June 6, 2023 • 36 mins
Arnie Spanier and Aaron Torres update you with all the latest on Colts CB Isaiah Rodgers who is being investigated for potential violations of the NFL's gambling policy. Does anyone really care about the NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and the Denver Nuggets? And Arnie tries to name 20 NBA players better than Jimmy Butler.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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(00:50):
You're in for the guys tonight. Jason Smith at his
best friend Mike Harmon. Boy, I'm getting ripped on Twitter today,
Am I not? Or?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What for?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Cright out loud there, Dora, They're coming after me.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean, everyone says I'm too mean to you, so
I'm not gonna say anything, but yeah, your takes half
been mediocre.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Even with mediocre takes, I'm still getting ripped.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Oh my goodness, what are they saying about it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, actually I got one good Well, first of one,
that says that Paul says Steak and Genius go be
a bandwagon Golden Knights fan like every other team you
claim to be a fanboy about.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
That's true. That sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
That is true. There, that is true. Jason's a nice
When the first show I ever heard in radio was
in nineteen ninety three Steak and Genius, that was the
hardest year of my life. You made it so much easier.
And now you have your best friend, Aaron Torres, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
First all, that's very thoughtful, thoughtful thirty years ago comment
from Jason. It also shows you a couple of things.
One how long you've been in this business for and
then two, you know, he did kind of mention at
the end that I'm kind of carrying you hit you wow, friend,
Eric Torres.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, David said, Spaniel wanted to be at the White
House today to cover the chiefs with what was banned,
like he is in Los Angeles and other majors. Yeah,
I'm not allowed in the studio in Los Angeles. The
reason I'm not allowed to be in the studio with
any other host. Is because the last time I was
in the studio with a host in Dallas, I almost
stew him through the window. Wow, And you know that
(02:15):
would have been a big mistake.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So why didn't you almost throw through a window again?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, we were fighting about the Lakers. Actually, okay, I'm serious.
Now you're fighting ironically. Now you're fighting about the Mavericks.
Yespending the Lakers. So funny we were fighting about it.
He goes, that's not true. That can't happen because of
the salary cap. And I go, I said the same thing.
I go, don't listen to the salary cap. It can
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work out. You could do something. He goes, it's a lie.
And I go, you said you called me a liar,
And I got we got nose to nose and I
was gonna throw him through the window, but he was
a former athlete. I was afraid he probably kick my butt.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Anyway, Thank goodness you're not here, because I would throw
you through the window for that mediocre Mavericks. Take I
myself a former athlete, a whole high school baseball class
of three.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Well we'll get back into
that in a second, I want to ask him because
we asked Jason Luckin for a little bit about this,
about the gambling story that came on down. And I
don't know how many times this is going to happen.
It seems like every two weeks or so, maybe once
a month, we see this Isaiah Rogers, the cornerback and
kick returning for the Indianapolis Colts. They're looking into him
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for possible violations of the league's gambling policy and a
couple of things that you just should know about this.
He had the account was opened up in somebody else's name,
in an acquaintance's name, and the only reason they called
him is because he made a bet at the practice facility.
So that was one of the reasons why they were
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able to go ahead and run it back to him,
which shows me that he knew the rules.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And he was trying to wait in all the rules
because he couldn't do it for the practice facility.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right, you're right, but that he was trying to hide
it wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Assume that eron or what Now You're one hundred percent right,
and you know we can dive into this, but I
get that, and Jason brought up the point is that
it's a slippery slope of a slippery slope of the
league taking gambling money while also limiting its players in
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so many ways. But if you really look at the
way the rules are written, the collective bargaining is written,
the only real rules are you can't bet on the NFL, right,
and you can't place bets during team activities, which is
travel facility whatever. That was what all the Lions guys
got caught for. So I will say, and I know
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I'm kind of jumping the gun. You were going to
kind of set it up. But I think this is
a continually evolving thing where guys are continuing to learn
the rules. I believe most of those Lions guys did
not realize that. I think I think Calvin Ridley he
screwed up. You can't bet on the NFL, period, and
you can't. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But after Calvin Ridley, don't the other players go, well,
I suspended what happened? Well, well, I don't want to
do that. Please, what did he do? I don't want
to make the same mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, they didn't make the same mistake though they weren't
betting on the NFL, but they were betting from the
facility and on the road right, And so that was
the second iteration. And my understanding is that's the that's
the totality rules. Can't bet on the NFL, can't bet
in anything anything team related, so team travel, team hotel,
team bus, team flight, team facility.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
So that was where most of the Lions guys got
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And then this guy clearly didn't know it either, but
he was also very clearly trying to circumvent things by
betting under a different name.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And why are you betting a bunch of twenty five
to fifty dollars bets? One was one bet was in
the low four figure bets. But when you have a
contract of a four year three point four million or
whatever it was, why why Well the final year he
was getting three point.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Fry Buddy Burns Bernie Fratto says, I think most people,
and burn has the data to back this up, they
get high making the bet.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They don't get high cash in the bet.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, I'm the type of person if I really think, hey,
I have a great feel for this game, then I'll
bet it because I expect to win. Now, everybody expects
to win every bet, but I think there's a lot
of people that just like having ten twenty fifty bucks
on the NBA Finals Game two, or baseball this or whatever,
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even though.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He knows it's wrong, because you just said, he opened
it up in somebody else's name, so he was trying
to hide it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think it was stupid. I mean, I just think
it's stupid. I don't know why these guys are putting
their careers at risk to make these such like minuscule bet.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I don't know. I mean, even if it was a
big bet, it shouldn't make a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But their whole jobs are on the line here when
they do this. And you know what's crazy. I'll never
forget this. When I first went to college, right, the
president of the university says, look, there's no smoking pot
on campus, right, Why would you want to smoke pot
in your room? So when I catch you, I can
throw you out of the university. You could explain to
your parents what happened, You get no refund and you're
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and you're gone for the whole year. Or you can
go out in the desert, which is a quarter mile
from campus, and do whatever the hell you want out
there and there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Those of your due President encourage the legal drug use.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's got that, But that's what he said.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
He doesn't want to throw the kids out of school.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know. You know that's the same thing with the gambling,
with what are you doing? What are you making a
bunch of beds for? You know when when you're making
all that money. I and they know what they're doing.
They just don't seem to care about it. I tell you,
I'm I'm perplexed. I I don't understand how you could
be that careless with your career. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So I agree, Arnie. I agree.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is that if Fox Sports Radio came to us and said,
you can't like hey, so and so is our sponsor,
you cannot bet on games either through this app or
in the studio or whatever. Like I'll just tell you
if it was me, and I'm far for perfect, I
have my flaws like everybody else. But if Fox Sports
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Radio said, Aaron, we have a partnership with this sports book.
