June 8, 2023 • 40 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss what Heat Culture really means and what other teams should takeaway from it, the end of the Nuggets vs Heat Game Three and what the Nuggets winning means going forward, and NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins the guys!
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he came back for Game three of the finals. Get
off my back, all right, we're here, all right, Game
three of the Finals right now, nine to thirty four
to go in the third quarter. Been a pretty good
start to the third quarter for the Nuggets, a six
to ozho lead out of the gate. Here fifty nine
fifty now is their lead over the Heat. Jamal Murray's
got twenty yoll Kich on his way to yet another
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triple double sixteen, twelve and eight. Meanwhile for the Heat,
Jimmy buckets playoff Jimmy, at least what we're close to
getting for playoff Jimmy leading the way with eighteen now
for the Miami Heat. But again the Nuggets with a
seven point lead right now after a bucket make it
fifty nine fifty two early in the third quarter. Now,
I know my prediction is now cooked, right, I know,
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I'm pretty such it is cooked. It's done. I know
it's cooked. Now my prediction is cooked. I said, Nuggets
in a sweep, And really I blame the Nuggets because
the Nuggets were the team that decided, Eh, you know,
we've been winning these games by a lot, we're up fifteen,
we don't really need to go crazy, and they let
the Heat come back and take Game two, which blew
my prediction out of the water.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, they did their best in game one to leave
the door open for the Heat to go and steal
that one too, you know, but it ends up a
double digit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Win Game one.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Game two they came and they they've done smiteed you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
They do they done smited me. Yeah, they've done smite.
They've done they've done smidered you. Oh that is right.
I've been watching a lot of King of the Hill. Okay,
they've done walking back, he says, click click click, click,
click clicking. At least that time, boom, you get a
tissue to three pointing making out their appear. I was
to cover raps, want pass, try to turn them to pass,
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not Shelbourne. I would say that's done. Train and the
Swiss wist switch Swiss wich. So I know this, I
know that my prediction is done. However, I firmly expect
this game to be a Denver Nugget pull away and
win this game big, because look, you know, I started
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thinking about this after we talked to Rick Buker last
week and one of just a comedy had that was
kind of an aside to us after Game two. It was,
you know, sometimes teams just have too much success. And
when you have too much success, do you really feel, hey,
we really have to batten it down and raise our
game a level when everything we've been doing has been working.
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And honestly, that's been the Nuggets the entire playoffs. Right,
So when you think about that, Okay, if Game two
was a game that the Nuggets had the heat, got
the Nuggets attention, this should be a game where the
Nuggets are in the third quarter into the fourth quarter,
a team that, hey, we even though we're gonna get
a great run here from Miami, we're gonna make a run,
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but we're going to win this game because we're the
better team. It could have been Game two. I am
firmly believing that was a get your attention game and
then Michael Malone got upset, and you know, the Nuggets
aren't getting any attention. Now, We're getting too much attention.
I don't know where the happy medium is. And so
this is one of those games where, Okay, they win
Game two, I expect to win tonight and win Game
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four and win Game five and win the series in five.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it's going seven. That's what I'm expecting. You we're
gonna get every game and then.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Some Nuggets in five, Nuggets in five, what I'm curious
watching this game unfold. Right, it's the Jokich Murray show show.
I don't think really anybody else has done a whole
hell of a lot for the Nuggets, yet they still
have a ten point lead, even Jamal Murray getting all
loose balls, a lot of activity. You look at the
assist column, both guys rolling through. Jamal Murray trying to
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become the first guy to have three ten plus assist
games in his first three NBA Finals appearances, fantastic. Jimmy
Butler has already taken what nineteen shots. That's usually not
a recipe for success when he's up near thirty shots
at the end of a game. But likewise, we've seen
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the data of Jokic. Is their score up in the
in the forties that they're usually not per forming too well.
I think it was seven and thirteen during the regular season,
oh and three in the playoffs. So if he's getting
his that's fine. A lot of others standing around Michael
Porter Junior, he's wearing a cloak of invisibility. I haven't
seen him. Well, you'll get your Murray have like forty
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five points between the two. They're done everything. It's literally
become NBA jam. It's well, hey, you know that sometimes
NBA jam was pretty cool. I never liked NBA jam
because I would always try to play the Knicks and
they never had no well, I mean, they didn't let
Larry Johnson jump high enough. I'm like, I have to go,
Can you make NBA jam with Youing and Starks? Then
maybe I have a chance. No, no, no, it's gonna
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be l J and Spree. Well, well we stink that's
not gonna happen. What am I gonna shoot threes with
Larry Johnson? Come on, man, well you could. I would
make for a fun display. I'm not going. Am I
gonna shoot threes and make him with Larry? Okay? The question? Yeah, yeah,
your your question was flawed. Yeah, well there you go.
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I just left out the part that people thought was obvious.
Larry Johnson's not making those so obvious. That's what point
that Your reference with Rick Bucker, though, is the idea
of you cruise through a regular season, and it's one
thing we brought up about the Nuggets and people get mad.
It's like, well, they were the one of the few
teams that went through relatively unscathed in the regular season.
The rotation that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They had on Game one is the rotation they're running now.
Most other teams have had a lot of loss, the
attrition or guys that underperformed, or guys that had to
be shipped out, all those things. We've seen different levels
of changeups along the way. And so the idea that
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you've you've got that continuity, which is a great thing.
But you know, to your you've always brought up the
Peyton manning. You play at this level, can you kick
it up when it matters?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
What do you?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Have?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Talked a lot about Kyler Murray to mix sports once again.
A guy who where everything became so seemingly so easy,
number one overall pick in the NFL, top ten pick
in Major League Baseball, all of those things right now.
He'd meet the King of Oakland slash Las Vegas eventually here.
But it's the idea that does he work hard enough
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because he's always had things come so simply or seemingly
so simply, And so I get that philosophy to a point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the Miami Heat and they're relentless, you know, culture
everybody was. They decimated their culture in Game one, like no,
they still fought back in the fourth quarter and got
everybody a little nervous and a little bit salty, and
then they go and win Game two. Yeah, I don't
think you destroyed the culture in a game. It's usually
not how that works. Thet gone if they're gone, If
there really is.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A culture to be you know, it does not get
decimated in the matter of forty eight minutes of basketball.
It was the dopiest run of things I've ever seen
in Ah, there's lots of dopey things. Come on, man,
it gave me the dopiest.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, I'm just trying to say in the moment, I
don't know it dopiest because dopest is different. Dopiest. Yeah,
dopeest is a word, adopt dope.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of dopey things, and we
do our best to call you call them out here.
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But I'm glad you brought up the heat culture. I'm
glad because this has been a whole, big thing the
last couple of days. Well, the Heat have the game.
It's one one. What heat culture? Heat culture? Heat culture? Well, yeah,
it was dead and then it was resurrected. Did you
see like that? It didn't even take three days. Look,
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let me just let let me, let me just say this, okay,
because I'll tell you exactly what heat culture is. And
it's no different than the culture of any other team
that will do the one thing the Heat does. Why
they're still playing now. The Heat play hard all the time.
That shouldn't be a heat culture thing, but apparently it is,
because we see the Nuggets. They don't play hard all
the time. Did the Celtics play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Did the Lakers play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did the Nicks play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The Heat play hard all the time. But that that
is heat culture, which is no matter what, we're not
gonna give up. We're gonna still take threes, We're gonna
still try to fight our way back. We're not gonna
give a game away. We're not gonna show up flat.
We show up to win every game in a big way.
And when your opponents don't, that leaves the door open
for you. That's heat culture. It should be the culture
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of every single team in the NBA, but it's not.
Effort is everything, and you think, well, of course all
teams try. Then why after game one and game two
is Michael Malone going, we just have no effort? What
the hell is our effort going? Where is our effort?
It's the NBA Finals And he's right, because it is
the NBA Finals and you are still talking about effort
and teams coming out flat. That never happens with the Heat.
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That is heat culture. You woulda tell Ohiga, that's heat culture.
