December 14, 2022 • 36 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss Lionel Messi going full Hulk Mode this entire world cup to launch Argentia into the World Cup Final, remembering the life of Mike Leach and his impact on College Football, LeBron blows a huge lead against the Celtics tonight and so much more!
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just a little bit more on Mike Leach before we
get to Kyler Murray. Is that you know, we talked
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about his career, what a great head coach he was,
and and look, winning at Texas Tech and and Mississippi
State of Washington State are three almost impossible places to
sustaining to win sustainingly at Like you you can win
there for a couple of years, but you're not gonna
sustain winning there because you just you're not gonna always
get the recruits. It's gonna be it's gonna be very difficult.
The one thing I wish he could have had in
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his career was I would love to have see him
coach at a top three SEC or a top three
Big ten or a top three pack twelve school. I'd
love to see him, Hey, he gets a couple of
years at Ohio State or a couple of years at Florida,
or they give him a couple of years you know
at with U C. L A. I would have loved
to have seen him being one of those top programs
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and one of the Big three four conferences and see
what he could do. You know, he got it a
couple of years at Florida State. Boy, could he win there?
Could he bring that air raid offense that he that
he brought to Texas Tech all those years ago? And
you know Cliff Kingsbury was his starting quarterback there and
he had guys getting Heisman votes. Uh, you know, could
he have won? I'd love to see him win. And
I'd love to see that big personality be somebody we
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always pay attention to because you know, when you coach
these smaller schools, Hey, Mike White found a Mike White.
Mike Leach found a way to kind I'm still thinking
of Mike White. Mike Leach found a way to cut
through with his press conferences and his fun stuff. But boy,
the the every day you know, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin,
Jim Harbaugh, Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley conversation would have been
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about him, and I would have loved to see him
get a chance to win one of those top echel
in schools. Yeah. I mean you look at his career
and I mean a hundred fifty eight hundred seven total
overall records, they're gonna go to another Bowl game announced,
they're gonna they're gonna play in it after an eight
and fourth season, and just what he meant and what
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he was able to bring out of the talent right
trying to recruit and you had some top, top notch
players through the years. I mean, you think back to
what a player and dominant force Michael Crabtree was all
those years ago, uh, and just go on through through
the list of what he brought to those schools. Man,
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I like in it some of the spots that he
was there. It's like I can look at it from
my Northwestern squad right where you might be solid, but
it's gonna be a cyclical thing where you're gonna have
maybe a really good season and then there's gonna be
a year or two of pain that you're just gonna
lose shootouts because you can't get the horses, uh to
finish the job, or in my case with my north
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Western squad, you can't score points either. But well we'll
leave that lamentation for another time. But it's the same
kind of circumstance of everything's got to go right for
you to win consistently and you can win in the
recruiting trail. Once he got folks on the phone. I
mean you just heard the tails all the last forty
eight hours, everybody. Yep. Once he got you on the phone,
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whatever he asked you to do, you kind of just went, yep, coach,
you convinced me. Right. He got his law degree, Uh,
never used it except for in the recruiting process and
try to win arguments in the press. Uh. And certainly
the inquisitive nature was there. But I I think you're
absolutely right. I mean, there's there's the coaching tree that
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that spun off, and you've had some great successes and
national powerhouses built out of the principles that he installed
back from working with how Mummy and all that. But
the you know, opportunity as a head coach to be
at that top level. And perhaps because he was such
a straight shooter and didn't play the political game, perhaps
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as well as folks as light what would be one
of the things that while he had en dearedest to
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it's official today, Kyler Murray torn a c L. He
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has done for the season. Not only is he done
for this season, but likely his return is going to
be well into next year. And this is that. You know,
it's a horrible break in. There's nothing you can say
because now the Cardinals have to figure out how do
we go forward? What do we do? Do we do
we blow it up? Do we get rid of DeAndre Hopkins?
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You know all these all these things that have been
talked about over the course of the past few hours.
We we broke it down a bit last night after
it happened. But let me say this now, because you know,
the Kyler Murray story is okay. Now what's next for him? Right?
Because hey, Kyler Murray is a guy with a lot
of talent, and he's a guy that's got a big
contract and he's got a certain stigma about him. All Right,
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we're gonna play some Hollywood Brown here to get us
into what should absolutely be next for Kyler Murray, one
of the biggest stars in the NFL. This was Hollywood
Brown from a few days ago, rights from a little
bit less than a week ago, talking about Kyler Murray
and the person he is and how hey, once you
get to know him, he's a really good guy. This
is Hollywood Brown from last week after practice. I don't
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know this reception people. I mean, I see I see
why people if you don't know him, he might come
off wrong. But you know, Kyler one of the most
loving people I know, one of the hardest working people
I know. So when I see stuff like that, you know,
instead of you know, going up for a conversation, I
asked him why he's why he's coming in that, and
you know, but he didn't know, you know. So I
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was one of those things, I'm like, why they're saying
that about you said, I just want to figure it out.
He's got him. So there is So there's Hollywood Brown saying, yeah, look,
you get to know him. He's a good guy, but
I get the negative perception of him. This is what
Kyler Murray now needs to do until he gets back
to playing football, because now you know, it's gonna be
a while, it's gonna be rehab, it's gonna be a
lot for him. This is somebody who is still going
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to be a star in the NFL, and he's got
a very negative perception about him, that he's overrated, that
he's not a great teammate, and he's very quiet, and
you don't know, is he someone that the Cardinals are
going to buy into as their long term quarterback? Right?
This is what it is. There is a negative perception
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about him because I he hasn't achieved, he gets hurt
too much, and he holds out for money, and we
heard reports he's not a great teammate. Larry Fitzgerald, who's
the greatest Cardinal of all time, wouldn't really have his
back when he had that big back and forth with
the Cardinals over the summer before he got paid. If
I'm Kyler Murray, if I if my my job as
a public relations advisor to the stars, this is what
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I tell Kyler Murray. You want to have a great
long career in the NFL. You want to be a star.
You want to get marketing endorsements, You want to have
people come play with you so you have a chance
to win super Bowls. Because right now, coming to Arizona,
nobody wants to come here. Right, they were a destination.
They tried to do it. Hey, we're gonna get J. J. Watt.
We're gonna bring him in, gonna bring some leadership. We
make a trade for DeAndre Hopkins. Now nobody wants to
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come here. Man, We're gonna have a new head coach,
maybe a new GM. We need people to come here.
I tell Kyler Murray, dude, you need to change the
perception publicly of what people think about you. You want
to be part of the solution and have a great future.
Do the work, show everyone you're a leader. Right. Can't
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do it quietly because this is what's happened. This is
this is the image it's out there of you. Change
that image, change the narrative of you in your career.
Be someone who works hard and leads and is around
the team and tries to help. And that word is
gonna get out and the Cardinals are gonna be very
Oh hey, We love Kyler mur We can't wait to
get him back. He's such a great teammate. He's leading
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even though he's not playing, and you're gonna get stories
to go out to free agent. Are gonna say, boy,
Kyler is that kind of guy I want to go
play there? I tell him, dude, take charge of your career.
