March 25, 2023 • 36 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss the current College Basketball tournament as Cinderella teams are rising up, and the NFL potentially flexing games for Thursday Night Football.
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be Nuts. It is a live drop Friday, and maybe
no better night to have a live drop Friday than
the night the ones all went home. It's like a
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horror movie. No number ones left in the NCAA tournament.
Everybody is gone. Kansas was gone early, Perdue was gone
even earlier. Alabama and Houston go out earlier. Today. You
know we're gonna get a final four of like Princeton
and Xavier and Yukon and Florida Atlantic. That's gonna be
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our final. And what's been great is for all of
these years, go back to Jimmy Vee running around and
all of those teams that we've celebrated, Cinderella stories and
the one shining moments and all of a sudden comma,
WA's wrong with the tournament? How do we have to
reset it? Because we can't have this. We can't have
all of these low seeds. Nobody knows it, nobody cares like, no, no,
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no, no no, no. You can't get all excitable on day
one of the tournament. We've been preaching this for years
here on the show, but for those nude it welcome
aboard here on Fox Sports Radio that the fact of
the matter is if you get the upsets early, you're
gonna pay for him late when it comes from a
rating and team and player knowledge base for the casual fan,
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and you know what, I'm here for every minute of it.
Let's go this. This is right now at the moment
where because you know, everybody goes crazy for their brackets
the first couple of days of the tournament, I have this.
Did you get this upset? I had this upset? I
had Slippery Rock beating Duke in the first round, and
everybody goes crazy, and then the bracket becomes a war
of attrition because a lot of people are out after
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the first run. I lose my funnel four team. I
loves this team. I loves this team. Okay, okay, but
now everybody's looking back, going, let me go back and
look at my bracket again and see yeah, let me
go back and see why never I had the zaga,
I had this. I had. Everybody's going back going you know,
maybe maybe, Wait, who's leading right now? Bernice is leading? Bernice.
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She doesn't even know the NSA tournament. Yeah, she just
picked for alphabetical order. She's feeling pretty good right now,
although she's not gonna get Zavier, but better hope if
they don't win. This is when. This is when nobody's
going back to their brackets. So like it's opening day,
shows are through one hundred pitches today, we're moving forward.
We're moving on. In years, people are gonna look back
at this tournament. Go remember the tournament twenty twenty three,
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and that's when Bernice one, Oh my God, where did
did she leave? Where did she go? Yeah? She quit
like right after and everybody, I can't believe she won.
She she picked because of the state she visited when
she went, you know, and when she was traveling across
the country, or or you know, Jim one, but Jim
doesn't even like sports. Yeah, Jim just m because he
liked the colors. You know, the team that's who's gonna
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win the tournament now, because that's who's left. I mean, really,
you are talking about the teams that are left in
the tournament right now. A nine, A three, A four,
A three, A three, A two, H five, H five
or six and a fifteen. I mean, this is this
is just absolute anarchy and insanity. And you know, we've
never seen something like this in the tournament where all
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of these ones have gone dat even make it to
the eliting all the one You're gonna have one and
make it to the elite eight. It was oh wow,
we lost Purdue early. But you know how good was Purdue? Really?
You know we lost Kansas Kansas. Yeah, okay, they didn't
have Bill South. Okay, that's fine. Boy, Houston's really good.
Alabama might be the best. Nope, Nope, nope, nope. The
door closes on both of them earlier today with the
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winds by Miami and San Diego State, absolute anarchy is here. Well,
I think you know, we talked a little bit about
it earlier in the week, but the conversation being what
are you playing for and building your roster and recruiting for,
right the acknowledgement and the familiarity and all of that
in the ebb and flow of your conference season or
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when you get to the NCUBAA tournament, suddenly you're facing
myriad styles, myriad looks defensively, things maybe you can't match
up with. Right, last night, I mean, everybody loved Ucla
and then you miss a couple of big guys you
don't file Drew, Timmy, he kind of goes nuts, and
then you have one of the craziest, most exciting games
we ever did. But it sends UCLA's vaunted, you know,
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trilogy of senior leaders off into the next part of
their basketball existence, grad transfer or whatever they might be.
But we look at the tournament as as a whole,
and it's just the week to week build for some
of these teams. Right, thirty win teams and they've gone home.
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And so now we get to the Elite eight and
we don't have a one seed, and for some it's
going to be how do we fix this problem? It's like,
you know the mispass interference call in the NFL a
couple of years ago, Like, Nope, we got to change that.
We got to figure out how to review everything and
make sure this is right and that's right and everything else.
So I can't wait to hear all the big think
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tank stuff that goes for college buckets coming off of
this one. But you get a terrible performance from Alabama.
Say tonight, right, Brandon Miller set a record for futility
in in this tournament by scooting eight for forty one
m there's one of your National Player of the Year candidates. Obviously,
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all the off court stuff is what we've been following
the suck. But Jason, I mean, you know when when
we talk about just in a in a vacuum, excitement
is about as good as it gets. Well, let me
let me blow your mind with something. Let's go. I
don't know the answer to this, but I've been frantically
trying to look it up in the last few minutes. Okay,
I don't know the answer, but I got a feeling
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it's Steve might know the answer is a long Let's
put the Let's bring Steve to say, let me let
me test the the the the he knows knowledge of
Steve to say, you're here, I don't know that, but
failure here, Yeah, let let us test. Sorry, Steve, I
didn't mean that. Let let us test this out here.
It's your problem, suddenly, Steve. Suddenly, Steve is on. Okay, Steve.
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How many wins for the Mets this year? Okay? No?
Eight or nine? Eighty? Wow? Well you know eighty nine
got a team to the World Series last year. So okay,
like March Madness, you just gotta be hot at the end. Okay,
that's true. Okay, very good. Now here's something, here's something
for you. Right now, we could have a final four,
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as I said, of Princeton, Xavier, Florida Atlantic and Yukon
right now. Ucon's got to play again Zaga, So just
think about that, Yukon Organza, Princeton, Xavier, Florida Atlantic and Yukon.
When is the last time we had a Final four
without a team from a Power five conference? Last time
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we had a Final five? I think I just found
the answer. And it's not it's it's it's it's it's
And the reason I found it is because it's not
as difficult as you think. It's a long time ago,
but it's not as difficult as you think. It was
a very famous NCAA championship game. Well you're including right,
in basketball that's known as a power conference. Yes, Big
Eas is powered, but but right but right now you
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are looking at Yukon. Could be in Big East, you
can have Gonzagonad and whatever it is. But you're looking
at the last time we saw a final four without
any teams from one of the power five conferences. This,
this couldn't be since you and I have worked here.
It's at Oh no, no you kidding, No, No, it's
like it's it's longer ago than that. It's forget it
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like you like you you are. Let me let me see,
let me tell you you are back probably before you
and I and Harmon were born to find hello, to
find that. So nineteen forties you are, you are back? Wow?
You know, jerk, you you were the guys setting up
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things with John Wick all those years ago? What was
World War two? Like? Uh so it's got to be
before then. Uh, yes, before because even remember that one
year where you tap wanted they beat Kentucky, so that
would be a Power conference. Ye, I am looking back
that it is even before that. Wow, it is even
before that. I mean, I don't know where I'm gonna.
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I thought I found it, but it wasn't because I'm like, oh,
I forgot about that. So I'm looking back now and
I'm still not finding it. I'm I'm still not finding it.