Is just we don't quit. We keep trying. We're always
trying to get back into a game. We never give up.
We believe in each other. Every team should have it,
but the Heat apparently have it more than a lot
of other teams.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
But it goes back to being a team as opposed
to here's two stars at a collection of guys, and
you're banking on those stars to carry you through with
the heat. You know, when everybody was doing the how
do you how do you rank the players? You know,
who's the most talented guy? Nobody's putting Jimmy Butler or
bam Adebayo up there, unless they were adding the element
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into their algorithm of try hard and attitude. Yeah, then
then all of a sudden, these guys are stars in
a different in their own right. But for the Heat
pat Riley, Eric spolsterro as long as he's been there,
If you're not gonna give forty eight minutes of effort,
this is why Jimmy Butler works there and why he
didn't work in his last several places of employment. Yes,
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I guess you could say it was about him. The
fact is that he wanted to win, and he wanted
you to show up and have a work ethic and
play fundamental basketball, and that was regarded as a bad
thing in Minnesota. Got him bounced in Chicago, had got
him bounced Philadelphia, they decided they drafted who No, they
they made remember the famous they chose him over me
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as he's.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Running into the tunnel. All of those things.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All it took was finding a place where, hey, you
want to come play basketball for forty eight minutes a
night and actually try. Yeah, that's what we do here
in Miami. We play hard because it is Miami, but
damn it, we're gonna work hard.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
To I mean, look, that's heat culture. And when a
team that's more talented puts forth the effort that's needed.
This is what happens. We have now seen in the
last couple minutes. The Nuggets go on a huge run.
It's now a fourteen point lead for Denver with two
minutes to go in the third quarter. Look, it's not
that suddenly, oh, hey the Heat. No, this is how
the Heat keep winning. Right, you played a Bucks team
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that never really played like they were in trouble. Right,
they never seem like, hey, we have the sense of
desperation they needed. They didn't have it. Then at the end,
we didn't believe in our coach Jannis is saying, why
didn't we make these adjustments? So, you know, were the
Bucks playing at the highest level? No, of course not,
because when you're questioning your team strategy after your first round,
you know you weren't playing the way you should be.
You weren't giving the effort, and everything wasn't there. Second
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round against the Knicks, what happened. The Knicks just threw
up on themselves. Julius Randall couldn't move, they couldn't find
a way to get their offensive players involved, and the
Heat played probably a B minus series and still won
that thing in six, right, and then you get to
the Eastern Conference Finals where the Celtics ultimately tried and
quit and tried and quit, and the Heat out lasted
them in seven. You get to this NBA Finals. If
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the Nuggets try, if the Nuggets play, it doesn't matter
what the Heat does. That's why the Nuggets are such
overwhelming favorites. It makes no difference what the Heat do
because the Nuggets are that much more talented. But games,
when hey, we come out flat and think we can
do whatever we need to, you're gonna wind up losing.
But that's heat culture, my friend. That is heat culture.
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Speaker 1 (12:52):
We got Rick Bucker coming up. In about fifteen minutes,
we break down Game three of the NBA Finals. Nikolokicic
triple double first thirty twenty ten at triple double in
NBA Finals, history has out them history. For Nicola Jokic,
you'll make history history. We also got a triple double
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from Jamal Murray who was thirty four ten and ten.
But let's let's get into something that I threw out
there a couple minutes ago, because it's going to wind
up being debated and we're gonna say it, and that's
what's going to wind up happening. But so far, here
we are through three games of the NBA Finals, right,
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and Nikola Jokic's Game one twenty seven fourteen assists, ten rebounds,
Game two forty one eleven rebounds, four assists, Game three
thirty two points, twenty one rebounds, ten assists. Will Nikola
Jokic because right now, look at where he's at getting
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ready for the rest of the NBA Finals. We have
seen dominant NBA finals from Lebron James before. But what
Jokic is doing here with every game being a triple
I mean, the guy could have a triple doublin or
near triple doublin in almost every single game. Can Jokic
go down as the best NBA Finals of the last
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thirty years, since the turn of the century, even further back, right,
because you had Jordan had some amazing NBA Finals obviously,
I mean, I mean he did have some Scottie Pippen
tells you nobody knows who he is, but uh, he
did have some great NBA finals, But all in all,
like has has someone been able to dominate in every
facet of the game like this? This is absolutely stunning.
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As good as he is that he's coming in here
to the finals and twenty seven to fourteen and ten,
forty one, eleven and four, thirty two to twenty one
and ten, he may go down as having the best
NBA Finals that we've seen. I can't go back to
before I watched the NBA and go back in the
early seventies and before that in the sixties and Wilt Chamberlain.
But so I go, I'll go back to what nineteen
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eighty nineteen nine, I mean, dominant performance is an NBA
Finals history. But if this is what we're gonna get
from Jokis, we're gonna get thirty, twenty and ten, the
next couple of games all the way through, You're gonna
go down being being the most dominant NBA Finals player
ever had. Is a good question. Uh, And you know me,
I love lists.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So let's go uh Shaquill O'Neal with the Lakers back
in two thousand, twenty nine, seven thirteen to six nearly
four assists a game and three blocks per game. That's
that's that's pretty ridiculous, right, So you've got that. You
I'm looking at all the NBA Finals MVPs as you
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flow through, I mean Lebron obviously some monster numbers along
the way, but that's that's probably it. I'd put that
Shaquille O'Neill year up. I think is probably since two
thousand the best, and I mean nineteen ninety. You ain't
touching it because it's a shot that everybody walks off
and and goes into history.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know, the rest of the five doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Russell falling away as if the force had sent him off,
You don't need to be defending me now, uh is
about as good as it gets. But yeah, I'll take
that shack here and I'll post that for now.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, So you have that for now. But remember
we said it also had style and power. Yeah, well
it had the star paler and.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I like the Goaliejokic and star power is certainly
there as a player. But you know, I got to
bring everybody to the yard. I got to bring everybody
out to line the courts to watch Mike. Do you
want me to pass. No, do you want me to slam? Yeah,
that's what you got.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Do you want me to shoot?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
No, no, no, I don't want you to say. I
don't want you to sing Kellys either. I don't I
don't want that. I know that's where you're going. I
don't want that either. No, I know it works, though,
tam Ray, it's better than Okay, I am an ass
man saw. I mean it was in the drops, but
you're talking about now that series by Shack, this series
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by Jokic still with at least two more games to go,
and it's a twenty three year game with it at
least two more games to go. I mean, I mean
that modern era NBA Finals history. It's gonna be tough.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They told me that triple doubles don't matter when Russell
Westbrook had a bunch of them.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, Russell Westbrook hasn't won a championship. This would be
him leading them. Yeah no, but you get my point.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Guy did it average for a season and we were
supposed to go eh whatever he did it before, the
fact that he's doing it again doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
But this is if it was a bigger spotlight, I
would say it would be easy, but because it's the
Nuggets and not the Lakers, it's gonna be tougher. Look,
Giannis's you know, game clinching, Game seven, clinching seven, you know,
fifty point game that may go down as the best
Game seven performance, But you're talking about an entire series,
and especially when you're not gonna get a lot of games,
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not a game, not a game. You're not gonna get
a lot of games out of the Nuggets if they
they play like this next couple of nights, it's two
more games and that's it, and it's and it's and
it's Jokic with you know, thirty twenty and ten the
next couple of nights, because clearly he's just getting stronger
as a series is going on.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, I mean, you're trying to pick your poison as
to how to defend and administer whatever pressure you can
do him. The assists are gonna pile up just organically
because of the way guys move off the basketball in Denver,
and it's a thing of beauty. And to think that
Michael Porter Junior, who coming into this series a lot
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of excitement over the fact that he'd finally accepted the
role as the number three guide. Gotten past the injuries,
the attitude, all of those things that had plagued the
early part of his career. He's been invisible and it
doesn't matter. Right someone else is stepping into the fray.
