January 27, 2023 • 39 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss the Jets hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as their OC. They guys also talk about Sean Payton’s coaching options or whether he should go back to TV and Tony Romo’s recent NFL commentary and talk about the recent passing of Billy Packer and so much more!
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it was a fraud. It was a fraud. It was
part of an afford. Everybody did the guy on analysis
that that it could have been a fraud perpetrated on
all of us. But for the morning we started to
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do like we were in a movie, suspend disbelief and
enjoy the multiverse. Well, it still doesn't matter. It's still happened.
Like the guy still walked on the court. Somebody came,
It's not like the game was part of it, like, okay,
this part in the second half, and you know it's
gonna walk on the I mean that might have been
blue chips too. And addition, I mean I don't know.
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I mean that that part of it was legit, like
it's you know, the game. The game was going on
when it happened, So there was that. But you know,
but the the uber eats McDonald's thon boy, and now
it turns out that was no just part of a
bit trying to gain attention. That's what it all was about.
Nothing else. It's good free advertising. I'll tell you man,
that happens. That happens. But well, what what was it?
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The lou reed line. Believe half half of what you
see and none of what you hear exactly. I mean,
obviously he stole that from somewhere else, but I'll credit
him off the New York album for the purposes of
this conversation. Oh hey, and speaking of New York York,
well you think I'm gonna zag right now? In overtime?
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After blowing a huge lead in the final six minutes
of regulation, the Knicks now lead the Celtics with twenty
eight seconds left to go, one sixteen to one fifteen.
The Celtics scored the first five points of overtime. Nicks
have now scored the last six. So what could be
a big defining win by the Knicks is r J.
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Barrett just sinks, Yeah, it's gonna wind up being some
kind of really devastating loss, where like Julius Randall, you know,
throws the ball away in the final four seconds and
there's a dunk and and the Celtics are gonna win.
I mean, I'm I'm glad that that's how it's gonna end.
But as you like to say in my car in
the show, is right now, we're speaking right now, and
right now the Knicks had the lead with twenty five
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seconds left to go. Well, that's right, they're they're currently
in the television time out and we're watching this unfold.
The last minute and a half prior to that shot
being made was what was terrible and your guy Grimes
stop shooting. This is where Steph Curry would have thrown
him mouthpiece and uncorked another three point shot, one of
six on the night from three. Uh. And they finally
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on the after a Celtics possession, get it back, swinging
out to Barrett who's standing all by himself, and it's like,
he's not gonna miss this is he? He's not gonna
miss this is he? Uh? And he drains it and
starting he happened at the crowd. It was funny and
I was like, hey, you need to get back on
defense now. It's like, oh wait, they call the time out.
I can daw some more. Defense is overrated. I just
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want to compuy takes. That's what we found. Now. Just
now complain about the shots your guys takes on takes
on offense. You don't need to worry about defense anymore.
Just complain about that. That's all you need is a
good thing. You're not worrying about defense because that took
no time at all for another television time out. After
Jalen Brown boy four seconds, the Celtics take off the
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shot clock. Uh you know, you know, look, you're trying
to get a two for one, but really a twenty
eight seconds you're not gonna get a two for one. Um,
but he does go in for the layup. The Celtics
have the lead over the Knicks one seventeen one sixteen
U five seconds left to go this game and the
time out. We'll catch updated on that coming up in
a few minutes. But even if the Knicks lose, even
if they look, even if they heartbreakingly lose, even if
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they lose, because Jalen Brunson just turns and hands the
ball to Jayson Tatum for a dunk because you know,
I feel like it, I don't care because after what
happened today, the Jets are getting Aaron Rodgers. It's even
I've been telling you this, Mike, I've been telling you,
and all you have to do is follow the story.
You don't need to be Ben wa Blanc to figure
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out what's going on with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
After today, it's even more concerned, it's even more assuredly
they're going to get him. Right, we went, we went,
We went through this. The Jets higher Nathaniel Hackett as
their o C. Today. I know, I know, I'm I'm
blowing past apart. We laugh about how horrible a head
coach he was and realize he's a pretty good offensive coordinator.
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He's a firing Rogers, Aaron Rodgers offensive. Yeah, he's not
gonna be the one making the decisions to say, hey,
let's stop right here and kick a field goal from
sixty three yards out. You sure, man, Yeah, let's kick
it right here. And we've seen we've seen that he
abdicates any responsibility in terms of fighting to stay on
a field or kick a field goal. Let's let's get
some more to No, No, we're good. Just just kick
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it from here. We're fine, just kick it from here.
We're all good. I mean, I might seriously, so you
gonna I don't have to worry about that. I don't worry.
But he's a he's a pretty good o C. Right.
You saw what he's done with quarterbacks, what he did
with Rogers. Is he the best play caller? No, that
you know, he's probably the middle of the pack play caller,
But certainly his systems have all done pretty well, and
and teams have done pretty well, and and he's in
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here now. But more importantly, he is Aaron Rodgers guy.
And I'm gonna take you back to Tuesday when Aaron
Rodgers one Pat McAfee show. When Tuesday was the day
we knew Aaron Rodgers getting traded because there were numerous
reports from different NFL insiders saying Aaron Rodgers will go
to the a f C if the Packers trade him.
Packers want to first round picks, the Jets will pay
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that price. Aaron Rodgers goes on Pat McAfee show and says, hey,
I'll rework my deal to make it happen. And then
he also said this when it came to a question
about the Jets, and this was just about Zack Wilson. Hey,
what do you think the Jets should do for Zack Wilson?
How do you think they should do nicely? Right? You know?
What do you think? Yeah? Because you know, Pat McAfee's
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just asking this out of the blue, right, so he
says you, no, wait, how what do you think the
Jets should do there over there in New York? And
this was Aaron Rodgers response, Um, I hope that you
know that whoever they decided to go with a coordinator
can come in and and work with him and and
uh kind of break down a lot of fundamentals for
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him and and uh get him planned on time, because
I think he's talented enough to have a long Careerently,
see you heard, Oh well, okay, that's a good advice
for for Zack Wilson. Know what I heard was bringing
the right guy at coordinator? Right? Why is he talking
about the coordinator spot? Why is he not just saying, hey,
just make sure that the kid has what he needs
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to go forward in this And I've seen a lot
of talent from No. No No, I hope they bring the
right guy in a coordinator. Now we can't stop right
there because that's tampering. So he's got a finish by
saying the right coordinator for Zack Wilson. But he he's
talking about I hope they hire the right coordinator. And
after he says that, what happens two days later the
Jets higher his old guy, Aaron Rodgers is coming to
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the Jets. It's all happening. Man. He's traded one set
of green for the other, and then in twelve years
we're gonna get Jordan's love. This is how it goes
from far If to Rogers to love. This is what
we're getting. No, it's a it's a brilliant strategy and
obviously it's laid up just like Jim Gray laid up
the you know, Scratchy went out of his way to say, hey, Tom,
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you got your plans? Say yet? And the acting. I mean, look,
he's gonna be an E D for Brady, so he's
really testing out those acting chops. So he did that
a little bit there with Aaron Rodgers. Sure it's not
so subtle messages to anything, and this one specifically the Jets,
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but uh, in general, you know, you gotta have the
infrastructure and and the and the right guys in place
for this to work. Obviously previous experience and understanding, uh
what to top ten offense is with Rogers of course
the m v p UH campaign, Uh, and then going
back to Jacksonville, so you were able to do it
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in Jacksonville. So you've had success as a coordinator. We
We've talked about this for as long as we've been
on air, Jason. The number of guys in the in
the National Football League that are fantastic coordinators, maybe okay
or slightly above average head coaches. I think of Wade
Phillips because people think of Wade Phillips as a terrible
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head coach. Go back and look at it. What his
record was overall? No, he's very average. No, he's completely
but he's not. He's not some slug like like many
would have you believe we had Wade Phillips. Is our
head goes like, no, but he's a better coordinator. Right.
It's like that old old commercial that remember that show
Happily Ever After the Married with Children knockoff? Oh yeah,
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that was Brad Garrett, right, well, no it was, well
it was Nicky Cox and uh the guy. Yeah that's
and she's the ex wife of the new Lakers owner,
right right, right, got it? Okay, But anyway, so he
did a series of commercials where he was shilling for
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Miracle Whip. So he was all, hey, I make a
great detective, but I make a better sandwich. Same thing here. Hey,
you know you make a good head coach. You're okay,
but you make a better coordinator, and in some cases
great coordinators and hack it has proven that. So anybody
going out of their way to try to slam this higher.
He's not the head coach, he's not the coach in waiting.
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It's a guy coming in to try to push this
team that is already pretty sound at most positions to
that next level. And if it helps to connect the
dots and knock down dominoes or roll out of red
carpet to bring Aaron Rodgers to town, then damn it,
that's what they're gonna do. They're still not making the playoffs. Okay,
first of all, let me just say this. Miracle Whip
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is terrible. All right, there's no there's no way about it.