It's insane, and I am now. I am now back
years and years before we were born. I'm all the
way back to when the Big Eight was the Big seven.
That's how far back I am looking at. I haven't
found it yet. So are you saying maybe never? Um?
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Now here, Here's the thing. This was. It was a
pretty This game this year was pretty famous because a
team that won it has never been back to the
tournament ever. But I New York then, Yes, I'm back
in nineteen fifty when it was CCNY, Missouri Valley was
Bradley but North Carolina State, I mean, Southern Conference is
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still Power five right turned into Power five months not
it acc then? Not? No no no no, no, they't
We didn't even have the Atlantic coast at that point.
I don't mean the ofference, I mean the Atlantic on
the map. Yeah. Yeah, we were still in the middle
of the country. It was still Kansas, and then it
was a lot of ocean. So I don't think that counts, right,
that doesn't count. I don't think that counts. Um Well,
who was the fourth team? Uh? The fourth team was Baylor,
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who was back And that was when it was a
Southwest conference. That was well we would consider the Big
twelve of a power conference now, so maybe not even then.
So that that's it's I mean, I'm back now. I
went all the way back to the first NCAA tournament.
I have not found it played at Northwestern's Patent gym.
Now if you are if you reached Northwestern, yeah, it
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was a it was a very small gym on the campus.
They eventually built a huge center that had tracks and
just very expansive, an aquatic center, the whole thing. But
there's a small gym that you go in there and
it is the prototypical early gym. You walk through there's
a basketball court and then you go into the weight
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room and it stinks to high hell. No matter what
they do to it. It's all iron, all old, all
a bunch of muscle heads, grunting and screaming at each other.
It's it's the best experience in the world. So the
answer is never, because we would certainly include the old
Southwest Conference with Texas would be a power conference. Sure
so sure. Well, At first of all, I want to
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say that also was until this year the last time
Northwestern was in the tournament because they helped buddy. They
gave them a free thing, the guys. Secondly, I'm sure
Harmon in the in the you know, the thirty years
since you went to school there, they upgraded a little
bit unless you went back. Sometimes. Well, no, I think
that Jim is still there though, Like I think they've
left that alone. Jim, Jim Jim. Now, if you don't
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call the Big East, if you don't call the Big
East a Power five conference and you know we're talking
power five, uh, then nineteen eighty five is your answer,
because that was the three Big East team. It was
Saint John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Memphis State, No Big Villanova. Georgetown
was even bigger than it was it was at its biggest. Big. Yeah,
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the Big East was big. We're talking about Power five
Conferent Day. We've never had it, Power five nineteen eighty five.
That was it. Unbelievable, unbelieved that. That's that's the insanity
of this of this tournament right now. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Well,
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two games left right now in the NCAA Tournament, and
one of them looks like it's gonna be over sometime
very soon. And it looks like it's going to be
the Creton Blue Jays who are going to advance the
Elite eight. They have a huge lead over Princeton right now,
sixty eight to fifty two. Was just about twelve minutes
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left to go in the second half. If Creton wins, Okay,
if Creton wins again we talked about this a little
bit last hour, but just think about this now. If
Creton wins, that means San Diego State, Creton, Florida Atlantic,
or Kansas State will be playing for the national championship.
So great, one of those teams will be playing for
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the national championship. Just think about that for a second.
Not not Alabama, No, we're not talking about Arizona or
Baylor or Purdue or Mark No, No, no. One of
those teams. San Diego State, Creighton, FAU and Kansas State.
One of those teams is playing for the national championship
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next Monday night. Yeah, I mean part of it is
we just have to change our thinking and try to
see if this doesn't usher in a new age of
college hoops. Right? Does the world of nil grad transfers
all of these things? Right? And remember some of these
teams benefited from guys sticking around because of the COVID year, Right,
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everybody got the extra season tapped in. So you add
all that together and you have a little more of
the chaotic time. We've seen so many high leverage, high
profile coaches step away, most of them either under their
breath or once they've gotten a little bit removed from
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things cursing out the current state of college athletics and
where we're at and where that roadmap is safeguards or
shysters creeping around programs and you know, the shady people
as it were. So, I mean, you got all of
that kind of coming into play, and it sets up
a scenario like we have here. Right, Alabama was the
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consensus number one. They've been able to ride through all
of the off court drama and terrible circumstances surrounding Brandon Miller.
He comes into the tournament and has the worst tournament ever,
eight of forty one and shooting percentage is the lowest,
you know, when we start getting into thresholds for how
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much he's touched the ball. So it's a different environment
everything you've built up for. It's like, hurry up, I
love you, now change you know, you know what the
this is gonna be, and this is gonna be the
big takeaway from this, right, what does this mean? We
have a year where it's gonna be mainly all Cinderellas,
right where at best you're gonna have a three seed.
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You know it is gonna be you know, in the
tournament or to play for the national championship, you know,
all Texas. Texas also is up big over Xavier right
now at halftime forty two twenty five. So it looks
like Texas is going to move in and there a
two seed. But you aren't big at the buzzer too. Yeah,
you're you're getting None of the blue bloods are you know, survived,
you know, Kansas didn't survive Duke didn't survive. You're getting
the even the Johnny Come Lately powers of Houston. You
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know the last few years they didn't survive. Baylor didn't survive. Um,
what this is going to make and I'll guarantee you
this is that if we see a final four, let's
just say it's Creton makes it to the final I
think Creton's better than San Diego State. Let's say Creton
and Texas and Yukon and Kansas State. Right, you have
these teams that were add they were just okay, they
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were teams that were you know, they finished you know,
third or fourth in their conference. You are going to
see the argument made in a large way to expand
the tournament because if you can let these teams in
that can be middle of the pack teams in Power
five conferences and they can make these big runs, or
you let more of these mid major type teams in
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and they continue to make these runs, maybe we can
let more teams in. Let's just if we're gone, if
the era of hey, the sixty four sixty eight team tournament,
and eventually we're gonna get Duke and Carolina and Kentucky
and Kansas and all the blue Bloods and the teams
you know that you watch all the time if that
era is gone, because I really do think that error
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is gone. You have so much more talent spread out
around the country. Nobody stays as long anymore. They all stay,
you know, if you're really good, you stay a year
or two, you move on. You try to make it
to the NBA. You're not going to see these yearly
powers like Cans and like I just think it's a
it's an error whose time has come and gone. Of
the teams at every single year win their Power five
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Conference and go deep into the NCAA. I don't think
that that's feasible anymore. So now if you're seeing a
case in a situation where hey, you can anybody can
come in here. We got sixteens beating ones now and
you know two this year. If you're saying anybody can win,
why not expand the tournament? Because if anybody can win,
if sixteens can come in and win and fairly Dickinson
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come come in and beat per Due, why can't we
let more? Why can't you let a team like syracusin.
Why couldn't you let Michigan in? Right? Why couldn't you
let some of these other schools in that were they're
a little bit lower in the in the in the
seedings in the Power five Conference, But why can't you
let these other teams in if it's truly anybody's game now,
and that's gonna be the big The big thing coming
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out of this is that, well, if we're just gonna
have a whole bunch of chaos and we can't bank
on the blue blood's making it to the end where
we see the the you know, we see the upsets early,
but in the end it's Duke Kentucky or Duke Carolina.