These are the rules on what you can bet and
when you can bet, and this and that, I would
make sure I knew that handbook up and down to
beat blood. I probably just won't bet.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I understand there's nothing wrong with placing a twenty dollars
bet or fifty dollars bet, or a hundred dollars bet
if you can afford it on whatever. But you're right, Arnie,
A career.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
A livelihood is on the line, and it's just not
worth it. It's just not worth it.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What's gonna happen when the first knucklehead, even if it's
just one hundred dollars bet, doesn't make a difference. Bets
on a game that he's playing in, whether he's taking
the points or laying the points. What's gonna happen the
first time we find out something like that?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I think he might lose his job forever.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Oh, you forget it.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But the harm Yeah because the NFL, And let me
jump in, Yeah, because I remember when the Calvin Ridley
situation happened and people were saying, well, if you bet
on your if you bet on the NFL, but if
you pick your team to win, then you shouldn't be No,
it's the perception.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Boxes bet on themselves. You could bet on yourselves.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Boxing doesn't have a sanctioning body. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Though there's golfers, there's well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean no, actually, I'm certain that you can't because
Phil Mickelson got in some trouble for some golf related
betting and I think it was more of a slap
on the wrist. But and by the way, the bottom
line is, even if golfers can or boxers can, it
doesn't mean that NFL players can, right, And those are
the rules. And you know, it's kind of like the
John Rant thing. It's like, Okay, you didn't break any laws. Okay,
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maybe there are some jobs somewhere where you're allowed to
bring a gun with you to work, or you're allowed
to have gun on social media. The NBA doesn't want
you to do it, so don't do it. And it's
kind of the same here with the NFL. Is there
is nothing fundamentally wrong with betting ten bucks or fifty
bucks or a hundred bucks on whatever. Right, But if
you you know your employer, And by the way, and
(10:03):
all our Vegas guys, Todd Furman and Bernie Frettle will
tell you all these teams have meetings, conferences, police people,
FBI people whoever into the facility to say exactly what
you can and cannot do. And I would rather be
the guy that plays it too safe and either doesn't
bet at all or triple checks or talks with his
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players you didn't rep or whatever, then the guy that
is too careless, because it's just I'm not saying that
fundamentally what he did was wrong. But what I am
saying is, as to your point, which I actually agree with,
the second, third, fourth time that a guy gets caught
at some point, just stop doing it because it's not
worth losing everything that you could potentially lose by the.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Way out of curiosity. And I have a number in
my mind, but I'm not gonna say anything. First, I
want to ask you first, out of all our listeners,
whether it's Collins and Dan Patrick's or our weekdays weekends,
all the listeners here at Fox Sports Radio, how many
do you think gamble ten fifty ninety percent? Give you
a number. How do you think actually gamble on sports?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Just sports fans in general. They don't have to be
sports fans, they could just gamble sports. Yeah, well, no,
I mean I think that it's mostly like I don't think,
you know, if you start including you know, ninety year
old grandmas that don't know sports.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But like I think well, they may do lottery tickets. Okay, no,
but yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Let's just talk sports fans because I just I do
think the number is higher than people think. And I'll
tell you, like during March Madness or during the NCA tournament,
I'm not talking about a bracket. I'm talking about actually betting.
You'd be surprised the number of people that would say
to me, Hey, Torres Murray State plus ten you know,
or hey, what do you think about this? Uh futures
bet that I made or whatever. So I think it's
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a higher percentage. What I do also think is that
the volume of money bet is much lower. I think
most people are throwing ten dollars on a three team
parlay on a Sunday.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't think most people are are.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Egregiously betting out of their the price range that they
can afford.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
How many are betting though, So what I say, seventy
five percent of our listeners, is that too high or what?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, I think it's a little high only because of
legalized sports betting isn't available everywhere, Like I can't just
bet on stuff unless I'm gonna download some crappy app
that's illegal, and I'm not going to right, but no,
I mean I would have said more than fifty percent.
Seventy five feels a little high to me, but I
think it's probably more than fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, like you said, you know a lot of people
March madness. It's it's crazy. Vegas is crazy, whether it's
like the NFL playoffs, March madness or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, we talked to Todd last night when when I
was filling in with you last night for Plank. He said,
if there's a game to bet on, people be in
the sportsbook, even though it's a little bit of a
slower time. And he mentioned how now you know people
can't get enough of the NFL. They're betting the futures.
He said, they wouldn't even put up numbers, especially for
college football until late August. It's early June, and people
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are betting over under winter early season line stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
How many people bet the Vegas Golden Knights tonight out
there in Vegas? Oh boy, they probably just destroyed the
books out there, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Or what? Well, you can bet on nights games in Vegas, right,
I know, something like like in Jersey you can't bet
on Jersey colleges like you can't bet on Rutgers or
seat in hall. I would assume you can bet Knights
games though, Oh yeah, I believe you are, and you
know everybody in Vegas bet the Knights. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They I'm sure they made a boatload of money, destroyed
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stinking genius one like this one. NBA final ratings are
in the toilet because Jimmy Buckets and the Joker are
not flashy enough. Great fundamentally, but a snoozer for the
general audience. We talked a little bit about this yesterday.
First of all, Aaron, if it was Los Angeles, if
it was the Lakers in Boston Celtics in the finals,
you think we'd wait an hour and a half to
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talk about Game three and what happened on Sunday. It'd
be all Lakers, Boston, this, that and the other. Jack Nicholson,
we'd be talking about stars and we'd be going crazy.
Here we are, and I listened to everybody's show today.
Not very many started. I don't think anybody started with
Denver Miami. But he's right they're not flashy enough. Ratings
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are down. Depending on how you look at it, they
are in the toilet. Look, it's one one, so hopefully
it keeps everybody's attention, but it's certainly not as enjoyable
as some of the other series out there. And Craig
Carton from the TV Show in the Mornings said that
if Miami wins, they'll be the worst team to ever
win a championship. I think we have to agree with that.
(15:44):
I have to agree with that. Also, the worst team
to ever win a championship NBA Championship.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, and you were just saying yesterday that you felt
like the underdog story was overrated for Miami, that they
were better than people were trying to give him credit for. No.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I just said, I didn't feel like a great underdog store.
I didn't feel that, you know, like it was a
sixteen seed get underdog story like well, like a George
Bason in the Final four, is what I was saying.
It's not that type of thing. But but answer my question,
though I didn't hear it, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I said, if it's not some great underdog story, then
how can they be the worst team to ever win
the finals?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well, because they are an eight seed, and usually in
the NBA, you don't have a team that bad winning
the NBA Championship. Now, they did go through some injuries
and stuff like that. I I will give them that,
but they would like, can you think of a question?
Can you think of a team that was worse that
win a championship?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think you could argue Dirk's MAVs. I mean, oh no, why,
I mean, listen, here's my question. I was thinking about
this today. Yeah, the we we as a basketball community.
I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying me. Most
people agreed that there were two teams that were cut
above everybody else in terms of the chances to win
the championship in the regular season, Milwaukee and Boston. Miami
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beat both of them. Miami beat both of them to
advance to the NBA Finals. If they were to beat
a number one seed, I don't think you could sit
here and say that that's the worst team that's ever
won a championship. I mean, I think I do think.
I actually, I actually feel very confident saying that I
think Dirk's MAVs were significantly worse than this team.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well, first of all, they did beat Milwaukee without a
healthy honest who also missed two games. You certainly have
to look at that. That's a that's a big part
of it, is it not? Or what?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's an a part of it. It's a part of it.
I don't know if it's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And then in Game seven for Boston, uh Tatum went
down with the spright ankle right off the bat. That
kind of put them behind the eight ball at that point.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I guess they were also up three to nothing on Boston.
And what I would also say is it's not like
it's some fluke. They were a shot away from making
the finals last year, made the finals in twenty twenty.
I mean, they're literally a made Jimmy Butler three pointer
away from this being their third finals in four years.
