Best of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger filling in for Jason Smith discuss Arron Rodgers latest updates on the Jets taking a plane out to meet him in person, Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson, and Pau Gasol celebration night at the Laker Crypto Center!

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This is the best of the Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmen on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. Maybe it's a
beautiful Tuesday night here Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show
with me Mike Carmen. There's no Jason Smith tonight. With
my bare hands, I have shuffled him off. Maybe he's
watching the Laker game in Paul Gasaw. Maybe he's out

(00:43):
eating another bowl of ice cream. I don't know, And
really we'll try to ascertain his whereabouts later on. But
you hear the laugh. That's our guy Rich Ornberger joining
us today. Please to have him on Sports seven sixty
down in San Niago, San Diego State Football Pence eight
Nitney line in years in the National Football League. You
find them on Twitter at Ornberger. Buddy, Welcome and good

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to have you in on what was a very active
and accusation flying kind of Tuesday. Oh yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah,
it really has turned into the The NFL has now
mirrored the NBA off season perfectly. Like we used to
really just get piled with news in the NBA offseason

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and think to ourselves like, hey, you know, when are
these other sports gonna catch up? And realize that if
you create a true soap opera with free agency, with
trades and you can you can sort of dominate the
calendar outside of your your your league's season times. Um, yeah,

(01:49):
I mean like that wouldn't that be great? Well, the
NFL must have heard that, because they have completely turned
on their heel, and you have quarterbacks potentially shifting teams,
you have major contracts that got struck around franchise tag date.
Of course, franchise tags have been handed down. It was
a busy, nondescript Tuesday in the middle of March, and

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I loved every second of it. Oh it's a beautiful thing.
You were up right and early doing your San Diego show,
counting down on the clock as to when the the
tags needed to be administered. What kind of activity would
we see? Well, we got plenty, a lot of dollars
floating about, and obviously the big topic of debate the

(02:36):
soup djour as it were, it's our guy, Lamar Jackson
and the next iteration of the process with him as
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(02:58):
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non exclusive franchise tag. That is the We have fought
and we've battled on the white boards in the conference rooms,
on conference calls, on zoom. Maybe at the local coffee shop.

(03:19):
Maybe we went and got some crab cakes that pick
your favorite place. I'd never want to give one out
because my friends in Baltimore curse at me. No, you
can't go to that place. That place sucks. But however
it was they finally got the the eleventh hour and said,
you know what, we're not going to get here and
Bishat He made that pretty clear early after the Deshaun
Watson deal Rich where it was, Wow, that's a lot

(03:43):
of guaranteed money. There's no chance. That's just a bad
contract for the NFL. And obviously he was waving at
his guy that they were already talking to because he
was the next man up. And so now we get
the non exclusive tag. And I brought it up, Yester,
I've been kind of throwing it out there for a
couple of weeks. Well why wun't you If you really

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get your hands tied you and you're you're fighting over
what your quote true market value is, here's your chance
to find out. And if someone wants to go and
play ball and make a hefty offer to Lamar Jackson,
you have the option to go back into your books,
look under all the couch cushions and decide, all right,
we can make this work. If not, you get a

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couple of draft picks. I was trying to sell Smith
on this after he lost out, you know, on Derek Carr,
when Derek Carr went to the Saints, and he just
started an eyeball in me and immediately started tweeting out
pictures of either Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson in succession,
going I'm getting either one of these guys. This is great,
but where it starts, the jumping off point is immediately

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as a couple of teams bow out and look, they're
not releasing official statements. It's through this reporter, through that reporter.
Our guy j Glazer was in the middle of the
one with the Atlanta Falcons. But it's like, yeah, they're
not going to pursue it. The Dolphins aren't going to
pursue it. These gotta well, you know what, you always
have the opportunity to go back to the drawing board

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if you don't like what's in the room. Calmer heads,
maybe someone comes up with the brilliant point of clarity
that breaks through the noise to say, all right, maybe
this does work and you're back in. So any of
those tweets going around today, except for the one Glazer
put out about Atlanta, I'll take with a grain of salt.
And it's not to disrespect the reporter, but we know

