February 25, 2023 • 41 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss Porzingis messed up big time leaving the Knicks, Arron Rodgers will end up staying with Green Bay next year, and Jason Cole - Longtime NFL Insider joins the guys!
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The nick suck. Not a drop, not a real drops. Sorry,
no note, not a real drop, not a real drop.
That's about the Mets, And you can't say that about
the Knicks because the Knicks just won again. The Knicks
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may never lose again. Julius Randall had seventy five points
look out, here come the knicks greatest motivator, his kid
mocking him at the All Star break. So that's good.
You can't shoot dad, can't watch me? Kid? You want
to eat dinner? You want me to go? You want
to go back to Chuck e Cheese? You better watch
built a brickhouse he had already. Doesn't matter because you
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know why, because the All Star Game doesn't count. You
know how, I know it doesn't count because nobody watched
it. It It doesn't count if nobody watches. Well, but a
lot of people commented and told me how bad it was. Well, dude,
you watch the pregame show. You watch the pregame show pop.
I mean, hey, I was all in. I respect my
artistic and journalistic integrity by watching things, so you don't
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have to go you you shut up. You're a liar.
You're a liar. You love the NBA All Star Game,
you love the pregame show. You I haven't on my
dr everything. I wanted that show. It was so good. Now,
before we get to other big news out of the NBA,
just just selfishly. You know what I love? You know
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what I love tonight? Look, but the Knicks did the
Knicks did beat the Wizards tonight, and the Knicks. I
told you before the before the All Star Game, the
couple of teams you're gonna watch and go on runs
in the last twenty three games, the Knicks are one
of them. All right, watch out. But you know what
I love is the fact that they beat the Wizards tonight,
and they beat Porzingis, and the Wizards are on their
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way to another mediocre finishing season, and Porzingis playing the
Knicks tonight saying, man, I really screwed up. I was
the King of New York. I was one of the
faces of the league, and Nope, it wasn't enough for
me and my brother and I decided I had to
get out and I had to go someplace else. While
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the Knicks tra hey, stay, it's gonna be great. Stay. No, no, no,
not enough for him. So now, oh, I'm gonna go
to Dallas, would be great. Oh Dallas didn't work out.
And now I'm just treading water in Washington where every
couple of weeks I'll have a couple of games in
a row that are good. Then I'll disappear. Yeah, boy,
I screwed up, and I love seeing You could just
see it in his eyes every time he's on the
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court against the nixt boy, Nick's got it going on.
They're pretty good. They got their point guard, they got
their boy. I could have been there. I could have
been a legend. I had five three tonight, I scored
twenty three points. I could have really been nub But
now here I am in basketball purgatory and it's all
my faults. John. This is why I love Live Drop Friday.
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This is gonna be there might be drunk. The way
that sounded, we would have to play that one back
just to well. The thing is, I know ty Shirt.
I know Ty Shirt already went to see Cocaine Bear today,
so I know he's fired up. I know he's fired up.
Were pastiously Raley gets a superstar on the Walk of Fame,
and he went and enjoyed a little cocaine base. A
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long time look for Porzingis to start there. Not not
to say, hey, the bulls have kept the nets two
under thirty percent shooting tonight, Pat Bev with a hero's
welcome in Chicago, is the fact that you really think
Porzingis would still be there even if his jackass brother
and he hadn't concocted any of those plans. They would
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have ditched him anyway. No, they would have. He might
have been there another year or two, but he'd be
gone now. But who knows what would have happened. I
mean maybe not. You could be right, he could have
been gone now with a new regiment. But they wanted
to give him everything, and he was a superstar in
New York again. He was one of the faces of
the league. And now he's just a guy. You know,
he he's not bad, He's a guy at the deadline.
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Now we have Porzingis, Will he help us? I don't know.
Maybe he was one of the faces of the league
and New York loved him. Mattith Square car multiple songs
written about yes, and now no one's writing a Porzingis
song about him. He's screwed up for whatever reason. No,
I'm not happy. I need to go whatever reason him
and his brother cooked up that he had to get out.
I don't like the direction of the team. You don't
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like the direction of the team. There's thirty teams in
the NBA, twenty five of them. You won't like the
direction of the team. So I don't know what you're
talking about. I don't like the direction of the team.
Chris go to Detroit, go to one of those teams.
You see. If you don't like that, I don't like
the direction of the team. Yeah, God, I don't like it.
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I don't like it. He's screwed up and now he
lives at every single day and I love it. We
have really brought into a really strange hellscape at this point.
Live Drop Friday has really created a whole teaka thing
is because because now with Live Drop Friday, like like
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tie Shirt and Frostberg are working on their timing, like okay, ready,
ready and three two one. Soon as Jason's done talking,
we went with the other poor zings. You're pretty good. Boom.
Well yeah, that wasn't bad though. I mean they're also
working on their harmonies. They're gonna be out on the road.
There's backups for the Beach Boys pretty soon. Help me, Ron,
help help The Beach Boys are like a hundred. That's
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all right, that's why they need an infusion of young blood.
You got Stamos on the drums, and then you guys
can come in and we don't open year olds now
the band buddy, you'll open for James Dolan and you'll
and if they paid enough, you'd show up. Who the
hell are you kidding? M I would I would pay
money to see tight shirt and Frostburg just do that
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for like a couple of minutes. Do you pay money?
Hey before we bring it? Here's Frostburg a tight shirt?
What man? Just trust me, Just trust me. It's awesome
to pay us in big Max or what five minutes
stand up routine coming from these two. By the end
of the day, we'll be all night America America. Yeah,
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and Save at Progressive dot Com. Now the other big
NBA story, which when I when I read about it today,
I thought, no, this is this is not true. Someone
just mistyped this. This is this is not the case,
because early today it was Russell Westbrook will start for
the Clippers tonight. Now I'm like Oh, okay, Well he's
gonna play. That means he's gonna play for the Clippers.
I Ope, he's gonna play. And then is it no, No,
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he's going to start. Russell Westbrook is going to start
for the Clippers, not come home bench, not come off
the bench in a defined role where hey, maybe he's
learned a little bit of his NBA humility. Boy, I
couldn't stick with the Lakers, and now I gotta make
it work with the Clippers. Boy, I really have to
understand where I'm at. Nope, Nope, Clippers are putting him
in the storing water. How could this possibly go wrong?
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I don't see there anyway for this to go wrong, Bunny,
He's smiless from ear to ear. You saw the viral
video from shoot Around earlier where he hits a three
from the corner. He's running around. Evidently they had some
wagers on whether a lot of laughing, a lot of joking,
a lot of excitement. I don't know. I'm all for it.
Whereas I get to watch the Suns without Kevin Durant
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once again as part of the late night activity in
the NBA, as we get back in full effect off
the the quote second half of the season. But I
don't know. I'm curious. Clippers fans are all excitable, and
I would love to see Russell Westbrook not be uh
well as horrible as he was across the locker room
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there at Crypto dot Com and actually have some value
because you've gotta get a lot of playing time. We've
discussed this before between Kawhi and Paul George. Plenty of
minutes to be had. Yeah, no, no, no, I got that, buddy.
But but here's the thing is that the reasons I
liked Russell Westbrook to the Clippers, because I remember Isaac,
people thought I was gonna zig. All the reasons I
liked it was because why he was coming in with
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a defined role, right, he was going to come off
the bench, he was gonna run. He was going to
run the second unit, and it was going to be
a defined role. And it wasn't going to be craziness
where he could yo yo in and out of the lineup, right,
Because when you play in this, when you're a starter
and you play in the second unit, Okay, it's difficult.
It's difficult for a player with the ego because you're
used to being a mail carrier, and then yeah, this
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is me and I'm the engine of this team, and
then you have to go when you come off the bench.
And that's a difficult thing ego wise. I get it,
and that's why things got difficult with Russell Westbrook. He
took to his role somewhat well, but you have dividing
reports from different members of the the team saying he was
a great teammate. He was an awful teammate. So now, okay,
bringing him in. Now he's learned his lesson. He understands
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this is what you're coming in at. Right, you're knocking
be one of those big three guys. We need you
to come in and kind of do what you were
doing on the court with the Lakers. Here we have
a little bit better supporting cast for you. There's less
pressure in coming in. There is no question about the
definition of your role. And that's why I liked and
instead it's like, nope, we're gonna put him in the
starting lineup and he's gonna start for it. All the
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reasons I liked it, Now I don't like it. Well,
it just needs you read read the room incorrectly, is
all that is. And there he is ready to take
on a massive role, smiling and happy as if everybody
was that reporter from two weeks ago, that complimenting him
on who he is and what he's all about. Remember
that glowing, glowing interaction there as opposed to what we
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normally get, you know, like with guys like our buddy
Dan Woike and others. No positivity here, all sunshine, rainbows,
lollypops and starting lineup. I think the one big wild
card to all this is all right, Tyler, are you
ready for it? That's it? And now I don't can
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you be ready for I don't know that you can be.
