Hour 2 - Meek Mill, the Patriots, and Lamar Jackson!

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss Lamar Jackson has to know he's not getting a 5-year deal from anyone. What Meek Mill the Patriots and Lamar Jackson have in common, and so much more!

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We at Jason Lockin four on Last Hour with us
Hey Washington Post NFL Insider. He's always great and he
talked about the situation. No one's closer to the Lamar
Jackson story than him. He's the one that started telling
us in September, Look, this is gonna happen. He's gonna
want a trade. He's not gonna want to be here.
The Ravens had all kinds of chances. To sign them

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long term. They haven't done it, and today we get
the information that he makes the trade demand. He made
a trade demand earlier this month, on March second, he
told the Ravens he wanted a trade and in his
social media post makes it sound like his days with
the Ravens are done by saying that he'll always have
a big place in his heart for fans of Baltimore

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Flock Nation, but wherever his career takes me, he'll continue
to be close to your fans and you'll see me again.
This is not a guy coming back, my Carmen. This
is not a guy coming back. This is not a
guy going. Hey, I'm hoping that I can stay, but
you never know. Hey, the things are crazy. We're not sure. No,
this is no matter how far I go or where
my career takes me, I'll always be close to my fans. No,

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he's gone. He's gone. He's not suiting up again. You
can anchise him, you can do whatever you want to.
He's not going to play. So all that's left now
is the trade. When it actually goes down. What do
they call it when you throw up in an eating
concert contest? Right, it's the rest stop Okay, it's just
a reversal. It's a reversal of say it's a yeah,

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that's the guy with the big hat, goes oh, and
we have a reverse a lot to stay reverse reversal here.
And that's kind of where I'm at with this topics,
Like it's every day it's it's a new drama piece
between he and Aaron Rodgers, like what do you make
a decision and stick to it the I ask for
a trade on March second, Well do we do we

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really need that at this point you're in the open market.
Clearly you had some level of communication with the team
where you told them to beat it on no uncertain terms,
which is why we got to this non exclusive tag
and the wishing, wanting, hoping. It's like, yeah, we really
can let you test the market and potentially he still
get you to come back, and if you leave the

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then we get multiple first roup picks and that may
still end up being how this goes if it drags
out beyond the draft, which is always an interesting permutation.
But yeah, the the latest of the post where all
of a sudden, Lamar Jackson got really active on social media.
I can't say that he was not that I've followed
him religiously low these many months, but it seems like

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ever since the Ken Francis debacle of last week, all
of a sudden he wants to tell you everything he's
got on his mind, which makes for great content. It's
just you're making yourself look a little foolish in this prospect,
since nobody's come to the table to knock on your door.
Because that's really what the desperation of all this reeks.
I posted on my Twitter at Swollen Dome the nice

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picture of Billy Crystal flipping cards and when Harry met
Sally right before he starts saying, calm me, pick up
the phone and just calm if somebody plays call me already, Well,
that's why he's doing this. I mean that, that's why
he had to do this, because he knows that I
need to let people know that I'm available for whatever reason,
and and and it's not something that we haven't said

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for months. Dude, you have to have an agent. Yeah, right,
you're mad, you're making it much more difficult than it
needs to be. Or you've got to be realistic in
the process. Because he said part of it. Yeah, because
he said they offered him three for one thirty three.
That's forty two million dollars a year. It's not the
five years you wanted. That's a hell of a lot
of money, and you'd be able to not have to

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go after seed investors for your mobile. Jim thing. Well,
the first thing is is that while and I'm sure
Ken Francis is not happy with the development's going on,
but this is Lamar Jackson tweeting guy uh maybe who knows,
maybe the gym is Solvent Beyonce. I don't know, Ken
Ken Francis is um tweeting for Lamar about that he
knew he needed to do this because maybe he listened

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to the show and we said you got to take
control of your career now. Because this is one of
the reasons why no one's calling. No one knows. You're
a complete and total wild card. Lamar Jackson is a
wild card. Nobody knows. Who do I talk to? Do
I talk to him? Does he have a friend that
I talked to? How does this go? What does he want?
We don't even know. And this is why this hasn't
been the Lamar Jackson's available. Let's all line up and
see if we can convince him to come play, so

