January 19, 2023 • 40 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger discuss the Jaguars vs Chargers wildcard playoff game as they go more in depth on Chargers Head Coach Brandon Staley on whether he was outcoached and never felt his job was in danger. The guys also discuss Trevor Lawrence’s order at Waffle House and how it stacks up against their own orders.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two a m Eastern seven to eleven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Fox
Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every night
on the I Heart Radio app by searching fs R.
(00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Damn right there. Already
have a release day from Magic Mike Part three, Salma,
Hiak and all that. So I'm getting ready and getting
jacked up for Part four. Welcome in a beautiful Wednesday
night here from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. No Jason
Smith tonight. Instead, he's gonna block for us here across
(00:48):
the nation. It's our guy, Rich Hornburger years in the league.
You hear him down in San Diego. Here him on
the weekends part of Red Zone Radio alongside Steve Hartman.
He's a good man. He's a man who likes to
challenge get astronomy to its heights. That's right, it's my guy.
What's going on? Rich? Oh? It is so good to
(01:08):
be back on the radio. You know, it has been
several hours so, yeah, you had a couple of hours
to compose your thoughts, think about did I really say that? Right?
Did I? Did? I make the argument? But now you
get to hide from your kids, So I mean there
there is a trade off there. Yeah, I'm tucked away,
uh in my little home office and uh and I'm
(01:30):
talking to the nation and very happy to be doing it.
I like to call my show that I do in
humble little San Diego the warm up show, as I
prepare to just rock your world for the next four
hours or so, maybe four hours plus, because normally the uh,
the text chain rages on long after the show is over.
I'm excited for that as well. It's kind of the
(01:51):
way it works, the extra things that the stories that
fell to the wayside because maybe you just run out
of time, and then the general catching up because let's say,
so we lead busy lives and we're on the the
ends of the spectrum as far as children. You've got
a couple of guys running around tiny. I've got a
couple of teenage daughters that keep me hopping, A senior
and a freshman, theater kids, soccer kid. Yeah, I got
(02:14):
the best of both worlds there. But you still have
the daddy, I need you to do X for them.
It's they Daddy, just open your wallet. Dad gases out
of control. I need more money because this gas tank
is that Philly itself. It's funny. She she just passed.
My older daughter just passed her written exam here in California,
(02:35):
and well thanks at first try. It was funny. We
went last week and uh watched a bunch of people
stream in with her into the little room, and the
only two people that came out with smiles on their
faces were the two youngest people that went in. Everybody
else holding up how many times they'd failed. I really
should have recorded it. It It was cut very entertaining. The
(02:56):
woman at the at the door was like you again,
I just can't get it. It's like, okay, you know
they I wanted to say, you know, there's a couple
of books in the lobby that you can go grab
and and maybe study up a little more before you
get back in line, because odds are your memories not
so great if you're going back in right away thinking
you're fixing this. Yeah, yeah, listen. The crazy thing about
(03:18):
test taking is honestly, some of the best drivers were
the worst uh, test takers, and some of the worst
drivers really just flew through the test and they shouldn't.
They should have never gotten a license in the first place. Yeah,
And it's it's like life in general, right, I mean,
you've got a lot of folks. I mean, certainly on
the roads we could we could stipulate to that, but
(03:39):
in all walks of life, I mean there's different ways
to pass in the old school of hard knocks versus
uh that book learning or somewhere in between. I'll tell
you what I um I am right now texting. It's
a text battle as a matter if Yeah with um
with Ben Fletcher, producer ho co host. I was gonna
(04:01):
say he does he get multiple paychecks for what you
guys haven't doing down there? Now? Oh my goodness, you know,
every every witch angle he can be stuffed into a
corner at the radio station. He still hasn't left all
day long. He's woken up and gone in. At four
three this morning, he's doing a live broadcast for the
AZTECS tonight San Diego State. He's gonna be taken on
Colorado State and he's texting me. He's like, how dare
(04:23):
you call our show a humble little warm up to
what you're doing tonight. And so I say, Ben Fletcher,
I apologize, but listen, the nation needed me tonight. Sorry,
not sorry, exactly. Affiliate's nationwide global on the I Heart
Radio app, Track Sports Radio dot Com and the voice
(04:46):
in your head. That's what we are, That's what we do.
Whether you love us hate us, You're informed, entertained and raged, engaged,
whatever it is, we got you here Fox Sports Radio.
Uh my guy Rich Ornberger filling for Jason Smith tonight.
Last night he was at Disneyland. I have no idea
of his whereabouts tonight. I tried to get confirmation from
(05:07):
Disney security about any run ins with a guy in
a Syracuse sweatshirt. They would neither confirm nor deny said incidents.
We debated trying to get them live on air last
night from the park, but we decided and we got
other stuff to do. We got other stuff to do.
So uh at orn Berger where you find him? O
H R N B E R G E R. Hear
(05:29):
him on Sports seven sixty down in San Diego. Obviously
you mentioned the San Diego state as texts and and
their pursuits as it relates to basketball which is the
perfect segue into the future Pack twelve squad that they
will be uh the the idea that um we had
(05:50):
schedule released and it felt like the NFL because everybody
kept tweeting about the schedules coming out for the Pack
twelve and where the pitfalls were in certain lay a
lot of eyes on what's going on in Colorado and
already trying to figure out the over under for Dion
Sanders in his first year and September, here's all the
individual battles that will go on that day when they
(06:12):
take on usc Really was kind of entertaining to watch
that unfold when we've got so many months left and
we we really haven't even uh digested that debacle that
went down at so far with Georgia last week. Oh
my goodness. Yeah, college football that it does it every
year to us, and it's it's usually in the semifinal round,
but it has happened multiple times now in the National
(06:35):
championship game where one team gets so brutally outclassed and
completely ragged alled around the field that the announcers on
the other side a halftime are literally openly talking about,
you know, some of the food and concessions they are
joining from the stadium. Uh, you know, talking about maybe
(06:55):
some of the new styles that that these different players
are wearing as they walk in from the buses to
the stadium that evening. They're trying to do as many
players sideline interviews as they possibly can, just to kill
the clock literally from a broadcast standpoint, because nobody's interested
in seeing uh, you know, manslaughter, because that's what it
(07:18):
turns into. Right. The rest of the game becomes how
much can we we vamp? And if we're gonna talk
about transfer portals, talk about the recruiting classes, what is
this team gonna look like next year? Can they three pete?
Is this what's gonna happen? Yeah, all of those things.
It beats the alternative, which is the NFL side, where
(07:38):
the announcers might as well be playing on their phones.
They're not disinterested when a game kind of goes south.
They're playing worrible and uh and the rest of America
just is weeping or slamming a bud heavy and just
wishing that things were different for either the team they're
rooting for, just for their interests in sport altogether. But yeah,
you know, things are changing in a hurry. And I
(08:00):
think Dion Sanders, love him or hate him, you know,
this is a guy who understands politics. Politics have changed
in a big way. Michael Harmon. I mean, we are
looking at a time now where all attention is positive attention.
It doesn't matter how you get it. As long as
you have the eye or the ire of the nation,
(08:22):
you are going to probably benefit from that. And Deon
Sanders knows that. And so that's the reason why he
publicly dismissed players who were currently at Colorado making the
program suck. And that's the reason why he's he's shown
up on on every commercial promoting the new school because look,
the more he flashes his trademark smile uh and his
(08:46):
and his clever wit and and he talks about this
this football program or even the basketball program, the athletic
department in general, he's going to get more and more
recruits or transfers interested in coming out to Colorado. And
I think the scheduling for that team was brilliant. Starting
their season with Texas Christian. That's going to benefit them
(09:08):
oh so much in terms of ratings and views and
clicks and national coverage, etcetera. So I mean It's kind
of one of those things where you can't hate the player,
you gotta hate the game. No, and that's just it.
It's all about you utilizing what's at your disposal. One
of my biggest gripes with Northwestern not the performance on
the field this year, which I had many many along
(09:31):
Saturday morning. Uh, it's streaming the game while doing whatever,
hanging out with my daughters and they watched me curse
and throw things at television screens. But the bigger thing
was it was a school set up, at least on paper,
perfectly to take advantage of this new world order of
n I l given the prominence of so many people
(09:52):
from the school in business, in academia, in entertainment certainly,
not not I'm myself notwithstanding you know, all of those
things that have come to play. But they were late
to the game and they finally announced their collective I
want to say, maybe two months ago, maybe three. But
either way, it's like, where were those two years you had?
(10:13):
You had a first mover advantage because you've got kids
that do their internships down at the Board of Trade,
all of these different things, all the different entertainment vehicles
in Chicago. Uh, and let's face it, it's a national
school as small as as it is and a laughing
stock for some. But you can all beat it. Uh.
