April 15, 2023 • 48 mins
Jason Smith and Steve DeSaegher filling in for Mike Harmon discuss the NBA Playoff Madness while giving you the teams to keep your eyes on, the future quarterback changes for next season in the NFL, and long time friends of the show Ric Bucher and Jason Cole joins the guys!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the best of The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Greetings, Welcome inside The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon.
Steve de Sega in for Harmon tonight. Hey, Steve, it's
a live drop Friday, as it always is. Hey, Happy
Aaron Rodgers Eve, because it could be tomorrow with Aaron
Rodgers the next. It doesn't matter. Live every day like
it's Aaron Rodgers Eve. I'm gonna start tagging my emails
(00:51):
with that and live every day like it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
E says, we haven't been sick enough of this story already.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I don't know every day, could happen to row, could
happen to morow, could have I'm gonna really am gonna
do that. I'm gonna do it. But then like, I
don't know how professional would my emails be if I
had to actually write one, you know, a professional email
to somebody and they live every day like that's Aaron
Rodgers e what is that? Even?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No time like the present?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That kind of you know what, that's one thing, you know,
you know what grinds my gears, Dave. You know, I
always when people tag their email, I'm like, don't don't
give me some inspirational saying.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, you don't want to be inspired?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I didn't, you know, listen, listen, Tony Robbins.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Why do I want to live a better line?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm not emailing you for your advice on life, just
you know, just just just write on my email back,
do you? Okay? Great? But you know, do you give
me something at the end about hey, make sure the
one percent of your life that you live every day
is the ninety nine percent of everybody. I'm like, what
is don't do that? Don't do that for me. Don't
just just send me an email and that's it. Don't
don't tag it for me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So you are not personally keeping Hallmark in business.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, although we do keep well, that is incorrect because
there is a big run. We always have a big
run of Hallmark Christmas movies, the big holiday Halliday movies.
Oh sure, yeah, they are a big deal. They're becoming
a bigger deal in our house as more actors and
actresses that we bet Pam and I loved in the
nineties now are only acting in Hallmark movies. So that's
(02:13):
our only place to see them.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, I mean, you can't go wrong with Dana y mckeller.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's it. I can't get Gallo Grady. Oh she's in
this movie. Okay, great, Yeah, Galo Grady was so great.
N White Beatie Blue, I'll get it right. This is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Has dannic mckeller made a bad Hallmark movie?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You're talking about Danna Keller. She's one of like the
three wise men of Hallmark Channel with her and Lacey
Shabert exactly, And who else was it? It was her,
Lacy Shabert. And we need more Kim Fields. Can I
put in a vote for Kim Field?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can we have a Facts of Life reunion Bingo?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Didn't we have some TV movie of theirs where all
four wound up making an appearance By the end of it,
Lisa welcherl all.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Of them, really did. I did not know that. I
gotta look for that.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think it was a Kim Fields movie.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was okay, all right, very good, I mean surprising
that in the end, you know, Okay, who's.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Doing that again? Obviously we would vote for that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Who's going to be the most famous out of all
of it? It's gonna be Kim Fields. Oh but she's
gonna be really really famous.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
This a wel chair has her own show on weekends.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You'll be happy to be in the movies? Yeah, no,
we look. Hey, Nancy McKean was my favorite. I mean,
like I wanted to marry Nancy McKeen when when I was.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I believe she only appeared on the phone.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh really movie, let's see.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
She doesn't make a lot of appearances, as you may know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, I actually met her once in a really
weird you want to hear you want to hear a
really good story before you get Wait a second, it
was weird. Shocker, Yes, it was weird.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You met one of the actresses from facts?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, listen, I had the biggest crush on Nancy McKean
for the longest time, Like she was it like she
was I want to marry Nan.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Unlike anybody else from New York.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I love Nancy McKean. Right, Oh my god, Nancy McKean
was it. I loved her little larder. So this is
maybe that is a long time ago. This is maybe
about I would say about fifteen years ago. Fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The show was on in the eighties, right, yeah, oh, the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Show was eighties, early nineties. You know, they moved on,
they moved into peak skill and then you know, Chloris
Leachman came on the show, and then they brought in Mikyler.
Let's say, we don't we get the filmography of the
Facts of Life. It's fine, you know. George Clooney was
there for a little bit. No, no, no, So we
were at the Grove here in Los Angeles, which is
like a big shopping area, and then during the holidays,
(04:19):
they liked the Christmas tree.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's a guy who spent a billion dollars running for
mayor and didn't win. He owns the grove.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, so it's kind of like, you know, and they
liked the Christmas tree and there's a special on in
Elliot It's really like, hey, can we do something kind
of like the Rockefellow Center in New York. Yeah, fine,
they do that. So they like the tree. So this
is about fifteen years ago, and we were there for
the holidays and we had friends come out and we said, hey,
let's go spend the afternoon at the Grove. It's a
pretty cool shopping place where left lunch. Everything was great.
(04:46):
So we go out there and there's an area where
in the middle of the grove, which is like all
these shopping areas surrounding like like a big center, where
there's grass and there's cement and everything, and it's kind
of like a little park. And so we're with our
friends and they have to kids, and their kids are
playing in the grass and we're watching them and they're playing.
Other kids are running around to playing, and they start
(05:07):
playing with this one girl and they're playing for a
few minutes. It's kind of fun. Oh that's kind of fun. Literally,
they're running, they're playing tag, they're chasing each other. And
so then oh, you know, we're watching going Okay, we're
leaving a couple minutes, okay, five minutes, okay, great, five
minutes and then you know, walking over to get her daughter,
I look over and it's Nancy McKeon, and I go,
I go, oh, hi, She was hi, Yeah, you're you're
(05:28):
playing your your kids are playing with my daughters. Oh
it's not my kids, it's sir. But that that's great.
She goes, oh, yeah, what are their names? And I
tell them their names? And I said what your daughter's names?
Tells me your daughter's names, like, oh that that's great,
that's great, and she goes, okay, yeah, great, Hey, nice
meeting you. Happy holidays. I said, okay, great, and she
turned away. I wanted to go, I've loved you for
so long.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They weren't ruined it. You were good so far. Don't
ruin it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
My wife is right here. But I love you. I
loved you longer than I've loved her since nineteen eighty five. Steve,
don't think for one second he didn't really do that.
I really wanted to do that. I absolutely, I so
wanted to do that. But she was really nice. I
was like, that was it? Like if I was single,
Oh man, the kid would have had game. But you know,
(06:11):
where were you hiding in the bushes? I was no.
It was everything was very above board. Everything was completely
above board. It was one hundred percent. No no, No, everything
was legit. Everything was legit. And she was very nice. Okay,
great night to me.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was like, she was so nice because you didn't
yell after her like you were wanting to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, this is where God said, watch me mess with
a Smith kid. Watch this. I would have put that,
have put him in the same place as Nancy McKeon.
But now he's been married for a while and hey
watch this, watch this, let's see what happens here. And
then everybody's just laughing, going look at the look on
his face when Nancy McKeon walks away. Ah, that was
so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That was hilarious. Lady to Philip McKeon as she does.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes, yes, the late Philip McKean. What about Jack McKean,
trader Jack McKeon, I don't think so. He would have
traded everybody. He would have traded everybody in his family
and then let a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
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Slash match well a big night in the NBA. The
final play in game is underway, Minnesota leading Oklahoma City
(07:26):
sixteen to twelve. This time it counts no punches have
been thrown yet, but it is early, so we'll keep
an eye on that. But meanwhile, you're talking within the
team with it well or outside. Maybe they're graduating outside
the team now they we've punched within the team earlier.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now we're outside the team. Not that smart, it's good,
hey why not? Or stupid?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Hey, if the cameras aren't on us, maybe we will.
But earlier tonight, a back and forth battle that was
a one point game with like a minute a half
left to go, but the Heat pull away to beat
the Bulls one two ninety one. The Heat move on
to the playoffs. Are gonna be everybody's favorite darling watch
the Heat. They're gonna beat the Bucks. All this blah
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Somebody's saying that.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm sure, because look, everybody, I like the Heat going
into the playoffs. I don't like them now that they're
playing the Bucks. I would rather have them play the Celtics,
because the Celtics just look like they've become a two
person team. In the last couple of months, they were
terrific and now it's ooh, it's really just Tatum and
Brown and Brown cut his hand because ooh, ooh, that's
really different. So they're not quite the Celtics, aren't this
this two seed streaming into the playoffs kind of like
(08:28):
the Grizzlies are. But everybody's gonna be gonna be all
over the heat now the heat. And I get it
because Jimmy Butler, we've seen him in the playoffs before,
and Tyler Hero had a big night and you know,
we watch Struss at thirty one points. This was awesome.
I mean from the start, I mean plus twenty seven
leading the team. I was seven out of twelve from
three point RNs.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Like just in the first half, six of eight from
long distance. He's the reason they weren't blown out early.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
No, it's it's insane. It's like, Okay, if you're the Bulls,
you're going if we lose the Butler, fine, we lose
the Hero, that's fine, But we lose truths. Who's got
thirty one but this is where I want to go
for a couple minutes here, because this is something that
it defies logic and it's probably it's one of the
biggest mysteries in the NBA, and it's I don't know
how the Bulls aren't better. I don't know how they're
(09:17):
this bad. I don't know how they're a five hundred
team that can't put it together. When you have a
big three of Levigne and Vussovich and DeRozan who can
all fill it up. These should be just with the
three of them, they should be winning fifty some odd
games during the regular season and be a top three
to four seed. Then when you talk about the guys
(09:39):
you have coming off the bench, Kobe White's been a
pretty effective point guard the last couple of years, on
kind of a down year this year, but he'd have
a big night tonight. And Andre Drummond is very serviceable, not
quite the Andre Drummond of a couple of years ago.
But then you throw in guys like Alex Caruso, who
has won a championship and comes up with big plays
now and again, and Patrick Beverley playing pat at zero
(09:59):
points tonight. Coach by Billy Donovan, who is one of
the best coaches in the NBA and college basketball. How
do they not win? How does this team not They
have all the ingredients to win. You need star players.