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he knows I have to put this out there. So
he puts out there I requested a trade a couple
of weeks ago, and the Ravens haven't helped, right, The
Ravens didn't say anything. The Ravens didn't put it out there,
The Ravens didn't call anybody. So I want you to
know that I'm available, that you can come get me.
I mean, now, is this the best way to do it?
Of course not. He need He should have somebody that's
actually knows how to work situations like this as an

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agent doing it for him and his life would be
so much easier. But he wants to choose the hard way.
This is what I put on him and say, you know,
you're making him much more difficult on yourself than you
need to. So that's why he did that today. Hey,
I want you to know that this is out there
and you can come call me. Still want to do
it my way, And if the Ravens wouldn't make a
phone call or tell anybody I was available, that story
didn't get it out. Somehow for the last two and

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a half weeks, I'm putting it out there today. When
John Harbaugh is right about to meet the media at
the owners meetings at a breakfast. I'm letting people know
that I wanted a trade. So he's trying to take
ownership of this, even though he's not doing it the
best way. At least he's trying to do this. Now.
If he does go, I think the one thing he
has to see right now, no matter what, is that

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no one's going to give him the money he wants.
And maybe Jason Lockingford was right that he would take
less guaranteed from a different team. He just is so
pissed off at the Ravens that I'm gonna make you
give me all this money or I'm gonna go. But
he really has to come off of that more guaranteed
money than Deshaun Watson. He's not gonna get five years.
I think a lot of teams would give him whatever

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he wants for the next three years like that, three one,
thirty three, all guaranteed. I could see that in a
second from another team. Hey, all right, yeah, and we'll
do that for three years. You get into five years,
you get into when he's gonna be thirty years old,
and what kind of shape is he going to be in?
How healthy is he going to be I completely get
why teams are backing away from that because the only

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thing we knew was that he wanted more guaranteed than
Deshaun Watson. And if you're gonna do that and have
the money average out, that's a five year contract and
teams are a little nervous about that. But if he
wanted to go three, you want to throw the three
years one thirty three from another team? Yeah, I think
other teams, there'd be a few of the teams would say, Okay,
we can deal with that. We can do that, and
let's see what we need to give up for Lamar Jacks.

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Let's try not to give up two number one. You
don't want him. Let's make a move now because we
know that him going back there is impossible. And the
more time goes on, the Ravens lose all sorts of
leverage because Lamars just isn't gonna play for him. They
can hit him with the tag if they want to.
Lamar's never going to show up there again. I mean,
you're done. You're never going to see him even close
to anything. And he won't even be wearing Ravens colors

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at any point he might have He's gonna be throwing
all purple things in his wardrobe away. I'm not having
anything purple, not gonna wear it. So now, as long
as he comes down off of that and again having
an agent and letting people know that would be the
right thing. But if he comes down and goes three years,
forty two millions something like that, yeah, then he's gonna
get teams interested, and then you're gonna see a couple

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of teams get into it trying to make a deal
for him. But he's got to come off of that.
And once he lets everybody know that that's a case,
then you're gonna see the market open up. July seventeenth,
the workout a long term extension with the team, or
signed the tag and play the twenty twenty three season.
So this could drag on forever, and unless some team
comes with a huge offer, because what you don't want

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If you're Lamar Jackson right that three four one thirty three,
Ravens might be willing to go significantly higher. And by significantly,
i'm talking percentages not to that two fifty. But say
someone comes in at one seventy five, they might be
okay with one seventy five and it's all been a

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big game of chicken with Lamar and his family and
Ken Francis and whoever sitting at the temple. Because that's
the thing, right Lamar. Lamar has to be at the
table because he doesn't have an agent, which is what
the whole Ken Francis flap was all about. If you're
not if you haven't gone through the certification and acknowledgement
and everything through the NFLPA and certified by the league,

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you don't get a seat at the table. I mean
you could sit there, but you have no No officials
say there. There is a lot of hustle. It's got
to be done, but unfortunately it's it's for this gym.
Ken France is the guy that that's hustling harm I
mean he's he's hustling for the gym. No, no, look
I can't. I can't fault him. But in the end,

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you you look silly if you're a Lamar and look,
he's gonna get a giant bag at the end. Uh
it's just may not be the one he anticipated. Uh
so he'll quote win, especially if it's not. Hey, you
got to go back to Baltimore and play on the
one year non franchise or non exclusive tag and the