They pam canceled tonight. By the way, I'd be remiss
(10:34):
if I didn't mention that, uh COVID outbreak amongst the team. Uh.
And so the game against Iowa was canceled today. A
little bit of an oddity. In three we've gotten so
used to a world where COVID really hasn't gotten in
the way of enjoying anything. But uh, but there you have.
It's still sort of lingering in the very near distance, uh,
(10:55):
as as a potential threat to getting your schedule played
out fully. Yeah, so they you know, just to finish
the point, you know where where you have an audience,
you go grab it. Right. Dion was part of the
Monday night football game with the Manning brothers, all right,
and they had that great exchange on the Uh what
I still think is one of the shoddiest calls going. Hey,
(11:17):
he landed on the quarterback. Yeah, let's call that a
personal fall. But he got very animated about how's that
a fall? How's that a penalty? And Peyton's like I agree, Like,
wait the quarterback agrees me. Meanwhile, I was like, no,
he got him. He got him a little in the helmet,
but again taking every platform, every opportunity, showing up at
every event to go and evangelize what he's doing, the
(11:40):
program they're trying to build, and saw more more clips
coming out of you know how they're doing meetings and
whatever else. So you know, you try to utilize that
brand because the thing with Dion is, you know, he's
not a guy that's so far in the past as
a player that he's not still you know that he's
that's off the resume. It's whatever Dion pitchman, slash coach
(12:01):
like people that are in the NFL now still cite
him as their inspiration. I was just going to agree
with everything you just said. I mean, like the reality
that we live in right now, Dion Sanders is the
perfect character to play protagonist. You know that this is
in some eighties movie where the guy with the brash
(12:23):
attitude and you know, the the and the and the
you know kind of the muscles and and and the
smoothness is the bully. You know that that's not what
this is. That's the cool guy. The loudest voice gets
the most attention these days, and and Dion knows how
to sell and he knows that again in front of
a camera, and he's he's unabashed about it. That's the
(12:44):
other thing, Like you have to be willing to sell
out just a little bit more each day if you
want to stay in front of that camera. And you
just have to realize that even though a piece of
your soul is traded off every time you do that,
like us on radio and television, no question about it.
I'm telling you, anybody who's ever performed for anybody understands
(13:06):
that feeling. And as long as you keep what's what's
important to you at the core, right you know, whether
it's building a program for Dion Sanders or making the
most amount of money you possibly can in generating generation
generational well for his family, if that's what motivates him,
whatever it is that he keeps out his core that
keeps him going, obviously is a strong enough motivator for
(13:26):
him to take a Jackson State program that you know,
lived in relative obscurity as an HBCU to national prominence
and attention for what he did, and transformed that program
into and then part laying that into a head coaching
job at Colorado State. Again, detractors will say it's annoying,
but people who understand the climate we're in an attention economy,
(13:52):
will say he did it perfectly. He played he played
this whole situation like a harp. And again, don't hate
the player, hate the game. It is just the world
we're living in right now. And I think the summary
statement use the word part lay. I'd be remiss if
I didn't give a nod to countdown to kick off
the show you do every Saturday three hours before the
(14:14):
kickoff of games here on Fox Sports Radio. You'll find
that wherever, uh you know, whatever your local affiliate is,
and obviously on the Heart radio app. But it always
comes down to this, if I'm gonna I'm gonna fail.
I'm gonna fail spectacularly, and Dion swinging big and there's
twenty of folks working, you know, cheering for him to fail.
(14:35):
And if it if it does well, it does, but
you gave it your your best shot. And that's all
well we can anybody can ask of rich Rinburger in
for Jason Smith tonight on My Carmen As we come
to you live from the Tire Iraq. Dot Com Studios
coming out. Next, we'll talk about one of your former
teams in the NFL, Rich, because I know you have
a lot to say on it, particularly after the coach
(14:57):
spoke a little bit earlier. Today. You can talk a
lot about how complicated other banks make it to redeem
credit card rewards are. You can talk about how we
discover you can redeem your rewards for cash on any
amount anytime. I mean, talk about amazing learn more discovered
dot com slash redeemed rewards limitations they do apply. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show
(15:19):
with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
Whip channeling the late Grant Gene Uncle and come on
in if you will. Jason Smith Show with Me Mike
Harmen here Fox Sports Radio. No Jason Smith tonight. He'll
be back tomorrow after a couple of days, sojourn a
(15:41):
little rest and relaxation. Finals week for a lot of school.
So maybe he's just standing over his daughter's shoulder making
sure that she is studying instead of playing on TikTok,
or maybe helping to encourage what the search algorithm for
her tiktoki and world should be uh In is in
his stead. Rich orn Burger is with us. You hear
him on the weekends here countdown to kick Off, as
(16:02):
well as Red Zone Radio hosting five mornings a week
down in San Diego, San Diego State, uh Man about town,
probably lecturing in some classes or at local eateries, I mean,
and shepherding a couple of young men do future NFL
lineman status? Did I get it all in? Yeah? You
pretty much now? And loving husbands in case the wife
(16:24):
is listening, adoring father. Yeah. But then but we start
adding that in, it sounds like we're writing your epitaph
or I'm reading a eulogy on air. Now, let's not
do that based on Dona consumption. If you're not, if
you're if you're not busy this offseason, you know. No,
that's good. I figured we have a food podcast or
something to come in the future here, so we'll work
(16:47):
on that. Figure out all of the food sources in
between San Diego and and where I am up in
in Redondo. Uh and just start showing up Guy Fietti's
style and yelling at them. I'm like, yeah, no, I
think there's there's something to be done there. Uh More
yelling also done on Saturday night as we watched a
twenty seven point lead evaporate for the Los Angeles Charges
(17:11):
as I almost called them San Diego. We'll talk about that.
We can also talk about how complicated other banks make
it to redeem credit card rewards. We can talk about
how we Discovery you can redeem rewards for cash in
any amount and any time. I mean talk about amazing
learn more at discovered dot com slash redeem rewards terms
do apply. And we got to halftime of that game,
(17:31):
Rich and that first touchdown by the Jaguars. I raised
my eye. Brown said, well, maybe I don't know. You
can't play nearly as badly as you did for most
of the first half, right, so maybe possibly this this
could start to go awry. And I could not have
imagined what I ended up watching in the second half,
(17:52):
to the point where my daughters, who normally don't care
a lick about football, because let's face it, football has
been the enemy and taken Dad away. Are large chunks
of time, uh you know, under the guys of watching
and studying games and doing radio and whatever. But they
sat and they're like, Wow, this is really something. Huh Like, yeah, no,
this is uh, this is special and not special in
(18:14):
a good way. As we watched that lead for itter away,
I noted, and look, folks can just do the the
box score reading of just the Hey, they only ran
the ball so many times. It was when they ran
the ball rich the only runs coming on first intense. Yeah. Yeah,
Now listen, I mean there there needed to be a
blood letting, right because anytime something goes that wrong, um,
(18:39):
you have to fix it. And and in action sometimes
is worse than bad action, right because what does inaction
say to the troops. It means, hey, guys, we think
we're just fine. We're pretty satisfied with a with a
twenty seven point uh giveaway more more than that obviously
in the second half. Uh, it's just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous.
(19:01):
To what we all witnessed it, it seemed it seemed impossible.
But then again, when you have a special player like
Trevor Lawrence clearly is when you have a special coach
like Doug Peterson clearly has proved, uh, anything's possible. And
and the NFL has taught us that time and time again.
You will be punished for your mistakes, and if you
(19:23):
make enough of them in quick succession, uh, you're gonna
get found out. And that's exactly what happened to the Chargers. Now,
do I think it was absolutely necessary that they fire
the offensive coordinator because things were just not working at
all with him? Maybe not, but from a public relations standpoint,
from a keeping your team engaged and believing in the
(19:46):
message that not good enough is not good enough, something
had to happen. And so, unfortunately, in a big boy
business like the NFL, head will roll when you have
an outcome that just appointing, Well, you gotta have a
fall guy. We we know, we know that. So Joe Lombardi,
Shane Day are are left off the three roster. They
(20:09):
are looking at their work as we go forward. Brandon
Staley will remain Now. He had his presser today and
I wanted to highlight this one from our our dear friend,
my former colleague on Sunday Mornings, l A timescribe Bill
plash Key asking, Uh, well, I think the question we
we all had in our minds. I thought it was
(20:34):
a tight game. I thought that for a half, you know,
I thought I wouldn't say that was the case for
a half. You know, I think at the end of
the game, you know, that team that we were playing
showed a lot of fight, a lot of resilience. I
thought it was a high quality game against two teams
that are are both young and hungry. Um, and so
I thought it was just a high level game all
the way around. It wasn't like that for a half. Yeah,
(20:57):
I mean, wait that that. I mean, that's like a
five year old responding at the dinner table, you didn't
need all your beach Well I had that one. I think.
