March 8, 2023 • 37 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger filling in for Jason Smith discuss Arron Rodgers latest updates on the Jets taking a plane out to meet him in person, Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson, and Pau Gasol celebration night at the Laker Crypto Center!
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Sports Radio. Yeah, Mannie, it's a beautiful Tuesday night here
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That's our guy, Rich Ornberger joining us today. Please to
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Twitter at Ornberger. Buddy, Welcome and good to have you
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in on what was a very active and accusation flying
kind of Tuesday. Oh yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah, it
really has turned uh into the The NFL has now
mirrored the NBA off season perfectly. Like we used to
really just get piled with news in the NBA off
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season and think to ourselves like, hey, you know, when
are these other sports gonna catch up? And realize that
if you create a true soap opera with free agency,
with trades and you can you can sort of dominate
the calendar outside of your your your league's season times.
Um yeah, I mean like that wouldn't that be great? Well,
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the NFL must have heard that, because they have completely
turned on their heel and you have quarterbacks potentially shifting teams,
you have major contracts that got struck around franchise tag date.
Of course, franchise tags have been handed down. It was
a busy, nondescript Tuesday in the middle of March, and
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I loved every second of it. Oh, it's a beautiful thing.
You were up right and early doing your San Diego show,
counting down on the clock as to when the the
tags needed to be administered. What kind of activity would
we see? Well, we got plenty a lot of dollars
floating about and obviously the big topic of debate, the
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soup du jour, as it were, it's our guy, Lamar
Jackson and the next iteration of the process with him,
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com the way tire buying should be so for those
unaware or perhaps trying to figure out terminologies when you
have the non exclusive franchise tag, that is the we
have fought and we've battled on the white boards in
the conference rooms, on conference calls, on zoom. Maybe at
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the local coffee shop. Maybe we went and got some
crab cakes that pick your favorite place. I'd never want
to give one out because my friends in Baltimore curse
at me. No, you can't go to that place. That
place sucks. But however it was they finally got to
the eleventh hour and said, you know what, we're not
going to get here and bishat He made that pretty
clear early after the Deshaun Watson deal Rich where it was, Wow,
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that's a lot of guaranteed money. There's no chance. That's
just a bad contract for the NFL. And obviously he
was waving at his guy that they were already talking
to because he was the next man up. And so
now we get the non exclusive tag. And I brought
it up. Yes, I've been kind of throwing it out
there for a couple of weeks. Well why wouldn't you
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If you really get your hands tied you and you're
you're fighting over what your quote true market value is,
here's your chance to find out. And if someone wants
to go and play ball and make a hefty offer
to Lamar Jackson, you have the option to go back
into your books, look under all the couch cushions and decide,
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all right, we can make this work. If not, you
get a couple of draft picks. I was trying to
sell Smith on this after he lost out, you know,
on Derek Carr, when Derek Carr went to the Saints,
and he just started an eyeball in me and immediately
started tweeting out pictures of either Aaron Rodgers or Lamar
Jackson in succession, going I'm getting either one of these guys.
This is great, but where it starts, the jumping off
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point is immediately as a couple of teams bow out
and look, if they're not releasing official statements, it's through
this reporter, through that reporter. Our guy j Glazer was
in the middle of the one with Atlanta Falcons, but
it's like, yeah, they're not going to pursue it. The
Dolphins aren't going to pursue it. These gotta well, you
know what, you always have the opportunity to go back
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to the drawing board if you don't like what's in
the room. Calmer heads, maybe someone comes up with the
brilliant point of clarity that breaks through the noise to say,
all right, maybe this does work and you're back in.
So any of those tweets going around today, except for
the one Glazer put out about Atlanta, I'll take with
a grain assault and it's not to disrespect the reporter,
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but we know how this game is played, and we
know how the sands shift under your feet very quickly
when you've got a guy like Lamar Jackson that comes
to market, but immediately the cries and the megaphones, it
was collusion. Collusion Tuesday. Yeah, Yeah, here's the reality of
this situation with Lamar Jackson. I really don't know how
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he's gonna navigate all of this without an agent. I mean,
the complexities of the situation as a starting quarterback in
the NFL, just talking about like the on the field
stuff outside of you know, having to handle relationships in
the building with teammates, executives and coaches and the media,
which we know that when you're a quarterback, you become
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the face of a franchise. I mean, on top of
all that, the contracts they can get really really creative
when you're a quarterback. Incentive laid in all those sort
of things. And we look at, for example, Daniel Jones
and they one hundred sixty million dollar contract he just
signed with the New York Giants over the next four
years that has an incentive base of thirty five million
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in additional guarantees that he can earn if he reaches
certain thresholds. It's that sort of level of creativity that
outside the box thinking that maybe a union rep lawyer
will not bring to the table, or even if you
hire outside counsel who's not used to negotiating and you're
going to pay him on a per contract basis, may
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not necessarily understand the complexities. I just think that it's time.
I'm hearing all of this, and I'm well aware that
Lamar Jackson could end up being traded somewhere else, and
you know, maybe then he can start working on his contract.
But I keep coming back to the fact that he
doesn't have an agent, and I get this almost like
unsettled queasiness about the whole situation. I think I think
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he should desperately be searching for a quality agent at
this point, somebody who's handled quarterback contracts and trades and
the alike in the past, and sort of bite the
bullet here because I think that that would be the
best medicine right now. There's a lot to unpack. You
brought up, Daniel Jones. That's another contract we'll get into
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and a larger conversation because we get a lot of
standing by people. And I love Lamar Jackson. You and
I have talked about Lamar Jackson and what he is
as a player and the special things he and this
acial sauce he's got right when it comes to play
in this game, and a lot made of the Rashad
Bateman and DaCosta going back and forth about the wide
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receiver position. Something I said DaCosta in the front office.
They're based on the history of the Ravens. You don't
get to pick it anymore. I've created a whole new
world here where you can still pick the rest of
your squad rich, but you don't get to pick that position. Right.
I called for the Chargers like, look, I don't I
don't know how much is Staley. I don't how much
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as coaching, But if I can't get the guys on
the field, something's got to change. Well, they change their trainer.
You can blame me. The Ravens also blame their trainer.
They got rid of their trainers. So there's two. I said,
they can't pick their wide receivers. Well now they're fighting
with their wide receivers. And in Indianapolis, Look, Ballard, you
may love him, you may like the rest of the
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roster he puts together. Guy can't pick a quarterback to
save his soul, No disrespect to our guy, Philip Rivers
attempting to come back. And the reality is like that worked,
you know as a stop gap, that was that was fine.