By the way, Yeah, here's the other thing. They're a
mis Derek White layup at the buzzer from beating Boston
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in six and not even having to worry about Jason
Tatum's injury.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well that's true, but let me ask justin why are
ratings in the toilet? To say, then, why why are
they so far down? If if it's a good series, I.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Think it's fair to say that these two teams do
not move the needle for the average fan. And this
is something again, I know what I was filling in
last night. We talked a little bit about is. I
don't have a good answer as to why the NBA
has seemingly been unable to create any stars that the
general public is interested in besides Stephen Lebron in like
the last fifteen years. I mean, it's just amazing that
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any series that doesn't involve one of those two essentially
isn't watched. I mean, we can debate, we can argue,
and it's I understand eight million, nine million, ten million
people is a huge number, but relative to what ratings
get with those guys, relative to what Game one in
the NBA Finals did last year with Steph in it,
I don't really get it. But I think you're right, Arnie,
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And I even look at myself, I mean talking with
friends and I was talking to a buddy on the
way over is.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I don't know. I'm enjoying the games. I enjoy both teams.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I enjoy the narratives, but it's like hard for me
to get excited to talk about well, in game six,
you know, I mean in game two last night. I mean,
you know that opening run by Miami and then Denver countered,
and it's like in years past, it felt like every
game you would want to break down and talk about.
And I know part of it was those lebron calvs.
Versus the Golden State Warriors teams, but even since then,
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I remember enjoying talking about the Raptors and the Warriors,
and this year, I don't know, man, I don't have
a good answer, Arnie. I mean, do you have a
good answers toll?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know, I'll give you this. You know, it's interesting.
I read one of those radio articles in our industry
and they were interviewing a radio talk show host who said,
you know, this matchup, I don't even have to watch it.
I don't do a national show. I do a local
show here in Cleveland, fare Nobody, nobody. If it was
the Lakers of Boston, he'd be watching it. But because
nobody really cares about, you know, Denver Miami. If it
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was a better matchup and there was something more intriguing,
I don't know, maybe it'd be different, but I don't
even really have to watch it. What do you think
about hosts that's say, well, I'm not doing Nationals. I
don't really have to watch the game. There's not a
lot of sports going on right now anyway, Why wouldn't
you watch the game? Right?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
But I think that's that's a little unfair.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I mean we if we were doing radio in Vegas,
we would probably be watching the Knights, And we're watching
the Knights, but we're not breaking it down. If you're
doing radio in Cleveland, you're probably breaking down Ohio State's
offseason and the Browns offseason.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You brought another a proud guy gotta got held up, right?
Got Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Well that that's kind of a crazy story in its
own right, is there's some sort of players are being targeted.
I think three Browns players have been targeted by criminals
in like the last couple of days, which is scary.
But I I don't have a problem with a host
in Cleveland not feeling like he has to watch minute
by minute to break it down. But here's the bigger question, Arnie.
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If you're a sports talk radio host, inherently you probably
like sports. So the fact that he doesn't on his
own want to watch it, No, I'm serious. I'm serious,
because there's all sorts of sports that I know that
we're not going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I enjoy watching the softball, the college baseball. We're not
gonna hardly bring that up. But I love watching that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean, Listen, there's a lot of hosts that realistically
are probably not gonna talk even a lot of college
football on their shows. They still probably watch Ohio State Michigan,
even if they know they're not breaking it down play
by play. So I think that's actually an interesting conversation
and a concern for the NBA is that actual sports
fans aren't compelled enough to watch it. Because even if
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you're let's say you're Colin Cowherd or Doug Gottlieb or whatever,
and you don't do a ton of college football, if
there's still a big alib Sbama LSU game, you still
want to watch it because it's Alabama LSU.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I I get the sense.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And I don't want to speak for Doug or Colin
or the odd couple and how they do their show,
but you're still gonna want to watch it. If you
have real sports fans that don't even feel the need
to watch these finals, that's a problem. Any Is that
an NBA problem or you problem.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I mean, you know, it's a huge NBA problem because
most of the time, you know, it's it's just that
this was like the perfect storm. We've said that before.
You know, you got two teams. There's really no villains
in this thing. There's really no heroes.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Might be might be in game three, Tyler will coming back.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, I don't think he is coming back. Actually, there
was a report that his hand.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
You didn't get the joke. He said there's no heroes.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I said, we might have a Tyler game free went
over my head and went over my head.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
No, but why they're throwing out of your basket.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
That is why this is because I'm too old to
this day of the jokes here. You're right about that,
but yeah, that one one right over my head. Sorry
about That's okay. I love that.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I try. I try. I'm trying for America.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But it's right. But there's just no intrigue in this matchup,
nothing that gives you like, oh, I can't wait for
this next and I can't wait for this, and I
want to see what this guy's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm with you like that. I'm with you, I mean,
and it's not just just a Lebron thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I like, I said that Raptors Warrior series I remember
being captivated by. You know, obviously you want to go back.
So many of them included Lebron, so it's hard to
think of anything pre you know, outside of Lebron. But
you know, I'm just trying to think of the finals
last few years. I mean, I don't know. I just
think I do think it's a fundamental problem for the NBA.
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Lebron is thirty eight years old. Steph is thirty four.
I believe or he will be thirty five. He might
be thirty five this year. You have to create guys
that people want to watch, and it doesn't feel like
they've done a very good job of that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Brian says, give you the Heat and Nuggets over subpar
Lakers and Celtics much more interesting and entertaining to watch
than boring Boston or LA. He's gonna be in the
minority on that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Let me say this, Yeah, I think you can argue
they're more fun to watch. I don't think they're more
fun to talk about, though, Like I think when Lebron
loses or Lebron wins, for guys like you and I,
that's a lot more fun to talk about that. As
you said, Oh, you know jokicch I mean he scored
forty one, but he only had four cists.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
What does it mean?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
We'll talk about it next. It's like, I don't know
that that really moves the needle the way that it does. Oh,
Lebron just blew a lite or something like that, you
know what I mean. And that speaks to again not
having a villain, not having people that people are familiar with.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I want to get one more in what we're talking
about the twenty minutes ago about gambling, Jason says people
won the way Pete Rose was not allowed back in
the Major League Baseball because he's still betting on games
right or wrong. He knew gambling was forbidden and kept gambling.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
So you know, that is the point there.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I'm just worried now that was gambling is so relevant
right now in the radio and sports radio world, that
athletes are gonna continue to cross that line.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Aeron.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's that's the thing I'm most worried about there.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, to go back to the gambling conversation, I think,
like everything else, it will sort itself out. And the
other thing I will say on the gambling conversation. I
know Jason lockin for was on and I get what
he was saying.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
About.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You know, the owners are taking millions, but part of
the money that is being made off the sports betting
boom right now is going into the player's pockets. And
so if you want increased salary across the board, sometimes
there's gonna be limitations betting on games in the facility
are going to be those limitations.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yesterday, I told you I think there's about twenty guys
I'd rather have than Jimmy Butler. You said, name them,
I can't name off the top of my head. Well
I can name it now. Aeron Torres already span your
in for the guys Jason Smith and his best friend
Mike Harmon getting a lot on Twitter. If you want
to get in, Aaron underscore Torres, I'm its thinking genius one.
