December 8, 2022 • 35 mins
Jason Smith and Rich Ohrnberger react to Xander Bogaerts landing a spot on the Padres. Jason is glad his teams aren’t willing pay a load of cash on a gamble for expensive players and maybe it’s not so bad going the small market team route sometimes. The guys also discuss what does the future hold for Russell Wilson and the Broncos, react to the Celtics looking like the team to beat in the Eastern Conference and so much more!
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Rich Ordenburger in for
Mike Harmon tonight, and a great night for Rich to
be in because now the Padres have not one, not
to but three players with three hundred million dollar contracts.
And according to Rich, just give everybody the money. It
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doesn't matter whatever you pay, just give it to him.
It makes nobody, makes no difference. Could be four or
five runner billion, it doesn't matter. Give everybody what they want.
Give it everybody, give it away. I mean, it isn't
my money. Yeah. And you know what they always say, like,
especially the longer you live, they say, you can't take
it with you, you know. So I look at I
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look at what Peter Seidler has done. Honestly, build the
statue for Peter Stidler outside of Peco Park in San Diego,
because the reality is when you have an owner who's
committed and you can still complain about mistakes made and
overpaying this guy here and that guy there. Sure I
I get it. Like you know, misappropriation of funds is
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just as egregious as not spending the funds in the
first place. After all, this is big boy sports we're
talking about. But this guy at least is trying. I mean,
San Diego is a sports city, not unlike Cleveland. For
years and years down trodden without a world championship in
any of its sports. And then finally the prodigal son
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came home and Lebron James won a championship for his city,
and like three million people showed up to the parade.
It was absolutely ridiculous. San Diego was waiting for that moment.
But they haven't had They haven't had a real hope
until all of a sudden, Peter Sidler back in eighteen
opened the floodgates with the Hasmer deal, and and you know,
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he signed Manny Machado. In twenty nineteen one, he signed
a fourteen year, three hundred forty million dollar contract with
Fernando Tatis Jr. Who was supposed to be the face
of baseball until this very recent unfortunate p D suspension.
But I mean, they're making a commitment to this team.
They re signed Joe musgro for a hundred million dollars.
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And now the news comes out tonight, the breaking news
that Brian Finley brings to the show two hundred eighty
million dollars eleven year contract to Xander Bogart's and it
officially means the Padres have their shortstop of the future. Yeah,
and and just you know, now, all the other guys,
you gotta give them more Bundy because they feel under
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appreciate it. All these guys with not big Hey, you
gotta call him in it. Listen, we gotta give you
some more cash. I'm sorry, you gotta get some more
money from us because we gotta do this, tam. Now, look,
here's a big thing we got in this a little
bit of a few minutes ago, is that Fernano Tutis Jr.
Is a really was a big part of this team.
And you know, I know it's gonna be very difficult,
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but if the Padres were presented with a solution where
you can say, okay, we can make for Nano Tutis
junior work in the outfield, or we could trade him.
I guarantee you the Padres would say where can we
ship him? What can we do to get out from
this contract? Because you got a kid that didn't show
any maturity and you gave him a lot of money.
You should have learned from that contract. Boy, we paid
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a guy we didn't have to. Uh now that that
could really come back to buy us for like the
next twelve years. Um, if they could, they would get
rid of him. But I don't know that there's anybody
that would take on his contract knowing that he's got
issues off the field and issues staying on the field.
Maybe move to the outfield is gonna help and he's
gonna commit less errors and he'll be healthier than he
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would be playing short stuff. But this is the big
thing now, Yeah, you signed your shortstop in Bogart's and
now it's hey to tease is an out there. I
would like to think you'd have that conversation with him
before because as much as you have the leverage in
the situation with him, and that you need to come
back and show us that you are committed to this team. Uh,
you're still making out that check for three and a
million dollars for each of the next you know, twelve years.
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So as much as you think, well we got the
we have the moral hammer in this situation, he's a
guy getting paid so that this could still get sticky
and and I I would hope the Padres would have
a solution because this Tatiase Junior thing that this is
that sign that I told you Rich, this is why
I can't give contracts like this. They can't give ten, nine, eight,
eleven year contracts because they just don't work out and
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they're awful at the end. And already the t Tease
contract is awful and you're a year and a half
into it. Yeah, yeah, listen, I don't disagree with that.
It has been awful. You know when you think about
the fact that he's barely stayed on the field, he's
barely been healthy, and then all of a sudden he's
tarnished what was overall a really really happy story about
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a young guy out of the Dominican who the Padres
traded for and he was an unknown quantity at the time,
but was had star potential written all over him, and
that's the reason why they signed him. So early he
still had arbitration years. They didn't have to do what
they did, but they wanted to get ahead of all
of that stuff and um and and good for them,
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you know, because I think fortune favors the bold. I
think we see many times when when you know a
team comes together, the finishing touches need to be put
in place, right. You know, you you draft, well, you
develop players, everybody uh comes up through the system, and
then you just add a couple of free agents around
it and then boom you have a winning formula. Well,
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recently we've seen a lot of teams go the route
of the Padres, look at the Los Angeles Rams, different sport.
But we were talking about this earlier to Jason, like
the fact that you can buy a chance mpionship. They
went out and said, well, screw these draft picks. Why
are we bothering developing players. We're gonna go out and
buy players with draft picks at the NFL level who
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we know can play. So they brought in edge rushers
and cornerbacks, and they brought in a quarterback and and
they they they got lucky, or or you could say
they skillfully drafted a couple of players in lower rounds
and it all worked out for them. They brought in
some free agents during the Super Bowl run, like Von Miller.
They traded for Odell Beckham Jr. You know, they made
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some moves uh and and got better towards the end
of their season. That's what the Padres are aiming to do.
This is a very new formula, or I should say
it's sort of the the popular formula in sports to
get great real quick. And you can't argue the Padres
with boguards at shortstop have secured their infield and they're
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spent showing Rich Jordan Burger and from Mike Harmon. Now look,
and this gets into the Judge story too, right because
it completely surprised me. Uh, you know, this is one
that I got wrong. All the all the evidence pointed
to him leaving for the Giants. He was mad at
the Giant in the Yankee front office. He was mad
at them all year. He was mad at them for
leaking the contract offer in March. He was mad at
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Randy Levine for saying, Hey, Aaron's gotta make a decision
at the end of the year. He was mad at
the Yankees in a Time magazine interview he just did
for Athlete of the Year, saying he felt the front
office tried to turn the team, turned the fans against him,
and he still winds up signing. I don't get it.
I don't get how he was so mad at the
front office and didn't talk about staying all year long
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and then just decides, oh, I'm going to stay, but
this is what would make me a great GM and
and and players might not like me, but they might
be a little bit because I say, listen, I'll pay
you whatever you want, right, I'll pay you, you know,
for the for two, three, four years, depending on your age.
I'll give you tons of money. Man. If you're a
superstar and the highest d A a V that a
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player has is forty million, and I think you're better
than that, I'll give you forty five million. A year.
I'll give you forty eight million a year, but I'm
gonna do it for two or three years, because eventually
it's going to come to a to a head where, boy,
this is gonna be a log jam for me and
my organization can be stuck for five years if we're
paying you when we're not competitive, or you are no
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longer the player you are, or you're not or you're injured,
and I still have to pay you that money, because
that's a that's a big deal. I need flexibility, and
teams need flexibility to get out of deals. And that's
why none of these ten eleven year deals wind wind
up working out the long one. They always do three
four years. Great, we're gonna we're gonna do it now,
but eventually you're gonna hey, because all those contracts are guaranteed.