I think the correct response is, yeah, yeah, I did.
I did get out coached by Doug Peterson for an
entire half of football, and he got out coached by
me for an entire half of football. And the unfortunate
(21:19):
reality is we all as coaches, as players need to
learn how to put together an entire game, because the
reality is, if the Chargers play a second half like
they did the first half, we're singing a very different
tune about Brandon Staley, Right, you know, if if Doug
Peterson got embarrassed by the Chargers, we're talking about the
(21:41):
Jaguars in a much dimmer light than we are today. Well,
we saw it at halftime. Rich a lot of folks
were doing the same old Jaguars line right of well,
I guess they're still not ready. And Lawrence the interceptions,
you know, you could argue about contact whatever. We we
had officiating fun, uh and excitement all weekend long into
(22:02):
Monday night. That we still have some head scratchers along
the way. But in suffice to say, he had one
of the worst half statistically that we've ever seen, and
the Chargers took full advantage. Not that they were dominant,
they just they capitalized, right, and you finished the job.
And it's what I always argue when when folks were
getting on and calling the Vikings the worst defense in
(22:25):
the world all seasons, like, well, statistically, which category you want?
You want to do yards? You can do yards. I
think that's dumb, but that's what everybody started sighting as
that made them the worst defense in the league. And
Bill Belichick backed me by saying, no, it's about how
many points you give up, right, and that's the end game.
And well, for the Vikings, well we saw how that ended.
(22:46):
But the point was they were they good, No, but
they weren't last in that that all important category. But
here you had a half where everything that could go
wrong did and then you had to manage the thirty
minutes and it didn't matter, you know. And and I
thought with Jason a bit about this the other night,
was it didn't matter that you had a run game
(23:07):
that was inefficient? Was it efficient all year? That's a whole, other,
whole other problem that they have that firing the path
the quarterbacks coach Shane Day ain't gonna help, right, The
passing game coordinator ain't gonna be there because Austin Ekeler
caught over a hundred five hundred passes out of the backfield,
so we could say those are extended runs. So if
(23:27):
we want to get into where the NFL is these days,
you can tell tell better than me, you know, having played.
You know, we we try to compartmentalize things, but it
all flows together. But the fact that you really didn't
commit to it when a run play, even if ineffective,
takes nearly a minute off the clock, is just silly
(23:47):
to me. I I can't imagine a worse coached or
played half. I mean, they didn't execute, uh, I think
the game plan was ridiculously vanilla or the Chargers and
especially after having as successful a half as they had
in the first half. Again, like I said, do I
(24:09):
think that the firing of Joe Lombardi or the firing
of Shane Day necessarily fixes anything. No, not not immediately
and and maybe not perceivably, right, I mean, they could
come back next year in the offense could look just
as good or just as bad depending on your perception
of things as it did a season ago. Maybe they'll
have more luck with more health of their star players.
(24:32):
You know, Keenan Allen was injured for a lot of
the season, so is Mike Williams. Austin Ekeler proved to
be an ironman, and Justin Herbert played through some stuff. Man,
he he was hurt to start this season, um and
was a warrior about it. But but the reality is
it's a combination of things. It's never just one thing.
So a lot of people are saying, hey, Brandon Staley
(24:53):
has to go, Yeah, okay, that's fine, but then who's next?
Because it didn't work with Mike McCoy, and it didn't
work with Anthony Lynn, and it didn't so far work
as well as you'd like with Brandon Stalely. However, I
will say this, we're we're noticing an upward trajectory. You know,
(25:14):
made it to the final game of the regular season
last year and they got knocked knocked out of the
playoff contention by the Raiders. Okay, well, next year they
make it to the wild card round. Do I expect
them to win the division next year? Well? Not with
Patrick Mahomes in the way. But is the expectation now
for them to get to the playoffs with a quarterback
is talented as Justin Herbert, an elite defense, when they're
all playing the way they should be. Yeah, the expectation
(25:36):
is they should win a playoff game. And if you're
going to set your sights higher than that, well I
don't know what to tell you. I mean, level your
expectations off at some point because everything is a work
in progress. Rome was not built overnight, and so I
realized the world is after Brandon Staley today. But I
(25:57):
actually appreciate and I rarely stay positive things about this organization,
especially after what they did to the city of San
Diego and how much that's affected me personally and the
people who I broadcast to on a near daily basis.
I think slow playing the firing of head coaches is
probably the more intelligent move, especially when there's value. This
(26:18):
team was listless at the end of the tenure with
Anthony Lynn, and it's been somewhat recovered by the charisma
and maybe some of the novel thought process that Brandon
Stally has brought to this locker room and to the
game planning. So let's see where this goes again. They
offered their sacrificial lands. The blood letting has taken place,
(26:40):
Joe Lombardi and Shane day walk. We'll see if that
hasn't any impact on what we see out of this
team next season. Now. Staley, as part of this pressure,
was also asked just point blank about whether you know
the the job security question that we all had on
our minds. I am aware of the speculation, you know,
because I have to be briefed of it, you know,
and I do have a family, so I understand that
(27:03):
um that cares about me. But I was not worried
about that because I know what goes on here on
a day to day basis. Yeah, there's there's a couple
of things. As you mentioned, you know, it's slow playing firings.
We've seen the exact opposite in the National Football League
a lot more one and duns Or two, and duns
Or extends you and then fire you the next year
and still give you a giant check Kingsbury, uh and
(27:26):
and go go yeah hey, and then the photo array.
We thank him for that bountiful about he's got a
large bounty there. But it's the idea that he got
through some of the fourth down questions and analytics and
fighting that went on last year. This year, like the
(27:47):
Mike Williams situation, is still one to me that that
stands out now. Mike Williams has been on again, off again,
and we talk about meaningless what is and isn't when
it comes to players and games and and everything else.
But to lose him to that injury certainly is huge.
I also want to know from the Charger standpoint, right,
(28:09):
it's I didn't expect them to fire him, just unless
it's always who can you go and get better? So
unless Sean Payton was side sealed and delivered already, uh
than than who else is out there that you love
perhaps more? I don't didn't expect Spanos to suddenly cut
a check alluding to you and the good folks of
San Diego down there. Uh that he was gonna say,
(28:31):
here's a check to go away. But it's just the
the larger, larger perspective for me beyond the coaching side
is for a couple of years now, I want to
know what's going on in the training room. Yeah, there's
a lot of injuries. Every year, You're losing a ton
of man games two two injuries at key positions, So
(28:55):
that that's one area of the organization that also needs
to be looked at, even though it's not as visible
as the coaches on the sidelines. Yeah, and you said
it right. It's been a problem for years. It's been
something that's kind of confounded every coach that's taken over
since the North Turner days. I don't know what the
Magical Licks or other NFL teams seemed to have to
(29:15):
keep their star players healthy, but it's just not has
been the case with the Chargers, whether they've been in
San Diego up in Los Angeles, it seems like that
bad streak of health luck follows them. Maybe just need
to go get one of those sage brushes from Kyrie Irring.
He's been playing most nights, so he doesn't need it
right now. So we'll go find another one. He's Rich
(29:36):
jorin burger in for Jason Smith, Ob Mike Carmen coming
up next. We'll talk about what's your favorite order? And
I didn't know you could get reservations there. Yeah, it's
the story sweeping the NFL. But first it's Monse Malagas.
She's got an update on what's trending in our sporting universe. Mons,
how are you dominating? Hey that rich? Look at us
(29:57):
on a Wednesday, not on a Sunday. I feel good
about it. Yeah, I feel good. Start talking like this stats,
I got boxed, I got it all memorized. What you do?
Have it all meant Hartman on a Wednesday? Here, Now
(30:20):
you're on it. That's it. It's like he's here. It's
like he's here, only he's not. I don't know if
Brandon Staley needed to be briefed because all he had
to do was open Twitter for like forty eight hours
because he was trending, so nobody needed to brief him.
He just needed to go on social media one second
and he could see what they were saying about him. Anyways,
let's move on to the NBA. Two games going on.
(30:41):
My annoying Clippers because nobody's playing, guys, nobody's playing for
the Clippers tonight. No Paul George, no Kauai Leonard, no
Luke Kenard. Stop me. If you've heard nobody, nobody at
all at all, might as well. But there's the team
that's gonna charge up in the second half. Yes, you
got you all right? Yes that sounds that's it's about right.