We got star players.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They essentially have three twenty point a game scorers.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it makes absolutely zero sense. As zero sense. You
have three stars, you have a decent enough role players
behind you, not unbelievable role players, but enough in the NBA,
like I said, to win over fifty games in a season,
and you have a really good coach. You have a
coach been to the NBA Finals. He's been able to
manage egos for the years he was in Oklahoma City,
(10:36):
Billy Donovan's And this is where the Bulls are. You know,
they had a decent year last year, but they still
only won forty six games and they were barely in
the playoffs. Now, I don't understand how the balls aren't better.
I really don't. It baffles me to the point where
I think they should just blow it up now, because
if you can't win with what you have here and
you have everything there, and how you're underachieving is an
absolute mystery because it makes no sense and it's inexcusable and.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Play low scoring games. They have the three scorers we
mentioned keep the opponent under one hundred a lot opponent,
they can keep the shooting down a lot. I agree
they should be. I mean, they weren't even a five
hundred team this year. They won a game to get
here tonight to play at Miami, and that made them
what forty one and forty two going into this evening? Ridiculous.
(11:20):
And you know who's going home?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Jason, Who's going home? Patrick Bevery? He went from just
yesterday he was playing Pat and now it's oh, Pat
Beverly's going home. Twenty seven minutes, no points, four found
joy Cancun dogoo man, Pat bev. But he did kind
of get his round. Look, he didn't care about this.
(11:41):
He just wanted to get revenge on the Lakers at
the end of the season and not working out for him,
but working out. The Lakers play on Sunday. That doesn't matter,
but that but that was the end of Pat Beverly
just wanted to end their season. He didn't go beyond that.
He just wanted to make sure he has no end
of their season. They're back, The Lakers are still back.
Because this is this is it's not even quite the Knicks.
(12:04):
Where the Knicks have been. Look the Knicks and the
Bulls being the teams they've been the last ten to
fifteen years, royalty teams in the NBA, the heritage teams
that that when they're better, the NBA is better. When
the Knicks stunk for so long, it was Okay, here's
complete mismanagement. The Stars aren't really great stars, they don't
play well together, the head coaching situation now. But the
Bulls have all the ingredients. They got three stars. They
(12:26):
got DeMar DeRozan, who suddenly is whoa this guy become
an MVP candidate in his thirties. Look at this, and
Vucevic is really good. And Lavigne is someone who, hey,
we get our hands on him. He's the next great
superstar in the game. He can do everything. And still
they can't win.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Okay, I can tails because I just looked up their
season stats regular season Chicago as a team forty nine
percent shooting and from the foul line eighty one percent shooting.
How how are you not even at the five hundred
mark for the season.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I really, it's a what's that? What's the what's the
old say?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The Stars played it's not like they all missed twenty games.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, no, no, no, this is not where all I'm
missing time and I'm coming in here and up and back.
And we got a couple of guys in and we
have a couple of guys out. No, they were, they've been,
they've had everything. That's what I mean, Steve. It's a mystery.
It's a complete and tonal mystery.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And it's another l and they're out. And the Miami
Heat will face number one Milwaukee starting Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That's inexcusable for the bull.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
By the way, most of the Eastern teams start Saturday.
I believe some team from New York has a game
this weekend as well, starting a best of seven.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, they do have that. But speaking of teams from
New York, I'm glad you brought this up because about
ten minutes I want to say, I want to say
about twenty minutes ago, I want to kiss you. I
watched Francisco Lindor have a ridiculously awful at bat in
the first inning. O Ye wrote them off. I sometimes,
and I tweeted out, sometimes I watch Francisco Lindor bat
(13:53):
and I go, what the hell was he trying to
do in that at bat. I don't understand with a
two to zero count, how he winds up. I don't
get it, don't get it. And then I just watch
him now ten seconds ago. Grand Slam game over. It
is against the A's, so but it's still care it
still counts for four runs six nothing. Mets lead the
A's right now over six in the second and at
(14:15):
the top of the line.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm not kidding, it's the top of the second. This
game is over. You agree with me?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, you got ghost Fork in. Come on, you got
Senga in.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's right. And then the a starting pitcher his The
IRA's up near fifteen now for the seas, and the
A's are going to be three and eleven after tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Okay, I bet this, Steve, I'll I bet you can
spend a long time come back here, not against the
win or to score a run against let me if
you're watching on YouTube TV, though not against the ghost Fork.
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of talent, this kind of its unbelievdopfest.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
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Author author of now eight books. You can fall him
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loves Owizy. He is a Hall of Very Good voter.
And now I say eight books because his latest book
has just come out and it's called review Say it Hey,
(15:37):
review say the book is very good. The reviews say
it's very good. It's not Hall of Fame, it's but
it's very good. The book is curious George votes for
the Hall of Fame. It is Jason Cole, Jay, what
a great book, man, that's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Curious George. Yeah, I'm gonna be on.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Written by the man with the yellow hat.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Uh No, the book and you're going to think I'm
lying to you. The book is. The book is actually
has a very fun title and it is called shut up.
Your kid is not that great. It's got a big
time vibe of garnering a few laughs at every child prodigies,
overly involved parents expense.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
The real title. You're not kidding around.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
No, this is it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It's called shut up.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, no, no, this is this is Oh it's straight out
of my mind, which is disturbed and a little blunt.
But yes, yeah, it's not that good. I'm just you know,
it's it's a reaction after forty something years of not
only covering sports and entertainment generally, but also having coached
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plenty of youth sports myself and having to deal with parents,
including one situation where the parent actually came on the
field during the middle of a little league game to
ask me a question, Wow, and question about something I
was doing, And I told him you have to get
off the field.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Jack.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Now, I thought you were going to say Jason.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And that was Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Was Jack Nicholson. It was one of his eleven illegitimate children, Wow,
who allegedly allegedly allegedly Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It would have been less should have said you can't
have a whole team with Nick Cannon.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It was actually Jack Elway who did that and came out.
He had a listen, your son, it's not that good.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
No, no, don't never do that to jack Elway. Don't
do that to jack Alway. Because Jack Elway is one
of my favorite examples of a great parent, because this
is the guy who never interfered. He never talked to
his kids coaches, in.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Fact, except when his kids coach, because he.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Didn't coach his kid number one and he only coached
John one time, and that was in a shrine game.
So I have great admiration for Jack Elway as a
as a parent and and model. People should model themselves
after him. But besides that, this is like some funny
stories about like Drew Henson's dad standing on an overpass
(18:11):
looking at Michigan practice back in the day after they
banned after Lloyd Carr. Lloyd Carr banned him from watching
practice because he used to show up and stand on
the practice field and watch everything and everybody's Like Lloyd
Carr was eventually like, we can't have parents at practice.
You have to you have to leave.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Dan absolutely Jared, but he was a college quarterback and
a college assistant.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
He was, but he needed to keep a distance. Like
Dan Henson basically micromanaged the hell out of Drew Henson's
Henson's career and arguably undermined his son's career. I would
say that's one of the problem, one of the big
problems that Drew Henson had is his dad just couldn't
(18:58):
stop interfering, including like becoming, you know, getting hired by
his agent to be in, you know, an assistant in
the whole process. But be that as it may. Like,
there's just this funny story about how Lloyd Carr had
to like ask Dan Henson stop attending practice so instead
when Michigan used to have its practice field, you know,
(19:21):
it was an open air practice field, right, and there
was an overpass that ran by it. He would go
up and park on the overpass and watch practice from
the overpass.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Was there any right.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
A great binocular?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
U USC used to send security people into the parking
garage which overlooked their practice field, probably not looking for parents,
probably looking for a parson.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
They were looking for spies. But yeah, but occasionally you
get you get apparently.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Do you think that Drew Henson with the football baseball
I don't want to. I don't want to say he
would have been John Elway. But it's a guy who
could be who could have been drafted in both.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, he was drafted him and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Therefore had a choice of professions and did, as I recall,
play minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Right, Yeah, the funniest story about that. Albert Breer tells
a great story about this. So, you know, as a
freshman or as a sophomore, I can't remember which one
it was, Drew Henson goes into Columbus and beats Ohio State, right,
and then he signs with the Yankees and works his
(20:27):
way through the miners and eventually ends up in there
either Double A or Triple A affiliate, which was in Columbus, Ohio. So,
like Albert Breer told me this story about he and
his buddies used to go day drink when they were
undergrads at Ohio State, and they go to the minor
league games and they would boo Drew Henson at home. Wow,
(20:54):
and which you know, it's sort of funny that. Yeah,
like you're an Ohio State student and you're booing one
of the hometown guys for the minor league team. Yeah,
there's this. But later years later, I like found this
quote from Drew Henson about how hard it was to
play home games in the mind leagues in Columbus and
how much it got on his nerves. And I was like,
(21:14):
wait a second, you let Albert Breer get in your head. Really?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Sure enough, he batted under two forty.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
It was a strikeout machine. Like again through Henson's case,
he was at one point called the next John Elway. Right,
he was such a superstar.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
He was.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
In fact, his freshman year he was on the cover
of Sports Illustrated. That cover. That cover of Sports Illustrated
appeared on the same day. It's dated the same day.
I think of Tom Brady's either twentieth or twenty first
birthday when he was a junior at Michigan. So like
everybody expected, Henson was just going to come in and yeah,
(21:57):
that Brady gual, He'll just have to get out of there.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yet some people don't don't realize at Michigan. Tell people
about the quarterback situation. We all know Tom Brady, they
may not know how little he was starting for a
while at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Even started his first two years. I mean he was
beaten up by Brian Greasy. That was after that was
after a red shirt year, so his red shirt. Sophomore
year he was beaten up by Brian Greasy, and then
the junior year he had to split time with Henson,
who was a freshman because Lloyd Carr had promised Henson's
(22:32):
dad that he would play, you know, at least part time.
