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June 28, 2023 • 38 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon discuss if Josh Jacobs could hold out into the 2023 season, Ryan Seacrest plans to succeed Pat Sajak as the host of "Wheel of Fortune", and Steve Cohen promises some straight answers about the Mets tomorrow! Plus, Jason La Canfora - Longtime NFL Insider joins the guys!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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(00:52):
don't look now, don't look now, gotta have it. Through
five innings, the Dodgers lead the Rockies Ford to nothing.
Clayton Kershaw has not given up a hit. He gave

(01:14):
up a walk in the last inning, walked Elias Das
was a race in a double play. Kershaw no hits
through five. He is at sixty five pitches. This is
perfect who sixty five? Maybe by the ninthies at one hundred.
Dave Roberts just rubbing his hands together, going gonna come

(01:36):
at you after like eight and a third, Clayton coming
to get you. Get to a hundred pitches, maybe you
get to eighty five. I'm telling I'm gonna do it, Clayton.
I'm gonna be that guy. Dave Roberts just get getting
ready to yanke another Dodger out with a no hitter
slash perfect game.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, you've already got your grim reaper out there. I
grabbed the gift from the I gotta have more cowbell
as we uh don't fear the reaper here on a
Tuesday night, but kershaw day, he hurry down to two
five eight, only two strikeouts, so effective pitching balls put
in play, defense backing them up. Only sixty five pitches,

(02:15):
forty four of them for strikes thus far. And now
we just I need the picture and picture of Dave
Roberts man.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
That's all, do you really know?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, come on, he's gotta be sweating buckets like theyt
a inching closer and closer to the top step going.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are they gonna call down from the from the front
office and say take him out? Are they gonna they
come on, man, don't do it to me. Those just
pissed Kershaw only has sixty five pitches.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, if he was about ten, ten to twelve
pitches more, i'd be an easier decision.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
All right, you get one more game. Yeah, but at
sixty five pitches, so he's averaging about a little over
twelve pitches an in ink, right, so you figure another's
good for you. Another twenty four pitches puts him at
ninety So maybe he gets to the eighth in around
ninety pitches, which is when you get really nervous. Right, No,

(03:04):
leave the guy in. No, no, no, get ridy, We're
gonna bring it. Get gredder all up. That's everybody wants
to see. Get him of any eighth inning.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
We could be saying, it's gonna no, no, no, he's an opener.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Now it's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I can't gotta love the theater though.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, like, that's a beauty baseball every night, giving
us uh, just beautiful storylines, great performances. Martinez with two
home runs tonight. They're in Colorado, so everything you could want.
As we get closer to the All Star break, m.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
No hits through five, Dave Roberts has the scythe in
one hand. He's got, he's got, he's getting fitted right
now in the dugout for the robe. I'm ready to
come out there and get you, Clayton, ready to come
out and get you. The big long, bony fingers. He's
standing out there and he's pointing. He points to the bullpen.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Few Americans. You just talk, talk, talk just here. I
just want to say, and letting me tell you something.
We shut up because you're all dead.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I want like it is like like is is Dave Roberts?
And do they even is he even rooting for him
to continue on with a no hitter? Does he want
him to give up a hits just so it's easier
for him to take it out take him. I think
he doesn't like sitting there at the end of games
going you know, people say I'm gonna do this, and
I'm gonna do this. I won't let anybody pitch a
no hitter and all that. I mean, I can't think
he likes to do that. But at the same time,

(04:28):
is he really rooting for them to get it. Come on,
give up a hit, Just one little bleeder, just a
little bleeder. That ah, that, just a little two out.
Nobody on bleeder, and then we get the next out
so we can move.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, I gotta think at some point he's also gonna
crack under the Hey, I gotta keep giving these stock
speeches about this management style that they're forcing upon me
from on high.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Man can't do it anymore. Oh you wait for that
Dave Roberts book that comes out at the end chapter
five no hitters. Well, let me tell you that's how
it's gonna start. Well, hey, I got have I got
a story for you. I didn't want to do it,
felt I owed it to them. So here's where we
are right now. Clayton Kershaw another typical Clayton Kershaw, outing

(05:12):
forty four pitches for strikes. He's only got two strikeouts
in the game, so that's his strikeouts are down, but
still uh, sixty five pitches through five innings. Dodgers lead
the rock. He's pretty comfortable right now, five to nothing
on this. Yeah, but it's only going to be a
no hitter. No, it's only going to be an open
my book that's why you don't work for the Elias
Sports Bureau. All these stats are wrong. Frostburg Keepka. You