You know that where that worked and and I mean,
for all intents and purposes, I think had Matt Ryan
not fallen off the proverbial cliff, and then if the
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owner didn't get so involved, maybe maybe that all shakes
out a little bit differently. He was playing somewhat banged
up too, but yeah, I mean he looked like he
was at the end of the end of his rope.
But we know the story with the Colts, Like you know,
that was a team that was supposed to be built
around Andrew Luck and they kind of got the carpet
pulled out from under them. But your point is heard. Like,
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you look around the NFL and you see a lot
of mistakes that teams are making, and the ones that
are correctable and then are corrected, those are the teams
that usually have the most success. I mean, for years,
the Seattle Seahawks, the Patriots, the Kansas City Chiefs. Now
you know they've ascended to greatness. You know, these the
San Francisco forty nine ers, I'll lump them in there.
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Even the Los Angeles Rams, I'll lump them in there.
When they have a problem, they get rid of it.
When they have a strength, they lean into it. The
Baltimore Ravens need to get in that camp. They absolutely do. Yeah,
I think the larger point. We'll get into it over
the course of the night. We got a special guest
coming up to talk about something near and dear to
our hearts. You a certainly college athlete into the pros,
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and Jr. Was a star during his time at San
Diego State. Do some work. You guys know each other
down there. Something he's working on when it comes to
this nil thing, and I think on a day of
a franchise tag extravaganza, it's it's a perfect guy to
talk to of that bridge and all the knowledge, especially
when we talk about the Lamar Jackson situation. But it's
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it's just funny the comparison this guy got that, this
guy can't get this, the outrage of he's a former MVP,
and they each team's going to treat their guy differently, Right,
those conversations are going to be much different. The expectations,
the pushing forward. We talked about Baltimore. They've spent a
lot of money, They've spent a lot of draft capital
at the wide receiver position. They've done it terribly. The
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Giants this year you had Richie James and sae Quon
Barkley were the leading receivers. Yeah, ponder that a moment,
fifty seven catches each, Kenny Galladay couldn't get out on
the field, and now Super Bowl champion Knarius Tony was
thrown out of town. How much was on him and
what the program was asking of him versus the coaching
staff being able to work him up. You know, it's
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like getting to the center of the tutsie rollpop. The
world may never know, but there's different set of circumstances.
So while it's apples to apples by the position they play,
how they're viewed in each respective building is going to
be different. Hence the desperation of the Haslems in Cleveland
and what they did to bring to Shaun Watson in wishing, wanting,
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hoping that everything would get him back on the field
as fast as possible, and that he would return to
the guy that we saw in the plane at Houston
as fast as possible. So much to do with this
rich as we get going with Lamar, what's the end
game for this? And might he still find himself playing
for the Ravens in the fall? This and so much more.
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Perhaps at a darkness retreat, perhaps with candle's lint, wishing, wanting,
hoping for news on Aaron Rodgers and whether that meeting,
that pow wow that would happen here in California. Maybe
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You know we sometimes sing the share if I could
turn back time kind of thing as we roll through here,
and maybe I'll even wear the fish nets on occasion.
But we do that. Now. We bring out a special
guest form RNFL Wide Receiver San Diego State Hall of
Famer JR. Tolver with us JR. I got to watch
the introductory press conference today, all the fun and excitement
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of the world of Nil brought to us on franchise
Tag day. We couldn't get any better of a confluence
of circumstance. You know what, Maybe we should have done
a Maybe we should have done a press conference in
the darkness. That probably would have been better. You know,
well you add that, maybe I add a little bit
of advice and a sounding board from Lamar Jackson while
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we're at it. No, absolutely, absolutely, and I appreciate you
guys having me on. Man. I'm excited to talk to you. Yeah,
I know you got go ahead, Rich. Yeah, I was
just gonna say, I'm we're excited to chat with you
tonight as well. It's um. You know, it's something that
you and I have had multiple conversations about and text
conversations about over the past couple of years. Your involvement
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in the NIL space. And before we get to a
lot of these NFL storylines, Jr. I just want to
ask you in general your thoughts on NIL, because I
think there's a lot of coaches, obviously, a lot of
you know, the old guard in college football who really
hate what it's doing to the game. But as a
former player, you know, and as somebody who's never coached admittedly,
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so I don't know the side of it with all
the booster interaction and maybe some of the darkness that
that revolves around that space. I look at it simply
from a very brass tacks point of view. You know,
you put in labor, you should be able to earn.
And these these players, most of them are eighteen years
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or older, you know, most of them, you know, in
many cases, have had a job in high school at
one point or another, and they turned in hard work
for money, you know, paychecks in the past, and then
all of a sudden they get to this college that's
benefiting multiple tens or hundreds of millions of dollars off
of their their labor, and they for years didn't receive
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a single dime. So I mean, with that, I'm in
favor of NIL. How do you feel about this whole
experience so far, and how does it land with you
and resonate with you so far? So Rich, I think
everything that you just said is one thousand percent true.
At the end of the day, in this country, if
you add value, you get paid. There's no industry, there's
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no situation in which somebody who is bringing value does
have does not have the opportunity to be to be compensated.
And the value that student athletes bring from their name,
image and likeness to a business or standing behind a
business or promoting a business, the value is you can't
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even you can't even argue it, right, Like if you
have somebody who's a student athlete and they're they're they're
they're a stand up player, they're doing a lot of
the community. As a result, they have a lot of followers,
and if they promote something, you know, to their followers
or to their fan base, that is going to add
value to whatever business they're promoting. So I look at
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this as really just the writing of the ships. Um
imagine Rich, you working for Uber or driving for Uber,
but you couldn't get paid for right. Student athletes now
have this opportunity to use their name, image, and likeness
like everybody else in this country, and to receive compensation
for it, and from a brass tax standpoint, that is
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absolutely fair. Well, it's certainly going back to your time.
One of the things you reference financial finesse being part
of the project launched today Jr. You know, going back
to your stardom and final years in college and thinking, boy,
if I could turn back time and take advantage of
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the opportunities. He had a couple of current athletes on
who are navigating those waters. But with the old guard,
you know, Nick Saban making his comments. Mut coach k
Is talked openly about how that didn't work for him
with Dabo. Sweeney said he was going to leave Lo
and behold, he's still patrolling his sideline and making millions
of dollars every year. Go figure how that works. Hey,
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But all these guys, it's kind of like the Hey,
I'm gonna move to Canada or Mexico based on political elections.