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And so for Aaron Judge, I would have never given
him nine years and three hundred sixty million dollars. A
guy's thirty years old, he's a bigger guy. You just
had the best of him. And now, okay, now we're
gonna give you three and sixty million dollars um, Okay
for the next three or four years. This is gonna
be a good deal, but Judge eventually is going to
slow down. You gotta hope he stays healthy, but maybe
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he doesn't, and maybe your team is not good and
maybe something happens and you want to get out of
this deal and you can't do it. There's so many
things that can go wrong with a ten, not eight, nine, ten,
eleven year contract. I'm happy when my team doesn't give
it out. Look at me as a Mets fan. I
love Francisco Lindoor. Am I excited we're paying it until
he's thirty nine years old? No, of course not. And
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we're giving him almost thirty million dollars a year till
he's thirty nine. But it was the price of getting him.
And I'm like, Okay, the next few years are gonna
be good, but eventually it's gonna be really difficult. It happens,
and and the thing is is that you you go
in so much for the next two or three years,
and whether you win or not, that next six or
seven years after that can be just a wasteland. I mean,
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look look at the Tigers. Just for just one team,
just one team that signed a guy to a ton
of money. This is a team that was a World
Series team a couple of times. And Miguel Cabrera was
the best hitter in baseball. And let's give him like
a basically a lifetime contract of thirty million dollars a year.
What happened right away? He stopped hitting, stops staying healthy.
But what can you do. You gotta play him when
he's healthy and he's not hitting the ball, he's not
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the player he was, and when he's in the lineup.
So now not only are you paying a guy a
lot of money, you also are playing a guy that's
not and that's not the player he used to be.
There's so many things that can go wrong over that
long period of time, and that's why these deals, I'm like,
I just can't do it. And I always say, I'm
glad it's not my money and my money, I mean,
it's not my team paying, because you know it's not
my money someone else paying. I'm just glad it's not
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my man being I'm glad it's not my team's money.
I love the gamble for Justin Verlander. Two years and
eighty six million, boy, that's a lot of money. But
you know what, in two years it doesn't work out.
Guess what, We're taking that money and going someplace else.
We're not locked into paying justin Verlin until he's forty
eight years old. I get it. I get it, But
but those that's the nature of those contracts and the
reality of these contracts where a guy is hovering near
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thirty right, whether he's thirty years old, you're gonna pay
him ten years, and you're gonna pay him if he's
an All Star and he's a consistent player and he's
one championships, you're gonna pay him something north of two
hundred million dollars a year these days in Major League Baseball,
that is just the going rate. It's sort of like
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walking into a car dealership and saying, hey, listen, I
know you guys are selling the brand new UH Mercedes
C classes, but I want to play use cars prices
for that. You understand. They're going to say, okay, sir,
please please kindly leave. No, no, no, no, no, listen,
I don't think you heard me. I'm going I want
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to buy this new car for a used car price.
Do we have a deal, And they're gonna say, security,
please escort this crazy person, and you're gonna have to
leave the car lot and and you're not gonna have
a that's what that's what the going rate is. So
if you want to drive away in something fancy, you know,
if you want to drive away and something luxury, you're
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gonna go ahead, and I have to pay for it. Now,
if you want to a used luxury vehicle, a Verlander
is a really nice choice. And you know what, you
could have some really good times in that car. And
I'm not saying you won't. But but when we're talking
about a Xander Bogart's or you know, the potential reality
of Fernando Tatis Jr. Or the Manny Machado deal when
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they signed it back in you know, or or any
of these deals. Trade Turner just signing the contract he
signed with the Phillies, Bryce Harper before him with the Phillies,
Aaron Judge moments ago, we were talking about that contract
with the Yankees. All these contracts, you're just paying what
market prices. And yeah, you're gonna lose on the back
end of those contracts, but so is every other owner
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in baseball. It's the cost of doing business with the
big boys in the big leagues. Yeah, I would still
contend I'd give people a lot, and every two years,
I'd reinvent myself. I'd be like, I'd be like a fashionista. Hey, no,
I'm not wearing the burl lap and leather, and I'm
not wearing the pajama pants and the mc hammer pants.
Now I wore those two years ago. Now now I'm
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into thin tight leather pants. Nope. Now I'm out of
leather pants, and I'm into parachute pants. Nope. Now now
I'm in the blue jeans. Now. Every couple of years,
I reinvent myself and I stay with the times where
it would work for me. I mean, you're in the
same pair of pants now for like eleven years, Rich
And eventually those pair of pants, I mean, you can't
wear pants like that every day. He can't do it, man, Yeah,
eventually I'm knocked the button off the front of those
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things because the holidays, Buddy, I can't push away the
pumpkin pie. It's just not in the Oh. Yeah, No,
I understand what you're saying, and I the reality is
I agree with you. I really do. Like if if
I could be a general manager and get away with
all the things you were just talking about, it makes sense.
But the but But if you're gonna do that in actuality,
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you know who you become. You become the Tampa Bay Rays.
You become a team that never holds onto any of
their stars, never signs a big free agency contract. They
develop stars and then they ship them off before they
have to pay them. And they're always good, they're always
in playoff contention, and maybe they'll even make a deep
run here or there. But you never really develop the
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fan base around the team because nobody can buy the
jerseys because you never know if that player is gonna
be sticking around long enough. Whereas you know the Yankees,
the Dodgers, the Phillies, the Red Sox, the Padres now
all of a sudden, the Astros for years here like
you can you can count on certain stars being there
for a while because they've made long term commitments. Be
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Big Night Major League Baseball. We saw as Andrew Bogart's
signed with the Padres, what's next for Carlos Correa. Big
Night in the NBA, as the Celtics decided to put
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a stamp on the conversation of who's the best team
in the league right now because even though we're only
a third of the way through the season, rich Um,
it's it may not even be close with anybody else
in the Celtics right now. They just go into Phoenix
and they were winning to four at the end of
the third quarter, and they just blow the doors off
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a team that up until tonight was the number one
team in the Western Conference. The Celtics just found a way,
uh and and they're kind of a different team from
last year. They're not quite as good defensively as they were,
but offensively they have really picked it up. And right now,
I mean there's nobody even close to them. I mean
it's every night it's we're going into a city, we're
winning by double digits, and once every seven games will
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take an l and a close one. And that's kind
of been their mode for the past few weeks. It's
really really impressive. Maybe Emaudoka wasn't that great a coach.
I mean all this, you know that maybe wasn't that
great a coach, because look what they're doing without him. Yeah,
I I I don't buy into the coach being all
that important outside of playing armchair psychologists for these players,
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you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, occasionally in
terms of the actual scheme and the xs and ohs
and timeouts called that appropriate times, and you know, game
flow from that standpoint and inbound plays like yeah, maybe
somebody can see something and draw something up from the
sideline that's really gonna impact how the game has played.
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But look, players win championships, especially in the NBA. So
was he an impactful coach? Yeah, I mean, no doubt.
And he took a young team, UH with a lot
of potential for future growth UH to the the final
matchup of the season. But but again, the reality is
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it's the players who win these games. So it doesn't
matter if it's Emay or anybody. The Celtics are gonna
be great and they're they're continuing on this war path
because they have potential to be great for a long time.