(05:35):
have guys with all kinds of no hitters for the Dodgers. Well,
I don't count that hit. It was hit very hard.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh okay, Well I would say this if he does
face like say, he finishes and he faces only the
minimum number of batters, I could get on.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Board that dude. That's what I'm talking about, Mike, you
know what I mean. But he walked the guy. But
he walked the guy.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, but then he erased him. Yeah, but he schwartzen
Anger and erased him.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
The guy got on base. It doesn't matter. Did you
see him there at the end of the inning?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
He go.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
But wait, I thought, no, Nope, didn't say wasn't a base?
Wasn't a base? Very long? Doesn't really count?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
No, No, no, he will Will Smith say I'm gonna
get all the action heroes in. He did the flashy
thingy thing to him.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So that's it. So still Clayton Kershaw no hits through five,
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Slash Match. We got a lot of big NBA stuff

(06:38):
to get to tonight. We're starting to get a little
interesting stuff going on in the NFL. Josh Jacobs potentially
could hold out. Derek Carr is speaking about what made
him really be done with the Raiders, which is kind
of insane, but we got to spend a few minutes here.
Just a shocking, tragic story to talk about as former Arkansas,
Michigan and Arkansas and NFL quarterback Ryan Mallett died in

(07:00):
an apparent drowning accident at the age of thirty five.
He was in Okaloosa County in at a beach with
some friends. A group of people were swimming in the
Gulf of Mexico near a sandbar, and they struggled to
make their way back to shore. Potentially could be a
rip current, could be some kind of undertow, we don't know.
One of the individuals, who has later identified as Ryan Mallett,

(07:22):
was not breathing when he was pulled out of the water.
Was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead,
and a shocking story and tragic for someone that we
all remember his career. We all remember everything that went
on with him. He was coaching in high school. Now
after leaving the NFL, he said, this is what I
always wanted to do. I know the game, I can
give back, and it's what I want to do. And

(07:44):
you know, just for a second, just for his NFL career,
we talk a lot about Jimmy Garoppolo being the guy
that was going to replace Brady, Right, that's what Bill
Belichick wanted because Brady was getting older and here's what
we're going to do. But Ryan Mallett was the first
guy that Belichick had identified to this is who I'm

(08:05):
going to replace Tom Brady with. Because he comes out
of the draft in twenty eleven, you know, after he
went to Michigan for a year and then transferred to
Arkansas where he had some huge years. Could have gone
to the NFL before his junior year, could have been
one of the top five quarterbacks pick, but I said,
went back for a senior year. Was a third round pick.
Here's the Patriots, who are in the middle of their
Super Bowl run in twenty eleven, and in the third

(08:27):
round Belichick took Ryan Mallett and he talked about him
what a great winner he was. He's won at every level.
This is a guy that's impressive when you talk to him.
This is the first guy that Belichick thought of saying, okay,
when Tom Brady, Tom, who knows how much longer Tom
Brady has left? Because at that point Brady had been
in the NFL for a decade. Right, So Brady came
in in two thousand, This is twenty eleven, right, this

(08:50):
is ten years as a starter, eleven years. Brady's in
his early thirties, and you don't know how much longer
he's gonna play. You don't know when he's gonna be
done playing. Is Brady gonna be able to stay in?
Nobody thought he could be this incredible defire of time
and played till till he was almost forty five years old.
So Ryannllett was the guy, like Belichicken identified him as, Hey,

(09:11):
the next iteration of this Patriots dynasty. We have to
start looking who's going to be next, because I don't
know if Tom's going to be this good forever. So
Ryan Mallett was the guy. But Mallet could never get
on the field. I mean, Brady was so durable and
never got you know, he got hurt the one year,
you know, he got hurt in twenty eleven, or in
two thousand and eight when Matt Castle came in when

(09:32):
Brady tore his acl but that was it, right, Brady
had been pretty durable the rest of the time, so
you knew that Brady was still going to play. So
you know, this was, Hey, we don't know how much
who knows how much longer Tom has left, and they
identified that Mallet could have been that guy, and if
they moved on, at some point, Ryan Mallett could have
been the next quarterback in the Patriots dynasty. Because when