I really wanted Miracle Whip to be good. No, dude,
Miracle Whip is awful. Miracle Whip is I can't When
when this came out, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be
another mayonnaise. And you know me, I love mayonaise. Man.
I'm like, oh man, we have another mayonaise. We got
alternate man is and it just tastes like bad mayonnaise.
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I'm like, oh this is this is wow. Okay, so
that's bad. But secondly, yeah, there's the when you talk
about coaches who are who are great, who are averaging
with this, you have to understand when you talk about
the truly bad, where the truly bad are right and
and and Nathaniel Hackett was truly bad as a head coach,
but as a coordinator he was pretty good. He's better
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than to show no he does. Again, as long as
he's not involved in in in in TI in time
management at all, I'm gonna be fine. And he's good. Look,
he's a veteran guy. He knows what he wants there.
The Jets said today all day you said we're bringing
in a veteran quarterback. Robert salis at it like it's like, okay,
Now I feel okay, you know, not having to say
really great things about Zack Wilson because the season is over. Uh,
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you know, we're we're getting a veteran quarterback. We're bringing
a veteran and we're bringing a guy and we're bringing
a guy in, right, do you think that? Robert Sala
again about right now? Aaron Rodgers isn't following along with
this script of Adam Schefter, Peter King, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
Rodgers again today and now Robert Sala, Oh yeah, we're
bringing in a veteran quarterback. Let me follow it it's
it's it's going to happen, and Nathaniel Hackett's going to
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be fine. I'm telling you, that guy who got that
Super Bowl fifty eight Jets logo tattoo is gonna be
the smartest guy in the world next year. Because if
that happens, if the Jets get Aaron Rodgers, the Jets
are consibol. They don't need Aaron Rodgers to be thirty
nine touchdowns and four picks. They don't need I just
you know what, if you said to me, we'll get
the Aaron Rodgers from this year with the Jets, great,
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We're going to the super Bowl because we're gonna bring
back the best young running back in the game. It's
gonna be healthy, and we have a great defense. We
got weapons on offense, we got We're gonna have the
offensive and defensive rookies of the year in the NFL.
He's not gonna in Brookie. That's if he were able
to win. Why can't Breese hallwin? Then if brockert why
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the final cut. Okay, it doesn't matter, but brock Purty met.
We gotta put brock Bertie on. We're still playing. Well,
he's a quarterback. Yeah, Breese Halls Breese Halls two campaign
is a distant memory except for wistful, self loathing Jets
fans wondering what could have been. I spent all I'm
telling you, when I watched him trend today I'm going
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and I saw that the report was that he's ahead
of schedule in his rehab ten minutes. But isn't that
always the report? Well, well, with the Jets, it could be, oh, hey,
we have no idea where the guy is. We haven't
talked to him in months. He wants a trade. Okay,
so realize that's what That's what Mexico like a Ze Elliott.
We we can't we can't find the guy. So to
have him say I'm ahead of schedule, that's awesome. I
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spent ten minutes just watching his highlights from this season.
I got so bleep and excited. I can't even tell
you that's so excited watching And they're gonna get him
back next year and we're going and we're gonna have
Aaron Rodgers and we're going to the super Bowl. And
it's that simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that simple. But Frostburg,
I do have one question for you, very question. How
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did the Nick Celtics game end. I told you we
were doing a show, and I saw made free throws
by the never feeling you had it on your Commodore
six whatever you got going on. I missed that computer.
Was the final score one seventeen and the final score.
I just saw him talking to Julius Randall. So I
assume you one, Oh, okay, alright, very good. Yeah, oh
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oh yeah, there it is. Yeah, they're gonna say, hey, Julius,
you had a great game, but what the hell happened? Yeah,
it's a battle of free throws at the end, and
Jalen Brown misses two, given them something to going to
give him the lead with seven seconds left to go. Instead,
the Knicks get the rebound, they hit their free throws,
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Jayson Tatum misses an off balance far out three near
the buzzer, and the Knicks best team in the Eastern Conference,
which now means the Knicks are the best team in
the Eastern Conference. Transitive properties. It's coming, it's coming up.
It's all Knicks, it's all. This is as good as
it gets for the Jets of the Knicks right now.
This is as good as it gets for the winter
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sports teams, right January. Should we take some calls from
ecstatic Knicks fans. Fans, Hey, what are you happier about
your Averon Rodger? Did the Jets or the Knicks win?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine? On Fox? If you curse,
I'll come kick your ass. I'll find you. We're not
gonna sell your identity to anybody as far as you know.
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All right, So don't worry about that. When you call us,
you're all good. Uh So there you go, get ready,
Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. It's all happy. Be sure
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I don't know that there's been a better game than
what we just saw between them out the collapse when
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you gave up seventy to the guy that's playing now.
I was on vacation. That didn't happen. It didn't count.
I was gone that week. I was on vacation. It
was Christmas week. Anything that happens Christmas week doesn't count
the sporting calendar because everybody's on vacation. It doesn't matter. No,
it didn't happen. It didn't happen. I was here. It
counted well. Also that was we're now three, so I say,
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biggest game of the year. Okay, what I did see,
what I did there is and I did there. That's
like just your opinion. Man, you may never see a
better NBA game the rest of your life than what
we saw with the Knicks and the Celtic. That's just asinine. Uh.
It ended, it ended kind of just watch Da Lillard.
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It was put up a monster game. We've seen Lebron
you know, run the table and at four plus four
twenty given that forty point effort against the Clippers, and
then look, you'd rather have been anywhere else in the
world because of that video that that picture of him
getting out looking so forlorn. They've taken away eight points
so he doesn't have a forty point game. Jamian Lillard's
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game last night got downgraded from a sixty point game
to a thirty eight points And game was so bad
tonight that it was brought to you by uber eats. Wait,
real Uber eats or fake uberio floor somebody printing their
own stickers that look like uber eats, but it actually
redirects you to a website that is not safe for work.
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You know the thing is, and you know, you know
what the last thing thing coming out of the story
is gonna be is is ty Shirts gonna play that
drop for the next nine years. Like there's drops he's
been playing for like nine years here on the show,
and he's gonna play that drop for the next nine years.
He's like, I don't care about that stuff. I don't
care that the guy going on the floor in the
Duquene game, it was the whole set up and all
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that I got. The drop of a lifetime came on
the floor. But that drop, out of context, means nothing
and has no connection to that guy. And whether that
the veracity of that entire delivery process. Do you think
you really just a good I say something like, hey,
coming up next, we got a big story out of
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out of out of the NFL. We got a quarterback
who's retiring after winning seven Super Bowls, and and Tis
will play the Cleveland drop. It doesn't doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't matter. You look, man, it's it's tisert world
and we're just living in it. At least didn't get
fooled for the Uber Eats guy look, look the uber
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each story from last night that we spent a lot
of time on, just saying, you've never been so sure
of anything in your entire life. What are you talking about?
It was a legiti you knew, you said, you know,
I knew, I knew. The guy who walked on the
court with McDonald's was doing it as a bit. Now
that it's he still disrupted the game, that had the
call time out and all those things had happened, but
it turned out to nons Hey I got I got
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Uber eats for somebody. Still the guy everything we did
last the guy brought McDonald's for somebody. That's why guy
brought McDonald's. It's still a very important story for a
number of aspects. Number one, uh, that that might be possible.
Who knows if you have as long as you have
a ticket to the game, which I got to imagine
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it wasn't a sellout, al right, extra eight bucks for
a ticket and sandwich, So you got that. The second is,
you know, the security protocols are absolute crap. This guy
just straight up. So if nothing else we learned something,
perhaps if we're at Duquane, Okay, they have a Seahawks
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security guy at the door. Okay, come on, go on,
it's all good. It's all good, like his life depended
on it. Uh So, while the mixed victory over the Celtics,
breathless as we may be on, uh you know, I'll
give you this Bowl prediction right now, Sean Payton is
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going to be in the broadcast booth another year. We
mentioned this last night, We got into it very briefly,
and then today it becomes a big story. Surprise, right
we do is that boy we talked about this last night.
Sean Payton just doesn't seem to have any momentum going
forward at any of the head coaching jobs where wherever
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he was interviewing. We watched Carolina hiring Frank Wright today.
They actually spoke to Shaun Payton very early in this situation.
So you know, now the openings are down to Houston, Denver, Arizona, Indianapolis.
Who never talked to Sean Payton. So it's Houston, Denver
in Arizona. And then we get this today from Mark Maski,
who if you follow on Twitter, he's an NFL reporter
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for the Washington Post and he put this out after
the Panthers wound up hiring Frank Reich is their new
head coach. He said that, uh, you know, according to
according to reports what we said, Well, now it's out.