I don't know that you can be. I don't think
you're ready for this. You just now? So now what
happens when you have to tell Russell Westbrook he's gotta
come off the bench right now. I'm sure the one
of the reasons he signed was And remember when we
had Mark Medina on NBA dot Com Insider said, yeah, listen,
I'm gonna pour some cold water on the on the
Russell Westbrook thing. I've heard the conversations they had. I
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don't think it's gonna happen. Then suddenly it does happen.
Now I would not be surprised at all. If one
of the conditions they came back to was okay, you
can start. You know, you saw we signed you, you
can start, And maybe it was hey, I like to
come there while we were thinking to come off the
bench and you're gonna but no, I start, I'm or
I'm not signing. And then if he was able to
bulliese way into the starting line, A pie's my hero. Yeah,
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but I mean, but hey, thank you, I'm a starter. Okay,
we're we're we're a contending team and we're gonna acquiesce
to a guy that has bounced around four times than
a ball on a pinball machine in nineteen eighty two. Look,
and I'm not blaming Westbrook on this. This is yeah,
he was able to pull that off. Now, but I'm
gonna did the Clippers really think, hey, we're in that
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much trouble that yes, yes, we'll do whatever you need
coming in to start? Is he is? He is? He
wanted that beat? Like did they need him that? Bet?
Come on, you don't need him that bad. You're starting
to win, You're starting to get healthy by the time
you get to the playoffs. As long as Kauhi is
good enough, to play every game. Hey, yeah, you will
be one of those rising teams. A lot of experts
think the Clippers can can play really well season. It's
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all about it's all about the health of Kauai and
and things are looking up. And now okay, things are good.
But now let's go get Russell Westbrook and he's gonna
start for us. How is this going to go when
they realize, oh man, he's wow. This offense is not
working out well at all and the starters minutes don't work.
So hey, Russ, remember we remember we talked about that
whole starting thing. What if you started, but you started
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the beginning of the second quarter instead, Like, you're still starting,
but you're starting the beginning of the second We can
even have the the the announcer announce you and into
the game of guard from Los Angeles, Like, we can't
even have that. But instead of starting the beginning of
the game, you'll start the second quarter the game with
the other guys that start the second quarter of the game.
How does that sound? I mean, how is that conversation
gonna go? You know what I think really was the
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determining factor. As soon as Medina put that article out
that had the survey and the expectations on the Clippers.
They said, all right, all these sheep have jumped on
board this way, which means we need to zag. That
means that the end is coming based on past expectations
from media members. And how do we fix that. We
bring in Russ and we put them in the starting lineup.
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See what they're doing. Good luck, Come on, Clippers, good luck.
I can't wait. Hey, the game is fifteen minutes away.
I can't wait. I have the pregame on. I can't wait.
He'll be marrying the hot dog gun by halftime. I
want to blow stands. Uh yeah, I'm like you with
the NBA All Star Game pre game. I'm on Clippers
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pregame right now because I'm so excited to see how
this is gonna work. Watching to see all the interactions.
Did he smile at anybody? Did anybody getting mad at him?
I shouldn't say how it's going to work is how
it's not going to work. I wanted to see how
it's not going to work. That that's going to be
the best part. I'm not gonna lie. Eventually it goes
to the road to WrestleMania and all of this goes
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in the ether, but that's okay. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon
weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. We have
talked about Aaron Rodgers, who came out of the darkness yesterday,
and hopefully we'll hear in a few days what direction
he's going to take as far as what he wants
to do with his NFL career. Sure, and we've talked
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about him going to another team, staying with Green Bay,
or retire. Right, it's those three choices, and there's no
way he's retiring. And I would have said up until
today that, oh, there's no way he stays with the Packers.
But after the Russell Wilson story today, I can see
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if Aaron Rodgers paying any kind of attention. He probably
is now because he's out of the darkness, going man.
I would end and people were saying crazy things about
Russell Wilson on the internet. I came back out of
the darkness retreating. People are saying crazy things about Russell
Wilson on the internet. I was only gone for two days.
Oh he did the two day retreat. I couldn't take
it out to get out it to two days. But
the story today with Russell Wilson, and this is what
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it has to do with with Aaron rodgersting in Green Bay.
A story comes out the Athletic that before he was
traded to the Broncos, Wilson wanted John Schneider the GM
and Pete Carroll the head coach fired. It didn't happen.
He quickly got traded to the Broncos. What have we
seen in the time since Russell Wilson went from Seattle
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to Denver. You have seen no real support from former
teammates saying what a great teammate Russell Wilson is. Anything.
You've seen the opposite. Hey, look how glad we are
to be afrid of him. Look look how happy we
are now you've seen teammates, former teammates say, this is
what Russell Wilson was like, this is how he was treated,
this is why we couldn't win more. And it's been
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a big beat down of Russell Wilson in the media.
He goes to Denver and what happens. It continues. It
continues in Denver because he's not winning, and it culminates
in the story today. Hey, here's another story about Russell
Wilson what he did in Seattle. Now it comes out,
according to the Athletic he tried to get his head
coach in GM fired. Same story that says he's got
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an office on the second floor in Denver's offices, which
now was going to be gone because Sean Payton's say,
we're not doing that. So just think about if I'm
watching this a mom, Aaron Rodgers, Mike and I go wow, Okay.
So Russell Wilson and the Seahawks, they all knew each
other's secrets. Especially the Seahawks. They knew everything about Russell
Wilson because the guy was in the building with them
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for over a decade. They knew everything about the guy,
and while he was their quarterback, they somewhat protected him.
Pete Carroll protected him, other other coaches protected him for
whatever was going on behind closed doors. Because you can
tell that the relationship with Russell Wilson and his teammates
wasn't great. With some teammates, I'm sure it was good,
but with a lot of teammates, it wasn't. For quarterbacks,
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Wait a minute, you gotta get everybody to fight behind you,
especially a guy that's one like Wilson been to two
Super Bowls, he's won one. So if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I see that go man. So when they traded him,
Look at all this stuff that's gotten out that Russell
Wilson would like to not have gotten out, stories from
former teammates. Now, this story that I made demands to
get a coach and a GM fired. And here I am.
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It's over a year later and I've had a full
season with my new team, and I'm still gonna fight
this and I'm gonna be getting peppered in the media
for the entire time. I'm the coach that I'm with
the Denver Broncos because of how things went down in Seattle.
There is nobody in Seattle to protect my legacy anymore
because they don't have to because I'm on a new team.
So now you're seeing people getting more comfortable with saying
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things about Russell Wilson when he was there. And some
of it is is you know, some of it's true.
Some of it I'm sure is not true. It's it's
manufactured a little bit because well, I would like to
say this, I got an extra grind for whatever reason.
But that doesn't stop these stories from coming out. So
if I'm Aaron Rodgers and I'm Vince I want to
go to another team to play my last couple of years,
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I see this story and I go, Hmmm, is this
what's gonna happen to me when I leave Green Bay
and I go to the Jets or I go to
the Raiders, and Raiders might not be interested when I
go to the Jets. As soon as that happens, are
we gonna get Jeff Darlington reporting stuff out of Green Bay? Hey,
coaches have had it with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers had
his own meetings with teammates. Aaron Rodgers cussed out this guy,
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Aaron Rodgers. There is that stuff gonna get out? Is
that stuff that's hey behind closed doors? And even though
we don't all get along, and I don't get along
with Guda Coonston and me and La Floor and however
it goes, but they still have to protect me because
I'm the quarterback. Am I gonna go to my new
team and I'm gonna have that follow me and I'm
gonna have that legacy follow me. And then people say
how pissed off they were about this Darkness retreat and
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anything else, because he's been there a long time, Right,
he's been there, He's been with that team since two
thousand and nine. It's been a long time for Aaron
Rodgers to be there and for stories to come out
that are gonna follow him throughout his end the rest
of his NFL career, wherever he goes. That's the one
thing that gives me pause if I'm Aaron Rodgers to say,
maybe I stick it out here a little bit. Maybe
because if I stay here and I retire a packer,
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are they really going to start telling me how bad
things where I'm retiring a legend, retiring a packer, I
won a Super Bowl. It just seems like now it's
it's sour grapes. But now if I go someplace else,
stories come out. Hey wait a minute, I'm still playing.