(25:59):
Eric says, I don't care about the NBA, but I
find them more entertaining that there are different teams in
the finals. I get tired of the same old teams
making the championship games series. New teams make it interesting
to me. You say that, and this is kind of
what we do in the NCAA. Tournament. We like the
early upsets, but when it comes to push and shove,
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we want the blue bloods in the final four, don't
we want to We want the big name teams in
the final four. We don't want the underdogs.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
As you've said a few times, I think you're right,
is you want people that create emotion. And in college
basketball it's formerly coach k it's Caliperry, believe it or not,
I think Kenzaga is at that point.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
And in the NBA it is Lebron.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
It is maybe the Celtics as a brand, it is
certainly the Warriors as a brand. And maybe that's just
the point is Jokic is too new. We don't know
enough about him. He hasn't said anything controversial, all that stuff,
but he doesn't create emotion. People aren't. People aren't tuning
in to root for him or against him. Right, say
what you want about Lebron. There's a lot of people
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that tune in to hate watch Lebron, that tune in
because they want to see him lose. And we just
the cowboys, like the Dallas Cowboys, like the Dallas Cowboys,
like the NFL. You know does a great job. I
mean the NFL is a little bit different. But I mean,
people don't like the Patriots, people don't like the Cowboys,
people don't like the Packers, people don't like Aaron Rodgers,
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people don't like Mahomes, people don't like Brady. I mean,
think about all these teams that you want to tune
into because you just they create emotion, they create interest,
they create excitement, and I think the NBA has done
just a very you know, listen, it's an old thing,
but the NBA. You know, the NFL is about the shield.
But the NBA about forty years ago with Bird and Magic,
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really went all in on building up its stars. And really,
over the last five six years, it feels like outside
of Lebron and Steph, those guys just don't move the needle.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I want to get what more in aiden sends this
and guys guys that think like you guys are there
is the reason that there isn't more parody in sports.
You complain about the same teams making it. When different
teams make it, you complain it's not the same. I'm
not complaining about the same teams making it. If you
had Golden State or the Lakers or the Celtics, or
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anything like that. I would not have complained about it.
I would have preferred that over the teams that we
have in right now. So I don't think I would
have complained about that at all.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I see the point I think
two things can be true is that I'm not upset
that we have new teams. I just don't think it's
as compelling of a conversation. That's all I said, is
it's hard for like, like I said, it's hard for well,
I mean, what does this mean for Yokich's legacy. It's like, well,
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probably nothing. It's one game. Whereas Lebron, it's like, you know,
I mean, let's be honest, we all know what the
conversations are. He lost in the finals, he lost in
the Western Conference finals. He won, he won in a bubble.
That doesn't count because it was in the Everything Lebron does,
it can be contextualized historically. Same with Steph Curry. I
just you know, like I said, I I don't know,
(29:08):
Yo Kitch. Maybe two, three, four years down the road
we start having those conversations maybe if we're lucky, but
we're just not there yet.
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Speaker 3 (30:24):
All Right, good evening, everybody, Aaron Torres, Arnie span You're
in for the guys, Jason Smith and his best friend
Mike Harmon. Now, we were also in yesterday too, and
we were arguing about Jimmy Butler. Everybody goes to Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Here's my thing, Arnie. Yeah, are you sure we can
squeeze the segment in in like four minutes? We can
say this later on the show.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, we got more than four minutes, you know what
I do? Oh wow? So look, I came up with
twenty names that I would rather have or is better
than Jimmy Butler. Right, so you have to take his
age of the considerations. These are twenty. Now, I'll give
you the twenty names real quick. If there's a name
that you don't agree with, just tell me how circled
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and we can come back to it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
So here's my issue is that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Where Jimmy Butler's value comes in is not being one
of the five most talented players in the league. Where
his value comes in is that we in the media
have told the NBA and their players for the last
however many years that the postseason is all that matters.
Don't even bother playing in the regular season, because the
postseason is all that matters. Well, few players and there
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are a few that that deliver better than him in
the post There aren't many, though, and so I am
going to hold it against guys. I don't care if
you score thirty seven points on a Tuesday, and sure
you can't go by that though I have. That's how
I'm judging him.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm not just doing strictly playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But that's what matters. I don't care that LaMelo Robert
Robert Ry, that LaMelo ball can go for thirty seven
and twenty and an eight point loss.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
So Robert Ory would be like one of the top
five player best players of all time.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I didn't say win the most championships. I said had
the most value in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
He had a lot of value in the postseason, a
lot of value. But I did it. I did it
for all. Let me just go through the list. If
if you ever to circle one and tell me and
I can come back to it. You know you have
the obvious ones like Joel Embiid, the Luca Lillard, Gilchrist.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I would take Dami. I would take Jimmy Butler over
Lillard right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
There, Okay, Gilchrist Alexander.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I would came over Gilchrist Alexander.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, obviously you don't know basketball. Jannis Tatum.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I would take over Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Is there something wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I've seen him finals. He outplayed Jason Tatum in the
last series. I don't know what you want from me.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Curry, Durant, Lebron, Donovan Mitchell, I'd take Oh.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
My god, I'd take him over Donovan Mitchell. Are you
kidding me? Is this a real list?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, believe me, it's a real list.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Delie Booker is on the fence. I could I could
see Vin Booker. Jalen Brown, Oh my god, I take
him over. Jylen Brown, no doubt, no doubt. He just
outplayed Jalen Brown in a series. I didn't say, Julius Randall,
I said Jalen Brown. Maybe you misheard me, Jalen Brown.
Who the Celtics are willing to listen to trade offers
for book continuing either he John Morant, take him over.
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Job Zion, Oh my god, take him over Zion. Uh
Zion's gonna be working with us in a year. He
can't play kicking on the field a d I take
I take a d over him. I would uh your kitchen.
Murray Murray's on the cusp.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, not even.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
You literally said last night Murray. Every sixty points a
game in the in the regular season. This is this
the heat of the moment thing.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh you're killing me, You're killing me all right?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Uh Brunson, I take him over Brunton, No doubt you're.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
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Speaker 5 (33:54):
Oh why are we even doing this? And what is
his activity?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And very Young?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Why don't you just we should.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Probably why Trey Young is no good either? Right do
you when Beniyama? Why don't you throw in Henderson? He
might be good in ten years.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You know, every one of those guys not only average
more points than Jimmy Butler, but a lot more points
than Jimmy Butler. Do you understand that?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
The fact watching the playoffs field.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You made me circle seven guys, and those seven guys,
five of them could be Hall of famers by the
time their career.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Jimmy Butler's gonna be a Hall of famers. So that's
a moot point.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But continue, first of the fact that you'd say you'd
rather have Jimmy Butler over Tatum and over nowt played
them in the playoffs. No, it's a team game here.
You understand that, don't you?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I know?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
And his team is inferior, and he carried them past
Jason Tatum's team, So.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Then you'd rather have, uh, Jimmy Butler over Jannis. Then
they beat the Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
It's here's in again. We're talking.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I'm talking about if I have to win a playoff
series tomorrow, would I take him over You're talking about
if the conversation is the next ten years, then yeah,
I'd probably take Jason Tatum. But nobody cares about ten
years because a lot of stuff changes in ten years.
Ben's You would have taken Ben Simmons over him two
and a half years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm serious. You would have taken Kyrie over him three
or four years ago. So I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I think you're minimizing all those guys on that list.
You really are.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I think you're minimizing Jimmy Butler, who's been to two
straight finals, has been the best player on a team
that has gone to the finals and back to back
years and two out of the last four years, and
was a shot away from going to the finals last year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Doesn't he have a video of all his airballs? Wait,
that's a commercial. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I would, Yeah, we could look for John Donovan
Mitchell's airballs, but he's been on that.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He didn't get that joke I just gave you.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
I didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
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Speaker 5 (35:48):
Don't watch commercials on anyway?