(31:02):
Jack has are up on the Clippers eight eight to
seventy three, three minutes to go in the third quarter.
Timberwolves and Nuggets going at it, and the Nuggets are
up thirty to twenty two a little over a minute
to go in the first quarter. Nicola yoke already thirteen points.
But the Grizzlies, they have won eleven in a row,
and this game, it was all thanks to Steven Adams.
Brand with it three second affrential close by a chorin
(31:25):
in lane, lays it up now good tap by Adams
home barre kids to the window, missed the lay up
and the left hand Adams puts the Grizzlies up one.
Grizzlies Radio network on the call. That was the last
basket of the game, and the Grizzlies beat the Cavaliers
one fifteen to one fourteen. The Hawks have won four
in a row. They defeated the Mavericks one thirty two
(31:47):
one twenty two. Maps have lost five out of their
last six games. No bueno in college hoops. Seaton Hall
with a major upset over Number fifteen Yukon sixty seven
to sixty six was the final will score the Huskies
at one point, We're up by seventeen. They did not
score in the final six minutes and fifty one seconds
of the game. Again, no bueno. In the NFL. The Cowboys,
(32:11):
after saying no, we're not gonna look at kickers liars,
they have signed kicker Tristan Viskano to their practice squad
and kicker Jason Myers He's not going anywhere. He and
the Seahawks have agreed on a four year contract extension
with twenty one point one million. He is now the
second highest paid kicker in the NFL, behind Baltimore's Justin Tucker.
Of course, back to you guys, thank you so much,
(32:32):
and all of those kickers up for contracts. You send
a box of chocolates. I'm down to our our guy
Monday night man. A little bit of help. We'll get
into that game a little more in Earnest coming up
in twenty minutes. Uh, thanks, mons, appreciate you. We can
talk about how complicated other banks make it to redeem
credit card rewards, or we can talk about how we
(32:52):
discover you can redeem your rewards for cash and any
amount at any time. I mean talk about amazing learn
more discover dot com last redeemed rewards terms they do apply.
Coming up next Late Night Eating and the premium on it.
I got a name plate, do you? We'll talk about
it next year on Fox. Be sure to catch live
(33:14):
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Polly foustco here
with Tony Fusco. As you all know, we're the host
of the number one rated show in all the sports talk,
The Folly and Tony Fusco Show Numero No Yeah, And
we know why millions of people tune in every week.
They want to hear us talk sports, not idiot guests
(33:37):
who think they know more about sports than we though
he listened to the dummies. Don't crap about. This is
the worst things off the shop. You don't know if
you want to hear how sports talk should be done.
Listen to the Folly and Tony Fusco Show on the
I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get
(33:58):
your podcasts. MHM, locked in loaded here Fox Sports Radio.
Jason spent show with me, Mike Carmen, No Jason Smith tonight.
He'll be back tomorrow. So in his stead my guy
Rich Hornburger. You hear him here on the network, hear
(34:18):
him down in San Diego. He shows up everywhere. Frans
Man Man about town years in the league. So we'll
get into trying to pick the brain of Rich as
related to some of the theoretical and philosophical battles we're having,
trying to read between the lines of what some quarterbacks
are saying, what some teams are saying, uh, and all
(34:41):
of those fun things. As we go in about ten
minutes from now, we'll get into a little of the
fallout from the Monday night football game the well, because
you have to do at least one Brady Conversation per
show or you're just not trying. We can talk about
how complicated other banks make it to redeem credit card rewards,
or we can talk about how we discover you can
read eam your rewards for cash in any amount of
(35:02):
any time. I mean talk about amazing learn more discovered
dot com slash redeemed rewards terms do apply. But let's
go to another quarterback in our favorite subject food. Now,
we found out after the game on Saturday night, the
giant comeback that we just described with the Jaguars and
the man known as Sunshine. All right, remember the Titans
also known as Trevor Lawrence, also known as the Next Guy.
(35:24):
All of those things that he had, the monster second
half and now being celebrated. So what did he decide
to do? Well, he went to waffle House and of
course over the last forty eight hours, a lot of
speculation about different things, and well, you can choose anywhere
and everything, but what did you pick? Well, yeah, I
(35:46):
was talking to Brandon and I can't remember as Brandon
Sheriff and someone maybe e J hadn't ever been a
waff house in their life. So that was like a
week or two ago, and I was saying, we gotta
go one day after the game, and then last week
it's almost like, once we win on Sunday, we're going
a waff hole. So Marissa actually called and I talked
to the wa about like reserving part of it, and
(36:07):
they're like, well, if he gives the heads up, we
can kind of like clear some people out of one
area and yeah, and and have you got some spots safe.
They did that and it was great. We had like
twenty guys there. Yeah, maybe the first reservational wafflus So
what's it depends that? That night I got the Texas
bake and cheese steak with hash browns with cheese and
(36:30):
a pecan waffle. So it just it depends. Yeah. So
sometimes like at the All Star you know, it depends
on I feel like you werens of the way that
with the proper barbage. What is a smothered is cheese?
Is that correct? I just say cheese. I do just
say cheese. Trevor Lawrence thinking to bring me whatever the
hell I want, Dude, I I love that order. And
(36:52):
and I'll say this right now, he's spot on with
the waffle of the pecan waffle is the move dump
a whole lot of maple syrup on that. And I
also like the fact that he said, well, it depends
you know one of my Yeah, Like I'm I'm a
man who enjoys variety. I'm a guy who walks into
a restaurant, even if I'm a regular, and I want
to peruse the menu a little bit and see what
(37:14):
the specials are. Um, but I do have a go
to order and it's it's been it's been a while,
but I I got you at the waffle house. Yeah
all right. Uh. It starts with the egg breakfast, just
the eggs and the toast. I like my eggs, uh
over easy. That's why I could dip them with the toast,
little catchup salt pepper, and then um, that comes with
(37:37):
the choice of grits or the hash Browns. And you'll
understand why I go with the grits. I want grits.
I want extra butter on the grits. That's important. You
want a creamy grit. I've always said that. You know
that about me. And then when it comes to the
hash Browns, I actually go with their hash brown Bowl,
the sausage, egg and cheese hash brown Bowls bowl. Dude,
(37:59):
learning so much life changing. Dump a little hot sauce
in there you're feeling good, and then of course to
become waffle I think that's the best offering on the menu. Frankly,
and I refuse to leave a waffle house without eating one. Well,
it feels like, you know, you go to a pancake
house or a waffle house. If you don't walk out
with something that's actually in the title of the place, yeah,
(38:20):
you've kind of failed. Yeah, and you probably made someone
in the kitchen sad. That's right, a pancake or waffle
everybody knows that every single employee at every waffle house
is an expert trained waffle maker. And if you somehow
besmirched their great reputation by walking out of there not
(38:42):
eating one, I mean you'll have a frying pan offside
your head. I've seemed worse those I tell you that
things have escalated for far less than this world, especially
at a waffle house. No, it's it. Yeah, you can't
do not mess with their employees. I mean, if there
is a group of impro impro employees that is willing
to throw row down, have a little fisticuffs with you
if you get out of line, it is the staff
(39:04):
at a waffall. I feel like we now need a
group road trip. Tie Shirt will come with us, Monc
I know is on board and and we'll do. Uh.
Then then if we have to rumble. We'll at least
have numbers. Yeah, that's true. We'll have We'll have, like
you know, at least eight pairs of knuckles. Um, yeah,
it's important. We'll get the lady Marissa. I guess it's
a girlfriend or a wife of Trevor Lawrence on on
(39:25):
the horn. Maybe she could make a reservation for us.
She's got the magic. No, that's pretty good. I mean
the it's got to go on the menu because you
figure by time that game ended. It's also what else
is open in Jacksonville? Now, I'm if I'm a small
business owner, I'm opening up every damn thing, and I'm like,
come on in and eat and drink. And if the
cops come and tell me, I'm I'm beyond my uh
(39:46):
my license for this night, I'm gonna get over it.
And by the way, go ahead, wh Corporate, I mean,
you better get on the Trevor Lawrence special. I mean,
this would be an n I L situation if never was,
if he was still at Clemson. It's like that guy
that had the refrigerator what was his name in the
Midwest that had the refrigerator eventually the coldest Remember he
(40:10):
had the air conditioning he eventually transferred. But it's just
something's just right themselves. Yeah yeah, I mean, get the
Lawrence Slam or whatever you wanna call it. I mean,
I'll have to write it down and save it for posterity.
The next time I can go to a waffle house.