I'm going to get asked these questions. It's still going
to be a story because I'm still playing. I'm not
retired anymore. That's the one thing that would make me think,
if I'm Rogers, do I really want to go someplace
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else and risk that this is the stories that's going
to get out about me when I go. Yeah, I've
been clinging as much as I'd like to pop that
bottle of champagne and get Rogers out of the division.
Thing we bought when you started trying to tell me
that Rogers was leaving green Bay. That day has not
come and we still have conflicting reports as to what's
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real what's imagined in his relationship with the team in
green Bay. Right you had Pallisero of NFL Net. We're saying, yeah,
you know, they still want him back. Obviously there's some
things they'd like to bridge and Rogers with his contract
and whatever needs to happen to make that happen. They
still need to work, but not the McGinn hey. They
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can't wait to run him out. Now. There's probably one
or two people in the building that McGill is close
with that have been happy to say it, and you know,
always anonymous, but it's always like like the three Mystery
Teams for Derek Carr. Oh, oh, I hate that guy.
I really want him going? You want do you like that?
I don't know. I don't want that on record. He
might be back, he might be back. What do I
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want with that? Russell Wilson quick to refute and try
to have his part of the ay I didn't want
to get a himbody fired. I love Pete. He was
a father figure to me, and John believed to me
and drafted me as well. I never wanted them fired,
all of us. All any of us ever wanted was
to win. I'll always have respect for them and love
for Seattle. And then you start getting through the person Zonah,
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the locker room guy. All of it right, because we
always thought Russell was a little off right and that
was the running thing. How much of this is an act? Well,
if Rodgers an act, he's been acting like a jackass
and has been running as the I'll be the weird
guy in the room. So anything that comes out can't
be as as bad as what he's seen written about
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him in the last twenty four months. I don't know
stance and everything else. If he's a bad guy in
the locker room, how is that any worse than what
the slings and arrows he's taking for everybody in the
sports media world and everywhere else. But that's different because
that because that's that's on the field, stuff that's on
the field affecting the product. Hey, is Aaron Rodgers really
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a good guy? Is Aaron Rodgers manipulative? Is he behind
the scenes he doing things because right now the image
is Hey Aaron Rodgers, Yes, is he a pain in
the ass? Yeah, when you see stuff like a darkness treat,
do you roll your eyes? Yeah. But he's always been
a quarterback who has been Hey, the guy wants to win.
The guy is unbelievably talented. He's done it with with
with guys who aren't that good around him, and everybody's
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got to get up to his level because he is
that because one of the top five quarterbacks in the
last thirty years in the NFL. But when it comes
to the point where hey, if you're fighting your you're
you are trying to be subservient behind closed doors, and hey,
I wanted I wanted this, and I'm just I'm not
saying this is what it is. But there's a lot
of stuff that could come up that I'm sure anybody
wouldn't want that out there. I'm sure that whatever power
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struggle has been going on behind closed doors with Rogers
and and and the front office and the coaches the
last couple of years, I think a lot of that
has been tamped down and said, you know what, we
can't we can't let that get out. We can't go
public with that comment on that. But we've all proved
terrible and toxic. Right, but it's taken out a red
pen and checking boxes of stuff you already believed to
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be true doesn't matter. With Russell, all of this is
a revelation because it was always you know, let's ride
and and everybody's together, and it's like, remember how many
people came out of the woodwork and they had their
baseball bats or in this case, golf clubs in hand.
As soon as there was a crack in the public
and private persona of Tiger Woods, I always knew he
was a fraud. La la la. And people couldn't get
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to a microphone fast enough to come out with all
of that, to try to tear down anything the man had.
Builds with Rust Wilson something there you go, some of
the same stuff with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know, it's
all but out there. He and his family don't like
each other, Yeah, but he is it all out there?
Is it is that worth of it? Do you really?
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Do you think he really cares what people say about him?
All right, let me throw something out there. Aaron Rodgers
doesn't care what people say let me just go thought,
let's see something from last day that's a good well,
I got a hammer at home. Appreciate this is this
is this is not this is not true. This is
not the But what if it's something where hey, uh sources,
Rogers wanted Davante Adams out, you know, during contract negotiations,
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Rogers wanted to get paid and was told don't pay Davante,
let him go to another team. What if something like that.
It could be something like that. And I'm not saying
that's true. I'm just throwing it out there because I
want you guys to understand there's things out there that
we may not know. And I'm not And again, I
want to say, that's not a true story. It's just
an example I brought up just to say that there
are things that go on that you probably don't want
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out there, that he probably doesn't want out there. Blog
that you're screwed now that the that well, you guys
didn't understand what guys are saying. No, no, you wanted examples.
So but but there's gotta be Green Bay people with itchy,
itchy fingers going admitted he leaves. I'm gonna tell this story.
I want to tell this story. I'm gonna tell this story.
I'm tell this story. It could be something like, hey,
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you didn't invite me on his Darkness treat. We're supposed
to go together and I can't believe anyone. But whatever
it is, there could be stuff out there. Maybe he
doesn't care. But do you really think he doesn't care?
He might not. Well, no, he'll go on. This guy,
idre tell you about how much he doesn't care. He can't.
He cares deeply about what is said about him and
about his image and everything else. He cares deeply about.
He doesn't want to sit here and fight and be
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an image of a guy that that is not liked
or is not respected. The minute he gets questioned on stuff,
he gets real huffy and he goes on with Pat
McAfee and he gets and he gets upset and he
gets his and he gets his thoughts out on it. Well,
why would people say this? I don't understand. This is
what frustrates me. He cares deeply about what is said
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about him. But Jayson, what you just said there, I mean,
being liked and being respected are a chasm away from
one another. Right there. There's a lot of people and
everybody out there, whatever job you have, think about your
your office, think about your workplace. Don't close your eyes.
You may be on the road in rain and treacherous conditions,
keep your you know nine and three and keep moving
down the road. But the idea that you got folks
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that you respect what they've been able to do. Do
you like them? Do you like how they didn't know?
But you respect the level of acumen and success that
they've been able to have in your office place, maybe
at your expense a time, you know, the old handful
to good strategy. Again, he doesn't strike me as a guy.
You have to respect what he's done on the field. Now,
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I could make fun of his post season failures and
obvious things where he should have had a struggle with
his coach instead of going in all right, you're in charge, boss,
and go into the sideline. You know, there's plenty of
those opportunities to be mocked and laughed at. But in
terms of his overall play for the last I mean
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he's been in the league since two thousand and five.
That I mean you have to respect that and whether
people like him or not, Again, I don't know that
he cares. I really don't just wait, just wait, wait
till you see stuff that will come out with it
when he gets dealt. Just trust me, try put a
pin in that. I'll tell him you try the one
thing that I can see him saying, yeah, stay, Oh,
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I don't think that would have anything to do with
him staying. We've talked about it a lot. Well, sure
it will. Well you'll never know, right because it wouldn't
come out. So either way, you can claim to be
right like I always am. I'm always it's it's it's
a whole big thing being Right's wig who he's been
there for two straight years? What you told me he
was leaving you Now he's leaving. But now he's leave
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the bus. You don't know that. It was just late.
It was just late, jets ye. Be sure to catch
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Russell Wilson allegedly tried to get Pete Carroll and John
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Schneider fired in Seattle. Russell Derek Carr wants thirty five
million dollars a year. No one better to talk to.
You can find him on OutKick check him out of
Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two. He is, of course
a longtime NFL insider and a Hall of very Good voter,
(27:53):
Jay Cole. What's happening, buddy, is a hall of fame,
and that's what you're going to refer to that from
now on. This very good stuff it's got to end,
except that if we're talking about your show. No wait,
I'm actually looking and I'm seeing live construction being done.
The actual word fame is coming down, and very good
is getting put up right now. Yeah, and look, it's
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all the guy, it's all the non revous guys who
went in this year that they have hard hats on.
They're putting up the very good, non the non revous.
I love that. Yeah, oh my god, so awful. Chuck
Chuck Howley is single handily destroying it. But that means
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that Cleco was just very good. That's what you're telling you, right,
It did take them a long time. Look, I love
Joe Cleco part of the Sack exchange, but it has
taken them a long time. Jag a long time jag
is a jag. But now that's all of very good.
You know, other people can get in now that it's
very good. It's okay. Derek Carr first ballot Hall of
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Famer if he wins with the Jets. The Jets told
him that earlier this week with their visit to him.
If he wins with the Jets, odds of that are
lesson zero or just slightly above good good Christmas movie.
Let's make a deal here right now on the show.
