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Jason and Mike remember the late and great Jim Brown as he passed away earlier today, the ending of Game 2 of the Heat and The Celtics Game 2 as the Heat take a commanding 2-0 lead, and so much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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(00:53):
been a big night. We have a close one that
everybody is keeping the rye and by that I mean,
of course, the Mets and the Guardian. After Pete Alonzo's
Grand slam, yig anybody seven.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
At seventeen on the year, you look at the home
run battle happening in New York between Aaron Judge and
Peter Alonso. Yeah, but well, Aaron Judge is the guy
that we're keep on, you know, giving a little side
eye to you. Got hey, you go wash your hands.
That's the controversy of the day off the mound. But

(01:26):
Pete Alonzo give it everybody a thrill. Good to hear
you back in fine form, ready for a big Friday
night as Jimmy Butler and company look to dominate.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
H this final stretch. How you doing well?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Now, I was doing great until ten seconds ago until
Drew Smith just gave a two run dinger and now
we're losing nine to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Oh. I spoke it into existence.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Figured the longer I spoke and didn't let you put
positivity out there for the Mets, the better it was
for us.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
There's no positivity.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, I mean, you know, it's it's all about you know,
we're a family. Yeah, you're on a Friday night and
we were worried about Smith a bit yesterday because he
was here to watch Lebron James fail.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm telling him yesterday yesterday was weird and I was.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
And the thing is, I felt fine, but I woke
up yesterday morning and all of a sudden, my voice
it was like it was I just couldn't have any
power behind it.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I was like, what is happening. I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Were you singing Danzig late late into the night on
Wednesdays so you couldn't recover?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, it's weird, Like it felt like it was strange
because like I had a little bit of trouble breathing
and but not too much, but my voice was kind
of like like the most power I could get was
like this, and I didn't understand, and I'm like, I
don't know what's going on. So I spent the morning
I text you guys that hey, something's wrong with my voice.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I don't know what is. I gotta get checked out well,
because now it's allergy season.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I had just started, like the night before, a new
steroid that I take sometimes orally. I would never pass
a drug test now you know, the deals with deals
with my with my allergies and stuff. Because the combination
aalergies and the pollen in the air and everything else.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
Dude, you're on steroids.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
It was oh yeah, dude, I admit it, completely admitted
that was me. I'm very signed to a contract. Let's
go very unlike the baseball guys. Oh no, I'm on them.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Here, I'll show you right here. I got the prescription
right here. Here, here's the doctor's signature. I got it
written righty Oh, I'm all over it.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
The only guy that ever did any of it was
Andy Peennett, and then nobody cared about him.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, well come on, yeah, everybody else. I got
busted everybody else.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
People forget about Andy White because we had Clemmons and
we had Paul Marrow, and we had sots that we
had maque and it was very strange. And so what
happened is it was it was it was a bad
steroid that I'm not going to take anymore obviously, and
it gave it like dried out my throat and constricted it,
so my voice is gonna be like that, and the
and and they said, look, it'll come back really soon,

(03:52):
at some point in the next you know, the next
day or so, it should come back. And I was like, okay,
they said, just don't take it anymore. We'll give you
something new. And I'm like, all right, that's fine. And
it was just really weird. And then like middle of
the night. Let like maybe nine ten o'clock last night,
it started to get a little bit better, and I'm like, okay,
I started to feel now a little bit. And then
when I woke up this morning, I was about like
eighty five percent. That's when I said, hey, guys, I'm

(04:14):
like eighty five percent.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think I'm good.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And then by the time it was like two thirty two,
two thirty this after and I'm like, okay, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Now I'm good, I'm all right.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was weird, very just I couldn't I couldn't get
any but like that was like it it was like
it was like the power.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
It's like, oh my God, Like what is what's going on?
Sometimes that'll happen.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
You know, you use your instrument as often as you do,
and I know you do a lot of car singing.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm guilty of it.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So by the end of it, you know, even if
it's in thirty seconds, but if you're changing songs like
I do, you gotta go up and down and register
to match the song that's on the radio, which means
you're getting a workout.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Zoe said to me, Dad, do you think it was
because of that one voice you were doing? Last night
and I go which one and she said the one
where you got where the guy was talking like.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
This, like, oh my super Dave Osborne. Maybe maybe what
I'm like, No, this is kisses. He still listens to
what you have to say. I never did. Well, they'll
never come around.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
They come around on steroids. I'd hate to see him off.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, hey, man, listen, I I know I controlled. My
temper is fine, everything is okay. I've been unstaged. I'll
just tell your.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Royal roid rage. Damn you and your two run home
run you about you, Jery. No, I've been. It's not
Lindor's fault tonight. No, I've been.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
I don't know you went.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
After him the other day. I sure you might have
seen a little bit of crack. You've been able to
hold off?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, no, no, I would no, no, no, but I've
been on and I can tell you this point. I'm
never gonna I'll be illegal forever now. No, I've been
on and off steroids, probably for the majority of my
life because of my allergies. Take him there, Oh sure
he does. Hey, he signed when he signed the contract,
I knew he knew I was. Hey, I listened to
like something I should have been apprized of if I'm
gonna bess in a studio with you all the time