If we can't, if we don't have that, why not
expand the tournament. That's gonna be a big thing. And
I guarantee you they do expand it. We may go
from sixty eight, may see a smaller one like sixty
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eight to seventy two, seventy six, something like that, but
maybe something where those play in nights become bigger nights
and they become big nights for the NCAA tournament in general,
where they're they're just like Thursday and Friday, We're gonna
get those sixteen games on Tuesday in sixteen games on Wednesday,
and then the sixteen Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, and it
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becomes an entire week. Because we all want glut we
all like gluttony, we all want to expand stuff. Why
not make it a week like that for college basketball?
And that's what we're going to see because that's to
be the big buy product of this tournament. Well, more
quote play in games, all of those. Sure, I mean
it's more revenue, more opportunity. And in an age where
you've got all this chaos, what do you do the
one product you know that works, go and get more
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of it now. Obviously, everybody that loves to watch television
ratings are already wringing their hands over next week. But
I'm looking at from pure basketball, I'm entertained. But the
argument against it, I take you to the famous Pixar
film The Incredibles and the character of Syndrome saying, well,
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once everybody's super than no one. Oh look at that
six guys, so Syracuse can get in. Serious, if you
expanded to one hundred, Syracuse might have gotten in because
they were on the first four out of the first
four out of the first four out of the bubble
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teams that were the first four out before the first
four in. So if you got the ninety six, they
might have made it. Well. I mean the first step
is getting acknowledgment and then I mean the lobbying that
will go on. Are you kidding me? At this point
You're gonna have state senators giving stump speeches. You got problems,
you got infrastructure problems, doesn't matter. We got to get
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our team in. We need more, especially the state schools
because you need some of that revenue coming back in.
Let's go there. On's fired m cronin yet? Oh stop?
Come on, maybe they're gonna fire the trainer because he
could talk. Gotta listen to the whole show. Welcome in,
new folks, those that have been around a minute can
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appreciate that for what it was. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon
weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. But joining us now
on the Hotline. He is a Pro Football Hall of
Very Good voter, longtime NFL insider. Check him out on
out Kick. He just emerged for Darkness Retreat with Lamar Jackson.
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He's gonna tell us. What's gonna happen with Lamar? Right now?
Go add sex dudes? All right, Jason Cole, Jacole, what's
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It's live. It's live drop Friday, so we don't we
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don't plastical drops. We just say them live you make
it is almost April and Aaron Rodgers Stilipacker, how do
you feel about that way? First things first, First things first,
it's ikey, ikey icky, Jordan loves now is only two
double vey Jordan loves zal easy, that's always. Give Lamar
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Jackson a two hundred mill and do you think if
they gave the guy a suitcase full of money that
was quote representing him, that he would have up scotted?
What said? Two hundred million dollars? Ken Ken Francis. I mean,
I know they want to sell their little mobile Jim thing,
but I gotta feeling that guy would have been in
some place where he couldn't have been extradited. Oh bo guitar.
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It was definitely on the on the tickets right there. Yeah,
he in Columbia. Here we come right now, Um yeah,
I mean, I don't know what to make of this.
You know, he as lamar lamar Jackson always does he know,
does some laughing emoji thing to dispel any rumor about
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anything that has to do with anything that he's not
talking about. So who knows what reality is. But the
fact is that you know you're not supposed to. It's
written in the Collective Bargaining Agreement right. Teams are not allowed,
per the Collective Bargaining Agreement to talk to people who
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are not your agent. So it just tells me how
little players understand and know about the process of being
represented that they ever do this, because this is not
the first time has ever happened. The players don't even
know their own rules. Like, that's how poor the nfl
PA does, does explain, because the basics of how this
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is supposed to work, you have to have an agent
represent you. If there's if there's another person representing you,
you can represent yourself. There's nothing, you know, nothing in
the rules against that. But if you have anybody, they
have to be certified. It's just a rule, and the
team is not allowed to talk to anybody who's not
(23:15):
certified by the NFLPA. You know, here's the thing, Jake
Hole is that. A couple of nights ago he said, boy,
this whole collusion thing with Lamar Jackson, it's somebody's got
at least bring him in for a conversation. It's really weird.
And then this story breaks with Ken Francis and and
Lamar taking care of this with laughing emojis, and I go, oh,
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now I know why Lamar Jackson is not signed. I mean,
this guy's got to take ownership of his career at first,
you know, for he wants a big contract, and I'm
just gonna put laughing emojis on social media when this
is a pretty serious thing. And maybe teams aren't calling
me because I'm an enigma wrapped in a mystery that's
filled with a riddle. I mean that that maybe that's
what it is for him. Well, the simplest thing about
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this is running quarterbacks don't survive in this league. They
just don't. He's played five years, he's been hurt the
last two years, and on top of that, he's not
a great passer. Okay, we've talked about this. He's a
good passer and he's got some abilities. Okay, but The
biggest problem is no quarterback in the history of this
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league has ever survived more than you know, five, six, seven,
eight years. You know, Cam Newton at eight years with
one hundred carries or more. Guys simply don't survive running
that much. And I'm not just talking about Cam Newton.
You know the Michael Vick. You know a lot of
injuries during his career. You know, just you know, last
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four seasons he was a backup. His body was beat up.
But Randall Cunningham another guy. I look at Josh Allen,
He's already had four seasons of a hundred carries. He's
the last four. That's not good. So but at least
Buffalo was smart and they paid him ahead of time.
So if he if his body does break down, at
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least they paid for it already and they got out
from underneath the contract. If he wears down after say
six seven, eight years, Lamar Jackson's looking for a five
year deal. He's played five years already. Does he think
that anybody in the NFL thinks he's making it to
ten years playing the way that he does and throwing
the way that he does. No, So, I mean, all this,
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all this idiocy about the agent, about the pollusion. You know,
do I think that NFL owners don't want to pay
fully guaranteed contracts. Sure, they don't want to pay fully
guaranteed contract Absolutely, they don't want to pay fully guaranteed contracts.
But I also think they want to win, and I
think the teams want to have really great players that
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they can get them, and they can get them at
a reasonable price. If Kirk Cousins got a fully guaranteed contract,
notion in my mind, well, Mark Jackson would get one
if it was a reasonable kind of deal that they
thought he would fulfill. And it's just not. That's not
what's going to happen. Jason Cole our guest here, the
Jason Spitzhe with me, Mike Carmen here Fox Sports or Radio.
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You read him on OutKick, find him on Twitter at
Jason Cole sixty two, and you celebrate the men in
trying in Canton because he helped put him there, or
ever he desperately tried to keep him out. Yeah. I mean,
all those cowboys you let in this year, I mean,
I just don't even know anymore. Do you have a
sneak peak of the twenty person class for next year.
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Can you go a sneak peak of that? Yeah, I think,
um it's gonna be headlined um by Zach Wallside, Waynebet,
Wayne Curbet. Okay, good, he was very good. Okay, no,
it's good. But you know, Will Aaron Rodgers with Zach
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Will didn't even make the b YU Hall of Fame
at the point. Oh no, no, no, no no, no, he
was one year starter. Basically think about that. Would he
qualify for the BYU Hall of Fame? Is he really
one of their greatest players all or is he just
a trivia question? Our trivia answer? Um, you know, as
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one of the highest picked you know BYU players of
all time? Which one is it? Does he make the
BYU Hall of Fame? And I say no, he doesn't.