Don't let this narrative that you're a bad guy, you're overrated,
you're a bad teammate. Don't let this take over. This
is the work you can do now, because we're not
gonna see You're not gonna get to be on the
field and throw for three touchdowns and scramble for two
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touchdowns in the fourth quarter and win games. You're not
gonna get to do that. It just simply isn't going
to happen. So you need to spend that time changing
the narrative about you late. Make sure people know you
are working hard, do more things in the community, Be
more active, be more visible, be someone that you can say,
this is who we are. The Cardinals say this is
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who we are, this is our guy, this is our
franchise even though he's not playing right now. That's the
best advice I could give Kyler Murray going forward. Yeah,
I think a couple of things we can. We get
to use the term churlish here. You know, we used
to use mercurial. Now I want to change that up,
So we're gonna go with churlish. Uh. And you've had
the dust ups on the sidelines. Uh, the way Hollywood
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Brown describes it, you know, it strikes me as a
guy who who doesn't know necessarily how to react or
to a degree, you've you've dealt with people all your
life who everybody's kind of wanted something from you, and
you've always been the star. And and maybe maybe that's
an area of the leadership thing that at the pro
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level doesn't hasn't hasn't quite resonated, and he hasn't learned
to deal with that to to a degree, right, And
when things go wrong, instead of being collaborative, everybody's looking
to point fingers. And usually the quarterback's gonna wear it. Right,
it's quarterback in the head coach that nine times out
of ten are gonna get it, unless it's the offensive
lineman that gets you killed. And then he becomes public
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enemy number one because the backup quarterback that everybody loved
now has to be their starter. I would think he
should embrace things alongside the work ethic aspect of things. Right.
We we heard reports that on Thursday in that great
come back by Baker Mayfield and the Rams, that Matthew
Stafford was on a headset and talking to him and
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talking him through the process, talking him through the playbook,
all of that stuff. That's where Kyler Murray can be later.
Maybe maybe it's not to the same level because Colt
McCoy has been in the National Football League along time,
has been in that system a long time, but it's
still the the same kind of idea. Be collaborative, be
part of the process, and learn what you can learn
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as your coach. Uh, and you're quarterback McCoy, your coordinators, everybody,
everybody's up there and and talking through plays and process, right,
the learning and the education of it all. But yeah,
it's it's time for a little bit of image management
and image consultancy. I wouldn't bring this in. You brought
up Larry Fitzgerald. Remember, he's kind of got like an
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ownership part to him a little bit, not necessarily with
the squad, but you know, he's he's kind of seen
as as as that guy. So him him not standing
up for Kyler doesn't really surprise me. And that circumstance,
Oh no, of course not. But but nobody is standing
up for him. And look, you get a little bit
of Hollywood brown going, Hey, I get I understand if
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you don't know him. He's that kind of guy. Dude,
you're a quarterback and I and and look, I don't
want you got to be the welcoming guy. I don't.
I don't want anybody to be someone there not. You
can't ask people that. But when you sign, you're getting
paid thirty million dollars a year. Yeah, there's certain responsibilities
to go along with that. Yeah, we expect you to
do a little bit more than just get out their
call plays and throw the football. You need to be
everything you are our franchise. So yeah, we need a
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little bit more out of you. We need you to
be that guy. And now you can concentrate on it.
You're not playing for a long time. Go out there
and do it. This is what should be going on
right now. It's pretty it's pretty easy thing. And either
he gets it and he decides yes, that's what I want.
That's gonna want my legacy to be or he doesn't.
And in ten eleven months from now, we're saying, is
Kyler Murray gonna come back? Does it really matter? Is
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he still good? Are the Cardinals gonna take a quarterback
in the draft? That's you need to do, because don't
forget about that part of it. Hey, he's hurt for
a while. We're gonna pick really early in the draft.
There's a lot of quarterbacks out there. What if we
draft a good, really good quarterback and then we trade
Kyler Murray when he gets healthy. Hey, why not do that?
And then suddenly you're Kyler Murray and you're saying, oh,
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now I gotta start over someplace else. So you want
to make sure that the Cardinals. No, yes, you can
trust me. I am your I'm the franchise guy. You
gave all that money too. It's a pretty easy choice.
Or he either does it or or he doesn't. That's it. Yeah.
I think you have to show all the test results
for all the quizzes that you're gonna have to show
you're doing the extra work. Uh, maybe maybe you have
to go through a diploma ceremony. Obviously I'm being us
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night and crash with it, but you know, in In
all of this, it's become perception is reality? Right, You
tried to put that clause into the contract. Whether it's
still there or not, I don't know. I haven't haven't
gone and tried to find his contract terms. But the
fact that that was ever a discussion point, that that
got leaked out and found as people were investigating the
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terms of the contract shows that there's a mistrust and
a disconnect. Well, the only thing you can do is
is put the work in and it's got a show
on the field, because just saying hey, he spent extra
time here, I didn't mean anything if it doesn't translate
to the field. So unfortunately, the proof has got to
be once he finishes his rehab and gets back on
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the field to show that there's improvement in the decision making,
timing down distance, whether Kingsbury's there, it's another coach, or
if he is on another roster by there, there's a
lot of work to be done to prepare his image
as much as there is his leg. Be sure to
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time I hear this song, I think of uti shirt
every single time, every single time, and it's on everywhere
every time. Soo Morocco, you know, Morocco. You know. The
thing is that you know, you think about lyrics to songs,
and one of the big lyrics of this song is
and tales of the Glory of Christmas is long long ago?
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Are there really tales of glory of Christmas is long
long ago? I don't know anybody sits around and go
the Christmas of Let me tell you about that? That was, like,
I don't think there is in their individual houses. Sure
you remember a drunken uncle an argument that spilled over
someone showing up, maybe a little inebriated before anything started,
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and they had tales to tell. Maybe there was the
airing of the grievances uh Seinfeld's isle. I don't. I
don't think that's what And I don't think that's what
Andy Williams means by tales of the Glory of Christmas
is long long ago. Well, I mean, if if you see,
if you take it through the proper perspectives, all things
become funny after a while, don't they. Is it like
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a giant astroskept it and brought to your grandmother and
your mother who was about to give birth through the snow,
past the two big twin Christmas trees at the beginning
of town. You were brought inside, and after many hours
of childbirth, you popped out right at midnight on Christmas Day.
I mean, like, that's like the tales of the is it?
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But we don't have stories like that though I don't know.
Someone says to me, Hey, what I don't say, Oh,
let me tell you the tales of a glory of
Christmas long long ago. I just don't think that's the
blizzard of seventy nine where we were stuck with a
lot of family members that couldn't go see again. These
are these are stories where you're like, let me tell
you stories about Christmas? Is that really piste me off?
That I didn't I don't want to them to know.