(06:00):
that radio and listen at Scotch Piro manager said, listen,
I'm gonna look away, pretend you never said that. You
sign right here and everything is good, And I said, okay,
you're can have taken a baseball bat to me at
any point. No, that would have had no knowledge. Think
about the damages that I could sue for. I'm no,
I would just worry that people were still ca But
you know he wouldn't. I mean, he's enhances a radio performing.

(06:21):
He wouldn't be that good on the radio if he
didn't have steroids. And now suddenly my entire legacy would
be in question.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Now you know what did the in the intensity that
you bring, the hot takes and the I told you shows,
it's all there.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I did my best yesterday because I took a baseball
bat to Lebron James.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Last night in theory on the radio rather on the radio.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, picture you say that verbal verbally very good? Yes, No,
I got a couple of good I told you sos tonight. No,
that's gonna be fun. I got a couple of fun ones.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
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Speaker 4 (07:08):
So so truth, yeah, yes or no.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Frostburg missed me last night when the Lakers were losing, losing, losing,
and then when they lost, really missed me on the
air talking about the Lakers being down to zip. Well,
we had Arnie who kept telling me during the course
of the game that you know, they were gonna win
going away, and then they were gonna sweep the rest
of the series. And I'm like, buddy, come down, come down.

(07:32):
They keep chucking up three point shots. This is a
last night that was a lot of threatna, but you
have to take them. Like sure, guys that actually can
shoot threes should take threes. Guys who cannot should not things.
But we Lakers don't have that many of those guys, Mike,
you know, but that's what many weeks, that's my point.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know, what if Austin Reeves is gonna chuck a
couple up. Yeah, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
But when in the in the fourth quarter, I got
lebron and I got it Anthony Davis deciding, hey, let's
play play long distance and it ain't gonna work.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
But no, Frostburg, I don't. I don't think he missed
you terribly much.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I did make sure that I got at least one
Lakers are back in late in the show because I
felt like I was losing them a little bit. It
was before which missed shot. Did you get a Lakers
or back bronze Smiths after the game?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
It was after the game because it's you know, they
held Look, Denver held serve, right, that's the message that
you take from it. We'll get into Michael Malone and
Mike and everything.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
He had to come on, man, Michael Malone, it's like
he thinks the Nuggets won the championship last.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Night, like you forget about hold on. No, he thinks
they won the title after last night.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
But well he also, you know, it was really pesky
and testy getting out of Game one. But uh yeah,
I think that, you know, for for the crew yesterday,
I know there was a bit of deflation, a lot
of cursing at the officials. I mean it was really
an active time in and around the studio yesterday. You

(09:07):
missed a lot of energy. If we could have bottled that,
we might have been able to run a bunch of
cars on the phone. I mean that that's how much
energy there was. Okay, that game, not to mention the
four overtime game in the NHL.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
No.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Literally, we signed off.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
We signed off about twenty seconds before that.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Goal was scored. Oh man, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Mallard and our guy Eddie Garcia, big hockey fan, right,
and it's like, all right, well, you know, just a
few seconds left and we'll be going to the fifth
and then oh then then you get.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, I'm watching that game, going if we if we
don't win this game, we're not gonna win the cup.
Because I'm like, we're gonna win. We're the best team left.
We're the best team left. We were, and we lose
this game, we're not gonna win the cup.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, but you might get the Whalers back.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
We thought that it might be good, you know, that
might get a happy ending out of all of it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay, I kind of get what you're saying, and that's
absolutely fine. I kind of get what you're saying. I
choose my words character. I knew exactly what I said. Meanwhile,
so we're gonna get into big time into the Lakers
and the Nuggets coming up in a couple minutes. But
right now, Game two of the Eastern Conference Final, we
are nearing the end of the third quarter. It is
the Celtics on top of the Heat, eighty two seventy five.