Note to self, Rich Ornberger says Bill Belichick not a
great head coach specifically said, I didn't hear that. This
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is that Peyton Manning David Beckham commercial. You said soccer. No,
I didn't, Yes, you did, You said soccer. Uh, you
know what, the the NBA, there's a definite there's definitely
a a different emphasis on what's important, right because in
the NBA, it's about, okay, yes, continue to develop players,
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you know, make sure you have guys or you have
guys on your staff that develop them. They fit in
the system with what you're doing. But a lot of
it on great teams is okay, let's not get in
somebody's way, right, Like that's what you know. Look, not
not to compare it, but like you know, I've been
a youth coach for a long time and there's certain
players that I coach where I just go, Okay, you're
someone I just don't want to get you. I don't
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want to screw you up too much. I'm gonna give
you a little bit here and there, but you know
if I get too involved with you, which it's just
gonna screw you. You're really good at at what you
do and just want to keep that going. And you
look at the Celtics, they were already really good, and
now how do you manage the egos? How do you
motivate them to being able to play the best they
can every single night? And that's the biggest thing, you know,
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that's you look for in an in In an NBA
head coach, it's not a lot like when you look
at an NFL coach. It's Okay, what kind of scheme
do they have? Are they scheme over player? Do they
identify talent well? How well do they draft when they
have input on the draft? It's all of these things
for the NBA head coaches. Okay, do we have a
guy that's gonna walk into the locker room that has
cache with the players? Right? Is he gonna get a
buy into what he wants to teach them? Great? Are
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they in a position to succeed like is he? Is
he have a roster that they can win games going
out there because they're gonna out talent a lot of teams. Yes, Okay.
Can he continue to get them to play for each
other and not lose focus over the course of the season. Yeah,
So that's that's some of the big stuff going on
in the NBA and and Missoula right now. Is pushing
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all those right buttons. They come out motivated from the
NBA Finals after losing when they potentially could have won,
and they're continuing to develop offensively. The young players are
getting better, and here they are right now, and that's
let's just make sure we keep this on the track.
Let's not get derailed by any reason. Let's not worry
about anybody if someone isn't playing as well because something's
going on. Now, Let's keep this thing on the track
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and keep it going, because that's really, you know, into
into your point about what's the most important thing for
NBA head coaches going forward. They're coaching good teams. Yeah, well, listen,
I mean Joe Massoula, I give him credit. He's having
a successful start to his three campaign with the Boston Celtics. However,
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I mean, let's just put in other names, right, Tyron
Lou or Darvin Ham or Jason Kid or Nick Nurse, Like,
how much different would the Celtics look? My answer is
not much different. I just really don't think there would
be that big of a difference now unless it's an
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unmitigated train wreck. Like it becomes very clear very early
that this coach does not get along with the locker room.
The locker room doesn't trust him. And I think he
used a word there that's really important. You're a smart guy,
you watch basketball, you understand how important cash a is
especially in an NBA locker room. These guys need to
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respect you. They need to respect you, otherwise they will
run you out of the gym. And if they don't
have your respect, if if you're not someone they trust,
who they can talk to, who they go to for advice,
you are not going to last. Because not only do
these players have to get along with each other at
thirty thousand feet in the tube, they also got to
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get along with the assistant coaches and the head coach.
And if they don't, then that's the rub, that's where
things start to fall apart. So right now, missoul is
doing a great job with Boston, and I'm not I'm
not trying to take necessarily credit away from him. I'm
just trying to give credit where I feel it's appropriate
to the players on the court who are actually beating
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the doors off of the Sun's in this game tonight,
because I didn't see Missoula make a single free throw.
No he didn't. No, you're right, no, And I get it,
And I get that you're thinking, you know, when you said, hey,
getting along at thirty thousand feet on picturing Jayson Tatum
and Jalen Brown, you know, doing high knees like Russell
Wilson all the way. I just do hig knees up
and down. Everybody knows that's a winning strategy to just
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make your teammates feel comfortable and and not make them,
you know, you know, cringe and frown as you walk by. Yes,
Twitter and out about a fresca. Rich at Ornberger, The
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to completely stop. So when you come to a rail
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crossing stop because trains well they can't. Uh. Big stuff
out of the NBA. And we talked a little bit
out Russell Wilson uh an hour ago and to get
into him and Tom Brady here a little bit because
you know, Russell Wilson is someone who as we see
his future, like we we keep lumping Russell Wilson with
Brady and Rogers of hey, what's their future gonna be
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like for next year? Brady is up in the air.
Maybe he teams up with Sean Payton. Maybe this is
it for him, because if he doesn't show that he's
back to being Tom Brady the next few weeks, he
may not have any offers coming his way. Aaron Rodgers
gonna be about money and and what the Packers decided
to do with Jordan's love. But Russell Wilson, and I
know you're hot on this is that I don't see
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the doom and gloom past this year for the Broncos.
I see doom and gloom this year because this is
an impossible situation for Denver to try to manage. Okay,
here comes Russell Wilson and he's gonna be the savior
and now here's a first time head coach and we're
gonna try to make it all work at once. Oh yeah,
I don't know what. It starts out rough. They start
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out losing the game in Seattle, and right away you
question Nathaniel Hacket and his decision making, and it just
never got off, and that just never got better than that.
There was no honeymoon period. Every time you read something
about Russell Wilson, it's the players don't like him. He's
calling out audible from when he was with the Seattle Seahawks.
It's just no good. But I always thought this year
was gonna be rough. And after this year, when the
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Broncos say, Okay, what we need is a CEO head coach,
someone to come in either with a with a desire
to to form the offensive system around Wilson or to
have a hotshot O c with a system that works
with around what Wilson does. This is when things will
get better. Someone coming in that can take all the
problems and deal with them, and that the players in
the locker room can say, okay, coach hasn't I don't
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have to worry about coming in every day here in
question about Russell Wilson and and and him running high
knees and at thirty thousand feet. Pete Carroll was able
to deal with all that stuff in Seattle. They were
able to win. So I just look at next year
once they get a look at this year and what
didn't work. Okay, let's make sure we do the things
that will work next year. And with a new head
coach that has a little bit more experience and can
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and can be have that CEO type approach. I think
next year is gonna be great for the Denver Broncos. Yeah,
I you know what. I I have a hard time
believing that it's gonna be great unless Russell Wilson truly
turns a corner and turns it around. I mean, it's
all contingent on him, because they've leveraged their future for him.
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Next year, they don't have a first rounder either, because
of the draft picks that they had to send away
to Seattle in order to get Russell Wilson. So they're stuck.
And and it's not just for this season, it's for
next season two. Now, if there's some daylight towards the
end of this season, if if Russell Wilson can show that,
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you know, maybe this is something that he's I don't
even want to say a lost cause that's that's way
too harsh. But there's I don't believe that you could
possibly look at Russell Wilson and say, well, there's nothing
left in the tank. And I I see a competitor.
I see a guy who's struggling because he's unfamiliar with
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these players. Still, it still looks uncomfortable. The timing has
been off, This offensive line has been terrible. They haven't
opened much lanes in the running game or pass protecting
particularly well. And and this offense has been lackluster. And
that's the reason why you brought in Nathaniel Hackett in
the first place, was to fix this Denver offense, to
make it go better, to make it look I assume
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at least more like what Green Bay was doing with
Aaron Rodgers. It has not worked. It's a bad scheme
fit for Russell Wilson, that's clear. So the only way
it's all contingent on that one thing, that one aspect.
If Russell Wilson has a dynamite year next year, everybody's
gonna look at this story completely different. But it's but
it's really all hinging on his talent, his play, and
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what happens next year with the quarterback in Denver. All right, Now,
let's get to Brady for a minute, because you know
this situation with him and and and maybe he winds
up playing next year. He had the big comeback Monday
Night Football when they were down. He played awful for
fifty five minutes, but leads him down for two touchdowns.