(29:30):
If Derek Carr left than zero, if Derek Carr leads
the Jets to two Super Bowls, that will put it
in the Hall of Fame discussion. You have to you
you got a less than zero reference out of me
with a little Elvis Costello, and you didn't appreciate that
(29:51):
for what it was worth, you know. I just you
should appreciate that fact that and just accept the fact
that the chances of the that's winning a championship in
your lifetime are less than zero. Hey, yea, but if
you do, I will personally personally come on the show
(30:13):
and say Yosambi seventeen times, no, no, no, no. You
need to be the guy in the room that stands
up and says, Derek Carr's gotta go in and you
give every single detail for something like that. Is there
an exemption whereas his brother gets to come and do it?
Oh my god. Yeah, I will give my vote to
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his brother if they win a Super Bowl. All right,
we have enough vote. Here's it. If Derek Carr wins
a Super Bowl with the Jets after he retires five
years after, I will personally give my vote to David
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Carr for that first year. Yeah, that's what will happen.
I probably here we go. I feel I feel no
threat at all, zero none, zelch that's it. So yos
to me me that right there. Okay, j this is
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Jersey Jason Cole talking to you right now. Okay, I'm
talking to you right now. It ain't happening. It's not happening.
So do that whole you know, yosa meani thing all
you want. It ain't happening. Looking at the votes here,
there was one vote for Derek Carr for the Hall
of Fame and one vote for David Carr for the
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Hall of Fame writing ballot. No, it would just say no,
it would say Derek Carr and his ballot would just
have Derek's name crossed out and in Penncylander it would
say right in David and be an X next to it. Lego, buddy,
(32:02):
all right, So hey, so where are you on this?
On this Russell Wilson trying to get everybody fine in Seattle?
It didn't work story from today. Look, I believe the reporters. Um,
you know, I trust the reporters. Now, I'll say this,
if I was an editor hat the Athletic, I'd say
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this is coming from you know, like the owner. Correct
that that's okay. The standard of who would would give
you this information is pretty darn high. Like Virginia Allen's
got to be on this one, right, Um, but I
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think is that his sister's name out, Paul? Is it
Virginia Allen who runs the team? Now, like that's a
that's the person you better have gotten this front or
somebody like right next to her who acts as her
surrogate and running the team, Like it has to be.
Like the number of sources on this one is probably
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counted on less than five fingers. So like that that's
where this better come from. It's not like you know,
John Schneider's friends leaked it out because they wanted to
make Russell look like a jerk. It can't be that
kind of sourcing in this one. So you know, I'm
assuming that they got top level sources and that's true.
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Like I don't put it past Russell. I mean, Russell
is an eagle, mamiac. I mean, based on just the
way he played this last year and the refusal to
change his ways, UM tells you an awful lot, which
is why ultimately Sean Payton has you know, he better
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have already gotten total buy in from Russell Wilson, with
Russell saying I will do whatever it is you want
me to do at whatever time it takes to do it. Um.
You know, I will follow your orders to a t
um so that other Otherwise this thing is not going
(34:11):
to work because Russell believes that he is a pocket
quarterback and he's not um now and he has a
lot of work cut out for him to not be
a pure pocket quarterback. UM. And you know, to prove
at age thirty five that he can still get out
on the edge and run you know, the bootlegs and um,
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you know that he needs to get out away from
you know, the offensive line and all those defensive linements
so that he can actually see you downfield at least,
you know, like at least a certain percentage of the time,
so that the defensive line isn't just running to a
spot in the ground where they know he is and
like throwing their hands up and saying, you know, look,
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you're basically the size of a grommet. We know it.
You can't see over us. It's a problem for you. Now.
He got me thinking about Wallace and Grommet. But there
you go. That's right, my brother to all of that, though, Jake,
come here, come here, come here for the football analysis.
Get gramic sound. Yeah, we get some claymation in where
(35:17):
we can't. Yeah. I love all these reports though, right,
I want to get these guys fired. I've got an
office on the second floor, motivational posts whatever. The best
of him was Tariq Wolin, going back to week one,
going he's built like a zack of potatoes. That one
kind of got lost in the mix. Well, yeah, he
is pretty much. I mean, which look is he's He's
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a thick bodied guy, which is actually a good thing
for him in some ways. I mean, people don't remember
I Drew Breeves is pretty, you know, pretty thick torso,
which is how he managed to survive so long. Now,
Russell's a little bit bigger, but when you're a small quarterback,
you better have some thickness to you. Like that's the
that's the erry part about taking Bryce Young because Bryce
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Young is not only a shorter quarterback, he's skinny as
a rail. But that guy's going to get broken in
half if he's not careful. So, you know, that's one
of the biggest concerns that they have coming out of
this draft is we're gonna take this guy and he's
built that way, and so Russell's that's good for Russell
(36:25):
to sort of be built, little thicker, that's okay, But
he's got to watch it really carefully because again he's
got to be able to get out on the edge
and change where he is on the field. And again,
it's not all the time because you get all these
stat master people who throw it at you that, oh,
his pocket percentage is this and this and this. He's
really a great quarterback from the pocket. Yes, he is
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a great quarterback from the pocket, as long as he's
able to move the pocket around or move around enough
that the defensive line doesn't know where to go find
him all the time. If you know where to go
find him all the time, he's not so good in
the pocket. And that's what happened this last year. But
he's helped bent on this whole. I can be the
next Drew Brees and play from the pocket all the time.
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And now they've got Sean Payton. He thinks he's going
to do it. Look, Sean Payton has his handsful of
this one. He really really does. And he better have
total control over Russell Wilton. Well, I'll tell you what
surprise when those j Coles you talk about that when
he gets all the extra cardio he needs, not by
doing high knees at thirty three thousand feet, but by
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walking up the steps to his office in Denver every
day like he did last year. Flight of stairs. But
that was a whole stairs he had last year. Yeah, right,
I got a feeling that's not in in the plan anymore.
He got a painted over his mural. Huh. Yeah. Got
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a feeling that the only time he's coming up to
the second floor is when Sean says we need to talk. Um,
You're going to be on the first floor the Bowling
Center for quite some time here, Russell, I you know,
it's either that or I mean a serious way, Sean
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Payton better have gone into this thing saying we're either
going to do it this way or I have the
option to cut this guy if he won't do it
my way, and you're going to have to live with that.
And I you know, Sean Payton is a smart enough
guy that he would have gotten that in the contract,
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that he has that kind of ability. I'm not saying
that he's going in wanting to do that, But if
Russell Wilson is not going to listen to him that way,
is not going to follow the commands and you know
his instruction on this one and learn how to play
in a more efficient way, then yeah, I think this
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is headed towards a very quick divorce. And the guy
who's gonna go is Russell, not not Sean pay Oh
chaos theory, I like it. Last one for you from me,
Jacole real quick. The Darkness Retreat is over. Odds that
Aaron Rodgers is light. I'm in Oregon right now. Yeah,
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I'm aheaded for the cave dwelling whatever they call it. Yeah,
I'm gonna find out if he's really left or not.
So I'm a little behind on the story. But I'm
in I'm in the area. I'm actually in Portland right now,
and it's freezing cold and there is ice everywhere. It's
a mess. But um, but yeah, the Darkness Retreat. Um,
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you know what did his inner you know, did his
inner voice tell him to walk away from sixty million dollars?
Do we think that that really happened? No, not that.
So out of the other two options, he's somewhere else
or he's a packer. What do we got. It's jets
or nothing. Good jets or nothing. Well, I'm injecting them
(40:03):
into the conversation. Jets are nothing. Yeah, yeah, it's there. Nothing. Yeah.
How do you think the Darkness Retreat's gonna go over
in Jersey? Um? How many people? How many people in
the greater New York area, really believe in darkness Retreat?
Just why? Just why? I know it's called the Blackout
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New York. Ever set them all the time? He got them.
I just don't reflect on stuff. I just kind of
I just kind of sitting and yell at people out
of the window in my in my apartment. That's what
I do during the talk, right I'd say they do
that all the time. You know, Hey, Adela, can you
just shut up for a while. You know, like the
lights around you know, it's just the way that's gonna go. Yeah,
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you look at me when I'm talking to you. I
threw to the right receiver on that one, Rich, That's
what I'm talking about. I threw to that guy. You
thought you thought it was an oct No, no, no,
that was right down, Rich, What are you talking? Follow
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on Twitter at Jason Coal sixty two. That is at
Jason Cole sixty two. Check out his latest on out
Kick as well. Jay Cole is always buddy of David
Carr and David Carr voting for the Hall of Fame
or whatever. Ye be saved about that, brother, I'll talk later.
See looking forward to that, David Carr voting for the
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Hall of Fame
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The nick suck. Not a drop, not a real drops. Sorry,
no note, not a real drop, not a real drop.