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dollars that are lost in that process. But if you're
some of these teams is at the top. And this
is the big extension of this, are you willing to wait? Right?
Indian Apples has the fourth pick? Keep hearing is it?
Oh he'll look good as a cold. We're gonna give
up the fourth pick and a giant bag and all
this uff. Nah, wait till the draft, get your guy

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and then say, hey, you still have a distress property,
We're ready to come in and buy on the low.
There's a couple of different ways to do it, certainly,
I mean there are a couple of different ways to
be able to say, Okay, let let's try this. Let's
try this, let's try this. And I would want to think,
I would expect to think that the Ravens would want
it done before the draft. You know, when when it

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comes down to it, they're gonna want the picks they're
gonna get for this draft, right, and maybe they're gonna
be able to get a quarterback out of it. But
the beauty of it is they have no control at
this point. No they don't, but they would want But
if if Lamar wants a trade and they can work out. Hey,
we have a team that's gonna work out a con
because that's how it's gonna have to go. Is Lamar
is gonna have to basically, if the Ravens won't do anything,
Lamar's gonna have to find a team. But the Ravens

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have to know that if we don't do anything, he's
not gonna come back, right. The Ravens have to know
that at this point that it's not if we just
ignore it, Lamar is gonna play quarterback for us. That's
not how this is gonna go, right, because that's exactly
what they're doing. Like, I don't know if that's their thought,
is that, well, no one's gonna pay him. He's just
gonna come back and play for us. No, that's done.
He's he's not the guy that's gonna put out this

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this dare and play his trump card and then, oh
it didn't work, I'm gonna go back and play for you.
He's never gonna play for you again. And the Ravens
have to know this. So there's got to be some
kind of impetus on their end to want to get
a deal done. And whether it's Lamar finds a trade,
a team willing to give him the contract, and then
they figure out the trade, or it's hey, we're gonna
just make this trade in general because we want to

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give up this pick this year and to pick next
year rather than two first whatever. But they both have
to work with this, and I gotta think they want
to get it done before the draft. I can't see it.
I mean I don't. I don't know that this is
gonna be something where you're gonna see Lamar sitting out
there and then after the draft, Oh, we didn't get
our guy. So now here's one hundred and thirty million
dollars guaranteed. This has got to be a team that's

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gonna go in and say, hey, Lamar's ar guy for
the next three years. We're giving one hundred and thirty million,
we're giving up the picks. We know who we are,
and we're going to go forward with that. I can't
see it happening after the draft because of that. Well,
but it comes down to this is the I mean this,
as cool as it is to see him talking about
requesting a trade or whatever, as soon as we got
to March fifteenth, that didn't matter anymore because that's the

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way this works here. You can go and open bid. Right.
It's why Derek Carr didn't accept the initial terms and
everything with New Orleans, even though that's where he ended up.
He doesn't help the Raiders in the process and doesn't
lose any draft picks for his squad. Likewise, here, I
mean you could have a backdoor deal with the with

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the Colts, or I mean the commanders were protested a
bit too much about their quarterback room and but but
that's what you're doing. You're playing a little bit of
poker behind and scenes. You may be having some conversations
at least in the rooms, not with Lamar just yet.
Otherwise maybe he'd tell us in his litany a post
but to where like, all right, if we could play

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the waiting game, and the waiting game sucks, there's no
question because you have to have plan B, C, and D.
But if you're one of the teams that's drafting high,
you might be able to hold out and play a
game a liar's poker at this point because there haven't
been any offers, right, you would have thought in two
weeks time there would have been some movement, some traction,

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and even without an agent to leak stuff to Schefter,
Rappaport and the locking for in the litany of NFL insiders,
I got Jay Glazer and company that you'd had some
information about a meeting or something else, and instead you
got a bunch of chirping. You don't think discreases the
skids now, because I think what Lamar said discreases the skids. Okay,

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Now I asked for a trade. I really want out.
It's okay to come get me. It's okay to come
get me. If you were nervous before, it's okay to
come get me. Yeah, I think it was okay to
could get him. I think if anything, if you're gonna
go after him now, like now, it might force the
issue where you end up in a trade scenario where
it's not just those picks right, because the Ravens side

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in the end the way the deal has to be constructed.
And still if I'm one of those teams in the top,
do I necessarily like if I wanted that deal, it's
been sitting there for me, hasn't it right? But now
it's it could be a different deal. It's okay. I
don't want to give up two first round picks. What
if we did something different. Let's make a trade and
we'll do something different than this and the Ravens because