See if they laugh me out of the joint. All right, now,
I want waffles. We'll have to figure that out. Maybe
(40:32):
one of these names, maybe Sunday who knows he's rich
orin Burger And for Jason Smith, I'm Mike Carmen. Coming
up next Fallout Conversation as we head into the Divisional
round in the NFL
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two a m Eastern seven to eleven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Fox
Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every night
on the I Heart Radio app by searching fs R.
(00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Damn right there. Already
have a release day from Magic Mike Part three, Salma,
Hiak and all that. So I'm getting ready and getting
jacked up for Part four. Welcome in a beautiful Wednesday
night here from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. No Jason
Smith tonight. Instead, he's gonna block for us here across
(00:48):
the nation. It's our guy, Rich Hornburger years in the league.
You hear him down in San Diego. Here him on
the weekends part of Red Zone Radio alongside Steve Hartman.
He's a good man. He's a man who likes to
challenge get astronomy to its heights. That's right, it's my guy.
What's going on? Rich? Oh? It is so good to
(01:08):
be back on the radio. You know, it has been
several hours so, yeah, you had a couple of hours
to compose your thoughts, think about did I really say that? Right?
Did I? Did? I make the argument? But now you
get to hide from your kids, So I mean there
there is a trade off there. Yeah, I'm tucked away,
uh in my little home office and uh and I'm
(01:30):
talking to the nation and very happy to be doing it.
I like to call my show that I do in
humble little San Diego the warm up show, as I
prepare to just rock your world for the next four
hours or so, maybe four hours plus, because normally the uh,
the text chain rages on long after the show is over.
I'm excited for that as well. It's kind of the
(01:51):
way it works, the extra things that the stories that
fell to the wayside because maybe you just run out
of time, and then the general catching up because let's say,
so we lead busy lives and we're on the the
ends of the spectrum as far as children. You've got
a couple of guys running around tiny. I've got a
couple of teenage daughters that keep me hopping, A senior
and a freshman, theater kids, soccer kid. Yeah, I got
(02:14):
the best of both worlds there. But you still have
the daddy, I need you to do X for them.
It's they Daddy, just open your wallet. Dad gases out
of control. I need more money because this gas tank
is that Philly itself. It's funny. She she just passed.
My older daughter just passed her written exam here in California,
(02:35):
and well thanks at first try. It was funny. We
went last week and uh watched a bunch of people
stream in with her into the little room, and the
only two people that came out with smiles on their
faces were the two youngest people that went in. Everybody
else holding up how many times they'd failed. I really
should have recorded it. It It was cut very entertaining. The
(02:56):
woman at the at the door was like you again,
I just can't get it. It's like, okay, you know
they I wanted to say, you know, there's a couple
of books in the lobby that you can go grab
and and maybe study up a little more before you
get back in line, because odds are your memories not
so great if you're going back in right away thinking
you're fixing this. Yeah, yeah, listen. The crazy thing about
(03:18):
test taking is honestly, some of the best drivers were
the worst uh, test takers, and some of the worst
drivers really just flew through the test and they shouldn't.
They should have never gotten a license in the first place. Yeah,
And it's it's like life in general, right, I mean,
you've got a lot of folks. I mean, certainly on
the roads we could we could stipulate to that, but
(03:39):
in all walks of life, I mean there's different ways
to pass in the old school of hard knocks versus
uh that book learning or somewhere in between. I'll tell
you what I um I am right now texting. It's
a text battle as a matter if Yeah with um
with Ben Fletcher, producer ho co host. I was gonna
(04:01):
say he does he get multiple paychecks for what you
guys haven't doing down there? Now? Oh my goodness, you know,
every every witch angle he can be stuffed into a
corner at the radio station. He still hasn't left all
day long. He's woken up and gone in. At four
three this morning, he's doing a live broadcast for the
AZTECS tonight San Diego State. He's gonna be taken on
Colorado State and he's texting me. He's like, how dare
(04:23):
you call our show a humble little warm up to
what you're doing tonight. And so I say, Ben Fletcher,
I apologize, but listen, the nation needed me tonight. Sorry,
not sorry, exactly. Affiliate's nationwide global on the I Heart
Radio app, Track Sports Radio dot Com and the voice
(04:46):
in your head. That's what we are, That's what we do.
Whether you love us hate us, You're informed, entertained and raged, engaged,
whatever it is, we got you here Fox Sports Radio.
Uh my guy Rich Ornberger filling for Jason Smith tonight.
Last night he was at Disneyland. I have no idea
of his whereabouts tonight. I tried to get confirmation from
(05:07):
Disney security about any run ins with a guy in
a Syracuse sweatshirt. They would neither confirm nor deny said incidents.
We debated trying to get them live on air last
night from the park, but we decided and we got
other stuff to do. We got other stuff to do.
So uh at orn Berger where you find him? O
H R N B E R G E R. Hear
(05:29):
him on Sports seven sixty down in San Diego. Obviously
you mentioned the San Diego state as texts and and
their pursuits as it relates to basketball which is the
perfect segue into the future Pack twelve squad that they
will be uh the the idea that um we had
(05:50):
schedule released and it felt like the NFL because everybody
kept tweeting about the schedules coming out for the Pack
twelve and where the pitfalls were in certain lay a
lot of eyes on what's going on in Colorado and
already trying to figure out the over under for Dion
Sanders in his first year and September, here's all the
individual battles that will go on that day when they
(06:12):
take on usc Really was kind of entertaining to watch
that unfold when we've got so many months left and
we we really haven't even uh digested that debacle that
went down at so far with Georgia last week. Oh
my goodness. Yeah, college football that it does it every
year to us, and it's it's usually in the semifinal round,
but it has happened multiple times now in the National
(06:35):
championship game where one team gets so brutally outclassed and
completely ragged alled around the field that the announcers on
the other side a halftime are literally openly talking about,
you know, some of the food and concessions they are
joining from the stadium. Uh, you know, talking about maybe
(06:55):
some of the new styles that that these different players
are wearing as they walk in from the buses to
the stadium that evening. They're trying to do as many
players sideline interviews as they possibly can, just to kill
the clock literally from a broadcast standpoint, because nobody's interested
in seeing uh, you know, manslaughter, because that's what it
(07:18):
turns into. Right. The rest of the game becomes how
much can we we vamp? And if we're gonna talk
about transfer portals, talk about the recruiting classes, what is
this team gonna look like next year? Can they three pete?
Is this what's gonna happen? Yeah, all of those things.
It beats the alternative, which is the NFL side, where
(07:38):
the announcers might as well be playing on their phones.
They're not disinterested when a game kind of goes south.
They're playing worrible and uh and the rest of America
just is weeping or slamming a bud heavy and just
wishing that things were different for either the team they're
rooting for, just for their interests in sport altogether. But yeah,
you know, things are changing in a hurry. And I
(08:00):
think Dion Sanders, love him or hate him, you know,
this is a guy who understands politics. Politics have changed
in a big way. Michael Harmon. I mean, we are
looking at a time now where all attention is positive attention.
It doesn't matter how you get it. As long as
you have the eye or the ire of the nation,
(08:22):
you are going to probably benefit from that. And Deon
Sanders knows that. And so that's the reason why he
publicly dismissed players who were currently at Colorado making the
program suck. And that's the reason why he's he's shown
up on on every commercial promoting the new school because look,
the more he flashes his trademark smile uh and his
(08:46):
and his clever wit and and he talks about this
this football program or even the basketball program, the athletic
department in general, he's going to get more and more
recruits or transfers interested in coming out to Colorado. And
I think the scheduling for that team was brilliant. Starting
their season with Texas Christian. That's going to benefit them
(09:08):
oh so much in terms of ratings and views and
clicks and national coverage, etcetera. So I mean It's kind
of one of those things where you can't hate the player,
you gotta hate the game. No, and that's just it.
It's all about you utilizing what's at your disposal. One
of my biggest gripes with Northwestern not the performance on
the field this year, which I had many many along
(09:31):
Saturday morning. Uh, it's streaming the game while doing whatever,
hanging out with my daughters and they watched me curse
and throw things at television screens. But the bigger thing
was it was a school set up, at least on paper,
perfectly to take advantage of this new world order of
n I l given the prominence of so many people
(09:52):
from the school in business, in academia, in entertainment certainly,
not not I'm myself notwithstanding you know, all of those
things that have come to play. But they were late
to the game and they finally announced their collective I
want to say, maybe two months ago, maybe three. But
either way, it's like, where were those two years you had?
(10:13):
You had a first mover advantage because you've got kids
that do their internships down at the Board of Trade,
all of these different things, all the different entertainment vehicles
in Chicago. Uh, and let's face it, it's a national
school as small as as it is and a laughing
stock for some. But you can all beat it. Uh.
They pam canceled tonight. By the way, I'd be remiss
(10:34):
if I didn't mention that, uh COVID outbreak amongst the team. Uh.