And there is a great quote he got from somebody
who like Drew Henson's dad, Dan Henson said, at one
point to a bunch of parents, this is really hard
Andrew to be splitting time with Tom.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You want a great question about Brady about this situation,
I am. I now realized I am like five thousand
dollars poorer than I could be because I went to Syracuse,
Michigan in ninety Brady's first start at home McNabb That
was a McNab one shoe game, right, And I'm like,
(23:15):
we're gonna get killed in this game. But you know,
I went to Syracuse, my wife went to Michigan. It
was a whole big thing with our family. I'm there
in Syracuse, gear and and it's Brady's first start at
home and Syricus gets out seven to nothing, fourteen twenty
one nothing. I'm like, we're kicking your hass, right, But
Brady actually threw a touchdown. Okay, that's fine. He comes
(23:37):
out like midway through the third quarter. Drew Henson comes in,
throws a couple of touchdowns. Syracuse won like thirty eight
to twenty one something like that. But that was Tom
Brady's first touchdown pass for Michigan. I don't know where
the tickets of that game are, but they're going on
eBay right now for like five thousand dollars. And I'm like, oh,
not save that tickets though, absolutely, And it was on
payper tickets like I had them.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
My only Dan Henson's story is when he was on
The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson actually went up into the
seats to help play Stump the Band. He would pick
people that were actually in attendance at the Tonight and
he picked Dan Henson to play Stump the Band. What
I'm not kidding. I remember the.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Episode that's in Jason Cole's next book. That's going to
be his next book, right there, stories you missed the
first time around?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, so Dan Hanson was the prototype parents. Oh boy,
shut up, your kid's not that good. He just should
have backed off and let his kids play. And there
is there is a cool introduction to this book by
Tom Brady Sr.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Wow, there we go. Then it's on Jason Cole's page.
Check it out, and the link is on his Twitter
on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
There you go go check it, go find it on Amazon.
It's a nice, easy read. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Remember the book is very good. We've been told it
was very The book is very.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Good, very good. It's almost all of very good work.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, you're the title is better than very great. I mean,
don't think it's like all time very good.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's chuck holly good.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah. Hey, by the way, yeah, it's fantastic. And by
the way, it's another week and Aaron Rodgers is still
not a Jet exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Just deal with that, Okay, it's okay. It's Aaron Rodgers.
Every night is Aaron Rodgers. Eve, I wake up the
next day and he could wind up being a Jet.
I'm gonna celebrate this all the way until the draft.
It's happening. It's gonna happen. It just hasn't happened.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
What Jared Douglas says, Yeah, what choice did he have?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, hey, everybody's making fun of the Jets now, but
you just watch how Lamar Jackson's not gonna go back
to the Ravens. Gonna say, I just wanted to get
Odell paid. My buddy's getting fifteen million a year. I'm
still leaving to go someplace else.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Classic stuff. Quarterback manipulation at its best right here. It's
all going on in the NFL these weeks. There you go,
all right?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So, hey, speaking of quarterback manipulation, right we're talking about
the beginning of the draft. We had conversation about that
this week. We had the chefter of weren't last night that? Hey,
Bryce Young visiting the Texans is a waste of time.
When it comes down to it, who's going to go
number one?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
It'll be Bryce Young. I mean, like I think Levis
has got too many holes in his game, same thing
with CJ. Stroud. Bryce Young has has played and played
in a pro style offense basically since high school. I mean,
if you go out and check out the kind of
system they played at modern day Yeah, So, I mean
(26:28):
he's got a ton of rows and you know, there's
a great book on him. You know what kind of
player he is. And part of this is mitigating risk. Now,
you can play the risk game, and if you want
to play the risk game, you know, Anthony Richardson is
I mean, he's an unicorn, like he's he could be unbelievable.
(26:50):
But do you have a plan? Does whoever take whatever
team takes him, do they have a plan to actually
make him a great player. He's always come back to this.
He's only thrown three hundred and ninety three passes in college.
And I know the high school program he played in
because my sons went to that high school and it
(27:12):
was terrible. Okay, it was god awful.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Okay, so somebody should writing book like, your kid's not
that good, this program's not that your.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Kid's really good and he's on a bad team.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
This program your kids played for.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
The Let's just tell this. If you tried to compare
Modern Days program with Eastside High School in Gainesville, Florida,
it would be it would be a comical, you know,
comparison of the two. I mean, and I mean I'm
not saying there's there's some really good players at the
east Side program, but the coaching.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Was just not It'd be like img against that school
that's really not a school.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, the California School for the Blind.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Now, wow, well we're talking about that real school, the
one that had the fake players he'sive years old.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, yes, but no, I mean, like Richardson is just
off the charts, but I don't know what he is
because he just hasn't had a chance to play that
much quarterback and all these people are like, oh, his
accuracy is nothing good. I don't know, like the guys
he played with nobody in college. I mean there's not
(28:25):
a draftable player on that Florida team that he played
with the last couple of years on offense, right, So
he played with really bad talent, two different systems. It's
he's an incredibly difficult player to judge. But he's gifted
is all get out. He's you know, he looks like
(28:46):
the second coming of Cam Newton, you know, big, tall,
strong guy. I mean, he's got everything right. And Bryce
Sung is five foot ten or five foot eleven. I mean,
you know, from an athletic standpoint, there's no comparison. You
would take richards every time, but you just don't know
does he know how to play the position at the
level you're going to and can you take the time
(29:09):
to develop him and get him ready in games. I mean,
this is a really difficult equation with that player, because
he could be he could be walking into the Hall
very Good or even better someday. You should have laughed
on the hull of very Good. You check, okay, you smiled. Okay,
(29:30):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Jack Elway was texting me. He's very nervous about this interview.
Text him back right.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Away, Jack, Jack is in the beyond. Don't try that, okay.
You know, like Richardson could be a Hall of Famer,
or he could be out of the league in three years.
You just have no idea what he's going to be.
I mean, I don't think three years. I think he's
the kind of kid who's going to hang around the
league five six, seven years minimum because people are, you know,
(29:55):
at the worst, people are going to keep giving him chances.
I just don't know what he is.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's on Twitter. The one we know who he is.
It's Jason Cole at Jason Cole sixty two. That is
at Jason Cole sixty two check out, Ladies on out
came and the book is shut up, your kid is
not that good. And he plays on the Jets.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Amazon Amazon, Amazon, go get it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And there it is again. Check him out on Twitter
for a link to that at Jason Cole sixty's Jet
I'm calling you as soon as it happens, and you
better pick up your phone.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
We'll get a breakdown, all right, man. Bye.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Joining us now on the Hotline No One Better, Fox
Sports One NBA Insider check Out is on the Ball Podcast.
You can follo him on Twitter at Rick Buker. It
is Rick Buker. What's happening, man? How are you?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I am good. We've had Actually, the Tea Wolves game
was probably the most disappointing, out pointing, but just not dramatic.
It's been This has been fun. I've love to play
in and we are entering a playoff full of mystery finding,
you know, just trying to figure out how many games
(31:13):
it takes till the Knicks prevail.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And when the first.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Championship since when I can't remember when last time, but.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Seventy three, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy three, yeah, nineteen yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
A matter of when, not if that long?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What did most of them alone say, faux fox fo.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Right, yes, yeah, yeah, And then you've.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Got the Knicks, who are a faux champion.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now we'll have time for the Knicks, but I'm going
to ask you the question. You a big mystery, Rick,
because this really is is baffling to me. We watched,
we watched the Bulls go down to the Heat tonight,
a close game down the stretch, the Heat pull away
the bull For the Bulls to be this mediocre defies reasoning.
They have a really good big three in DeRozan and
(31:58):
Vosovich and and Levy, their support players are not bad,
and Caruso and White and Drummond, and they got Billy
Bleep and Donovan as their head coach. How are they
this mediocre? How are they not a better team?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It's a It's a fair question, and I would point
to that when you look at the pieces separately, they
look good. But I don't know that Zach Lavine and
DeMar de Rosen and Nikolavusovich that their games complement each other.
And we've seen other teams where you just look at
the teams, you look at the players individually. I think,
(32:32):
I'm you know, I'm I'm going to go back to
what we had Kobe and Steve Nash and Pau Gasol
and Dwight Howard, and you took those apart. I remember
that being a magazine cover at the beginning of the year.
I think we've had a few other teams like that.
You look at that and you go, well, they's you know,
maybe they're not gonna win a championship, but they should
be certainly shouldn't be tent in the finishing tenth and
(32:55):
fighting trying to fight their way into into the playoffs.
But I just think that looking at those pieces, they
just don't their games don't compliment each other. So individually
they can do some things and against certain matchups they
can look really good. I mean, it'd be a lot
of the top teams. During the regular season, they had
a great record against Boston and Milwaukee in a number
(33:18):
of teams, but by and large, that combination is just
not gonna work. And Alex Caruso being hurt a good
part of the year, Lonzo Ball not being a factor.
I think they looked at him as being sort of
a glue element that could potentially make those pieces work
together better. But you kind of saw it tonight, and
(33:43):
in comparison even to the game against Toronto, Like Toronto,
they figured out how to get Zach Lavine going and
he has thirty nine, and they pull through and Damar
hit some big shots and Damar's daughter does her part,
and they end up getting to Miami. And then you
have Zach Lavigne having his big a hand in them
(34:04):
not getting it done tonight with with shot selection and
they don't turn it in another direction. It's not like,
immediately go, Zach's not the guy we should be going
to right now we've did. It's the decision making and
it's the fit. And Vussovic gets outplayed by bam Adebayo,
who got outplayed in their first game against Atlanta. So
(34:26):
I just I agree with you, Like I looked at
them and I'm like, there's no way that this team
should be tenth, and it's why I expected that they
would still make the playoffs if nothing nothing more than that,
But they have some decisions to make. I think that,
you know, if you're making choices, Damar is probably a
(34:48):
staple you look at, you possibly move on with Zach
and I think he's grown and Matt Matt mentally as
a as a Chicago Bull. I don't necessarily put their
I don't put their their problems on Zach as much
as if you're gonna make choices, do you sign and
(35:11):
trade Voussovich? The bottom line is that they've got to
find a core that works together better than the one
that they have right now.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Zach Levine and the lost tonight six of twenty one
from the floor, five turnovers at the top of the
Eastern Conference after the long season, Milwaukee finished with fifty
eight wins, Boston with fifty seven wins. Do you think
Milwaukee is a noticeably better team than Boston heading into
the playoffs, even the just a one game difference in
the standings.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I don't at all. In fact, I have and I've
been on Milwaukee all year, and if they end up
getting to the finals, I would not be surprised. But
I don't know how they're going to get past Boston
because Boston is demonstrated that they are a better If
that's what it comes down to. Now, if it's Philly
and Boston, then I can see Philly knocking off Boston,
(36:01):
and I don't see Philly being able to beat Milwaukee.