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they know they have to move on, he's not going
to come back and play. There's that little bit more
that's out there. It's not just you're gonna give him
all this money and you're giving up two first round picks.
Now that I asked for a trade, Now that might
be something that is out there for Okay, something different,
something I didn't want before. Now there's an alternative to it,
and maybe this is what greases the skids for It
might be more in player assets though, right, so that

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Bundle and save at Progressive dot Com. So today was
a day where I felt like we saw a lot
of messages that that were sent. We had Lamar Jackson
sending the message to the Ravens of I want a trade,
um and I'm letting everybody know I demanded a trade

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a few weeks ago and I'm gonna do it just
as John Harball is sitting down to breakfast at the
owners meetings, like I'm timing it for that perfect So
there we go. Yeah, so there's a message that sent
right Brian Kudakun's GMA the Packers sent the message to
the Packers fan base. Hey guys, this Aaron Rodgers trade
is going to happen, and uh, we're not going to
get a first round pickback for him. Just so you know,

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we're not going to get a He let everybody know today, Hey,
and just want to let you know. We don't don't
go crazy, don't flip out, but the Jets of out
negotiated us. We're not going to get a first round
pickback for er. We don't necessarily need a first round
pick back. Is that he put it, But he's letting
everybody know. Okay, U we're not getting it, So take

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a couple of minutes to be mad, but don't be
that mad because Aaron Rodgers. I tried to call him
all off season. He wouldn't call me back. So what
do you want me to do? Right? He ghosted me? Right?
I could say ghosted for someone who's forty years old?
Can they do they ghost people? Or is that only
you have to be in your twenties to goa he ghost?
He ghosted me? He ghosted me? So I wanted to
make sure the messages were out there, right, And then

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you had the message that Bob Kraft put out for
Bill Belichick. Courtesy of Meek Mill. Okay, the Rappers had
a big relationship with the with the Patriots over the
last couple of years, and Bob Kraft let it be
known today that Meek Mill contacted him, and maybe Meek
Mill is negotiating on behalf of Lamar Jackson. I don't know,

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we don't know who Lamar Jackson's gotten it. You know
that Ken Francis thing didn't work, So let's go to
Meek Mill saying, Hey, why don't you go side Meek
Mill and Bob Kraft. Let it be know that, Hey,
it's a great idea, but that decision is going to
be made by Bill Belichick. Right. You had Jason Locketfad
tell us that that's kind of Bob Craft putting Belichick on. Notice, Hey,

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this guy's out there. I'm okay with giving up whatever
we got to give up to go get Lamar Jackson
because I want to win. I like Lombardi trophies. I
don't like eight and nine seasons. And that's the one
thing that baffles me the most, Mike, is that how
this trade because I feared it for the longest time,
because it makes the most sense. The only thing I

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thought was, well, the Ravens aren't gonna want to trade
into the Patriots. They're not gonna want to restart the
Patriots dynasty. But how the Patriots have not gone forward
at all for Lamar Jackson in the week and a
half that he's been out there baffles me, because the
Patriots have to know that what they have and what
they've been building after Tom Brady left isn't working. Okay,

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you add an okay season from Mac Jones. You squeaked
into the playoffs and clearly you saw that how you
were building the team didn't work. Your personnel decisions have
been bad. They have not worked for the last couple
of years you've been You've been a five hundred team.
And not only that, Boy, I don't know that Belichick's
got the control of the team that he would have

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in the past, because they would never have run that
crazy as later at the end of the Raider Games.
I can you imagine a Belichick team with Brady running
a crazy ladder where Stevenson throws it all the way
back and Myers throws it all the way back and
it gets it picked off and run back for a time.
Who does that for a Belichick team? And all of
this comes to this point that I'm going to make
is that now I really wonder if Bill Belichick has

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lost his fastball and it's time for him to go,
because he's got to know that how I'm building this
team has not worked. And here's a superstar quarterback out there,
and you know that you need a superstar quarterback to
win in the NFL. It's the easiest path you could
try to build around. All you want to say, we
have good running backs, good wide receivers, are good offensive line.
We can get by no, but the best way to

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do it is to build with a superstars. Belichick saw
it for a few years, more than a few years
with Tom Brady. So I get that maybe he wanted
to go and tie Brady when he came out of
the Brady situation, saying I want to try to win
with somebody else. But he's got to see that the
only way he's gonna win is if he goes and
gets a great quarterback. And so how they've not gone