I look at him as a guy that is playing
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for his NFL life over the course of the next
few weeks, because there was not a lot of interest
in him when he first became a free agent, and
you know, Tampa Bay was, hey, we're at the top
of the list. Oh, there's really nobody else. There's the
Chargers a little bit, and that's that's kind of it.
Oh okay, So now, if you're Brady coming off of this,
whether or not it's his fault or not, how much
you want to blame Brady for the Bucks not being
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able to score points. I I don't see there being
a real robust market for teams saying yes, we're we're
Tom Brady away from a championship and and they may
even less less interest at the end of this year
than there was two years ago. And if that's the case,
he's got to go right to the broadcast booth. And
so I'm I'm gonna take that thirty seven million dollar
a year from Fox and go because he he may
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not have a choice. It may not be if if
he wants to play next season, it might be. Well,
I don't really see a landscape where someone's gonna give
me a gig and I don't want to go somewhere
for a year and be someone that has to prove
it for a year to get another year for a deal.
I'm Tom Brady. I'm not gonna do that. What do
you see with Brady going on now the last few
weeks of what he's got the next few weeks. Well,
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what's so fascinating about this whole conversation is and you know,
and no offense to Fox, but I remember earlier in
the season they tweeted out something like Tom Brady is
going to be a part of our broadcast team the
week of the Super Bowl. I wanted to tweet back,
he may be in the super Bowl, he's meeting his
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division currently, or he was in second place at that time.
I was just like, what are we even talking about?
You know? And look, there was the reason why that
tweet went out, uh and and understandably so was because
there's excitement when you have the opportunity have arguably the
greatest player who's ever played the game on your broadcast team.
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You're gonna want to hear his insights. You'd assume automatically
that there's gonna be more interest in in your your
pregame show and you're put in your halftime in your
post with Tom Brady, they're breaking down the action because
he's seen it all, done it all a million times over.
His insight is that valuable that they're paying him? You know,
some absurd amount of money as a safety net after
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his career finishes with whichever team it's gonna be. Now,
in terms of Tom Brady the competitor, look, I had
three years with him in New England and I remember
one time, I'll tell you this story. I remember one
time I sat down at the lunch table and Tom's
sitting there next to me, and I just start picking
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his brain. And you know, I'm just like, man, you know,
what does it take? You know, because I'm a rookie,
I don't know anything. This guy has been in ten years,
he's won three Super Bowls, he's been to four. I'm like,
what does it take? And you know, He's given me
these amazing answers, and I'm asking him personal questions to
about his upbringing and and what led him to football.
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And I had a very odd, you know, up bringing
in sports. You know, I thought I was gonna play
lacrosse in college. You know, football came to me late,
and you know, we got to know each other a
little bit, and you know what I did. I walked
away from that conversation. I go to myself, jeez, you
know what, It's a really good thing that I had
that conversation with Tom because he's probably not going to
be doing this for very much longer. You know, I
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just I'm so glad. And it turns out I am
now eight years retired and he's still playing, still playing.
So I mean it's just completely missed on that one.
But like, you know, I'm just like, jeez, yeah, I
was like proud of myself. I'm like, I really really
pumped him for all the information on his way out
of the league. You know, just couldn't have called that one.
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But you know, part of the things that he shared
with me was he is so in love with this game,
like the reason, Like it's the reason for him. Like
there's people you whatever it is you wake up at
your family, your kids, your your your you know, your
your hobbies, your interests, you know, whatever it is that
gets you out of bed. And his his football. It
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is football, football, football, And I think until this dude
his arm is falling off his body, I think he's
gonna keep trying to throw the football and he's proving
that he still got it. I mean, that comeback victory
was ridiculous. It's it's he still can do it. It's
just a matter of can the Bucks pull it together
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in time now where he plays, I'll say this, I
think his time in Tampa Bay is done. I I
doubt if he'll come back for another year in Tampa.
So if he does play another year, could it be
in San Francisco? I mean they may be actively shopping
for a quarterback this offseason. Could it be in Las Vegas?
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Is there a possibility that Davante Adams would be cool
playing with Tom Brady if they traded Derek hard Always
somewhere else? Could it be back in New England? I
don't know, but it's sort of feels like the stories
over for Brady in Tampa Bay. Rich Ornberger wearing his
TV twelve recovery pajamas while he tells you about the
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tomorrow and you know a matchup that look great in
the beginning of the season. Ah, you know what, it
doesn't look terrible. Yes, it looks bad for the Rams
who are now going to finish out the season, and
maybe we see Baker Mayfield tomorrow night for a little bit.
But I'll tell you what, Rich, this is like. Isn't
this peak Raiders right, Like, just when everything looks like
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it's lost and they're gonna be the awe the look
at the Raiders they lose to the Colts and Jeff
Saturday's debut and McDaniels is gonna get fired. No, what
do the Raiders do? They beat three teams with pretty
decent defenses, teams they're fighting with to make the playoffs,
and now something of the Raiders are sitting around. Hey,
we're five and seven, we're scoring a lot of points.
We're pretty good. This is like peak Raiders. Whether it's
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Oakland or Vegas, it doesn't matter. This is what the
Raiders do. Yeah, they're raidering. As as I commonly refer
to it, it's a verb. Uh, it's something we see
every single season, regardless of the coach, regardless of the city.
This is uh, this very apropos and I I think
it's Uh. It's an interesting season for Josh McDaniels because
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he started out as the heel, even though they were
losing a lot of close games, and it felt like
this function was starting to take hold, right you know,
you start hearing that maybe some of their's in fighting
in the locker room and all this, well, winning cures everything,
and that's exactly what they're doing. It's what Josh McDaniels
was hoping to establish. Earlier in the season, I'm sure,
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but yeah, man, they got a chance at the postseason.
I mean, it's ridiculous to say, but the Raiders could
be a playoff team. And I'm telling you, I'm gonna
say they keep the good times rolling tomorrow. I'm gonna
say thirty one team Raiders. With the win. We do
see Baker Mayfield. He plays possibly the majority of the game.
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I think that maybe, you know, it's it's unknown when
he's going to play. Are they gonna, you know, let
him start the game? Is he going to come in
for the you know? But I think we've see him
for the majority of the game, and it's gonna be
an interesting storyline. But it's not gonna stop the Raiders
from their fourth win in a row and something it's
gonna be the Raiders can't make the playoffs. Get here
there are six and seven? Well, and they got there.
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What they got new it They could beat New England,
they can beat Pittsburgh. Suddenly, they can be over five hundred.
I think the Raiders keep the good times rolling tomorrow night.
I agree with you. I think it's gonna be probably
a lower scoring game than that, and I think it's
gonna be a close fight, like many of their games
have been this season. But I completely agree with you.
I I see the Raiders on a four game win streak,
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and I see all of us talking on Monday about
how hang on hold onto your horses. We have a
new dark horse out of the a f C. And
it is it is the horse that Josh Daniels rode
in on. And I I can't believe we're able to
say this, because it really was looking bleak for a
while there. But yeah, turn around mid season and here
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we are. I think we're gonna be talking to Monday.
How you thought you were gonna play longer than Tom Brady. Yeah,
I think that's the best conversation that that. That also
did happen, didn't it? That did happen? Good Lord, Twitter
and out about Afresca, Rich at Ornberger, Rich, great stuff man,
tons of fun, Go get some sleep, good luck tomorrow morning,
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Rich Ordenburger in for
Mike Harmon tonight, and a great night for Rich to
be in because now the Padres have not one, not
to but three players with three hundred million dollar contracts.