(10:19):
They had a big run, a big ten oh run
a few minutes ago, fuel by Jason Tatum who's now
at twenty nine and thirteen boards for the night. He
is having a huge night for the Celtics. Meanwhile, for
the Heat, Jimmy Butler's got eighteen. But leading the way
what everybody thought was gonna happen, Caleb Martin, he is
the Yeah, I score the game for the Heat. He's

(10:41):
got twenty one off the bench as the Heat are
staying in this down eight near the end of the
third quarter. And look, we talk about must wins, and
here that this is an absolute must win for the Celtics,
And when I picked the Celtics the beginning of the series,
it was pretty simple for me because it came down
to look, both of these teams are flawed. The Celtics
are a much better regular season team, but here we

(11:02):
are on the Eastern Conference Finals. You throw a lot
of that out, and to me, it comes down to
the Celtics have two big time stars in Tatum and Brown,
and they heat have Jimmy Butler. So when it comes
down to that, I'm gonna go with the team with
two stars. That's why I picked the Celtics in seven.
In a topsy turvy series where the level of play
is gonna look great one minute and awful the next,
and teams are gonna look great in one quarter and

(11:24):
awful the next quarter, and that's how it's gonna go.
It's gonna be messy. No one's gonna understand why their
team isn't playing well, why they can't gel, why they
can't just put two good games together in a row.
So that's why I went with the Celtics, and so
far tonight, Jason Tatum's backing me up on this.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, it is kind of the story of these NBA playoffs.
Bed goes up, that goes down, bed goes up, that
goes down. Right, Anthony Davis Game one, Big stats yesterday,
not so much for the Lakers. You look at this series,
Jason Sam has been a game of runs, right. You
had two nineteen to two runs. Celtics did it first

(12:00):
with Butler on the bench for part of it, and
then the heat with the huge comeback at the end
of the second quarter. You mentioned the effort off the bench.
Right now, the stat that stands out for me is
that Kyle Lowry's played eleven minutes, He's got zero points,
and he's minus twenty three, minus twenty three.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He's not happy with the refu either.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
He is chirping at the rev like he is chirping
at the refs like Aaron Judge, and he needs to
look at him and go, hey, dude, why are.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
You chirping at the ref so much? He is not happy.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, he's got four assists, but yeah, they've been relying
on him to give them some points. Martin has certainly
picked up nine to fourteen, three of seven from three
point range. Kevin Love in his fifteen minutes he's got
zero points as well. More just a big body trying
to clog things up. But when we look at the

(12:52):
break of this, it's well, if this is close in
the fourth quarter, do I trust the Celtics and the
entwer is no and at home the last couple of seasons,
they're a five hundred team in the playoffs. Tatum having
a monster game today after you know, getting dismissed a bit,
that's great. Where's the level of consistency? And Jalen Brown
that jump shot is broken? Take the ball to the rack.

(13:15):
Much like we were yelling a lot yesterday watching the
Lakers settle and tired legs, old legs. I hear all
of it, but you've got the effectiveness of getting to
the foul line. Guess what that is three minutes to
stand there and get a little bit of rest.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
It's built in breaks. Brown just six of eighteen from.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
The field Tonight's got thirteen points and he's minus ten
on the night, so really struggling. You would have expected
more out of him, you know, as your robin to
the batman, so Brogden and White needing to pick up
the slack for him. It's fun at the end of three.
Give me an inside of four minutes, because I know
if it's seven or less, Celtics go down.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
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Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, the Boston Celtics found a way to give away
a huge lead in the fourth quarter. The Heat outscore
the Celtics thirty six to twenty two in the fourth.
They win Game two one eleven to one oh five.
They are going home with a two games to none
lead in the Eastern Conference Finals. The Heat the eight

(14:31):
seed would be the first eight seed if they win.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Mike Harman, if they go on to finish this series.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
My eight seed to make the NBA finals since who
wellz well.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Chick that Heat did it? Since the Knicks in nineteen
ninety nine didn't count.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
That was a shortened season.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
It was a shortened seed. Yes, it was a shortened
season because of the strike. But the last eight seed
to make the NBA Finals were the Knicks. They lost
to the Spurs. It was very upsetting. Patrick Ewing got
hurt in the Eastern Conference Finals and it was, oh,
we would have be we would have.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
So beat the We're not making this about the Knicks.
We would have so won, but.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
They would be the first seed, first eight seed. But
nobody's ever gone as an eight seed in a full season.
The Heat would be the first team to do that
if they wound up winning. And now I'm just going
to think about the ninety nine NBA Finals all over again.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Once again, a another implosion and a close game that
goes on the wrong side of the ledger for the
Celtics in the fourth quarter, Jason Smith one of eight
from three point range. I'll tell you no, Lebron's there
with him. We'll see how how how long that that