Well we'll watch that. His mom and all of his
mom's girlfriends might make the Hey if they have any clout,
may they may be able to vote him in? Uh
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and push that through. Uh Jacoble, you referenced it coming
in Aaron Rodgers another day. Uh. Deeper into March. Now
we've got celebrities saying I did I'll aska with him too.
As you get the Paul brothers involved in all this
fun stuff Um, yeah, it's they're true. They're trustworthy. The
Paul Brothers always trustworthy. Yeah. You know, anything that they say,
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you can take that to the bank. But I'll watch
Logan wrestle though he's a highly athletic individual. But the
longer this drags out, is there any chance in unravels?
And what's Carolina doing? What are they setting up for? Well,
I mean Carolina is setting up for they're gonna take
I think they're taking CJ. Stroud. I mean why, I mean, like,
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I like, everybody likes to put a lot of intrigue
into this, and I get that at the end of
the day, Frank Rice has always we talked about this
last week. Look at Frank richtrack record. He liked the
big quarterbacks. I mean the entire league likes big, strong quarterbacks.
There's nothing new. Bryce Young is a little dude. So
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I think it's gonna be Stroud. You know. Bottom line
is they're taking quarterback there, So I don't think they're
doing anything else. They're certainly not getting involved near Rogers
thing or anything like that. Ye know, this is for
the Jets and for the Jets to screw up, and
you're looking for a team that will screw this up.
(29:09):
Look no further than gangre Oh of course. Oh hey, listen,
disaster lurks around every corner. I'm I'm firm about that.
The Hall of Fame quarterback says, I want to play
for you. Yes, yes, can't realized. Don't make it happens.
We're making it happen. But look, Jay Cole, listen, let
me let me explain something. Let me explain some team
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because you know, listen, listen, let me explain some tea
because I've been covering football for all I know you're
kind of new to the game here. Let me explain something.
What's going on right now? Okay, the Jets have realized.
The Jets have realized they have the leverage because Aaron
Rodgers can't go back to Green Bay. It's worse if
he goes back. Then if the Jets say, okay, we're
moving on to somebody else, so instead of we want
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a first and a second and third, the Jets is saying, yeah,
maybe not, maybe a second and maybe two seconds, maybe
a second and a third because they know the Packers
have overplayed their hand. They've already pushed him out. If
it comes down to it and it gets to a
point where the Jets like, okay, fine, we'll give you
a first round pick. But right now they're saying, yeah, no,
maybe we don't give you a first, maybe a second
and third because we know you can't have him back.
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It's something called negotiating. You know. I'll explain that to
you an email. And if you have to cut, your
inner team negotiates better than the Jets. Nobody. Now, how's
that Darrelle Reva's final contract playing for you Patriots of Yeah,
Patriots Hall of Famer Drell Revas. Hey, it feels pretty
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good to still be paying a Hall of Famer. Okay,
not just some guy walking around. Yeah, this guy, this
guy's not just Hall of very good. He's a Hall
of Famer that we decided to pay that money too. Yeah,
after he had already played out his Hall of the
same moments. You know, I can still I can still
remember you, jerk. I can still remember when you came
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on the show with us. I can still remember I
can still remember when you came on the show and
this is exactly what you said. We talked about revs
this season, and you said, just to let you know,
I heard something from somebody I trust and I said,
watch that. Watch Reevs. This year, he didn't really work
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in the offseason like he normally does. Just watch And
I said really, and you said, he told me just
watch and see what happens to Revas. And of course
Revas fell off a cliff that year. I still remember
you telling me that, So I didn't at least have
liked you. You know, three weeks by way, did you
see Revas in the Hall of Fame? You know, knock
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on the door, So did you did you get a
look at that at that? No? No, was that when
Ty Pennington knocked on his door and said, we're here
for a complete homemade and all the fame. Let's let's
just say this. It was Ty Law, Who're not gonna
Kayla is in a lot better shape to be playing
right now and than Durell. Let's just put it that way. Okay, Okay,
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that's all right, Okay, he's looking like a nose guard
right now. So okay, and I appreciate that, okay, as
a as a fellow potential nose guard. Um, but yeah,
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where were we? Where do we? How do we get here?
Because I remember when you told me that was going
far off the flippy right, well I did, and because
this is what you guys do, like Aaron Rodgers. You know,
we'll probably you'll you'll trade for Aaron Rodgers and he'll
probably gain eighty pounds in the off season. And I'm
able to wow because this is what this is what
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happens to the Jets. This is your reality. This is
what you deal with. You get, you get Brett Farve
and all of a sudden, you've got, you know, photos
going everywhere. This is what happens to the Jets. That's
the most notable thing that Brett Farve did for the Jets. Right, Um,
(33:10):
you you get you know, like it's just it's always
a disaster. It's it's your curse, your cursed, your cursed. Yeah,
but once every fifty years we get something good. It's
the cur once every fifteen years, isn't it. That's what
it is. It's the bachelor's curse from from the old
the old bar. Can you tell me is ayahuasca an
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appetite stimulant? I mean, if you're telling me that's the case,
I'd be worried. But I don't think it is. I
think it's unlikely. Look, I'll I will, I will back off.
On the eighty pound weight gain thing. Okay, but Aaron
Aaron Rodgers with Steve Survey covering him, that's a match
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made in hell. Okay, just a match made in hell? Okay.
Like the nicest guy in that group is to mean
and here right, Christini is the nicest guy covering the Jets,
and he's still vicious. Let's just put hey, where's Aaron today?
(34:16):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm Aaron. Aaron's not talking to you
right now because he's on the Pat McAfee show. So
he directed me to the board right here. You can
pull your quotes off at this right here, gonna go. Well,
what what's Francesa gonna do about that? Oh my sleep? Yes,
well that's that's true. Too good. Not even he's not
even on the air anymore, it's not even come. But
(34:40):
he will come back just to do this. I can't
believe this. I can't believe this, Mikey, look at this.
I don't know how we got him. It will be
it will be fantastic. He will go back on the
air just to just to rip him and Rogers will
just implode. He will just not be able to handle this.
(35:02):
He will be praying to go back to Green Bay.
He will pray to go back to the cave in
or again somewhere right, it's the Caves of Altamira byte
by Steely Dan and get that get that reference for
you there you go. Oh sure, I'm sure you'll put
the lyrics of the songs up and said of something
piffy about football, which is what normally like tweet. Yeah. Sure,
he'll be singing things that I left my old man
(35:23):
back in Oregon, take me alive, that kind of thing.
There you go, see you Lottle more steely littlemore Steely
Dan for you little. And I could see him say
this that. Um, I could definitely see him start quoting
the lyrics and during his breast conferences, can't she said,
would be a total Aaron Rodger. Oh yeah, as a
(35:44):
way of trying to diffuse any of the criticisms they takes.
And then all the reporters will just be seeing, They're going,
what's going on here? What's going on? They'll just be
ripping him left and right. It'll be merciless. Follow at
Jason Cole sixty two, that is, at Jason Cole sixty two.
See him on OutKick as well. Jay Cole is always
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but appreciating your time. Man. We'll talk to you later, guys.
Bye Bunny.
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be Nuts. It is a live drop Friday, and maybe
no better night to have a live drop Friday than
the night the ones all went home. It's like a
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horror movie. No number ones left in the NCAA tournament.