But you know, as you go into the process and
you're helping young athletes go through i mean, navigating those waters,
how does that conversation begin, Especially when you've got maybe
older coaches and staffers that are reticent to adapt. Yeah,
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you know, I think when it comes down to the
student athlete, you know, once they make the decision that
pursuing revenue associated with their name, image, and likeness is
something that they want to do, or even if they
don't pursue it, if opportunities come to them and they
decide that that's something they want to accept and receive,
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that that's actually the easy part. I mean, there are
you know, hundreds of thousands of small businesses in this country,
and if you look at the stats, the stats to
say ninety three percent of small businesses go out of
business within their first five years. And so what I'm
trying to impress upon student athletes again, I'm not really
like too much involved in how you can make money,
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or where you can make money from, or who should
or who shouldn't be paying you be paying you nil.
Long game is more so designed to say, if you
are going to make money from your name, image, and likeness,
what do you do with it after you earn it?
And I think that in this country, again, nine of
small businesses go out of business within the first five years.
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Most set is because most small business owners don't understand
what it means to operate a small business, and so
our goal is to make sure at the very least
these five hundred thousand newly appointed by the NCAA small
business owners know that if you're going to pursue and
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receive name, image and likeness revenue, here's how you approach
it in the most sustainable way. Gerald Tolver joining US
former wide receiver with the San Diego State Aztecs, all
so of the NFL now with nil long game. You
just heard him talking about some of that doing great
work for a lot of athletes in terms of financial advisory. Well,
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one athlete we've been talking about already today is Lamar Jackson.
And my commentary about Lamar pretty much since this whole
debacle started between he and the Ravens Brasses, man, I
wish he was getting better advice. I wish he had
a team around him. You know, I guess I'll just
I'll put in the ball in your court this way, Jr.
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And I'll say, like, if you know, since you consult
and you meet with athletes, and you talk to people
and you try to help guide, do you think Lamar
could use somebody in his camp, an agent, career manager,
somebody to help him make some of these decisions how
to handle some of these these things that he's experiencing
for the first time. But many of these people are
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well versed and have experienced many times over with other clients. Yeah,
you know, what I think Lamar is trying to do
is actually really admirable. You know, I look at Lamar
and I say, how is Lamar any difference than a
Steve Jobs? Right, Steve Jobs kind of came in to
the marketplace and really used his vision to reset the market.
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And obviously, if you're going to do that, you have
to have a great product, a great service, or be
a great talent. And Lamar Jackson is a generational talent.
So I honestly don't believe that there's anything wrong with
what he's doing. I feel like he is a generational talent.
He is attempting to reset the market based off the
value that he adds to the National Football League, and
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again as a as a as a player, first entrepreneur,
first advocate, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Now,
to your point, there has to be a lot of strategy.
There needs to be an understanding of what the market
will actually give, and hopefully Lamar is having those conversations
with the with the advisors around him to that end,
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Jay Are and Richard you may know this a little
bit as well as we converse about this part of
the equation. How much does the union, how much can
they do or do they always just push it back
to register and agents because it seems like a place
where the league, especially if Demorris Smith has eyes of
being the secretary of labor, that maybe they can help
in this process. Yeah. I mean, again, it's hard to
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say without being having the eyes and ears on the
on the inside, on the inside of his camp. But sure,
I just you know, I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you.
I really respect the approach that he's taken in this
game of football. You know, NFL stands for not for long, right,
and so if you're not trying to maximize the opportunity
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in the lifetime of the opportunity as a player, you're
probably not playing aggressive enough. So so so I'm probably
maybe one of the few, but I really respected Meyer
what Lamar is trying to do, and I think what
he's going to do is going to benefit him, but
it's also going to benefit the next Lamar Jackson. That
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comes after him. So I'm really all for it, you know, JR.
To keep build on that. You know from the Ravens
are getting killed in this process as well from a
player perspective, And for what you just said about Lamar,
didn't they just do him the biggest favor because he
can actually go into the marketplace as opposed to just
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getting the traditional tags slapped on him and either having
to play or having do you look like the bad
guy by holding out? Yeah? I mean again, I think
the nfl PA in the NFL has set up a
really great system where if a player feels like their
value is more than a team is willing to pay them,
then big at options. And I think the Ravens did
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was what was best for them. And the reality is
they decided to go ahead and put as much on
the table as they're willing to put up front. Right,
they still have an opportunity to respond to the negotiations.
If another team comes in and says, you know, hey,
we want to pay Lamar X, they have an opportunity
to match it. I think Lamar is in a position
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where at this point he can't lose. He's either going
to make thirty two million dollars this year, or he's
going to get a great offer from another team who
really wants him and really believes in him, and he's
going to get a new chapter well. Financial Finesse, the
country's leading independent provider of financial wellness coaching, today announced
the launch of nl L Long Game, and j R.
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Tolver was at the center of it all. And man,
you're a busy dude. It's amazing that you're putting together
some time to help educate student athletes as they're making
some tough decisions with money that, frankly, many of them
have never experienced in their entire life. We're talking well,
and most adults don't know how to handle rich. Come on,
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I mean, that's beyond a good point. That's a great point.
I remember when I got my first check in the NFL.
I didn't even know I could bring it to a bank.
I was like, what, like if they're a special place?
Were you what were you doing? Happy Gilmour? Oh no, dude,
you spend the trunk, not with the checks. I honestly,
I was like, do I mail this to somebody else now?
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And they do it for me? I mean I would
so listen. The point is Jay are you doing God's work?
We appreciate you to spending a little time with us,
knuckleheads Tight and thanks for jumping on the show, bubb
no man, thanks for having on. I think you guys
introduced it the right way. If I would have known
then what I know now, what could I actually have
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done and actually have been so? So yeah, this is
really just an opportunity for us to impart the knowledge
upon those that are coming behind us so they have
the best situation for themselves going forward. Jared, let me
ask you one last one before we let you go
the m the first question that you would have folks
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to ask as they engage in this process, So say
that one more time. So if it's a student athlete
and their parents, you know, what's the first questions, Like,
what's the starting point of all right? How do I
find the person that's most going to be in line
to get me in the right direction? You know, I
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would say, do you know the difference between earning money
as a business and earning money as a person. That's
the one question that allows student athletes and their parents
and their advisors to really understand what type of advice
they need to be successful. So Businesses earn money completely
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different than people. Businesses spend money completely different than people.
Businesses are hacks completely different than people. And so I
think the biggest thing is do you know the difference
between how businesses aren't money and how people aren't money?
If that answer is yes, it provides a roadmap to
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put a system in place. And if that answer is no,
it provides a roadmap to put a sycom in place.
Financial finesse is where you find a financial finesse dot com. Jr.
You've hammered that repeatedly, the individual businesses as opposed to
being people and going through it and making sure you
know that five hundred and twenty thousand strong new ones, Jr.
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We appreciate you. I look forward to continuing the conversation
as this landscape continues to evolve. Thanks for your time,
Thanks for having the guys. Take care of yourself. That's JR.