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You're in for the guys tonight. Jason Smith at his
best friend Mike Harmon. Boy, I'm getting ripped on Twitter today,
Am I not? Or?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What for?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Cright out loud there, Dora, They're coming after me.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean, everyone says I'm too mean to you, so
I'm not gonna say anything, but yeah, your takes half
been mediocre.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Even with mediocre takes, I'm still getting ripped.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Oh my goodness, what are they saying about it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, actually I got one good Well, first of one,
that says that Paul says Steak and Genius go be
a bandwagon Golden Knights fan like every other team you
claim to be a fanboy about.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
That's true. That sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
That is true. There, that is true. Jason's a nice
When the first show I ever heard in radio was
in nineteen ninety three Steak and Genius, that was the
hardest year of my life. You made it so much easier.
And now you have your best friend, Aaron Torres, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
First all, that's very thoughtful, thoughtful thirty years ago comment
from Jason. It also shows you a couple of things.
One how long you've been in this business for and
then two, you know, he did kind of mention at
the end that I'm kind of carrying you hit you wow, friend,
Eric Torres.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, David said, Spaniel wanted to be at the White
House today to cover the chiefs with what was banned,
like he is in Los Angeles and other majors. Yeah,
I'm not allowed in the studio in Los Angeles. The
reason I'm not allowed to be in the studio with
any other host. Is because the last time I was
in the studio with a host in Dallas, I almost
stew him through the window. Wow, And you know that
(02:15):
would have been a big mistake.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So why didn't you almost throw through a window again?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, we were fighting about the Lakers. Actually, okay, I'm serious.
Now you're fighting ironically. Now you're fighting about the Mavericks.
Yespending the Lakers. So funny we were fighting about it.
He goes, that's not true. That can't happen because of
the salary cap. And I go, I said the same thing.
I go, don't listen to the salary cap. It can
(02:38):
work out. You could do something. He goes, it's a lie.
And I go, you said you called me a liar,
And I got we got nose to nose and I
was gonna throw him through the window, but he was
a former athlete. I was afraid he probably kick my butt.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Anyway, Thank goodness you're not here, because I would throw
you through the window for that mediocre Mavericks. Take I
myself a former athlete, a whole high school baseball class
of three.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Well we'll get back into
that in a second, I want to ask him because
we asked Jason Luckin for a little bit about this,
about the gambling story that came on down. And I
don't know how many times this is going to happen.
It seems like every two weeks or so, maybe once
a month, we see this Isaiah Rogers, the cornerback and
kick returning for the Indianapolis Colts. They're looking into him
(03:22):
for possible violations of the league's gambling policy and a
couple of things that you just should know about this.
He had the account was opened up in somebody else's name,
in an acquaintance's name, and the only reason they called
him is because he made a bet at the practice facility.
So that was one of the reasons why they were
(03:44):
able to go ahead and run it back to him,
which shows me that he knew the rules.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And he was trying to wait in all the rules
because he couldn't do it for the practice facility.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right, you're right, but that he was trying to hide
it wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Assume that eron or what Now You're one hundred percent right,
and you know we can dive into this, but I
get that, and Jason brought up the point is that
it's a slippery slope of a slippery slope of the
league taking gambling money while also limiting its players in
(04:21):
so many ways. But if you really look at the
way the rules are written, the collective bargaining is written,
the only real rules are you can't bet on the NFL, right,
and you can't place bets during team activities, which is
travel facility whatever. That was what all the Lions guys
got caught for. So I will say, and I know
(04:43):
I'm kind of jumping the gun. You were going to
kind of set it up. But I think this is
a continually evolving thing where guys are continuing to learn
the rules. I believe most of those Lions guys did
not realize that. I think I think Calvin Ridley he
screwed up. You can't bet on the NFL, period, and
you can't. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But after Calvin Ridley, don't the other players go, well,
I suspended what happened? Well, well, I don't want to
do that. Please, what did he do? I don't want
to make the same mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, they didn't make the same mistake though they weren't
betting on the NFL, but they were betting from the
facility and on the road right, And so that was
the second iteration. And my understanding is that's the that's
the totality rules. Can't bet on the NFL, can't bet
in anything anything team related, so team travel, team hotel,
team bus, team flight, team facility.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
So that was where most of the Lions guys got
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And then this guy clearly didn't know it either, but
he was also very clearly trying to circumvent things by
betting under a different name.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And why are you betting a bunch of twenty five
to fifty dollars bets? One was one bet was in
the low four figure bets. But when you have a
contract of a four year three point four million or
whatever it was, why why Well the final year he
was getting three point.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Fry Buddy Burns Bernie Fratto says, I think most people,
and burn has the data to back this up, they
get high making the bet.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They don't get high cash in the bet.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, I'm the type of person if I really think, hey,
I have a great feel for this game, then I'll
bet it because I expect to win. Now, everybody expects
to win every bet, but I think there's a lot
of people that just like having ten twenty fifty bucks
on the NBA Finals Game two, or baseball this or whatever,
(06:25):
even though.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He knows it's wrong, because you just said, he opened
it up in somebody else's name, so he was trying
to hide it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think it was stupid. I mean, I just think
it's stupid. I don't know why these guys are putting
their careers at risk to make these such like minuscule bet.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I don't know. I mean, even if it was a
big bet, it shouldn't make a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But their whole jobs are on the line here when
they do this. And you know what's crazy. I'll never
forget this. When I first went to college, right, the
president of the university says, look, there's no smoking pot
on campus, right, Why would you want to smoke pot
in your room? So when I catch you, I can
throw you out of the university. You could explain to
your parents what happened, You get no refund and you're
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and you're gone for the whole year. Or you can
go out in the desert, which is a quarter mile
from campus, and do whatever the hell you want out
there and there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Those of your due President encourage the legal drug use.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's got that, But that's what he said.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
He doesn't want to throw the kids out of school.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know. You know that's the same thing with the gambling,
with what are you doing? What are you making a
bunch of beds for? You know when when you're making
all that money. I and they know what they're doing.
They just don't seem to care about it. I tell you,
I'm I'm perplexed. I I don't understand how you could
be that careless with your career. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So I agree, Arnie. I agree.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is that if Fox Sports Radio came to us and said,
you can't like hey, so and so is our sponsor,
you cannot bet on games either through this app or
in the studio or whatever. Like I'll just tell you
if it was me, and I'm far for perfect, I
have my flaws like everybody else. But if Fox Sports
(08:09):
Radio said, Aaron, we have a partnership with this sports book.