You're getting great work game in and game out by
a guy who was once a top five pick and
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Aaron Gordon who finds his home there in Denver eleven
and ten tonight broad off the bench. We talked about
him earlier, how huge is it? But it's he's a
guy that's gonna get rewarded by a guy like Nicole
Jokic for the effort, which means more attempts if you're
gonna keep flying towards the basket for opportunities at the reck.
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So yeah, I mean the balls in his hands as
much as it doesn't have to flow through anybody else.
That's the That's the thing that stands out right. If
we're gonna go do the side by side. Shaquille needed
to dump in, dump back, whatever, all of those things
and then Bulldozia whereas Jokiic got some finesse, you got
the jump shot steps out for the three and the
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distribution and the eyes in the back of his head.
Some of the stuff he's been able to do with
the basketball. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch. It's clinic.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So just when you see this topic tomorrow the debate shows,
whatever it is or on the red, just know that, hey,
hey we threw it out there tonight and people are
gonna take.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Well, let's start making our list at swollen do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Marrows takes the night before? But yeah, he's gonna he's
gonna wind up going down look, being that dominant being,
and nobody's gonna remember it. Jason, Uh, you listen, you
don't remember because you got swept by by Jokic. So
that happened. But you also have the Nuggets sweep in
the heat, So we both got swept. Dude, if you
got if the Nuggets had just didn't need game two
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to be getting the to get there, the Lakers didn't
get swept, they'd still be playing the Nuggets. It should
be it should be a sweep of the Nuggets because
they've won so many games by so many points. Hey,
do we really have to go crazy and bust our
bust our meds and blow for one Jason, they would
have won both. No, that that Mets are, you'd be
close to a winning The Mets are not nearly what
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the Nuggets are. No, the Nugget look the Nuggets. You
get bored when you win the way the Nuggets have
done through the NBA playoffs. They are also the Nuggets.
They're playing Denver. Nobody cares about that. But the thing
is is that when you win big, you you get
by with not playing your best, winning and thinking that's
good enough. You did your best, and you think your
best was good enough, And once in a while a
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game happens and it gets your attention. They Game one,
they weren't great all the way through, but they got by.
So they figure, do we really have to have that
eye of the tiger for Game two? No, they're up
by fifteen and what happens? They give it up and
Michael Malone talks about the effort that the Nuggets did
not have in Game two, and you saw it because
you saw the Heat rotating to wide open threes all
the time, coming back in it, getting big shots and
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him going where are we defensively? That game got the
Nuggets attention.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, to be fair, in Game one, the Heat missed
most of those shots that fell in Game two, they
did miss it, and then today there were a lot
of open looks. Yeah, and then you get into the
fourth quarter, and this is where we get into the
heat in effectiveness. Bam and Jimmy combined to go one
for nine, one for nine in the fourth quarter at
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a bio one for seven.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
He was awful. You know, I'm glad you brought that up,
because this is something we got to get into with
Rick Bucker in a few minutes, because the oh, how
do I say this? The image of playoff Jimmy is
starting to take a big hit. And whether it's he's tired,
he's hit many minutes himmy, or he just is getting
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a little bit more credit because we were looking for
a storyline. This is not a guy who's great every
single game. He has moments where he is amazing and
I can do it, yeah, right, and and he'll have
individual games where he is amazing and then a lot
of games where yeah, he's seven out of twenty one
for sixteen points. Dude, If playoff Jimmy doesn't play like
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playoff Jimmy every game, he'd aren't gonna win. Well, I'm
like playoff Jimmy today, And you know, I'm as big
as Jimmy Butler's stand. Going back to his time with
the bulls Man as there is, it was Yimmy in
my family. If you couldn't pronounce the j as a
little kay, people called everybody Yimmy yim man.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But with Butler, we talked about it at halftime. He
had eighteen shots, didn't see the balls, didn't make it,
take a lot of shots down the stretch, and even
in time where there were was still seemingly with a
couple of makes and stops an opportunity to get back
in the game, did a lot of dribbling around, trying
to ferret out and wasting time on the clock in
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the final minute. So really, uh, quizzical is that a word?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, we're saying that playoff Jimmy. How much of
a thing is it when when he's not he's not
playing like Jokic every game? You know, I mean, he's
he can dominate in spurts, he can dominate big games.
But then you get two three games in a row
where it's well, yeah he had and he had nineteen Okay,
well all right, then you look and go, he's twenty
two point a game scorer is he really that great
(23:48):
or can Once in a while he elevated his play right,
the whole playoff Jimmy thing. It gets overblown because we
need something.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We need.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Jimmy. Look how good Jimmy? Jimmy once in a while,
the twenty hour newscle what is it? The legend is dead?
Bertie Heaby, No, the legend could still blank you up,
beautiful girls.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
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Speaker 1 (24:16):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon Hobo live from the Tirack dot Com studios,
where we just watched the Nuggets dominate the Heat one
O nine to ninety four. Nikola jokicic the first ever thirty,
twenty and ten triple double in the NBA Finals. Jamal
Murray also a triple double? Is there a way out
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for the Heat? Joining us now on the Hotline Fox
Sports One, NBA insider host of the On the Ball
Podcast with Rick Buker. It is Rick Buker. What's happening
to my man? How are you.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Very very good? I was concerned that if the Miami
Heat won Game three, and I have to do the
show with Joy Taylor on speak, who is a let's say,
very strong Heat proponent, that it could be a long
day tomorrow. So I'm relieved that that will not be
the case.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh, she's not even showing up, Are you kidding? She's
calling in sick after this.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I will be there, will be there. He's part of
the Miami Heat culture. He's uh, he's gonna show up.
She's gonna make you, you know, win the argument. He's
gonna say, hey, like, we're right where we were supposed
to be. They Denver didn't win there too. In in Miami.
They are in Denver. They regained home court advantage, but nothing,
(25:37):
nothing has been lost that that. I'm pretty sure that's
the argument that she will have and uh, and we'll
try to wade our way through that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
All right. So let me bring into a couple of
things we've discussed the last few minutes on the show.
I'm going to give you a statement, and you tell
me the odds are we're saying this at the end
of the NBA Finals. Right now, my my nugget sweet
prediction is out the window. But certainly it looks like
Nuggets in five, will we be saying after this NBA
Finals Nicola Jokic put up the best performance in modern
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NBA Finals history. Wow, he's on his way.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He is certainly, he is certainly on his way. And
I don't know that. I mean the numbers will say
that it that it is. I think it's already he's
doing historic things. So yeah, Look, this is the struggle
that I have and I and I had it when
we asked the question the other day on TV. Has
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he proved that he's the best player on the planet?
And people mistook me downgrading Jokic and saying no, he
hasn't because it's not because I don't think he's potentially
the best player on the planet. I'm just looking at
the word proved. Is he proving it right now? And
(26:56):
it's really easy in this in this vacuum where the
Denver Nuggets are well, I believe the decidedly better team,
and Jokic is matched up with aam Adebayo, who is
good and his defense is known because of its versatility.
He can guard one through five. But they don't really
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have they don't have an answer for Jokic in terms
of a challenger defensively, and they're not the better player.
If this is if this was Jannison and Milwaukee Bucks,
it was Joel Embiid in the in the Philadelphia seventy
six ers, was it was almost any other team that
had a comparable superstar, particularly one that's been the best
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player on the planet conversations, I would feel better about
saying that he's proving it right now? Is he in
the conversation? He's been for a while, But as of
right now, he's doing what he should do against this
Miami Heat team, team with the size advantage and the
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overall talent advantage that then that the Denver Nuggets have.
So I'm sure people will come away from this series saying,
you know, the greatest performance or whatever, and I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna argue with it, but I think
we do have to take in context who they're playing,
and the Miami Heat deserve to be here. There's no
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question they exploited every opponent that they played. But are
the Miami Heat truly one of the best, most dominant
teams in the league. I can't say that the advantages
overall that the Nuggets have in this series. That's why
you would say that that you expected Denver to sweep.
Is that the platform on which we're gonna annoint people something?