It's out for Sean Payton. He's not going to be
the head coach for the A line of Panthers. And
he said there was an issue with Payton's interview with
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the Broncos. He likes the idea of coaching Russell Wilson
and having that defense, but fears a power struggle with
a member of the ownership group. This is Mark mask,
the NFL insider for the Washington Post. Sean Payton had
to quote tweet that and say zero truth to this.
We had a great visit and Broncos ownership was fantastic. Uh.
You couple this with the headline that that looks like
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the Broncos are moving towards Damiko Ryan's to be there
their new head coach, and now, um, where is he
gonna end up? It's like Sean Payton now has to
take Arizona or nothing, right, Like it's it's Arizona or Houston, Right,
That's what it is. It's Arizona, Houston or nothing. And
are these jobs you really want? Like he's gone from
being the most sought after guy, and people are gonna
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pay whatever they can to go get him. And now
I feel like he's gonna pull out and just staying
broadcasting one more year because he didn't he didn't come
out and say I'm ready to get back into coaching.
To have to sit here and choose between Arizona, where
you've got an injured quarterback that's gonna take into next season,
and starting over the Houston Texans. He had stars in
his eyes, where it's gonna be Dallas, it's gonna be Miami,
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it's gonna be somewhere big, and suddenly, now hey it's
the desert, or you you can try to start things
all over in Houston. Um, he's gonna slowly pull back.
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls his name out
of contention saying, you know what, this is not my year.
I'm gonna sit it one more year because he will
still be a hot candidate next year. The job he
really wanted, which you know was Cowboys head coach, is
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not happening. Mike McCarthy's staying, and you know they're they're
keeping Dan Quinn today. So now maybe you think their
succession plan is in place, McCarthy to Dan quinn, who's
not interviewing for head coaching jobs anymore, but the jobs
Peyton thought he was gonna get her just not there
and and well maybe he was intrigued by the Broncos.
But now you have different opinions to how his interview
went and how he felt about it, and is he
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trying to pull a power playing where the Broncos taken
aback by it? Really, he's gonna be in the broadcast
booth and he's gonna try to hit it again in
the next season with the next offseason where hopefully things
get better, they're bigger openings and maybe everything softens for
teams going out to get him. That can give because
I'll tell you what, the trade compensation has gotta be
a big deal when the same shot, say two first
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round picks as good as Sean Payton is, that's a
tough thing. I mean, right now, teams don't want to
give up to number one picks for a quarterback. You're
talking about should the Jets give up two for Aaron Rodgers?
This guy is a Hall of Famer that when two
m v p s before he had a tougher year.
This year, So you're talking about teams that it might
be questioning doing that, giving up two first round picks
for a head coach when really he's worth it, but
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you still see people backing off of it. No, man,
this just doesn't seem like it's the time for Sean Payton.
And if he takes a job, he's taking it just
to take it. So stay in broadcasting one more year.
You'll still be a hot candidate coming out of this
year and get back into it next season. It's funny, James,
because that's the whole coaching carousel started to spin, and
we were getting down towards those final weeks of the
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regular season, we talked about this very topic and what
was it all about Dallas and the Chargers and then
the wing in a prayer if McDaniel were suddenly relieved
of his duties when that started being rumored in week eighteen, right,
suddenly there was this uncertainty uh going into the playoffs
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of whether he'd retain his job. Not that you gave
it much of a percentage chance, but there was at
least a little whisper and rumor conjecture out there. The
rest of the jobs, and this is always the case
when a coach gets fired, or I shouldn't say always,
most of the time, it's the case case when when
a coach gets fired that there are it's fraught with problems.
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You're not turnkeys solution where hey, you bring in one
piece or you are the missing piece in it and
it and it flips into something great. With Arizona, who
knows what the deal is? What? What's reality with Kyler Murray?
What is he about in terms of his work at
the communication? Whatever? We we've had nobody defend him and
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he oh, yeah, he's coming off a monster injury. So
he's not available to you for three for the at
least half the season by normal timelines, unless all of
a sudden we get that report he's progressing so well.
But Houston, do you want to go work for that
owner and the way they've run things these last couple
of years. No? Your best player, uh, in terms of
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your offense, Damian Pierce, you know, notwithstanding Brandon Cooks was
just like, I'm in Operation shutdown. This sucks. I'm done
with this right And that was in the middle, Like
he ended up putting up a couple of games at
the end of the year, long after fantasy owners who
had drafted him, expecting them to just wing it up
had long been been eliminated from everything. But it's just
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the idea of just going around Carolina. What were they
gonna have to give up? What was temper legitimately gonna
have to give up to the Saints to keep Sean
Payton in the division? Whatever? The two first rounds plus
what right, what's what's the rest of that pack? It's
gotta be and just go on down the line. Like,
none of the jobs were turnkeys solutions except for the
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roster built by the Chargers. And yes, I I give
a lot of credit to Talasco. They need to figure
out what the hell is going on with the training staff.
But the selection of the players has been pretty good.
And then you have Miami with a lot of talent
on both sides of the ball. Think of the fun
Peyton would have with those two wide receivers and those
former San Francisco forty Niners running backs in the in
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the backfield there with Wilson and once most it's healthy again,
You've got a lot of fun whoever your quarterback is.
But without those jobs or Dallas with the you know,
Jerry Jones always covetous, but now evidently likes Mike McCarthy
to be there as long as Tom Landry and the
hat right, those are the only three jobs that made
any any sense to leave the booth and sitting on
(26:52):
the couch and enjoying going undefeated every week. Twitter at
how about a fresca? Mike gets swollen down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. It's just
I guarantee this is not going at all. How he
thought it was gonna go like, Okay, I'm gonna come out,
everybody's gonna want me, I'm gonna talk to seven or
eight teams and we're gonna figure out I'm gonna get
(27:13):
my pick of the litter. And it just hasn't been
that way. It's been rocky from this is what we
want for draft compensation to oh, well, that opening is
not there. That opening is not there. It's almost like
he's a player who is thinking about going to the
you know, making the jump a year early to the
NBA or the NFL, and he's gonna be the number
one pick and he sees who has a number one
pick and says, now, I'm good. I'm staying in school
(27:33):
another year now. I want one more year enough. I
don't know who's got it next year, and I'll have
to do it next year. But boy, I really don't
want to go this year because the Jets have the
number one pick and I don't Manning showing up what's
going on here. I'm gonna stay another year in college
and hope that it just gets better a year from now.
And if I have to work a trade, I work
a trade. I mean, that's kind of where it is,
Like I feel his his brand is really suffering now.
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And just think of what his brand was a month ago,
right the into the regular season, Sean Payton looming for
all these teams we're talking with him for Dallas for
McCarthy and Miami with Tom Brady for for Mike McDaniel.
All that's now slowly bang back and you look at
Sean Payton and it's wow. Anybody could really have Sean
Payton right now, and and anybody that wants, if they wanted,
could have him right now. Like don't they just don't
(28:18):
think he just take I just don't think he'd take
every any job though, Like I think there's the other
side of that. It's like if I'm that's why you stay,
you wait, you wait for But that's what I mean.
I don't. I don't think it takes a hit on
his stock at all unless we start seeing hearing all
sorts of things that he had a rider that was
fourteen pages long, that teams wouldn't give him. Well, now
(28:39):
we're getting the Broncos story. They didn't get a lead.
He was worried about a power struggle with an owner.
I'm like, power of struggle. You're the coach, they're the owner.
I mean, what is it? Is it Conda Leeza Rice?
Tell me it's Condoleeza Rice and you guys were going
back and forth. But there was also the report of
whether he was going to get along with Russ, which
is what we surmised from the outset. Right man, go
back to teeth a Sean Payton, go back to TV.
(29:02):
It's the right call. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays at
ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. One story I wanted
to tell here because we we we've been spending the
last minute talking about the life of Billy Packer. Uh
passed away earlier today. At the age of eighty two,
his son letting everybody know on social media. Billy Packer
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was the soundtrack to the n s A Tournament for
thirty five years. I feel like he did every single game.
He would change locations. He would be in the East
region during the day, he'd fly to the Southeast region
at night. And you know, we talked about his style
and how it wasn't for everybody and that he was
someone who was I think Mike Francessa had the best
(29:44):
big line about him. Used to say, Billy Packer would
do games like with like he had a red pen, right,
like I'm looking to maker, I'm looking at what guys
are doing wrong, and I'm saying what guys are doing wrong.
And it was different, right, You didn't have players being
critical of of college kids like that. And when he
would brought cast a game, he was very polarizing and
you would talk about what Billy Packers said during I
(30:05):
can't believe Billy Packers said this, and I was so
glad when that got slam. I mean, he made the
game more entertaining and there's no better Billy Packer moment.
You go back and look at one of the millions
of n c A tournament moments that that he broadcast.