Everybody is gone. Kansas was gone early, Perdue was gone
even earlier. Alabama and Houston go out earlier. Today. You
know we're gonna get a final four of like Princeton
and Xavier and Yukon and Florida Atlantic. That's gonna be
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our final. And what's been great is for all of
these years, go back to Jimmy Vee running around and
all of those teams that we've celebrated, Cinderella stories and
the one shining moments and all of a sudden comma,
WA's wrong with the tournament? How do we have to
reset it? Because we can't have this. We can't have
all of these low seeds. Nobody knows it, nobody cares like, no, no,
(01:49):
no, no no, no. You can't get all excitable on day
one of the tournament. We've been preaching this for years
here on the show, but for those nude it welcome
aboard here on Fox Sports Radio that the fact of
the matter is if you get the upsets early, you're
gonna pay for him late when it comes from a
rating and team and player knowledge base for the casual fan,
(02:10):
and you know what, I'm here for every minute of it.
Let's go this. This is right now at the moment
where because you know, everybody goes crazy for their brackets
the first couple of days of the tournament, I have this.
Did you get this upset? I had this upset? I
had Slippery Rock beating Duke in the first round, and
everybody goes crazy, and then the bracket becomes a war
of attrition because a lot of people are out after
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the first run. I lose my funnel four team. I
loves this team. I loves this team. Okay, okay, but
now everybody's looking back, going, let me go back and
look at my bracket again and see yeah, let me
go back and see why never I had the zaga,
I had this. I had. Everybody's going back going you know,
maybe maybe, Wait, who's leading right now? Bernice is leading? Bernice.
(02:52):
She doesn't even know the NSA tournament. Yeah, she just
picked for alphabetical order. She's feeling pretty good right now,
although she's not gonna get Zavier, but better hope if
they don't win. This is when. This is when nobody's
going back to their brackets. So like it's opening day,
shows are through one hundred pitches today, we're moving forward.
We're moving on. In years, people are gonna look back
at this tournament. Go remember the tournament twenty twenty three,
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and that's when Bernice one, Oh my God, where did
did she leave? Where did she go? Yeah? She quit
like right after and everybody, I can't believe she won.
She she picked because of the state she visited when
she went, you know, and when she was traveling across
the country, or or you know, Jim one, but Jim
doesn't even like sports. Yeah, Jim just m because he
liked the colors. You know, the team that's who's gonna
(03:33):
win the tournament now, because that's who's left. I mean, really,
you are talking about the teams that are left in
the tournament right now. A nine, A three, A four,
A three, A three, A two, H five, H five
or six and a fifteen. I mean, this is this
is just absolute anarchy and insanity. And you know, we've
never seen something like this in the tournament where all
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of these ones have gone dat even make it to
the eliting all the one You're gonna have one and
make it to the elite eight. It was oh wow,
we lost Purdue early. But you know how good was Purdue? Really?
You know we lost Kansas Kansas. Yeah, okay, they didn't
have Bill South. Okay, that's fine. Boy, Houston's really good.
Alabama might be the best. Nope, Nope, nope, nope. The
door closes on both of them earlier today with the
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winds by Miami and San Diego State, absolute anarchy is here. Well,
I think you know, we talked a little bit about
it earlier in the week, but the conversation being what
are you playing for and building your roster and recruiting for,
right the acknowledgement and the familiarity and all of that
in the ebb and flow of your conference season or
(04:41):
when you get to the NCUBAA tournament, suddenly you're facing
myriad styles, myriad looks defensively, things maybe you can't match
up with. Right, last night, I mean, everybody loved Ucla
and then you miss a couple of big guys you
don't file Drew, Timmy, he kind of goes nuts, and
then you have one of the craziest, most exciting games
we ever did. But it sends UCLA's vaunted, you know,
(05:05):
trilogy of senior leaders off into the next part of
their basketball existence, grad transfer or whatever they might be.
But we look at the tournament as as a whole,
and it's just the week to week build for some
of these teams. Right, thirty win teams and they've gone home.
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And so now we get to the Elite eight and
we don't have a one seed, and for some it's
going to be how do we fix this problem? It's like,
you know the mispass interference call in the NFL a
couple of years ago, Like, Nope, we got to change that.
We got to figure out how to review everything and
make sure this is right and that's right and everything else.
So I can't wait to hear all the big think
(05:50):
tank stuff that goes for college buckets coming off of
this one. But you get a terrible performance from Alabama.
Say tonight, right, Brandon Miller set a record for futility
in in this tournament by scooting eight for forty one
m there's one of your National Player of the Year candidates. Obviously,
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all the off court stuff is what we've been following
the suck. But Jason, I mean, you know when when
we talk about just in a in a vacuum, excitement
is about as good as it gets. Well, let me
let me blow your mind with something. Let's go. I
don't know the answer to this, but I've been frantically
trying to look it up in the last few minutes. Okay,
I don't know the answer, but I got a feeling
(06:33):
it's Steve might know the answer is a long Let's
put the Let's bring Steve to say, let me let
me test the the the the he knows knowledge of
Steve to say, you're here, I don't know that, but
failure here, Yeah, let let us test. Sorry, Steve, I
didn't mean that. Let let us test this out here.
It's your problem, suddenly, Steve. Suddenly, Steve is on. Okay, Steve.
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How many wins for the Mets this year? Okay? No?
Eight or nine? Eighty? Wow? Well you know eighty nine
got a team to the World Series last year. So okay,
like March Madness, you just gotta be hot at the end. Okay,
that's true. Okay, very good. Now here's something, here's something
for you. Right now, we could have a final four,
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as I said, of Princeton, Xavier, Florida Atlantic and Yukon
right now. Ucon's got to play again Zaga, So just
think about that, Yukon Organza, Princeton, Xavier, Florida Atlantic and Yukon.
When is the last time we had a Final four
without a team from a Power five conference? Last time
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we had a Final five? I think I just found
the answer. And it's not it's it's it's it's it's
And the reason I found it is because it's not
as difficult as you think. It's a long time ago,
but it's not as difficult as you think. It was
a very famous NCAA championship game. Well you're including right,
in basketball that's known as a power conference. Yes, Big
Eas is powered, but but right but right now you
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are looking at Yukon. Could be in Big East, you
can have Gonzagonad and whatever it is. But you're looking
at the last time we saw a final four without
any teams from one of the power five conferences. This,
this couldn't be since you and I have worked here.
It's at Oh no, no you kidding, No, No, it's
like it's it's longer ago than that. It's forget it
(08:23):
like you like you you are. Let me let me see,
let me tell you you are back probably before you
and I and Harmon were born to find hello, to
find that. So nineteen forties you are, you are back? Wow?
You know, jerk, you you were the guys setting up
(08:43):
things with John Wick all those years ago? What was
World War two? Like? Uh so it's got to be
before then. Uh, yes, before because even remember that one
year where you tap wanted they beat Kentucky, so that
would be a Power conference. Ye, I am looking back
that it is even before that. Wow, it is even
before that. I mean, I don't know where I'm gonna.
(09:05):
I thought I found it, but it wasn't because I'm like, oh,
I forgot about that. So I'm looking back now and
I'm still not finding it. I'm I'm still not finding it.