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It's it's the glory of long time ago, because now
that doesn't happen quite easy. It's not a glory though
that that's let me tell you the story of a
Christmas I'd rather forget. I mean, that's really what you're saying. Well,
but you remember it and you bring it up and
you raise a glass to those who aren't with you
to to commemorate the lunacy of that year. That was
like when when Morocco set things up for a glorious
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holiday holiday holiday season. All right to stop, tie shirt,
Morocco is tomorrow joining us now on the hotline. Help
us remember the legend of Mike Leach College Football News
dot com. The owner, editor, proprietor longtime friend of the show,
it's Pete feu Tech. You can follow him on Twitter
at Pete feu Tech. Pete, what's happening man? How are
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you guys doing? We're talking about the glory of Christmas
is long long ago from the most wonderful time of
the year, and I don't know that there's a lot
of glory. Um. Let me put it this way. It's
work for me. My daughter, oldest daughter, was born on December,
so that's not Christmas Eve. That's her birthday. My wife's
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birthday is January eighth. The National Championship falls somewhere in between.
All that just just screw me up. And now the
New Year's Eve is gone because the College Football Playoff
is brilliantly being played on December thirty one each year.
So December to me just just Okay, let's go. Let's
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get it over with. What did I get? Oh? Nothing?
Oh your coffee? Ya, you know, and then let's move on.
Let's just you know, just shorten the game. Stop drop
of roles, keep moving. I know that feeling. But I mean,
does your daughter get get the combo gift instead of
two separate dates and you celebrate January eight for the
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national holiday that it is because it is? Well, the
problem is, my wife's a jewelry maker who has made
it very clear over the years that if anybody else
benefits from it, it's not a gift such as like
trips and things like that. Uh So that pretty much
wipes out every category as an old guy like I
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am at this point for it. And so that's a
two big giant things that I can't go to at
this point. So and yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's
just a dumb guess at this point with combo gifts
with them, so I've given up. But yes, but I digress,
you know, I well, of course, when when the Mike
when the Mike Leach news hit today, it was a
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big shot. You look, we kind of knew it was
coming after the reports from a day ago. But he
was so young, he was still coaching so well, and
I think you you hit it perfectly with your tweet.
I want you to expand on is that you tweeted
out earlier today, Mike Leach is why you like college football? Yeah,
you know, it's the heart. I'm not knocking him in
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any way here. If I actually kind of find it
to be sort of the inspirational part of this and
what it could have been is you're right. I mean
for old guys like us sixty one still rolling, that
mean in college football coaching years, that's nothing. And he
was just going into his biggest act. And again I'm
not knocking even any way when I say this, but
like for the influential as he was to every to
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the modern day of football at the NFL level and
college level, he didn't really win anything. And then finally
he gets to a place where at Mississippi State, where
you can have a top twenty five recruiting class where
he was, he's got NFL caliber offensive lineman that he
never had at Texas Tech at Washington State. So that
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all right, that that kind of thing. It was always like,
all right, well, this is great, but what would he
do if he was at a program that he could
get that next level guy to do what he wants
to do. And he was just starting to build that up.
And obviously the SEC it's harder than it seems to
go win national championships and everything, but that would it was.
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It was about to be interesting to see him get
the talent level to meet the schemes, to meet the mind,
the football mind that he is. And again, the strange
part about all this, and this was kind of the
point of my article and the tweet and everything, is
that everyone else got fat off of this guy because
they basically listed what he did. He didn't invent the arrade,
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but he certainly took it mainstream. And two men of
a certain age, you know, to remember what Oklahoma used
to be, for example, that was that was deeply rooted
in the running game, and he went there for one
year the offensive coordinator, and all of a sudden, Oklahoma
became kind of the thing. For remember the point of
minute teams of San Bradford, and you know what Josh
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Hypel did on the way of the national championship and
great offenses that winged it all around the I mean,
they completely pivoted the New England Patriots basically ripped off
everything except for the white splits on the line. Tom
Brady became the goat by essentially running his style of offense,
but obviously with a few key tweaks. And he was
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just kind of the guy who made football more fun
and took it to the level that it is now,
where it became the thing that, yeah, we can throw
it around the yard a million times and change out
the five you know, the three to five yard run
for the five to seven yard path, and that's just
been football in the modern day now peaked to that end.
I mean throughout the day. Right, we see the coaching tree,
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we see all of that. I brought up the Hall
of Fame debate that started to rage on Twitter because
he falls just short of the winning percentage for the inclusion.
Yet you look at that coaching tree, you look at
the successes, and you wonder about, you know, how how
you get in a side door to recognize what he
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meant to the game overall. Yeah, let's start with the
college football Hall of Fame is weird. Um, So it's
you have these these rules that you had to have
been acknowledged, Uh, you know, first team all American consensus
or something, which is hard to do if you're a quarterback.
It's Joe Montana, who between the Chicken Soup Game and
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the National Championship, probably it is one of the better
college quarterbacks of all time, but can't get into the
College Football Hall of Fame. Uh. Secondly, I I will,
I will put my knowledge up college football in college
football history, up there with anybody. But about I don't
know fifty really crazy weird people out there. And god
if I know who half the people are who somehow
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get into this thing. You know, you know Earl something
or other from you know, Oregon Tech from the nineteen thirties. Okay,
I mean the the the crazy people to get in
this thing. And then also I think you have to pay.
I kind of stopped voting in a while ago. You
had to pay to vote to it, because like, you
could vote for it if you just donate a hundred
dollars to the National Football Foundation or whatever it is.
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So uh, it's look, it's fine, it's a Hall of fame.
It's it's not. No, he like again wins he did.
He never got to a conference championship. So again, I
who knows who got there in Mississippi States wins. I
get it. But in terms of pure innovation, obviously, obviously
he's one of the most influential coaches in the history
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of all of football. Well here, here's where I'm at
with him, Pete, is that you look at three places
that yet he's been right, head coach at Texas Tech,
head coach at Washington State, head coach of Mississippi State.
Three places where it is almost impossible to have a
sustained winning experience. Right, most guys go there. These are
the bridge schools. Right, I want to go. I win
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there for a couple of years, I get a bigger job.
He sustained winning at Texas Tech, sustained winning. He would
have won more in Mission State. He was already on
the way. He won a big at Washington State. He
didn't that Again, I'm not docking him, he didn't. I mean,
look what you can win at Washington State. How how
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is Washington State to win big? He can't. They did
his under Ryan Leaf and during his era at Duke
Northwestern Kansas, Wake Forest, they all got to conference championships.
So I get what you're saying. It's you know there
are Look, it's not a time to rip on it.
Obviously he belongs to the Hall of Fame. He was
again one of the great again, one of the best
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minds out there. And more than that, you know, here
the stories that come from uh everyone who you know
came in touch with the guys like there's there's all
these other stories about that you just never heard of.