Toulver at JR. Tulver sixteen is where you find him
on Twitter again. Financial finesse dot com. There you go,
Rich I That's how I had to phrase it because
in the presentation he was part of this morning, it
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became a oh man, what I could have done that
final year at San diegos Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean,
and that's what a lot of these guys are experiencing,
and girls, frankly to athletes though, are experiencing when they
walk through the doors in college. I mean, the options
are limitless, you know, if you're able to balance your
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school work, you know, whatever commitments you have to the
team you play for, while also hunting down some great
opportunities to make some scratch. And it can be big
money or small money. I mean, it can be life
changing or it could just be you know, weekend party money.
Whatever it is that you can get your hands on.
You can earn yourself a decent living alongside playing the
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sport that you loved all through your childhood, just like
you should have been able to the whole time. I mean,
it's aboutter percent, no question about it. Just a very
interesting thing. And you know, I took some time out
this morning and I thought it was important, you know,
for those that may have a son or daughter pondering
these kind of things, or maybe getting a little more
(29:54):
understanding of the kind of the guidance and systems that
are starting to get in place that while it may
still be the wild West, to some degree, there's people
trying to bring some order to things right, and that's
the big, the big part of all of this. That's
good stuff. And Jr. Is one of those steady Eddy
type type dudes. I mean, I've spent a lot of
time with him down here in San Diego over the
(30:16):
course of our post playing careers, and he's just got
a good mind for business. He understands finances and like
many of us, you know, when you first get to
the NFL, you don't know what you're doing because nobody's
ever taught you, and you're learning hard lessons and some
of them are relatively easy lessons that don't need to
(30:36):
be learned the hard way. You just needed a coach
the same way I needed a coach to teach me
how to down block a nose tackle from the guard
position or pull out and you know, cut block of
safety on a sweet play. Like you kind of need
a coach to hold your hand a little bit and
say like, hey, okay, we're going to invest some of
this money moderately, some of it aggressively. You know. He's
(30:58):
just you don't know these things until you end up
having to make some choices on your own. Or with
the help of others, and it's a tough landscape to navigate.
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that into the next hour, is a little developing situation
(32:00):
over at Crypto dot com arena. Pau Gasol number up
into the rafters, great pregame ceremony, Tears in the eyes
everybody excited. They got the cool scherzy looking thing or
maybe it's actually a replica jersey that we're on the
their chairs as they came in. But a scary moment,
and well, it involves Anthony Davis dominant against the grizz
(32:22):
the mirantless Grizzlies, and what was a tie game, goes
up for a rebound and took what looked to be
a jab from David Roddy, who's not really going up
for the rebound. It looks like it's kind of a
half hearted because it's still early in kids maybe listening
have hearted attempt to poke the ball out Rich Instead,
(32:44):
he got all of Davis's nose, which just exploded in blood.
And he was off on the bench for a couple
of minutes and has now gone to the locker room. Yeah.
I was just talking to Justin, our producer, and man,
I'll tell you it's two things with him. Look, injury
PRONEUS is a real thing. Like once you start going
(33:06):
down the path of getting injured, I mean you can't help,
you can't stop the inertia. I mean you can do
certain things staying in shape in the offseason. Being one
of those guys who invest a tremendous amount in their body.
That's that doesn't sound like Anthony Davis. That's not really
been a D's bag, sure, but but yeah, I mean,
(33:29):
once you start going down that road, it's very difficult
to reverse course and that that appears to be what's happened.
And also throw on top of it, kind of the
cherry on top of the Sunday. He's just unlucky, you
know what I mean. Well, that's one of the things
we always forget, right. You can have some bad luck too,
oh yeah, oh yeah. In this case, I mean, it's
a perfect rebound. He goes up strong, coming down with
(33:50):
two hands on the ball and gets punched in the face. Yeah,
I mean, he did nothing wrong. It was a smooth
and tremendously athletic basketball play and maneuver. He just was
the unfortunate benefactor of a knuckle sandwich, you know. And
sometimes sometimes you take it right to the chops and
(34:11):
you bust your nose open, and you know, in football,
they would jam some sort of like black powder solving
up your nose to chemically quarterize your nostril, and then
they'd send you right back out on the court after
they hydrogen peroxide. All the blood on your jersey in basketball,
that's gonna be about six nights off. Well, it could be, right.
Sometimes we have the you know, women's hygiene product helps
(34:35):
be to help that as well. I mean, we've seen
people get innovative trying to get back on a court
and trying to in this case, I mean, he got
popped pretty good. So hopefully we get to see him
back on the court. As you got a forty three,
forty two Memphis lead here with just under four minutes
in the second quarter. We'll talk about Tom Brady more
next hour, but but leaving it here with the celebration
(34:59):
and and the Lakers and Anthony Davis, you know, the
most important eighteen games of his life, right Lebron wanted
to be about him in his twenty three games. It
doesn't matter anymore. He ain't playing, So it's all about
Anthony Davis and perception and reality. And I think part
of it, you know, lends to the commentary that you
heard around Paul Gasol and his importance rich to this
(35:22):
organization and why he's up in the rafters because some
were debating it and I saw some of the thought
pieces that we're finding their way into social media and
the blog sphere, and like folks seem to forget that
he doesn't come and that trade doesn't go down. And
we could talk about the NBA and maybe stacking the deck,
as some would allege, but you get a couple more
(35:43):
titles in Kobe Bryant stay as a Laker for the
entirety of his career. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean
he was a key. He helped unlock finals that I
don't think the Lakers would have been able to unlock
without him, and his name is forever etched in the
history of the game as a result of that. Look,
there's there's no such thing as the self made man.
(36:04):
I mean, you know, we can talk about anybody Steve Jobs,
Elon Musk, you know, the Titans of recent tech industry,
or you know the Winston Churchills, or you know the
uh the greats of the warring and and it does.
I mean, you need, you need an army behind you.
(36:25):
And so I mean Kobe Bryant, he didn't. He didn't
go into the fray on his own. He needed help,
He needed Jack, he needed gasol. That's that was a
part of the formula that made the Lakers great. During
the Bryant reign. Yeah. And one of the things about
this presentation tonight, giving Gasol's closeness with the Bryan family,
is you got that crowd and for that night, Laker
(36:48):
Laker nation, right. I'm always reticent to throw the nation
on anything, but it felt like old times watching the
pregame because you had that fervor for those teams that
were so great. He's John Burger in for Jason Smith
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(01:07):
in on what was a very active and accusation flying
kind of Tuesday. Oh yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah, it
really has turned uh into the The NFL has now
mirrored the NBA off season perfectly. Like we used to
really just get piled with news in the NBA off
(01:28):
season and think to ourselves like, hey, you know, when
are these other sports gonna catch up? And realize that
if you create a true soap opera with free agency,
with trades and you can you can sort of dominate
the calendar outside of your your your league's season times.