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out and made this happen yet, and how that makes
me think that maybe he's lost his fastball and he's
no longer the coach that he was when he was
a genius winning super Bowls, and it really is time
for the Patriots think maybe it's time for a new voice,
because this is what doesn't make sense. A great player
is out there and there's no interest when the owner
is basically saying, hey, Bill, go get him. Go. It's okay,

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you can make phone calls. Let's go get him, and
still they're not going to get anybody. Really, this is
the biggest red flag I say for Belichick going forward
that maybe it's time and it'll just like a player
who not every player gets to pick how he leaves
a team that sometimes you get pushed out. Ask Aaron
rodger Thorn, he can make the calls all the way through.
Ask Tom Brady who thought he can make the calls

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all the way through. Hey, ask Jim bay Hunt, who
thought he make the calls all the way through. No
matter how you win, when it's time to go, if
people think it's time for you to go, you're not
going to get to make that call. And this is
what I wonder if he's lost his fastball. Yeah, I
think there's a couple of things going on here. Um.
Number one, you know you don't want to air everything
in public, right. That's one of the big deals with

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Gunakunston and the slap fight, with the verbal slap fight
of course, with Aaron Rodgers in terms of how he's
handled his business between McAfee and whatever else and when
wherever else he's appeared and made his statements in the past.
Then you have the Patriots, who are fundamentally just a

(21:38):
tight lipped operation. Now you had a little more chestiness
and chirpiness out of players this past year than ever,
which is a decided change. So you know that you
kind of raise an eyebrow too. You mentioned the lateral play.
Kobie Meyers now a member of the Raiders. By the way,
I'm not I'm not saying I just think it's funny,
that's all. And he he thought it was funny when

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he said yeah, and then they gave me a giant
bag of money to come here. But for Belichick, he
used the line as he should. He's still a member
of the Ravens until he's not, so he's not going
to talk about it. Robert Kraft kind of drifted into
Jerry Jones territory with his commentary today about Meek Mill
and everything else. It's not a whole lot you can do.

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I mean behind the scenes, work the phones, do whatever else.
Belichick's one line that started making the rounds was why
should folks trust you given the last couple of years,
And he just says, twenty five years. Well, it's a
different animal, it's a different league, it's a different structure
that you're playing too, and oh yeah, you don't have
that number twelve guy to help make things go. So yeah,

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it's about adaptation and picking not only the right guys
in on the roster, but the coaching decisions and internally
the different position the coordinator list year that we had
a year ago, real or imagine right, that's what it was.

(23:06):
So yeah, that's it. You know you tell me to
shut up. I'm sorry, No, that would that. That was
Chris brussor trying to jump in there and say something. Uh, look,
all of this has led to the last few years
to this point, right of why are you not going
to get a star quarterback when you can? Why isn't that?
And the the reason why? And it's it happens to

(23:29):
a lot of coaches, and I thought Jim Harball was
at that level with Michigan, but he pulled it out
the last couple of years by finally beating Ohio State
a couple of times and going to the College football Playoff.
Is that Belichick we said wanted to win a certain way, right?
He wanted to win a certain way coming off of
Tom Brady because he wanted to show that I'm the

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I'm the dominant force here and I'm the guy responsible
for the Patriots dynasty. It's not Tom, it's me, right,
And think about the team he's tried to assemble, right,
he tried to assemble a good stable of running backs,
um a cachet of number two and number three wide receivers,
a good offensive line, and opportunistic defense, all of the

(24:11):
all of these things to try to win. How he
wants to win and how how he feels it. Hey,
I want to show you I can win this way.
And this is when you know when I say and
it's it's weird to think about this, But if this
is how he's sticking to it, then the game has
passed him by and and and the way he thinks
he can still win is no longer a way to

(24:31):
win in the National Football League, Right, you tell me
a team that's gonna ride defense and a strong running
game to a big time championship year after year. Doesn't
happen that way doesn't happen. Look who's Look who's winning
super Bowls. Mahomes is winning super Bowls and Mahomes and
every other super Bowl and and he's winning. Uh, it's
it's the teams that have the big quarterbacks. You can say, well,