Uh again, they just didn't get through the media where
here's a guy who did all these kind of you know,
off the cuff, you know kind things or things that
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just for everybody else seems normal, but's like, wow, the
you know, really the head football coach. Let you know
a bunch of students go play in the practice field,
Like obviously it seems like, you know, wow, this is amazing,
but Mike leachers like, yeah, why not, you know, let's
them play. It's their field. Like he just was kind
of for being this you know, genius football coach guy
who who created all these you know, crazy outside the box,
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you know ways of doing things. He was also sort
of just like a ray A guy in so many
ways and being like, of course, just helping out. You know,
they're countless journalists out there, countless students at student papers
and student broadcasting centers who have these stories where you know,
I I tweeted or I texted him and said, hello, coach,
can I have five minutes? And you know, forty five
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minutes later, you know, blah blah blah, and like there's
everyone's got a story about this guy is again one
of the most unique figures and colorful figures in the
history of all the football. Did you ever have any
pirate conversations with him? You know, nothing more? I actually
did not. I met him a couple of times. It
really was nothing. You know that was is colorful as
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all this other stuff, just more kind of like blah
blah football stuff. But uh, you know, like my you know,
but certainly everybody who has covered this guy has some
wild and crazy stories about all the you know, the
just the difference. You know, he's just a different guy
in so many different ways. Uh. And again to to
the original point of all this, if you are a
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foot ball fan right now because you liked the modern
era of lots of passing and lots of fun, I mean,
he probably made NFL quarterbacks. I mean, there's gonna be
some way to measure this where he probably made NFL quarterbacks.
Billions of dollars by his innovations and tweaked and what
he was able to do because everybody like, look the
temper by Bucketeers don't even run the ball now, you know,
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they just they just say, come Brady, go throw at
sixty times a game. I mean he again, all his
innovations and everything he was able to do, he carried this,
you know, from his era with Hell Mommy to start
in Kentucky when they made Tim Couch the number one
overall pick in the draft. Everywhere he was and to
your point with Washington State and Texas Tech. Yeah, you know,
those teams were a blast. They were there, that was
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that was packed twelve after dark. You had to watch
Washington Day games late. Those Texas Tech teams. You know,
guys like you know b J. Simmons and Cliff Kingsberry
and Graham Harrell. I mean, you know these are these
aren't exactly the biggest household name you know quarterbacks outside
of Kingsbury now, but like in terms of you know,
college legend, and these guys are putting up five to
six thousand yards a year with regularity. I mean, it
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was crazy how how much this this thing worked. And
uh that to your overall point again. Finally, the Texas
Tech more than Washington tap like he happened to be
at Texas Tech right with Texas and Oklahoma or the
superpowers of college football. So priming wise, it was just
a bad time to be in that big twelve South.
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He keeps playing that drop and it's like he's waiting
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Morocco in our World Cup pool and if they win tomorrow,
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He has no idea where Ty Shirt, has no idea
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Tight Shirt? Who? Who's who's airing the World Cup? I
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Yes that's right. Yes, Fox Sports is the home of
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World Cup games, and that's right. Yeah. Uh. We had
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an absolute unbelievable moment in the world of sports a
few moments ago. And now it's just a matter of
time before one of the biggest records of all time
goes down. Turnover in front and nantha fist shot they store.
It's eight hundred goals. Eight hundred goals for Alex Ovechkin.
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He has a hat trick tonight. The Capitals blow out
the black Hawks seven to three. Uh, and what a
great night for him with their best goal score we've
seen in the last twenty years. Just the third person
ever to get to eight hundred career goals right now,
you cannot eclipse and Wayne Gretzky blank, Look he I
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think he may pass Gordy How in the post game
he has now one goal away from passing Gordy How.
Gordy How from time, Gordy How, Gordy How has eight
oh one. Now here's the other thing, And here's the
biggest thing, Wayne Gretzky. Yes, most goes all time? How many?
Is it eight hundred and ninety four? Well, he got
still a lot of go Alex Ovechkin. It's just a
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matter of time before he breaks that record. Yes, he's
thirty seven years old, but he is still seven. Shut up.
But he is still scoring over forty goals a year.
I mean that's something at thirty seven to be scoring forty.
This is not something he's not like, Oh, I'm getting
there slowly. Like he went from being a fifty goal
scorer and he's scoring forty. Now he's scoring thirty five,
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he's scoring twenty eight. Now he's twenty two, twenty one,
he's scoring nineteen. He is still a forty plus goal
a year. Guy. He's gonna score at least seventeen or
eighteen maybe probably twenty more goals this year, right, I'll
probably finished right around for he's only played thirty games,
got seventeen goals, so he's got about five more goals
to go at least this year. He's gonna finish this
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year at five. He'll he'll get almost there next year.
So in two years we're gonna be talking about, Wow,
Alex Ovechkin is gonna own the greatest record in al
of hockey and one of the great records in the
history of sport. It's gonna be Alex Evenchkin. Who's gonna happen.
You think he's not gonna go Yes, injuries could always happen,
but even with injuries, he still scores. He is still
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this good and offensive player at the age of thirty seven.
You think of Tom Brady being as good as he
was at I mean, not this year, but he's still okay,
I mean, Alvechian is playing an even higher level than
those guys when they get to be that old. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty scary. You start going through and looking
at the date of his five goal, uh, you know,
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and how many games they played at that point, and
that the proliferate proliferation, the dominance that we've seen of
Ovechkin through his career. Uh, games played, and just the
operational efficiency of it all. And we go back to Gretzky.
You get to do some of those fun stats like
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you do with Hank Aaron. Well if you take out
all his goals and you just count his assists, look
at where he ranks on the all times scoring lists
and all of those things. But just and imin think achievement, uh,
with with the the way the game is played. Uh,
and really and to change. We talked about records in
the NFL not being quite the same because of the
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change will owing to Mike Leach and passing systems and
everything as it's evolved with hockey a lot of times
not not quite the same level. Right of scoring because
we we still carking back to Yager and Lemieux and
Gretzky when we start talking about Brett hole. Uh. And
now you have a Vetchkin crashing that party. Uh, first
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guy in all these years to say, hey, you know
what the new kids can do some of this too,
So good on him. Uh and goals man that just
stay healthy for another year and a half, two years,
I mean, just think about this right his age thirty
three to thirty seven year. Right, thirty three years only
had fifty one, thirty four he had thirty five, he
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got hurt, played in forty five games, still scored twenty
four goals. Okay, thirty six, he had fifty goals. Okay,
dude's thirty six. And he's still scoring fifty goals all right,
And now he's got seventeen so far in thirty games.
He'll get close to that again this year. I mean,
you know, guys playing well in advanced age. And we
talk a lot about Leonel Messi, who's thirty five and
he owns the World Cup so far, and and and
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Brady is he gonna play until he's fifty? Um, I
don't know that anybody is at the level of Ovechkin
right now, being a fifty goal a year guy still
when he's in his mid to late we're getting into
his late thirties. I mean, that's the most guys fall
off andans like, you know, I'm still he's scoring more
goals now even then he did earlier in his career,
because he was a thirty five forty goal a game
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guy back when he was in his late twenties and
now I'm just gonna keep it. I'm getting older, I'm
getting better. Man. We're that vulcanized rubber. I'm just gonna
keep putting that in the net. It's gonna it's fantastic.