Um yeah, I mean like that wouldn't that be great? Well,
(01:51):
the NFL must have heard that, because they have completely
turned on their heel and you have quarterbacks potentially shifting teams,
you have major contracts that got struck around franchise tag date.
Of course, franchise tags have been handed down. It was
a busy, nondescript Tuesday in the middle of March, and
(02:15):
I loved every second of it. Oh, it's a beautiful thing.
You were up right and early doing your San Diego show,
counting down on the clock as to when the the
tags needed to be administered. What kind of activity would
we see? Well, we got plenty a lot of dollars
floating about and obviously the big topic of debate, the
(02:36):
soup du jour, as it were, it's our guy, Lamar
Jackson and the next iteration of the process with him,
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have the non exclusive franchise tag, that is the we
have fought and we've battled on the white boards in
the conference rooms, on conference calls, on zoom. Maybe at
(03:18):
the local coffee shop. Maybe we went and got some
crab cakes that pick your favorite place. I'd never want
to give one out because my friends in Baltimore curse
at me. No, you can't go to that place. That
place sucks. But however it was they finally got to
the eleventh hour and said, you know what, we're not
going to get here and bishat He made that pretty
clear early after the Deshaun Watson deal Rich where it was, Wow,
(03:40):
that's a lot of guaranteed money. There's no chance. That's
just a bad contract for the NFL. And obviously he
was waving at his guy that they were already talking
to because he was the next man up. And so
now we get the non exclusive tag. And I brought
it up. Yes, I've been kind of throwing it out
there for a couple of weeks. Well why wouldn't you
(04:02):
If you really get your hands tied you and you're
you're fighting over what your quote true market value is,
here's your chance to find out. And if someone wants
to go and play ball and make a hefty offer
to Lamar Jackson, you have the option to go back
into your books, look under all the couch cushions and decide,
(04:22):
all right, we can make this work. If not, you
get a couple of draft picks. I was trying to
sell Smith on this after he lost out, you know,
on Derek Carr, when Derek Carr went to the Saints,
and he just started an eyeball in me and immediately
started tweeting out pictures of either Aaron Rodgers or Lamar
Jackson in succession, going I'm getting either one of these guys.
This is great, but where it starts, the jumping off
(04:47):
point is immediately as a couple of teams bow out
and look, if they're not releasing official statements, it's through
this reporter, through that reporter. Our guy j Glazer was
in the middle of the one with Atlanta Falcons, but
it's like, yeah, they're not going to pursue it. The
Dolphins aren't going to pursue it. These gotta well, you
know what, you always have the opportunity to go back
(05:07):
to the drawing board if you don't like what's in
the room. Calmer heads, maybe someone comes up with the
brilliant point of clarity that breaks through the noise to say,
all right, maybe this does work and you're back in.
So any of those tweets going around today, except for
the one Glazer put out about Atlanta, I'll take with
a grain assault and it's not to disrespect the reporter,
(05:30):
but we know how this game is played, and we
know how the sands shift under your feet very quickly
when you've got a guy like Lamar Jackson that comes
to market, but immediately the cries and the megaphones, it
was collusion. Collusion Tuesday. Yeah, Yeah, here's the reality of
this situation with Lamar Jackson. I really don't know how
(05:54):
he's gonna navigate all of this without an agent. I mean,
the complexities of the situation as a starting quarterback in
the NFL, just talking about like the on the field
stuff outside of you know, having to handle relationships in
the building with teammates, executives and coaches and the media,
which we know that when you're a quarterback, you become
(06:16):
the face of a franchise. I mean, on top of
all that, the contracts they can get really really creative
when you're a quarterback. Incentive laid in all those sort
of things. And we look at, for example, Daniel Jones
and they one hundred sixty million dollar contract he just
signed with the New York Giants over the next four
years that has an incentive base of thirty five million
(06:40):
in additional guarantees that he can earn if he reaches
certain thresholds. It's that sort of level of creativity that
outside the box thinking that maybe a union rep lawyer
will not bring to the table, or even if you
hire outside counsel who's not used to negotiating and you're
going to pay him on a per contract basis, may
(07:01):
not necessarily understand the complexities. I just think that it's time.
I'm hearing all of this, and I'm well aware that
Lamar Jackson could end up being traded somewhere else, and
you know, maybe then he can start working on his contract.
But I keep coming back to the fact that he
doesn't have an agent, and I get this almost like
unsettled queasiness about the whole situation. I think I think
(07:26):
he should desperately be searching for a quality agent at
this point, somebody who's handled quarterback contracts and trades and
the alike in the past, and sort of bite the
bullet here because I think that that would be the
best medicine right now. There's a lot to unpack. You
brought up, Daniel Jones. That's another contract we'll get into
(07:47):
and a larger conversation because we get a lot of
standing by people. And I love Lamar Jackson. You and
I have talked about Lamar Jackson and what he is
as a player and the special things he and this
acial sauce he's got right when it comes to play
in this game, and a lot made of the Rashad
Bateman and DaCosta going back and forth about the wide
(08:10):
receiver position. Something I said DaCosta in the front office.
They're based on the history of the Ravens. You don't
get to pick it anymore. I've created a whole new
world here where you can still pick the rest of
your squad rich, but you don't get to pick that position. Right.
I called for the Chargers like, look, I don't I
don't know how much is Staley. I don't how much
(08:31):
as coaching, But if I can't get the guys on
the field, something's got to change. Well, they change their trainer.
You can blame me. The Ravens also blame their trainer.
They got rid of their trainers. So there's two. I said,
they can't pick their wide receivers. Well now they're fighting
with their wide receivers. And in Indianapolis, Look, Ballard, you
may love him, you may like the rest of the
(08:52):
roster he puts together. Guy can't pick a quarterback to
save his soul, No disrespect to our guy, Philip Rivers
attempting to come back. And the reality is like that worked,
you know as a stop gap, that was that was fine.
You know that where that worked and and I mean,
for all intents and purposes, I think had Matt Ryan
not fallen off the proverbial cliff, and then if the
(09:15):
owner didn't get so involved, maybe maybe that all shakes
out a little bit differently. He was playing somewhat banged
up too, but yeah, I mean he looked like he
was at the end of the end of his rope.