It's insane, and I am now. I am now back
years and years before we were born. I'm all the
way back to when the Big Eight was the Big seven.
That's how far back I am looking at. I haven't
found it yet. So are you saying maybe never? Um?
(09:29):
Now here, Here's the thing. This was. It was a
pretty This game this year was pretty famous because a
team that won it has never been back to the
tournament ever. But I New York then, Yes, I'm back
in nineteen fifty when it was CCNY, Missouri Valley was
Bradley but North Carolina State, I mean, Southern Conference is
(09:50):
still Power five right turned into Power five months not
it acc then? Not? No no no no, no, they't
We didn't even have the Atlantic coast at that point.
I don't mean the ofference, I mean the Atlantic on
the map. Yeah. Yeah, we were still in the middle
of the country. It was still Kansas, and then it
was a lot of ocean. So I don't think that counts, right,
that doesn't count. I don't think that counts. Um Well,
who was the fourth team? Uh? The fourth team was Baylor,
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who was back And that was when it was a
Southwest conference. That was well we would consider the Big
twelve of a power conference now, so maybe not even then.
So that that's it's I mean, I'm back now. I
went all the way back to the first NCAA tournament.
I have not found it played at Northwestern's Patent gym.
Now if you are if you reached Northwestern, yeah, it
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was a it was a very small gym on the campus.
They eventually built a huge center that had tracks and
just very expansive, an aquatic center, the whole thing. But
there's a small gym that you go in there and
it is the prototypical early gym. You walk through there's
a basketball court and then you go into the weight
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room and it stinks to high hell. No matter what
they do to it. It's all iron, all old, all
a bunch of muscle heads, grunting and screaming at each other.
It's it's the best experience in the world. So the
answer is never, because we would certainly include the old
Southwest Conference with Texas would be a power conference. Sure
so sure. Well, At first of all, I want to
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say that also was until this year the last time
Northwestern was in the tournament because they helped buddy. They
gave them a free thing, the guys. Secondly, I'm sure
Harmon in the in the you know, the thirty years
since you went to school there, they upgraded a little
bit unless you went back. Sometimes. Well, no, I think
that Jim is still there though, Like I think they've
left that alone. Jim, Jim Jim. Now, if you don't
(11:38):
call the Big East, if you don't call the Big
East a Power five conference and you know we're talking
power five, uh, then nineteen eighty five is your answer,
because that was the three Big East team. It was
Saint John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Memphis State, No Big Villanova. Georgetown
was even bigger than it was it was at its biggest. Big. Yeah,
(11:58):
the Big East was big. We're talking about Power five
Conferent Day. We've never had it, Power five nineteen eighty five.
That was it. Unbelievable, unbelieved that. That's that's the insanity
of this of this tournament right now. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Well,
(12:19):
two games left right now in the NCAA Tournament, and
one of them looks like it's gonna be over sometime
very soon. And it looks like it's going to be
the Creton Blue Jays who are going to advance the
Elite eight. They have a huge lead over Princeton right now,
sixty eight to fifty two. Was just about twelve minutes
(12:40):
left to go in the second half. If Creton wins, Okay,
if Creton wins again we talked about this a little
bit last hour, but just think about this now. If
Creton wins, that means San Diego State, Creton, Florida Atlantic,
or Kansas State will be playing for the national championship.
So great, one of those teams will be playing for
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the national championship. Just think about that for a second.
Not not Alabama, No, we're not talking about Arizona or
Baylor or Purdue or Mark No, No, no. One of
those teams. San Diego State, Creighton, FAU and Kansas State.
One of those teams is playing for the national championship
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next Monday night. Yeah, I mean part of it is
we just have to change our thinking and try to
see if this doesn't usher in a new age of
college hoops. Right? Does the world of nil grad transfers
all of these things? Right? And remember some of these
teams benefited from guys sticking around because of the COVID year, Right,
(13:45):
everybody got the extra season tapped in. So you add
all that together and you have a little more of
the chaotic time. We've seen so many high leverage, high
profile coaches step away, most of them either under their
breath or once they've gotten a little bit removed from
(14:05):
things cursing out the current state of college athletics and
where we're at and where that roadmap is safeguards or
shysters creeping around programs and you know, the shady people
as it were. So, I mean, you got all of
that kind of coming into play, and it sets up
a scenario like we have here. Right, Alabama was the
(14:27):
consensus number one. They've been able to ride through all
of the off court drama and terrible circumstances surrounding Brandon Miller.
He comes into the tournament and has the worst tournament ever,
eight of forty one and shooting percentage is the lowest,
you know, when we start getting into thresholds for how
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much he's touched the ball. So it's a different environment
everything you've built up for. It's like, hurry up, I
love you, now change you know, you know what the
this is gonna be, and this is gonna be the
big takeaway from this, right, what does this mean? We
have a year where it's gonna be mainly all Cinderellas,
right where at best you're gonna have a three seed.
(15:11):
You know it is gonna be you know, in the
tournament or to play for the national championship, you know,
all Texas. Texas also is up big over Xavier right
now at halftime forty two twenty five. So it looks
like Texas is going to move in and there a
two seed. But you aren't big at the buzzer too. Yeah,
you're you're getting None of the blue bloods are you know, survived,
you know, Kansas didn't survive Duke didn't survive. You're getting
the even the Johnny Come Lately powers of Houston. You
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know the last few years they didn't survive. Baylor didn't survive. Um,
what this is going to make and I'll guarantee you
this is that if we see a final four, let's
just say it's Creton makes it to the final I
think Creton's better than San Diego State. Let's say Creton
and Texas and Yukon and Kansas State. Right, you have
these teams that were add they were just okay, they
(15:56):
were teams that were you know, they finished you know,
third or fourth in their conference. You are going to
see the argument made in a large way to expand
the tournament because if you can let these teams in
that can be middle of the pack teams in Power
five conferences and they can make these big runs, or
you let more of these mid major type teams in
(16:16):
and they continue to make these runs, maybe we can
let more teams in. Let's just if we're gone, if
the era of hey, the sixty four sixty eight team tournament,
and eventually we're gonna get Duke and Carolina and Kentucky
and Kansas and all the blue Bloods and the teams
you know that you watch all the time if that
era is gone, because I really do think that error
(16:37):
is gone. You have so much more talent spread out
around the country. Nobody stays as long anymore. They all stay,
you know, if you're really good, you stay a year
or two, you move on. You try to make it
to the NBA. You're not going to see these yearly
powers like Cans and like I just think it's a
it's an error whose time has come and gone. Of
the teams at every single year win their Power five
(16:58):
Conference and go deep into the NCAA. I don't think
that that's feasible anymore. So now if you're seeing a
case in a situation where hey, you can anybody can
come in here. We got sixteens beating ones now and
you know two this year. If you're saying anybody can win,
why not expand the tournament? Because if anybody can win,
if sixteens can come in and win and fairly Dickinson
(17:19):
come come in and beat per Due, why can't we
let more? Why can't you let a team like syracusin.
Why couldn't you let Michigan in? Right? Why couldn't you
let some of these other schools in that were they're
a little bit lower in the in the in the
seedings in the Power five Conference, But why can't you
let these other teams in if it's truly anybody's game now,
and that's gonna be the big The big thing coming
(17:40):
out of this is that, well, if we're just gonna
have a whole bunch of chaos and we can't bank
on the blue blood's making it to the end where
we see the the you know, we see the upsets early,
but in the end it's Duke Kentucky or Duke Carolina.