So what I'm gonna do? We talk about operational efficiency
and sometimes being a little bit smarter. We were talking
about Messy and his creativity and the births that he
was showing the but dope at times where all of
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a sudden he's going turbo mode in the match earlier
today against Croatia. Same thing here with Ovechkin putting up
those kinds of numbers. Uh. Now, Messy just needs to
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get to Kyler Murray. Is that you know, we talked
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about his career, what a great head coach he was,
and and look, winning at Texas Tech and and Mississippi
State of Washington State are three almost impossible places to
sustaining to win sustainingly at Like you you can win
there for a couple of years, but you're not gonna
sustain winning there because you just you're not gonna always
get the recruits. It's gonna be it's gonna be very difficult.
The one thing I wish he could have had in
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his career was I would love to have see him
coach at a top three SEC or a top three
Big ten or a top three pack twelve school. I'd
love to see him, Hey, he gets a couple of
years at Ohio State or a couple of years at Florida,
or they give him a couple of years you know
at with U C. L A. I would have loved
to have seen him being one of those top programs
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and one of the Big three four conferences and see
what he could do. You know, he got it a
couple of years at Florida State. Boy, could he win there?
Could he bring that air raid offense that he that
he brought to Texas Tech all those years ago? And
you know Cliff Kingsbury was his starting quarterback there and
he had guys getting Heisman votes. Uh, you know, could
he have won? I'd love to see him win. And
I'd love to see that big personality be somebody we
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always pay attention to because you know, when you coach
these smaller schools, Hey, Mike White found a Mike White.
Mike Leach found a way to kind I'm still thinking
of Mike White. Mike Leach found a way to cut
through with his press conferences and his fun stuff. But boy,
the the every day you know, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin,
Jim Harbaugh, Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley conversation would have been
(02:56):
about him, and I would have loved to see him
get a chance to win one of those top echel
in schools. Yeah. I mean you look at his career
and I mean a hundred fifty eight hundred seven total
overall records, they're gonna go to another Bowl game announced,
they're gonna they're gonna play in it after an eight
and fourth season, and just what he meant and what
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he was able to bring out of the talent right
trying to recruit and you had some top, top notch
players through the years. I mean, you think back to
what a player and dominant force Michael Crabtree was all
those years ago, uh, and just go on through through
the list of what he brought to those schools. Man,
(03:37):
I like in it some of the spots that he
was there. It's like I can look at it from
my Northwestern squad right where you might be solid, but
it's gonna be a cyclical thing where you're gonna have
maybe a really good season and then there's gonna be
a year or two of pain that you're just gonna
lose shootouts because you can't get the horses, uh to
finish the job, or in my case with my north
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Western squad, you can't score points either. But well we'll
leave that lamentation for another time. But it's the same
kind of circumstance of everything's got to go right for
you to win consistently and you can win in the
recruiting trail. Once he got folks on the phone. I
mean you just heard the tails all the last forty
eight hours, everybody. Yep. Once he got you on the phone,
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whatever he asked you to do, you kind of just went, yep, coach,
you convinced me. Right. He got his law degree, Uh,
never used it except for in the recruiting process and
try to win arguments in the press. Uh. And certainly
the inquisitive nature was there. But I I think you're
absolutely right. I mean, there's there's the coaching tree that
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that spun off, and you've had some great successes and
national powerhouses built out of the principles that he installed
back from working with how Mummy and all that. But
the you know, opportunity as a head coach to be
at that top level. And perhaps because he was such
a straight shooter and didn't play the political game, perhaps
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as well as folks as light what would be one
of the things that while he had en dearedest to
us might have left boosters and some administrators a little
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it's official today, Kyler Murray torn a c L. He
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has done for the season. Not only is he done
for this season, but likely his return is going to
be well into next year. And this is that. You know,
it's a horrible break in. There's nothing you can say
because now the Cardinals have to figure out how do
we go forward? What do we do? Do we do
we blow it up? Do we get rid of DeAndre Hopkins?
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You know all these all these things that have been
talked about over the course of the past few hours.
We we broke it down a bit last night after
it happened. But let me say this now, because you know,
the Kyler Murray story is okay. Now what's next for him? Right?
Because hey, Kyler Murray is a guy with a lot
of talent, and he's a guy that's got a big
contract and he's got a certain stigma about him. All Right,
(06:31):
we're gonna play some Hollywood Brown here to get us
into what should absolutely be next for Kyler Murray, one
of the biggest stars in the NFL. This was Hollywood
Brown from a few days ago, rights from a little
bit less than a week ago, talking about Kyler Murray
and the person he is and how hey, once you
get to know him, he's a really good guy. This
is Hollywood Brown from last week after practice. I don't
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know this reception people. I mean, I see I see
why people if you don't know him, he might come
off wrong. But you know, Kyler one of the most
loving people I know, one of the hardest working people
I know. So when I see stuff like that, you know,
instead of you know, going up for a conversation, I
asked him why he's why he's coming in that, and
you know, but he didn't know, you know. So I
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was one of those things, I'm like, why they're saying
that about you said, I just want to figure it out.
He's got him. So there is So there's Hollywood Brown saying, yeah, look,
you get to know him. He's a good guy, but
I get the negative perception of him. This is what
Kyler Murray now needs to do until he gets back
to playing football, because now you know, it's gonna be
a while, it's gonna be rehab, it's gonna be a
lot for him. This is somebody who is still going
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to be a star in the NFL, and he's got
a very negative perception about him, that he's overrated, that
he's not a great teammate, and he's very quiet, and
you don't know, is he someone that the Cardinals are
going to buy into as their long term quarterback? Right?
This is what it is. There is a negative perception
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about him because I he hasn't achieved, he gets hurt
too much, and he holds out for money, and we
heard reports he's not a great teammate. Larry Fitzgerald, who's
the greatest Cardinal of all time, wouldn't really have his
back when he had that big back and forth with
the Cardinals over the summer before he got paid. If
I'm Kyler Murray, if I if my my job as
a public relations advisor to the stars, this is what
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I tell Kyler Murray. You want to have a great
long career in the NFL. You want to be a star.
You want to get marketing endorsements, You want to have
people come play with you so you have a chance
to win super Bowls. Because right now, coming to Arizona,
nobody wants to come here. Right, they were a destination.
They tried to do it. Hey, we're gonna get J. J. Watt.
We're gonna bring him in, gonna bring some leadership. We
make a trade for DeAndre Hopkins. Now nobody wants to
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come here. Man, We're gonna have a new head coach,
maybe a new GM. We need people to come here.
I tell Kyler Murray, dude, you need to change the
perception publicly of what people think about you. You want
to be part of the solution and have a great future.
Do the work, show everyone you're a leader. Right. Can't
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do it quietly because this is what's happened. This is
this is the image it's out there of you. Change
that image, change the narrative of you in your career.
Be someone who works hard and leads and is around
the team and tries to help. And that word is
gonna get out and the Cardinals are gonna be very
Oh hey, We love Kyler mur We can't wait to
get him back. He's such a great teammate. He's leading
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even though he's not playing, and you're gonna get stories
to go out to free agent. Are gonna say, boy,
Kyler is that kind of guy I want to go
play there? I tell him, dude, take charge of your career.