But we know the story with the Colts, Like you know,
that was a team that was supposed to be built
around Andrew Luck and they kind of got the carpet
pulled out from under them. But your point is heard. Like,
(09:36):
you look around the NFL and you see a lot
of mistakes that teams are making, and the ones that
are correctable and then are corrected, those are the teams
that usually have the most success. I mean, for years,
the Seattle Seahawks, the Patriots, the Kansas City Chiefs. Now
you know they've ascended to greatness. You know, these the
San Francisco forty nine ers, I'll lump them in there.
(09:58):
Even the Los Angeles Rams, I'll lump them in there.
When they have a problem, they get rid of it.
When they have a strength, they lean into it. The
Baltimore Ravens need to get in that camp. They absolutely do. Yeah,
I think the larger point. We'll get into it over
the course of the night. We got a special guest
coming up to talk about something near and dear to
our hearts. You a certainly college athlete into the pros,
(10:21):
and Jr. Was a star during his time at San
Diego State. Do some work. You guys know each other
down there. Something he's working on when it comes to
this nil thing, and I think on a day of
a franchise tag extravaganza, it's it's a perfect guy to
talk to of that bridge and all the knowledge, especially
when we talk about the Lamar Jackson situation. But it's
(10:44):
it's just funny the comparison this guy got that, this
guy can't get this, the outrage of he's a former MVP,
and they each team's going to treat their guy differently, Right,
those conversations are going to be much different. The expectations,
the pushing forward. We talked about Baltimore. They've spent a
lot of money, They've spent a lot of draft capital
at the wide receiver position. They've done it terribly. The
(11:06):
Giants this year you had Richie James and sae Quon
Barkley were the leading receivers. Yeah, ponder that a moment,
fifty seven catches each, Kenny Galladay couldn't get out on
the field, and now Super Bowl champion Knarius Tony was
thrown out of town. How much was on him and
what the program was asking of him versus the coaching
staff being able to work him up. You know, it's
(11:28):
like getting to the center of the tutsie rollpop. The
world may never know, but there's different set of circumstances.
So while it's apples to apples by the position they play,
how they're viewed in each respective building is going to
be different. Hence the desperation of the Haslems in Cleveland
and what they did to bring to Shaun Watson in wishing, wanting,
(11:50):
hoping that everything would get him back on the field
as fast as possible, and that he would return to
the guy that we saw in the plane at Houston
as fast as possible. So much to do with this
rich as we get going with Lamar, what's the end
game for this? And might he still find himself playing
for the Ravens in the fall? This and so much more.
(12:12):
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Perhaps at a darkness retreat, perhaps with candle's lint, wishing, wanting,
hoping for news on Aaron Rodgers and whether that meeting,
that pow wow that would happen here in California. Maybe
(14:00):
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(14:22):
You know we sometimes sing the share if I could
turn back time kind of thing as we roll through here,
and maybe I'll even wear the fish nets on occasion.
But we do that. Now. We bring out a special
guest form RNFL Wide Receiver San Diego State Hall of
Famer JR. Tolver with us JR. I got to watch
the introductory press conference today, all the fun and excitement
(14:46):
of the world of Nil brought to us on franchise
Tag day. We couldn't get any better of a confluence
of circumstance. You know what, Maybe we should have done
a Maybe we should have done a press conference in
the darkness. That probably would have been better. You know,
well you add that, maybe I add a little bit
of advice and a sounding board from Lamar Jackson while
(15:08):
we're at it. No, absolutely, absolutely, and I appreciate you
guys having me on. Man. I'm excited to talk to you. Yeah,
I know you got go ahead, Rich. Yeah, I was
just gonna say, I'm we're excited to chat with you
tonight as well. It's um. You know, it's something that
you and I have had multiple conversations about and text
conversations about over the past couple of years. Your involvement
(15:31):
in the NIL space. And before we get to a
lot of these NFL storylines, Jr. I just want to
ask you in general your thoughts on NIL, because I
think there's a lot of coaches, obviously, a lot of
you know, the old guard in college football who really
hate what it's doing to the game. But as a
former player, you know, and as somebody who's never coached admittedly,
(15:55):
so I don't know the side of it with all
the booster interaction and maybe some of the darkness that
that revolves around that space. I look at it simply
from a very brass tacks point of view. You know,
you put in labor, you should be able to earn.
And these these players, most of them are eighteen years
(16:16):
or older, you know, most of them, you know, in
many cases, have had a job in high school at
one point or another, and they turned in hard work
for money, you know, paychecks in the past, and then
all of a sudden they get to this college that's
benefiting multiple tens or hundreds of millions of dollars off
of their their labor, and they for years didn't receive
(16:37):
a single dime. So I mean, with that, I'm in
favor of NIL. How do you feel about this whole
experience so far, and how does it land with you
and resonate with you so far? So Rich, I think
everything that you just said is one thousand percent true.
At the end of the day, in this country, if
you add value, you get paid. There's no industry, there's
(17:02):
no situation in which somebody who is bringing value does
have does not have the opportunity to be to be compensated.
And the value that student athletes bring from their name,
image and likeness to a business or standing behind a
business or promoting a business, the value is you can't
(17:26):
even you can't even argue it, right, Like if you
have somebody who's a student athlete and they're they're they're
they're a stand up player, they're doing a lot of
the community. As a result, they have a lot of followers,
and if they promote something, you know, to their followers
or to their fan base, that is going to add
value to whatever business they're promoting. So I look at
(17:50):
this as really just the writing of the ships. Um
imagine Rich, you working for Uber or driving for Uber,
but you couldn't get paid for right. Student athletes now
have this opportunity to use their name, image, and likeness
like everybody else in this country, and to receive compensation
for it, and from a brass tax standpoint, that is
(18:14):
absolutely fair. Well, it's certainly going back to your time.
One of the things you reference financial finesse being part
of the project launched today Jr. You know, going back
to your stardom and final years in college and thinking, boy,
if I could turn back time and take advantage of
(18:34):
the opportunities. He had a couple of current athletes on
who are navigating those waters. But with the old guard,
you know, Nick Saban making his comments. Mut coach k
Is talked openly about how that didn't work for him
with Dabo. Sweeney said he was going to leave Lo
and behold, he's still patrolling his sideline and making millions
of dollars every year. Go figure how that works. Hey,
(18:56):
But all these guys, it's kind of like the Hey,
I'm gonna move to Canada or Mexico based on political elections.
But you know, as you go into the process and
you're helping young athletes go through i mean, navigating those waters,
how does that conversation begin, Especially when you've got maybe
older coaches and staffers that are reticent to adapt. Yeah,
(19:19):
you know, I think when it comes down to the
student athlete, you know, once they make the decision that
pursuing revenue associated with their name, image, and likeness is
something that they want to do, or even if they
don't pursue it, if opportunities come to them and they
decide that that's something they want to accept and receive,
(19:39):
that that's actually the easy part. I mean, there are
you know, hundreds of thousands of small businesses in this country,
and if you look at the stats, the stats to
say ninety three percent of small businesses go out of
business within their first five years. And so what I'm
trying to impress upon student athletes again, I'm not really
like too much involved in how you can make money,
(20:03):
or where you can make money from, or who should
or who shouldn't be paying you be paying you nil.