And so the game against Iowa was canceled today. A
little bit of an oddity. In three we've gotten so
used to a world where COVID really hasn't gotten in
the way of enjoying anything. But uh, but there you have.
It's still sort of lingering in the very near distance, uh,
(10:55):
as as a potential threat to getting your schedule played
out fully. Yeah, so they you know, just to finish
the point, you know where where you have an audience,
you go grab it. Right. Dion was part of the
Monday night football game with the Manning brothers, all right,
and they had that great exchange on the Uh what
I still think is one of the shoddiest calls going. Hey,
(11:17):
he landed on the quarterback. Yeah, let's call that a
personal fall. But he got very animated about how's that
a fall? How's that a penalty? And Peyton's like I agree, Like,
wait the quarterback agrees me. Meanwhile, I was like, no,
he got him. He got him a little in the helmet,
but again taking every platform, every opportunity, showing up at
every event to go and evangelize what he's doing, the
(11:40):
program they're trying to build, and saw more more clips
coming out of you know how they're doing meetings and
whatever else. So you know, you try to utilize that
brand because the thing with Dion is, you know, he's
not a guy that's so far in the past as
a player that he's not still you know that he's
that's off the resume. It's whatever Dion pitchman, slash coach
(12:01):
like people that are in the NFL now still cite
him as their inspiration. I was just going to agree
with everything you just said. I mean, like the reality
that we live in right now, Dion Sanders is the
perfect character to play protagonist. You know that this is
in some eighties movie where the guy with the brash
(12:23):
attitude and you know, the the and the and the
you know kind of the muscles and and and the
smoothness is the bully. You know that that's not what
this is. That's the cool guy. The loudest voice gets
the most attention these days, and and Dion knows how
to sell and he knows that again in front of
a camera, and he's he's unabashed about it. That's the
(12:44):
other thing, Like you have to be willing to sell
out just a little bit more each day if you
want to stay in front of that camera. And you
just have to realize that even though a piece of
your soul is traded off every time you do that,
like us on radio and television, no question about it.
I'm telling you, anybody who's ever performed for anybody understands
(13:06):
that feeling. And as long as you keep what's what's
important to you at the core, right you know, whether
it's building a program for Dion Sanders or making the
most amount of money you possibly can in generating generation
generational well for his family, if that's what motivates him,
whatever it is that he keeps out his core that
keeps him going, obviously is a strong enough motivator for
(13:26):
him to take a Jackson State program that you know,
lived in relative obscurity as an HBCU to national prominence
and attention for what he did, and transformed that program
into and then part laying that into a head coaching
job at Colorado State. Again, detractors will say it's annoying,
but people who understand the climate we're in an attention economy,
(13:52):
will say he did it perfectly. He played he played
this whole situation like a harp. And again, don't hate
the player, hate the game. It is just the world
we're living in right now. And I think the summary
statement use the word part lay. I'd be remiss if
I didn't give a nod to countdown to kick off
the show you do every Saturday three hours before the
(14:14):
kickoff of games here on Fox Sports Radio. You'll find
that wherever, uh you know, whatever your local affiliate is,
and obviously on the Heart radio app. But it always
comes down to this, if I'm gonna I'm gonna fail.
I'm gonna fail spectacularly, and Dion swinging big and there's
twenty of folks working, you know, cheering for him to fail.
(14:35):
And if it if it does well, it does, but
you gave it your your best shot. And that's all
well we can anybody can ask of rich Rinburger in
for Jason Smith tonight on My Carmen As we come
to you live from the Tire Iraq. Dot Com Studios
coming out. Next, we'll talk about one of your former
teams in the NFL, Rich, because I know you have
a lot to say on it, particularly after the coach
(14:57):
spoke a little bit earlier. Today. You can talk a
lot about how complicated other banks make it to redeem
credit card rewards are. You can talk about how we
discover you can redeem your rewards for cash on any
amount anytime. I mean, talk about amazing learn more discovered
dot com slash redeemed rewards limitations they do apply. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show
(15:19):
with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
Whip channeling the late Grant Gene Uncle and come on
in if you will. Jason Smith Show with Me Mike
Harmen here Fox Sports Radio. No Jason Smith tonight. He'll
be back tomorrow after a couple of days, sojourn a
(15:41):
little rest and relaxation. Finals week for a lot of school.
So maybe he's just standing over his daughter's shoulder making
sure that she is studying instead of playing on TikTok,
or maybe helping to encourage what the search algorithm for
her tiktoki and world should be uh In is in
his stead. Rich orn Burger is with us. You hear
him on the weekends here countdown to kick Off, as
(16:02):
well as Red Zone Radio hosting five mornings a week
down in San Diego, San Diego State, uh Man about town,
probably lecturing in some classes or at local eateries, I mean,
and shepherding a couple of young men do future NFL
lineman status? Did I get it all in? Yeah? You
pretty much now? And loving husbands in case the wife
(16:24):
is listening, adoring father. Yeah. But then but we start
adding that in, it sounds like we're writing your epitaph
or I'm reading a eulogy on air. Now, let's not
do that based on Dona consumption. If you're not, if
you're if you're not busy this offseason, you know. No,
that's good. I figured we have a food podcast or
something to come in the future here, so we'll work
(16:47):
on that. Figure out all of the food sources in
between San Diego and and where I am up in
in Redondo. Uh and just start showing up Guy Fietti's
style and yelling at them. I'm like, yeah, no, I
think there's there's something to be done there. Uh More
yelling also done on Saturday night as we watched a
twenty seven point lead evaporate for the Los Angeles Charges
(17:11):
as I almost called them San Diego. We'll talk about that.
We can also talk about how complicated other banks make
it to redeem credit card rewards. We can talk about
how we Discovery you can redeem rewards for cash in
any amount and any time. I mean talk about amazing
learn more at discovered dot com slash redeem rewards terms
do apply. And we got to halftime of that game,
(17:31):
Rich and that first touchdown by the Jaguars. I raised
my eye. Brown said, well, maybe I don't know. You
can't play nearly as badly as you did for most
of the first half, right, so maybe possibly this this
could start to go awry. And I could not have
imagined what I ended up watching in the second half,
(17:52):
to the point where my daughters, who normally don't care
a lick about football, because let's face it, football has
been the enemy and taken Dad away. Are large chunks
of time, uh you know, under the guys of watching
and studying games and doing radio and whatever. But they
sat and they're like, Wow, this is really something. Huh Like, yeah, no,
this is uh, this is special and not special in
(18:14):
a good way. As we watched that lead for itter away,
I noted, and look, folks can just do the the
box score reading of just the Hey, they only ran
the ball so many times. It was when they ran
the ball rich the only runs coming on first intense. Yeah. Yeah,
Now listen, I mean there there needed to be a
blood letting, right because anytime something goes that wrong, um,
(18:39):
you have to fix it. And and in action sometimes
is worse than bad action, right because what does inaction
say to the troops. It means, hey, guys, we think
we're just fine. We're pretty satisfied with a with a
twenty seven point uh giveaway more more than that obviously
in the second half. Uh, it's just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous.
(19:01):
To what we all witnessed it, it seemed it seemed impossible.
But then again, when you have a special player like
Trevor Lawrence clearly is when you have a special coach
like Doug Peterson clearly has proved, uh, anything's possible. And
and the NFL has taught us that time and time again.
You will be punished for your mistakes, and if you
(19:23):
make enough of them in quick succession, uh, you're gonna
get found out. And that's exactly what happened to the Chargers. Now,
do I think it was absolutely necessary that they fire
the offensive coordinator because things were just not working at
all with him? Maybe not, but from a public relations standpoint,
from a keeping your team engaged and believing in the
(19:46):
message that not good enough is not good enough, something
had to happen. And so, unfortunately, in a big boy
business like the NFL, head will roll when you have
an outcome that just appointing, Well, you gotta have a
fall guy. We we know, we know that. So Joe Lombardi,
Shane Day are are left off the three roster. They
(20:09):
are looking at their work as we go forward. Brandon
Staley will remain Now. He had his presser today and
I wanted to highlight this one from our our dear friend,
my former colleague on Sunday Mornings, l A timescribe Bill
plash Key asking, Uh, well, I think the question we
we all had in our minds. I thought it was
(20:34):
a tight game. I thought that for a half, you know,
I thought I wouldn't say that was the case for
a half. You know, I think at the end of
the game, you know, that team that we were playing
showed a lot of fight, a lot of resilience. I
thought it was a high quality game against two teams
that are are both young and hungry. Um, and so
I thought it was just a high level game all
the way around. It wasn't like that for a half. Yeah,
(20:57):
I mean, wait that that. I mean, that's like a
five year old responding at the dinner table, you didn't
need all your beach Well I had that one. I think.