(28:49):
You know, historic I'm just a little slow to do
that because we get the next season and he goes
space up with Giannis or Joe El Embiid and they dominate,
and do we have to pull it back and say, well,
now he's not He's not the best player in the
planet on the planet anymore. Maybe maybe we maybe we
moved that quickly and easily. I'm just if I'm going
(29:09):
to say somebody is the absolute best, then it's the
absolute best. He's the absolute best, and there's not a
whole lot that can change that. If that if I
don't know if any of that makes sense, But that's
that's kind of the way I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, you sound like me, pragmatism, rationality.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yet somehow we still are employed in sports media because
it's supposed to be hot take nonsense.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
At list radio right now? Rick works.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, so I don't know, you know, I might get
pick slips tomorrow as a result.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Well you know that means, uh, just go on air
and just say, hey, playoff, Jimmy is dead.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Well yeah, well I don't know. According to Jimmy, playoffs
Jimmy never never existed. Then he trademarked that just to
I don't know, protect protect himself from the next playoff.
Jimmy maybe a little bit like pat Riley of trademarking
three team.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No, that's good you oh eight bucks? No?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah? Oh damn it. Okay, as long as I get
a cup of coffee with it, I'm good. Yeah, of
big face coffee, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Rick Buker, our guest the Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon,
Live from the Tirack dot Com studios. All Right, so
the thing is you mentioned heat culture, and this is
a conversation had a couple of times. Is I say
to myself, Okay, what is heat culture? Heat culture is
something that honestly, every team should have. It's a head
coach that gets his players to play hard all the
(30:34):
time and not give up. That's heat culture. That should
be every team's culture. But it's the heat culture because
as we see in the playoffs, the Nuggets, the Lakers,
the Celtics, the Knicks, they can't always play hard and
try to shoot their way back into games. But the
Heat do it. It's not some kind of crazy thing
heat culture. You agree or disagree with that, No, it's
(30:55):
not crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't think it's as easy to man a facture
as as you would think, because it's too I don't
if you play hard, you're getting paid a lot of money.
This is this is your job, do it, do it well,
and put all your energy into it every time out.
(31:18):
In order to build this culture, though, you have to
have a number of ingredients that that are not always
easy to come by and are and take time to develop.
And one is that you have to have your owner
and your GM and your head coach all in alignment,
(31:38):
supporting each other and saying this is the way we're
going to play. These are the kind of players that
we're going to get. We're not going to reach for
the shiny object. We're going to be about how we
play the game as opposed to who plays the game
for us and uh. And so it then demands that
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you have the same expectations and hold the line for
every single player every single day, and you're not having exceptions,
and you're going to back up your coach when it
comes to a battle between him and the star or
the superstar. And there's just a lot of teams that
(32:23):
don't have the appetite for that. For one reason or other,
they look at the star player and they go, well, man,
he sells a lot of season tickets, and he sells
a lot of corporate sponsorship. And an owner will say, hey, look,
we gotta we gotta do you know, we gotta be careful.
We don't we don't want to lose this star. John
Morant like, you could leave Memphis and then where are we.
(32:43):
You gotta be willing to You've got to be willing
to say we will lose that guy in order to
uh to maintain our culture because in the long run,
it's going to work for us. And if you don't
do that, then you're going to have flippage. And the
Miami Heat have just been as a loop and how
they've approached things, and they've been very specific on the
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kind of guys that they that they draft. You you know,
it's all the jokes about South Beach and being in Miami.
I'll never forget. Brian Grant told me that when when
pat Riley was recruiting him and they were standing inside
the arena and they were looking at there's windows on
the upper concourse and you can look out and you
(33:25):
can see South Beach from there, and they were looking
out as a beautiful scene and Fat goes, yeah, that's
that's South Beach. You're not gonna be spending a whole
lot of time there, And he's got clied out that
if you are, he's going to know about it. So
but but that's the approach you have to have, and
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you have to have guys who are going to come
to Miami and say, you know what, Yeah, South Beach
is right there, and I'm a gazillionaire and my contracts guaranteed,
but I'm I'm going to go through the condition. I'm
going to have, you know, I'm going to have my
body fat checks on a daily basis. I'm willing to
do that to be part of this. Not every guy
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will sign up for that. Those guys are hard to find,
and to find twelve of them or fifteen of them.
So that's that's that's what it takes. And that's why
the Heat are so unique because they are dedicated to
that first and foremost.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
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Chris Paul meeting with Sons officials new coach Frank Vogel.
(34:50):
Does he remain there as part of the nucleus or
is he going to get jettisoned.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'm sure the conversation, but from what I've heard, at
least initially, is the idea that they're moving in a
different direction. Now. There's a lot of this just depends
on what it's going to cost to keep him, and
I think as of at this point, I know that
they had a certain deadline that they had to waive
(35:17):
him or not guarantee his contract for next year, and
then it would be reduced from like thirty to fifteen million.
My guess is that when a team says we're not
going to pay you what we originally signed you to,
that the player is going to go. You know what,
(35:39):
I'm going to go. I'm going to go find someplace
else to play. And I think there are a number
of teams that certainly could use Chris Paul when healthy
and he actually might have a better chance of chasing
a ring there. I don't know that the fit with
Kevin Durant there now is the ideal and Devin Booker
(36:02):
is the ideal fit. I'm what I'm going to keep
my eye on is whether they can make a deal
moving DeAndre Ayton and being able to pick up another
big man and potentially another point guard that is either
less expensive or simply younger than Chris paul Is in
order to build a championship team around KD and the
(36:23):
Booker Eric.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Lastly, the latest on the Ja Morant situation is camp
float out there that the gun in the video that
is seen and be suspended was a toy gun, and
we go, okay, all right, so is that really a
good idea? I'm going to wave a toy gun around?
So we have this development. We know that Adam Silver
is gonna come down with some kind of decision after
the NBA Finals is over. What are you hearing? How
(36:46):
big can this be? Can it be a season? Can
it be forty games? And does this new toy part
of the gun, you know, laying into it anywhere?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I have not heard, I have not heard specifically how
severe the penalty is going to be and I don't.
Pretty much everybody is guessing at this point, guessing based
on the fact that Adam Silver didn't want to discuss
it until after the finals, which only makes good business sense,
even if it's ten games.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Why bring it up?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Why bring up an issue like that in the midst
of the NBA Finals and this track from the main attraction.
All that said, I am plummocks and bamboozled. In terms
of who might be running John Morant, I don't know
(37:35):
media profile it. It is astonishing to me that they
think that if it was a toy gun and not
a real gun that he was brandishing, that that somehow
changes things. When you sit down with Adam Silver and
he lets you know that this is not the It
(37:57):
wasn't like he was shooting the gun or he committed
a crime with the gun. It's that you are demonstrating
a reckless behavior with what appears to the general public
as a gun. We don't want that in our league,
and if it happens again, there's going to be a
(38:19):
severe penalty. And I actually the idea that you would
then say, like you try to spin it to it
wasn't a real gun. It was a toy gun. You
not only anger out of silver, you lose all your
street crews. Dude, what are you pretending with a toy like?
What are you? What is this about?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's just it is the.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I hate it. I don't like to use this word loosely.
It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in terms of
a response for where John Morant is the idea that
somehow if it's not a real gun and the image
that you portrayed isn't the same. I don't know who
(39:07):
suggests even if it was true. I'm not running that
out there to try to get people to think of
this situation in a different way.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
He's on Twitter at Rick Buker, that is at Rick Buker.
Check him out as well the On the Ball podcast
on FS one. What do you got coming up on
the On the Ball?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Is it is it?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Nick's preview? How they get embiid?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
What?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
What is it? What do we got?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I don't know what it is, but I can say
with the utmost disturn that it will not be there. No.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean r J.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Barrett, if we redrafted the twenty nineteen class, would be
the number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, you know, what that's what it's going to be
is that is the whole that that draft class has left.