And according to Rich, just give everybody the money. It
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doesn't matter whatever you pay, just give it to him.
It makes nobody, makes no difference. Could be four or
five runner billion, it doesn't matter. Give everybody what they want.
Give it everybody, give it away. I mean, it isn't
my money. Yeah. And you know what they always say, like,
especially the longer you live, they say, you can't take
it with you, you know. So I look at I
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look at what Peter Seidler has done. Honestly, build the
statue for Peter Stidler outside of Peco Park in San Diego,
because the reality is when you have an owner who's
committed and you can still complain about mistakes made and
overpaying this guy here and that guy there. Sure I
I get it. Like you know, misappropriation of funds is
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just as egregious as not spending the funds in the
first place. After all, this is big boy sports we're
talking about. But this guy at least is trying. I mean,
San Diego is a sports city, not unlike Cleveland. For
years and years down trodden without a world championship in
any of its sports. And then finally the prodigal son
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came home and Lebron James won a championship for his city,
and like three million people showed up to the parade.
It was absolutely ridiculous. San Diego was waiting for that moment.
But they haven't had They haven't had a real hope
until all of a sudden, Peter Sidler back in eighteen
opened the floodgates with the Hasmer deal, and and you know,
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he signed Manny Machado. In twenty nineteen one, he signed
a fourteen year, three hundred forty million dollar contract with
Fernando Tatis Jr. Who was supposed to be the face
of baseball until this very recent unfortunate p D suspension.
But I mean, they're making a commitment to this team.
They re signed Joe musgro for a hundred million dollars.
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And now the news comes out tonight, the breaking news
that Brian Finley brings to the show two hundred eighty
million dollars eleven year contract to Xander Bogart's and it
officially means the Padres have their shortstop of the future. Yeah,
and and just you know, now, all the other guys,
you gotta give them more Bundy because they feel under
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appreciate it. All these guys with not big Hey, you
gotta call him in it. Listen, we gotta give you
some more cash. I'm sorry, you gotta get some more
money from us because we gotta do this, tam. Now, look,
here's a big thing we got in this a little
bit of a few minutes ago, is that Fernano Tutis Jr.
Is a really was a big part of this team.
And you know, I know it's gonna be very difficult,
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but if the Padres were presented with a solution where
you can say, okay, we can make for Nano Tutis
junior work in the outfield, or we could trade him.
I guarantee you the Padres would say where can we
ship him? What can we do to get out from
this contract? Because you got a kid that didn't show
any maturity and you gave him a lot of money.
You should have learned from that contract. Boy, we paid
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a guy we didn't have to. Uh now that that
could really come back to buy us for like the
next twelve years. Um, if they could, they would get
rid of him. But I don't know that there's anybody
that would take on his contract knowing that he's got
issues off the field and issues staying on the field.
Maybe move to the outfield is gonna help and he's
gonna commit less errors and he'll be healthier than he
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would be playing short stuff. But this is the big
thing now, Yeah, you signed your shortstop in Bogart's and
now it's hey to tease is an out there. I
would like to think you'd have that conversation with him
before because as much as you have the leverage in
the situation with him, and that you need to come
back and show us that you are committed to this team. Uh,
you're still making out that check for three and a
million dollars for each of the next you know, twelve years.
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So as much as you think, well we got the
we have the moral hammer in this situation, he's a
guy getting paid so that this could still get sticky
and and I I would hope the Padres would have
a solution because this Tatiase Junior thing that this is
that sign that I told you Rich, this is why
I can't give contracts like this. They can't give ten, nine, eight,
eleven year contracts because they just don't work out and
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they're awful at the end. And already the t Tease
contract is awful and you're a year and a half
into it. Yeah, yeah, listen, I don't disagree with that.
It has been awful. You know when you think about
the fact that he's barely stayed on the field, he's
barely been healthy, and then all of a sudden he's
tarnished what was overall a really really happy story about
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a young guy out of the Dominican who the Padres
traded for and he was an unknown quantity at the time,
but was had star potential written all over him, and
that's the reason why they signed him. So early he
still had arbitration years. They didn't have to do what
they did, but they wanted to get ahead of all
of that stuff and um and and good for them,
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you know, because I think fortune favors the bold. I
think we see many times when when you know a
team comes together, the finishing touches need to be put
in place, right. You know, you you draft, well, you
develop players, everybody uh comes up through the system, and
then you just add a couple of free agents around
it and then boom you have a winning formula. Well,
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recently we've seen a lot of teams go the route
of the Padres, look at the Los Angeles Rams, different sport.
But we were talking about this earlier to Jason, like
the fact that you can buy a chance mpionship. They
went out and said, well, screw these draft picks. Why
are we bothering developing players. We're gonna go out and
buy players with draft picks at the NFL level who
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we know can play. So they brought in edge rushers
and cornerbacks, and they brought in a quarterback and and
they they they got lucky, or or you could say
they skillfully drafted a couple of players in lower rounds
and it all worked out for them. They brought in
some free agents during the Super Bowl run, like Von Miller.
They traded for Odell Beckham Jr. You know, they made
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some moves uh and and got better towards the end
of their season. That's what the Padres are aiming to do.
This is a very new formula, or I should say
it's sort of the the popular formula in sports to
get great real quick. And you can't argue the Padres
with boguards at shortstop have secured their infield and they're
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spent showing Rich Jordan Burger and from Mike Harmon. Now look,
and this gets into the Judge story too, right because
it completely surprised me. Uh, you know, this is one
that I got wrong. All the all the evidence pointed
to him leaving for the Giants. He was mad at
the Giant in the Yankee front office. He was mad
at them all year. He was mad at them for
leaking the contract offer in March. He was mad at
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Randy Levine for saying, Hey, Aaron's gotta make a decision
at the end of the year. He was mad at
the Yankees in a Time magazine interview he just did
for Athlete of the Year, saying he felt the front
office tried to turn the team, turned the fans against him,
and he still winds up signing. I don't get it.
I don't get how he was so mad at the
front office and didn't talk about staying all year long
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and then just decides, oh, I'm going to stay, but
this is what would make me a great GM and
and and players might not like me, but they might
be a little bit because I say, listen, I'll pay
you whatever you want, right, I'll pay you, you know,
for the for two, three, four years, depending on your age.
I'll give you tons of money. Man. If you're a
superstar and the highest d A a V that a
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player has is forty million, and I think you're better
than that, I'll give you forty five million. A year.
I'll give you forty eight million a year, but I'm
gonna do it for two or three years, because eventually
it's going to come to a to a head where, boy,
this is gonna be a log jam for me and
my organization can be stuck for five years if we're
paying you when we're not competitive, or you are no
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longer the player you are, or you're not or you're injured,
and I still have to pay you that money, because
that's a that's a big deal. I need flexibility, and
teams need flexibility to get out of deals. And that's
why none of these ten eleven year deals wind wind
up working out the long one. They always do three
four years. Great, we're gonna we're gonna do it now,
but eventually you're gonna hey, because all those contracts are guaranteed.
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And so for Aaron Judge, I would have never given
him nine years and three hundred sixty million dollars. A
guy's thirty years old, he's a bigger guy. You just
had the best of him. And now, okay, now we're
gonna give you three and sixty million dollars um, Okay
for the next three or four years. This is gonna
be a good deal, but Judge eventually is going to
slow down. You gotta hope he stays healthy, but maybe
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he doesn't, and maybe your team is not good and
maybe something happens and you want to get out of
this deal and you can't do it. There's so many
things that can go wrong with a ten, not eight, nine, ten,
eleven year contract. I'm happy when my team doesn't give
it out. Look at me as a Mets fan. I
love Francisco Lindoor. Am I excited we're paying it until
he's thirty nine years old? No, of course not. And
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we're giving him almost thirty million dollars a year till
he's thirty nine. But it was the price of getting him.