Don't let this narrative that you're a bad guy, you're overrated,
you're a bad teammate. Don't let this take over. This
is the work you can do now, because we're not
gonna see You're not gonna get to be on the
field and throw for three touchdowns and scramble for two
(09:47):
touchdowns in the fourth quarter and win games. You're not
gonna get to do that. It just simply isn't going
to happen. So you need to spend that time changing
the narrative about you late. Make sure people know you
are working hard, do more things in the community, Be
more active, be more visible, be someone that you can say,
this is who we are. The Cardinals say this is
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who we are, this is our guy, this is our
franchise even though he's not playing right now. That's the
best advice I could give Kyler Murray going forward. Yeah,
I think a couple of things we can. We get
to use the term churlish here. You know, we used
to use mercurial. Now I want to change that up,
So we're gonna go with churlish. Uh. And you've had
the dust ups on the sidelines. Uh, the way Hollywood
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Brown describes it, you know, it strikes me as a
guy who who doesn't know necessarily how to react or
to a degree, you've you've dealt with people all your
life who everybody's kind of wanted something from you, and
you've always been the star. And and maybe maybe that's
an area of the leadership thing that at the pro
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level doesn't hasn't hasn't quite resonated, and he hasn't learned
to deal with that to to a degree, right, And
when things go wrong, instead of being collaborative, everybody's looking
to point fingers. And usually the quarterback's gonna wear it. Right,
it's quarterback in the head coach that nine times out
of ten are gonna get it, unless it's the offensive
lineman that gets you killed. And then he becomes public
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enemy number one because the backup quarterback that everybody loved
now has to be their starter. I would think he
should embrace things alongside the work ethic aspect of things. Right.
We we heard reports that on Thursday in that great
come back by Baker Mayfield and the Rams, that Matthew
Stafford was on a headset and talking to him and
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talking him through the process, talking him through the playbook,
all of that stuff. That's where Kyler Murray can be later.
Maybe maybe it's not to the same level because Colt
McCoy has been in the National Football League along time,
has been in that system a long time, but it's
still the the same kind of idea. Be collaborative, be
part of the process, and learn what you can learn
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as your coach. Uh, and you're quarterback McCoy, your coordinators, everybody,
everybody's up there and and talking through plays and process, right,
the learning and the education of it all. But yeah,
it's it's time for a little bit of image management
and image consultancy. I wouldn't bring this in. You brought
up Larry Fitzgerald. Remember, he's kind of got like an
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ownership part to him a little bit, not necessarily with
the squad, but you know, he's he's kind of seen
as as as that guy. So him him not standing
up for Kyler doesn't really surprise me. And that circumstance,
Oh no, of course not. But but nobody is standing
up for him. And look, you get a little bit
of Hollywood brown going, Hey, I get I understand if
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you don't know him. He's that kind of guy. Dude,
you're a quarterback and I and and look, I don't
want you got to be the welcoming guy. I don't.
I don't want anybody to be someone there not. You
can't ask people that. But when you sign, you're getting
paid thirty million dollars a year. Yeah, there's certain responsibilities
to go along with that. Yeah, we expect you to
do a little bit more than just get out their
call plays and throw the football. You need to be
everything you are our franchise. So yeah, we need a
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little bit more out of you. We need you to
be that guy. And now you can concentrate on it.
You're not playing for a long time. Go out there
and do it. This is what should be going on
right now. It's pretty it's pretty easy thing. And either
he gets it and he decides yes, that's what I want.
That's gonna want my legacy to be or he doesn't.
And in ten eleven months from now, we're saying, is
Kyler Murray gonna come back? Does it really matter? Is
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he still good? Are the Cardinals gonna take a quarterback
in the draft? That's you need to do, because don't
forget about that part of it. Hey, he's hurt for
a while. We're gonna pick really early in the draft.
There's a lot of quarterbacks out there. What if we
draft a good, really good quarterback and then we trade
Kyler Murray when he gets healthy. Hey, why not do that?
And then suddenly you're Kyler Murray and you're saying, oh,
(13:42):
now I gotta start over someplace else. So you want
to make sure that the Cardinals. No, yes, you can
trust me. I am your I'm the franchise guy. You
gave all that money too. It's a pretty easy choice.
Or he either does it or or he doesn't. That's it. Yeah.
I think you have to show all the test results
for all the quizzes that you're gonna have to show
you're doing the extra work. Uh, maybe maybe you have
to go through a diploma ceremony. Obviously I'm being us
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night and crash with it, but you know, in In
all of this, it's become perception is reality? Right, You
tried to put that clause into the contract. Whether it's
still there or not, I don't know. I haven't haven't
gone and tried to find his contract terms. But the
fact that that was ever a discussion point, that that
got leaked out and found as people were investigating the
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terms of the contract shows that there's a mistrust and
a disconnect. Well, the only thing you can do is
is put the work in and it's got a show
on the field, because just saying hey, he spent extra
time here, I didn't mean anything if it doesn't translate
to the field. So unfortunately, the proof has got to
be once he finishes his rehab and gets back on
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the field to show that there's improvement in the decision making,
timing down distance, whether Kingsbury's there, it's another coach, or
if he is on another roster by there, there's a
lot of work to be done to prepare his image
as much as there is his leg. Be sure to
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Are there really tales of glory of Christmas is long
long ago? I don't know anybody sits around and go
the Christmas of Let me tell you about that? That was, like,
I don't think there is in their individual houses. Sure
you remember a drunken uncle an argument that spilled over
someone showing up, maybe a little inebriated before anything started,
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and they had tales to tell. Maybe there was the
airing of the grievances uh Seinfeld's isle. I don't. I
don't think that's what And I don't think that's what
Andy Williams means by tales of the Glory of Christmas
is long long ago. Well, I mean, if if you see,
if you take it through the proper perspectives, all things
become funny after a while, don't they. Is it like
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a giant astroskept it and brought to your grandmother and
your mother who was about to give birth through the snow,
past the two big twin Christmas trees at the beginning
of town. You were brought inside, and after many hours
of childbirth, you popped out right at midnight on Christmas Day.
I mean, like, that's like the tales of the is it?
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But we don't have stories like that though I don't know.
Someone says to me, Hey, what I don't say, Oh,
let me tell you the tales of a glory of
Christmas long long ago. I just don't think that's the
blizzard of seventy nine where we were stuck with a
lot of family members that couldn't go see again. These
are these are stories where you're like, let me tell
you stories about Christmas? Is that really piste me off?
That I didn't I don't want to them to know.
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It's it's the glory of long time ago, because now
that doesn't happen quite easy. It's not a glory though
that that's let me tell you the story of a
Christmas I'd rather forget. I mean, that's really what you're saying. Well,
but you remember it and you bring it up and
you raise a glass to those who aren't with you
to to commemorate the lunacy of that year. That was
like when when Morocco set things up for a glorious
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holiday holiday holiday season. All right to stop, tie shirt,
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it's Pete feu Tech. You can follow him on Twitter
at Pete feu Tech. Pete, what's happening man? How are
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you guys doing? We're talking about the glory of Christmas
is long long ago from the most wonderful time of
the year, and I don't know that there's a lot
of glory. Um. Let me put it this way. It's
work for me. My daughter, oldest daughter, was born on December,
so that's not Christmas Eve. That's her birthday. My wife's
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birthday is January eighth. The National Championship falls somewhere in between.