That's about the Mets, And you can't say that about
the Knicks because the Knicks just won again. The Knicks
(01:05):
may never lose again. Julius Randall had seventy five points
look out, here come the knicks greatest motivator, his kid
mocking him at the All Star break. So that's good.
You can't shoot dad, can't watch me? Kid? You want
to eat dinner? You want me to go? You want
to go back to Chuck e Cheese? You better watch
built a brickhouse he had already. Doesn't matter because you
(01:29):
know why, because the All Star Game doesn't count. You
know how, I know it doesn't count because nobody watched
it. It It doesn't count if nobody watches. Well, but a
lot of people commented and told me how bad it was. Well, dude,
you watch the pregame show. You watch the pregame show pop.
I mean, hey, I was all in. I respect my
artistic and journalistic integrity by watching things, so you don't
(01:51):
have to go you you shut up. You're a liar.
You're a liar. You love the NBA All Star Game,
you love the pregame show. You I haven't on my
dr everything. I wanted that show. It was so good. Now,
before we get to other big news out of the NBA,
just just selfishly. You know what I love? You know
(02:13):
what I love tonight? Look, but the Knicks did the
Knicks did beat the Wizards tonight, and the Knicks. I
told you before the before the All Star Game, the
couple of teams you're gonna watch and go on runs
in the last twenty three games, the Knicks are one
of them. All right, watch out. But you know what
I love is the fact that they beat the Wizards tonight,
and they beat Porzingis, and the Wizards are on their
(02:35):
way to another mediocre finishing season, and Porzingis playing the
Knicks tonight saying, man, I really screwed up. I was
the King of New York. I was one of the
faces of the league, and Nope, it wasn't enough for
me and my brother and I decided I had to
get out and I had to go someplace else. While
(02:56):
the Knicks tra hey, stay, it's gonna be great. Stay. No, no, no,
not enough for him. So now, oh, I'm gonna go
to Dallas, would be great. Oh Dallas didn't work out.
And now I'm just treading water in Washington where every
couple of weeks I'll have a couple of games in
a row that are good. Then I'll disappear. Yeah, boy,
I screwed up, and I love seeing You could just
see it in his eyes every time he's on the
(03:17):
court against the nixt boy, Nick's got it going on.
They're pretty good. They got their point guard, they got
their boy. I could have been there. I could have
been a legend. I had five three tonight, I scored
twenty three points. I could have really been nub But
now here I am in basketball purgatory and it's all
my faults. John. This is why I love Live Drop Friday.
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This is gonna be there might be drunk. The way
that sounded, we would have to play that one back
just to well. The thing is, I know ty Shirt.
I know Ty Shirt already went to see Cocaine Bear today,
so I know he's fired up. I know he's fired up.
Were pastiously Raley gets a superstar on the Walk of Fame,
and he went and enjoyed a little cocaine base. A
(04:05):
long time look for Porzingis to start there. Not not
to say, hey, the bulls have kept the nets two
under thirty percent shooting tonight, Pat Bev with a hero's
welcome in Chicago, is the fact that you really think
Porzingis would still be there even if his jackass brother
and he hadn't concocted any of those plans. They would
(04:25):
have ditched him anyway. No, they would have. He might
have been there another year or two, but he'd be
gone now. But who knows what would have happened. I
mean maybe not. You could be right, he could have
been gone now with a new regiment. But they wanted
to give him everything, and he was a superstar in
New York again. He was one of the faces of
the league. And now he's just a guy. You know,
he he's not bad, He's a guy at the deadline.
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Now we have Porzingis, Will he help us? I don't know.
Maybe he was one of the faces of the league
and New York loved him. Mattith Square car multiple songs
written about yes, and now no one's writing a Porzingis
song about him. He's screwed up for whatever reason. No,
I'm not happy. I need to go whatever reason him
and his brother cooked up that he had to get out.
I don't like the direction of the team. You don't
(05:08):
like the direction of the team. There's thirty teams in
the NBA, twenty five of them. You won't like the
direction of the team. So I don't know what you're
talking about. I don't like the direction of the team.
Chris go to Detroit, go to one of those teams.
You see. If you don't like that, I don't like
the direction of the team. Yeah, God, I don't like it.
(05:30):
I don't like it. He's screwed up and now he
lives at every single day and I love it. We
have really brought into a really strange hellscape at this point.
Live Drop Friday has really created a whole teaka thing
is because because now with Live Drop Friday, like like
(05:50):
tie Shirt and Frostberg are working on their timing, like okay, ready,
ready and three two one. Soon as Jason's done talking,
we went with the other poor zings. You're pretty good. Boom.
Well yeah, that wasn't bad though. I mean they're also
working on their harmonies. They're gonna be out on the road.
There's backups for the Beach Boys pretty soon. Help me, Ron,
help help The Beach Boys are like a hundred. That's
(06:11):
all right, that's why they need an infusion of young blood.
You got Stamos on the drums, and then you guys
can come in and we don't open year olds now
the band buddy, you'll open for James Dolan and you'll
and if they paid enough, you'd show up. Who the
hell are you kidding? M I would I would pay
money to see tight shirt and Frostburg just do that
(06:32):
for like a couple of minutes. Do you pay money?
Hey before we bring it? Here's Frostburg a tight shirt?
What man? Just trust me, Just trust me. It's awesome
to pay us in big Max or what five minutes
stand up routine coming from these two. By the end
of the day, we'll be all night America America. Yeah,
(06:55):
uh twitter at how about a fresca? Mike gets swollen
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and Save at Progressive dot Com. Now the other big
NBA story, which when I when I read about it today,
I thought, no, this is this is not true. Someone
just mistyped this. This is this is not the case,
because early today it was Russell Westbrook will start for
the Clippers tonight. Now I'm like Oh, okay, Well he's
gonna play. That means he's gonna play for the Clippers.
I Ope, he's gonna play. And then is it no, No,
(07:38):
he's going to start. Russell Westbrook is going to start
for the Clippers, not come home bench, not come off
the bench in a defined role where hey, maybe he's
learned a little bit of his NBA humility. Boy, I
couldn't stick with the Lakers, and now I gotta make
it work with the Clippers. Boy, I really have to
understand where I'm at. Nope, Nope, Clippers are putting him
in the storing water. How could this possibly go wrong?
(08:00):
I don't see there anyway for this to go wrong, Bunny,
He's smiless from ear to ear. You saw the viral
video from shoot Around earlier where he hits a three
from the corner. He's running around. Evidently they had some
wagers on whether a lot of laughing, a lot of joking,
a lot of excitement. I don't know. I'm all for it.
Whereas I get to watch the Suns without Kevin Durant
(08:23):
once again as part of the late night activity in
the NBA, as we get back in full effect off
the the quote second half of the season. But I
don't know. I'm curious. Clippers fans are all excitable, and
I would love to see Russell Westbrook not be uh
well as horrible as he was across the locker room
(08:47):
there at Crypto dot Com and actually have some value
because you've gotta get a lot of playing time. We've
discussed this before between Kawhi and Paul George. Plenty of
minutes to be had. Yeah, no, no, no, I got that, buddy.
But but here's the thing is that the reasons I
liked Russell Westbrook to the Clippers, because I remember Isaac,
people thought I was gonna zig. All the reasons I
liked it was because why he was coming in with
(09:08):
a defined role, right, he was going to come off
the bench, he was gonna run. He was going to
run the second unit, and it was going to be
a defined role. And it wasn't going to be craziness
where he could yo yo in and out of the lineup, right,
Because when you play in this, when you're a starter
and you play in the second unit, Okay, it's difficult.
It's difficult for a player with the ego because you're
used to being a mail carrier, and then yeah, this
(09:30):
is me and I'm the engine of this team, and
then you have to go when you come off the bench.
And that's a difficult thing ego wise. I get it,
and that's why things got difficult with Russell Westbrook. He
took to his role somewhat well, but you have dividing
reports from different members of the the team saying he was
a great teammate. He was an awful teammate. So now, okay,
bringing him in. Now he's learned his lesson. He understands
(09:51):
this is what you're coming in at. Right, you're knocking
be one of those big three guys. We need you
to come in and kind of do what you were
doing on the court with the Lakers. Here we have
a little bit better supporting cast for you. There's less
pressure in coming in. There is no question about the
definition of your role. And that's why I liked and
instead it's like, nope, we're gonna put him in the
starting lineup and he's gonna start for it. All the
(10:12):
reasons I liked it, Now I don't like it. Well,
it just needs you read read the room incorrectly, is
all that is. And there he is ready to take
on a massive role, smiling and happy as if everybody
was that reporter from two weeks ago, that complimenting him
on who he is and what he's all about. Remember
that glowing, glowing interaction there as opposed to what we
(10:34):
normally get, you know, like with guys like our buddy
Dan Woike and others. No positivity here, all sunshine, rainbows,
lollypops and starting lineup. I think the one big wild
card to all this is all right, Tyler, are you
ready for it? That's it? And now I don't can
(10:55):
you be ready for I don't know that you can be.