R J. Barrett including I'm sorry. There it is of
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
There you go, there's your next on the ball. There
you go, just like that.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I'm on it. I'm on it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
See you buddy, we'll talk to you.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
See Rick R. Take part. You know,
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(01:00):
he came back for Game three of the finals. Get
off my back, all right, we're here, all right, Game
three of the Finals right now, nine to thirty four
to go in the third quarter. Been a pretty good
start to the third quarter for the Nuggets, a six
to ozho lead out of the gate. Here fifty nine
fifty now is their lead over the Heat. Jamal Murray's
got twenty yoll Kich on his way to yet another
(01:22):
triple double sixteen, twelve and eight. Meanwhile for the Heat,
Jimmy buckets playoff Jimmy, at least what we're close to
getting for playoff Jimmy leading the way with eighteen now
for the Miami Heat. But again the Nuggets with a
seven point lead right now after a bucket make it
fifty nine fifty two early in the third quarter. Now,
I know my prediction is now cooked, right, I know,
(01:45):
I'm pretty such it is cooked. It's done. I know
it's cooked. Now my prediction is cooked. I said, Nuggets
in a sweep, And really I blame the Nuggets because
the Nuggets were the team that decided, Eh, you know,
we've been winning these games by a lot, we're up fifteen,
we don't really need to go crazy, and they let
the Heat come back and take Game two, which blew
my prediction out of the water.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, they did their best in game one to leave
the door open for the Heat to go and steal
that one too, you know, but it ends up a
double digit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Win Game one.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Game two they came and they they've done smiteed you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
They do they done smited me. Yeah, they've done smite.
They've done they've done smidered you. Oh that is right.
I've been watching a lot of King of the Hill. Okay,
they've done walking back, he says, click click click, click,
click clicking. At least that time, boom, you get a
tissue to three pointing making out their appear. I was
to cover raps, want pass, try to turn them to pass,
(02:39):
not Shelbourne. I would say that's done. Train and the
Swiss wist switch Swiss wich. So I know this, I
know that my prediction is done. However, I firmly expect
this game to be a Denver Nugget pull away and
win this game big, because look, you know, I started
(03:00):
thinking about this after we talked to Rick Buker last
week and one of just a comedy had that was
kind of an aside to us after Game two. It was,
you know, sometimes teams just have too much success. And
when you have too much success, do you really feel, hey,
we really have to batten it down and raise our
game a level when everything we've been doing has been working.
(03:22):
And honestly, that's been the Nuggets the entire playoffs. Right,
So when you think about that, Okay, if Game two
was a game that the Nuggets had the heat, got
the Nuggets attention, this should be a game where the
Nuggets are in the third quarter into the fourth quarter,
a team that, hey, we even though we're gonna get
a great run here from Miami, we're gonna make a run,
(03:44):
but we're going to win this game because we're the
better team. It could have been Game two. I am
firmly believing that was a get your attention game and
then Michael Malone got upset, and you know, the Nuggets
aren't getting any attention. Now, We're getting too much attention.
I don't know where the happy medium is. And so
this is one of those games where, Okay, they win
Game two, I expect to win tonight and win Game
(04:05):
four and win Game five and win the series in five.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it's going seven. That's what I'm expecting. You we're
gonna get every game and then.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Some Nuggets in five, Nuggets in five, what I'm curious
watching this game unfold. Right, it's the Jokich Murray show show.
I don't think really anybody else has done a whole
hell of a lot for the Nuggets, yet they still
have a ten point lead, even Jamal Murray getting all
loose balls, a lot of activity. You look at the
assist column, both guys rolling through. Jamal Murray trying to
(04:32):
become the first guy to have three ten plus assist
games in his first three NBA Finals appearances, fantastic. Jimmy
Butler has already taken what nineteen shots. That's usually not
a recipe for success when he's up near thirty shots
at the end of a game. But likewise, we've seen
(04:52):
the data of Jokic. Is their score up in the
in the forties that they're usually not per forming too well.
I think it was seven and thirteen during the regular season,
oh and three in the playoffs. So if he's getting
his that's fine. A lot of others standing around Michael
Porter Junior, he's wearing a cloak of invisibility. I haven't
seen him. Well, you'll get your Murray have like forty
(05:13):
five points between the two. They're done everything. It's literally
become NBA jam. It's well, hey, you know that sometimes
NBA jam was pretty cool. I never liked NBA jam
because I would always try to play the Knicks and
they never had no well, I mean, they didn't let
Larry Johnson jump high enough. I'm like, I have to go,
Can you make NBA jam with Youing and Starks? Then
maybe I have a chance. No, no, no, it's gonna
(05:33):
be l J and Spree. Well, well we stink that's
not gonna happen. What am I gonna shoot threes with
Larry Johnson? Come on, man, well you could. I would
make for a fun display. I'm not going. Am I
gonna shoot threes and make him with Larry? Okay? The question? Yeah, yeah,
your your question was flawed. Yeah, well there you go.
(05:55):
I just left out the part that people thought was obvious.
Larry Johnson's not making those so obvious. That's what point
that Your reference with Rick Bucker, though, is the idea
of you cruise through a regular season, and it's one
thing we brought up about the Nuggets and people get mad.
It's like, well, they were the one of the few
teams that went through relatively unscathed in the regular season.
The rotation that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They had on Game one is the rotation they're running now.
Most other teams have had a lot of loss, the
attrition or guys that underperformed, or guys that had to
be shipped out, all those things. We've seen different levels
of changeups along the way. And so the idea that
(06:37):
you've you've got that continuity, which is a great thing.
But you know, to your you've always brought up the
Peyton manning. You play at this level, can you kick
it up when it matters?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
What do you?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Have?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Talked a lot about Kyler Murray to mix sports once again.
A guy who where everything became so seemingly so easy,
number one overall pick in the NFL, top ten pick
in Major League Baseball, all of those things right now.
He'd meet the King of Oakland slash Las Vegas eventually here.
But it's the idea that does he work hard enough
(07:10):
because he's always had things come so simply or seemingly
so simply, And so I get that philosophy to a point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the Miami Heat and they're relentless, you know, culture
everybody was. They decimated their culture in Game one, like no,
they still fought back in the fourth quarter and got
everybody a little nervous and a little bit salty, and
then they go and win Game two. Yeah, I don't
think you destroyed the culture in a game. It's usually
not how that works. Thet gone if they're gone, If
there really is.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A culture to be you know, it does not get
decimated in the matter of forty eight minutes of basketball.
It was the dopiest run of things I've ever seen
in Ah, there's lots of dopey things. Come on, man,
it gave me the dopiest.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, I'm just trying to say in the moment, I
don't know it dopiest because dopest is different. Dopiest. Yeah,
dopeest is a word, adopt dope.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of dopey things, and we
do our best to call you call them out here.
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But I'm glad you brought up the heat culture. I'm
glad because this has been a whole, big thing the
last couple of days. Well, the Heat have the game.
It's one one. What heat culture? Heat culture? Heat culture? Well, yeah,
it was dead and then it was resurrected. Did you
see like that? It didn't even take three days. Look,
(08:31):
let me just let let me, let me just say this, okay,
because I'll tell you exactly what heat culture is. And
it's no different than the culture of any other team
that will do the one thing the Heat does. Why
they're still playing now. The Heat play hard all the time.
That shouldn't be a heat culture thing, but apparently it is,
because we see the Nuggets. They don't play hard all
the time. Did the Celtics play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Did the Lakers play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did the Nicks play hard all the time?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The Heat play hard all the time. But that that
is heat culture, which is no matter what, we're not
gonna give up. We're gonna still take threes, We're gonna
still try to fight our way back. We're not gonna
give a game away. We're not gonna show up flat.
We show up to win every game in a big way.
And when your opponents don't, that leaves the door open
for you. That's heat culture. It should be the culture
(09:19):
of every single team in the NBA, but it's not.
Effort is everything, and you think, well, of course all
teams try. Then why after game one and game two
is Michael Malone going, we just have no effort? What
the hell is our effort going? Where is our effort?
It's the NBA Finals And he's right, because it is
the NBA Finals and you are still talking about effort
and teams coming out flat. That never happens with the Heat.