But remember back in in two thousand five, one of
the great buzzer beaters was Patrick Sparks of Kentucky right
against Michigan State. You've seen the video a bunch of
(30:27):
times where Kentucky is losing by three at the end
and they get like three threes in the last eight
seconds in the final. One was Patrick Sparks who puts
up this three and it bounces off the rim, and
it bounces off the rim again, and it bounces off
the rim a third time, and it rolls around the
top of the cylinder and it rolls through for a
three pointer sends the game to overtime. The crowd goes crazy,
(30:48):
right well, Patrick Sparks as a player that Billy Packer
was critical of in a previous game that he broadcast.
So after Patrick Sparks hits that three, he goes over
to the broadcast area where Billy Packer is doing the
game and he trash talks a little bits, how do
you like that? What do you think of that? And
and and this is a quintessential Billy Packer moment right
(31:09):
here he is. Here's Patrick Sparks getting his revenge. And
what did Billy Packer do. He put out his hand
for a high five, and Patrick Sparks smacks his hand
and then goes back and play. I mean a legendary moment.
And that's that's Billy Packer in one moment. Oh, he
piste off people so much by what he said. And
then the guy comes up. What does he do? He
high five as a kid after. I mean that that
that's that's Billy Packer in one story. But that's the thing, right,
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is that he stood out because he was, I guess,
for a lack of a better term, abrasive, right, he was.
He was a guy that was critical and wanted the
best game and best executed learnings and whatever else out there.
So he called it out when a play failed, why
it failed, and unfortunately that means names were used to
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you know, the name names. He didn't just talk in generalities,
but he had a way about him that the love
of his of the game came through, which is why
he did it for as long as he did at
the highest of levels, and why he was such a
I mean, look at all the guys he worked with
and all the broadcast partners through the years. Wasn't it
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just Jim Nance. Didn't he do every game with Jim Nance?
Him to go back to stuff with Musburger and whatever
when he was studios things, you know, so like he
worked with a number of these legends and obviously Jim
Nance for a long while. But it's it's just that
idea of you know, different styles, right some folks look
at look at the NFL. Right now people have decided
(32:38):
they don't like Tony Romo anymore. It's it's the old
rule of thumb. We love it for eighteen to twenty
four months and now we don't anymore. Remember the Warriors
were great. They were reinventing the game. Damn it. They
ruined the game with all of their forty ft jump shots.
Lillie Packer, he's the guy who, whether you loved Humber
hate him, you tuned in because you knew you were
(33:00):
to get an honest call of a game. Yeah, and
it's it's you know he would. He was the kind
of guy that was as a broadcaster, he was ahead
of his time right now, you think about his whole career,
Like we talked about some of the times he got
in hot water for saying things off the air, and
and now he would be a lightning rod now if
he if he was on the air. But as a broadcaster,
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he was ahead of his time because he was that
first guy that would criticize college kids. Because I remember
even starting out on the radio when I was starting
my career in the early two thousand's, even when I
was at ESPN, it was really difficult. You didn't really
hear a lot of criticism of college athletes, right, you
didn't hear it. You just didn't. In college basketball, you know,
(33:42):
everything was to yeah, yeah, and all the criticism was
the coaches. That was who got all the critics. Guy
in the position to make a play, they could that
the other this coach sucks, this coach did this. But
the player, ah, you know he should have been better.
You just never not that you never got it because
it was kind of this this unspoken thing. I you
(34:04):
don't want to criticize kids. It's a bunch of kids.
But Billy Packer, you know, saw it as this is
a multibillion dollar industry. These kids are coming. You know,
he knows the kids are getting money, and you know
that it's it's where you know, they're getting scholarships and
there they have a pretty good life. Okay, so yeah,
if this kid's not playing, well, um, yeah, that's what
you would say, and that's what I would say it.
And he was unapologetic for it, and it's what made
(34:26):
him so divisive. I remember Syracuse game before I even
graduated college, when Billy Packer would do a lot because look,
all Syracuse games in the early nineties were all big deals,
the Big East games against Georgetown and Yukon. You know,
Syracuse are sending guys at the NBA all the time, right.
It was the end of the Derek colemanera. I mean
to Sherman Douglas and and and Ronnie Psychly and all
(34:47):
those guys. And he would come to the games and
he did a lot of with Musburger because that was
the pairing before Musburger got fired from CBS. And I
remember that, you know, just even even fans, even students,
just yelling stuff at Billy Packer and putting up signs
for Billy Packer, like more so than like you go
to a game, any other game besides Georgetown, you get
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all these signs up for you know, negative signs for
the other team, and all these kinds of crap, and
there'd be signs up for Billy Packer, Billy Packer, you
did Babba, and they would have to make him take
the signs down, and it was he was kind of
like the traveling rock star show. He's he was almost
like if I if I can, if I can convey
this the right. He was almost like a college basketball
(35:29):
but a little bit different version of Charles Barkley. That's
kind of what it was like, where he would say
things that would ruffle you, but you know, he's coming
at it with the expertise, and a lot of times
he got out of bounds with what he said and
he had to walk it back and he had to
say things like, Okay, I shouldn't have said that, and
there's you know, honestly, there were too many times in
his career he had to do that, but but he
still went back to it. Same thing with Barkley. Barkley's
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you know, you speak for a living and you speak
all the time and you say things. Barkley's always like, hey,
I should have walked this back. I should have said this.
I didn't mean to say this. So Barkley has done
that in the past too, but that's kind of what
Billy Packer was like. He's kind of a little bit
Frink version of Barkley. And if he would, if Billy
Packer's career was now, he would be the Barkley of
of college basketball. And that's what he would and he
would have a lot of attention every game he did.
(36:10):
This is a Billy Packer game. What's he gonna say.
He's gonna say. He's gonna say that Joe Girard sucks,
and he's gonna say that Judah Mints is overrated, and
Jim Bay Jimmy's gotta walk away at something. You know,
he'd be saying all these things. And oh, Billy Packer
on the broadcast, that's kind of who he would be
right now. Yeah, I'll put it this way. Yeah, I
just as I'm refreshing my timeline and and we're watching
(36:32):
the NBA game and everything and and and thinking about
Billy Packer and his history. The tweet from Dick Vital
comes out so sad to learn of the passing of
Billy Packer had such a passion for college basketball. My
prayers go out to Billy's son, Mark and the entire
Packer family always had great respect for Billy and his
partners Dick Edinburgh al McGuire. They were super maye Billy
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rest in peace. And I would, I think categorize Billy
Packer for an observational standpoint, right You're you're looking at
who he is and how he called games. Dick Vital
has always been seen as the audabashed cheerleader for college sports,
in college basketball right to where it's let's get the
(37:15):
crowd fired up, and Packer was doing the same thing
just through a different lens, right, Not that Vital can't
be instructional at times, but mostly he's a cheerleader and
hyping the best uh and and the big moments of
games and coaching decisions and stuff. Packard did the thing
with the the criticisms, whether you liked it or not.
(37:38):
And I think the two of them in tandem form,
you know, the the whole of our basketball watching broadcasting experience,
certainly from my childhood and all the way through to
today with with Dick Vital. Really, I mean, you know,
I mentioned to you a few minutes ago about all
the different highlights you're gonna see on the internet tonight
(38:01):
from college basketball, and it's all gonna be Billy Packer
and what Billy Packer has said about games. You're gonna
see a thousand big games, and Billy Packer is gonna
be part of him. Right. One of his big calls
is when Arizona won the national title, Miles Simon when
he says, Simon says championship. Uh, you have Arkansas winning
the n c A title in the nineties. There were
forty minutes of hell. Uh it looked there's so many
(38:22):
of them. Right to Kansas in the Final four against
North Carolina when they got out to that forty five
to three lead a few years ago. I mean, you
see all of these, but here's here's just to give
you a glimpse of exactly what Billy Packer was like
and how many, how long he was around, and how
important he was college basketball. I'm looked. I looked at
a highlight a couple of minutes ago of Billy Packer
(38:43):
doing an interview with Bobby Knight from nineteen seventy from
the Final four in nineteen seventy six, right is when
Bobby Knight went undefeated, Right, won the national championship. Because
Billy Packer did the Final four, then he did the
final four so I'm watching he didn't. Here's an interview
with him after calling the game, likely with his broadcast partner,
in nineteen seventy six. And then I just watch a
(39:05):
highlight of him calling Steph Curry's forty point game in
the n ct A Tournament in two thousand and eight.
I mean, think about that. Bobby Knight in seventy six
and Steph Curry in two thousand, that's how long the
guy did. The n c A Tournament four, that's all.
It's insane to think about. That's only go no, no, wait, wait, wait, yes,
be a nineteen seventy six final four two thousand and
(39:26):
eight run for Steph Curry and Davidson. That blows my
mind that he did that.