(09:53):
you draft a guy the third round, you don't draft
a quarter even in twenty eleven, you don't draft a
quarterback in the third round unless you think, oh, at
some point, this guy going to wind up playing for us.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned the Matt Castle year. Remember
he parlayed that into what was then thought to be
in a ridiculous six year, sixty three million dollar deal
with nearly thirty million guarantees. Like whoa, It's like well, no,
that's that's out long ago.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
It is.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
That market was like now that that's you know, third
backup kind of money. But after that one year, I
mean every year we talk about it. I mean, you've
been doing fantasy football a long time. I was like,
all right, you got Philip Rivers, the Mannings, Breeze and
Brady and then maybe two or three other guys that
would get through a season unscathed. So the opportunity never grew.

(10:40):
There got an opportunity a little bit in Houston, and
then a couple of years with the Ravens and then
out of football, you know, a high school coach and
you know some outpouring of love in the community. But
you know a guy that we remember as as one
of the many that were there learning in that that

(11:00):
patriot patriot way for.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Lack of a better term, uh, the one.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
That's often used, but it's it's you know, one one thing,
one ankle, whatever, maybe a different career, but you know,
I saw this note today and I passed it to
you guys, and immediately, you know, my daughter was out
at the beach with her friends and it was just like,
all right, hey, someone's paying attention to you know, what
the waves are doing and whatever, right, so you know,
be smart, look out for each other. Like it immediately

(11:27):
hits you of all of that because I can't swim
for anything, so I go into the water. I'm I'm
just terrified, even when it's only at my waist. But
it's just one of those you know, momentary things that
that can can strike.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So you know, be.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Safe out there and just a tragic tale. Hopefully we
get some great montages from the people speaking that new
in best and certainly we get some of that old
video from him slinging it in college when he was
putting up those crazy numbers before throwing was the.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Thing I remember because you know me, I live in
a Michigan house, right, because my wife is you know,
is Michigan through and through shorts in the football obviously
every Michigan game the past thirty five years. I could
be a Michigan historian. And I remember how mad everybody
was when he transferred because they, okay, Mallet's the guy.
And then because a new coaching staff comes in with

(12:17):
a new with a new philosophy, it's like you know what, Yeah,
I don't know that this is for me. He's like, wait, wait, wait,
not know this for me? And he goes to Arkansas
and was whoa, we thought we had our guy, he
was our guy, and everybody was being really mad. And
then to go see him play and just play so
well at Arkansas for a couple of years with Patrino,
it was really something. I mean, look, he finished in

(12:38):
the top five, top seven for the Heisman Trophy a
couple you know, both years there, all as he's touchdown seasons. Yeah,
it was just some kind of career you know, gone
way too soon. Rest in peace. We'll continue to remember
Ryan Mallett throughout the show tonight.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
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Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, Frank the Tank very happy tonight. The Mets won
a game, So I think things should be okay at
least the next twenty four hours until Steve Cohen speaks
and he talks tomorrow and he's gonna tell everybody about
the state of the Mets, And I'm just I just
got my fingers crossed, going, what is what is going on?
How does that make you feel? What does he do
with the fact that he's doing a speech. You know,

(13:26):
here's the thing, and this is what drives me crazy, right,
this is this is this is the Mets. So they
win tonight, but obviously they're this big story the last
couple of days because the way they lost the Phillies
and the biggest mess that money can buy, the nearly
four hundred million dollar pay roll, and they stink. And
that's become a bigger and bigger story over the course
of this year because now it looks like the Mets
really do stink. Like I told you weeks ago, the

(13:47):
Mets stunk, but now everybody's coming around to it. Boy,
now they really really stinking. Look at all this money
and ha ha ha. And now Steve Cohen puts out
a tweet today Mets owner saying, Hey, I'm gonna talk tomorrow.
You'll get it straight from me. It's almost like I
feel like he's how do I say this. It's like
when you your your son or daughter is sleeping over

(14:10):
somebody's house and there's a whole bunch of kids around you,
and you call over just to see how things are going,
and you call and talk to you know, the girls,
dad says, yeah, no, no, you know what, I let
me go check on him. I'll call you back. Go, yeah,
I just checked in. They're all watching a movie, they're
all gonna go to sleep, so and everything is fine, Okay, great.
I feel like that's who he is, Like he's a listen.