These are the rules on what you can bet and
when you can bet, and this and that, I would
make sure I knew that handbook up and down to
beat blood. I probably just won't bet.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I understand there's nothing wrong with placing a twenty dollars
bet or fifty dollars bet, or a hundred dollars bet
if you can afford it on whatever. But you're right, Arnie,
A career.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
A livelihood is on the line, and it's just not
worth it. It's just not worth it.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What's gonna happen when the first knucklehead, even if it's
just one hundred dollars bet, doesn't make a difference. Bets
on a game that he's playing in, whether he's taking
the points or laying the points. What's gonna happen the
first time we find out something like that?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I think he might lose his job forever.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Oh, you forget it.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But the harm Yeah because the NFL, And let me
jump in, Yeah, because I remember when the Calvin Ridley
situation happened and people were saying, well, if you bet
on your if you bet on the NFL, but if
you pick your team to win, then you shouldn't be No,
it's the perception.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Boxes bet on themselves. You could bet on yourselves.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Boxing doesn't have a sanctioning body. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Though there's golfers, there's well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean no, actually, I'm certain that you can't because
Phil Mickelson got in some trouble for some golf related
betting and I think it was more of a slap
on the wrist. But and by the way, the bottom
line is, even if golfers can or boxers can, it
doesn't mean that NFL players can, right, And those are
the rules. And you know, it's kind of like the
John Rant thing. It's like, Okay, you didn't break any laws. Okay,
(09:42):
maybe there are some jobs somewhere where you're allowed to
bring a gun with you to work, or you're allowed
to have gun on social media. The NBA doesn't want
you to do it, so don't do it. And it's
kind of the same here with the NFL. Is there
is nothing fundamentally wrong with betting ten bucks or fifty
bucks or a hundred bucks on whatever. Right, But if
you you know your employer, And by the way, and
(10:03):
all our Vegas guys, Todd Furman and Bernie Frettle will
tell you all these teams have meetings, conferences, police people,
FBI people whoever into the facility to say exactly what
you can and cannot do. And I would rather be
the guy that plays it too safe and either doesn't
bet at all or triple checks or talks with his
(10:24):
players you didn't rep or whatever, then the guy that
is too careless, because it's just I'm not saying that
fundamentally what he did was wrong. But what I am
saying is, as to your point, which I actually agree with,
the second, third, fourth time that a guy gets caught
at some point, just stop doing it because it's not
worth losing everything that you could potentially lose by the.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Way out of curiosity. And I have a number in
my mind, but I'm not gonna say anything. First, I
want to ask you first, out of all our listeners,
whether it's Collins and Dan Patrick's or our weekdays weekends,
all the listeners here at Fox Sports Radio, how many
do you think gamble ten fifty ninety percent? Give you
a number. How do you think actually gamble on sports?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Just sports fans in general. They don't have to be
sports fans, they could just gamble sports. Yeah, well, no,
I mean I think that it's mostly like I don't think,
you know, if you start including you know, ninety year
old grandmas that don't know sports.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But like I think well, they may do lottery tickets. Okay, no,
but yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Let's just talk sports fans because I just I do
think the number is higher than people think. And I'll
tell you, like during March Madness or during the NCA tournament,
I'm not talking about a bracket. I'm talking about actually betting.
You'd be surprised the number of people that would say
to me, Hey, Torres Murray State plus ten you know,
or hey, what do you think about this? Uh futures
bet that I made or whatever. So I think it's
(11:45):
a higher percentage. What I do also think is that
the volume of money bet is much lower. I think
most people are throwing ten dollars on a three team
parlay on a Sunday.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't think most people are are.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Egregiously betting out of their the price range that they
can afford.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
How many are betting though, So what I say, seventy
five percent of our listeners, is that too high or what?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, I think it's a little high only because of
legalized sports betting isn't available everywhere, Like I can't just
bet on stuff unless I'm gonna download some crappy app
that's illegal, and I'm not going to right, but no,
I mean I would have said more than fifty percent.
Seventy five feels a little high to me, but I
think it's probably more than fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, like you said, you know a lot of people
March madness. It's it's crazy. Vegas is crazy, whether it's
like the NFL playoffs, March madness or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, we talked to Todd last night when when I
was filling in with you last night for Plank. He said,
if there's a game to bet on, people be in
the sportsbook, even though it's a little bit of a
slower time. And he mentioned how now you know people
can't get enough of the NFL. They're betting the futures.
He said, they wouldn't even put up numbers, especially for
college football until late August. It's early June, and people
(12:58):
are betting over under winter early season line stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
How many people bet the Vegas Golden Knights tonight out
there in Vegas? Oh boy, they probably just destroyed the
books out there, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Or what? Well, you can bet on nights games in Vegas, right,
I know, something like like in Jersey you can't bet
on Jersey colleges like you can't bet on Rutgers or
seat in hall. I would assume you can bet Knights
games though, Oh yeah, I believe you are, and you
know everybody in Vegas bet the Knights. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They I'm sure they made a boatload of money, destroyed
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stinking genius one like this one. NBA final ratings are
in the toilet because Jimmy Buckets and the Joker are
not flashy enough. Great fundamentally, but a snoozer for the
general audience. We talked a little bit about this yesterday.
First of all, Aaron, if it was Los Angeles, if
it was the Lakers in Boston Celtics in the finals,
you think we'd wait an hour and a half to
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talk about Game three and what happened on Sunday. It'd
be all Lakers, Boston, this, that and the other. Jack Nicholson,
we'd be talking about stars and we'd be going crazy.
Here we are, and I listened to everybody's show today.
Not very many started. I don't think anybody started with
Denver Miami. But he's right they're not flashy enough. Ratings
(15:22):
are down. Depending on how you look at it, they
are in the toilet. Look, it's one one, so hopefully
it keeps everybody's attention, but it's certainly not as enjoyable
as some of the other series out there. And Craig
Carton from the TV Show in the Mornings said that
if Miami wins, they'll be the worst team to ever
win a championship. I think we have to agree with that.
(15:44):
I have to agree with that. Also, the worst team
to ever win a championship NBA Championship.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, and you were just saying yesterday that you felt
like the underdog story was overrated for Miami, that they
were better than people were trying to give him credit for. No.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I just said, I didn't feel like a great underdog store.
I didn't feel that, you know, like it was a
sixteen seed get underdog story like well, like a George
Bason in the Final four, is what I was saying.
It's not that type of thing. But but answer my question,
though I didn't hear it, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I said, if it's not some great underdog story, then
how can they be the worst team to ever win
the finals?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well, because they are an eight seed, and usually in
the NBA, you don't have a team that bad winning
the NBA Championship. Now, they did go through some injuries
and stuff like that. I I will give them that,
but they would like, can you think of a question?
Can you think of a team that was worse that
win a championship?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think you could argue Dirk's MAVs. I mean, oh no, why,
I mean, listen, here's my question. I was thinking about
this today. Yeah, the we we as a basketball community.
I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying me. Most
people agreed that there were two teams that were cut
above everybody else in terms of the chances to win
the championship in the regular season, Milwaukee and Boston. Miami
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beat both of them. Miami beat both of them to
advance to the NBA Finals. If they were to beat
a number one seed, I don't think you could sit
here and say that that's the worst team that's ever
won a championship. I mean, I think I do think.
I actually, I actually feel very confident saying that I
think Dirk's MAVs were significantly worse than this team.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well, first of all, they did beat Milwaukee without a
healthy honest who also missed two games. You certainly have
to look at that. That's a that's a big part
of it, is it not? Or what?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's an a part of it. It's a part of it.
I don't know if it's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And then in Game seven for Boston, uh Tatum went
down with the spright ankle right off the bat. That
kind of put them behind the eight ball at that point.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I guess they were also up three to nothing on Boston.
And what I would also say is it's not like
it's some fluke. They were a shot away from making
the finals last year, made the finals in twenty twenty.
I mean, they're literally a made Jimmy Butler three pointer
away from this being their third finals in four years.