It's really going to be a matter of matchups. But
if we see Milwaukee and Boston in the Eastern Conference finals,
from what I've seen during the regular season, and yeah,
the playoffs are different, but Malcolm Brogden has just made
such a big difference for the Boston Celtics and the
(36:22):
athleticism of the Bucks Wings compared to I mean, excuse me,
the Boston's athleticism on the wings with Jalen Brown and
Jason Tatum. It's just a tough matchup for Chris Middleton
and Joe Ingles and I just you know, Drew Holiday
(36:44):
is a great defender, Brook Lopez great defender, Giannis, great defender.
But the matchups favor Boston, and I think that's been
reflected in how they've the results when they've met each
other during the regular season. So as much as I've
leaved in the Bucks all year, as much as I
respect what Brook Lopez has been, I think Drew Holliday
(37:05):
has had the best year of his career.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Joannis continues to grow and I love his leadership. I
it's really hard for me to pick against the Celtics
if it comes down to a Celtics Bucks Conference final.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Rick Buger with us The Jason Smith Show, Steve de
Seger in for Mike Harmon tonight. All right, So outside
of the favorites. Rick, if I had to say, hey,
you wouldn't be surprised if Blank made an upset run
to the finals, an upset ish type run to the finals.
You can say the Knicks. If the answer is the Knicks,
that's no, he wasn't. I want to let him know.
It's okay to say it. Who would be that team?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's you know, Jason. Let's be honest, it's really not
okay to say. No one should ever say that.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It might.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You know, it could happen, but no one should ever
say it could be like one of the.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Can you believe the year?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
The Knicks? After all, Like that's how it should happen.
No one should ever actually say it. It should be.
It should be like one of those you know, one
of those spells that something terrible happens if you actually
utter the words. But no, I I the I don't
(38:22):
know the finals, the team that I'm the dark horse,
or the edgy prediction that I'm making is that the
Clippers get to the conference finally, that they knock off
the Suns in the first round and then get past
trying to think of probably Denver need to be Denver
(38:43):
in the second round, and then would meet the Warriors
in the conference finals, and.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
With Paul George may as things go along, Paul George,
maybe with Paul George as things go along, round by
round two.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean the big, the big cause,
the you know, the obviously the edgiest part of that
is having them beat the Phoenix Suns without Paul George back.
And I don't expect him back in the first round.
But and the reason that I think that that's a
possibility simply is because of how Kawhi Leonard has played.
You know, everybody's made a big deal about how Kevin
Durant has played, but Kawhi Leonard has been just as
(39:18):
good over the last you know, two three weeks of
the season. And I think the Clippers have depth on
the bench and a versatility that the that the Sons
do not. Norm Powell coming off the bench is far
and away a better score than anybody that the Suns have.
(39:39):
And so that's I do I think it's gonna happen.
When I bet on it, I don't know that I
would bet on it, but I would not be surprised.
I don't think that that's a walk over as much
as people think it is, And I don't think the
Clippers are thinking that way because they were more than
happy to do what they needed to do to slide
(40:01):
into that fifth spot and see the suns right off
the bat.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
We're talking with Rick Byueger and we're talking last night
about Zion Williamson. It's kind of a frustrating conversation, isn't it.
Because it's a guy who still, as we speak, twenty
two years old, and his extension hasn't even kicked in
yet until next season, and he's just not on the court.
It's what is going on here?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, the great mistake here was him
going out and warming up before a game that he
had that there was no chance that he was going
to play in. And just because he warmed up and
just because he dunked the ball a couple times, does
not mean that he was ready to play in that game.
Nor I would have been male seasons to have him
(40:45):
play in that game. To go for what four months
not playing a game and then you're going to play
in a play in game. That the intensity of that.
We've seen that with these games, right, I don't care
if he's playing. You know, people are like, he could
just give him five ten minutes. Now you're you're going
out there, and every one of those minutes is going
to is going to have to be a hard minute
(41:07):
in a high pressure situation. So I wouldn't do that.
It's just that the optics are terrible, and I get
why the Pelicans fans would be upset to see that
and hear him say I'm you know, hey, physically I'm fine. Mentally,
I'm just not there yet, when the reality is he
(41:28):
hadn't been cleared to play five on five. He wasn't there,
like according to the doctors, he wasn't there physically yet.
But we've we've you know that the toughest part of
this is that there's there's such a nebulousness to when
we talk about mental health. We've become far more conscious
of how legitimate mental health issues are, but now it's
(41:53):
become this sweeping thing that I honestly I just struggle
with to find out, Like it's I think we have
to be careful in that we want to respect situations
that are truly mentally challenging and respect people's need for
(42:15):
help and space. And when Kevin Love and Demort de
Roses talk about depression you know, I've known some I've
not experienced it personally, but I've experienced it with people close,
very close to me, So I understand how furious that
(42:36):
can be a guy who hasn't played for four months
and isn't comfortable being on the floor. When we take
that into mental health or whatever's going on with Ben Simmons,
I just feel like we're painting with way too broad
of a brush sometimes in how we approach or or
(42:57):
address things that we consider mental health.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
All right, Lastly, Wrick, I noticed the absence of one
team from our conversation we've had for the past few minutes,
and you did not mention. You did not mention anywhere.
So what Lakers are? They're getting swept in the first round?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Are think?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Do you think if I'm going to talk, if i'm
if I have a choice between talking about the Knicks
and the Lakers, obviously, obviously I need to talk about
our ja Barrett right, Yeah, I'll be interested to see.
I'm really I'm I am surprised at the number of
(43:40):
my fellow pundits who are picking the Lakers to win
this series. I I think it's it's quite the insult
to the Memphis Grizzlies, to be honest with you, considering
what we saw against the Timberwolves, and I give all
the respect in the world to the Lakers getting themselves
(44:02):
into this position and qualifying for the playoffs, But it's
just hard for me to imagine, largely because people look
at how they beat the Timberwolves and they're like, man,
that was an ugly game. Boy, that was not great basketball.
That's how the Lakers are going to have to win.
(44:22):
So if you didn't like it, well, if you want
the Lakers to advance, you're going to need to watch
at least four more of those because that's how they're
going to win. And I just I look at they
were able to close out Lebron James was able to
be a better closer than Mike Conley or Kyle Anderson
(44:48):
or Karl Anthony Towns, who looked out of shape coming
into it and looked exhausted down the stretch in spite
of being in foul trouble. Can you do this same
thing against the team led by John Morant, with Desmond
Bane hitting shots, with Jaren Jackson able to spread the
(45:08):
floor against a team that was the best defense in
the Western Conference and likes to play fast and has
had success playing fast as much as, actually more than
the Lakers have. That's where I just I'm not quite
getting how the Lakers are going to pull off a
first round upset. I honestly thought that they would have
(45:30):
a better chance of doing that against the Denver Nuggets
by forcing the Nuggets to play fast because they don't
like to, by being able to tilt the scales as
far as the pace of the game is concerned. But
as I see it, Memphis Grizzlies essentially play the same
game as the Lakers do at their best, and they've
just done it better over the course of the season.
(45:52):
So I haven't had to put a prediction in yet.
I'm saying that the Grizzlies in five at the most.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Hey, I'm liking what I'm hearing because I picked the
Grizzlies to go to the finals before the season started.
I'm feeling pretty good about that right now. I feel
pretty good.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
You are you still feel good about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Of course I do.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Well. But you know what I keep forgetting this being
a Knicks fan, that eternal hope in lost causes that
just silk into your DNA. Sure, but like you recognize
certain things and you're going, you know what, this is
what I believe in, and I know it doesn't have
a chance in the world chance.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Oh wait, wait, it'll be Grizzlies. To tell this, it'll
be Grizzlies next. No, but iPad, I told you. I
remember having the conversation and I said, I wish I
had the guts to pick the Pelicans too. But you
remember I said I would love to go Pelicans Grizzlies
in the Western Conference Finals. But what did I say?
I just can't be confident that Zion is going to
(46:52):
be out there, so I'll take the Grizzlies. Is that
looking like where we're at? Look at this?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
But yeah, and and based on that, then you're Grizzlies Nicks.
Obviously you're You're right on the money. You you avoided
the disaster of saying that the Pels were going to
be involved. So yeah, I can I completely Jason. I've
been on this show enough to our listeners may not
understand this. I've been on the show enough times that
(47:16):
I completely understand your logic. Oh and I am one
and my friend, I am one behind you.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You go, I'm just digging. When you told us the NBA,
the higher up you talked to, you said, I listen
to you on the show at those knuckleheads every week.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Well there's that too.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, he's on Twitter at Rick Buker. Check him out
on FS one. Check out the On the Ball Podcast
with Rick Buker. He will be previewing the Grizzlies Knicks
NBA Finals coming up very soon. Again, check him out
on Twitter at Rick Buker. Buddy, We're breaking down the
playoffs starting next week. It's exciting.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Julius Randall Finals MVP yo.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh you heard it here from Rick Buker. Randall's gonna
win it. See, I have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
He's gonna have to play first.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Oh man, he's gonna play in game two. It'll be fun.