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do like we were in a movie, suspend disbelief and
enjoy the multiverse. Well, it still doesn't matter. It's still happened.
Like the guy still walked on the court. Somebody came,
It's not like the game was part of it, like, okay,
this part in the second half, and you know it's
gonna walk on the I mean that might have been
blue chips too. And addition, I mean I don't know.
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I mean that that part of it was legit, like
it's you know, the game. The game was going on
when it happened, So there was that. But you know,
but the the uber eats McDonald's thon boy, and now
it turns out that was no just part of a
bit trying to gain attention. That's what it all was about.
Nothing else. It's good free advertising. I'll tell you man,
that happens. That happens. But well, what what was it?
(02:20):
The lou reed line. Believe half half of what you
see and none of what you hear exactly. I mean,
obviously he stole that from somewhere else, but I'll credit
him off the New York album for the purposes of
this conversation. Oh hey, and speaking of New York York,
well you think I'm gonna zag right now? In overtime?
(02:42):
After blowing a huge lead in the final six minutes
of regulation, the Knicks now lead the Celtics with twenty
eight seconds left to go, one sixteen to one fifteen.
The Celtics scored the first five points of overtime. Nicks
have now scored the last six. So what could be
a big defining win by the Knicks is r J.
(03:03):
Barrett just sinks, Yeah, it's gonna wind up being some
kind of really devastating loss, where like Julius Randall, you know,
throws the ball away in the final four seconds and
there's a dunk and and the Celtics are gonna win.
I mean, I'm I'm glad that that's how it's gonna end.
But as you like to say in my car in
the show, is right now, we're speaking right now, and
right now the Knicks had the lead with twenty five
(03:24):
seconds left to go. Well, that's right, they're they're currently
in the television time out and we're watching this unfold.
The last minute and a half prior to that shot
being made was what was terrible and your guy Grimes
stop shooting. This is where Steph Curry would have thrown
him mouthpiece and uncorked another three point shot, one of
six on the night from three. Uh. And they finally
(03:47):
on the after a Celtics possession, get it back, swinging
out to Barrett who's standing all by himself, and it's like,
he's not gonna miss this is he? He's not gonna
miss this is he? Uh? And he drains it and
starting he happened at the crowd. It was funny and
I was like, hey, you need to get back on
defense now. It's like, oh wait, they call the time out.
I can daw some more. Defense is overrated. I just
(04:09):
want to compuy takes. That's what we found. Now. Just
now complain about the shots your guys takes on takes
on offense. You don't need to worry about defense anymore.
Just complain about that. That's all you need is a
good thing. You're not worrying about defense because that took
no time at all for another television time out. After
Jalen Brown boy four seconds, the Celtics take off the
(04:31):
shot clock. Uh you know, you know, look, you're trying
to get a two for one, but really a twenty
eight seconds you're not gonna get a two for one. Um,
but he does go in for the layup. The Celtics
have the lead over the Knicks one seventeen one sixteen
U five seconds left to go this game and the
time out. We'll catch updated on that coming up in
a few minutes. But even if the Knicks lose, even
if they look, even if they heartbreakingly lose, even if
(04:54):
they lose, because Jalen Brunson just turns and hands the
ball to Jayson Tatum for a dunk because you know,
I feel like it, I don't care because after what
happened today, the Jets are getting Aaron Rodgers. It's even
I've been telling you this, Mike, I've been telling you,
and all you have to do is follow the story.
You don't need to be Ben wa Blanc to figure
(05:15):
out what's going on with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
After today, it's even more concerned, it's even more assuredly
they're going to get him. Right, we went, we went,
We went through this. The Jets higher Nathaniel Hackett as
their o C. Today. I know, I know, I'm I'm
blowing past apart. We laugh about how horrible a head
coach he was and realize he's a pretty good offensive coordinator.
(05:36):
He's a firing Rogers, Aaron Rodgers offensive. Yeah, he's not
gonna be the one making the decisions to say, hey,
let's stop right here and kick a field goal from
sixty three yards out. You sure, man, Yeah, let's kick
it right here. And we've seen we've seen that he
abdicates any responsibility in terms of fighting to stay on
a field or kick a field goal. Let's let's get
some more to No, No, we're good. Just just kick
(05:57):
it from here. We're fine, just kick it from here.
We're all good. I mean, I might seriously, so you
gonna I don't have to worry about that. I don't worry.
But he's a he's a pretty good o C. Right.
You saw what he's done with quarterbacks, what he did
with Rogers. Is he the best play caller? No, that
you know, he's probably the middle of the pack play caller,
But certainly his systems have all done pretty well, and
and teams have done pretty well, and and he's in
(06:19):
here now. But more importantly, he is Aaron Rodgers guy.
And I'm gonna take you back to Tuesday when Aaron
Rodgers one Pat McAfee show. When Tuesday was the day
we knew Aaron Rodgers getting traded because there were numerous
reports from different NFL insiders saying Aaron Rodgers will go
to the a f C if the Packers trade him.
Packers want to first round picks, the Jets will pay
(06:41):
that price. Aaron Rodgers goes on Pat McAfee show and says, hey,
I'll rework my deal to make it happen. And then
he also said this when it came to a question
about the Jets, and this was just about Zack Wilson. Hey,
what do you think the Jets should do for Zack Wilson?
How do you think they should do nicely? Right? You know?
What do you think? Yeah? Because you know, Pat McAfee's
(07:02):
just asking this out of the blue, right, so he
says you, no, wait, how what do you think the
Jets should do there over there in New York? And
this was Aaron Rodgers response, Um, I hope that you
know that whoever they decided to go with a coordinator
can come in and and work with him and and
uh kind of break down a lot of fundamentals for
(07:24):
him and and uh get him planned on time, because
I think he's talented enough to have a long Careerently,
see you heard, Oh well, okay, that's a good advice
for for Zack Wilson. Know what I heard was bringing
the right guy at coordinator? Right? Why is he talking
about the coordinator spot? Why is he not just saying, hey,
just make sure that the kid has what he needs
(07:44):
to go forward in this And I've seen a lot
of talent from No. No No, I hope they bring the
right guy in a coordinator. Now we can't stop right
there because that's tampering. So he's got a finish by
saying the right coordinator for Zack Wilson. But he he's
talking about I hope they hire the right coordinator. And
after he says that, what happens two days later the
Jets higher his old guy, Aaron Rodgers is coming to
(08:06):
the Jets. It's all happening. Man. He's traded one set
of green for the other, and then in twelve years
we're gonna get Jordan's love. This is how it goes
from far If to Rogers to love. This is what
we're getting. No, it's a it's a brilliant strategy and
obviously it's laid up just like Jim Gray laid up
the you know, Scratchy went out of his way to say, hey, Tom,
(08:27):
you got your plans? Say yet? And the acting. I mean, look,
he's gonna be an E D for Brady, so he's
really testing out those acting chops. So he did that
a little bit there with Aaron Rodgers. Sure it's not
so subtle messages to anything, and this one specifically the Jets,
(08:47):
but uh, in general, you know, you gotta have the
infrastructure and and the and the right guys in place
for this to work. Obviously previous experience and understanding, uh
what to top ten offense is with Rogers of course
the m v p UH campaign, Uh, and then going
back to Jacksonville, so you were able to do it
(09:07):
in Jacksonville. So you've had success as a coordinator. We
We've talked about this for as long as we've been
on air, Jason. The number of guys in the in
the National Football League that are fantastic coordinators, maybe okay
or slightly above average head coaches. I think of Wade
Phillips because people think of Wade Phillips as a terrible
(09:28):
head coach. Go back and look at it. What his
record was overall? No, he's very average. No, he's completely
but he's not. He's not some slug like like many
would have you believe we had Wade Phillips. Is our
head goes like, no, but he's a better coordinator. Right.
It's like that old old commercial that remember that show
Happily Ever After the Married with Children knockoff? Oh yeah,
(09:51):
that was Brad Garrett, right, well, no it was, well
it was Nicky Cox and uh the guy. Yeah that's
and she's the ex wife of the new Lakers owner,
right right, right, got it? Okay, But anyway, so he
did a series of commercials where he was shilling for
(10:11):
Miracle Whip. So he was all, hey, I make a
great detective, but I make a better sandwich. Same thing here. Hey,
you know you make a good head coach. You're okay,
but you make a better coordinator, and in some cases
great coordinators and hack it has proven that. So anybody
going out of their way to try to slam this higher.
He's not the head coach, he's not the coach in waiting.
(10:34):
It's a guy coming in to try to push this
team that is already pretty sound at most positions to
that next level. And if it helps to connect the
dots and knock down dominoes or roll out of red
carpet to bring Aaron Rodgers to town, then damn it,
that's what they're gonna do. They're still not making the playoffs. Okay,
first of all, let me just say this. Miracle Whip
(10:55):
is terrible. All right, there's no there's no way about it.
