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May 20, 2023 • 34 mins

Jason and Mike react to the ending of Game 2 of the Heat and The Celtics Game 2 as the Heat take a commanding 2-0 lead.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
The Boston Celtics found a way to give away a
huge lead in the fourth quarter. The Heat outscore the
Celtics thirty six to twenty two in the fourth. They
win Game two, one eleven, one oh five. They are
going home with a two games to none lead in
the Eastern Conference Finals. The Heat the eight seed, would

(01:15):
be the first eight seed if they win.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Mike Harman, if they go on to finish this series.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Eight seed to make the NBA Finals since who welz
Well he did it, since the Knicks in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Count that was a shortened season.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was a shortened seed. Yes, it was a shortened
season because of the strike. But the last eight seed
to make the NBA Finals were the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
They lost to the Spurs. It was very upsetting.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Patrick Ewing got hurt in the Eastern Conference finals, and
it was, Oh, we would have beat We.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Would have so beat the We're not making this about
the Knicks. We would have so won.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
But they would be the first seed, first eight seed.
But nobody's ever gone as an eight seed in a
full season. The Heat would be the first team to
do that if they wound up winning. And now I'm
just going to think about the ninety nine NBA Finals
all over.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Again once again. Another implosion and a close game that
goes on the wrong side of the ledger for the
Celtics in the fourth quarter. Jason Smith one of eight
from three point range. I'll tell no, Well, Lebron's there
with him. We'll see how how long that that streak goes.

(02:31):
We're at nineteen eight.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, he would have had the over.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's been a minute, been a long while since he
hit one in the fourth quarter. But for the night,
ten of thirty five from three point range. Uh, for
the Celtics, you had Jaylen Brown goes seven of twenty
three and down the stretch defensively, every fifty to fifty ball,
every rebound, and they just swarming Miami Heat. They know

(02:58):
how to close Boston once again. A lot of looking
around and a lot of bad shots, selection, sloppiness with
the basketball, and lack of motion on offense.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, there's two big things to take away from this game,
and both of them are a little bit outside the
circle of a teammate did this team he did this.
The first one is that look, I go back to
this one play with thirty five seconds left to go
in the game and the Heat have the ball and
they're up too And Gabe Vincent, who was having a

(03:29):
horrendous game, I mean having a bad game, played all
forty minutes, is one out of seven from the floor.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
But he was twenty so he was vital to the
flow of the game.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm not saying I'm not saying, you know, being on
the floor, but taking shot, I mean he was not
having a good game, right he had no all right,
he had zero assists tonight.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
All right, you're starting point guard? No assists? All right,
just think about it.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
He did a good game anymore? I mean, we don't anyway.
It's positions NBA.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
But I'm just saying, Okay, how are you gonna be
Are you gonna somehow try to get this into him
having a good game.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
You can't do it, Mike Carment, He did not have
a good game. You have all kinds of other options
with thirty seconds left to go in a game where
you could say, hey man, we win this, we're basically
going to the NBA finals. Butler could take that shot
out A bio could take that shot. Martin's had He's
got twenty five, he could take that shot. Duncan Robinson, no,
Vincent just decides I got it, I'm feeling it, and

(04:27):
a step back jumper, which everybody in Boston was like, yeah,
go ahead, take that, and he drains it for a
four point lead. When you see a shot like that,
it looked like a lot of the fight went out
of the Celtics at that point.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
This is when you just think, okay, maybe the Heater
just a team of destiny.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
When you have a guy who's one out of seven
from the floor and his knots, not having a big
net and he decided not only does he make the shot,
it's I'm deciding.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
To take it.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
It's a heat check shot from him, hey, cause I
could still make this, man, this is not hey. With
one second left on the shot clock, the ball gets
kicked out to the arc and he grabs it and
chucks it up and it goes in. No, no, this
was hey, man, I'm feeling it. I'm taking this shot
and it's one of those no no, no, no, no no.
Good shot, good shot, good shot. Maybe the Heater are

(05:16):
a team of destiny. Maybe they are.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, you certainly have that right, the guts to take
the shot. If it goes awry, well then it's a
why didn't Jimmy Butler have the ball? Why didn't bam
Adebio call for it? Or let's call it what it is.
There'd be more praise of the Celtics doing a good
job defensively to force the shot. By game Vincent, you
know how this works. Everybody's waiting to get back in

(05:40):
the good side of Boston and have a big story,
especially with the game that Jason Tatum had because the
odd even kind of thing going on that he has
in terms of his scoring and productivity right game six
now Game two, all of those things that we're looking for.
But for Gabe Vincent, go look at his shot chart.