And I'm like, Okay, the next few years are gonna
be good, but eventually it's gonna be really difficult. It happens,
and and the thing is is that you you go
in so much for the next two or three years,
and whether you win or not, that next six or
seven years after that can be just a wasteland. I mean,
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look look at the Tigers. Just for just one team,
just one team that signed a guy to a ton
of money. This is a team that was a World
Series team a couple of times. And Miguel Cabrera was
the best hitter in baseball. And let's give him like
a basically a lifetime contract of thirty million dollars a year.
What happened right away? He stopped hitting, stops staying healthy.
But what can you do. You gotta play him when
he's healthy and he's not hitting the ball, he's not
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the player he was, and when he's in the lineup.
So now not only are you paying a guy a
lot of money, you also are playing a guy that's
not and that's not the player he used to be.
There's so many things that can go wrong over that
long period of time, and that's why these deals, I'm like,
I just can't do it. And I always say, I'm
glad it's not my money and my money, I mean,
it's not my team paying, because you know it's not
my money someone else paying. I'm just glad it's not
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my man being I'm glad it's not my team's money.
I love the gamble for Justin Verlander. Two years and
eighty six million, boy, that's a lot of money. But
you know what, in two years it doesn't work out.
Guess what, We're taking that money and going someplace else.
We're not locked into paying justin Verlin until he's forty
eight years old. I get it. I get it, But
but those that's the nature of those contracts and the
reality of these contracts where a guy is hovering near
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thirty right, whether he's thirty years old, you're gonna pay
him ten years, and you're gonna pay him if he's
an All Star and he's a consistent player and he's
one championships, you're gonna pay him something north of two
hundred million dollars a year these days in Major League Baseball,
that is just the going rate. It's sort of like
(11:34):
walking into a car dealership and saying, hey, listen, I
know you guys are selling the brand new UH Mercedes
C classes, but I want to play use cars prices
for that. You understand. They're going to say, okay, sir,
please please kindly leave. No, no, no, no, no, listen,
I don't think you heard me. I'm going I want
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to buy this new car for a used car price.
Do we have a deal, And they're gonna say, security,
please escort this crazy person, and you're gonna have to
leave the car lot and and you're not gonna have
a that's what that's what the going rate is. So
if you want to drive away in something fancy, you know,
if you want to drive away and something luxury, you're
(12:18):
gonna go ahead, and I have to pay for it. Now,
if you want to a used luxury vehicle, a Verlander
is a really nice choice. And you know what, you
could have some really good times in that car. And
I'm not saying you won't. But but when we're talking
about a Xander Bogart's or you know, the potential reality
of Fernando Tatis Jr. Or the Manny Machado deal when
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they signed it back in you know, or or any
of these deals. Trade Turner just signing the contract he
signed with the Phillies, Bryce Harper before him with the Phillies,
Aaron Judge moments ago, we were talking about that contract
with the Yankees. All these contracts, you're just paying what
market prices. And yeah, you're gonna lose on the back
end of those contracts, but so is every other owner
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in baseball. It's the cost of doing business with the
big boys in the big leagues. Yeah, I would still
contend I'd give people a lot, and every two years,
I'd reinvent myself. I'd be like, I'd be like a fashionista. Hey, no,
I'm not wearing the burl lap and leather, and I'm
not wearing the pajama pants and the mc hammer pants.
Now I wore those two years ago. Now now I'm
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into thin tight leather pants. Nope. Now I'm out of
leather pants, and I'm into parachute pants. Nope. Now now
I'm in the blue jeans. Now. Every couple of years,
I reinvent myself and I stay with the times where
it would work for me. I mean, you're in the
same pair of pants now for like eleven years, Rich
And eventually those pair of pants, I mean, you can't
wear pants like that every day. He can't do it, man, Yeah,
eventually I'm knocked the button off the front of those
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things because the holidays, Buddy, I can't push away the
pumpkin pie. It's just not in the Oh. Yeah, No,
I understand what you're saying, and I the reality is
I agree with you. I really do. Like if if
I could be a general manager and get away with
all the things you were just talking about, it makes sense.
But the but But if you're gonna do that in actuality,
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you know who you become. You become the Tampa Bay Rays.
You become a team that never holds onto any of
their stars, never signs a big free agency contract. They
develop stars and then they ship them off before they
have to pay them. And they're always good, they're always
in playoff contention, and maybe they'll even make a deep
run here or there. But you never really develop the
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fan base around the team because nobody can buy the
jerseys because you never know if that player is gonna
be sticking around long enough. Whereas you know the Yankees,
the Dodgers, the Phillies, the Red Sox, the Padres now
all of a sudden, the Astros for years here like
you can you can count on certain stars being there
for a while because they've made long term commitments. Be
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Big Night Major League Baseball. We saw as Andrew Bogart's
signed with the Padres, what's next for Carlos Correa. Big
Night in the NBA, as the Celtics decided to put
(15:07):
a stamp on the conversation of who's the best team
in the league right now because even though we're only
a third of the way through the season, rich Um,
it's it may not even be close with anybody else
in the Celtics right now. They just go into Phoenix
and they were winning to four at the end of
the third quarter, and they just blow the doors off
(15:27):
a team that up until tonight was the number one
team in the Western Conference. The Celtics just found a way,
uh and and they're kind of a different team from
last year. They're not quite as good defensively as they were,
but offensively they have really picked it up. And right now,
I mean there's nobody even close to them. I mean
it's every night it's we're going into a city, we're
winning by double digits, and once every seven games will
(15:50):
take an l and a close one. And that's kind
of been their mode for the past few weeks. It's
really really impressive. Maybe Emaudoka wasn't that great a coach.
I mean all this, you know that maybe wasn't that
great a coach, because look what they're doing without him. Yeah,
I I I don't buy into the coach being all
that important outside of playing armchair psychologists for these players,
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you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, occasionally in
terms of the actual scheme and the xs and ohs
and timeouts called that appropriate times, and you know, game
flow from that standpoint and inbound plays like yeah, maybe
somebody can see something and draw something up from the
sideline that's really gonna impact how the game has played.
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But look, players win championships, especially in the NBA. So
was he an impactful coach? Yeah, I mean, no doubt.
And he took a young team, UH with a lot
of potential for future growth UH to the the final
matchup of the season. But but again, the reality is
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it's the players who win these games. So it doesn't
matter if it's Emay or anybody. The Celtics are gonna
be great and they're they're continuing on this war path
because they have potential to be great for a long time.