If we can't, if we don't have that, why not
expand the tournament. That's gonna be a big thing. And
I guarantee you they do expand it. We may go
from sixty eight, may see a smaller one like sixty
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eight to seventy two, seventy six, something like that, but
maybe something where those play in nights become bigger nights
and they become big nights for the NCAA tournament in general,
where they're they're just like Thursday and Friday, We're gonna
get those sixteen games on Tuesday in sixteen games on Wednesday,
and then the sixteen Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, and it
(18:24):
becomes an entire week. Because we all want glut we
all like gluttony, we all want to expand stuff. Why
not make it a week like that for college basketball?
And that's what we're going to see because that's to
be the big buy product of this tournament. Well, more
quote play in games, all of those. Sure, I mean
it's more revenue, more opportunity. And in an age where
you've got all this chaos, what do you do the
one product you know that works, go and get more
(18:47):
of it now. Obviously, everybody that loves to watch television
ratings are already wringing their hands over next week. But
I'm looking at from pure basketball, I'm entertained. But the
argument against it, I take you to the famous Pixar
film The Incredibles and the character of Syndrome saying, well,
(19:09):
once everybody's super than no one. Oh look at that
six guys, so Syracuse can get in. Serious, if you
expanded to one hundred, Syracuse might have gotten in because
they were on the first four out of the first
four out of the first four out of the bubble
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teams that were the first four out before the first
four in. So if you got the ninety six, they
might have made it. Well. I mean the first step
is getting acknowledgment and then I mean the lobbying that
will go on. Are you kidding me? At this point
You're gonna have state senators giving stump speeches. You got problems,
you got infrastructure problems, doesn't matter. We got to get
(19:52):
our team in. We need more, especially the state schools
because you need some of that revenue coming back in.
Let's go there. On's fired m cronin yet? Oh stop?
Come on, maybe they're gonna fire the trainer because he
could talk. Gotta listen to the whole show. Welcome in,
new folks, those that have been around a minute can
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out Kick. He just emerged for Darkness Retreat with Lamar Jackson.
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He's gonna tell us. What's gonna happen with Lamar? Right now?
Go add sex dudes? All right, Jason Cole, Jacole, what's
happening buddy? Everybuddy? What was? What was? That was my
go as sex dude dot com dude, they took down Bama.
It's live. It's live drop Friday, so we don't we
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don't plastical drops. We just say them live you make
it is almost April and Aaron Rodgers Stilipacker, how do
you feel about that way? First things first, First things first,
it's ikey, ikey icky, Jordan loves now is only two
double vey Jordan loves zal easy, that's always. Give Lamar
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Jackson a two hundred mill and do you think if
they gave the guy a suitcase full of money that
was quote representing him, that he would have up scotted?
What said? Two hundred million dollars? Ken Ken Francis. I mean,
I know they want to sell their little mobile Jim thing,
but I gotta feeling that guy would have been in
some place where he couldn't have been extradited. Oh bo guitar.
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It was definitely on the on the tickets right there. Yeah,
he in Columbia. Here we come right now, Um yeah,
I mean, I don't know what to make of this.
You know, he as lamar lamar Jackson always does he know,
does some laughing emoji thing to dispel any rumor about
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anything that has to do with anything that he's not
talking about. So who knows what reality is. But the
fact is that you know you're not supposed to. It's
written in the Collective Bargaining Agreement right. Teams are not allowed,
per the Collective Bargaining Agreement to talk to people who
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are not your agent. So it just tells me how
little players understand and know about the process of being
represented that they ever do this, because this is not
the first time has ever happened. The players don't even
know their own rules. Like, that's how poor the nfl
PA does, does explain, because the basics of how this
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is supposed to work, you have to have an agent
represent you. If there's if there's another person representing you,
you can represent yourself. There's nothing, you know, nothing in
the rules against that. But if you have anybody, they
have to be certified. It's just a rule, and the
team is not allowed to talk to anybody who's not
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certified by the NFLPA. You know, here's the thing, Jake
Hole is that. A couple of nights ago he said, boy,
this whole collusion thing with Lamar Jackson, it's somebody's got
at least bring him in for a conversation. It's really weird.
And then this story breaks with Ken Francis and and
Lamar taking care of this with laughing emojis, and I go, oh,
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now I know why Lamar Jackson is not signed. I mean,
this guy's got to take ownership of his career at first,
you know, for he wants a big contract, and I'm
just gonna put laughing emojis on social media when this
is a pretty serious thing. And maybe teams aren't calling
me because I'm an enigma wrapped in a mystery that's
filled with a riddle. I mean that that maybe that's
what it is for him. Well, the simplest thing about
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this is running quarterbacks don't survive in this league. They
just don't. He's played five years, he's been hurt the
last two years, and on top of that, he's not
a great passer. Okay, we've talked about this. He's a
good passer and he's got some abilities. Okay, but The
biggest problem is no quarterback in the history of this
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league has ever survived more than you know, five, six, seven,
eight years. You know, Cam Newton at eight years with
one hundred carries or more. Guys simply don't survive running
that much. And I'm not just talking about Cam Newton.
You know the Michael Vick. You know a lot of
injuries during his career. You know, just you know, last
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four seasons he was a backup. His body was beat up.
But Randall Cunningham another guy. I look at Josh Allen,
He's already had four seasons of a hundred carries. He's
the last four. That's not good. So but at least
Buffalo was smart and they paid him ahead of time.
So if he if his body does break down, at
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least they paid for it already and they got out
from underneath the contract. If he wears down after say
six seven, eight years, Lamar Jackson's looking for a five
year deal. He's played five years already. Does he think
that anybody in the NFL thinks he's making it to
ten years playing the way that he does and throwing
the way that he does. No, So, I mean, all this,
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all this idiocy about the agent, about the pollusion. You know,
do I think that NFL owners don't want to pay
fully guaranteed contracts. Sure, they don't want to pay fully
guaranteed contract Absolutely, they don't want to pay fully guaranteed contracts.
But I also think they want to win, and I
think the teams want to have really great players that
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they can get them, and they can get them at
a reasonable price. If Kirk Cousins got a fully guaranteed contract,
notion in my mind, well, Mark Jackson would get one
if it was a reasonable kind of deal that they
thought he would fulfill. And it's just not. That's not
what's going to happen. Jason Cole our guest here, the
Jason Spitzhe with me, Mike Carmen here Fox Sports or Radio.
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You read him on OutKick, find him on Twitter at
Jason Cole sixty two, and you celebrate the men in
trying in Canton because he helped put him there, or
ever he desperately tried to keep him out. Yeah. I mean,
all those cowboys you let in this year, I mean,
I just don't even know anymore. Do you have a
sneak peak of the twenty person class for next year.
(26:34):
Can you go a sneak peak of that? Yeah, I think,
um it's gonna be headlined um by Zach Wallside, Waynebet,
Wayne Curbet. Okay, good, he was very good. Okay, no,
it's good. But you know, Will Aaron Rodgers with Zach
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Will didn't even make the b YU Hall of Fame
at the point. Oh no, no, no, no no, no, he
was one year starter. Basically think about that. Would he
qualify for the BYU Hall of Fame? Is he really
one of their greatest players all or is he just
a trivia question? Our trivia answer? Um, you know, as
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one of the highest picked you know BYU players of
all time? Which one is it? Does he make the
BYU Hall of Fame? And I say no, he doesn't.