(06:03):
A couple of really bad decisions. You know, the two
point shot that's just inside the arc, missus h two
miss threes, one make, and then the shot that he
hit was about five feet directly in front of the
one three pointer that he made in his other six shots.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I heard the exasperation in your voice when it went down, like,
come on, really, that's it.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's the shot. I'm like, are you are you? Are
you kidding?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean really that I was like, You've gotta beat up.
Like even look on Tatum's face when that shot. It's like,
come on, man, really, like what what? Like Like the
the the Yoka shot at the end of the third
quarter when Ad was on him in Game one, Yeah,
and that gave him a fourteen point lead and it
was thirty feet you just threw it up and AD's
just smiling going up the car, Like what the hell, man,

(06:56):
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Man?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, you're you're a team of destiny. What a team
of destiny you are? So that's the other thing. Now,
the other thing is is a bigger deal and it
gets I feel weird talking about it, But with Jimmy Butler,
it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
There's NBA players, anybody who plays professional sports. You know
the professionalism they bring because you have to be a professional,
be able to succeed at this level. Right, we have
this image of player that go out there, but no,
you have to exude professionalism and many things are overrated.
Emotion is usually overrated. Getting mad to win a game

(07:33):
is usually overrated. We have to play hard, you know,
a lot of that stuff is overrated. But certain guys
are players you don't want to wake up. And these
are players that either of us, you and I, when
we've played sports in our life, there's that player who
that we played against, whether it's in football or hockey
or softball, where you're playing against them and you just

(07:56):
don't want to wake them up. You don't want to
poke the bear because they're just out there playing and
they're and they're playing, but then you piss them off.
Something happens suddenly it's okay. Now I'm gonna really show
you something, right.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You see that.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
We see that in in Beer league, softball and hockey
and everything else. But it's a thing for Jimmy Butler. Man,
it is a thing for Jimmy Butler. And Grant Williams
hit this three to give the Celtics a ninety six
eighty seven lead in the fourth quarter, and this actually
turned out to be the turning point of the game,
except in the other direction. Take a listen, Ruins the Funds,

(08:34):
Butler a bumper, the grand the gyration, two in the five.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Henny's cut or no.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
After that three by Grant Williams.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
He was having words with Jimmy Butler on the way down.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So there it is Reggie, Reggie Miller, Kevin Harlan, the
Gang on TNT.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
With the call, the grind, the gyration. For Grant Williams.
He got into the game today and played twenty six minutes.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
He did, he did, and he and he hits, he
hits a shot and he starts jawn at Jimmy.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Butler, that's a bear you do not want to bo.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And he starts right in his face, going back down
the floor after he hits that shot to give him
a ninety.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Six eighty seven lead.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, so there's a shot with six thirty seven
left to go in the game. Go ahead, Frostburg, six
thirty seven left to go in the.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Game, thirty seven shut up.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
In the next four minutes, Jimmy Butler racked off nine points,
including a three point play and a jumper with two
minutes left to go to give the Heat a two
point lead they never relinquished. I mean, Jimmy, Jimmy Butler
was just having an It wasn't having a playoff Jimmy
type night.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Up until that point in the game. He had eighteen
and he.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Was having an okay game. But this wasn't a game.
Look at Jimmy Butler. He's got thirty five, he's got forty.
This wasn't a playoff Jimmy Knight. But you you hit
that shot and you get in Jimmy Butler's face, and
the next three and a half minutes he scores nine
points and you go from down from up nine to
down two.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Why would you do that? I mean it, Butler's a
different guy. Man.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You can do it to a lot of players and
they're gonna play the same and you know it's gonna
pump you up whatever. But you do that to Butler
and you know it. And that's one of the reasons
why I don't think Jimmy Butler gets the credit that
he deserves. Because during the season, he's a guy that
is a twenty point a game score. That's who he
is for his career, scores twenty twenty two points a game.
But in the playoffs, when you get him riled up