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how this game is played, and we know how the
sands shift under your feet very quickly. When you've got
a guy like Lamar Jackson that comes to market. But
immediately the cries and the megaphones, it was collusion collusion Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah,
here's the reality of this situation with Lamar Jackson. I

(05:53):
really don't know how he's gonna navigate all of this
without an agent. I mean, the complexities of his situation
as a starting quarterback in the NFL, just talking about
like the on the field stuff outside of you know,
having to handle relationships in the building with teammates, executives
and coaches and the media, which we know that when

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you're a quarterback, you become the face of a franchise.
I mean on top of all that, the contracts they
can get really really creative when you're a quarterback. Incentive
laid in all those sort of things. And we look at,
for example, Daniel Jones and they one hundred sixty million
dollar contract he just signed with the New York Giants
over the next four years that has an incentive base

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of thirty five million in additional guarantees that he can
earn if he reaches certain thresholds. It's that sort of
level of creativity that outside the box thinking that maybe
a union rep lawyer will not bring to the table,
or even if you hire outside counsel who's not used
to negotiating and you're going to pay him on a

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per contract basis, may not necessarily understand the complexities. I
just think that it's time. I'm hearing all of this,
and I'm well aware that Lamar Jackson could end up
being traded somewhere else, and you know, maybe then he
can start working on his contract. But I keep coming
back to the fact that he doesn't have an agent,

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and I get this almost like unsettled queasiness about the
whole situation. I think I think he should desperately be
searching for a quality agent at this point, somebody who's
handled quarterback contracts and trades and the alike in the past,
and sort of bite the bullet here because I think
that that would be the best medicine right now. There's

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a lot to unpack. He brought up, Daniel Jones. That's
another contract will get into and a larger conversation because
we get a lot of scanning by people. And I
love Lamar Jackson. You and I have talked about Lamar
Jackson and what he is as a player and the
special things he and the special sauce he's got right

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when it comes to play in this game, and a
lot made of the Rashad Bateman and DaCosta going back
and forth about the wide receiver position. Something I said
DaCosta in the front office. They're based on the history
of the Ravens. You don't get to pick it anymore.
I've created a whole new world here where you can

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still pick the rest of your squad rich, but you
don't get to pick that position. Right. I called for
the Chargers like, look, I don't I don't know how
much is Staley. I don't how much just coaching. But
if I can't get the guys on the field, something's
got to change. Well, they change their trainer. You can
blame me. The Ravens also blame their trainer. They got
rid of their trainers. So there's two. I said, they

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can't pick their wide receivers. Well, now they're fighting with
their wide receivers. And in Indianapolis, Look, Ballard, you may
love him, you may like the rest of the roster
he puts together. Guy can't pick a quarterback to save
his soul. No disrespect to our guy, Philip Rivers attempting
to come back. Oh and the reality is like that worked,
you know as a stop gap, that was that was fine.

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You know that where that worked and and I mean,
for all intents and purposes, I think had Matt Ryan
not fallen off the proverbial cliff, and then if the
owner didn't get so involved, maybe maybe that all shakes
out a little bit differently. He was playing somewhat banged
up too, but yeah, I mean he looked like he
was at the end of the end of his rope.
But we know the story with the Colts, Like you know,

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that was a team that was supposed to be built
around Andrew Luck and they kind of got the carpet
pulled out from under them. But your point is heard.
Like you look around the NFL and you see a
lot of mistakes that teams are making, and the ones
that are correctable and then are corrected, those are the
teams that usually have the most success. I mean, for years,
the Seattle Seahawks, the Patriots, the Kansas City Chiefs. Now

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you know they've ascended to greatness. You know these the
San Francisco forty nine ers, I'll lump them in there,
Even the Los Angeles Rams, I'll lump them in there.
When they have a problem, they get rid of it.
When they have a strength, they lean into it. The
Baltimore Ravens need to get in that camp. They absolutely do. Yeah,
I think the larger point we'll get into it over

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the course of the night. We got a special guest
coming up to talk about something near and dear to
our hearts. You as certainly college athlete into the pros,
and Jr. Was a star during his time at San
Diego State. Do some work. You guys know each other
down there. Something he's working on when it comes to
this nil thing, and I think on a day of