I think the correct response is, yeah, yeah, I did.
I did get out coached by Doug Peterson for an
entire half of football, and he got out coached by
me for an entire half of football. And the unfortunate
(21:19):
reality is we all as coaches, as players need to
learn how to put together an entire game, because the
reality is, if the Chargers play a second half like
they did the first half, we're singing a very different
tune about Brandon Staley, Right, you know, if if Doug
Peterson got embarrassed by the Chargers, we're talking about the
(21:41):
Jaguars in a much dimmer light than we are today. Well,
we saw it at halftime. Rich a lot of folks
were doing the same old Jaguars line right of well,
I guess they're still not ready. And Lawrence the interceptions,
you know, you could argue about contact whatever. We we
had officiating fun, uh and excitement all weekend long into
(22:02):
Monday night. That we still have some head scratchers along
the way. But in suffice to say, he had one
of the worst half statistically that we've ever seen, and
the Chargers took full advantage. Not that they were dominant,
they just they capitalized, right, and you finished the job.
And it's what I always argue when when folks were
getting on and calling the Vikings the worst defense in
(22:25):
the world all seasons, like, well, statistically, which category you want?
You want to do yards? You can do yards. I
think that's dumb, but that's what everybody started sighting as
that made them the worst defense in the league. And
Bill Belichick backed me by saying, no, it's about how
many points you give up, right, and that's the end game.
And well, for the Vikings, well we saw how that ended.
(22:46):
But the point was they were they good, No, but
they weren't last in that that all important category. But
here you had a half where everything that could go
wrong did and then you had to manage the thirty
minutes and it didn't matter, you know. And and I
thought with Jason a bit about this the other night,
was it didn't matter that you had a run game
(23:07):
that was inefficient? Was it efficient all year? That's a whole, other,
whole other problem that they have that firing the path
the quarterbacks coach Shane Day ain't gonna help, right, The
passing game coordinator ain't gonna be there because Austin Ekeler
caught over a hundred five hundred passes out of the backfield,
so we could say those are extended runs. So if
(23:27):
we want to get into where the NFL is these days,
you can tell tell better than me, you know, having played.
You know, we we try to compartmentalize things, but it
all flows together. But the fact that you really didn't
commit to it when a run play, even if ineffective,
takes nearly a minute off the clock, is just silly
(23:47):
to me. I I can't imagine a worse coached or
played half. I mean, they didn't execute, uh, I think
the game plan was ridiculously vanilla or the Chargers and
especially after having as successful a half as they had
in the first half. Again, like I said, do I
(24:09):
think that the firing of Joe Lombardi or the firing
of Shane Day necessarily fixes anything. No, not not immediately
and and maybe not perceivably, right, I mean, they could
come back next year in the offense could look just
as good or just as bad depending on your perception
of things as it did a season ago. Maybe they'll
have more luck with more health of their star players.
(24:32):
You know, Keenan Allen was injured for a lot of
the season, so is Mike Williams. Austin Ekeler proved to
be an ironman, and Justin Herbert played through some stuff. Man,
he he was hurt to start this season, um and
was a warrior about it. But but the reality is
it's a combination of things. It's never just one thing.
So a lot of people are saying, hey, Brandon Staley
(24:53):
has to go, Yeah, okay, that's fine, but then who's next?
Because it didn't work with Mike McCoy, and it didn't
work with Anthony Lynn, and it didn't so far work
as well as you'd like with Brandon Stalely. However, I
will say this, we're we're noticing an upward trajectory. You know,
(25:14):
made it to the final game of the regular season
last year and they got knocked knocked out of the
playoff contention by the Raiders. Okay, well, next year they
make it to the wild card round. Do I expect
them to win the division next year? Well? Not with
Patrick Mahomes in the way. But is the expectation now
for them to get to the playoffs with a quarterback
is talented as Justin Herbert, an elite defense, when they're
all playing the way they should be. Yeah, the expectation
(25:36):
is they should win a playoff game. And if you're
going to set your sights higher than that, well I
don't know what to tell you. I mean, level your
expectations off at some point because everything is a work
in progress. Rome was not built overnight, and so I
realized the world is after Brandon Staley today. But I
(25:57):
actually appreciate and I rarely stay positive things about this organization,
especially after what they did to the city of San
Diego and how much that's affected me personally and the
people who I broadcast to on a near daily basis.
I think slow playing the firing of head coaches is
probably the more intelligent move, especially when there's value. This
(26:18):
team was listless at the end of the tenure with
Anthony Lynn, and it's been somewhat recovered by the charisma
and maybe some of the novel thought process that Brandon
Stally has brought to this locker room and to the
game planning. So let's see where this goes again. They
offered their sacrificial lands. The blood letting has taken place,
(26:40):
Joe Lombardi and Shane day walk. We'll see if that
hasn't any impact on what we see out of this
team next season. Now. Staley, as part of this pressure,
was also asked just point blank about whether you know
the the job security question that we all had on
our minds. I am aware of the speculation, you know,
because I have to be briefed of it, you know,
and I do have a family, so I understand that
(27:03):
um that cares about me. But I was not worried
about that because I know what goes on here on
a day to day basis. Yeah, there's there's a couple
of things. As you mentioned, you know, it's slow playing firings.
We've seen the exact opposite in the National Football League
a lot more one and duns Or two, and duns
Or extends you and then fire you the next year
and still give you a giant check Kingsbury, uh and
(27:26):
and go go yeah hey, and then the photo array.
We thank him for that bountiful about he's got a
large bounty there. But it's the idea that he got
through some of the fourth down questions and analytics and
fighting that went on last year. This year, like the
(27:47):
Mike Williams situation, is still one to me that that
stands out now. Mike Williams has been on again, off again,
and we talk about meaningless what is and isn't when
it comes to players and games and and everything else.
But to lose him to that injury certainly is huge.
I also want to know from the Charger standpoint, right,
(28:09):
it's I didn't expect them to fire him, just unless
it's always who can you go and get better? So
unless Sean Payton was side sealed and delivered already, uh
than than who else is out there that you love
perhaps more? I don't didn't expect Spanos to suddenly cut
a check alluding to you and the good folks of
San Diego down there. Uh that he was gonna say,
(28:31):
here's a check to go away. But it's just the
the larger, larger perspective for me beyond the coaching side
is for a couple of years now, I want to
know what's going on in the training room. Yeah, there's
a lot of injuries. Every year, You're losing a ton
of man games two two injuries at key positions, So
(28:55):
that that's one area of the organization that also needs
to be looked at, even though it's not as visible
as the coaches on the sidelines. Yeah, and you said
it right. It's been a problem for years. It's been
something that's kind of confounded every coach that's taken over
since the North Turner days. I don't know what the
Magical Licks or other NFL teams seemed to have to
(29:15):
keep their star players healthy, but it's just not has
been the case with the Chargers, whether they've been in
San Diego up in Los Angeles, it seems like that
bad streak of health luck follows them. Maybe just need
to go get one of those sage brushes from Kyrie Irring.
He's been playing most nights, so he doesn't need it
right now. So we'll go find another one. He's Rich
(29:36):
jorin burger in for Jason Smith, Ob Mike Carmen coming
up next. We'll talk about what's your favorite order? And
I didn't know you could get reservations there. Yeah, it's
the story sweeping the NFL. But first it's Monse Malagas.
She's got an update on what's trending in our sporting universe. Mons,
how are you dominating? Hey that rich? Look at us
(29:57):
on a Wednesday, not on a Sunday. I feel good
about it. Yeah, I feel good. Start talking like this stats,
I got boxed, I got it all memorized. What you do?
Have it all meant Hartman on a Wednesday? Here, Now
(30:20):
you're on it. That's it. It's like he's here. It's
like he's here, only he's not. I don't know if
Brandon Staley needed to be briefed because all he had
to do was open Twitter for like forty eight hours
because he was trending, so nobody needed to brief him.
He just needed to go on social media one second
and he could see what they were saying about him. Anyways,
let's move on to the NBA. Two games going on.
(30:41):
My annoying Clippers because nobody's playing, guys, nobody's playing for
the Clippers tonight. No Paul George, no Kauai Leonard, no
Luke Kenard. Stop me. If you've heard nobody, nobody at
all at all, might as well. But there's the team
that's gonna charge up in the second half. Yes, you
got you all right? Yes that sounds that's it's about right.
(31:02):
Jack has are up on the Clippers eight eight to
seventy three, three minutes to go in the third quarter.
Timberwolves and Nuggets going at it, and the Nuggets are
up thirty to twenty two a little over a minute
to go in the first quarter. Nicola yoke already thirteen points.