(10:39):
and you get him motivated, this is why you get
playoff Jimmy. Right, He's someone that has one level of
play during the season, whether it's because hey, I just
can't find the way. I need something to motivate myself.
I just can't go out there and play eighty two
games or sixty five games or seventy games and going
with the kind of excellence you'd see Kobe Bryant who
wanted to go out there and score fifty every night.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
He's not that kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
But when when when the money's on the table or
something happens in the playoffs, suddenly he turns into one
of the biggest clutch players we've seen in recent NBA history.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Why would you do that.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I don't understand. And you know this about Jimmy Butler,
why would you wake him up? And that's exactly what
the Celtics did. It's exactly what Williams did, getting in
Jimmy Butler's face. And there's no coincidence that after that
play we're up nine, we're feeling good. Boom Butler comes
up with nine points and now they're up to with
two and a half left to go, and the game
is over at that point.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
But you know he's a guy that when he's there,
you know on the on the court that he's both ends.
You're getting full tilt play and in this case less
in the scoring column. But you know he dotted everything
in your your stats if you go into the box score,
and certainly as you're watching it right, a couple three
more steals to go with his six from game one,

(11:52):
eight boards, six assists, and was huge getting the ball
down low and getting at a bio involved and and
kicking out as as the double came. But in that moment,
like then Aali LaForce interview after the game, uh, certainly
she dove in and asked him about that exchange, and
he just smiled. He goes, it's nice, healthy, friendly competition,

(12:16):
and it got it really ramped up there. You know,
I just gotta saying, hey, you know that that's that
was a moment that you know, and the smile got big,
not that he was wasn't smiling, right. He went over
to Ludacris right away after the game, shaking hands, going
into the crowd and everything else before doing the interview
and just knows, hey, we we came in and we

(12:37):
kicked him in the teeth twice on their home court.
And if someone that comes in off the bench wants
to get chirpy, yeah, we we were a team that'll answer.
And you know, the first thing he said, what is
it about? When LaForce asked what is it about? The squad?
He goes, the dogs right, and come, we grind at
the end of games. You got everybody's committed to what

(12:58):
we're doing, like and and that shouldn't be understated in
an age where we talk about two men or three
man teams and then wishing, wanting, hoping that the role
players figure out how they fit or that they will
miraculously step up if they do have a Gabe Vincent
like moment. Right, A lot of teams, you don't have
that guy, or you're hoping that someone will be able

(13:21):
to do that and deliver for the heat. Look at
the guys they've lost injury. It's just Hey, you're in
on this squad for a reason.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
So little.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
I liked when they went and did the shot of
pat Riley over there in the final minutes, like, yeah,
continuity matters and having an attitude with Spolster and company
and a guy leading the charge like Jimmy Butler is
still going to be forever salty that he didn't play
his entire career in Chicago, but here we are.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
You don't poke the bear, especially just he's one of
those guys and you don't do it.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And for some reason, Grant Williams does it. And now
here you are. You go from up nine, you're down
to it's over. Yeah, I think that covers Hey, let's
get shut up. Make sure I get in Jimmy Butler's face.
Some guys are just different, and I'm stunned. The Celtics
did that, and they got exactly what you thought you'd get.
When playoff Jimmy stepped up in a close game, Jason, Yeah,

(14:15):
they yeah, close. Joe Mizzoula has to answer, Oh, yes,
he's a bad coach again. Joe Mizula is a bad
coach again. Now he's a bad He was a good
good for a while, now he's No. But he would
go up and down. No, he was a good coach
and they knocked out the Sixers. No, but now he's
a bad coach. No, no, no, no, he was just a yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, well, I mean, okay, all right, I'll give you that.
I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
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He beat the Celtics one eleven, one oh five. We'll
have more on the Eastern Conference Finals coming up in
a bit. And oh, by the way, we could see
the big change the NBA All Star Game. Yeah today,