I really wanted Miracle Whip to be good. No, dude,
Miracle Whip is awful. Miracle Whip is I can't When
when this came out, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be
another mayonnaise. And you know me, I love mayonaise. Man.
I'm like, oh man, we have another mayonaise. We got
alternate man is and it just tastes like bad mayonnaise.
(11:16):
I'm like, oh this is this is wow. Okay, so
that's bad. But secondly, yeah, there's the when you talk
about coaches who are who are great, who are averaging
with this, you have to understand when you talk about
the truly bad, where the truly bad are right and
and and Nathaniel Hackett was truly bad as a head coach,
but as a coordinator he was pretty good. He's better
(11:38):
than to show no he does. Again, as long as
he's not involved in in in in TI in time
management at all, I'm gonna be fine. And he's good. Look,
he's a veteran guy. He knows what he wants there.
The Jets said today all day you said we're bringing
in a veteran quarterback. Robert salis at it like it's like, okay,
Now I feel okay, you know, not having to say
really great things about Zack Wilson because the season is over. Uh,
(12:00):
you know, we're we're getting a veteran quarterback. We're bringing
a veteran and we're bringing a guy and we're bringing
a guy in, right, do you think that? Robert Sala
again about right now? Aaron Rodgers isn't following along with
this script of Adam Schefter, Peter King, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
Rodgers again today and now Robert Sala, Oh yeah, we're
bringing in a veteran quarterback. Let me follow it it's
it's it's going to happen, and Nathaniel Hackett's going to
(12:22):
be fine. I'm telling you, that guy who got that
Super Bowl fifty eight Jets logo tattoo is gonna be
the smartest guy in the world next year. Because if
that happens, if the Jets get Aaron Rodgers, the Jets
are consibol. They don't need Aaron Rodgers to be thirty
nine touchdowns and four picks. They don't need I just
you know what, if you said to me, we'll get
the Aaron Rodgers from this year with the Jets, great,
(12:44):
We're going to the super Bowl because we're gonna bring
back the best young running back in the game. It's
gonna be healthy, and we have a great defense. We
got weapons on offense, we got We're gonna have the
offensive and defensive rookies of the year in the NFL.
He's not gonna in Brookie. That's if he were able
to win. Why can't Breese hallwin? Then if brockert why
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the final cut. Okay, it doesn't matter, but brock Purty met.
We gotta put brock Bertie on. We're still playing. Well,
he's a quarterback. Yeah, Breese Halls Breese Halls two campaign
is a distant memory except for wistful, self loathing Jets
fans wondering what could have been. I spent all I'm
telling you, when I watched him trend today I'm going
(13:29):
and I saw that the report was that he's ahead
of schedule in his rehab ten minutes. But isn't that
always the report? Well, well, with the Jets, it could be, oh, hey,
we have no idea where the guy is. We haven't
talked to him in months. He wants a trade. Okay,
so realize that's what That's what Mexico like a Ze Elliott.
We we can't we can't find the guy. So to
have him say I'm ahead of schedule, that's awesome. I
(13:51):
spent ten minutes just watching his highlights from this season.
I got so bleep and excited. I can't even tell
you that's so excited watching And they're gonna get him
back next year and we're going and we're gonna have
Aaron Rodgers and we're going to the super Bowl. And
it's that simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that simple. But Frostburg,
I do have one question for you, very question. How
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did the Nick Celtics game end. I told you we
were doing a show, and I saw made free throws
by the never feeling you had it on your Commodore
six whatever you got going on. I missed that computer.
Was the final score one seventeen and the final score.
I just saw him talking to Julius Randall. So I
assume you one, Oh, okay, alright, very good. Yeah, oh
(14:35):
oh yeah, there it is. Yeah, they're gonna say, hey, Julius,
you had a great game, but what the hell happened? Yeah,
it's a battle of free throws at the end, and
Jalen Brown misses two, given them something to going to
give him the lead with seven seconds left to go. Instead,
the Knicks get the rebound, they hit their free throws,
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Jayson Tatum misses an off balance far out three near
the buzzer, and the Knicks best team in the Eastern Conference,
which now means the Knicks are the best team in
the Eastern Conference. Transitive properties. It's coming, it's coming up.
It's all Knicks, it's all. This is as good as
it gets for the Jets of the Knicks right now.
This is as good as it gets for the winter
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sports teams, right January. Should we take some calls from
ecstatic Knicks fans. Fans, Hey, what are you happier about
your Averon Rodger? Did the Jets or the Knicks win?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine? On Fox? If you curse,
I'll come kick your ass. I'll find you. We're not
gonna sell your identity to anybody as far as you know.
(15:38):
All right, So don't worry about that. When you call us,
you're all good. Uh So there you go, get ready,
Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. It's all happy. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio App.
I don't know that there's been a better game than
what we just saw between them out the collapse when
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you gave up seventy to the guy that's playing now.
I was on vacation. That didn't happen. It didn't count.
I was gone that week. I was on vacation. It
was Christmas week. Anything that happens Christmas week doesn't count
the sporting calendar because everybody's on vacation. It doesn't matter. No,
it didn't happen. It didn't happen. I was here. It
counted well. Also that was we're now three, so I say,
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biggest game of the year. Okay, what I did see,
what I did there is and I did there. That's
like just your opinion. Man, you may never see a
better NBA game the rest of your life than what
we saw with the Knicks and the Celtic. That's just asinine. Uh.
It ended, it ended kind of just watch Da Lillard.
(16:42):
It was put up a monster game. We've seen Lebron
you know, run the table and at four plus four
twenty given that forty point effort against the Clippers, and
then look, you'd rather have been anywhere else in the
world because of that video that that picture of him
getting out looking so forlorn. They've taken away eight points
so he doesn't have a forty point game. Jamian Lillard's
(17:07):
game last night got downgraded from a sixty point game
to a thirty eight points And game was so bad
tonight that it was brought to you by uber eats. Wait,
real Uber eats or fake uberio floor somebody printing their
own stickers that look like uber eats, but it actually
redirects you to a website that is not safe for work.
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You know the thing is, and you know, you know
what the last thing thing coming out of the story
is gonna be is is ty Shirts gonna play that
drop for the next nine years. Like there's drops he's
been playing for like nine years here on the show,
and he's gonna play that drop for the next nine years.
He's like, I don't care about that stuff. I don't
care that the guy going on the floor in the
Duquene game, it was the whole set up and all
(17:48):
that I got. The drop of a lifetime came on
the floor. But that drop, out of context, means nothing
and has no connection to that guy. And whether that
the veracity of that entire delivery process. Do you think
you really just a good I say something like, hey,
coming up next, we got a big story out of
(18:09):
out of out of the NFL. We got a quarterback
who's retiring after winning seven Super Bowls, and and Tis
will play the Cleveland drop. It doesn't doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't matter. You look, man, it's it's tisert world
and we're just living in it. At least didn't get
fooled for the Uber Eats guy look, look the uber
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each story from last night that we spent a lot
of time on, just saying, you've never been so sure
of anything in your entire life. What are you talking about?
It was a legiti you knew, you said, you know,
I knew, I knew. The guy who walked on the
court with McDonald's was doing it as a bit. Now
that it's he still disrupted the game, that had the
call time out and all those things had happened, but
it turned out to nons Hey I got I got
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Uber eats for somebody. Still the guy everything we did
last the guy brought McDonald's for somebody. That's why guy
brought McDonald's. It's still a very important story for a
number of aspects. Number one, uh, that that might be possible.
Who knows if you have as long as you have
a ticket to the game, which I got to imagine
(19:15):
it wasn't a sellout, al right, extra eight bucks for
a ticket and sandwich, So you got that. The second is,
you know, the security protocols are absolute crap. This guy
just straight up. So if nothing else we learned something,
perhaps if we're at Duquane, Okay, they have a Seahawks
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security guy at the door. Okay, come on, go on,
it's all good. It's all good, like his life depended
on it. Uh So, while the mixed victory over the Celtics,
breathless as we may be on, uh you know, I'll
give you this Bowl prediction right now, Sean Payton is
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going to be in the broadcast booth another year. We
mentioned this last night, We got into it very briefly,
and then today it becomes a big story. Surprise, right
we do is that boy we talked about this last night.
Sean Payton just doesn't seem to have any momentum going
forward at any of the head coaching jobs where wherever
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he was interviewing. We watched Carolina hiring Frank Wright today.
They actually spoke to Shaun Payton very early in this situation.
So you know, now the openings are down to Houston, Denver, Arizona, Indianapolis.
Who never talked to Sean Payton. So it's Houston, Denver
in Arizona. And then we get this today from Mark Maski,
who if you follow on Twitter, he's an NFL reporter
(20:43):
for the Washington Post and he put this out after
the Panthers wound up hiring Frank Reich is their new
head coach. He said that, uh, you know, according to
according to reports what we said, Well, now it's out.