(09:41):
That is heat culture. You woulda tell Ohiga, that's heat culture.
Is just we don't quit. We keep trying. We're always
trying to get back into a game. We never give up.
We believe in each other. Every team should have it,
but the Heat apparently have it more than a lot
of other teams.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
But it goes back to being a team as opposed
to here's two stars at a collection of guys, and
you're banking on those stars to carry you through with
the heat. You know, when everybody was doing the how
do you how do you rank the players? You know,
who's the most talented guy? Nobody's putting Jimmy Butler or
bam Adebayo up there, unless they were adding the element
(10:16):
into their algorithm of try hard and attitude. Yeah, then
then all of a sudden, these guys are stars in
a different in their own right. But for the Heat
pat Riley, Eric spolsterro as long as he's been there,
If you're not gonna give forty eight minutes of effort,
this is why Jimmy Butler works there and why he
didn't work in his last several places of employment. Yes,
(10:39):
I guess you could say it was about him. The
fact is that he wanted to win, and he wanted
you to show up and have a work ethic and
play fundamental basketball, and that was regarded as a bad
thing in Minnesota. Got him bounced in Chicago, had got
him bounced Philadelphia, they decided they drafted who No, they
they made remember the famous they chose him over me
(11:02):
as he's.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Running into the tunnel. All of those things.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All it took was finding a place where, hey, you
want to come play basketball for forty eight minutes a
night and actually try. Yeah, that's what we do here
in Miami. We play hard because it is Miami, but
damn it, we're gonna work hard.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
To I mean, look, that's heat culture. And when a
team that's more talented puts forth the effort that's needed.
This is what happens. We have now seen in the
last couple minutes. The Nuggets go on a huge run.
It's now a fourteen point lead for Denver with two
minutes to go in the third quarter. Look, it's not
that suddenly, oh, hey the Heat. No, this is how
the Heat keep winning. Right, you played a Bucks team
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that never really played like they were in trouble. Right,
they never seem like, hey, we have the sense of
desperation they needed. They didn't have it. Then at the end,
we didn't believe in our coach Jannis is saying, why
didn't we make these adjustments? So, you know, were the
Bucks playing at the highest level? No, of course not,
because when you're questioning your team strategy after your first round,
you know you weren't playing the way you should be.
You weren't giving the effort, and everything wasn't there. Second
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round against the Knicks, what happened. The Knicks just threw
up on themselves. Julius Randall couldn't move, they couldn't find
a way to get their offensive players involved, and the
Heat played probably a B minus series and still won
that thing in six, right, and then you get to
the Eastern Conference Finals where the Celtics ultimately tried and
quit and tried and quit, and the Heat out lasted
them in seven. You get to this NBA Finals. If
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the Nuggets try, if the Nuggets play, it doesn't matter
what the Heat does. That's why the Nuggets are such
overwhelming favorites. It makes no difference what the Heat do
because the Nuggets are that much more talented. But games,
when hey, we come out flat and think we can
do whatever we need to, you're gonna wind up losing.
But that's heat culture, my friend. That is heat culture.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
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Speaker 1 (12:52):
We got Rick Bucker coming up. In about fifteen minutes,
we break down Game three of the NBA Finals. Nikolokicic
triple double first thirty twenty ten at triple double in
NBA Finals, history has out them history. For Nicola Jokic,
you'll make history history. We also got a triple double
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from Jamal Murray who was thirty four ten and ten.
But let's let's get into something that I threw out
there a couple minutes ago, because it's going to wind
up being debated and we're gonna say it, and that's
what's going to wind up happening. But so far, here
we are through three games of the NBA Finals, right,
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and Nikola Jokic's Game one twenty seven fourteen assists, ten rebounds,
Game two forty one eleven rebounds, four assists, Game three
thirty two points, twenty one rebounds, ten assists. Will Nikola
Jokic because right now, look at where he's at getting
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ready for the rest of the NBA Finals. We have
seen dominant NBA finals from Lebron James before. But what
Jokic is doing here with every game being a triple
I mean, the guy could have a triple doublin or
near triple doublin in almost every single game. Can Jokic
go down as the best NBA Finals of the last
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thirty years, since the turn of the century, even further back, right,
because you had Jordan had some amazing NBA Finals obviously,
I mean, I mean he did have some Scottie Pippen
tells you nobody knows who he is, but uh, he
did have some great NBA finals, But all in all,
like has has someone been able to dominate in every
facet of the game like this? This is absolutely stunning.
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As good as he is that he's coming in here
to the finals and twenty seven to fourteen and ten,
forty one, eleven and four, thirty two to twenty one
and ten, he may go down as having the best
NBA Finals that we've seen. I can't go back to
before I watched the NBA and go back in the
early seventies and before that in the sixties and Wilt Chamberlain.
But so I go, I'll go back to what nineteen
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eighty nineteen nine, I mean, dominant performance is an NBA
Finals history. But if this is what we're gonna get
from Jokis, we're gonna get thirty, twenty and ten, the
next couple of games all the way through, You're gonna
go down being being the most dominant NBA Finals player
ever had. Is a good question. Uh, And you know me,
I love lists.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So let's go uh Shaquill O'Neal with the Lakers back
in two thousand, twenty nine, seven thirteen to six nearly
four assists a game and three blocks per game. That's
that's that's pretty ridiculous, right, So you've got that. You
I'm looking at all the NBA Finals MVPs as you
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flow through, I mean Lebron obviously some monster numbers along
the way, but that's that's probably it. I'd put that
Shaquille O'Neill year up. I think is probably since two
thousand the best, and I mean nineteen ninety. You ain't
touching it because it's a shot that everybody walks off
and and goes into history.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know, the rest of the five doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Russell falling away as if the force had sent him off,
You don't need to be defending me now, uh is
about as good as it gets. But yeah, I'll take
that shack here and I'll post that for now.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, So you have that for now. But remember
we said it also had style and power. Yeah, well
it had the star paler and.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I like the Goaliejokic and star power is certainly
there as a player. But you know, I got to
bring everybody to the yard. I got to bring everybody
out to line the courts to watch Mike. Do you
want me to pass. No, do you want me to slam? Yeah,
that's what you got.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Do you want me to shoot?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
No, no, no, I don't want you to say. I
don't want you to sing Kellys either. I don't I
don't want that. I know that's where you're going. I
don't want that either. No, I know it works, though,
tam Ray, it's better than Okay, I am an ass
man saw. I mean it was in the drops, but
you're talking about now that series by Shack, this series
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by Jokic still with at least two more games to go,
and it's a twenty three year game with it at
least two more games to go. I mean, I mean
that modern era NBA Finals history. It's gonna be tough.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
They told me that triple doubles don't matter when Russell
Westbrook had a bunch of them.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, Russell Westbrook hasn't won a championship. This would be
him leading them. Yeah no, but you get my point.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Guy did it average for a season and we were
supposed to go eh whatever he did it before, the
fact that he's doing it again doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
But this is if it was a bigger spotlight, I
would say it would be easy, but because it's the
Nuggets and not the Lakers, it's gonna be tougher. Look,
Giannis's you know, game clinching, Game seven, clinching seven, you know,
fifty point game that may go down as the best
Game seven performance, But you're talking about an entire series,
and especially when you're not gonna get a lot of games,
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not a game, not a game. You're not gonna get
a lot of games out of the Nuggets if they
they play like this next couple of nights, it's two
more games and that's it, and it's and it's and
it's Jokic with you know, thirty twenty and ten the
next couple of nights, because clearly he's just getting stronger
as a series is going on.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, I mean, you're trying to pick your poison as
to how to defend and administer whatever pressure you can
do him. The assists are gonna pile up just organically
because of the way guys move off the basketball in Denver,
and it's a thing of beauty. And to think that
Michael Porter Junior, who coming into this series a lot
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of excitement over the fact that he'd finally accepted the
role as the number three guide. Gotten past the injuries,
the attitude, all of those things that had plagued the
early part of his career. He's been invisible and it
doesn't matter. Right someone else is stepping into the fray.