(15:48):
streak goes. We're at nineteen. Yeah, he would have had
the over. It's been a minute, been a long while
since he hit one in the fourth quarter. But for
the night, ten of thirty five from three point range
for the Celtics, you had Jalen Brown go seven of
twenty three and down the stretch defensively, every fifty to

(16:12):
fifty ball, every rebound, and they just swarming Miami Heat.
They know how to close Boston once again. A lot
of looking around and a lot of bad shots, selection,
sloppiness with the basketball, and lack of motion on offense.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, there's two big things to take away from this game,
and both of them are a little bit outside the circle.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Of a teammate did this team B did this.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
The first one is that, look I go back to
this one play with thirty five seconds left to go
in the game and the Heat have the ball and
they're up too. And Gabe Vincent, who was having a
horrendous game, I mean, having a bad game, played all
forty minutes is one out of seven from the floor.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
But he was twenty, so he was vital to the
flow of the game.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I'm gonna say, I'm I'm not saying, you know, being
on the floor, but taking shot. I mean, he was
not having a good game, right, He had no all right,
he had zero assists tonight.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
All right, you're starting point guard? No assists? All right,
just think about it. He did not have a good
game anymore. I mean, we don't. It's positionless NBA JA.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
But I'm just saying, Okay, how are you gonna be
Are you gonna somehow try to get this into him
having a good game.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
You can't do it. You can't do it, Mike Card.
But he did not have a good game.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
You have all kinds of other options with thirty seconds
left to go in a game where you could say,
hey man, we win this, We're basically going to the
NBA Finals. Butler could take that shot at a Bio
could take that shot. Martin's had he's going twenty five,
he could take that shot. Duncan Robinson, no Vincent just
decides I got it, I'm feeling it, and a step
back jumper, which everybody in Boston was like, yeah, go ahead,

(17:49):
take that, and he drains it for a four point lead.
When you see a shot like that, it looked like
a lot of the fight went out of the Celtics
at that point. This is when you just think, Okay,
maybe the heater just a team of destiny. Wait, when
you have a guy who's one out of seven from
the floor and his knots are not having a big
nut and he decided not only does he make the shot,

(18:10):
it's I'm deciding.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
To take it.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's a heat check shot from him, Hey, because I
could still make this.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Man, this is not hey.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
With one second left on the shot clock, the ball
gets kicked out to the to the ark and he
grabs it and chucks it up and it goes in.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
No.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
No, this was hey, man, I'm feeling it. I'm taking
the shot and.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's one of those no no, no, no, no, no,
good shot, good shot.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Good shot. Maybe the heater or a team of destiny,
maybe they are.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, you certainly have that right, the guts to take
the shot. If it goes awry, well then it's a
why didn't Jimmy Butler have the ball? Why didn't Bam
out a bio call for it, or let's call it
what it is. There'd be more praise of the Celtics
doing a good job defensively to force the shot. By
game Vincent, you know how this works. Everybody's waiting to

(18:56):
get back in the good side of Boston and have
a big story, especially with the game that Jason Tatum had,
because the odd even kind of thing going on that
he has in terms of his scoring and productivity. Right
game six, now game two, all of those things that
we're looking for it. But for Gabe Vincent, go look

(19:19):
at his shot chart. A couple of really bad decisions.
You know, the two point shot that's just inside the arc, misses,
two miss, threes, one make, and then the shot that
he hit was about five feet directly in front of
the one three pointer that he made in his other
six shots.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I heard the exasperation in your voice when it
went down, like, come on, really, that's it.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's the shot. I'm like, are you are you? Are
you kidding? I mean really that I was like, you've
got to beat up.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like even look on Tatum's face when that shot, It's like,
come on, man, really, like what what?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Like?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Like the yo get shot at the end of the
third quarter when Ad was on him in game one,
yea and that gave him a fourteen point lead and
it was thirty feet You just threw it up and
AD's just smiling going up the car, like what the hell, man,
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You're you're a team of destiny? What a team of destiny?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
You are?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
So that's the other thing. Now.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
The other thing is is a bigger deal and it
gets feel I feel weird talking about it, but with
Jimmy Butler, it's a thing.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
There's NBA players, anybody who plays professional sports. You know
the professionalism they bring because you have to be a professional,
be able to succeed at this level. Right, we have
this image of player that go out there, but no,
you have to exude professionalism. And many things are overrated.
Emotion is usually overrated. Getting mad to win a game

(20:50):
is usually overrated. We have to play hard, you know,
a lot of that stuff is overrated. But certain guys
are players you don't want to wake up. And these
are players that that either of us, you and I,
when we've played sports in our life, there's that that
player who that we played against, whether it's in football
or hockey or softball, where you're playing against them and