It's out for Sean Payton. He's not going to be
the head coach for the A line of Panthers. And
he said there was an issue with Payton's interview with
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the Broncos. He likes the idea of coaching Russell Wilson
and having that defense, but fears a power struggle with
a member of the ownership group. This is Mark mask,
the NFL insider for the Washington Post. Sean Payton had
to quote tweet that and say zero truth to this.
We had a great visit and Broncos ownership was fantastic. Uh.
You couple this with the headline that that looks like
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the Broncos are moving towards Damiko Ryan's to be there
their new head coach, and now, um, where is he
gonna end up? It's like Sean Payton now has to
take Arizona or nothing, right, Like it's it's Arizona or Houston, Right,
That's what it is. It's Arizona, Houston or nothing. And
are these jobs you really want? Like he's gone from
being the most sought after guy, and people are gonna
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pay whatever they can to go get him. And now
I feel like he's gonna pull out and just staying
broadcasting one more year because he didn't he didn't come
out and say I'm ready to get back into coaching.
To have to sit here and choose between Arizona, where
you've got an injured quarterback that's gonna take into next season,
and starting over the Houston Texans. He had stars in
his eyes, where it's gonna be Dallas, it's gonna be Miami,
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it's gonna be somewhere big, and suddenly, now hey it's
the desert, or you you can try to start things
all over in Houston. Um, he's gonna slowly pull back.
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls his name out
of contention saying, you know what, this is not my year.
I'm gonna sit it one more year because he will
still be a hot candidate next year. The job he
really wanted, which you know was Cowboys head coach, is
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not happening. Mike McCarthy's staying, and you know they're they're
keeping Dan Quinn today. So now maybe you think their
succession plan is in place, McCarthy to Dan quinn, who's
not interviewing for head coaching jobs anymore, but the jobs
Peyton thought he was gonna get her just not there
and and well maybe he was intrigued by the Broncos.
But now you have different opinions to how his interview
went and how he felt about it, and is he
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trying to pull a power playing where the Broncos taken
aback by it? Really, he's gonna be in the broadcast
booth and he's gonna try to hit it again in
the next season with the next offseason where hopefully things
get better, they're bigger openings and maybe everything softens for
teams going out to get him. That can give because
I'll tell you what, the trade compensation has gotta be
a big deal when the same shot, say two first
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round picks as good as Sean Payton is, that's a
tough thing. I mean, right now, teams don't want to
give up to number one picks for a quarterback. You're
talking about should the Jets give up two for Aaron Rodgers?
This guy is a Hall of Famer that when two
m v p s before he had a tougher year.
This year, So you're talking about teams that it might
be questioning doing that, giving up two first round picks
for a head coach when really he's worth it, but
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you still see people backing off of it. No, man,
this just doesn't seem like it's the time for Sean Payton.
And if he takes a job, he's taking it just
to take it. So stay in broadcasting one more year.
You'll still be a hot candidate coming out of this
year and get back into it next season. It's funny, James,
because that's the whole coaching carousel started to spin, and
we were getting down towards those final weeks of the
(23:53):
regular season, we talked about this very topic and what
was it all about Dallas and the Chargers and then
the wing in a prayer if McDaniel were suddenly relieved
of his duties when that started being rumored in week eighteen, right,
suddenly there was this uncertainty uh going into the playoffs
(24:15):
of whether he'd retain his job. Not that you gave
it much of a percentage chance, but there was at
least a little whisper and rumor conjecture out there. The
rest of the jobs, and this is always the case
when a coach gets fired, or I shouldn't say always,
most of the time, it's the case case when when
a coach gets fired that there are it's fraught with problems.
(24:38):
You're not turnkeys solution where hey, you bring in one
piece or you are the missing piece in it and
it and it flips into something great. With Arizona, who
knows what the deal is? What? What's reality with Kyler Murray?
What is he about in terms of his work at
the communication? Whatever? We we've had nobody defend him and
(25:00):
he oh, yeah, he's coming off a monster injury. So
he's not available to you for three for the at
least half the season by normal timelines, unless all of
a sudden we get that report he's progressing so well.
But Houston, do you want to go work for that
owner and the way they've run things these last couple
of years. No? Your best player, uh, in terms of
(25:22):
your offense, Damian Pierce, you know, notwithstanding Brandon Cooks was
just like, I'm in Operation shutdown. This sucks. I'm done
with this right And that was in the middle, Like
he ended up putting up a couple of games at
the end of the year, long after fantasy owners who
had drafted him, expecting them to just wing it up
had long been been eliminated from everything. But it's just
(25:44):
the idea of just going around Carolina. What were they
gonna have to give up? What was temper legitimately gonna
have to give up to the Saints to keep Sean
Payton in the division? Whatever? The two first rounds plus
what right, what's what's the rest of that pack? It's
gotta be and just go on down the line. Like,
none of the jobs were turnkeys solutions except for the
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roster built by the Chargers. And yes, I I give
a lot of credit to Talasco. They need to figure
out what the hell is going on with the training staff.
But the selection of the players has been pretty good.
And then you have Miami with a lot of talent
on both sides of the ball. Think of the fun
Peyton would have with those two wide receivers and those
former San Francisco forty Niners running backs in the in
(26:31):
the backfield there with Wilson and once most it's healthy again,
You've got a lot of fun whoever your quarterback is.
But without those jobs or Dallas with the you know,
Jerry Jones always covetous, but now evidently likes Mike McCarthy
to be there as long as Tom Landry and the
hat right, those are the only three jobs that made
any any sense to leave the booth and sitting on
(26:52):
the couch and enjoying going undefeated every week. Twitter at
how about a fresca? Mike gets swollen down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. It's just
I guarantee this is not going at all. How he
thought it was gonna go like, Okay, I'm gonna come out,
everybody's gonna want me, I'm gonna talk to seven or
eight teams and we're gonna figure out I'm gonna get
(27:13):
my pick of the litter. And it just hasn't been
that way. It's been rocky from this is what we
want for draft compensation to oh, well, that opening is
not there. That opening is not there. It's almost like
he's a player who is thinking about going to the
you know, making the jump a year early to the
NBA or the NFL, and he's gonna be the number
one pick and he sees who has a number one
pick and says, now, I'm good. I'm staying in school
(27:33):
another year now. I want one more year enough. I
don't know who's got it next year, and I'll have
to do it next year. But boy, I really don't
want to go this year because the Jets have the
number one pick and I don't Manning showing up what's
going on here. I'm gonna stay another year in college
and hope that it just gets better a year from now.
And if I have to work a trade, I work
a trade. I mean, that's kind of where it is,
Like I feel his his brand is really suffering now.
(27:57):
And just think of what his brand was a month ago,
right the into the regular season, Sean Payton looming for
all these teams we're talking with him for Dallas for
McCarthy and Miami with Tom Brady for for Mike McDaniel.
All that's now slowly bang back and you look at
Sean Payton and it's wow. Anybody could really have Sean
Payton right now, and and anybody that wants, if they wanted,
could have him right now. Like don't they just don't
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think he just take I just don't think he'd take
every any job though, Like I think there's the other
side of that. It's like if I'm that's why you stay,
you wait, you wait for But that's what I mean.
I don't. I don't think it takes a hit on
his stock at all unless we start seeing hearing all
sorts of things that he had a rider that was
fourteen pages long, that teams wouldn't give him. Well, now
(28:39):
we're getting the Broncos story. They didn't get a lead.
He was worried about a power struggle with an owner.
I'm like, power of struggle. You're the coach, they're the owner.
I mean, what is it? Is it Conda Leeza Rice?
Tell me it's Condoleeza Rice and you guys were going
back and forth. But there was also the report of
whether he was going to get along with Russ, which
is what we surmised from the outset. Right man, go
back to teeth a Sean Payton, go back to TV.
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It's the right call. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays at
ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. One story I wanted
to tell here because we we we've been spending the
last minute talking about the life of Billy Packer. Uh
passed away earlier today. At the age of eighty two,
his son letting everybody know on social media. Billy Packer
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was the soundtrack to the n s A Tournament for
thirty five years. I feel like he did every single game.
He would change locations. He would be in the East
region during the day, he'd fly to the Southeast region
at night. And you know, we talked about his style
and how it wasn't for everybody and that he was
someone who was I think Mike Francessa had the best
(29:44):
big line about him. Used to say, Billy Packer would
do games like with like he had a red pen, right,
like I'm looking to maker, I'm looking at what guys
are doing wrong, and I'm saying what guys are doing wrong.
And it was different, right, You didn't have players being
critical of of college kids like that. And when he
would brought cast a game, he was very polarizing and
you would talk about what Billy Packers said during I
(30:05):
can't believe Billy Packers said this, and I was so
glad when that got slam. I mean, he made the
game more entertaining and there's no better Billy Packer moment.