(14:31):
I'll don't worry. I'll check on the kids, and then
I'll let you know that everything is fine, so everybody
can breathe a sigh of relief and enjoy the night
that you you know, without the kids and whatever date
night you're having, or you're going to a movie or
something else, you're just hanging out and going to sleep early, relaxing.
Like that's what he is. Like he's the adult making
sure everything is okay and all the kids are playing
nice together. That's kind of what I get from this,

(14:52):
And I go, this is not what we need. This
is not how, this is not this is not anything.
This is not anything. This is just now it's gonna
be even more embarrassing that the owner's got to have
a Hey, I can make sure. I just want to
let you know that everything is fine and I've checked
on everything. A press conference tomorrow, which is gonna be
embarrassing as hell, But yet the Mets are gonna have

(15:13):
it because you know, Mets, do you really call over
on sleep overnight? Oh really that guy? No? No, not really, no, No,
everything is usually every No, but I but like, that's
what I'm getting. I mean, in the first couple of times,
I would call just to say good night, just to say, hey,
good night, you're good, Yeah, okay, great, we'll see you tomorrow,

(15:33):
and every you know, just like that, it's just calls
the good night. But you didn't call it update on
the Mets score. You know, Hey, the Mets are losing. Okay, Dad, thanks,
I figured that was happening, all right, great. No, but
there's some there's some parents who like to you know,
like to call it, Hey, everything is okay, you know,
little nervous, their kids spending wide. No worry, I'm gonna
I'll make sure the kids are okay. That's kind of
what I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, you know what those parents are gonna lie to
you anyway.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Or your relatives. If you left it with a relative,
what are they gonna say, It's all going to hell?
Because then they look bad.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Oh I haven't not about I hid, it's about now
they look bad because your kids unhappy being at their place.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Wait, your kids here? I haven't seen her. Just put
it in a really awkwards yet, really got to find her.
You sure she's here? Zoe is here? All right? I
got all right, sure, yeah, yeah, I guess it's fine. Great.
Now I gotta go find somebody else's hit all right, great,
we just showed him slender Man. I haven't you know.
You gotta stop to the whole show. But you gotta stop.

(16:28):
You brought up slender Man last night. You gotta stop.
You gotta stop fringing it up. Man. Oh here comes Jason.
You gotta stop, man, you gotta stop. But yes, the
state of the Union thing.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Halfway through a season, you spent a lot of money
and you feel the need to go do this.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Just just hang out on Twitter with your your fans.
You know, you send them hot dogs.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
You have a couple of those little guys, roll up
with their carts and feed everybody buy for a day
and just say it's gonna be okay, and if not,
you know what, the sun's gonna come up tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Have another hot dog. So I'm not a helicopter parrassing.
I mess you just I'm standing outside with a boombox,
I can say anything. It's playing playing what I'm playing
The Door of the Explorer song for there's my Dad.

(17:28):
Do you see my dad? If you can see him,
yell Dad, yell it yelling. I say, sorry, No, it's
it's it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. That's what I feel like.
It's that. Oh, now the now. The owner's got his Okay,

(17:48):
I talk. Don't worry, guys. I checked on everything. Everything
is fine. Okay, thanks. They tell me.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Buck tells me he's got everything under control. And then
in the second half way do you see how he manages.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
The bullpen wall? He got ideas way do you see
how we're able to offload sures are in Verlander? It's
gonna be fantastic, I'm Buck. Yeah. How are you gonna
solve things? Steve Cohen? Well, basically, I'm gonna eat all
this money. We're gonna trade away all these older guys
and try it again next year. Is there any chance
is there any chance that show Walter gets fired here? No? No, no, no, not.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Or did they just say, hey, it's a bunch of
overpriced guys that are underperformed.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's not his fault. No, what they're gonna do is
as they fall out of contention, they're gonna try to
trade all the higher priced guys so they're not on
the books for next year, and they're gonna try to
move on and get whatever. You Look, they had to
eat a lot of money to trade Escobar, but they
got two pictures for him. Okay, so you're gonna see
stuff like that. They have to eat a lot of
money to trade and get rid of Verlander. But uh I,

(18:48):
you know that's gonna be their focus now. It's I'm
telling you the mesa be like Fileen's bargain basement. Man,
you're gonna walk in. Hey, we'll give these guys away.
You just pay their salary. But well, we don't want
to pay their stre they we'll pay the salary. You
give us prospects. Okay, hey, but everybody's available. Man, if
you want a mint twenty twenty three Pete Alonzo, I
can pair that up with a with a really old