(24:53):
Matthew said Matthew Stafford forty for forty touchdowns when they
won the Super Bowl. I was a loaded team with
with really good wide sievers in the best wide receiver
in the game and Cooper Cup This is how you win.
And Belichick trying to win this way. It's like, okay, man,
the game's passed you by. He's like Alec Baldwin in
the cooler where it's like, hey, oh this this casino
is making seven million dollars or what are you worried

(25:14):
about it? Yeah, but it should be making thirty forty million.
We have all these new ron Livingston right, he had
all these new ideas, copy we could do this this. No,
I'm resistant. I'm resistant. Hey, Vegas has passed you by,
and I wonder if that's the king you know why
is Belichick lost his fastball? Why is he because the
game has passed and by and I want to win
a certain way and I just can't do You know,
I still think I can do it. Meanwhile, you can't

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do it anymore. And that's why the Patriots is stuck
where they're stuck. But a lot of what we as
we've watched this squad for years, you had great success
with guys who fit the system that you built, right,
you interchangeable guys and not to rank them in any
specific order. When you go with between Edelman and Welker

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a Mendola for a while, the only guy that was
consistently the special receiver was Gronkowski when he was available
right Otherwise it was interchangeable. Right now, I think Bill
Belichick's favorite guy on his roster as Romandre Stevenson. Fantastic
running back Damian Harris is gone, So there goes your
goal line guy. And they've taken shots to try to

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elevate things. Right. Remember and all the money they spent
on Nelson Agalore or John U. Smith when he said, hey,
I really liked working with Jonah. That's great. He didn't
really perform for you too much. Right, Hunter Henry pretty
good red zone threat, but between the twenties would be
disappeared and oftentimes he was hurt. So you've spent money.

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You've just spent it badly that evaluation process, because it
takes a little bit of luck right the green thumb
as it were, and someone to make it make average
players that much better. And at the quarterback position, they
haven't had it, So it might be covetous of and
trying to get Lamar Jackson in there. Remember, these two

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teams have a lot of history and beef, so orchestrating
a trade there might also be difficult, and they're trying
to be careful I would guess of not being forced
to overpay, whatever that means in this context. Yeah, I
get that part of it. But at the same time,
you want to be decisive and go out and say,

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this is a guy that could bring us to the
super Bowl. So I mean, how careful do we need
to be? When should we be? When it's this is
a guy that we really think is a missing book.
He's for us, He's maybe Bill Belichick just hasn't bothered
to tell Robert Kraft of his plans because his answer
on Lamar was I can't talk about him. He's on
another team, which he is, right, he's available to be

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traded for. And with the non exclusive, I guess maybe
that changes up the letter of the law on that.
But Belichick's not going to give his hands. He's gonna
smile at you and just kind of nod a little
bit and wait for you to ask the follow up
question because you're nervous. So this is where that first
day I expected the Patriots have some kind of offer
that they couldn't match, that they're gonna give him some

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kind of money that the Ravens couldn't match. And here's
the two first rount picks and I have Lamar Jackson.
That that's how the Patriots normally, that's how cold blood
I thought they would wind up doing things that first day.
It would be, Hey, the Ravens can't match this offer,
and so now we have to we're gonna lose them,
and the Patriots have them, and okay, it's it's kind
of what we have really and the fact that we're

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still sitting here almost two weeks later, and ah, you know,
maybe it's mac Jones, maybe it's a who knows. I
really I want that's a game just passed them by. Man.
I really that's that's really something you're putting them out
to pasture. You're saying it's the age of Salah. Be
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Got more NFL coming up in a few minutes, but
the after effects and the aftershocks of San Diego State

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Craton and the foul call made in the final seconds
that helped give San Diego State a fifty seven fifty
six win still being felt, and so much conversation spent
on the foul. Tremel goes in for a layup with
the game tide and he gets a foul call, even
though the grab was from behind. His shot would have

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been short, but the whistle is blown San Diego State.
He makes one of two free throws and Nat puts
the Aztecs in the Final four. There's a lot of
comparisons of this to the call at the end of
the Super Bowl in the NFL the last couple of
years where you had the past interference on the Bengals
and then you had the holding penalty on the Eagles
that helped give the Super Bowl this year to the

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Chiefs and last year to the Rams. This call I
don't have as much of a problem with because Trammel
sells the call right and and that's a skill that
really good players have. And if you blow the whistle
because the player sells you on the call, okay, I
get it because you see the left hand goes in