(21:13):
you just don't want to wake them up. You don't
want to poke the bear because they're just out there
playing and they're and they're playing, but then you piss
them off. Something happens and suddenly it's okay, Now I'm
gonna really show you something, right.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
You see that.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
We see that in in beer league, softball and hockey
and everything else. But it's a thing for Jimmy Butler, man,
it is a thing for Jimmy Butler. And Grant Williams
hit this three to give the Celtics a ninety six
eighty seven lead in the fourth quarter, and this actually
turned out to be the turning point of the game,
except in the other direction.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Take a listen.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Runs the Thons, Butler a bumper, the Grand Years, Kenny's
cut or no.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
After that three by Grant Williams.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
He was having words with Jimmy Butler on the way down.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
So there it is Reggie, Reggie Miller, Kevin Harlan, the
gang on TNT with the.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Comb, the grind, the gyration. For Grant Williams. He got
into the game today and played twenty six minutes.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
He did, he did, and he and he hits, he
hits a shot and he starts jawn at Jimmy.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Butler, that's a bear you do not want to book.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And he starts right in his face going back down
the floor after he hits that shot to give him
a ninety six eighty seven lead. All right, so there's
a shot with six thirty seven left to go in
the game, go ahead, Frostburg. Six thirty seven left to
go in.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
The game, thirty seven shot up.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
In the next four minutes, Jimmy Butler racked off nine points,
including a three point play and a jumper with two
minutes left to go to give the Heat a two
point lead they never relinquished.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I mean, Jimmy, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Butler was just having and it wasn't having a playoff
Jimmy type night.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Up until that point in the game.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
He had eighteen and he was having an okay game,
But this wasn't a game. Look at Jimmy Butler. He's
got thirty five, he's got forty. This wasn't a playoff
Jimmy Knight. But you you hit that shot and you
get in Jimmy Butler's face, and the next three and
a half minutes he scores nine points and you go
from down from up nine to down two. Why would

(23:32):
you do that? I mean, Butler's a different guy.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You can do it to a lot of players and
they're gonna play the same and you know it's gonna
pump you up whatever. But you do that to Butler
and you know it. And that's one of the reasons
why I don't think Jimmy Butler gets the credit that
he deserves because during the season, he's.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
A guy that is a twenty point a game score.
That's who he is. For his career, he scores twenty
twenty two points a game.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
But in the playoffs, when you get him riled up
and you get him motivated, this is why you get
playoff Jimmy.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Right, He's someone that has one level of.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Play during the season, whether it's because hey, I just
can't find the way to I need something to motivate myself.
I just can't go out there and play eighty two
games or sixty five games or seventy games and going
with the kind of excellence you'd see Kobe Bryant who
wanted to go out there and score fifty every night.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
He's not that kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
But when the money's on the table or something happens
in the playoffs, suddenly he turns into one of the
biggest clutch players we've seen in recent NBA history. Why
would you do that? I don't understand, and you know
this about Jimmy Butler, Why would you wake him up?
And that's exactly what the Celtics did. It's exactly what
Williams did get in Jimmy Butler's face. And there's no

(24:38):
coincidence that after that play, we're up nine, we're feeling good.
Boom Butler comes up with nine points and now they're
up too with two and a half left to go,
and the game is over.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
At that point.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
But you know he's a guy that when he's there,
you know on the court that he's both ends. You're
getting full tilt play, and in this case, less in
the scoring column. But you know, he died did everything
in your your stats if you go into the box score,
and certainly as we were watching it, right, a couple
three more steals to go with his six from game one,

(25:10):
eight boards, six assists, and was huge getting the ball
down low and getting out a bio involved and kicking
out as as the double came. But in that moment,
like Nally LaForce interview after the game, certainly she dove
in and asked him about that exchange and he just smiled.
He goes, it's nice, healthy, friendly competition, and it got

(25:34):
it really ramped up there. You know, I just gotta saying, hey,
you know that that's that was a moment that you know,
and the smile got big. Not that he wasn't smiling, right.
He went over to Ludacris right away after the game,
shaking hands, going into the crowd and everything else before
doing the interview and just knows, hey, we we came
in and we kicked him in the teeth twice on

(25:56):
their home court. And if someone that comes in off
the bench wants to get chirpy, yeah, we were a
team that'll answer. And you know the first thing he said,
what is it about. When LaForce asked, what is it
about this squad? He goes, they're dogs, right, it come
we grind at the end of games. You got everybody's
committed to what we're doing, like and that shouldn't be

(26:18):
understated in an age where we talk about two men
or three man teams and then wishing, wanting, hoping that
the role players figure out how they fit or that
they will miraculously step up if they do have a
Gabe Vincent like moment. Right, a lot of teams you
don't have that guy, or you're hoping that someone will
be able to do do that and deliver for the heat.