Well we'll watch that. His mom and all of his
mom's girlfriends might make the Hey if they have any clout,
may they may be able to vote him in? Uh
(27:40):
and push that through. Uh Jacoble, you referenced it coming
in Aaron Rodgers another day. Uh. Deeper into March. Now
we've got celebrities saying I did I'll aska with him too.
As you get the Paul brothers involved in all this
fun stuff Um, yeah, it's they're true. They're trustworthy. The
Paul Brothers always trustworthy. Yeah. You know, anything that they say,
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you can take that to the bank. But I'll watch
Logan wrestle though he's a highly athletic individual. But the
longer this drags out, is there any chance in unravels?
And what's Carolina doing? What are they setting up for? Well,
I mean Carolina is setting up for they're gonna take
I think they're taking CJ. Stroud. I mean why, I mean, like,
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I like, everybody likes to put a lot of intrigue
into this, and I get that at the end of
the day, Frank Rice has always we talked about this
last week. Look at Frank richtrack record. He liked the
big quarterbacks. I mean the entire league likes big, strong quarterbacks.
There's nothing new. Bryce Young is a little dude. So
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I think it's gonna be Stroud. You know. Bottom line
is they're taking quarterback there, So I don't think they're
doing anything else. They're certainly not getting involved near Rogers
thing or anything like that. Ye know, this is for
the Jets and for the Jets to screw up, and
you're looking for a team that will screw this up.
(29:09):
Look no further than gangre Oh of course. Oh hey, listen,
disaster lurks around every corner. I'm I'm firm about that.
The Hall of Fame quarterback says, I want to play
for you. Yes, yes, can't realized. Don't make it happens.
We're making it happen. But look, Jay Cole, listen, let
me let me explain something. Let me explain some team
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because you know, listen, listen, let me explain some tea
because I've been covering football for all I know you're
kind of new to the game here. Let me explain something.
What's going on right now? Okay, the Jets have realized.
The Jets have realized they have the leverage because Aaron
Rodgers can't go back to Green Bay. It's worse if
he goes back. Then if the Jets say, okay, we're
moving on to somebody else, so instead of we want
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a first and a second and third, the Jets is saying, yeah,
maybe not, maybe a second and maybe two seconds, maybe
a second and a third because they know the Packers
have overplayed their hand. They've already pushed him out. If
it comes down to it and it gets to a
point where the Jets like, okay, fine, we'll give you
a first round pick. But right now they're saying, yeah, no,
maybe we don't give you a first, maybe a second
and third because we know you can't have him back.
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It's something called negotiating. You know. I'll explain that to
you an email. And if you have to cut, your
inner team negotiates better than the Jets. Nobody. Now, how's
that Darrelle Reva's final contract playing for you Patriots of Yeah,
Patriots Hall of Famer Drell Revas. Hey, it feels pretty
(30:37):
good to still be paying a Hall of Famer. Okay,
not just some guy walking around. Yeah, this guy, this
guy's not just Hall of very good. He's a Hall
of Famer that we decided to pay that money too. Yeah,
after he had already played out his Hall of the
same moments. You know, I can still I can still
remember you, jerk. I can still remember when you came
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on the show with us. I can still remember I
can still remember when you came on the show and
this is exactly what you said. We talked about revs
this season, and you said, just to let you know,
I heard something from somebody I trust and I said,
watch that. Watch Reevs. This year, he didn't really work
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in the offseason like he normally does. Just watch And
I said really, and you said, he told me just
watch and see what happens to Revas. And of course
Revas fell off a cliff that year. I still remember
you telling me that, So I didn't at least have
liked you. You know, three weeks by way, did you
see Revas in the Hall of Fame? You know, knock
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on the door, So did you did you get a
look at that at that? No? No, was that when
Ty Pennington knocked on his door and said, we're here
for a complete homemade and all the fame. Let's let's
just say this. It was Ty Law, Who're not gonna
Kayla is in a lot better shape to be playing
right now and than Durell. Let's just put it that way. Okay, Okay,
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that's all right, Okay, he's looking like a nose guard
right now. So okay, and I appreciate that, okay, as
a as a fellow potential nose guard. Um, but yeah,
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where were we? Where do we? How do we get here?
Because I remember when you told me that was going
far off the flippy right, well I did, and because
this is what you guys do, like Aaron Rodgers. You know,
we'll probably you'll you'll trade for Aaron Rodgers and he'll
probably gain eighty pounds in the off season. And I'm
able to wow because this is what this is what
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happens to the Jets. This is your reality. This is
what you deal with. You get, you get Brett Farve
and all of a sudden, you've got, you know, photos
going everywhere. This is what happens to the Jets. That's
the most notable thing that Brett Farve did for the Jets. Right, Um,
(33:10):
you you get you know, like it's just it's always
a disaster. It's it's your curse, your cursed, your cursed. Yeah,
but once every fifty years we get something good. It's
the cur once every fifteen years, isn't it. That's what
it is. It's the bachelor's curse from from the old
the old bar. Can you tell me is ayahuasca an
(33:31):
appetite stimulant? I mean, if you're telling me that's the case,
I'd be worried. But I don't think it is. I
think it's unlikely. Look, I'll I will, I will back off.
On the eighty pound weight gain thing. Okay, but Aaron
Aaron Rodgers with Steve Survey covering him, that's a match
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made in hell. Okay, just a match made in hell? Okay.
Like the nicest guy in that group is to mean
and here right, Christini is the nicest guy covering the Jets,
and he's still vicious. Let's just put hey, where's Aaron today?
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Oh I'm sorry, I'm Aaron. Aaron's not talking to you
right now because he's on the Pat McAfee show. So
he directed me to the board right here. You can
pull your quotes off at this right here, gonna go. Well,
what what's Francesa gonna do about that? Oh my sleep? Yes,
well that's that's true. Too good. Not even he's not
even on the air anymore, it's not even come. But
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he will come back just to do this. I can't
believe this. I can't believe this, Mikey, look at this.
I don't know how we got him. It will be
it will be fantastic. He will go back on the
air just to just to rip him and Rogers will
just implode. He will just not be able to handle this.
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He will be praying to go back to Green Bay.
He will pray to go back to the cave in
or again somewhere right, it's the Caves of Altamira byte
by Steely Dan and get that get that reference for
you there you go. Oh sure, I'm sure you'll put
the lyrics of the songs up and said of something
piffy about football, which is what normally like tweet. Yeah. Sure,
he'll be singing things that I left my old man
(35:23):
back in Oregon, take me alive, that kind of thing.
There you go, see you Lottle more steely littlemore Steely
Dan for you little. And I could see him say
this that. Um, I could definitely see him start quoting
the lyrics and during his breast conferences, can't she said,
would be a total Aaron Rodger. Oh yeah, as a
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way of trying to diffuse any of the criticisms they takes.
And then all the reporters will just be seeing, They're going,
what's going on here? What's going on? They'll just be
ripping him left and right. It'll be merciless. Follow at
Jason Cole sixty two, that is, at Jason Cole sixty two.
See him on OutKick as well. Jay Cole is always
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but appreciating your time. Man. We'll talk to you later, guys.
Bye Bunny.
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