All that just just screw me up. And now the
New Year's Eve is gone because the College Football Playoff
is brilliantly being played on December thirty one each year.
So December to me just just Okay, let's go. Let's
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get it over with. What did I get? Oh? Nothing?
Oh your coffee? Ya, you know, and then let's move on.
Let's just you know, just shorten the game. Stop drop
of roles, keep moving. I know that feeling. But I mean,
does your daughter get get the combo gift instead of
two separate dates and you celebrate January eight for the
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national holiday that it is because it is? Well, the
problem is, my wife's a jewelry maker who has made
it very clear over the years that if anybody else
benefits from it, it's not a gift such as like
trips and things like that. Uh So that pretty much
wipes out every category as an old guy like I
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am at this point for it. And so that's a
two big giant things that I can't go to at
this point. So and yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's
just a dumb guess at this point with combo gifts
with them, so I've given up. But yes, but I digress,
you know, I well, of course, when when the Mike
when the Mike Leach news hit today, it was a
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big shot. You look, we kind of knew it was
coming after the reports from a day ago. But he
was so young, he was still coaching so well, and
I think you you hit it perfectly with your tweet.
I want you to expand on is that you tweeted
out earlier today, Mike Leach is why you like college football? Yeah,
you know, it's the heart. I'm not knocking him in
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any way here. If I actually kind of find it
to be sort of the inspirational part of this and
what it could have been is you're right. I mean
for old guys like us sixty one still rolling, that
mean in college football coaching years, that's nothing. And he
was just going into his biggest act. And again I'm
not knocking even any way when I say this, but
like for the influential as he was to every to
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the modern day of football at the NFL level and
college level, he didn't really win anything. And then finally
he gets to a place where at Mississippi State, where
you can have a top twenty five recruiting class where
he was, he's got NFL caliber offensive lineman that he
never had at Texas Tech at Washington State. So that
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all right, that that kind of thing. It was always like,
all right, well, this is great, but what would he
do if he was at a program that he could
get that next level guy to do what he wants
to do. And he was just starting to build that up.
And obviously the SEC it's harder than it seems to
go win national championships and everything, but that would it was.
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It was about to be interesting to see him get
the talent level to meet the schemes, to meet the mind,
the football mind that he is. And again, the strange
part about all this, and this was kind of the
point of my article and the tweet and everything, is
that everyone else got fat off of this guy because
they basically listed what he did. He didn't invent the arrade,
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but he certainly took it mainstream. And two men of
a certain age, you know, to remember what Oklahoma used
to be, for example, that was that was deeply rooted
in the running game, and he went there for one
year the offensive coordinator, and all of a sudden, Oklahoma
became kind of the thing. For remember the point of
minute teams of San Bradford, and you know what Josh
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Hypel did on the way of the national championship and
great offenses that winged it all around the I mean,
they completely pivoted the New England Patriots basically ripped off
everything except for the white splits on the line. Tom
Brady became the goat by essentially running his style of offense,
but obviously with a few key tweaks. And he was
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just kind of the guy who made football more fun
and took it to the level that it is now,
where it became the thing that, yeah, we can throw
it around the yard a million times and change out
the five you know, the three to five yard run
for the five to seven yard path, and that's just
been football in the modern day now peaked to that end.
I mean throughout the day. Right, we see the coaching tree,
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we see all of that. I brought up the Hall
of Fame debate that started to rage on Twitter because
he falls just short of the winning percentage for the inclusion.
Yet you look at that coaching tree, you look at
the successes, and you wonder about, you know, how how
you get in a side door to recognize what he
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meant to the game overall. Yeah, let's start with the
college football Hall of Fame is weird. Um, So it's
you have these these rules that you had to have
been acknowledged, Uh, you know, first team all American consensus
or something, which is hard to do if you're a quarterback.
It's Joe Montana, who between the Chicken Soup Game and
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the National Championship, probably it is one of the better
college quarterbacks of all time, but can't get into the
College Football Hall of Fame. Uh. Secondly, I I will,
I will put my knowledge up college football in college
football history, up there with anybody. But about I don't
know fifty really crazy weird people out there. And god
if I know who half the people are who somehow
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get into this thing. You know, you know Earl something
or other from you know, Oregon Tech from the nineteen thirties. Okay,
I mean the the the crazy people to get in
this thing. And then also I think you have to pay.
I kind of stopped voting in a while ago. You
had to pay to vote to it, because like, you
could vote for it if you just donate a hundred
dollars to the National Football Foundation or whatever it is.
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So uh, it's look, it's fine, it's a Hall of fame.
It's it's not. No, he like again wins he did.
He never got to a conference championship. So again, I
who knows who got there in Mississippi States wins. I
get it. But in terms of pure innovation, obviously, obviously
he's one of the most influential coaches in the history
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of all of football. Well here, here's where I'm at
with him, Pete, is that you look at three places
that yet he's been right, head coach at Texas Tech,
head coach at Washington State, head coach of Mississippi State.
Three places where it is almost impossible to have a
sustained winning experience. Right, most guys go there. These are
the bridge schools. Right, I want to go. I win
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there for a couple of years, I get a bigger job.
He sustained winning at Texas Tech, sustained winning. He would
have won more in Mission State. He was already on
the way. He won a big at Washington State. He
didn't that Again, I'm not docking him, he didn't. I mean,
look what you can win at Washington State. How how
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is Washington State to win big? He can't. They did
his under Ryan Leaf and during his era at Duke
Northwestern Kansas, Wake Forest, they all got to conference championships.
So I get what you're saying. It's you know there
are Look, it's not a time to rip on it.
Obviously he belongs to the Hall of Fame. He was
again one of the great again, one of the best
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minds out there. And more than that, you know, here
the stories that come from uh everyone who you know
came in touch with the guys like there's there's all
these other stories about that you just never heard of.
Uh again, they just didn't get through the media where
here's a guy who did all these kind of you know,
off the cuff, you know kind things or things that
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just for everybody else seems normal, but's like, wow, the
you know, really the head football coach. Let you know
a bunch of students go play in the practice field,
Like obviously it seems like, you know, wow, this is amazing,
but Mike leachers like, yeah, why not, you know, let's
them play. It's their field. Like he just was kind
of for being this you know, genius football coach guy
who who created all these you know, crazy outside the box,
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you know ways of doing things. He was also sort
of just like a ray A guy in so many
ways and being like, of course, just helping out. You know,
they're countless journalists out there, countless students at student papers
and student broadcasting centers who have these stories where you know,
I I tweeted or I texted him and said, hello, coach,
can I have five minutes? And you know, forty five
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minutes later, you know, blah blah blah, and like there's
everyone's got a story about this guy is again one
of the most unique figures and colorful figures in the
history of all the football. Did you ever have any
pirate conversations with him? You know, nothing more? I actually
did not. I met him a couple of times. It
really was nothing. You know that was is colorful as
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all this other stuff, just more kind of like blah
blah football stuff. But uh, you know, like my you know,
but certainly everybody who has covered this guy has some
wild and crazy stories about all the you know, the
just the difference. You know, he's just a different guy
in so many different ways. Uh. And again to to
the original point of all this, if you are a
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foot ball fan right now because you liked the modern
era of lots of passing and lots of fun, I mean,
he probably made NFL quarterbacks. I mean, there's gonna be
some way to measure this where he probably made NFL quarterbacks.