It'll be fun.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Greetings, Welcome inside The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon.
Steve de Sega in for Harmon tonight. Hey, Steve, it's
a live drop Friday, as it always is. Hey, Happy
Aaron Rodgers Eve, because it could be tomorrow with Aaron
Rodgers the next. It doesn't matter. Live every day like
it's Aaron Rodgers Eve. I'm gonna start tagging my emails
(00:51):
with that and live every day like it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
E says, we haven't been sick enough of this story already.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I don't know every day, could happen to row, could
happen to morow, could have I'm gonna really am gonna
do that. I'm gonna do it. But then like, I
don't know how professional would my emails be if I
had to actually write one, you know, a professional email
to somebody and they live every day like that's Aaron
Rodgers e what is that? Even?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No time like the present?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That kind of you know what, that's one thing, you know,
you know what grinds my gears, Dave. You know, I
always when people tag their email, I'm like, don't don't
give me some inspirational saying.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, you don't want to be inspired?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I didn't, you know, listen, listen, Tony Robbins.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Why do I want to live a better line?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm not emailing you for your advice on life, just
you know, just just just write on my email back,
do you? Okay? Great? But you know, do you give
me something at the end about hey, make sure the
one percent of your life that you live every day
is the ninety nine percent of everybody. I'm like, what
is don't do that? Don't do that for me. Don't
just just send me an email and that's it. Don't
don't tag it for me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So you are not personally keeping Hallmark in business.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, although we do keep well, that is incorrect because
there is a big run. We always have a big
run of Hallmark Christmas movies, the big holiday Halliday movies.
Oh sure, yeah, they are a big deal. They're becoming
a bigger deal in our house as more actors and
actresses that we bet Pam and I loved in the
nineties now are only acting in Hallmark movies. So that's
(02:13):
our only place to see them.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, I mean, you can't go wrong with Dana y mckeller.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's it. I can't get Gallo Grady. Oh she's in
this movie. Okay, great, Yeah, Galo Grady was so great.
N White Beatie Blue, I'll get it right. This is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Has dannic mckeller made a bad Hallmark movie?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You're talking about Danna Keller. She's one of like the
three wise men of Hallmark Channel with her and Lacey
Shabert exactly, And who else was it? It was her,
Lacy Shabert. And we need more Kim Fields. Can I
put in a vote for Kim Field?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can we have a Facts of Life reunion Bingo?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Didn't we have some TV movie of theirs where all
four wound up making an appearance By the end of it,
Lisa welcherl all.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Of them, really did. I did not know that. I
gotta look for that.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think it was a Kim Fields movie.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was okay, all right, very good, I mean surprising
that in the end, you know, Okay, who's.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Doing that again? Obviously we would vote for that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Who's going to be the most famous out of all
of it? It's gonna be Kim Fields. Oh but she's
gonna be really really famous.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
This a wel chair has her own show on weekends.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You'll be happy to be in the movies? Yeah, no,
we look. Hey, Nancy McKean was my favorite. I mean,
like I wanted to marry Nancy McKeen when when I was.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I believe she only appeared on the phone.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh really movie, let's see.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
She doesn't make a lot of appearances, as you may know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, I actually met her once in a really
weird you want to hear you want to hear a
really good story before you get Wait a second, it
was weird. Shocker, Yes, it was weird.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You met one of the actresses from facts?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, listen, I had the biggest crush on Nancy McKean
for the longest time, Like she was it like she
was I want to marry Nan.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Unlike anybody else from New York.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I love Nancy McKean. Right, Oh my god, Nancy McKean
was it. I loved her little larder. So this is
maybe that is a long time ago. This is maybe
about I would say about fifteen years ago. Fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The show was on in the eighties, right, yeah, oh, the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Show was eighties, early nineties. You know, they moved on,
they moved into peak skill and then you know, Chloris
Leachman came on the show, and then they brought in Mikyler.
Let's say, we don't we get the filmography of the
Facts of Life. It's fine, you know. George Clooney was
there for a little bit. No, no, no, So we
were at the Grove here in Los Angeles, which is
like a big shopping area, and then during the holidays,
(04:19):
they liked the Christmas tree.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's a guy who spent a billion dollars running for
mayor and didn't win. He owns the grove.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, so it's kind of like, you know, and they
liked the Christmas tree and there's a special on in
Elliot It's really like, hey, can we do something kind
of like the Rockefellow Center in New York. Yeah, fine,
they do that. So they like the tree. So this
is about fifteen years ago, and we were there for
the holidays and we had friends come out and we said, hey,
let's go spend the afternoon at the Grove. It's a
pretty cool shopping place where left lunch. Everything was great.
(04:46):
So we go out there and there's an area where
in the middle of the grove, which is like all
these shopping areas surrounding like like a big center, where
there's grass and there's cement and everything, and it's kind
of like a little park. And so we're with our
friends and they have to kids, and their kids are
playing in the grass and we're watching them and they're playing.
Other kids are running around to playing, and they start
(05:07):
playing with this one girl and they're playing for a
few minutes. It's kind of fun. Oh that's kind of fun. Literally,
they're running, they're playing tag, they're chasing each other. And
so then oh, you know, we're watching going Okay, we're
leaving a couple minutes, okay, five minutes, okay, great, five
minutes and then you know, walking over to get her daughter,
I look over and it's Nancy McKeon, and I go,
I go, oh, hi, She was hi, Yeah, you're you're
(05:28):
playing your your kids are playing with my daughters. Oh
it's not my kids, it's sir. But that that's great.
She goes, oh, yeah, what are their names? And I
tell them their names? And I said what your daughter's names?
Tells me your daughter's names, like, oh that that's great,
that's great, and she goes, okay, yeah, great, Hey, nice
meeting you. Happy holidays. I said, okay, great, and she
turned away. I wanted to go, I've loved you for
so long.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They weren't ruined it. You were good so far. Don't
ruin it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
My wife is right here. But I love you. I
loved you longer than I've loved her since nineteen eighty five. Steve,
don't think for one second he didn't really do that.
I really wanted to do that. I absolutely, I so
wanted to do that. But she was really nice. I
was like, that was it? Like if I was single,
Oh man, the kid would have had game. But you know,
(06:11):
where were you hiding in the bushes? I was no.
It was everything was very above board. Everything was completely
above board. It was one hundred percent. No no, No, everything
was legit. Everything was legit. And she was very nice. Okay,
great night to me.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I was like, she was so nice because you didn't
yell after her like you were wanting to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, this is where God said, watch me mess with
a Smith kid. Watch this. I would have put that,
have put him in the same place as Nancy McKeon.
But now he's been married for a while and hey
watch this, watch this, let's see what happens here. And
then everybody's just laughing, going look at the look on
his face when Nancy McKeon walks away. Ah, that was
so funny.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That was hilarious. Lady to Philip McKeon as she does.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes, yes, the late Philip McKean. What about Jack McKean,
trader Jack McKeon, I don't think so. He would have
traded everybody. He would have traded everybody in his family
and then let a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
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Slash match well a big night in the NBA. The
final play in game is underway, Minnesota leading Oklahoma City
(07:26):
sixteen to twelve. This time it counts no punches have
been thrown yet, but it is early, so we'll keep
an eye on that. But meanwhile, you're talking within the
team with it well or outside. Maybe they're graduating outside
the team now they we've punched within the team earlier.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now we're outside the team. Not that smart, it's good,
hey why not? Or stupid?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Hey, if the cameras aren't on us, maybe we will.
But earlier tonight, a back and forth battle that was
a one point game with like a minute a half
left to go, but the Heat pull away to beat
the Bulls one two ninety one. The Heat move on
to the playoffs. Are gonna be everybody's favorite darling watch
the Heat. They're gonna beat the Bucks. All this blah
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Somebody's saying that.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm sure, because look, everybody, I like the Heat going
into the playoffs. I don't like them now that they're
playing the Bucks. I would rather have them play the Celtics,
because the Celtics just look like they've become a two
person team. In the last couple of months, they were
terrific and now it's ooh, it's really just Tatum and
Brown and Brown cut his hand because ooh, ooh, that's
really different. So they're not quite the Celtics, aren't this
this two seed streaming into the playoffs kind of like
(08:28):
the Grizzlies are. But everybody's gonna be gonna be all
over the heat now the heat. And I get it
because Jimmy Butler, we've seen him in the playoffs before,
and Tyler Hero had a big night and you know,
we watch Struss at thirty one points. This was awesome.
I mean from the start, I mean plus twenty seven
leading the team. I was seven out of twelve from
three point RNs.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Like just in the first half, six of eight from
long distance. He's the reason they weren't blown out early.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
No, it's it's insane. It's like, Okay, if you're the Bulls,
you're going if we lose the Butler, fine, we lose
the Hero, that's fine, But we lose truths. Who's got
thirty one but this is where I want to go
for a couple minutes here, because this is something that
it defies logic and it's probably it's one of the
biggest mysteries in the NBA, and it's I don't know
how the Bulls aren't better. I don't know how they're
(09:17):
this bad. I don't know how they're a five hundred
team that can't put it together. When you have a
big three of Levigne and Vussovich and DeRozan who can
all fill it up. These should be just with the
three of them, they should be winning fifty some odd
games during the regular season and be a top three
to four seed. Then when you talk about the guys
(09:39):
you have coming off the bench, Kobe White's been a
pretty effective point guard the last couple of years, on
kind of a down year this year, but he'd have
a big night tonight. And Andre Drummond is very serviceable, not
quite the Andre Drummond of a couple of years ago.
But then you throw in guys like Alex Caruso, who
has won a championship and comes up with big plays
now and again, and Patrick Beverley playing pat at zero
(09:59):
points tonight. Coach by Billy Donovan, who is one of
the best coaches in the NBA and college basketball. How
do they not win? How does this team not They
have all the ingredients to win. You need star players.