Note to self, Rich Ornberger says Bill Belichick not a
great head coach specifically said, I didn't hear that. This
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is that Peyton Manning David Beckham commercial. You said soccer. No,
I didn't, Yes, you did, You said soccer. Uh, you
know what, the the NBA, there's a definite there's definitely
a a different emphasis on what's important, right because in
the NBA, it's about, okay, yes, continue to develop players,
(17:39):
you know, make sure you have guys or you have
guys on your staff that develop them. They fit in
the system with what you're doing. But a lot of
it on great teams is okay, let's not get in
somebody's way, right, Like that's what you know. Look, not
not to compare it, but like you know, I've been
a youth coach for a long time and there's certain
players that I coach where I just go, Okay, you're
someone I just don't want to get you. I don't
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want to screw you up too much. I'm gonna give
you a little bit here and there, but you know
if I get too involved with you, which it's just
gonna screw you. You're really good at at what you
do and just want to keep that going. And you
look at the Celtics, they were already really good, and
now how do you manage the egos? How do you
motivate them to being able to play the best they
can every single night? And that's the biggest thing, you know,
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that's you look for in an in In an NBA
head coach, it's not a lot like when you look
at an NFL coach. It's Okay, what kind of scheme
do they have? Are they scheme over player? Do they
identify talent well? How well do they draft when they
have input on the draft? It's all of these things
for the NBA head coaches. Okay, do we have a
guy that's gonna walk into the locker room that has
cache with the players? Right? Is he gonna get a
buy into what he wants to teach them? Great? Are
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they in a position to succeed like is he? Is
he have a roster that they can win games going
out there because they're gonna out talent a lot of teams. Yes, Okay.
Can he continue to get them to play for each
other and not lose focus over the course of the season. Yeah,
So that's that's some of the big stuff going on
in the NBA and and Missoula right now. Is pushing
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all those right buttons. They come out motivated from the
NBA Finals after losing when they potentially could have won,
and they're continuing to develop offensively. The young players are
getting better, and here they are right now, and that's
let's just make sure we keep this on the track.
Let's not get derailed by any reason. Let's not worry
about anybody if someone isn't playing as well because something's
going on. Now, Let's keep this thing on the track
(19:26):
and keep it going, because that's really, you know, into
into your point about what's the most important thing for
NBA head coaches going forward. They're coaching good teams. Yeah, well, listen,
I mean Joe Massoula, I give him credit. He's having
a successful start to his three campaign with the Boston Celtics. However,
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I mean, let's just put in other names, right, Tyron
Lou or Darvin Ham or Jason Kid or Nick Nurse, Like,
how much different would the Celtics look? My answer is
not much different. I just really don't think there would
be that big of a difference now unless it's an
(20:07):
unmitigated train wreck. Like it becomes very clear very early
that this coach does not get along with the locker room.
The locker room doesn't trust him. And I think he
used a word there that's really important. You're a smart guy,
you watch basketball, you understand how important cash a is
especially in an NBA locker room. These guys need to
(20:27):
respect you. They need to respect you, otherwise they will
run you out of the gym. And if they don't
have your respect, if if you're not someone they trust,
who they can talk to, who they go to for advice,
you are not going to last. Because not only do
these players have to get along with each other at
thirty thousand feet in the tube, they also got to
(20:47):
get along with the assistant coaches and the head coach.
And if they don't, then that's the rub, that's where
things start to fall apart. So right now, missoul is
doing a great job with Boston, and I'm not I'm
not trying to take necessarily credit away from him. I'm
just trying to give credit where I feel it's appropriate
to the players on the court who are actually beating
(21:10):
the doors off of the Sun's in this game tonight,
because I didn't see Missoula make a single free throw.
No he didn't. No, you're right, no, And I get it,
And I get that you're thinking, you know, when you said, hey,
getting along at thirty thousand feet on picturing Jayson Tatum
and Jalen Brown, you know, doing high knees like Russell
Wilson all the way. I just do hig knees up
and down. Everybody knows that's a winning strategy to just
(21:33):
make your teammates feel comfortable and and not make them,
you know, you know, cringe and frown as you walk by. Yes,
Twitter and out about a fresca. Rich at Ornberger, The
Jason Smith Show, richieo in for harm and any first
responder will tell you never try to beat a train
after breaking. It could take a mile for a train
to completely stop. So when you come to a rail
(21:54):
crossing stop because trains well they can't. Uh. Big stuff
out of the NBA. And we talked a little bit
out Russell Wilson uh an hour ago and to get
into him and Tom Brady here a little bit because
you know, Russell Wilson is someone who as we see
his future, like we we keep lumping Russell Wilson with
Brady and Rogers of hey, what's their future gonna be
(22:15):
like for next year? Brady is up in the air.
Maybe he teams up with Sean Payton. Maybe this is
it for him, because if he doesn't show that he's
back to being Tom Brady the next few weeks, he
may not have any offers coming his way. Aaron Rodgers
gonna be about money and and what the Packers decided
to do with Jordan's love. But Russell Wilson, and I
know you're hot on this is that I don't see
(22:36):
the doom and gloom past this year for the Broncos.
I see doom and gloom this year because this is
an impossible situation for Denver to try to manage. Okay,
here comes Russell Wilson and he's gonna be the savior
and now here's a first time head coach and we're
gonna try to make it all work at once. Oh yeah,
I don't know what. It starts out rough. They start
(22:58):
out losing the game in Seattle, and right away you
question Nathaniel Hacket and his decision making, and it just
never got off, and that just never got better than that.
There was no honeymoon period. Every time you read something
about Russell Wilson, it's the players don't like him. He's
calling out audible from when he was with the Seattle Seahawks.
It's just no good. But I always thought this year
was gonna be rough. And after this year, when the
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Broncos say, Okay, what we need is a CEO head coach,
someone to come in either with a with a desire
to to form the offensive system around Wilson or to
have a hotshot O c with a system that works
with around what Wilson does. This is when things will
get better. Someone coming in that can take all the
problems and deal with them, and that the players in
the locker room can say, okay, coach hasn't I don't
(23:42):
have to worry about coming in every day here in
question about Russell Wilson and and and him running high
knees and at thirty thousand feet. Pete Carroll was able
to deal with all that stuff in Seattle. They were
able to win. So I just look at next year
once they get a look at this year and what
didn't work. Okay, let's make sure we do the things
that will work next year. And with a new head
coach that has a little bit more experience and can
(24:04):
and can be have that CEO type approach. I think
next year is gonna be great for the Denver Broncos. Yeah,
I you know what. I I have a hard time
believing that it's gonna be great unless Russell Wilson truly
turns a corner and turns it around. I mean, it's
all contingent on him, because they've leveraged their future for him.
(24:27):
Next year, they don't have a first rounder either, because
of the draft picks that they had to send away
to Seattle in order to get Russell Wilson. So they're stuck.
And and it's not just for this season, it's for
next season two. Now, if there's some daylight towards the
end of this season, if if Russell Wilson can show that,
(24:47):
you know, maybe this is something that he's I don't
even want to say a lost cause that's that's way
too harsh. But there's I don't believe that you could
possibly look at Russell Wilson and say, well, there's nothing
left in the tank. And I I see a competitor.
I see a guy who's struggling because he's unfamiliar with
(25:09):
these players. Still, it still looks uncomfortable. The timing has
been off, This offensive line has been terrible. They haven't
opened much lanes in the running game or pass protecting
particularly well. And and this offense has been lackluster. And
that's the reason why you brought in Nathaniel Hackett in
the first place, was to fix this Denver offense, to
make it go better, to make it look I assume
(25:32):
at least more like what Green Bay was doing with
Aaron Rodgers. It has not worked. It's a bad scheme
fit for Russell Wilson, that's clear. So the only way
it's all contingent on that one thing, that one aspect.
If Russell Wilson has a dynamite year next year, everybody's
gonna look at this story completely different. But it's but
it's really all hinging on his talent, his play, and
(25:55):
what happens next year with the quarterback in Denver. All right, Now,
let's get to Brady for a minute, because you know
this situation with him and and and maybe he winds
up playing next year. He had the big comeback Monday
Night Football when they were down. He played awful for
fifty five minutes, but leads him down for two touchdowns.