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and pushes him and he lands and he like kind
of leaps out and falls to the side, and the
whistle gets blown because of it. Even though it didn't
affect the play. His shot was going to be short,
it was. I still have less problem with that because
getting a call as a skill. It's not Juju Smith
Shuster just trying to run away and a grab and
I'm running. I'm running and here's a grat that didn't

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really affect play. This was I'm going in for the layup,
I feel the contact on my side, and I'm gonna
sell this call to try to get to the free
throw line. So that's a skill and if you fall
for it, you fall for it. But that that goes
that falls under the category of this is part of
the offensive play that Daria Tremmell tries to make. Here. Man,
if I'm not gonna make it, I'm gonna get to
the free throw line. And he got the call. You

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could be mad at the call, but this was where hey,
he made the call happen. So I have less of
an issue with that they do with the Super Bowl. Yeah,
I think. Look, I didn't have a problem with the
Super Bowl one either, And yes, we get the benefit
of still shots, supprter film and all of the close
ups that people want to do, which I appreciate. It's

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like clearly the hand on the hip. I mean you
watch it. You coach softball, you've coached soccer. I mean
how many times you talk to your kids, right, You
gotta sell something right. Catcher's got to sell a pitch
and frame it right. In a soccer game, maybe you
get bumped and you fall a little bit more egregiously,
you know a ball that off a goal kick or
something that's coming downs like oh she got me in

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the back. You know that kind of thing, or you
know that that's what you have here, and yeah, you
made the call in real time. It's not an easy gig.
This goes back to what we were just talking about
with disager. You want it to be consistent, and unfortunately
you have that fragment the population, both as loudmouths like

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us and just the general fans and certainly the aggrieved
fans of the losing squad. They're gonna be like, you
can't call that in the final thirty seconds or minute
or whatever. And I go back to the same point
of all right, can we come up with the universal
when a call matters? Well, you know, you say, you
know what I mean, like in football and in basketball.

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This is what I really but this is what I
really am am at issue with, is that all of
these plays, right, they didn't call earlier in the game,
but they call them in the last couple of minutes.
So I understand the strategy of wait, so you're letting
it go the whole game, but then you call it
at the very end. Especial going back to the Super Bowl,
you let that clutching and grabbing goal game and then

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you call at the end. Why Because officials know they're
going to get graded and get looked at more closely
in calls they make or don't make in the final
couple minutes of games, because those are the ones that
get scrutinized the most. And all these referees they want
to keep their gigs. They want to referee Find four games,
we want to referee Super Bowls, all of this stuff,
and they know, hey, I better blow the whistle here

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because if I don't, I might get yelled at. I
might be seen as a referee that is not going
to make the calls when he has to. So they
blow the whistle there, but they're not going to do
it earlier in the game. Which that's what I have
an issue with, is that if you want to make
it a consistent way, and you said, well, we were
calling that grab the entire game. We're calling it now. Okay,
I get it, But just the fact that you know
the referees are cognizant of I want to make sure

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I blow the whistle more at the end because I'm
going to get grated on it more. You look at
those three impacts impacted plays I told you about. That's
exactly why officials know I'm going to get called if
I don't throw this flag on the Bengals for past interference.
I might wind up getting demoted, not being able to
referee a game, like the same thing with the Super Bowl,
the same thing with the Final Four. Here, I don't

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call this foul, which is a foul, boy, I don't
know if I'm gonna get to referee again. So that's
my issue is that now I'm hyper aware of the
fouls at the end where you've allowed the players to
play one way the whole game, and now the end
you don't allowed to do it. So that's why I'd
rather go back and say, make that call the whole game.
Then make that call the whole believing if you're gonna
call it that way at the end, make that call
the whole game. Don't just do it at the end

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because you're worried about how it's going to see if
you don't blow the whistle when you should. Yeah, but
see now you say that, and we'll have thirty seven
penalties Exactly. We're already at the point where people are
too many penalties. What do we go into the Super
Bowl gonna? I don't know. Crew crew chief was his
squad had over one point three penalties more per game called.

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And now you got the All Star crew and nobody
knows what the other guy does. And that's a whole
other topic for debate. That should be part of these
UH committee discussions when you get to the owner owner's meeting.
But that's a whole other thing as related to this. Yeah,
if they're gonna call it consistently, then we we defeat
everything that Rob Manford's been fighting for on the baseball

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