Billions of dollars by his innovations and tweaked and what
he was able to do because everybody like, look the
temper by Bucketeers don't even run the ball now, you know,
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they just they just say, come Brady, go throw at
sixty times a game. I mean he again, all his
innovations and everything he was able to do, he carried this,
you know, from his era with Hell Mommy to start
in Kentucky when they made Tim Couch the number one
overall pick in the draft. Everywhere he was and to
your point with Washington State and Texas Tech. Yeah, you know,
those teams were a blast. They were there, that was
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that was packed twelve after dark. You had to watch
Washington Day games late. Those Texas Tech teams. You know,
guys like you know b J. Simmons and Cliff Kingsberry
and Graham Harrell. I mean, you know these are these
aren't exactly the biggest household name you know quarterbacks outside
of Kingsbury now, but like in terms of you know,
college legend, and these guys are putting up five to
six thousand yards a year with regularity. I mean, it
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was crazy how how much this this thing worked. And
uh that to your overall point again. Finally, the Texas
Tech more than Washington tap like he happened to be
at Texas Tech right with Texas and Oklahoma or the
superpowers of college football. So priming wise, it was just
a bad time to be in that big twelve South.
He's on Twitter at Pete fu Tech. That is at
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He keeps playing that drop and it's like he's waiting
for referee because it's the Morocco call. Because he's got
Morocco in our World Cup pool and if they win tomorrow,
he wins all the money and wins the World Cup pool.
He has no idea where Ty Shirt, has no idea
where Morocco is, doesn't know what any of the players are,
(29:34):
doesn't even know what what station has the World Cup?
Tight Shirt? Who? Who's who's airing the World Cup? I
think we are right? Who's we? Uh? Fox Sports Radio?
Yes that's right. Yes, Fox Sports is the home of
the World Cup. Yes, that's right. I saw the players yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,
Colin Show isn't on in the morning because we run
World Cup games, and that's right. Yeah. Uh. We had
(29:59):
an absolute unbelievable moment in the world of sports a
few moments ago. And now it's just a matter of
time before one of the biggest records of all time
goes down. Turnover in front and nantha fist shot they store.
It's eight hundred goals. Eight hundred goals for Alex Ovechkin.
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He has a hat trick tonight. The Capitals blow out
the black Hawks seven to three. Uh, and what a
great night for him with their best goal score we've
seen in the last twenty years. Just the third person
ever to get to eight hundred career goals right now,
you cannot eclipse and Wayne Gretzky blank, Look he I
(30:45):
think he may pass Gordy How in the post game
he has now one goal away from passing Gordy How.
Gordy How from time, Gordy How, Gordy How has eight
oh one. Now here's the other thing, And here's the
biggest thing, Wayne Gretzky. Yes, most goes all time? How many?
Is it eight hundred and ninety four? Well, he got
still a lot of go Alex Ovechkin. It's just a
(31:06):
matter of time before he breaks that record. Yes, he's
thirty seven years old, but he is still seven. Shut up.
But he is still scoring over forty goals a year.
I mean that's something at thirty seven to be scoring forty.
This is not something he's not like, Oh, I'm getting
there slowly. Like he went from being a fifty goal
scorer and he's scoring forty. Now he's scoring thirty five,
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he's scoring twenty eight. Now he's twenty two, twenty one,
he's scoring nineteen. He is still a forty plus goal
a year. Guy. He's gonna score at least seventeen or
eighteen maybe probably twenty more goals this year, right, I'll
probably finished right around for he's only played thirty games,
got seventeen goals, so he's got about five more goals
to go at least this year. He's gonna finish this
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year at five. He'll he'll get almost there next year.
So in two years we're gonna be talking about, Wow,
Alex Ovechkin is gonna own the greatest record in al
of hockey and one of the great records in the
history of sport. It's gonna be Alex Evenchkin. Who's gonna happen.
You think he's not gonna go Yes, injuries could always happen,
but even with injuries, he still scores. He is still
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this good and offensive player at the age of thirty seven.
You think of Tom Brady being as good as he
was at I mean, not this year, but he's still okay,
I mean, Alvechian is playing an even higher level than
those guys when they get to be that old. Yeah,
it's pretty pretty scary. You start going through and looking
at the date of his five goal, uh, you know,
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and how many games they played at that point, and
that the proliferate proliferation, the dominance that we've seen of
Ovechkin through his career. Uh, games played, and just the
operational efficiency of it all. And we go back to Gretzky.
You get to do some of those fun stats like
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you do with Hank Aaron. Well if you take out
all his goals and you just count his assists, look
at where he ranks on the all times scoring lists
and all of those things. But just and imin think achievement, uh,
with with the the way the game is played. Uh,
and really and to change. We talked about records in
the NFL not being quite the same because of the
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change will owing to Mike Leach and passing systems and
everything as it's evolved with hockey a lot of times
not not quite the same level. Right of scoring because
we we still carking back to Yager and Lemieux and
Gretzky when we start talking about Brett hole. Uh. And
now you have a Vetchkin crashing that party. Uh, first
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guy in all these years to say, hey, you know
what the new kids can do some of this too,
So good on him. Uh and goals man that just
stay healthy for another year and a half, two years,
I mean, just think about this right his age thirty
three to thirty seven year. Right, thirty three years only
had fifty one, thirty four he had thirty five, he
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got hurt, played in forty five games, still scored twenty
four goals. Okay, thirty six, he had fifty goals. Okay,
dude's thirty six. And he's still scoring fifty goals all right,
And now he's got seventeen so far in thirty games.
He'll get close to that again this year. I mean,
you know, guys playing well in advanced age. And we
talk a lot about Leonel Messi, who's thirty five and
he owns the World Cup so far, and and and
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Brady is he gonna play until he's fifty? Um, I
don't know that anybody is at the level of Ovechkin
right now, being a fifty goal a year guy still
when he's in his mid to late we're getting into
his late thirties. I mean, that's the most guys fall
off andans like, you know, I'm still he's scoring more
goals now even then he did earlier in his career,
because he was a thirty five forty goal a game
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guy back when he was in his late twenties and
now I'm just gonna keep it. I'm getting older, I'm
getting better. Man. We're that vulcanized rubber. I'm just gonna
keep putting that in the net. It's gonna it's fantastic.
So what I'm gonna do? We talk about operational efficiency
and sometimes being a little bit smarter. We were talking
about Messy and his creativity and the births that he
was showing the but dope at times where all of
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a sudden he's going turbo mode in the match earlier
today against Croatia. Same thing here with Ovechkin putting up
those kinds of numbers. Uh. Now, Messy just needs to
match him by actually winning something twitter At how about
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