I don't know that you can be. I don't think
you're ready for this. You just now? So now what
happens when you have to tell Russell Westbrook he's gotta
come off the bench right now. I'm sure the one
of the reasons he signed was And remember when we
had Mark Medina on NBA dot Com Insider said, yeah, listen,
I'm gonna pour some cold water on the on the
Russell Westbrook thing. I've heard the conversations they had. I
(11:17):
don't think it's gonna happen. Then suddenly it does happen.
Now I would not be surprised at all. If one
of the conditions they came back to was okay, you
can start. You know, you saw we signed you, you
can start, And maybe it was hey, I like to
come there while we were thinking to come off the
bench and you're gonna but no, I start, I'm or
I'm not signing. And then if he was able to
bulliese way into the starting line, A pie's my hero. Yeah,
(11:39):
but I mean, but hey, thank you, I'm a starter. Okay,
we're we're we're a contending team and we're gonna acquiesce
to a guy that has bounced around four times than
a ball on a pinball machine in nineteen eighty two. Look,
and I'm not blaming Westbrook on this. This is yeah,
he was able to pull that off. Now, but I'm
gonna did the Clippers really think, hey, we're in that
(12:00):
much trouble that yes, yes, we'll do whatever you need
coming in to start? Is he is? He is? He
wanted that beat? Like did they need him that? Bet?
Come on, you don't need him that bad. You're starting
to win, You're starting to get healthy by the time
you get to the playoffs. As long as Kauhi is
good enough, to play every game. Hey, yeah, you will
be one of those rising teams. A lot of experts
think the Clippers can can play really well season. It's
(12:23):
all about it's all about the health of Kauai and
and things are looking up. And now okay, things are good.
But now let's go get Russell Westbrook and he's gonna
start for us. How is this going to go when
they realize, oh man, he's wow. This offense is not
working out well at all and the starters minutes don't work.
So hey, Russ, remember we remember we talked about that
whole starting thing. What if you started, but you started
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the beginning of the second quarter instead, Like, you're still starting,
but you're starting the beginning of the second We can
even have the the the announcer announce you and into
the game of guard from Los Angeles, Like, we can't
even have that. But instead of starting the beginning of
the game, you'll start the second quarter the game with
the other guys that start the second quarter of the game.
How does that sound? I mean, how is that conversation
gonna go? You know what I think really was the
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determining factor. As soon as Medina put that article out
that had the survey and the expectations on the Clippers.
They said, all right, all these sheep have jumped on
board this way, which means we need to zag. That
means that the end is coming based on past expectations
from media members. And how do we fix that. We
bring in Russ and we put them in the starting lineup.
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See what they're doing. Good luck, Come on, Clippers, good luck.
I can't wait. Hey, the game is fifteen minutes away.
I can't wait. I have the pregame on. I can't wait.
He'll be marrying the hot dog gun by halftime. I
want to blow stands. Uh yeah, I'm like you with
the NBA All Star Game pre game. I'm on Clippers
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pregame right now because I'm so excited to see how
this is gonna work. Watching to see all the interactions.
Did he smile at anybody? Did anybody getting mad at him?
I shouldn't say how it's going to work is how
it's not going to work. I wanted to see how
it's not going to work. That that's going to be
the best part. I'm not gonna lie. Eventually it goes
to the road to WrestleMania and all of this goes
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in the ether, but that's okay. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon
weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. We have
talked about Aaron Rodgers, who came out of the darkness yesterday,
and hopefully we'll hear in a few days what direction
he's going to take as far as what he wants
to do with his NFL career. Sure, and we've talked
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about him going to another team, staying with Green Bay,
or retire. Right, it's those three choices, and there's no
way he's retiring. And I would have said up until
today that, oh, there's no way he stays with the Packers.
But after the Russell Wilson story today, I can see
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if Aaron Rodgers paying any kind of attention. He probably
is now because he's out of the darkness, going man.
I would end and people were saying crazy things about
Russell Wilson on the internet. I came back out of
the darkness retreating. People are saying crazy things about Russell
Wilson on the internet. I was only gone for two days.
Oh he did the two day retreat. I couldn't take
it out to get out it to two days. But
the story today with Russell Wilson, and this is what
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it has to do with with Aaron rodgersting in Green Bay.
A story comes out the Athletic that before he was
traded to the Broncos, Wilson wanted John Schneider the GM
and Pete Carroll the head coach fired. It didn't happen.
He quickly got traded to the Broncos. What have we
seen in the time since Russell Wilson went from Seattle
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to Denver. You have seen no real support from former
teammates saying what a great teammate Russell Wilson is. Anything.
You've seen the opposite. Hey, look how glad we are
to be afrid of him. Look look how happy we
are now you've seen teammates, former teammates say, this is
what Russell Wilson was like, this is how he was treated,
this is why we couldn't win more. And it's been
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a big beat down of Russell Wilson in the media.
He goes to Denver and what happens. It continues. It
continues in Denver because he's not winning, and it culminates
in the story today. Hey, here's another story about Russell
Wilson what he did in Seattle. Now it comes out,
according to the Athletic he tried to get his head
coach in GM fired. Same story that says he's got
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an office on the second floor in Denver's offices, which
now was going to be gone because Sean Payton's say,
we're not doing that. So just think about if I'm
watching this a mom, Aaron Rodgers, Mike and I go wow, Okay.
So Russell Wilson and the Seahawks, they all knew each
other's secrets. Especially the Seahawks. They knew everything about Russell
Wilson because the guy was in the building with them
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for over a decade. They knew everything about the guy,
and while he was their quarterback, they somewhat protected him.
Pete Carroll protected him, other other coaches protected him for
whatever was going on behind closed doors. Because you can
tell that the relationship with Russell Wilson and his teammates
wasn't great. With some teammates, I'm sure it was good,
but with a lot of teammates, it wasn't. For quarterbacks,
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Wait a minute, you gotta get everybody to fight behind you,
especially a guy that's one like Wilson been to two
Super Bowls, he's won one. So if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I see that go man. So when they traded him,
Look at all this stuff that's gotten out that Russell
Wilson would like to not have gotten out, stories from
former teammates. Now, this story that I made demands to
get a coach and a GM fired. And here I am.
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It's over a year later and I've had a full
season with my new team, and I'm still gonna fight
this and I'm gonna be getting peppered in the media
for the entire time. I'm the coach that I'm with
the Denver Broncos because of how things went down in Seattle.
There is nobody in Seattle to protect my legacy anymore
because they don't have to because I'm on a new team.
So now you're seeing people getting more comfortable with saying
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things about Russell Wilson when he was there. And some
of it is is you know, some of it's true.
Some of it I'm sure is not true. It's it's
manufactured a little bit because well, I would like to
say this, I got an extra grind for whatever reason.
But that doesn't stop these stories from coming out. So
if I'm Aaron Rodgers and I'm Vince I want to
go to another team to play my last couple of years,
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I see this story and I go, Hmmm, is this
what's gonna happen to me when I leave Green Bay
and I go to the Jets or I go to
the Raiders, and Raiders might not be interested when I
go to the Jets. As soon as that happens, are
we gonna get Jeff Darlington reporting stuff out of Green Bay? Hey,
coaches have had it with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers had
his own meetings with teammates. Aaron Rodgers cussed out this guy,
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Aaron Rodgers. There is that stuff gonna get out? Is
that stuff that's hey behind closed doors? And even though
we don't all get along, and I don't get along
with Guda Coonston and me and La Floor and however
it goes, but they still have to protect me because
I'm the quarterback. Am I gonna go to my new
team and I'm gonna have that follow me and I'm
gonna have that legacy follow me. And then people say
how pissed off they were about this Darkness retreat and
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anything else, because he's been there a long time, Right,
he's been there, He's been with that team since two
thousand and nine. It's been a long time for Aaron
Rodgers to be there and for stories to come out
that are gonna follow him throughout his end the rest
of his NFL career, wherever he goes. That's the one
thing that gives me pause if I'm Aaron Rodgers to say,
maybe I stick it out here a little bit. Maybe
because if I stay here and I retire a packer,
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are they really going to start telling me how bad
things where I'm retiring a legend, retiring a packer, I
won a Super Bowl. It just seems like now it's
it's sour grapes. But now if I go someplace else,
stories come out. Hey wait a minute, I'm still playing.