(15:08):
look the biggest story of the day.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
We talked about it with Jason Cole. Last hour of
the show.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Jim Brown, the greatest running back of all time and
one of the greatest athletes that we've ever seen play
in American sports. Died at the age of eighty seven.
He is someone who was so gifted at many sports.
Some people say he's the greatest lacrosse player of all time.
Lacrosse was his favorite sport. He once said, I wish
I could play lacrosse six days a week and football

(15:35):
one day. One of the biggest athletes turned actors, whether
it was Dirty Dozen or whether it was We talked
about Jason Cole mentioning him in Sleepless in Seattle, and
they mentioned Fireball in The Running Man last season as losers.
He had some kind of life and a very complicated

(15:55):
legacy because the guy had had issues with women that
came on throughout all the other good things that he
did with his advocacy.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
But this is not one of those stories.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
This is this is a story that believe it or not,
I don't know that I'm doing what I do for
a living if it wasn't for Jim Brown.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You ready for this, Mike?

Speaker 4 (16:15):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
This this story involves my campus radio station, sneaking into
a room I shouldn't have snuck into, and a bank robbery.
Oh and Jim Brown, you ready you're ready for Wait,
bank robbery or mail robbery. No, no, no, bankron. No,
bank ron wasn't me, and it wasn't Jim Brown.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
It was not. But bank robbery has to do at
the end of the story. Trust me. Trust me. So
I'm a sophomore.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
At Syracuse and I go to Syracuse to do communications
and I really want to do I want to, you know,
be on TV and radio and all this kind of stuff.
And I the first assignment I got when I went
to the campus radio station because they had a thing
w JPZ where I wound up doing the morning show
for years. First thing they ever had I ever got

(17:00):
an assignment for us. I said, well, I want to
do sports. So I went into the sports department. They said, okay,
what are you doing on Saturday? And I'm like nothing,
and they said, okay, Jim Brown is coming. He's going
to be on campus and he's going to be signing
autographs and appearing at the Student Center, the big Student
Union and at Syracuse because it was we're doing a
year long celebration of Syracuse as it was their one

(17:21):
hundredth year playing football. Right, So it's like nineteen eighty
nine or ninety nine for I think it's nineteen eighty nine,
so they're doing a whole big year part of the year,
you know, on hundred years of Syracuse football. I said, Okay, great,
he's doing it. He's signing autographs at the student union.
Go down there, interview him, talk to him, and bring
this soundback and we'll edit it and put it on
the air. I'm like, great. I'm like, I can't believe
they let me do this. The reason let me do
it is because it was Saturday at noon. Who the

(17:43):
hell wanted to do anything in college Saturday at noon,
even if it was interviewing Jim Brown. Most of the
guys said, yeah, I'm still gonna be sleeping man, because
I'm gonna sleep it off that bender that I'm gonna
be on from Friday afternoon. So they sent me down
and I have my recorder right that my mom bought
for me for Christmas, and oh my god, I had
that quarter for so long, his little tiny recorder. So
I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I have

(18:04):
no idea what the hell I'm doing. So I go
down to the student Union and I get in line
where of the of he was signing books. I think
because he was right. He had just written a book,
so he was signing books, signing autographs. So I get
in the autograph book line and I have and I
have my recorder with me. I go, I guess I
walk up and start asking him questions. So I'm waiting
a lot of people signing their books. Okay, great, I

(18:25):
get in front of go hi, Jim Jason Smith's the
eighty nine. I just wanted to ask a few questions
about ask you football what it means to you, you know,
in one hundred year anniversary. And I hit record, and
Jim Brown looks at me and goes uh. And he
looks to the side to whoever was you know running
you know, running the situation, and the guy got you know,
the nicest guy world says, hey, Jim's going to be