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a franchise tag extravaganza, it's a perfect guy to talk
to of that bridge and all the knowledge, especially when
we talk about the Lamar Jackson situation. But it's it's
just funny the comparison this guy got that, this guy
can't get this, the outrage of he's a former MVP,
and they each team's going to treat their guy differently, Right,

(10:54):
those conversations are going to be much different. The expectations,
the pushing forward. We talked about Baltimore. They've spent a
lot of money, They've spent a lot of draft capital
at the wide receiver position. They've done it terribly. The
Giants this year you had Richie James and Saquon Barkley
were the leading receivers. Yeah, ponder that a moment, fifty

(11:14):
seven catches each. Kenny Galladay couldn't get out on the
field and now Super Bowl champion Kadarius Tony was thrown
out of town. How much was on him and what
the program was asking of him versus the coaching staff
being able to work him up. You know, it's like
getting to the center of the tutsie rollpop. The world
may never know, but there's different set of circumstances. So

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while it's apples to apples by the position they play,
how they're viewed in each respective building is going to
be different. Hence the desperation of the Haslems in Cleveland
and what they did to bring to Shaun Watson in wishing, Wanting,
hoping that everything would get him back on the field
as fast as possible and that he would return to

(11:55):
the guy that we saw in the plane at Houston
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out on the court here Rich. They had an explosion

(12:15):
from the big men for Memphis. But you know what,
some points off the bench from Rui Hachimura. For those
that missed it, Anthony Davis took what looked like a
nice jab, a little bit of a right, a right jab,
as if some of my man had gone to see
Creed three. Yeah, the other days David Roddy with the

(12:36):
quick shot to the heat and will we'll see what
the league if they have anything they want to go with.
It was called to common fall. But Davis now back
in the game and we're getting ready to go to
halftime with a pretty good battle on our hands. Yeah.
You know, I like basketball in the NBA as we're
closing out the regular season into the opening round of

(12:57):
the postseason, because this is when guys actually start playing
through some stuff. You know, you got Anthony Davis coming
back to the court. I kind of joked and I
was halfway serious when I said, oh no, you were serious,
And it's okay. Everybody agrees in football legitimately, if you
break your nose, you're you're on the grass. I mean,

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if you were talking about long sustained drive within the drive,
you know, if you break a nose in basketball, I mean,
see you later. You're gonna be off the court for
two weeks probably, and then when you come back, you're
gonna be wearing one of those goofy face masks for months.
And that's just Look, it's just the culture. It's the
nature of the game. It's the nature of basketball players.
I still think they're incredible athletes. There are adonises amongst us,

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but the reality is the culture is not one that
can be really described as tough anymore. And that's okay.
You know, sports, you don't always have to be like
the toughest, the toughest athlete to be the greatest athlete.
I mean, I mean, it's Lebron James tough. Yeah, there's
no question. Is Anthony david is tough? Yeah, I mean

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he's shown some toughness. I mean, but when you compare
it to other sports, does it hold up? Not really.
But when they get toward the postseason, when teams are
fighting the rasses off for seating at the end of
the regular season, man, that's when the NBA shines. I
wish there was a way to replicate that urgency all
season long because I love it. Yeah, that is the

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hard part to it right and the think of the
children argument. As you know, Rich, We've had this conversation.
It fails with me. I'm worried about the guys that
are buying the season ticket packages. Sorry to those that
only go one game. It doesn't mean I dismiss them.
Just if I'm running an organization, they're a little lower
on the consideration list based on what they do for

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my business in terms of pumping in the cash. But
for the players, yeah, you're in that hard spot where
precedent has long been set that sixty to sixty five
games is okay, That means an awful lot of off
nights and a lot of time. Is where games start
to resemble that of the All Star Game, i e.
No defense until the final minutes. That was the joke

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on the league for years and it's only gotten worse
with that reputation over time, as load management has become
worse than almost any other four letter word. We could
say here on Fox Sports Radio. You want to test that? Yeah, yeah,
you think of a four letter where that could get
us kicked off. The are real. There's no question about

(15:28):
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(15:50):
the San Diego Padres when John Morossi joins us here
in about fifteen minutes, Rich. But when we look at
the NFL today, we talk to Lamar Jackson a little
bit last hour, we'd be remissed if we didn't go
down the rabbit hole of everybody wringing their hands and saying,
how does he deserve this money? As related to one

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Daniel Jones old rule of thumb, folks, what the market
may bear, and it's not based on what you have done.
It's based on a projection combined with the market and
the economic forces they're in with what they perceive you
can do for the organization, and looking around and what

(16:34):
your intrinsic value is to that specific organization. IE. Other
teams may not value and love you as much as
the people that you're currently playing for. In this case,
Brian dabled the front office and they've got a lot
of work to do. There's no question about it. You
tag say Quon Barkley will see how his world ends up.