By the way, Yeah, here's the other thing. They're a
mis Derek White layup at the buzzer from beating Boston
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in six and not even having to worry about Jason
Tatum's injury.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well that's true, but let me ask justin why are
ratings in the toilet? To say, then, why why are
they so far down? If if it's a good series, I.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Think it's fair to say that these two teams do
not move the needle for the average fan. And this
is something again, I know what I was filling in
last night. We talked a little bit about is. I
don't have a good answer as to why the NBA
has seemingly been unable to create any stars that the
general public is interested in besides Stephen Lebron in like
the last fifteen years. I mean, it's just amazing that
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any series that doesn't involve one of those two essentially
isn't watched. I mean, we can debate, we can argue,
and it's I understand eight million, nine million, ten million
people is a huge number, but relative to what ratings
get with those guys, relative to what Game one in
the NBA Finals did last year with Steph in it,
I don't really get it. But I think you're right, Arnie,
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And I even look at myself, I mean talking with
friends and I was talking to a buddy on the
way over is.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I don't know. I'm enjoying the games. I enjoy both teams.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I enjoy the narratives, but it's like hard for me
to get excited to talk about well, in game six,
you know, I mean in game two last night. I mean,
you know that opening run by Miami and then Denver countered,
and it's like in years past, it felt like every
game you would want to break down and talk about.
And I know part of it was those lebron calvs.
Versus the Golden State Warriors teams, but even since then,
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I remember enjoying talking about the Raptors and the Warriors,
and this year, I don't know, man, I don't have
a good answer, Arnie. I mean, do you have a
good answers toll?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You know, I'll give you this. You know, it's interesting.
I read one of those radio articles in our industry
and they were interviewing a radio talk show host who said,
you know, this matchup, I don't even have to watch it.
I don't do a national show. I do a local
show here in Cleveland, fare Nobody, nobody. If it was
the Lakers of Boston, he'd be watching it. But because
nobody really cares about, you know, Denver Miami. If it
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was a better matchup and there was something more intriguing,
I don't know, maybe it'd be different, but I don't
even really have to watch it. What do you think
about hosts that's say, well, I'm not doing Nationals. I
don't really have to watch the game. There's not a
lot of sports going on right now anyway, Why wouldn't
you watch the game? Right?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
But I think that's that's a little unfair.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I mean we if we were doing radio in Vegas,
we would probably be watching the Knights, And we're watching
the Knights, but we're not breaking it down. If you're
doing radio in Cleveland, you're probably breaking down Ohio State's
offseason and the Browns offseason.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You brought another a proud guy gotta got held up, right?
Got Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Well that that's kind of a crazy story in its
own right, is there's some sort of players are being targeted.
I think three Browns players have been targeted by criminals
in like the last couple of days, which is scary.
But I I don't have a problem with a host
in Cleveland not feeling like he has to watch minute
by minute to break it down. But here's the bigger question, Arnie.
(21:07):
If you're a sports talk radio host, inherently you probably
like sports. So the fact that he doesn't on his
own want to watch it, No, I'm serious. I'm serious,
because there's all sorts of sports that I know that
we're not going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I enjoy watching the softball, the college baseball. We're not
gonna hardly bring that up. But I love watching that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean, Listen, there's a lot of hosts that realistically
are probably not gonna talk even a lot of college
football on their shows. They still probably watch Ohio State Michigan,
even if they know they're not breaking it down play
by play. So I think that's actually an interesting conversation
and a concern for the NBA is that actual sports
fans aren't compelled enough to watch it. Because even if
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you're let's say you're Colin Cowherd or Doug Gottlieb or whatever,
and you don't do a ton of college football, if
there's still a big alib Sbama LSU game, you still
want to watch it because it's Alabama LSU.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I I get the sense.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
And I don't want to speak for Doug or Colin
or the odd couple and how they do their show,
but you're still gonna want to watch it. If you
have real sports fans that don't even feel the need
to watch these finals, that's a problem. Any Is that
an NBA problem or you problem.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I mean, you know, it's a huge NBA problem because
most of the time, you know, it's it's just that
this was like the perfect storm. We've said that before.
You know, you got two teams. There's really no villains
in this thing. There's really no heroes.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Might be might be in game three, Tyler will coming back.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, I don't think he is coming back. Actually, there
was a report that his hand.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
You didn't get the joke. He said there's no heroes.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I said, we might have a Tyler game free went
over my head and went over my head.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
No, but why they're throwing out of your basket.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
That is why this is because I'm too old to
this day of the jokes here. You're right about that,
but yeah, that one one right over my head. Sorry
about That's okay. I love that.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I try. I try. I'm trying for America.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But it's right. But there's just no intrigue in this matchup,
nothing that gives you like, oh, I can't wait for
this next and I can't wait for this, and I
want to see what this guy's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm with you like that. I'm with you, I mean,
and it's not just just a Lebron thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I like, I said that Raptors Warrior series I remember
being captivated by. You know, obviously you want to go back.
So many of them included Lebron, so it's hard to
think of anything pre you know, outside of Lebron. But
you know, I'm just trying to think of the finals
last few years. I mean, I don't know. I just
think I do think it's a fundamental problem for the NBA.
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Lebron is thirty eight years old. Steph is thirty four.
I believe or he will be thirty five. He might
be thirty five this year. You have to create guys
that people want to watch, and it doesn't feel like
they've done a very good job of that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Brian says, give you the Heat and Nuggets over subpar
Lakers and Celtics much more interesting and entertaining to watch
than boring Boston or LA. He's gonna be in the
minority on that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Let me say this, Yeah, I think you can argue
they're more fun to watch. I don't think they're more
fun to talk about, though, Like I think when Lebron
loses or Lebron wins, for guys like you and I,
that's a lot more fun to talk about that. As
you said, Oh, you know jokicch I mean he scored
forty one, but he only had four cists.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
What does it mean?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
We'll talk about it next. It's like, I don't know
that that really moves the needle the way that it does. Oh,
Lebron just blew a lite or something like that, you
know what I mean. And that speaks to again not
having a villain, not having people that people are familiar with.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I want to get one more in what we're talking
about the twenty minutes ago about gambling, Jason says people
won the way Pete Rose was not allowed back in
the Major League Baseball because he's still betting on games
right or wrong. He knew gambling was forbidden and kept gambling.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
So you know, that is the point there.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I'm just worried now that was gambling is so relevant
right now in the radio and sports radio world, that
athletes are gonna continue to cross that line.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Aeron.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's that's the thing I'm most worried about there.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, to go back to the gambling conversation, I think,
like everything else, it will sort itself out. And the
other thing I will say on the gambling conversation. I
know Jason lockin for was on and I get what
he was saying.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
About.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You know, the owners are taking millions, but part of
the money that is being made off the sports betting
boom right now is going into the player's pockets. And
so if you want increased salary across the board, sometimes
there's gonna be limitations betting on games in the facility
are going to be those limitations.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yesterday, I told you I think there's about twenty guys
I'd rather have than Jimmy Butler. You said, name them,
I can't name off the top of my head. Well
I can name it now. Aeron Torres already span your
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(25:59):
Eric says, I don't care about the NBA, but I
find them more entertaining that there are different teams in
the finals. I get tired of the same old teams
making the championship games series. New teams make it interesting
to me. You say that, and this is kind of
what we do in the NCAA. Tournament. We like the
early upsets, but when it comes to push and shove,
(26:19):
we want the blue bloods in the final four, don't
we want to We want the big name teams in
the final four. We don't want the underdogs.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
As you've said a few times, I think you're right,
is you want people that create emotion. And in college
basketball it's formerly coach k it's Caliperry, believe it or not,
I think Kenzaga is at that point.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
And in the NBA it is Lebron.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
It is maybe the Celtics as a brand, it is
certainly the Warriors as a brand. And maybe that's just
the point is Jokic is too new. We don't know
enough about him. He hasn't said anything controversial, all that stuff,
but he doesn't create emotion. People aren't. People aren't tuning
in to root for him or against him. Right, say
what you want about Lebron. There's a lot of people
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that tune in to hate watch Lebron, that tune in
because they want to see him lose. And we just
the cowboys, like the Dallas Cowboys, like the Dallas Cowboys,
like the NFL. You know does a great job. I
mean the NFL is a little bit different. But I mean,
people don't like the Patriots, people don't like the Cowboys,
people don't like the Packers, people don't like Aaron Rodgers,
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people don't like Mahomes, people don't like Brady. I mean,
think about all these teams that you want to tune
into because you just they create emotion, they create interest,
they create excitement, and I think the NBA has done
just a very you know, listen, it's an old thing,
but the NBA. You know, the NFL is about the shield.