You go back and look at one of the millions
of n c A tournament moments that that he broadcast.
But remember back in in two thousand five, one of
the great buzzer beaters was Patrick Sparks of Kentucky right
against Michigan State. You've seen the video a bunch of
(30:27):
times where Kentucky is losing by three at the end
and they get like three threes in the last eight
seconds in the final. One was Patrick Sparks who puts
up this three and it bounces off the rim, and
it bounces off the rim again, and it bounces off
the rim a third time, and it rolls around the
top of the cylinder and it rolls through for a
three pointer sends the game to overtime. The crowd goes crazy,
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right well, Patrick Sparks as a player that Billy Packer
was critical of in a previous game that he broadcast.
So after Patrick Sparks hits that three, he goes over
to the broadcast area where Billy Packer is doing the
game and he trash talks a little bits, how do
you like that? What do you think of that? And
and and this is a quintessential Billy Packer moment right
(31:09):
here he is. Here's Patrick Sparks getting his revenge. And
what did Billy Packer do. He put out his hand
for a high five, and Patrick Sparks smacks his hand
and then goes back and play. I mean a legendary moment.
And that's that's Billy Packer in one moment. Oh, he
piste off people so much by what he said. And
then the guy comes up. What does he do? He
high five as a kid after. I mean that that
that's that's Billy Packer in one story. But that's the thing, right,
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is that he stood out because he was, I guess,
for a lack of a better term, abrasive, right, he was.
He was a guy that was critical and wanted the
best game and best executed learnings and whatever else out there.
So he called it out when a play failed, why
it failed, and unfortunately that means names were used to
(31:55):
you know, the name names. He didn't just talk in generalities,
but he had a way about him that the love
of his of the game came through, which is why
he did it for as long as he did at
the highest of levels, and why he was such a
I mean, look at all the guys he worked with
and all the broadcast partners through the years. Wasn't it
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just Jim Nance. Didn't he do every game with Jim Nance?
Him to go back to stuff with Musburger and whatever
when he was studios things, you know, so like he
worked with a number of these legends and obviously Jim
Nance for a long while. But it's it's just that
idea of you know, different styles, right some folks look
at look at the NFL. Right now people have decided
(32:38):
they don't like Tony Romo anymore. It's it's the old
rule of thumb. We love it for eighteen to twenty
four months and now we don't anymore. Remember the Warriors
were great. They were reinventing the game. Damn it. They
ruined the game with all of their forty ft jump shots.
Lillie Packer, he's the guy who, whether you loved Humber
hate him, you tuned in because you knew you were
(33:00):
to get an honest call of a game. Yeah, and
it's it's you know he would. He was the kind
of guy that was as a broadcaster, he was ahead
of his time right now, you think about his whole career,
Like we talked about some of the times he got
in hot water for saying things off the air, and
and now he would be a lightning rod now if
he if he was on the air. But as a broadcaster,
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he was ahead of his time because he was that
first guy that would criticize college kids. Because I remember
even starting out on the radio when I was starting
my career in the early two thousand's, even when I
was at ESPN, it was really difficult. You didn't really
hear a lot of criticism of college athletes, right, you
didn't hear it. You just didn't. In college basketball, you know,
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everything was to yeah, yeah, and all the criticism was
the coaches. That was who got all the critics. Guy
in the position to make a play, they could that
the other this coach sucks, this coach did this. But
the player, ah, you know he should have been better.
You just never not that you never got it because
it was kind of this this unspoken thing. I you
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don't want to criticize kids. It's a bunch of kids.
But Billy Packer, you know, saw it as this is
a multibillion dollar industry. These kids are coming. You know,
he knows the kids are getting money, and you know
that it's it's where you know, they're getting scholarships and
there they have a pretty good life. Okay, so yeah,
if this kid's not playing, well, um, yeah, that's what
you would say, and that's what I would say it.
And he was unapologetic for it, and it's what made
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him so divisive. I remember Syracuse game before I even
graduated college, when Billy Packer would do a lot because look,
all Syracuse games in the early nineties were all big deals,
the Big East games against Georgetown and Yukon. You know,
Syracuse are sending guys at the NBA all the time, right.
It was the end of the Derek colemanera. I mean
to Sherman Douglas and and and Ronnie Psychly and all
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those guys. And he would come to the games and
he did a lot of with Musburger because that was
the pairing before Musburger got fired from CBS. And I
remember that, you know, just even even fans, even students,
just yelling stuff at Billy Packer and putting up signs
for Billy Packer, like more so than like you go
to a game, any other game besides Georgetown, you get
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all these signs up for you know, negative signs for
the other team, and all these kinds of crap, and
there'd be signs up for Billy Packer, Billy Packer, you
did Babba, and they would have to make him take
the signs down, and it was he was kind of
like the traveling rock star show. He's he was almost
like if I if I can, if I can convey
this the right. He was almost like a college basketball
(35:29):
but a little bit different version of Charles Barkley. That's
kind of what it was like, where he would say
things that would ruffle you, but you know, he's coming
at it with the expertise, and a lot of times
he got out of bounds with what he said and
he had to walk it back and he had to
say things like, Okay, I shouldn't have said that, and
there's you know, honestly, there were too many times in
his career he had to do that, but but he
still went back to it. Same thing with Barkley. Barkley's
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you know, you speak for a living and you speak
all the time and you say things. Barkley's always like, hey,
I should have walked this back. I should have said this.
I didn't mean to say this. So Barkley has done
that in the past too, but that's kind of what
Billy Packer was like. He's kind of a little bit
Frink version of Barkley. And if he would, if Billy
Packer's career was now, he would be the Barkley of
of college basketball. And that's what he would and he
would have a lot of attention every game he did.
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This is a Billy Packer game. What's he gonna say.
He's gonna say. He's gonna say that Joe Girard sucks,
and he's gonna say that Judah Mints is overrated, and
Jim Bay Jimmy's gotta walk away at something. You know,
he'd be saying all these things. And oh, Billy Packer
on the broadcast, that's kind of who he would be
right now. Yeah, I'll put it this way. Yeah, I
just as I'm refreshing my timeline and and we're watching
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the NBA game and everything and and and thinking about
Billy Packer and his history. The tweet from Dick Vital
comes out so sad to learn of the passing of
Billy Packer had such a passion for college basketball. My
prayers go out to Billy's son, Mark and the entire
Packer family always had great respect for Billy and his
partners Dick Edinburgh al McGuire. They were super maye Billy
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rest in peace. And I would, I think categorize Billy
Packer for an observational standpoint, right You're you're looking at
who he is and how he called games. Dick Vital
has always been seen as the audabashed cheerleader for college sports,
in college basketball right to where it's let's get the
(37:15):
crowd fired up, and Packer was doing the same thing
just through a different lens, right, Not that Vital can't
be instructional at times, but mostly he's a cheerleader and
hyping the best uh and and the big moments of
games and coaching decisions and stuff. Packard did the thing
with the the criticisms, whether you liked it or not.
(37:38):
And I think the two of them in tandem form,
you know, the the whole of our basketball watching broadcasting experience,
certainly from my childhood and all the way through to
today with with Dick Vital. Really, I mean, you know,
I mentioned to you a few minutes ago about all
the different highlights you're gonna see on the internet tonight
(38:01):
from college basketball, and it's all gonna be Billy Packer
and what Billy Packer has said about games. You're gonna
see a thousand big games, and Billy Packer is gonna
be part of him. Right. One of his big calls
is when Arizona won the national title, Miles Simon when
he says, Simon says championship. Uh, you have Arkansas winning
the n c A title in the nineties. There were
forty minutes of hell. Uh it looked there's so many
(38:22):
of them. Right to Kansas in the Final four against
North Carolina when they got out to that forty five
to three lead a few years ago. I mean, you
see all of these, but here's here's just to give
you a glimpse of exactly what Billy Packer was like
and how many, how long he was around, and how
important he was college basketball. I'm looked. I looked at
a highlight a couple of minutes ago of Billy Packer
(38:43):
doing an interview with Bobby Knight from nineteen seventy from
the Final four in nineteen seventy six, right is when
Bobby Knight went undefeated, Right, won the national championship. Because
Billy Packer did the Final four, then he did the
final four so I'm watching he didn't. Here's an interview
with him after calling the game, likely with his broadcast partner,
in nineteen seventy six. And then I just watch a
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highlight of him calling Steph Curry's forty point game in
the n ct A Tournament in two thousand and eight.
I mean, think about that. Bobby Knight in seventy six
and Steph Curry in two thousand, that's how long the
guy did. The n c A Tournament four, that's all.
It's insane to think about. That's only go no, no, wait, wait, wait, yes,
be a nineteen seventy six final four two thousand and
(39:26):
eight run for Steph Curry and Davidson. That blows my
mind that he did that.
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