You're getting great work game in and game out by
a guy who was once a top five pick and
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Aaron Gordon who finds his home there in Denver eleven
and ten tonight broad off the bench. We talked about
him earlier, how huge is it? But it's he's a
guy that's gonna get rewarded by a guy like Nicole
Jokic for the effort, which means more attempts if you're
gonna keep flying towards the basket for opportunities at the reck.
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So yeah, I mean the balls in his hands as
much as it doesn't have to flow through anybody else.
That's the That's the thing that stands out right. If
we're gonna go do the side by side. Shaquille needed
to dump in, dump back, whatever, all of those things
and then Bulldozia whereas Jokiic got some finesse, you got
the jump shot steps out for the three and the
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distribution and the eyes in the back of his head.
Some of the stuff he's been able to do with
the basketball. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch. It's clinic.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So just when you see this topic tomorrow the debate shows,
whatever it is or on the red, just know that, hey,
hey we threw it out there tonight and people are
gonna take.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Well, let's start making our list at swollen do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Marrows takes the night before? But yeah, he's gonna he's
gonna wind up going down look, being that dominant being,
and nobody's gonna remember it. Jason, Uh, you listen, you
don't remember because you got swept by by Jokic. So
that happened. But you also have the Nuggets sweep in
the heat, So we both got swept. Dude, if you
got if the Nuggets had just didn't need game two
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to be getting the to get there, the Lakers didn't
get swept, they'd still be playing the Nuggets. It should
be it should be a sweep of the Nuggets because
they've won so many games by so many points. Hey,
do we really have to go crazy and bust our
bust our meds and blow for one Jason, they would
have won both. No, that that Mets are, you'd be
close to a winning The Mets are not nearly what
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the Nuggets are. No, the Nugget look the Nuggets. You
get bored when you win the way the Nuggets have
done through the NBA playoffs. They are also the Nuggets.
They're playing Denver. Nobody cares about that. But the thing
is is that when you win big, you you get
by with not playing your best, winning and thinking that's
good enough. You did your best, and you think your
best was good enough, And once in a while a
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game happens and it gets your attention. They Game one,
they weren't great all the way through, but they got by.
So they figure, do we really have to have that
eye of the tiger for Game two? No, they're up
by fifteen and what happens? They give it up and
Michael Malone talks about the effort that the Nuggets did
not have in Game two, and you saw it because
you saw the Heat rotating to wide open threes all
the time, coming back in it, getting big shots and
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him going where are we defensively? That game got the
Nuggets attention.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, to be fair, in Game one, the Heat missed
most of those shots that fell in Game two, they
did miss it, and then today there were a lot
of open looks. Yeah, and then you get into the
fourth quarter, and this is where we get into the
heat in effectiveness. Bam and Jimmy combined to go one
for nine, one for nine in the fourth quarter at
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a bio one for seven.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
He was awful. You know, I'm glad you brought that up,
because this is something we got to get into with
Rick Bucker in a few minutes, because the oh, how
do I say this? The image of playoff Jimmy is
starting to take a big hit. And whether it's he's tired,
he's hit many minutes himmy, or he just is getting
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a little bit more credit because we were looking for
a storyline. This is not a guy who's great every
single game. He has moments where he is amazing and
I can do it, yeah, right, and and he'll have
individual games where he is amazing and then a lot
of games where yeah, he's seven out of twenty one
for sixteen points. Dude, If playoff Jimmy doesn't play like
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playoff Jimmy every game, he'd aren't gonna win. Well, I'm
like playoff Jimmy today, And you know, I'm as big
as Jimmy Butler's stand. Going back to his time with
the bulls Man as there is, it was Yimmy in
my family. If you couldn't pronounce the j as a
little kay, people called everybody Yimmy yim man.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But with Butler, we talked about it at halftime. He
had eighteen shots, didn't see the balls, didn't make it,
take a lot of shots down the stretch, and even
in time where there were was still seemingly with a
couple of makes and stops an opportunity to get back
in the game, did a lot of dribbling around, trying
to ferret out and wasting time on the clock in
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the final minute. So really, uh, quizzical is that a word?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, we're saying that playoff Jimmy. How much of
a thing is it when when he's not he's not
playing like Jokic every game? You know, I mean, he's
he can dominate in spurts, he can dominate big games.
But then you get two three games in a row
where it's well, yeah he had and he had nineteen Okay,
well all right, then you look and go, he's twenty
two point a game scorer is he really that great
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or can Once in a while he elevated his play right,
the whole playoff Jimmy thing. It gets overblown because we
need something.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We need.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Jimmy. Look how good Jimmy? Jimmy once in a while,
the twenty hour newscle what is it? The legend is dead?
Bertie Heaby, No, the legend could still blank you up,
beautiful girls.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
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Speaker 1 (24:16):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon Hobo live from the Tirack dot Com studios,
where we just watched the Nuggets dominate the Heat one
O nine to ninety four. Nikola jokicic the first ever thirty,
twenty and ten triple double in the NBA Finals. Jamal
Murray also a triple double? Is there a way out
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for the Heat? Joining us now on the Hotline Fox
Sports One, NBA insider host of the On the Ball
Podcast with Rick Buker. It is Rick Buker. What's happening
to my man? How are you.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Very very good? I was concerned that if the Miami
Heat won Game three, and I have to do the
show with Joy Taylor on speak, who is a let's say,
very strong Heat proponent, that it could be a long
day tomorrow. So I'm relieved that that will not be
the case.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh, she's not even showing up, Are you kidding? She's
calling in sick after this.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I will be there, will be there. He's part of
the Miami Heat culture. He's uh, he's gonna show up.
She's gonna make you, you know, win the argument. He's
gonna say, hey, like, we're right where we were supposed
to be. They Denver didn't win there too. In in Miami.
They are in Denver. They regained home court advantage, but nothing,
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nothing has been lost that that. I'm pretty sure that's
the argument that she will have and uh, and we'll
try to wade our way through that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
All right. So let me bring into a couple of
things we've discussed the last few minutes on the show.
I'm going to give you a statement, and you tell
me the odds are we're saying this at the end
of the NBA Finals. Right now, my my nugget sweet
prediction is out the window. But certainly it looks like
Nuggets in five, will we be saying after this NBA
Finals Nicola Jokic put up the best performance in modern
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NBA Finals history. Wow, he's on his way.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He is certainly, he is certainly on his way. And
I don't know that. I mean the numbers will say
that it that it is. I think it's already he's
doing historic things. So yeah, Look, this is the struggle
that I have and I and I had it when
we asked the question the other day on TV. Has
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he proved that he's the best player on the planet?
And people mistook me downgrading Jokic and saying no, he
hasn't because it's not because I don't think he's potentially
the best player on the planet. I'm just looking at
the word proved. Is he proving it right now? And
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it's really easy in this in this vacuum where the
Denver Nuggets are well, I believe the decidedly better team,
and Jokic is matched up with aam Adebayo, who is
good and his defense is known because of its versatility.
He can guard one through five. But they don't really
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have they don't have an answer for Jokic in terms
of a challenger defensively, and they're not the better player.
If this is if this was Jannison and Milwaukee Bucks,
it was Joel Embiid in the in the Philadelphia seventy
six ers, was it was almost any other team that
had a comparable superstar, particularly one that's been the best
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player on the planet conversations, I would feel better about
saying that he's proving it right now? Is he in
the conversation? He's been for a while, But as of
right now, he's doing what he should do against this
Miami Heat team, team with the size advantage and the
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overall talent advantage that then that the Denver Nuggets have.
So I'm sure people will come away from this series saying,
you know, the greatest performance or whatever, and I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna argue with it, but I think
we do have to take in context who they're playing,
and the Miami Heat deserve to be here. There's no
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question they exploited every opponent that they played. But are
the Miami Heat truly one of the best, most dominant
teams in the league. I can't say that the advantages
overall that the Nuggets have in this series. That's why
you would say that that you expected Denver to sweep.