Long game is more so designed to say, if you
are going to make money from your name, image, and likeness,
what do you do with it after you earn it?
And I think that in this country, again, nine of
small businesses go out of business within the first five years.
(20:25):
Most set is because most small business owners don't understand
what it means to operate a small business, and so
our goal is to make sure at the very least
these five hundred thousand newly appointed by the NCAA small
business owners know that if you're going to pursue and
(20:46):
receive name, image and likeness revenue, here's how you approach
it in the most sustainable way. Gerald Tolver joining US
former wide receiver with the San Diego State Aztecs, all
so of the NFL now with nil long game. You
just heard him talking about some of that doing great
work for a lot of athletes in terms of financial advisory. Well,
(21:10):
one athlete we've been talking about already today is Lamar Jackson.
And my commentary about Lamar pretty much since this whole
debacle started between he and the Ravens Brasses, man, I
wish he was getting better advice. I wish he had
a team around him. You know, I guess I'll just
I'll put in the ball in your court this way, Jr.
(21:31):
And I'll say, like, if you know, since you consult
and you meet with athletes, and you talk to people
and you try to help guide, do you think Lamar
could use somebody in his camp, an agent, career manager,
somebody to help him make some of these decisions how
to handle some of these these things that he's experiencing
for the first time. But many of these people are
(21:51):
well versed and have experienced many times over with other clients. Yeah,
you know, what I think Lamar is trying to do
is actually really admirable. You know, I look at Lamar
and I say, how is Lamar any difference than a
Steve Jobs? Right, Steve Jobs kind of came in to
the marketplace and really used his vision to reset the market.
(22:13):
And obviously, if you're going to do that, you have
to have a great product, a great service, or be
a great talent. And Lamar Jackson is a generational talent.
So I honestly don't believe that there's anything wrong with
what he's doing. I feel like he is a generational talent.
He is attempting to reset the market based off the
value that he adds to the National Football League, and
(22:38):
again as a as a as a player, first entrepreneur,
first advocate, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Now,
to your point, there has to be a lot of strategy.
There needs to be an understanding of what the market
will actually give, and hopefully Lamar is having those conversations
with the with the advisors around him to that end,
(22:59):
Jay Are and Richard you may know this a little
bit as well as we converse about this part of
the equation. How much does the union, how much can
they do or do they always just push it back
to register and agents because it seems like a place
where the league, especially if Demorris Smith has eyes of
being the secretary of labor, that maybe they can help
in this process. Yeah. I mean, again, it's hard to
(23:25):
say without being having the eyes and ears on the
on the inside, on the inside of his camp. But sure,
I just you know, I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you.
I really respect the approach that he's taken in this
game of football. You know, NFL stands for not for long, right,
and so if you're not trying to maximize the opportunity
(23:49):
in the lifetime of the opportunity as a player, you're
probably not playing aggressive enough. So so so I'm probably
maybe one of the few, but I really respected Meyer
what Lamar is trying to do, and I think what
he's going to do is going to benefit him, but
it's also going to benefit the next Lamar Jackson. That
(24:10):
comes after him. So I'm really all for it, you know, JR.
To keep build on that. You know from the Ravens
are getting killed in this process as well from a
player perspective, And for what you just said about Lamar,
didn't they just do him the biggest favor because he
can actually go into the marketplace as opposed to just
(24:31):
getting the traditional tags slapped on him and either having
to play or having do you look like the bad
guy by holding out? Yeah? I mean again, I think
the nfl PA in the NFL has set up a
really great system where if a player feels like their
value is more than a team is willing to pay them,
then big at options. And I think the Ravens did
(24:53):
was what was best for them. And the reality is
they decided to go ahead and put as much on
the table as they're willing to put up front. Right,
they still have an opportunity to respond to the negotiations.
If another team comes in and says, you know, hey,
we want to pay Lamar X, they have an opportunity
to match it. I think Lamar is in a position
(25:15):
where at this point he can't lose. He's either going
to make thirty two million dollars this year, or he's
going to get a great offer from another team who
really wants him and really believes in him, and he's
going to get a new chapter well. Financial Finesse, the
country's leading independent provider of financial wellness coaching, today announced
the launch of nl L Long Game, and j R.
(25:37):
Tolver was at the center of it all. And man,
you're a busy dude. It's amazing that you're putting together
some time to help educate student athletes as they're making
some tough decisions with money that, frankly, many of them
have never experienced in their entire life. We're talking well,
and most adults don't know how to handle rich. Come on,
(25:58):
I mean, that's beyond a good point. That's a great point.
I remember when I got my first check in the NFL.
I didn't even know I could bring it to a bank.
I was like, what, like if they're a special place?
Were you what were you doing? Happy Gilmour? Oh no, dude,
you spend the trunk, not with the checks. I honestly,
I was like, do I mail this to somebody else now?
(26:19):
And they do it for me? I mean I would
so listen. The point is Jay are you doing God's work?
We appreciate you to spending a little time with us,
knuckleheads Tight and thanks for jumping on the show, bubb
no man, thanks for having on. I think you guys
introduced it the right way. If I would have known
then what I know now, what could I actually have
(26:39):
done and actually have been so? So yeah, this is
really just an opportunity for us to impart the knowledge
upon those that are coming behind us so they have
the best situation for themselves going forward. Jared, let me
ask you one last one before we let you go
the m the first question that you would have folks
(27:00):
to ask as they engage in this process, So say
that one more time. So if it's a student athlete
and their parents, you know, what's the first questions, Like,
what's the starting point of all right? How do I
find the person that's most going to be in line
to get me in the right direction? You know, I
(27:20):
would say, do you know the difference between earning money
as a business and earning money as a person. That's
the one question that allows student athletes and their parents
and their advisors to really understand what type of advice
they need to be successful. So Businesses earn money completely
(27:42):
different than people. Businesses spend money completely different than people.
Businesses are hacks completely different than people. And so I
think the biggest thing is do you know the difference
between how businesses aren't money and how people aren't money?
If that answer is yes, it provides a roadmap to
(28:03):
put a system in place. And if that answer is no,
it provides a roadmap to put a sycom in place.
Financial finesse is where you find a financial finesse dot com. Jr.
You've hammered that repeatedly, the individual businesses as opposed to
being people and going through it and making sure you
know that five hundred and twenty thousand strong new ones, Jr.