We got star players.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They essentially have three twenty point a game scorers.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, it makes absolutely zero sense. As zero sense. You
have three stars, you have a decent enough role players
behind you, not unbelievable role players, but enough in the NBA,
like I said, to win over fifty games in a season,
and you have a really good coach. You have a
coach been to the NBA Finals. He's been able to
manage egos for the years he was in Oklahoma City,
(10:36):
Billy Donovan's And this is where the Bulls are. You know,
they had a decent year last year, but they still
only won forty six games and they were barely in
the playoffs. Now, I don't understand how the balls aren't better.
I really don't. It baffles me to the point where
I think they should just blow it up now, because
if you can't win with what you have here and
you have everything there, and how you're underachieving is an
absolute mystery because it makes no sense and it's inexcusable and.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Play low scoring games. They have the three scorers we
mentioned keep the opponent under one hundred a lot opponent,
they can keep the shooting down a lot. I agree
they should be. I mean, they weren't even a five
hundred team this year. They won a game to get
here tonight to play at Miami, and that made them
what forty one and forty two going into this evening? Ridiculous.
(11:20):
And you know who's going home?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Jason, Who's going home? Patrick Bevery? He went from just
yesterday he was playing Pat and now it's oh, Pat
Beverly's going home. Twenty seven minutes, no points, four found
joy Cancun dogoo man, Pat bev. But he did kind
of get his round. Look, he didn't care about this.
(11:41):
He just wanted to get revenge on the Lakers at
the end of the season and not working out for him,
but working out. The Lakers play on Sunday. That doesn't matter,
but that but that was the end of Pat Beverly
just wanted to end their season. He didn't go beyond that.
He just wanted to make sure he has no end
of their season. They're back, The Lakers are still back.
Because this is this is it's not even quite the Knicks.
(12:04):
Where the Knicks have been. Look the Knicks and the
Bulls being the teams they've been the last ten to
fifteen years, royalty teams in the NBA, the heritage teams
that that when they're better, the NBA is better. When
the Knicks stunk for so long, it was Okay, here's
complete mismanagement. The Stars aren't really great stars, they don't
play well together, the head coaching situation now. But the
Bulls have all the ingredients. They got three stars. They
(12:26):
got DeMar DeRozan, who suddenly is whoa this guy become
an MVP candidate in his thirties. Look at this, and
Vucevic is really good. And Lavigne is someone who, hey,
we get our hands on him. He's the next great
superstar in the game. He can do everything. And still
they can't win.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Okay, I can tails because I just looked up their
season stats regular season Chicago as a team forty nine
percent shooting and from the foul line eighty one percent shooting.
How how are you not even at the five hundred
mark for the season.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I really, it's a what's that? What's the what's the
old say?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The Stars played it's not like they all missed twenty games.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, no, no, no, this is not where all I'm
missing time and I'm coming in here and up and back.
And we got a couple of guys in and we
have a couple of guys out. No, they were, they've been,
they've had everything. That's what I mean, Steve. It's a mystery.
It's a complete and tonal mystery.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And it's another l and they're out. And the Miami
Heat will face number one Milwaukee starting Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That's inexcusable for the bull.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
By the way, most of the Eastern teams start Saturday.
I believe some team from New York has a game
this weekend as well, starting a best of seven.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, they do have that. But speaking of teams from
New York, I'm glad you brought this up because about
ten minutes I want to say, I want to say
about twenty minutes ago, I want to kiss you. I
watched Francisco Lindor have a ridiculously awful at bat in
the first inning. O Ye wrote them off. I sometimes,
and I tweeted out, sometimes I watch Francisco Lindor bat
(13:53):
and I go, what the hell was he trying to
do in that at bat. I don't understand with a
two to zero count, how he winds up. I don't
get it, don't get it. And then I just watch
him now ten seconds ago. Grand Slam game over. It
is against the A's, so but it's still care it
still counts for four runs six nothing. Mets lead the
A's right now over six in the second and at
(14:15):
the top of the line.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm not kidding, it's the top of the second. This
game is over. You agree with me?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, you got ghost Fork in. Come on, you got
Senga in.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's right. And then the a starting pitcher his The
IRA's up near fifteen now for the seas, and the
A's are going to be three and eleven after tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Okay, I bet this, Steve, I'll I bet you can
spend a long time come back here, not against the
win or to score a run against let me if
you're watching on YouTube TV, though not against the ghost Fork.
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is shameful. The Bulls still can't win with this kind
of talent, this kind of its unbelievdopfest.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
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Author author of now eight books. You can fall him
on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two. It key Jordan
loves Owizy. He is a Hall of Very Good voter.
And now I say eight books because his latest book
has just come out and it's called review Say it Hey,
(15:37):
review say the book is very good. The reviews say
it's very good. It's not Hall of Fame, it's but
it's very good. The book is curious George votes for
the Hall of Fame. It is Jason Cole, Jay, what
a great book, man, that's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Curious George. Yeah, I'm gonna be on.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Written by the man with the yellow hat.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Uh No, the book and you're going to think I'm
lying to you. The book is. The book is actually
has a very fun title and it is called shut up.
Your kid is not that great. It's got a big
time vibe of garnering a few laughs at every child prodigies,
overly involved parents expense.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
The real title. You're not kidding around.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
No, this is it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It's called shut up.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, no, no, this is this is Oh it's straight out
of my mind, which is disturbed and a little blunt.
But yes, yeah, it's not that good. I'm just you know,
it's it's a reaction after forty something years of not
only covering sports and entertainment generally, but also having coached
(16:47):
plenty of youth sports myself and having to deal with parents,
including one situation where the parent actually came on the
field during the middle of a little league game to
ask me a question, Wow, and question about something I
was doing, And I told him you have to get
off the field.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Jack.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Now, I thought you were going to say Jason.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And that was Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Was Jack Nicholson. It was one of his eleven illegitimate children, Wow,
who allegedly allegedly allegedly Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It would have been less should have said you can't
have a whole team with Nick Cannon.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It was actually Jack Elway who did that and came out.
He had a listen, your son, it's not that good.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
No, no, don't never do that to jack Elway. Don't
do that to jack Alway. Because Jack Elway is one
of my favorite examples of a great parent, because this
is the guy who never interfered. He never talked to
his kids coaches, in.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Fact, except when his kids coach, because he.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Didn't coach his kid number one and he only coached
John one time, and that was in a shrine game.
So I have great admiration for Jack Elway as a
as a parent and and model. People should model themselves
after him. But besides that, this is like some funny
stories about like Drew Henson's dad standing on an overpass
(18:11):
looking at Michigan practice back in the day after they
banned after Lloyd Carr. Lloyd Carr banned him from watching
practice because he used to show up and stand on
the practice field and watch everything and everybody's Like Lloyd
Carr was eventually like, we can't have parents at practice.
You have to you have to leave.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Dan absolutely Jared, but he was a college quarterback and
a college assistant.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
He was, but he needed to keep a distance. Like
Dan Henson basically micromanaged the hell out of Drew Henson's
Henson's career and arguably undermined his son's career. I would
say that's one of the problem, one of the big
problems that Drew Henson had is his dad just couldn't
(18:58):
stop interfering, including like becoming, you know, getting hired by
his agent to be in, you know, an assistant in
the whole process. But be that as it may. Like,
there's just this funny story about how Lloyd Carr had
to like ask Dan Henson stop attending practice so instead
when Michigan used to have its practice field, you know,
(19:21):
it was an open air practice field, right, and there
was an overpass that ran by it. He would go
up and park on the overpass and watch practice from
the overpass.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Was there any right.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
A great binocular?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
U USC used to send security people into the parking
garage which overlooked their practice field, probably not looking for parents,
probably looking for a parson.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
They were looking for spies. But yeah, but occasionally you
get you get apparently.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Do you think that Drew Henson with the football baseball
I don't want to. I don't want to say he
would have been John Elway. But it's a guy who
could be who could have been drafted in both.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, he was drafted him and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Therefore had a choice of professions and did, as I recall,
play minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Right, Yeah, the funniest story about that. Albert Breer tells
a great story about this. So, you know, as a
freshman or as a sophomore, I can't remember which one
it was, Drew Henson goes into Columbus and beats Ohio State, right,
and then he signs with the Yankees and works his
(20:27):
way through the miners and eventually ends up in there
either Double A or Triple A affiliate, which was in Columbus, Ohio. So,
like Albert Breer told me this story about he and
his buddies used to go day drink when they were
undergrads at Ohio State, and they go to the minor
league games and they would boo Drew Henson at home. Wow,
(20:54):
and which you know, it's sort of funny that. Yeah,
like you're an Ohio State student and you're booing one
of the hometown guys for the minor league team. Yeah,
there's this. But later years later, I like found this
quote from Drew Henson about how hard it was to
play home games in the mind leagues in Columbus and
how much it got on his nerves. And I was like,
(21:14):
wait a second, you let Albert Breer get in your head. Really?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Sure enough, he batted under two forty.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
It was a strikeout machine. Like again through Henson's case,
he was at one point called the next John Elway. Right,
he was such a superstar.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
He was.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
In fact, his freshman year he was on the cover
of Sports Illustrated. That cover. That cover of Sports Illustrated
appeared on the same day. It's dated the same day.
I think of Tom Brady's either twentieth or twenty first
birthday when he was a junior at Michigan. So like
everybody expected, Henson was just going to come in and yeah,
(21:57):
that Brady gual, He'll just have to get out of there.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yet some people don't don't realize at Michigan. Tell people
about the quarterback situation. We all know Tom Brady, they
may not know how little he was starting for a
while at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Even started his first two years. I mean he was
beaten up by Brian Greasy. That was after that was
after a red shirt year, so his red shirt. Sophomore
year he was beaten up by Brian Greasy, and then
the junior year he had to split time with Henson,
who was a freshman because Lloyd Carr had promised Henson's
(22:32):
dad that he would play, you know, at least part time.