Is that the platform on which we're gonna annoint people something?
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You know, historic I'm just a little slow to do
that because we get the next season and he goes
space up with Giannis or Joe El Embiid and they dominate,
and do we have to pull it back and say, well,
now he's not He's not the best player in the
planet on the planet anymore. Maybe maybe we maybe we
moved that quickly and easily. I'm just if I'm going
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to say somebody is the absolute best, then it's the
absolute best. He's the absolute best, and there's not a
whole lot that can change that. If that if I
don't know if any of that makes sense, But that's
that's kind of the way I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, you sound like me, pragmatism, rationality.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yet somehow we still are employed in sports media because
it's supposed to be hot take nonsense.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
At list radio right now? Rick works.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, so I don't know, you know, I might get
pick slips tomorrow as a result.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Well you know that means, uh, just go on air
and just say, hey, playoff, Jimmy is dead.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Well yeah, well I don't know. According to Jimmy, playoffs
Jimmy never never existed. Then he trademarked that just to
I don't know, protect protect himself from the next playoff.
Jimmy maybe a little bit like pat Riley of trademarking
three team.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No, that's good you oh eight bucks? No?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah? Oh damn it. Okay, as long as I get
a cup of coffee with it, I'm good. Yeah, of
big face coffee, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Rick Buker, our guest the Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon,
Live from the Tirack dot Com studios. All Right, so
the thing is you mentioned heat culture, and this is
a conversation had a couple of times. Is I say
to myself, Okay, what is heat culture? Heat culture is
something that honestly, every team should have. It's a head
coach that gets his players to play hard all the
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time and not give up. That's heat culture. That should
be every team's culture. But it's the heat culture because
as we see in the playoffs, the Nuggets, the Lakers,
the Celtics, the Knicks, they can't always play hard and
try to shoot their way back into games. But the
Heat do it. It's not some kind of crazy thing
heat culture. You agree or disagree with that, No, it's
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not crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't think it's as easy to man a facture
as as you would think, because it's too I don't
if you play hard, you're getting paid a lot of money.
This is this is your job, do it, do it well,
and put all your energy into it every time out.
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In order to build this culture, though, you have to
have a number of ingredients that that are not always
easy to come by and are and take time to develop.
And one is that you have to have your owner
and your GM and your head coach all in alignment,
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supporting each other and saying this is the way we're
going to play. These are the kind of players that
we're going to get. We're not going to reach for
the shiny object. We're going to be about how we
play the game as opposed to who plays the game
for us and uh. And so it then demands that
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you have the same expectations and hold the line for
every single player every single day, and you're not having exceptions,
and you're going to back up your coach when it
comes to a battle between him and the star or
the superstar. And there's just a lot of teams that
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don't have the appetite for that. For one reason or other,
they look at the star player and they go, well, man,
he sells a lot of season tickets, and he sells
a lot of corporate sponsorship. And an owner will say, hey, look,
we gotta we gotta do you know, we gotta be careful.
We don't we don't want to lose this star. John
Morant like, you could leave Memphis and then where are we.
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You gotta be willing to You've got to be willing
to say we will lose that guy in order to
uh to maintain our culture because in the long run,
it's going to work for us. And if you don't
do that, then you're going to have flippage. And the
Miami Heat have just been as a loop and how
they've approached things, and they've been very specific on the
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kind of guys that they that they draft. You you know,
it's all the jokes about South Beach and being in Miami.
I'll never forget. Brian Grant told me that when when
pat Riley was recruiting him and they were standing inside
the arena and they were looking at there's windows on
the upper concourse and you can look out and you
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can see South Beach from there, and they were looking
out as a beautiful scene and Fat goes, yeah, that's
that's South Beach. You're not gonna be spending a whole
lot of time there, And he's got clied out that
if you are, he's going to know about it. So
but but that's the approach you have to have, and
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you have to have guys who are going to come
to Miami and say, you know what, Yeah, South Beach
is right there, and I'm a gazillionaire and my contracts guaranteed,
but I'm I'm going to go through the condition. I'm
going to have, you know, I'm going to have my
body fat checks on a daily basis. I'm willing to
do that to be part of this. Not every guy
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will sign up for that. Those guys are hard to find,
and to find twelve of them or fifteen of them.
So that's that's that's what it takes. And that's why
the Heat are so unique because they are dedicated to
that first and foremost.
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Rick Buker, ri I C b U c h e Er.
Chris Paul meeting with Sons officials new coach Frank Vogel.
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Does he remain there as part of the nucleus or
is he going to get jettisoned.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'm sure the conversation, but from what I've heard, at
least initially, is the idea that they're moving in a
different direction. Now. There's a lot of this just depends
on what it's going to cost to keep him, and
I think as of at this point, I know that
they had a certain deadline that they had to waive
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him or not guarantee his contract for next year, and
then it would be reduced from like thirty to fifteen million.
My guess is that when a team says we're not
going to pay you what we originally signed you to,
that the player is going to go. You know what,
(35:39):
I'm going to go. I'm going to go find someplace
else to play. And I think there are a number
of teams that certainly could use Chris Paul when healthy
and he actually might have a better chance of chasing
a ring there. I don't know that the fit with
Kevin Durant there now is the ideal and Devin Booker
(36:02):
is the ideal fit. I'm what I'm going to keep
my eye on is whether they can make a deal
moving DeAndre Ayton and being able to pick up another
big man and potentially another point guard that is either
less expensive or simply younger than Chris paul Is in
order to build a championship team around KD and the
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Booker Eric.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Lastly, the latest on the Ja Morant situation is camp
float out there that the gun in the video that
is seen and be suspended was a toy gun, and
we go, okay, all right, so is that really a
good idea? I'm going to wave a toy gun around?
So we have this development. We know that Adam Silver
is gonna come down with some kind of decision after
the NBA Finals is over. What are you hearing? How
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big can this be? Can it be a season? Can
it be forty games? And does this new toy part
of the gun, you know, laying into it anywhere?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I have not heard, I have not heard specifically how
severe the penalty is going to be and I don't.
Pretty much everybody is guessing at this point, guessing based
on the fact that Adam Silver didn't want to discuss
it until after the finals, which only makes good business sense,
even if it's ten games.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Why bring it up?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Why bring up an issue like that in the midst
of the NBA Finals and this track from the main attraction.
All that said, I am plummocks and bamboozled. In terms
of who might be running John Morant, I don't know
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media profile it. It is astonishing to me that they
think that if it was a toy gun and not
a real gun that he was brandishing, that that somehow
changes things. When you sit down with Adam Silver and
he lets you know that this is not the It
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wasn't like he was shooting the gun or he committed
a crime with the gun. It's that you are demonstrating
a reckless behavior with what appears to the general public
as a gun. We don't want that in our league,
and if it happens again, there's going to be a
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severe penalty. And I actually the idea that you would
then say, like you try to spin it to it
wasn't a real gun. It was a toy gun. You
not only anger out of silver, you lose all your
street crews. Dude, what are you pretending with a toy like?
What are you? What is this about?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's just it is the.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I hate it. I don't like to use this word loosely.
It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in terms of
a response for where John Morant is the idea that
somehow if it's not a real gun and the image
that you portrayed isn't the same. I don't know who
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suggests even if it was true. I'm not running that
out there to try to get people to think of
this situation in a different way.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
He's on Twitter at Rick Buker, that is at Rick Buker.
Check him out as well the On the Ball podcast
on FS one. What do you got coming up on
the On the Ball?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Is it is it?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Nick's preview? How they get embiid?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
What?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
What is it? What do we got?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I don't know what it is, but I can say
with the utmost disturn that it will not be there. No.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean r J.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Barrett, if we redrafted the twenty nineteen class, would be
the number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, you know, what that's what it's going to be
is that is the whole that that draft class has left.
R J. Barrett including I'm sorry. There it is of
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
There you go, there's your next on the ball. There
you go, just like that.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I'm on it. I'm on it.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
See you buddy, we'll talk to you.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
See Rick R. Take part. You know,
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