But the NBA about forty years ago with Bird and Magic,
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really went all in on building up its stars. And really,
over the last five six years, it feels like outside
of Lebron and Steph, those guys just don't move the needle.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I want to get what more in aiden sends this
and guys guys that think like you guys are there
is the reason that there isn't more parody in sports.
You complain about the same teams making it. When different
teams make it, you complain it's not the same. I'm
not complaining about the same teams making it. If you
had Golden State or the Lakers or the Celtics, or
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anything like that. I would not have complained about it.
I would have preferred that over the teams that we
have in right now. So I don't think I would
have complained about that at all.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I see the point I think
two things can be true is that I'm not upset
that we have new teams. I just don't think it's
as compelling of a conversation. That's all I said, is
it's hard for like, like I said, it's hard for well,
I mean, what does this mean for Yokich's legacy. It's like, well,
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probably nothing. It's one game. Whereas Lebron, it's like, you know,
I mean, let's be honest, we all know what the
conversations are. He lost in the finals, he lost in
the Western Conference finals. He won, he won in a bubble.
That doesn't count because it was in the Everything Lebron does,
it can be contextualized historically. Same with Steph Curry. I
just you know, like I said, I I don't know,
(29:08):
Yo Kitch. Maybe two, three, four years down the road
we start having those conversations maybe if we're lucky, but
we're just not there yet.
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Speaker 3 (30:24):
All Right, good evening, everybody, Aaron Torres, Arnie span You're
in for the guys, Jason Smith and his best friend
Mike Harmon. Now, we were also in yesterday too, and
we were arguing about Jimmy Butler. Everybody goes to Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Here's my thing, Arnie. Yeah, are you sure we can
squeeze the segment in in like four minutes? We can
say this later on the show.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, we got more than four minutes, you know what
I do? Oh wow? So look, I came up with
twenty names that I would rather have or is better
than Jimmy Butler. Right, so you have to take his
age of the considerations. These are twenty. Now, I'll give
you the twenty names real quick. If there's a name
that you don't agree with, just tell me how circled
(31:08):
and we can come back to it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
So here's my issue is that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Where Jimmy Butler's value comes in is not being one
of the five most talented players in the league. Where
his value comes in is that we in the media
have told the NBA and their players for the last
however many years that the postseason is all that matters.
Don't even bother playing in the regular season, because the
postseason is all that matters. Well, few players and there
(31:34):
are a few that that deliver better than him in
the post There aren't many, though, and so I am
going to hold it against guys. I don't care if
you score thirty seven points on a Tuesday, and sure
you can't go by that though I have. That's how
I'm judging him.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm not just doing strictly playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But that's what matters. I don't care that LaMelo Robert
Robert Ry, that LaMelo ball can go for thirty seven
and twenty and an eight point loss.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
So Robert Ory would be like one of the top
five player best players of all time.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I didn't say win the most championships. I said had
the most value in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
He had a lot of value in the postseason, a
lot of value. But I did it. I did it
for all. Let me just go through the list. If
if you ever to circle one and tell me and
I can come back to it. You know you have
the obvious ones like Joel Embiid, the Luca Lillard, Gilchrist.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I would take Dami. I would take Jimmy Butler over
Lillard right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
There, Okay, Gilchrist Alexander.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I would came over Gilchrist Alexander.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, obviously you don't know basketball. Jannis Tatum.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I would take over Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Is there something wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I've seen him finals. He outplayed Jason Tatum in the
last series. I don't know what you want from me.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Curry, Durant, Lebron, Donovan Mitchell, I'd take Oh.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
My god, I'd take him over Donovan Mitchell. Are you
kidding me? Is this a real list?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, believe me, it's a real list.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Delie Booker is on the fence. I could I could
see Vin Booker. Jalen Brown, Oh my god, I take
him over. Jylen Brown, no doubt, no doubt. He just
outplayed Jalen Brown in a series. I didn't say, Julius Randall,
I said Jalen Brown. Maybe you misheard me, Jalen Brown.
Who the Celtics are willing to listen to trade offers
for book continuing either he John Morant, take him over.
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Job Zion, Oh my god, take him over Zion. Uh
Zion's gonna be working with us in a year. He
can't play kicking on the field a d I take
I take a d over him. I would uh your kitchen.
Murray Murray's on the cusp.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, not even.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
You literally said last night Murray. Every sixty points a
game in the in the regular season. This is this
the heat of the moment thing.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh you're killing me, You're killing me all right?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Uh Brunson, I take him over Brunton, No doubt you're.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You're not gonna like my last two Now Lori marketing?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Oh why are we even doing this? And what is
his activity?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And very Young?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Why don't you just we should.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Probably why Trey Young is no good either? Right do
you when Beniyama? Why don't you throw in Henderson? He
might be good in ten years.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
You know, every one of those guys not only average
more points than Jimmy Butler, but a lot more points
than Jimmy Butler. Do you understand that?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
The fact watching the playoffs field.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You made me circle seven guys, and those seven guys,
five of them could be Hall of famers by the
time their career.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Jimmy Butler's gonna be a Hall of famers. So that's
a moot point.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But continue, first of the fact that you'd say you'd
rather have Jimmy Butler over Tatum and over nowt played
them in the playoffs. No, it's a team game here.
You understand that, don't you?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I know?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
And his team is inferior, and he carried them past
Jason Tatum's team, So.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Then you'd rather have, uh, Jimmy Butler over Jannis. Then
they beat the Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
It's here's in again. We're talking.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I'm talking about if I have to win a playoff
series tomorrow, would I take him over You're talking about
if the conversation is the next ten years, then yeah,
I'd probably take Jason Tatum. But nobody cares about ten
years because a lot of stuff changes in ten years.
Ben's You would have taken Ben Simmons over him two
and a half years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm serious. You would have taken Kyrie over him three
or four years ago. So I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I think you're minimizing all those guys on that list.
You really are.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I think you're minimizing Jimmy Butler, who's been to two
straight finals, has been the best player on a team
that has gone to the finals and back to back
years and two out of the last four years, and
was a shot away from going to the finals last year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Doesn't he have a video of all his airballs? Wait,
that's a commercial. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, I would, Yeah, we could look for John Donovan
Mitchell's airballs, but he's been on that.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He didn't get that joke I just gave you.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
I didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
You didn't get commercial then with a I.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Don't watch commercials on anyway?
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