And there is a great quote he got from somebody
who like Drew Henson's dad, Dan Henson said, at one
point to a bunch of parents, this is really hard
Andrew to be splitting time with Tom.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You want a great question about Brady about this situation,
I am. I now realized I am like five thousand
dollars poorer than I could be because I went to Syracuse,
Michigan in ninety Brady's first start at home McNabb That
was a McNab one shoe game, right, And I'm like,
(23:15):
we're gonna get killed in this game. But you know,
I went to Syracuse, my wife went to Michigan. It
was a whole big thing with our family. I'm there
in Syracuse, gear and and it's Brady's first start at
home and Syricus gets out seven to nothing, fourteen twenty
one nothing. I'm like, we're kicking your hass, right, But
Brady actually threw a touchdown. Okay, that's fine. He comes
(23:37):
out like midway through the third quarter. Drew Henson comes in,
throws a couple of touchdowns. Syracuse won like thirty eight
to twenty one something like that. But that was Tom
Brady's first touchdown pass for Michigan. I don't know where
the tickets of that game are, but they're going on
eBay right now for like five thousand dollars. And I'm like, oh,
not save that tickets though, absolutely, And it was on
payper tickets like I had them.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
My only Dan Henson's story is when he was on
The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson actually went up into the
seats to help play Stump the Band. He would pick
people that were actually in attendance at the Tonight and
he picked Dan Henson to play Stump the Band. What
I'm not kidding. I remember the.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Episode that's in Jason Cole's next book. That's going to
be his next book, right there, stories you missed the
first time around?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, so Dan Hanson was the prototype parents. Oh boy,
shut up, your kid's not that good. He just should
have backed off and let his kids play. And there
is there is a cool introduction to this book by
Tom Brady Sr.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Wow, there we go. Then it's on Jason Cole's page.
Check it out, and the link is on his Twitter
on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
There you go go check it, go find it on Amazon.
It's a nice, easy read. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Remember the book is very good. We've been told it
was very The book is very.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Good, very good. It's almost all of very good work.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, you're the title is better than very great. I mean,
don't think it's like all time very good.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's chuck holly good.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah. Hey, by the way, yeah, it's fantastic. And by
the way, it's another week and Aaron Rodgers is still
not a Jet exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Just deal with that, Okay, it's okay. It's Aaron Rodgers.
Every night is Aaron Rodgers. Eve, I wake up the
next day and he could wind up being a Jet.
I'm gonna celebrate this all the way until the draft.
It's happening. It's gonna happen. It just hasn't happened.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
What Jared Douglas says, Yeah, what choice did he have?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, hey, everybody's making fun of the Jets now, but
you just watch how Lamar Jackson's not gonna go back
to the Ravens. Gonna say, I just wanted to get
Odell paid. My buddy's getting fifteen million a year. I'm
still leaving to go someplace else.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Classic stuff. Quarterback manipulation at its best right here. It's
all going on in the NFL these weeks. There you go,
all right?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So, hey, speaking of quarterback manipulation, right we're talking about
the beginning of the draft. We had conversation about that
this week. We had the chefter of weren't last night that? Hey,
Bryce Young visiting the Texans is a waste of time.
When it comes down to it, who's going to go
number one?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
It'll be Bryce Young. I mean, like I think Levis
has got too many holes in his game, same thing
with CJ. Stroud. Bryce Young has has played and played
in a pro style offense basically since high school. I mean,
if you go out and check out the kind of
system they played at modern day Yeah, So, I mean
(26:28):
he's got a ton of rows and you know, there's
a great book on him. You know what kind of
player he is. And part of this is mitigating risk. Now,
you can play the risk game, and if you want
to play the risk game, you know, Anthony Richardson is
I mean, he's an unicorn, like he's he could be unbelievable.
(26:50):
But do you have a plan? Does whoever take whatever
team takes him, do they have a plan to actually
make him a great player. He's always come back to this.
He's only thrown three hundred and ninety three passes in college.
And I know the high school program he played in
because my sons went to that high school and it
(27:12):
was terrible. Okay, it was god awful.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Okay, so somebody should writing book like, your kid's not
that good, this program's not that your.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Kid's really good and he's on a bad team.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
This program your kids played for.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
The Let's just tell this. If you tried to compare
Modern Days program with Eastside High School in Gainesville, Florida,
it would be it would be a comical, you know,
comparison of the two. I mean, and I mean I'm
not saying there's there's some really good players at the
east Side program, but the coaching.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Was just not It'd be like img against that school
that's really not a school.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, the California School for the Blind.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Now, wow, well we're talking about that real school, the
one that had the fake players he'sive years old.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, yes, but no, I mean, like Richardson is just
off the charts, but I don't know what he is
because he just hasn't had a chance to play that
much quarterback and all these people are like, oh, his
accuracy is nothing good. I don't know, like the guys
he played with nobody in college. I mean there's not
(28:25):
a draftable player on that Florida team that he played
with the last couple of years on offense, right, So
he played with really bad talent, two different systems. It's
he's an incredibly difficult player to judge. But he's gifted
is all get out. He's you know, he looks like
(28:46):
the second coming of Cam Newton, you know, big, tall,
strong guy. I mean, he's got everything right. And Bryce
Sung is five foot ten or five foot eleven. I mean,
you know, from an athletic standpoint, there's no comparison. You
would take richards every time, but you just don't know
does he know how to play the position at the
level you're going to and can you take the time
(29:09):
to develop him and get him ready in games. I mean,
this is a really difficult equation with that player, because
he could be he could be walking into the Hall
very Good or even better someday. You should have laughed
on the hull of very Good. You check, okay, you smiled. Okay,
(29:30):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Jack Elway was texting me. He's very nervous about this interview.
Text him back right.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Away, Jack, Jack is in the beyond. Don't try that, okay.
You know, like Richardson could be a Hall of Famer,
or he could be out of the league in three years.
You just have no idea what he's going to be.
I mean, I don't think three years. I think he's
the kind of kid who's going to hang around the
league five six, seven years minimum because people are, you know,
(29:55):
at the worst, people are going to keep giving him chances.
I just don't know what he is.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's on Twitter. The one we know who he is.
It's Jason Cole at Jason Cole sixty two. That is
at Jason Cole sixty two check out, Ladies on out
came and the book is shut up, your kid is
not that good. And he plays on the Jets.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Amazon Amazon, Amazon, go get it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And there it is again. Check him out on Twitter
for a link to that at Jason Cole sixty's Jet
I'm calling you as soon as it happens, and you
better pick up your phone.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
We'll get a breakdown, all right, man. Bye.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Joining us now on the Hotline No One Better, Fox
Sports One NBA Insider check Out is on the Ball Podcast.
You can follo him on Twitter at Rick Buker. It
is Rick Buker. What's happening, man? How are you?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I am good. We've had Actually, the Tea Wolves game
was probably the most disappointing, out pointing, but just not dramatic.
It's been This has been fun. I've love to play
in and we are entering a playoff full of mystery finding,
you know, just trying to figure out how many games
(31:13):
it takes till the Knicks prevail.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And when the first.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Championship since when I can't remember when last time, but.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Seventy three, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy three, yeah, nineteen yeah,
it's just.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
A matter of when, not if that long?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What did most of them alone say, faux fox fo.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Right, yes, yeah, yeah, And then you've.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Got the Knicks, who are a faux champion.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now we'll have time for the Knicks, but I'm going
to ask you the question. You a big mystery, Rick,
because this really is is baffling to me. We watched,
we watched the Bulls go down to the Heat tonight,
a close game down the stretch, the Heat pull away
the bull For the Bulls to be this mediocre defies reasoning.
They have a really good big three in DeRozan and
(31:58):
Vosovich and and Levy, their support players are not bad,
and Caruso and White and Drummond, and they got Billy
Bleep and Donovan as their head coach. How are they
this mediocre? How are they not a better team?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It's a It's a fair question, and I would point
to that when you look at the pieces separately, they
look good. But I don't know that Zach Lavine and
DeMar de Rosen and Nikolavusovich that their games complement each other.
And we've seen other teams where you just look at
the teams, you look at the players individually. I think,
(32:32):
I'm you know, I'm I'm going to go back to
what we had Kobe and Steve Nash and Pau Gasol
and Dwight Howard, and you took those apart. I remember
that being a magazine cover at the beginning of the year.
I think we've had a few other teams like that.
You look at that and you go, well, they's you know,
maybe they're not gonna win a championship, but they should
be certainly shouldn't be tent in the finishing tenth and
(32:55):
fighting trying to fight their way into into the playoffs.
But I just think that looking at those pieces, they
just don't their games don't compliment each other. So individually
they can do some things and against certain matchups they
can look really good. I mean, it'd be a lot
of the top teams. During the regular season, they had
a great record against Boston and Milwaukee in a number
(33:18):
of teams, but by and large, that combination is just
not gonna work. And Alex Caruso being hurt a good
part of the year, Lonzo Ball not being a factor.
I think they looked at him as being sort of
a glue element that could potentially make those pieces work
together better. But you kind of saw it tonight, and
(33:43):
in comparison even to the game against Toronto, Like Toronto,
they figured out how to get Zach Lavine going and
he has thirty nine, and they pull through and Damar
hit some big shots and Damar's daughter does her part,
and they end up getting to Miami. And then you
have Zach Lavigne having his big a hand in them
(34:04):
not getting it done tonight with with shot selection and
they don't turn it in another direction. It's not like,
immediately go, Zach's not the guy we should be going
to right now we've did. It's the decision making and
it's the fit. And Vussovic gets outplayed by bam Adebayo,
who got outplayed in their first game against Atlanta. So
(34:26):
I just I agree with you, Like I looked at
them and I'm like, there's no way that this team
should be tenth, and it's why I expected that they
would still make the playoffs if nothing nothing more than that,
But they have some decisions to make. I think that,
you know, if you're making choices, Damar is probably a
(34:48):
staple you look at, you possibly move on with Zach
and I think he's grown and Matt Matt mentally as
a as a Chicago Bull. I don't necessarily put their
I don't put their their problems on Zach as much
as if you're gonna make choices, do you sign and
(35:11):
trade Voussovich? The bottom line is that they've got to
find a core that works together better than the one
that they have right now.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Zach Levine and the lost tonight six of twenty one
from the floor, five turnovers at the top of the
Eastern Conference after the long season, Milwaukee finished with fifty
eight wins, Boston with fifty seven wins. Do you think
Milwaukee is a noticeably better team than Boston heading into
the playoffs, even the just a one game difference in
the standings.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I don't at all. In fact, I have and I've
been on Milwaukee all year, and if they end up
getting to the finals, I would not be surprised. But
I don't know how they're going to get past Boston
because Boston is demonstrated that they are a better If
that's what it comes down to. Now, if it's Philly
and Boston, then I can see Philly knocking off Boston,
(36:01):
and I don't see Philly being able to beat Milwaukee.