I'm going to get asked these questions. It's still going
to be a story because I'm still playing. I'm not
retired anymore. That's the one thing that would make me think,
if I'm Rogers, do I really want to go someplace
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else and risk that this is the stories that's going
to get out about me when I go. Yeah, I've
been clinging as much as I'd like to pop that
bottle of champagne and get Rogers out of the division.
Thing we bought when you started trying to tell me
that Rogers was leaving green Bay. That day has not
come and we still have conflicting reports as to what's
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real what's imagined in his relationship with the team in
green Bay. Right you had Pallisero of NFL Net. We're saying, yeah,
you know, they still want him back. Obviously there's some
things they'd like to bridge and Rogers with his contract
and whatever needs to happen to make that happen. They
still need to work, but not the McGinn hey. They
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can't wait to run him out. Now. There's probably one
or two people in the building that McGill is close
with that have been happy to say it, and you know,
always anonymous, but it's always like like the three Mystery
Teams for Derek Carr. Oh, oh, I hate that guy.
I really want him going? You want do you like that?
I don't know. I don't want that on record. He
might be back, he might be back. What do I
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want with that? Russell Wilson quick to refute and try
to have his part of the ay I didn't want
to get a himbody fired. I love Pete. He was
a father figure to me, and John believed to me
and drafted me as well. I never wanted them fired,
all of us. All any of us ever wanted was
to win. I'll always have respect for them and love
for Seattle. And then you start getting through the person Zonah,
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the locker room guy. All of it right, because we
always thought Russell was a little off right and that
was the running thing. How much of this is an act? Well,
if Rodgers an act, he's been acting like a jackass
and has been running as the I'll be the weird
guy in the room. So anything that comes out can't
be as as bad as what he's seen written about
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him in the last twenty four months. I don't know
stance and everything else. If he's a bad guy in
the locker room, how is that any worse than what
the slings and arrows he's taking for everybody in the
sports media world and everywhere else. But that's different because
that because that's that's on the field, stuff that's on
the field affecting the product. Hey, is Aaron Rodgers really
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a good guy? Is Aaron Rodgers manipulative? Is he behind
the scenes he doing things because right now the image
is Hey Aaron Rodgers, Yes, is he a pain in
the ass? Yeah, when you see stuff like a darkness treat,
do you roll your eyes? Yeah. But he's always been
a quarterback who has been Hey, the guy wants to win.
The guy is unbelievably talented. He's done it with with
with guys who aren't that good around him, and everybody's
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got to get up to his level because he is
that because one of the top five quarterbacks in the
last thirty years in the NFL. But when it comes
to the point where hey, if you're fighting your you're
you are trying to be subservient behind closed doors, and hey,
I wanted I wanted this, and I'm just I'm not
saying this is what it is. But there's a lot
of stuff that could come up that I'm sure anybody
wouldn't want that out there. I'm sure that whatever power
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struggle has been going on behind closed doors with Rogers
and and and the front office and the coaches the
last couple of years, I think a lot of that
has been tamped down and said, you know what, we
can't we can't let that get out. We can't go
public with that comment on that. But we've all proved
terrible and toxic. Right, but it's taken out a red
pen and checking boxes of stuff you already believed to
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be true doesn't matter. With Russell, all of this is
a revelation because it was always you know, let's ride
and and everybody's together, and it's like, remember how many
people came out of the woodwork and they had their
baseball bats or in this case, golf clubs in hand.
As soon as there was a crack in the public
and private persona of Tiger Woods, I always knew he
was a fraud. La la la. And people couldn't get
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to a microphone fast enough to come out with all
of that, to try to tear down anything the man had.
Builds with Rust Wilson something there you go, some of
the same stuff with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know, it's
all but out there. He and his family don't like
each other, Yeah, but he is it all out there?
Is it is that worth of it? Do you really?
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Do you think he really cares what people say about him?
All right, let me throw something out there. Aaron Rodgers
doesn't care what people say let me just go thought,
let's see something from last day that's a good well,
I got a hammer at home. Appreciate this is this
is this is not this is not true. This is
not the But what if it's something where hey, uh sources,
Rogers wanted Davante Adams out, you know, during contract negotiations,
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Rogers wanted to get paid and was told don't pay Davante,
let him go to another team. What if something like that.
It could be something like that. And I'm not saying
that's true. I'm just throwing it out there because I
want you guys to understand there's things out there that
we may not know. And I'm not And again, I
want to say, that's not a true story. It's just
an example I brought up just to say that there
are things that go on that you probably don't want
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out there, that he probably doesn't want out there. Blog
that you're screwed now that the that well, you guys
didn't understand what guys are saying. No, no, you wanted examples.
So but but there's gotta be Green Bay people with itchy,
itchy fingers going admitted he leaves. I'm gonna tell this story.
I want to tell this story. I'm gonna tell this story.
I'm tell this story. It could be something like, hey,
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you didn't invite me on his Darkness treat. We're supposed
to go together and I can't believe anyone. But whatever
it is, there could be stuff out there. Maybe he
doesn't care. But do you really think he doesn't care?
He might not. Well, no, he'll go on. This guy,
idre tell you about how much he doesn't care. He can't.
He cares deeply about what is said about him and
about his image and everything else. He cares deeply about.
He doesn't want to sit here and fight and be
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an image of a guy that that is not liked
or is not respected. The minute he gets questioned on stuff,
he gets real huffy and he goes on with Pat
McAfee and he gets and he gets upset and he
gets his and he gets his thoughts out on it. Well,
why would people say this? I don't understand. This is
what frustrates me. He cares deeply about what is said
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about him. But Jayson, what you just said there, I mean,
being liked and being respected are a chasm away from
one another. Right there. There's a lot of people and
everybody out there, whatever job you have, think about your
your office, think about your workplace. Don't close your eyes.
You may be on the road in rain and treacherous conditions,
keep your you know nine and three and keep moving
down the road. But the idea that you got folks
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that you respect what they've been able to do. Do
you like them? Do you like how they didn't know?
But you respect the level of acumen and success that
they've been able to have in your office place, maybe
at your expense a time, you know, the old handful
to good strategy. Again, he doesn't strike me as a guy.
You have to respect what he's done on the field. Now,
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I could make fun of his post season failures and
obvious things where he should have had a struggle with
his coach instead of going in all right, you're in charge, boss,
and go into the sideline. You know, there's plenty of
those opportunities to be mocked and laughed at. But in
terms of his overall play for the last I mean
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he's been in the league since two thousand and five.
That I mean you have to respect that and whether
people like him or not, Again, I don't know that
he cares. I really don't just wait, just wait, wait
till you see stuff that will come out with it
when he gets dealt. Just trust me, try put a
pin in that. I'll tell him you try the one
thing that I can see him saying, yeah, stay, Oh,
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I don't think that would have anything to do with
him staying. We've talked about it a lot. Well, sure
it will. Well you'll never know, right because it wouldn't
come out. So either way, you can claim to be
right like I always am. I'm always it's it's it's
a whole big thing being Right's wig who he's been
there for two straight years? What you told me he
was leaving you Now he's leaving. But now he's leave
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the bus. You don't know that. It was just late.
It was just late, jets ye. Be sure to catch
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the hot line for all the latest news in the NFL.
Russell Wilson allegedly tried to get Pete Carroll and John
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Schneider fired in Seattle. Russell Derek Carr wants thirty five
million dollars a year. No one better to talk to.
You can find him on OutKick check him out of
Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two. He is, of course
a longtime NFL insider and a Hall of very Good voter,
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Jay Cole. What's happening, buddy, is a hall of fame,
and that's what you're going to refer to that from
now on. This very good stuff it's got to end,
except that if we're talking about your show. No wait,
I'm actually looking and I'm seeing live construction being done.
The actual word fame is coming down, and very good
is getting put up right now. Yeah, and look, it's
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all the guy, it's all the non revous guys who
went in this year that they have hard hats on.
They're putting up the very good, non the non revous.
I love that. Yeah, oh my god, so awful. Chuck
Chuck Howley is single handily destroying it. But that means
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that Cleco was just very good. That's what you're telling you, right,
It did take them a long time. Look, I love
Joe Cleco part of the Sack exchange, but it has
taken them a long time. Jag a long time jag
is a jag. But now that's all of very good.
You know, other people can get in now that it's
very good. It's okay. Derek Carr first ballot Hall of
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Famer if he wins with the Jets. The Jets told
him that earlier this week with their visit to him.
If he wins with the Jets, odds of that are
lesson zero or just slightly above good good Christmas movie.