(26:41):
Look at the guys they've lost injury. It's just hey,
the you're in on this squad for a reason. So
little uh. I liked when they went and did the
shot of pat Riley over there in the final minutes, like, yeah,
continuity matters, and having an attitude with Spolster and company
and a guy leading the charge like Jimmy Butler still
gonna be forever salty that he didn't play his entire

(27:03):
career in Chicago, but here we are.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You don't poke the bear, especially he's one of those
guys and you don't do it, and for some reason,
Grant Williams does it, and now here you are. You
go from up nine, you're down to it's over. Yeah,
I think that covers. Hey, let's get shut up. Make
sure I get in Jimmy Butler's face. Some guys are
just different, and I'm stunned. The Celtics did that and
they got exactly what you thought you'd get when playoff

(27:28):
Jimmy stepped up.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
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Speaker 1 (27:39):
If anybody knows how I could contact Jason Kidnis, I
have a short video to send him about leaders and
game winning. It's anybody who kind of like macho man
Randy Savage Here a little bit after Franciscolindor wins the
game against his old team.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, what the hell was that? Sweet?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
You were afraid to go full Randy Savage throat right there.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I didn't know I was going there until I went nervous.
I was well, I think as the night goes on,
I'll get a little bit more, a little bit more
into it, but.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
A little more steroids in you little I need more.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
You have more steroids, more Shuese Morse, I would, I
would never hate Frostburg.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Make sure when he takes that that you get it
on video because we can go viral with.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
That on camera.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Mike on camera.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
The Mets were down to their last strikedown two in
the tenth thoat two batters later, the Mets winning.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Tell Allen, Oh, the Mets are back. The Mets are back. Frozburg,
They're back. It's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
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Speaker 4 (29:00):
Under eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Left to go in the fourth quarter of the Celtics
lead the heat ninety three eighty seven. We'll have more
on this game coming up in a few minutes, but
joining us now on the hotline.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
He's a longtime NFL insider. Check out on out kick.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
He has written eight books now a yes, eight books,
and he is of course a Hall of very Good voter.
You can follow him on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two.
It is Jason Cole j Cole, Happy Friday.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Man, go Aztecs dude a ride. So we're we're back
to being five hundred.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, hey yeah, yeah, you know what? Hey you yet?

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah, that's that's good enough to be what hall of mediocre?

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Exactly? Hey, I can almost have your job. Then a
couple more wins and I can have your job.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
So you got lind Or, let's say the Polar Bear, yeplin,
you spent four what what was it, four hundreundred million
dollars this offseason or something?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
A little bit less three hundred, three hundred and sixty,
A little bit less.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
A little bit less, a little bit less, little bit yeah,
a little bit less, little bet, little bet, and you're
five hundred.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But but now it's easy. We've won the Lindor Tram.
I mean, I think it's easy. Now we've won the
Lindor Trade.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Okay, okay, we've won the it happens, yeah, Lindor, Lindor.
What is the is the up to two thirty five? Yether?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I made two thirty three maybe to twenty two twenty one.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Whatever it takes that. That's where he's at.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
But you're not gonna you're not gonna do that to me.
Not on a Friday where they went ten nine final score.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
That's what they did.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Unfortunately Quantrell didn't win. I was I needed a Quantrill
victory today, except it didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's right, full Quantrell hasn't pitched in twenty years. That's okay,
it's all right. I don't know what kind of.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Fairy, but col talent and a former Stanfordian, so we
like that.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, it's all Buck Showalter's fall. Well, it's that we're
with now we're good where you know we're good.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
He's relying on Pete Alonzo to hit a home run
every damn day and just scored ten.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Runs so far. So far, that's working. What's wrong with
that strategy? It got you to five hundred.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Eventually, he's not going to hit a home run every day.
I don't know if you know things about it averages
history whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
If he does, he's the greatest player ever.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, okay, how's that code? I send a like mystery
fork vallt that's going.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's fine, it's fine. The ghost fork is Jeffy he struck.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Out twelve in his last game. Were they four?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Doesn't matter? Well?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Did you see how quickly they were to put out
a bunch of press releases after Amar Rocker went down
with his injury, Like, see, that's.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Why we didn't sign him. Listen, we knew, Listen. Era
is an outdated stat. Okay, outdated stat. The era doesn't matter.
Era doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, outdated stat. It's outdated.
It's out there.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
So hey, so hey.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Speaking of all of very good, we have to talk
Hall of Fame here, obviously because the big NFL news
of the day Jim Brown passed away at the age
of eighty seven, a guy with a very complicated legacy.
But you know, obviously I was too young to see
him play. I think you were a little too young
to see him play. But you watch the highlights and
you see what he You know, when you watch him
on the field and you go, it doesn't even look