(18:46):
doing a press after he signs the books.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Here.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I said, oh, okay, great, I'll wait. So I take
my recorder. I go, I go, okay, wait. So I
go stand there and there and wait. I got in
line in the autograph line. I just got hey in
a book doing No. I didn't get a book. I
should have got a book.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I wasn't that worldly to go, Oh, I buy the book,
and I sneak in line and I do the interview.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
No, but I mean just said you were there. Hey,
can I buy a book?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Then don't I get a free cop? I free copy? Right,
I'm cried. I get a freak copy.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
So I talk about it on the air.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I mean, I'm like, I can't. I still to this day,
I can't believe I did. I can still remember walking
in line, walking up, turning the recorder on.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Hey, Jim's what do you feel su football? After a
hunk years? And he looks at me like what the
hell is wrong.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
With try and grab his hand and hold it for
like seven.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
No, No, I did not. I did not, Now you
Jim is like the truth. Jim is like fifty.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Two fifty three at this point, right, So it is like,
cause I'm going back and not trying to figure out
what it was today. I'm just saying, you know, like
maybe at fifty three I could have taken him, me
being eighteen nineteen year.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Met well, I don't know. I think up until the
last time four years you might have been able to
h he would have been able to take you.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I could have attacked him on the table I could
have got. So they say sit to the side, and
he'll be asking. I'll say okay, great, and then all
of us sudden I see the ra, one of the
ras from my resident advisor from my building, and she's
there with a bunch of other people and she's got
signs and they all have signs that say answer the question,
Answer the question. And I'm like, what's going on? So

(20:13):
I walk up to it and I go, Hey, what
are you guys doing here? They go, oh, we're here.
We're protesting Jim being here because he made some he
made some comments in an interview that aired in the
Syracuse that ran the Syracuse Post Standard the newspaper last week,
that we want him to to talk about and I
forget and it's so long ago, and the rest of
the story. I forget what it was that he said

(20:35):
it was. I don't know what it was. I don't
know if it was something that was about the school
it was about I forget what it was. But this
group of people there was kind of and they were
there and they were gonna talk to Jim. They wanted
to protest, so they got signs up and I'm going, wow,
this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
So I call the radio station. I go, hey, I
got a story. I think I got a story here.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And the guy, the guy running the news desk that
day was the assistant news director, and he's like, yeah, what,
And I go, there's a protest going on here about
Jim Brown there, upset about some stuff he said that
aired in the Syracuse Post Standard.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
And they said, all right, well stay down there and
let me know what happens.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I said, all right, great, So I'm down there and
they and it becomes a thing now because now people
are walking in and this this protest is getting a
bit larger, just like maybe you know, at first there
was like three or five people. Now there's like ten
or twelve. Now there's twenty people with signs, and twenty
people with signs on a college Campag's like, okay, wow,
this is insane.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
So I'm like, I don't know what. I don't know
what's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So I'm just hanging out waiting to see what goes
on because all I have is a stinking recorder with me,
and so I interview. I interviewed my Ra and I
asked her why are you here? Because I knew I
needed to do that and I interview a couple of people,
and I wish I could remember this specific thing, but
it was in any event, this winds up getting solid.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
But it was related to the university.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was, Yeah, it was related to something. I don't
know what it was.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I really don't remember what it was, but it was
something he said, and it wound up being taken care
of in the end. But it's the journey that gets there.
So I'm like, okay, So I don't know what's happening
right now. So I do the interview and I call
back and to go, and now I got to find
a payphone, right because this is nineteen eighty nine. So
I go back to the payphone to call the news
desk at the station, and it's the assistant news director