(28:27):
We appreciate you. I look forward to continuing the conversation
as this landscape continues to evolve. Thanks for your time,
Thanks for having the guys. Take care of yourself. That's JR.
Toulver at JR. Tulver sixteen is where you find him
on Twitter again. Financial finesse dot com. There you go,
Rich I That's how I had to phrase it because
in the presentation he was part of this morning, it
(28:48):
became a oh man, what I could have done that
final year at San diegos Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean,
and that's what a lot of these guys are experiencing,
and girls, frankly to athletes though, are experiencing when they
walk through the doors in college. I mean, the options
are limitless, you know, if you're able to balance your
(29:09):
school work, you know, whatever commitments you have to the
team you play for, while also hunting down some great
opportunities to make some scratch. And it can be big
money or small money. I mean, it can be life
changing or it could just be you know, weekend party money.
Whatever it is that you can get your hands on.
You can earn yourself a decent living alongside playing the
(29:32):
sport that you loved all through your childhood, just like
you should have been able to the whole time. I mean,
it's aboutter percent, no question about it. Just a very
interesting thing. And you know, I took some time out
this morning and I thought it was important, you know,
for those that may have a son or daughter pondering
these kind of things, or maybe getting a little more
(29:54):
understanding of the kind of the guidance and systems that
are starting to get in place that while it may
still be the wild West, to some degree, there's people
trying to bring some order to things right, and that's
the big, the big part of all of this. That's
good stuff. And Jr. Is one of those steady Eddy
type type dudes. I mean, I've spent a lot of
time with him down here in San Diego over the
(30:16):
course of our post playing careers, and he's just got
a good mind for business. He understands finances and like
many of us, you know, when you first get to
the NFL, you don't know what you're doing because nobody's
ever taught you, and you're learning hard lessons and some
of them are relatively easy lessons that don't need to
(30:36):
be learned the hard way. You just needed a coach
the same way I needed a coach to teach me
how to down block a nose tackle from the guard
position or pull out and you know, cut block of
safety on a sweet play. Like you kind of need
a coach to hold your hand a little bit and
say like, hey, okay, we're going to invest some of
this money moderately, some of it aggressively. You know. He's
(30:58):
just you don't know these things until you end up
having to make some choices on your own. Or with
the help of others, and it's a tough landscape to navigate.
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before we get to the NFL story, and we'll bridge
that into the next hour, is a little developing situation
(32:00):
over at Crypto dot com arena. Pau Gasol number up
into the rafters, great pregame ceremony, Tears in the eyes
everybody excited. They got the cool scherzy looking thing or
maybe it's actually a replica jersey that we're on the
their chairs as they came in. But a scary moment,
and well, it involves Anthony Davis dominant against the grizz
(32:22):
the mirantless Grizzlies, and what was a tie game, goes
up for a rebound and took what looked to be
a jab from David Roddy, who's not really going up
for the rebound. It looks like it's kind of a
half hearted because it's still early in kids maybe listening
have hearted attempt to poke the ball out Rich Instead,
(32:44):
he got all of Davis's nose, which just exploded in blood.
And he was off on the bench for a couple
of minutes and has now gone to the locker room. Yeah.
I was just talking to Justin, our producer, and man,
I'll tell you it's two things with him. Look, injury
PRONEUS is a real thing. Like once you start going
(33:06):
down the path of getting injured, I mean you can't help,
you can't stop the inertia. I mean you can do
certain things staying in shape in the offseason. Being one
of those guys who invest a tremendous amount in their body.
That's that doesn't sound like Anthony Davis. That's not really
been a D's bag, sure, but but yeah, I mean,
(33:29):
once you start going down that road, it's very difficult
to reverse course and that that appears to be what's happened.
And also throw on top of it, kind of the
cherry on top of the Sunday. He's just unlucky, you
know what I mean. Well, that's one of the things
we always forget, right. You can have some bad luck too,
oh yeah, oh yeah. In this case, I mean, it's
a perfect rebound. He goes up strong, coming down with
(33:50):
two hands on the ball and gets punched in the face. Yeah,
I mean, he did nothing wrong. It was a smooth
and tremendously athletic basketball play and maneuver. He just was
the unfortunate benefactor of a knuckle sandwich, you know. And
sometimes sometimes you take it right to the chops and
(34:11):
you bust your nose open, and you know, in football,
they would jam some sort of like black powder solving
up your nose to chemically quarterize your nostril, and then
they'd send you right back out on the court after
they hydrogen peroxide. All the blood on your jersey in basketball,
that's gonna be about six nights off. Well, it could be, right.
Sometimes we have the you know, women's hygiene product helps
(34:35):
be to help that as well. I mean, we've seen
people get innovative trying to get back on a court
and trying to in this case, I mean, he got
popped pretty good. So hopefully we get to see him
back on the court. As you got a forty three,
forty two Memphis lead here with just under four minutes
in the second quarter. We'll talk about Tom Brady more
next hour, but but leaving it here with the celebration
(34:59):
and and the Lakers and Anthony Davis, you know, the
most important eighteen games of his life, right Lebron wanted
to be about him in his twenty three games. It
doesn't matter anymore. He ain't playing, So it's all about
Anthony Davis and perception and reality. And I think part
of it, you know, lends to the commentary that you
heard around Paul Gasol and his importance rich to this
(35:22):
organization and why he's up in the rafters because some
were debating it and I saw some of the thought
pieces that we're finding their way into social media and
the blog sphere, and like folks seem to forget that
he doesn't come and that trade doesn't go down. And
we could talk about the NBA and maybe stacking the deck,
as some would allege, but you get a couple more
(35:43):
titles in Kobe Bryant stay as a Laker for the
entirety of his career. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean
he was a key. He helped unlock finals that I
don't think the Lakers would have been able to unlock
without him, and his name is forever etched in the
history of the game as a result of that. Look,
there's there's no such thing as the self made man.
(36:04):
I mean, you know, we can talk about anybody Steve Jobs,
Elon Musk, you know, the Titans of recent tech industry,
or you know the Winston Churchills, or you know the
uh the greats of the warring and and it does.
I mean, you need, you need an army behind you.
(36:25):
And so I mean Kobe Bryant, he didn't. He didn't
go into the fray on his own. He needed help,
He needed Jack, he needed gasol. That's that was a
part of the formula that made the Lakers great. During
the Bryant reign. Yeah. And one of the things about
this presentation tonight, giving Gasol's closeness with the Bryan family,
is you got that crowd and for that night, Laker
(36:48):
Laker nation, right. I'm always reticent to throw the nation
on anything, but it felt like old times watching the
pregame because you had that fervor for those teams that
were so great. He's John Burger in for Jason Smith
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