(32:22):
like it's a league.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
It looks like a guy playing against his little brother
and all of his friends.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know, you get like seventeen guys have to try
to tackle him and they still can't do him.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Well.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
I mean, he was as big as most of the lignemen.
That's the I mean, he's what two hundred and twenty
two hundred and thirty pounds and six foot two. I
mean this is long before you know, offensive defensive lineman
even tip the scales at at two forty or two fifty.
So I mean he's a huge man with that kind
of strength and speed. I mean, if you did the

(32:54):
equivalent in today's world, it would be like, you know,
like three one hundred pounds or three hundred and twenty
pound running back who could run you know, a four
or five. I mean, it would just be ridiculous, right,
like it would be you know, young Jerome Bettis, who
actually lasted more than you know, three or four years

(33:17):
at peak, right, So, I mean he's he's a freak
of nature for his time, and he would still be
able to play today. Now. I don't think that he
would dominate in the league with you know, with much
bigger men the way that he dominated then. But the
fact that he could play, you know today and transition

(33:39):
is an amazing thing because there's not many guys from
that era who you look at and go, oh, yeah,
he could. He could take the field today and be
representative he would be, you know, he would be a
good player, maybe even a great player. I mean that's
that's the amazing thing about Jim Brown.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, and then certainly the litany of tributes today j
Cole all the way up to today's players, just what
an impact he had on them, not just the history,
but as an active mentor to them, all the way
through the great running backs to today, which is you
know a lot of guys dissociator or or seen as

(34:16):
you know archival, seemed like he still had such an
impact on all these guests.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean he would be there to dole out
advice and you know it's it's Jim Brown. It's like,
look the man, Yeah, the man made Sleepless in Seattle.
Like he crosses over so many generations. I don't mean
that in a funny way, like, but you know he
can get he he's part of pop culture, right, He's

(34:45):
not just he's not just a Okay, this guy was
great in his time, you know, like Robistelli. You know,
like nobody knows who Andy Robistelli is anymore, and they
wouldn't remember, but you say Jim Brown, Like everybody knows
who Jim Brown is. Or everybody you know, like has
some touchstone of oh yeah, he was some great player

(35:05):
way back when I know that name, and so he
carries a cachet of respect or did carry a cachet
of respect, which was incredibly unusual.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Well because he was Fireball, Oh yeah, running Man.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Come on, I mean, come on, last season's winners, No,
last season's losers like Joe Brown, oh yeah, Fireball fire I.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Mean any given Sunday.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean, you start going down the list of movies, so,
I mean they've seen him there too.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Crossover.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Well, the fact, like everybody, you're his retirement when he retired.
This is one of the great stories of all time.
He sent the letter while he was filming I can't
remember which movie it was.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Thirty thirty.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Yeah, I mean think about, like, think about what kind
of character you are in the nineteen sixties that you're
like sending your retirement life while you're filming a movie.
That's awesome, Like that is that's like, that's truly fantastic.
I I have to like, that's that's iconic stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Dear commissioner, I quit Jim right for my next part.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Money to Art Modell. Art Modell won't pay me I'm out.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah that was that was when you you know, you
thought you had all the cache. Well, I'm not going
to pay him if you don't show up, I retire.
Oh wait, wait wait wait, let's not be too hasty.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Maybe I was a little out of line, hang on,
a little lot of line.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yeah, well I got I got a It's funny because
some old Cleveland Browns player, you know, check me an email,
you know, trying to pump up art Modell for the
Hall of Fame as a contributor this year. And I'm like,
I don't think so that's not that's not going to happen.

(36:59):
But now that you bring him up, it's like, now
Art Model is the reason why Jim Brown quit early.
So yeah, another reason why art art doesn't get into
the Hall of Fames.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Well there we good would he be? Would he be
a very good owner or would he be because.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I mean good own?

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah, he'd be sort of Leon hes.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Wow Leon Wow.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Okay, you're like, come on, come on, I know Harmon
appreciated that that well yeah, Harmon, Harmon loved the referenced.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Well that's that's good.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
But I also in my head started playing songs as
drummed by the great Levon Helm as.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
You said that.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
So I really went down and I started thinking about
the band.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
What can I do? What can I do with l ah?
What they are? What were we talking about? Okay, sorry, love,
it's Harmon's a d D. Just kicking in like crazy
good sports. Is there game to talk about? What? Oh,
Lindor went there? Here we go?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
All right, listen, it was a single to win the game.
It was a single to win the game. Let's just
get that right. It was a single to win, right,
it was?