(22:16):
and he says, hey, I go, hey, I got some here.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I got my ra who was in on it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I got a couple of people like all right, we'll
get back there and figure out maybe we'll get to
talk to Jim when it's over. So I'm like, okay,
So I go back there, and I get back there
right as it's broken up, and I go, what happened?
So I go to the guy who told me to
step out of line and not interview Jim Brown.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I go, what happened?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
He goes, I think Jim is going with that group
and they're going to go to a room and they're
going to talk about what's going on.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And I said, oh okay.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So I run out and I'm looking and now I'm
following Jim Brown, who was walking with all of these
people with their with their signs, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Going, oh, okay, this is all right, I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
So they go into this room and then to sit down,
like this all purpose room that was just off of
the student union, and I'm sitting there, going do I
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Do I wait outside? Do I go in? What do
I do? I'm gonna go in, so I got to
after it coming.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I just go in and I sit down and it's
Jim and he's talking with all these these people. There's
like twenty kids there, and I'm going, Wow, this is
really interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'm going I should record this.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
So I take my recorder out and I put it
on my lap and I hit record, and I'm like,
I don't know if I should be doing it, but
what am I gonna do?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Not do it? Because I could just see myself getting
back to.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
The station, and the assistant news director goes, wait, how
come you hit't record it? I'm going out, So I
take it out. I very slyly take it out, put
it on my thigh, and I hit requietly right, and
I put it on my cr well, because they're all
sitting in a circle, and I'm sitting in the circle
behind and they just let me walk in and sit down,
and and and Jim and and the and the the
people talk and they solve it after about ten or

(23:52):
twelve minutes of talking, and and they understand and they
and they walk out and it and and and and
Jim Brown is there, and I'm standing and I let
him walk out, and I go, well, now I got
to talk to him, so now I walk over, So
now we'll go over. I go, hey, Jim Jason Smith
w JPZ, can you tell me about what you guys
talked about here? He goes, well, I remember that. I
remember the quote him saying, well, young man, I think
we all learned a lot about each other today, and

(24:14):
and and they learned about me, and I learned about them,
and we have a greater understanding of each other.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know aft after this.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And again I wish I could remember what it was about,
but I can't because we have a great understanding about this.
I said, okay, great, and Jim Brown leaves and I'm
like okay. And right after this, like ninety five minutes later,
the the the stage, the TV stations from Syracuse there
and the newspaper get there and they're looking for Jim
Brown and they can't find him because he left, right
He's not gonna be a run. So there there, you know,

(24:42):
there's all the sweaty camera there, and I'm going I
interviewed him. I go, oh, man, and and people are saying, hey,
where did Jim go?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And I go, oh, he left, he goes anybody talked
to me? I go, yeah, I did. They're like, who
were you?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I go, Hi, Jason Smith. W JPZ like can we
get some of your sound? Can we can we get that?
And I go, I don't know. Let me go back
and see what I have to do with the station first.
They're like okay, and I leave, and I'm going, I'm
the only guy that's got this.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
So so I kind of knew what a scoop was
a little bit, so I go back in, and now
everybody is in the is in the radio station because
now the Jim Brown thing is going off on the
wires and stuff happened protest at Syracuse University. And I'm going,
I'm in on this bag. And now I'm like flying.
I am flying because now I'm like, oh man, now
I get what it was like. This is why I
wanted to do it, because it's a moment like this.

(25:30):
So I come in, they go, they go tell me,
and the first thing was out of a movie that
assist news directions. Tell me you got an interview with
Jim Brown. I go, yeah, I got him right here
and there. I show my recorder and they were looking
at it like it had a light on it, like
it was just glowing. I'm like, oh my god. And
it didn't matter what he said because nobody else had
a comment on it. So I'm like, this is awesome.
So I get it and they put it on. They

(25:51):
run it on on on Z eighty nine and everything else,
and of course, you know, they.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Pick up the the.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Comments and the paper and everything. I'm like, this is
a big deal, and they go, hey, this is probably
gonna go out on the Associated Press and I'm like, oh, great,
and I don't know what the hell that means. I'm like,
as associated press, I don't know. Then I found out.
One of my friends told me, says, dude, this means
it's going to be like a story across the country.
I said, you're kidding you, Yeah, dude, it's a protest.
Jim Brown's the greatest riots, and I know Jim Brown's great. Yeah, Jason, Yeah,