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I've seen him photoshop to the Bears quite frequently. But
with Daniel je people just keep doing the base box
scores stat read on him rich and look, you don't
have to agree that it's that he's worth. You know,
this amount of money. One, it's not your money too.
It's also just what the market was able to get

(17:19):
for him at this point in the cycle as we
get things going. So from Ian Rappaport who put it
out earlier breaking this down and you alluded to it
a little bit earlier when you're talking about four years
one sixty thirty five million more and incentives eighty two
million over the first two years and ninety four million

(17:39):
dollars virtually guaranteed as signing with a first year cap number.
And this is key. We're always playing around and playing
fuzzy math here of nineteen million dollars. Yeah, yeah, I listen.
I don't think anybody needs to worry about how much
Daniel Jones is getting paid, or any quarterback is getting paid,

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especially when they make the argument, oh, he's not worth that.
I mean, okay, yeah, I mean if you put that
house in a different neighborhood, maybe you're right, you know,
But the problem is, you're not shopping for a house
in just any neighborhood. You're shopping for a house in
the most exclusive and expensive neighborhood in the entire world.

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When you are shopping for a starting quarterback, a guy
who either dabbles in or is absolutely a top fifteen
quarterback in the NFL, you're talking about paying Beverly Hills
housing prices. Now, you could say, hey, look, it's a shack.
Why are you charging me ten million dollars for this?
You know, this decrepid, you know, piece of garbage property

(18:44):
sitting on a postage stamp of of acreage here in
Beverly Hills. Well, you've already answered your own question, because
you're buying that postage stamp in Beverly Hills when you're
shopping in the quarterback neighborhood. You cannot make this argument, Oh,
Daniel Jones isn't worth it, really, because when you look

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around the neighborhood, everybody's getting paid out the nose. Everybody's
getting huge contracts. Everybody's getting paid north of thirty million
dollars a year, whether or not you earned it, or
you deserve it or not. If you are a competent,
if you're a franchise, if you are starting quarterback, you're
gonna make north of twenty five million annually. And if

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you're pretty darn good, especially winning a game on the
road in the playoffs, you're gonna get north of forty probably.
So that's the reality of the neighborhood you're shopping in.
I mean, Brian Dabele, the Jets front office, I'm sure
they held their nose as they signed their end of
the contract too, realizing how much they were parting with.

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But as a salary cap keets rising year after year,
and it'll continue to with all these new broadcasting right steals, Mike,
this contracts gonna age extremely well. Yeah, that's right. Now,
that's exactly the point, right, because you saw the Kyler
Murray comparisons, the Patrick Mahomes comparisons, that people were wringing
their hands when those were signed. In the end, with

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the rights deals and these, you watch the salary cap,
what did it go up eighteen million dollars this year? Yeah,
that's that's the cost of a backup quarterback plus a
couple of buckets of balls. I mean, that's significant growth
and it's only going to go up again as more
and more players come in on the media rights. And
you have all these different announcements of where things going,

(20:34):
still waiting for the official announcement of what Sunday Ticket
does and the infusion of cash that comes there. In
it's all about trying to figure out where you're headed
in this process. And again you've got the institutional knowledge
of having worked with Daniel Jones saying all right, we're
getting ready to push something forward, which means they're going

(20:56):
to be very active in the wide receiver market, in
the tight end market, to pair up with Bellinger, who
was pretty good when he was healthy figuring out whether
sa Quon Barkley sticks around and how you navigate that.
But for Daniel Jones, you're building a formula that's not
that unlike Baltimore. So it's only appropriate that we're tying

(21:17):
these two quarterbacks together today when you're going to the
old die hard kind of attitude of the NFL of
run the ball and play defense, and your quarterback just
has to limit mistakes right, Jones completed sixty seven percent
of his passes to a bunch of guys nobody could
pick out. Yeah, yeah, I mean he was efficient at times.