Speaker 7 (38:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
It was, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was
Harmon Harmon just you know, with the squirrels operating at
fulk tilS.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Look all Harmon's got. It was a good joke. So
beat it. All Harmon's got today?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Mitchell Trubisky, his guy from like eight years ago, is
just happy that he's staying in the NFL because he
signed a three year extension with the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
He's just happiest guy is staying in the league.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
She's still wrong, baby, You might make it. You might
justify that pick. It would be less embarrassing if you
actually make it. Really, today, I was telling me how
he had one of the lowest squares ever and one
of those those quarterback tests that they did, a cognitive
skill test, like it's almost blue she esque.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
See now it all I'll come out and he's always
compared to Patrick Mahomes, even though nobody had Patrick Mahomes
as the guy.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Uh So I.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Think the Chiefs did Yeah, they did well, they.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Did, but I'm saying in terms of punditry and expectations.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's that's the way to explain
that one away. So that's all.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Yeah, that's and the forty nine ers really won that
trade too.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
But anyway, let's let's keep going here as we look ahead.
You got meetings next week, but they're not going to
vote on the commander's stuff. There's lawsuits and all sorts
of fun going on there.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
But I don't understand that lawsuit. But Brion Davis, like, what,
you didn't sell it to me? I'm suing you pretty much, dude,
Like how does that work? Like how do you we
didn't we decided not to sell it to you? Like
what like like we have that right to do that.
How do you assue now? So? Like what was I legal?

(39:56):
I'm fascinated by that one. But there's the to clean up.
But you know, these these votes that they talk about
like it's not really holding anything up. I mean, they're
still going to sell this thing and they're going to
try and get rid of it. But they can do this,
you know, in a phone call, and they I think
in fact, when they did the Penner Walton thing, they
did the Penner Walton approve a lover to the phone.

(40:17):
I think it was like a fifteen minute phone call
because they you know, they'd all talked about so they'll
talk about the sale because I mean like they're all
like sitting there with this really uncomfortable feeling of do
we really have Snyder in the room again? Do we
really do we have to be there? This is Snyder here?
Like do we really have to hear from him again?

(40:38):
I mean, that's that's what these meetings come down to.
So it's like they're just trying to get rid of
them as fast as possible.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, at least is there going to be somewhat of
an aside during the meetings where everybody breaks down and
is able to tell you if Tom Brady and Kim
Kardashian are dating, Because that's I gotta think that's going to.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Beversation too well. I usually go to Art Rooney the
second for that. He's the best gossip hound, either him
or John Marra. Themera's, the Rooney's there, the Mara's and
the Ruoneys, because they're totally into the Hollywood culture. Like
Hart Rooney came up to me one time he goes,
did you see what was on TMZ? Did you? Did you? Really?

(41:18):
And then Marra comes in and goes, he's behind like
four episodes. I can't believe. Stiffest guy.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
This is the root.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Actually, I got to say the stiffest owner by far
is Clark Hunt. Like, by far, like bar Nune, the
most uptight human being among the owners, no question in
my mind is Clark Hunt. Very nice guy, but like
if you ask him, like what time is it? Clark
like he'll start his watch and think about what the

(41:52):
answer is right there? Doing not what's the angle? What's
he trying to do? Is something? What time is it? Lark?
What time is it?

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Which time zone am I supposed to answer in?

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah? I mean we're not in Dubtas right now, are
we are? We're about Kansas City. It's painful to watch.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
It so You couldn't walk up to him and say, hey, Clark,
how about a cold one?

Speaker 4 (42:14):
And he wouldn't get that reference. He would get no shot.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
No shot. Now, John Marra, would you can there with
John Marra? And if you could have a beer with
with Art? I will say that I give those guys now,
they probably argue it out between cores and a rolling rock.
But you know that's okay, that's that's they're they're up
for that. Clark, he said, hey, do you want to
get a drink? He'd like, where's the water fountain? I

(42:41):
don't know whether.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
He was.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
He is so Goldman Sacks. It's unbelievable likes and and
the fact of the matter is his dad was really
such a jovial guy. And it's like it's it's pulling
teeth and he'll smile, he'll be really, really nice. But
even getting the water fountain out of him is pulling tease.
I gotta say that.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Jason Cole is on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Check out his latest there as well.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Longtime NFL insider eight books now eight go get.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Place, it's all go buy go buy the new one.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
See you, buddy, We'll talk to you next week, fucking you,
Jacob
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