(26:20):
But I was still Jason Smith at this point. I
wasn't on I wasn't on the radio yet. I was
on the radios as an as a host. Right, So
here's where the story gets a little weird. If it's
not weird already.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Well, I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's probably gonna go out an Associated Press. It was
such a big deal. I called my mom and I
told her what happened. And I told and I told
my grandparents what happened. And of course my grandfather is
telling this story for like the next two months.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
My son handled Jim Brown in an interview. You know,
my grandson up at Syracuse.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, he handled it. People are asked me, how did
you handle Jim Brown. I'm like, well, I walked up
and I asked him a question. So anyway, So now
I figured this is gonna be a big story. It's
gonna get picked up off the Associated Press, and it's big.
The bells are ringing in the station everything. I'm like,
oh my god. So I finish and I go, is
there anything else to if? They go no, but definitely
get ready. They're gonna want to talk to you tomorrow
for the campus show here on the radio station. Everything

(27:08):
else that they probably want to talk to you at
the campus newspaper, the Daily Yards And okay, great, we'll
give me your inful. I'm like awesome, Like hey, I'm
a scoop, I'm an ACE reporter.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Now this is great. So I go.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
So I go back and and they they they call
me to be on the radio the next day.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I'm like, yeah, this is great. And that was it.
I didn't get they other call, and I'm going, oh,
I thought they would call me. And then I find
out that someone.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Robbed the bank on campus, like an.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Hour and a half after the Jim Brown stuff happened.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Somebody robbed the bank on campus, and I'm like, what,
try to know this? And the assistant news director who
was there went down and got interviews with the people
who were there at the bank and everything else. And I, again,
I don't remember the details on that, but all of
a sudden, you know that's that.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know that that's this story. And I'm going.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I didn't find this out till the next day,
and everybody saying, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
There's two great story, those two, unbelieve not great stories. Obviously.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean to say that all these two stories of
Jim Brown and the bank robbery and everything else, and
I look and what goes out over the Associated Press
was the bank robbery story. And I'm going and I
and I didn't think about it and then but that
was my first that was my first uh inkling of Hey,
media is a tough business, because I never I never
knew for sure. But in years after, I thought there

(28:23):
were two big stories. And the guy and the news director,
the guy that was working and then he left to
go cover the bank story. He made sure that went
out on the Associated Press, and the Jim Brown stuff
didn't because they couldn't put everything out on it. So
it was back in the days where if you had
a story, you said it and you would you didn't
send a whole bunch. They decided, I think to send
the gym, to send the bank robbery one instead of

(28:44):
the Jim Brown story. And I'm going, hmm, okay, And
if I remember right, the bank robbery, it ended, as
you know, probably as well as a bank robbery. I
don't think anybody was injured, anybody was hurt. Again, I'm
going back, this is thirty some odd years ago, but
it was a thing that you know, didn't really happen.
And so this story goes out and it's like, oh yeah.
And so the next day, you know, then this guy's
all talking about that story, and I'm going, what about

(29:07):
my Jim Brown story?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
What? What about my Jim Brown story? That I was?
That was? That was that was that was a big
That was the only one to talk to Jim Brown.
I was the only one to talk to him. I understand.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
And now in retrospect, I can get that it was
a it was a story, but it was solved, moved
on and here's a developing story and open and I
don't I don't know what the what the news director
really did. Did he push my story out? I mean,
I have no idea, but that day I still think
about the excitement of that day knowing I was in
the middle of a big story, and I was in

(29:39):
this room, and I was and I'm just hanging out
and I was recording something. Probably luckily we couldn't use
the sound from the room recording because you couldn't hear it,
so I would have had to walk up to Jim
and just put the mic up to him, which I
wasn't gonna do so, But I just remember the excitement
and the energy of that day and how and just
how I thought, Yeah, this is yeah, No, I'm in now,
like that was the first thing I have forgot to do.