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He was as composed as any quarterback in the NFL.
This is gonna sound ridiculous, and I understand it's gonna
sound ridiculous, but under extreme duress in the regular season,
I believe it was the first time they faced the Vikings,
the Giants quarterback Daniel Jones looked looked like he was

(22:04):
a cool Tom Brady under siege by the defense, like
he just was unflappable. Maybe even Tom Brady's a bad
example these days because he'll he'll lay down, he'll avoid
the hit, he'll throw the ball at the feet of
the defense to avoid the hit. These days, because he's
getting older and retired, now we think um more like
Joe Burrow. Like Joe Burrow will take the shot, he'll

(22:27):
take the hit, he will remain completely, completely course correct
through an entirety of a game. And Daniel Jones showed
some of that stuff. I look, I don't know what
Brian Dable does to quarterbacks. I've never been in the
room with him, but I've I've had guys who have
been around him talk to me and tell talk to

(22:48):
me and tell me about him, and he just has
a way of explaining things and a simplicity to his
advice and his knowledge that helps calm down quarterback and
gets them to maximize their talents. And so if Brian
Dable has the personal belief that he's in one year

(23:08):
taking Daniel Jones from being kind of an also ran
to a playoff quarterback who's gotten a road win under
his belt now, then he can go about the business
of helping his team build around said quarterback, continuing to
help him this offseason. And who knows, maybe the Giants
could be one of these sleeper teams out of the

(23:29):
NFC that we don't really see coming because we're not
really talking about him. Even though they were a pretty
good team in the postseason. I could see them making
some noise again this upcoming season because this isn't a
terrible decision, and this really does sort of cement in
place a philosophy in that locker room and in that franchise.
It's like, hey, we got our guy, now, let's go

(23:51):
win around him. Right and if it fails, well, they've
tied themselves to it now, haven't they? So I always
say when we get into the draft process, which we'll
talk about a little bit of the combine as the
show goes on, Rich, but you make your bed and
eventually the Boo Birds and everybody. If it goes south
and goes askew, guess what turn the page. And that's

(24:11):
why you signed deals where you're only into the guy
for nineteen million this year on the cap hit so
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He just wasn't on video. No. In the building at
the Crypt Phil Jackson, Wow, Wow. In person sighting Okay,

(24:39):
you know they were going through some of the luminaries
and you're seeing people being pointed out. If you do
your Twitter scroll and follow some of our our buddies
like Dan Woike from the La Times, like there's Adam
Sandler and obviously obligatory shot of Genie Boss Jimmy Butler
was there on a night off to go pay tribute
to his former Bulls teammates, show him some love and

(25:00):
then he dapped him up and left, or so it seemed.
And then they had the shot of Phil Jackson where
he was sitting high up like he was staying in
the old WCW promos, like he was gonna come scaling
down to create chaos, maybe take over the coaching. Can
you imagine if that is what occurred, Like if all

(25:21):
of a sudden, like almost like awe entrance, he just
came like poaracording down from the rafters, unbuckled from his
harness and then just got into a full on fist
fight with Darvin Ham to start the second half and
immediately went to the famous whistle, yelling hey at the
top of his lungs, such great stuff. Mike carbon Rich

(25:43):
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(26:06):
Memphis lead about eight minutes remaining in the fourth quarter,
coming up at about fifteen to twenty minutes from now,
we'll go to Live to the crypt our guy Mark Medina,
senior writer and insider over at NBA dot com, to
talk about the environment, talk about all that he's hearing,
including appropriately given the news cycle, the grizz are in town,

(26:26):
so what he's hearing, who he's talking to about the
latest of the team, the NBA, and the job Morant
investigation that's coming up fifteen minutes from now. But we
turn our attention back to the NFL. And even though
we didn't do a lot of Mets talk with John
Paul Morosi, we are obligated contractually to talk about Aaron
Rodgers a little bit, even if it involves potentially him