I look at him as a guy that is playing
(26:16):
for his NFL life over the course of the next
few weeks, because there was not a lot of interest
in him when he first became a free agent, and
you know, Tampa Bay was, hey, we're at the top
of the list. Oh, there's really nobody else. There's the
Chargers a little bit, and that's that's kind of it.
Oh okay, So now, if you're Brady coming off of this,
whether or not it's his fault or not, how much
you want to blame Brady for the Bucks not being
(26:36):
able to score points. I I don't see there being
a real robust market for teams saying yes, we're we're
Tom Brady away from a championship and and they may
even less less interest at the end of this year
than there was two years ago. And if that's the case,
he's got to go right to the broadcast booth. And
so I'm I'm gonna take that thirty seven million dollar
a year from Fox and go because he he may
(26:57):
not have a choice. It may not be if if
he wants to play next season, it might be. Well,
I don't really see a landscape where someone's gonna give
me a gig and I don't want to go somewhere
for a year and be someone that has to prove
it for a year to get another year for a deal.
I'm Tom Brady. I'm not gonna do that. What do
you see with Brady going on now the last few
weeks of what he's got the next few weeks. Well,
(27:18):
what's so fascinating about this whole conversation is and you know,
and no offense to Fox, but I remember earlier in
the season they tweeted out something like Tom Brady is
going to be a part of our broadcast team the
week of the Super Bowl. I wanted to tweet back,
he may be in the super Bowl, he's meeting his
(27:38):
division currently, or he was in second place at that time.
I was just like, what are we even talking about?
You know? And look, there was the reason why that
tweet went out, uh and and understandably so was because
there's excitement when you have the opportunity have arguably the
greatest player who's ever played the game on your broadcast team.
(27:59):
You're gonna want to hear his insights. You'd assume automatically
that there's gonna be more interest in in your your
pregame show and you're put in your halftime in your
post with Tom Brady, they're breaking down the action because
he's seen it all, done it all a million times over.
His insight is that valuable that they're paying him? You know,
some absurd amount of money as a safety net after
(28:21):
his career finishes with whichever team it's gonna be. Now,
in terms of Tom Brady the competitor, look, I had
three years with him in New England and I remember
one time, I'll tell you this story. I remember one
time I sat down at the lunch table and Tom's
sitting there next to me, and I just start picking
(28:41):
his brain. And you know, I'm just like, man, you know,
what does it take? You know, because I'm a rookie,
I don't know anything. This guy has been in ten years,
he's won three Super Bowls, he's been to four. I'm like,
what does it take? And you know, He's given me
these amazing answers, and I'm asking him personal questions to
about his upbringing and and what led him to football.
(29:02):
And I had a very odd, you know, up bringing
in sports. You know, I thought I was gonna play
lacrosse in college. You know, football came to me late,
and you know, we got to know each other a
little bit, and you know what I did. I walked
away from that conversation. I go to myself, jeez, you
know what, It's a really good thing that I had
that conversation with Tom because he's probably not going to
be doing this for very much longer. You know, I
(29:25):
just I'm so glad. And it turns out I am
now eight years retired and he's still playing, still playing.
So I mean it's just completely missed on that one.
But like, you know, I'm just like, jeez, yeah, I
was like proud of myself. I'm like, I really really
pumped him for all the information on his way out
of the league. You know, just couldn't have called that one.
(29:49):
But you know, part of the things that he shared
with me was he is so in love with this game,
like the reason, Like it's the reason for him. Like
there's people you whatever it is you wake up at
your family, your kids, your your your you know, your
your hobbies, your interests, you know, whatever it is that
gets you out of bed. And his his football. It
(30:10):
is football, football, football, And I think until this dude
his arm is falling off his body, I think he's
gonna keep trying to throw the football and he's proving
that he still got it. I mean, that comeback victory
was ridiculous. It's it's he still can do it. It's
just a matter of can the Bucks pull it together
(30:32):
in time now where he plays, I'll say this, I
think his time in Tampa Bay is done. I I
doubt if he'll come back for another year in Tampa.
So if he does play another year, could it be
in San Francisco? I mean they may be actively shopping
for a quarterback this offseason. Could it be in Las Vegas?
(30:53):
Is there a possibility that Davante Adams would be cool
playing with Tom Brady if they traded Derek hard Always
somewhere else? Could it be back in New England? I
don't know, but it's sort of feels like the stories
over for Brady in Tampa Bay. Rich Ornberger wearing his
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tomorrow and you know a matchup that look great in
the beginning of the season. Ah, you know what, it
doesn't look terrible. Yes, it looks bad for the Rams
who are now going to finish out the season, and
maybe we see Baker Mayfield tomorrow night for a little bit.
But I'll tell you what, Rich, this is like. Isn't
this peak Raiders right, Like, just when everything looks like
(32:40):
it's lost and they're gonna be the awe the look
at the Raiders they lose to the Colts and Jeff
Saturday's debut and McDaniels is gonna get fired. No, what
do the Raiders do? They beat three teams with pretty
decent defenses, teams they're fighting with to make the playoffs,
and now something of the Raiders are sitting around. Hey,
we're five and seven, we're scoring a lot of points.
We're pretty good. This is like peak Raiders. Whether it's
(33:01):
Oakland or Vegas, it doesn't matter. This is what the
Raiders do. Yeah, they're raidering. As as I commonly refer
to it, it's a verb. Uh, it's something we see
every single season, regardless of the coach, regardless of the city.
This is uh, this very apropos and I I think
it's Uh. It's an interesting season for Josh McDaniels because
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he started out as the heel, even though they were
losing a lot of close games, and it felt like
this function was starting to take hold, right you know,
you start hearing that maybe some of their's in fighting
in the locker room and all this, well, winning cures everything,
and that's exactly what they're doing. It's what Josh McDaniels
was hoping to establish. Earlier in the season, I'm sure,
(33:45):
but yeah, man, they got a chance at the postseason.
I mean, it's ridiculous to say, but the Raiders could
be a playoff team. And I'm telling you, I'm gonna
say they keep the good times rolling tomorrow. I'm gonna
say thirty one team Raiders. With the win. We do
see Baker Mayfield. He plays possibly the majority of the game.
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I think that maybe, you know, it's it's unknown when
he's going to play. Are they gonna, you know, let
him start the game? Is he going to come in
for the you know? But I think we've see him
for the majority of the game, and it's gonna be
an interesting storyline. But it's not gonna stop the Raiders
from their fourth win in a row and something it's
gonna be the Raiders can't make the playoffs. Get here
there are six and seven? Well, and they got there.
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What they got new it They could beat New England,
they can beat Pittsburgh. Suddenly, they can be over five hundred.
I think the Raiders keep the good times rolling tomorrow night.
I agree with you. I think it's gonna be probably
a lower scoring game than that, and I think it's
gonna be a close fight, like many of their games
have been this season. But I completely agree with you.
I I see the Raiders on a four game win streak,
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and I see all of us talking on Monday about
how hang on hold onto your horses. We have a
new dark horse out of the a f C. And
it is it is the horse that Josh Daniels rode
in on. And I I can't believe we're able to
say this, because it really was looking bleak for a
while there. But yeah, turn around mid season and here
(35:08):
we are. I think we're gonna be talking to Monday.
How you thought you were gonna play longer than Tom Brady. Yeah,
I think that's the best conversation that that. That also
did happen, didn't it? That did happen? Good Lord, Twitter
and out about Afresca, Rich at Ornberger, Rich, great stuff man,
tons of fun, Go get some sleep, good luck tomorrow morning,
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