It's really going to be a matter of matchups. But
if we see Milwaukee and Boston in the Eastern Conference finals,
from what I've seen during the regular season, and yeah,
the playoffs are different, but Malcolm Brogden has just made
such a big difference for the Boston Celtics and the
(36:22):
athleticism of the Bucks Wings compared to I mean, excuse me,
the Boston's athleticism on the wings with Jalen Brown and
Jason Tatum. It's just a tough matchup for Chris Middleton
and Joe Ingles and I just you know, Drew Holiday
(36:44):
is a great defender, Brook Lopez great defender, Giannis, great defender.
But the matchups favor Boston, and I think that's been
reflected in how they've the results when they've met each
other during the regular season. So as much as I've
leaved in the Bucks all year, as much as I
respect what Brook Lopez has been, I think Drew Holliday
(37:05):
has had the best year of his career.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Joannis continues to grow and I love his leadership. I
it's really hard for me to pick against the Celtics
if it comes down to a Celtics Bucks Conference final.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Rick Buger with us The Jason Smith Show, Steve de
Seger in for Mike Harmon tonight. All right, So outside
of the favorites. Rick, if I had to say, hey,
you wouldn't be surprised if Blank made an upset run
to the finals, an upset ish type run to the finals.
You can say the Knicks. If the answer is the Knicks,
that's no, he wasn't. I want to let him know.
It's okay to say it. Who would be that team?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's you know, Jason. Let's be honest, it's really not
okay to say. No one should ever say that.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It might.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You know, it could happen, but no one should ever
say it could be like one of the.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Can you believe the year?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
The Knicks? After all, Like that's how it should happen.
No one should ever actually say it. It should be.
It should be like one of those you know, one
of those spells that something terrible happens if you actually
utter the words. But no, I I the I don't
(38:22):
know the finals, the team that I'm the dark horse,
or the edgy prediction that I'm making is that the
Clippers get to the conference finally, that they knock off
the Suns in the first round and then get past
trying to think of probably Denver need to be Denver
(38:43):
in the second round, and then would meet the Warriors
in the conference finals, and.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
With Paul George may as things go along, Paul George,
maybe with Paul George as things go along, round by
round two.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean the big, the big cause,
the you know, the obviously the edgiest part of that
is having them beat the Phoenix Suns without Paul George back.
And I don't expect him back in the first round.
But and the reason that I think that that's a
possibility simply is because of how Kawhi Leonard has played.
You know, everybody's made a big deal about how Kevin
Durant has played, but Kawhi Leonard has been just as
(39:18):
good over the last you know, two three weeks of
the season. And I think the Clippers have depth on
the bench and a versatility that the that the Sons
do not. Norm Powell coming off the bench is far
and away a better score than anybody that the Suns have.
(39:39):
And so that's I do I think it's gonna happen.
When I bet on it, I don't know that I
would bet on it, but I would not be surprised.
I don't think that that's a walk over as much
as people think it is, And I don't think the
Clippers are thinking that way because they were more than
happy to do what they needed to do to slide
(40:01):
into that fifth spot and see the suns right off
the bat.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
We're talking with Rick Byueger and we're talking last night
about Zion Williamson. It's kind of a frustrating conversation, isn't it.
Because it's a guy who still, as we speak, twenty
two years old, and his extension hasn't even kicked in
yet until next season, and he's just not on the court.
It's what is going on here?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, the great mistake here was him
going out and warming up before a game that he
had that there was no chance that he was going
to play in. And just because he warmed up and
just because he dunked the ball a couple times, does
not mean that he was ready to play in that game.
Nor I would have been male seasons to have him
(40:45):
play in that game. To go for what four months
not playing a game and then you're going to play
in a play in game. That the intensity of that.
We've seen that with these games, right, I don't care
if he's playing. You know, people are like, he could
just give him five ten minutes. Now you're you're going
out there, and every one of those minutes is going
to is going to have to be a hard minute
(41:07):
in a high pressure situation. So I wouldn't do that.
It's just that the optics are terrible, and I get
why the Pelicans fans would be upset to see that
and hear him say I'm you know, hey, physically I'm fine. Mentally,
I'm just not there yet, when the reality is he
(41:28):
hadn't been cleared to play five on five. He wasn't there,
like according to the doctors, he wasn't there physically yet.
But we've we've you know that the toughest part of
this is that there's there's such a nebulousness to when
we talk about mental health. We've become far more conscious
of how legitimate mental health issues are, but now it's
(41:53):
become this sweeping thing that I honestly I just struggle
with to find out, Like it's I think we have
to be careful in that we want to respect situations
that are truly mentally challenging and respect people's need for
(42:15):
help and space. And when Kevin Love and Demort de
Roses talk about depression you know, I've known some I've
not experienced it personally, but I've experienced it with people close,
very close to me, So I understand how furious that
(42:36):
can be a guy who hasn't played for four months
and isn't comfortable being on the floor. When we take
that into mental health or whatever's going on with Ben Simmons,
I just feel like we're painting with way too broad
of a brush sometimes in how we approach or or
(42:57):
address things that we consider mental health.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
All right, Lastly, Wrick, I noticed the absence of one
team from our conversation we've had for the past few minutes,
and you did not mention. You did not mention anywhere.
So what Lakers are? They're getting swept in the first round?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Are think?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Do you think if I'm going to talk, if i'm
if I have a choice between talking about the Knicks
and the Lakers, obviously, obviously I need to talk about
our ja Barrett right, Yeah, I'll be interested to see.
I'm really I'm I am surprised at the number of
(43:40):
my fellow pundits who are picking the Lakers to win
this series. I I think it's it's quite the insult
to the Memphis Grizzlies, to be honest with you, considering
what we saw against the Timberwolves, and I give all
the respect in the world to the Lakers getting themselves
(44:02):
into this position and qualifying for the playoffs, But it's
just hard for me to imagine, largely because people look
at how they beat the Timberwolves and they're like, man,
that was an ugly game. Boy, that was not great basketball.
That's how the Lakers are going to have to win.
(44:22):
So if you didn't like it, well, if you want
the Lakers to advance, you're going to need to watch
at least four more of those because that's how they're
going to win. And I just I look at they
were able to close out Lebron James was able to
be a better closer than Mike Conley or Kyle Anderson
(44:48):
or Karl Anthony Towns, who looked out of shape coming
into it and looked exhausted down the stretch in spite
of being in foul trouble. Can you do this same
thing against the team led by John Morant, with Desmond
Bane hitting shots, with Jaren Jackson able to spread the
(45:08):
floor against a team that was the best defense in
the Western Conference and likes to play fast and has
had success playing fast as much as, actually more than
the Lakers have. That's where I just I'm not quite
getting how the Lakers are going to pull off a
first round upset. I honestly thought that they would have
(45:30):
a better chance of doing that against the Denver Nuggets
by forcing the Nuggets to play fast because they don't
like to, by being able to tilt the scales as
far as the pace of the game is concerned. But
as I see it, Memphis Grizzlies essentially play the same
game as the Lakers do at their best, and they've
just done it better over the course of the season.
(45:52):
So I haven't had to put a prediction in yet.
I'm saying that the Grizzlies in five at the most.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Hey, I'm liking what I'm hearing because I picked the
Grizzlies to go to the finals before the season started.
I'm feeling pretty good about that right now. I feel
pretty good.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
You are you still feel good about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Of course I do.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Well. But you know what I keep forgetting this being
a Knicks fan, that eternal hope in lost causes that
just silk into your DNA. Sure, but like you recognize
certain things and you're going, you know what, this is
what I believe in, and I know it doesn't have
a chance in the world chance.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Oh wait, wait, it'll be Grizzlies. To tell this, it'll
be Grizzlies next. No, but iPad, I told you. I
remember having the conversation and I said, I wish I
had the guts to pick the Pelicans too. But you
remember I said I would love to go Pelicans Grizzlies
in the Western Conference Finals. But what did I say?
I just can't be confident that Zion is going to
(46:52):
be out there, so I'll take the Grizzlies. Is that
looking like where we're at? Look at this?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
But yeah, and and based on that, then you're Grizzlies Nicks.
Obviously you're You're right on the money. You you avoided
the disaster of saying that the Pels were going to
be involved. So yeah, I can I completely Jason. I've
been on this show enough to our listeners may not
understand this. I've been on the show enough times that
(47:16):
I completely understand your logic. Oh and I am one
and my friend, I am one behind you.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You go, I'm just digging. When you told us the NBA,
the higher up you talked to, you said, I listen
to you on the show at those knuckleheads every week.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Well there's that too.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, he's on Twitter at Rick Buker. Check him out
on FS one. Check out the On the Ball Podcast
with Rick Buker. He will be previewing the Grizzlies Knicks
NBA Finals coming up very soon. Again, check him out
on Twitter at Rick Buker. Buddy, We're breaking down the
playoffs starting next week. It's exciting.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Julius Randall Finals MVP yo.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh you heard it here from Rick Buker. Randall's gonna
win it. See, I have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
He's gonna have to play first.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Oh man, he's gonna play in game two. It'll be fun.
It'll be fun.
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