(26:50):
signing with the Jets. So they had everybody fly on
a jet to California. And this is where it gets
fun because people start poke can poking the proverbial bear
here Rich to think about it. He'll go work for
people associated with Johnson and Johnson m and Aaron Rodgers
doesn't like big Pharma, so kind of a curiosity there,

(27:13):
of course, So you have a you know that to
put on the back burner. But I'd love to hear
the conversation on the plane from all the executives going,
what are we walking into? It's like, you know, what
is an apocalypse now? When you're going to try to
find Marlon Brando's character and you're kind of wandering and
you're in the boat and then you're on the land

(27:33):
and he's like and then you go into the little
hunt and there he is. Is that the kind of
thing that we're gonna find with Aaron Rodgers when they
finally get to a face to face. Yeah, Like, he's
he's he's you know, he's in a wooded area. His
his facial hair is overgrown. He's wearing a headband that
maybe maybe made out of the enemy. For all we know,
I mean, this this is somebody who's who's put himself

(27:56):
through the wars. Here here's the reality of Aaron Rodgers
and my thought process on on what he does next.
He's he's gonna go to the team that pays him
the most money. You know, I go full mercenary style
at this point. But yeah, I mean, I mean, let's
face it. The reason why I think that the situation

(28:20):
fell apart last year and he ended up back with
the Green Bay Packers was because the Green Bay Packers
came up with the most money. I mean, what has
Aaron Rodgers proven to us other than you know, look,
he's great, There's no question about it. And I still
think he could. He has great seasons, and I do
mean that pluralized left in him. However, I don't think that.

(28:44):
I don't think that it's as difficult as we're making
it out. I think that he's absolutely trying to exert
his will over personnel decision making and has made it
clear that he wants them say and I think that
the Green Bay Packers have acquiesced to some or most
of those demands. I think that he definitely wants to
say and how the offense is ran and you know,

(29:07):
specifically when you're in those tight situations at the end
of games or has that could really determine outcomes. Um.
But outside that, the the other thing that really feels
like he wants is ultimately what people chase when they're
getting toward their retirement. You know what is common about retirement,

(29:29):
A lot of people start talking about money. They start
talking about Okay, um, if I just hang in there
for two more years, I can I can earn eighty
percent of my salary on my pension. I just gotta
make it to sixty four. I just gotta make it
to sixty six, whatever number, whatever carrot you're dangling over
your head, right, That's that's what the common man or

(29:52):
woman says when they're getting toward the end of their career.
How about for An Rodgers, wouldn't it be great if
he could have his cake and eat it too, if
he could be on a team that has a real
shot at contending, whether it be in the AFC or
the NFC, but then also get paid a final paycheck
that is larger than what he's getting paid currently. I

(30:12):
think that's probably a big part of the consideration here. Yeah.
I think as you go through like the teams that
commented or had people commenting for them, reporters insiders on
social media that are out on Lamar Jackson, it becomes
the all right, do you have another iron in the
fire rights? As related to with Rogers, the ask in

(30:36):
terms of a trade, whatever the money is, the picks
and the compensation isn't going to be as drastic as Lamar, Right,
you gotta give up two number ones. Whereas with Aaron Rodgers,
I don't think you're doing that, especially if you're picking
up the lion's share of that sixty million, right, because
he played bullyball with them and they were desperate. He

(30:57):
won back to back mbps. Jorge and Love. As much
as you may like him, you like him in a bubble, right,
you haven't really seen him with a large sample size.
So extrapolating that on field play, it's gotta like the
San Francisco trying to figure out what the hell they're
doing with Trey Lance and these guys. Right, Yeah, you
may like it in theory, but that's why you still
hear whispers of Garoppolo sticking around, or Brady coming up there,

(31:22):
or in certain mystery quarterback see that comes in right,
Las Vegas is in no man's land. They haven't really
generated a lot of confidence with their public comments, not
only about the quarterback position, but just in terms of
the direction of the franchise, which I know isn't really
surprised anybody. But here was a pretty much a slam dunk.