Let's make a deal here right now on the show.
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If Derek Carr left than zero, if Derek Carr leads
the Jets to two Super Bowls, that will put it
in the Hall of Fame discussion. You have to you
you got a less than zero reference out of me
with a little Elvis Costello, and you didn't appreciate that
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for what it was worth, you know. I just you
should appreciate that fact that and just accept the fact
that the chances of the that's winning a championship in
your lifetime are less than zero. Hey, yea, but if
you do, I will personally personally come on the show
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and say Yosambi seventeen times, no, no, no, no. You
need to be the guy in the room that stands
up and says, Derek Carr's gotta go in and you
give every single detail for something like that. Is there
an exemption whereas his brother gets to come and do it?
Oh my god. Yeah, I will give my vote to
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his brother if they win a Super Bowl. All right,
we have enough vote. Here's it. If Derek Carr wins
a Super Bowl with the Jets after he retires five
years after, I will personally give my vote to David
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Carr for that first year. Yeah, that's what will happen.
I probably here we go. I feel I feel no
threat at all, zero none, zelch that's it. So yos
to me me that right there. Okay, j this is
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Jersey Jason Cole talking to you right now. Okay, I'm
talking to you right now. It ain't happening. It's not happening.
So do that whole you know, yosa meani thing all
you want. It ain't happening. Looking at the votes here,
there was one vote for Derek Carr for the Hall
of Fame and one vote for David Carr for the
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Hall of Fame writing ballot. No, it would just say no,
it would say Derek Carr and his ballot would just
have Derek's name crossed out and in Penncylander it would
say right in David and be an X next to it. Lego, buddy,
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all right, So hey, so where are you on this?
On this Russell Wilson trying to get everybody fine in Seattle?
It didn't work story from today. Look, I believe the reporters. Um,
you know, I trust the reporters. Now, I'll say this,
if I was an editor hat the Athletic, I'd say
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this is coming from you know, like the owner. Correct
that that's okay. The standard of who would would give
you this information is pretty darn high. Like Virginia Allen's
got to be on this one, right, Um, but I
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think is that his sister's name out, Paul? Is it
Virginia Allen who runs the team? Now, like that's a
that's the person you better have gotten this front or
somebody like right next to her who acts as her
surrogate and running the team, Like it has to be.
Like the number of sources on this one is probably
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counted on less than five fingers. So like that that's
where this better come from. It's not like you know,
John Schneider's friends leaked it out because they wanted to
make Russell look like a jerk. It can't be that
kind of sourcing in this one. So you know, I'm
assuming that they got top level sources and that's true.
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Like I don't put it past Russell. I mean, Russell
is an eagle, mamiac. I mean, based on just the
way he played this last year and the refusal to
change his ways, UM tells you an awful lot, which
is why ultimately Sean Payton has you know, he better
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have already gotten total buy in from Russell Wilson, with
Russell saying I will do whatever it is you want
me to do at whatever time it takes to do it. Um.
You know, I will follow your orders to a t
um so that other Otherwise this thing is not going
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to work because Russell believes that he is a pocket
quarterback and he's not um now and he has a
lot of work cut out for him to not be
a pure pocket quarterback. UM. And you know, to prove
at age thirty five that he can still get out
on the edge and run you know, the bootlegs and um,
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you know that he needs to get out away from
you know, the offensive line and all those defensive linements
so that he can actually see you downfield at least,
you know, like at least a certain percentage of the time,
so that the defensive line isn't just running to a
spot in the ground where they know he is and
like throwing their hands up and saying, you know, look,
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you're basically the size of a grommet. We know it.
You can't see over us. It's a problem for you. Now.
He got me thinking about Wallace and Grommet. But there
you go. That's right, my brother to all of that, though, Jake,
come here, come here, come here for the football analysis.
Get gramic sound. Yeah, we get some claymation in where
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we can't. Yeah. I love all these reports though, right,
I want to get these guys fired. I've got an
office on the second floor, motivational posts whatever. The best
of him was Tariq Wolin, going back to week one,
going he's built like a zack of potatoes. That one
kind of got lost in the mix. Well, yeah, he
is pretty much. I mean, which look is he's He's
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a thick bodied guy, which is actually a good thing
for him in some ways. I mean, people don't remember
I Drew Breeves is pretty, you know, pretty thick torso,
which is how he managed to survive so long. Now,
Russell's a little bit bigger, but when you're a small quarterback,
you better have some thickness to you. Like that's the
that's the erry part about taking Bryce Young because Bryce
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Young is not only a shorter quarterback, he's skinny as
a rail. But that guy's going to get broken in
half if he's not careful. So, you know, that's one
of the biggest concerns that they have coming out of
this draft is we're gonna take this guy and he's
built that way, and so Russell's that's good for Russell
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to sort of be built, little thicker, that's okay, But
he's got to watch it really carefully because again he's
got to be able to get out on the edge
and change where he is on the field. And again,
it's not all the time because you get all these
stat master people who throw it at you that, oh,
his pocket percentage is this and this and this. He's
really a great quarterback from the pocket. Yes, he is
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a great quarterback from the pocket, as long as he's
able to move the pocket around or move around enough
that the defensive line doesn't know where to go find
him all the time. If you know where to go
find him all the time, he's not so good in
the pocket. And that's what happened this last year. But
he's helped bent on this whole. I can be the
next Drew Brees and play from the pocket all the time.
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And now they've got Sean Payton. He thinks he's going
to do it. Look, Sean Payton has his handsful of
this one. He really really does. And he better have
total control over Russell Wilton. Well, I'll tell you what
surprise when those j Coles you talk about that when
he gets all the extra cardio he needs, not by
doing high knees at thirty three thousand feet, but by
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walking up the steps to his office in Denver every
day like he did last year. Flight of stairs. But
that was a whole stairs he had last year. Yeah, right,
I got a feeling that's not in in the plan anymore.
He got a painted over his mural. Huh. Yeah. Got
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a feeling that the only time he's coming up to
the second floor is when Sean says we need to talk. Um,
You're going to be on the first floor the Bowling
Center for quite some time here, Russell, I you know,
it's either that or I mean a serious way, Sean
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Payton better have gone into this thing saying we're either
going to do it this way or I have the
option to cut this guy if he won't do it
my way, and you're going to have to live with that.
And I you know, Sean Payton is a smart enough
guy that he would have gotten that in the contract,
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that he has that kind of ability. I'm not saying
that he's going in wanting to do that, But if
Russell Wilson is not going to listen to him that way,
is not going to follow the commands and you know
his instruction on this one and learn how to play
in a more efficient way, then yeah, I think this
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is headed towards a very quick divorce. And the guy
who's gonna go is Russell, not not Sean pay Oh
chaos theory, I like it. Last one for you from me,
Jacole real quick. The Darkness Retreat is over. Odds that
Aaron Rodgers is light. I'm in Oregon right now. Yeah,
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I'm aheaded for the cave dwelling whatever they call it. Yeah,
I'm gonna find out if he's really left or not.
So I'm a little behind on the story. But I'm
in I'm in the area. I'm actually in Portland right now,
and it's freezing cold and there is ice everywhere. It's
a mess. But um, but yeah, the Darkness Retreat. Um,
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you know what did his inner you know, did his
inner voice tell him to walk away from sixty million dollars?
Do we think that that really happened? No, not that.
So out of the other two options, he's somewhere else
or he's a packer. What do we got. It's jets
or nothing. Good jets or nothing. Well, I'm injecting them
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into the conversation. Jets are nothing. Yeah, yeah, it's there. Nothing. Yeah.
How do you think the Darkness Retreat's gonna go over
in Jersey? Um? How many people? How many people in
the greater New York area, really believe in darkness Retreat?
Just why? Just why? I know it's called the Blackout
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New York. Ever set them all the time? He got them.
I just don't reflect on stuff. I just kind of
I just kind of sitting and yell at people out
of the window in my in my apartment. That's what
I do during the talk, right I'd say they do
that all the time. You know, Hey, Adela, can you
just shut up for a while. You know, like the
lights around you know, it's just the way that's gonna go. Yeah,
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you look at me when I'm talking to you. I
threw to the right receiver on that one, Rich, That's
what I'm talking about. I threw to that guy. You
thought you thought it was an oct No, no, no,
that was right down, Rich, What are you talking? Follow
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on Twitter at Jason Coal sixty two. That is at
Jason Cole sixty two. Check out his latest on out
Kick as well. Jay Cole is always buddy of David
Carr and David Carr voting for the Hall of Fame
or whatever. Ye be saved about that, brother, I'll talk later.
See looking forward to that, David Carr voting for the
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