But the Grizzlies, they have won eleven in a row,
and this game, it was all thanks to Steven Adams.
Brand with it three second affrential close by a chorin
(31:25):
in lane, lays it up now good tap by Adams
home barre kids to the window, missed the lay up
and the left hand Adams puts the Grizzlies up one.
Grizzlies Radio network on the call. That was the last
basket of the game, and the Grizzlies beat the Cavaliers
one fifteen to one fourteen. The Hawks have won four
in a row. They defeated the Mavericks one thirty two
(31:47):
one twenty two. Maps have lost five out of their
last six games. No bueno in college hoops. Seaton Hall
with a major upset over Number fifteen Yukon sixty seven
to sixty six was the final will score the Huskies
at one point, We're up by seventeen. They did not
score in the final six minutes and fifty one seconds
of the game. Again, no bueno. In the NFL. The Cowboys,
(32:11):
after saying no, we're not gonna look at kickers liars,
they have signed kicker Tristan Viskano to their practice squad
and kicker Jason Myers He's not going anywhere. He and
the Seahawks have agreed on a four year contract extension
with twenty one point one million. He is now the
second highest paid kicker in the NFL, behind Baltimore's Justin Tucker.
Of course, back to you guys, thank you so much,
(32:32):
and all of those kickers up for contracts. You send
a box of chocolates. I'm down to our our guy
Monday night man. A little bit of help. We'll get
into that game a little more in Earnest coming up
in twenty minutes. Uh, thanks, mons, appreciate you. We can
talk about how complicated other banks make it to redeem
credit card rewards, or we can talk about how we
(32:52):
discover you can redeem your rewards for cash and any
amount at any time. I mean talk about amazing learn
more discover dot com last redeemed rewards terms they do apply.
Coming up next Late Night Eating and the premium on it.
I got a name plate, do you? We'll talk about
it next year on Fox. Be sure to catch live
(33:14):
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Polly foustco here
with Tony Fusco. As you all know, we're the host
of the number one rated show in all the sports talk,
The Folly and Tony Fusco Show Numero No Yeah, And
we know why millions of people tune in every week.
They want to hear us talk sports, not idiot guests
(33:37):
who think they know more about sports than we though
he listened to the dummies. Don't crap about. This is
the worst things off the shop. You don't know if
you want to hear how sports talk should be done.
Listen to the Folly and Tony Fusco Show on the
I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get
(33:58):
your podcasts. MHM, locked in loaded here Fox Sports Radio.
Jason spent show with me, Mike Carmen, No Jason Smith tonight.
He'll be back tomorrow. So in his stead my guy
Rich Hornburger. You hear him here on the network, hear
(34:18):
him down in San Diego. He shows up everywhere. Frans
Man Man about town years in the league. So we'll
get into trying to pick the brain of Rich as
related to some of the theoretical and philosophical battles we're having,
trying to read between the lines of what some quarterbacks
are saying, what some teams are saying, uh, and all
(34:41):
of those fun things. As we go in about ten
minutes from now, we'll get into a little of the
fallout from the Monday night football game the well, because
you have to do at least one Brady Conversation per
show or you're just not trying. We can talk about
how complicated other banks make it to redeem credit card rewards,
or we can talk about how we discover you can
read eam your rewards for cash in any amount of
(35:02):
any time. I mean talk about amazing learn more discovered
dot com slash redeemed rewards terms do apply. But let's
go to another quarterback in our favorite subject food. Now,
we found out after the game on Saturday night, the
giant comeback that we just described with the Jaguars and
the man known as Sunshine. All right, remember the Titans
also known as Trevor Lawrence, also known as the Next Guy.
(35:24):
All of those things that he had, the monster second
half and now being celebrated. So what did he decide
to do? Well, he went to waffle House and of
course over the last forty eight hours, a lot of
speculation about different things, and well, you can choose anywhere
and everything, but what did you pick? Well, yeah, I
(35:46):
was talking to Brandon and I can't remember as Brandon
Sheriff and someone maybe e J hadn't ever been a
waff house in their life. So that was like a
week or two ago, and I was saying, we gotta
go one day after the game, and then last week
it's almost like, once we win on Sunday, we're going
a waff hole. So Marissa actually called and I talked
to the wa about like reserving part of it, and
(36:07):
they're like, well, if he gives the heads up, we
can kind of like clear some people out of one
area and yeah, and and have you got some spots safe.
They did that and it was great. We had like
twenty guys there. Yeah, maybe the first reservational wafflus So
what's it depends that? That night I got the Texas
bake and cheese steak with hash browns with cheese and
(36:30):
a pecan waffle. So it just it depends. Yeah. So
sometimes like at the All Star you know, it depends
on I feel like you werens of the way that
with the proper barbage. What is a smothered is cheese?
Is that correct? I just say cheese. I do just
say cheese. Trevor Lawrence thinking to bring me whatever the
hell I want, Dude, I I love that order. And
(36:52):
and I'll say this right now, he's spot on with
the waffle of the pecan waffle is the move dump
a whole lot of maple syrup on that. And I
also like the fact that he said, well, it depends
you know one of my Yeah, Like I'm I'm a
man who enjoys variety. I'm a guy who walks into
a restaurant, even if I'm a regular, and I want
to peruse the menu a little bit and see what
(37:14):
the specials are. Um, but I do have a go
to order and it's it's been it's been a while,
but I I got you at the waffle house. Yeah
all right. Uh. It starts with the egg breakfast, just
the eggs and the toast. I like my eggs, uh
over easy. That's why I could dip them with the toast,
little catchup salt pepper, and then um, that comes with
(37:37):
the choice of grits or the hash Browns. And you'll
understand why I go with the grits. I want grits.
I want extra butter on the grits. That's important. You
want a creamy grit. I've always said that. You know
that about me. And then when it comes to the
hash Browns, I actually go with their hash brown Bowl,
the sausage, egg and cheese hash brown Bowls bowl. Dude,
(37:59):
learning so much life changing. Dump a little hot sauce
in there you're feeling good, and then of course to
become waffle I think that's the best offering on the menu. Frankly,
and I refuse to leave a waffle house without eating one. Well,
it feels like, you know, you go to a pancake
house or a waffle house. If you don't walk out
with something that's actually in the title of the place, yeah,
(38:20):
you've kind of failed. Yeah, and you probably made someone
in the kitchen sad. That's right, a pancake or waffle
everybody knows that every single employee at every waffle house
is an expert trained waffle maker. And if you somehow
besmirched their great reputation by walking out of there not
(38:42):
eating one, I mean you'll have a frying pan offside
your head. I've seemed worse those I tell you that
things have escalated for far less than this world, especially
at a waffle house. No, it's it. Yeah, you can't
do not mess with their employees. I mean, if there
is a group of impro impro employees that is willing
to throw row down, have a little fisticuffs with you
if you get out of line, it is the staff
(39:04):
at a waffall. I feel like we now need a
group road trip. Tie Shirt will come with us, Monc
I know is on board and and we'll do. Uh.
Then then if we have to rumble. We'll at least
have numbers. Yeah, that's true. We'll have We'll have, like
you know, at least eight pairs of knuckles. Um, yeah,
it's important. We'll get the lady Marissa. I guess it's
a girlfriend or a wife of Trevor Lawrence on on
(39:25):
the horn. Maybe she could make a reservation for us.
She's got the magic. No, that's pretty good. I mean
the it's got to go on the menu because you
figure by time that game ended. It's also what else
is open in Jacksonville? Now, I'm if I'm a small
business owner, I'm opening up every damn thing, and I'm like,
come on in and eat and drink. And if the
cops come and tell me, I'm I'm beyond my uh
(39:46):
my license for this night, I'm gonna get over it.
And by the way, go ahead, wh Corporate, I mean,
you better get on the Trevor Lawrence special. I mean,
this would be an n I L situation if never was,
if he was still at Clemson. It's like that guy
that had the refrigerator what was his name in the
Midwest that had the refrigerator eventually the coldest Remember he
(40:10):
had the air conditioning he eventually transferred. But it's just
something's just right themselves. Yeah yeah, I mean, get the
Lawrence Slam or whatever you wanna call it. I mean,
I'll have to write it down and save it for posterity.
The next time I can go to a waffle house.
See if they laugh me out of the joint. All right, now,
I want waffles. We'll have to figure that out. Maybe
(40:32):
one of these names, maybe Sunday who knows he's rich
orin Burger And for Jason Smith, I'm Mike Carmen. Coming
up next Fallout Conversation as we head into the Divisional
round in the NFL
Hosts And Creators
Jason Smith
Mike Harmon
Popular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.