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As you had decided that Derek Carr was no longer
your guy, there's got to be a plan B. So
either give me a thing to prop up. Jared Stidham
who's on the roster, or tell me that you're moving
into another direction to say, hey, you know, we don't know.
Yeah right, you got to be able to sell me somewhere.
We're going aggressively into the markets place. Look, I gotta

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pause here, just really quick. I wanted to give you
love for getting the word aperture into the last hour,
because you know me, I love being a word smith.
And that's what we call a five dollar word here.
So that goes into your jar for whatever purpose, maybe
a larger sandwich the next time you get out and
about to one of the many purveyors of fine delicacies

(32:30):
in the San Diego area. But and opening a whole
a gap. Good job by you, thank you, thank you
so much. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And uh yeah,
I'll work in a couple more sat words before that
was good. No, that's good. We gotta we gotta look
to be the areadite and well read individuals that we
are spoiler. Yeah, no, no question about it, or at

(32:52):
least pretend to be for four hours every day. Even
though I can't do my kids high school math because
they changed, well, I can do it. I can get
you to the right answer it's like, yeah, teacher's not
accepting the work that you did. Here Dad, it's like
it's a new math. I'm like, well then then beat it.
The old math works just the same same answer here, Pal,
you don't call me a liar and tell me I

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don't know what I'm doing. But it's all fuzzy math
in terms of trying to figure out how they navigate this,
because Rogers holds the cards right, how obstinate and a
pay and he is And if I guess you look
at green Bay, they did clear up a lot of
cap space as though, almost as if they were readying
for the inevitable disaster that this becomes. Well, green Bay
is being so unbelievably soft with this purse sources. They're

(33:37):
basically okay, so this is the most recent report, and
update me if you saw something more recent. But this
is the most recent report I saw. Green Bay really
means it this time. Yes, they don't want Aaron to
want to come back? Are you kidding me? Like? Could
you be any more soft than that? We don't want

(34:00):
Aaron to want to come back. So essentially what you're
saying is Aaron's gonna do whatever he wants to do,
and we're going to listen, but we really would rather
him not like come on the pack tax on his stool,
barbed wire over his locker. It's just so dumb. I mean, honestly,

(34:21):
if that's what you're gonna say, you know you should
say nothing at all, nothing at all, because whoever they
told that too, whether it was Guten Koons store, you know,
the president of the team, or if it was you know,
the head coach, Matt Lafleur, whoever it was, like, just
keep all of that nonsense to yourself. It does nothing

(34:41):
for you but make you look like a bunch of fools,
it really does. I mean, we mean it, We mean
it this time. We don't want Aaron. If he doesn't
want us, you sound like that boyfriend in high school
who's just who's just groveling at the feet of his
ex girlfriend. You know this is I mean, if she

(35:03):
cheats on me like two more times, that's it. We're
maybe done. It's just so ridiculous, it's so laughable. And
then Aaron Rodgers, like you said, he really does hold
all the cards. He's the magic man. He's the reason
why the Green Bay Packers have been relevant for this
decade and a half and they could potentially be spiraling

(35:25):
down the drain of irrelevancy that many teams have spiraled
once their franchise quarterback moves on from them, whether it's
in retirement, in trade, or free agency or otherwise. It's
just the way this league works sometimes. Now, like you said,
maybe it'll work out with Jordan's Love, and maybe they've
found the next Brett Farve or Aaron Rodgers in Jordan Love.

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And you know, the Green Bay legacy of you know,
complicated quarterbacks who are super talented begins because he's had
to be waiting behind a super talented complicated quarterbacks, so
maybe that complicates him. I don't know, I don't know
the makeup, I don't know. The character will find out
about Jordan Love, maybe sooner than later. But for now,

(36:09):
Green Bay should just, I'm talking about everybody inside that
building outside the players should just keep their mouths shut.
Let Aaron Rodgers work through this process. If they really
want him back or don't want them back, keep it
to yourself because it will have zero impact on this
decision making process. Anyways, it really is and truly is
all up to Aaron and unfortunately, they're at the whim

(36:33):
of this guy who enjoys themselves some hallucinogen Jenett and
darkness retreats and so in for a penny, In for
a pound, you know, and we'll see what the results
will be. Yeah. Proper use of the term character, both
describing what you know of Rogers and what maybe however,
it's however you want to use the word character. There