(30:01):
And if I didn't get to do anything, who knows
what I would have done. But right after that, like
now I'm like, yes, communications Radio TI, this is what
I want.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
This is fantastic, this is adrenaline. Buzz I got man.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
That story also gave us a great drop for Tyscher
to use forever. I don't know what the hell I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I used to see Jim Brown all the time when
I lived in uh Niskayuna, because he was always traveling
through the the Albany Airport. Almost every time I flew out,
I ran into him.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Oh way, mister Brown, good to see you again, Hey, Harmon,
how you doing.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
We talk about games and you know, whatever he did
while he was in town, and that was it always,
you know, everybody looking to line up to grab a picture,
which the people that were with him was were never
too happy to have so but but yeah, that's a
great story. Do you still have that audio?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Did you know? Was it?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Did it survive?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I wish I still had I remember what he said,
but I wish I still had the audio.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I would still had that recorder. It was one of
those little those little things, like the.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Little tiny tape that you put in there and the
little cassette that recorded you would record.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
That I am.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I wish I had I had the story I had
at Mike Harmon.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I was an ace reporter.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I need one of those jaunty hats and we're in
like a short tie and a jacket like I was.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
In the nineteen twenties. Hey look at me, I'm an
Easter reporter.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh without without Jim Brown, I don't know that I'm
doing what I'm doing for a living. I really, I
think I think back to that day a lot, and
that was I mean today you're doing a lot, obviously,
and uh just I mean, hopefully other details come.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
To me that I remember, but again, this is like
thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (31:42):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon Hobo.
We'll have more on the Heat and the Celtics coming
up in about ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Heat Take Game two one eleven, one oh five.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
But there could be some big changes coming to the
NBA All Star Game. Shams, Ronnie, a couple other people
having the story tonight that the NBA is looking into
going back to the Eastern Conference versus Western Conference format
that they used to have for so long before they
started changing it up. And the the reason they're gonna

(32:18):
throw out there is we want to get back to
more competitive game because once we've had people drafting their
friends as the game as competitives need to be. We've
heard the complaints and yeah, you know, I get it,
but suddenly East and West it's going to get back
to being competitive.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Just disrespect to Nikola Jokicic is real.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
This is this is just the reason this is happening
is because This is just what all Star games are
now every year in the NBA and the NHL did
it for a long time in the NFL with the
Pro Bowl. You're at the point where if you don't
get something new, they're worried that no one's gonna watch. Right,

(32:59):
the heyday of the All Star Game is long gone.
We don't watch like we used to it every years
a little bit less, little bit less. And all the
leagues try to do is just stop the the the
leeching of people away. Let's try to keep whatever audience
we can. Best way to do it, Let's give them
something new, something new and crazy every year. And so
that's why they do something new and crazy every year,
thinking oh I've not seen this, I'll try it. Now

(33:21):
they're up to let's go back to the way the
All Star Game was. Maybe people are gonna watch it again.
We'll go back and then if that, they'll be doing
something else next year, the year of tod That's just
what it is right now. It's stunt casting to get
people to continue to watch All Star games. That's what
the NBA is doing.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
No, And I think that's the way to go, man,
is you know, keep shuffling it up. I mean, folks,
the tradition's out the window. I mean in all sports.
Let's just cancel any of that conversation anymore. It's like, oh,
what are you doing? Like we've changed everything else. Baseball
they changed up a million rules today for this year.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Right what happened?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Games are shorter, Attendance is much higher. I'm curious as
to you know how much of that is correlation versus
happenstance or you know, people showing up in venues where
maybe they used to not. I mean how much his
attendance up in Tampa, uh, and in places where they've
been more competitive and better off the jump than in

(34:18):
the past. Not that Tampa doesn't win their ninety games,
but Pittsburgh got off to a good start. Did they
have a higher attendance? Maybe that accounts for some of it.
But for the NBA and the All Star Game, yeah,
shuffle it up, change up how the teams are set up.
Bring in more of the veteran and legacy plays. I'm
looking at Magic Johnson on my screen right now. Have

(34:38):
him coach a team. He's done it before.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
The Knicks.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Can we can get to Nick Jalen Brunston will be
in every year for the next ten years.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
It can change it all.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
They want no knicks and then.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Beatlell be into when he becomes a nick in a
couple months. More of the eating the Celtics.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
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