(19:10):
twenty twenty three Max Shures or an Ay. We can
make a deal. Man, you make a deal. You want
a mint condition Francisco Lindor for thirty million dollars here
the next year Yeah, you don't even have to give
us a lot back, maybe like just one prospect. Just
pay a salary so we can go make other mistakes
with big money and go do all that. That that's
all you need to do.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I gotta be honest. Though, he's a bit weathered and
he's had a little bit of injury. He's near mint
at best. He's got a couple of bent corners, maybe
a center.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
He's a little off at this point. Twitter, and how
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Match now from the Mets. We're gonna embarrass everybody tomorrow,
so'll have a big left. I am to make a

(20:03):
match for a sports show that is looking for a match.
You ready, Yeah, let's go all right now. As you
all know, as you know the you know Shannon Sharp
leaving undisputed a couple of weeks ago. Now it's open
for who's gonna wind up being in the chair opposite
Skip Bayless. And when this happened, I told you it's

(20:24):
not gonna be one other person. It's gonna be like
a rotating group of a couple of people. That's kind
of how it's great. It's Skip show, It's it's that's
what is So it's not gonna be just one person. Now,
maybe they've been auditioning through the media the last few
weeks with a couple of hot takes and see what's
out there. But these guys are free agents or people
who could sign, because it's kind of tough if someone

(20:46):
has already contracted the ESPN or CBS or somewhere else
to get him out of a deal to come over
and do Undisputed. But how about this, I'll just throw
this out there. How about alternating days on Undisputed? Scottie
Pippen and Dennis Rodman. Think about that for a sec.
They alternate days on Undisputed. Pippen and Rodman. What do

(21:10):
you think I think it works? I mean a lot
of hot take nonsense. Hey, what did he say?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
He said something dumb. I'm gonna come back over the
top and this has nothing to do. People were getting
all over him over what he wore to a Pride event.
I mean, and rally and and parade. It like just literally,
it's just one thing after another, just lunacy. Larry Bird
would be playing in Europe.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
What are we doing? Yeah, well, hey, come on, man,
hot takes, hot takes, hot takes, hot takes, hot takes. Yeah,
but I mean, even.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
The guys that have a lot of these jobs, the
hot takes are just bad.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
They're just dumb, just open mouths say things.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean, it's a little bit of cognitive ability here,
you know, should should be a requirement.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
And well these guys are just Hey, I got a
flamethrower and I'm not really gonna think what am I
gonna do with it? I didn't know it was gonna
burn stuff down.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
But yeah, I think that would be entertaining because Skip
Bayless covered them both. Yeah, certainly covered Scottie Pippen, Yeah,
quite a while when he was a columnist in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, Scotty especially I would love because he would just
blow torch everybody like that would be the best part.
He would He just doesn't care. Rodman would be tough
because okay, look I'll pull the curtain back here for
a little bit when Fox Sports Radio first started. You
ready for this? Here here's me, you know, twenty nine
year old, brand new to radio. I've never really done
national radio before. But you know, I get hired to

(22:36):
do updates for Fox Sports Radio. And this is in
two thousand, you know, two that when when Fox Sports
Radio started. And we have a big meeting like a
month before we go on the air, and all the
talent is there and the GM is in a big
room and he's talking about what the lineup's gonna look
like and everything else. We're all sitting here. We're going
through stuff with consultants and all this. And he says,

(22:58):
and I want to let you all know we are
negotiating with Dennis Rodman to do a show every day, uh,
for us to do a lunch lunch with Dennis Rodman.
And he goes, oh, anybody have any questions? And people
aren't ask questions. And you know me, just because I'm
coming from this from I've produced television for a long

(23:18):
time and I've covered Dennis Rodman and and I raise
my hand, I go, are we sure he's gonna do it?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Like?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
How's he gonna be here? He's gonna be able to
do it every day and do a show for an hour.
I said, he's got to travel, he's got a fly,
He's gotta and everybody looked at me like, what the
hell is wrong with you? Man? I mean here, I'm
thinking of it from hey like a practical standpoint of
are really gonna get Rodman to do a show every
This is in the middle of his playing days, right
this he's playing with the bulls. I'm like, is he

(23:46):
gonna do a show for an hour every day?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
You're like Carl Malone when he was hanging out with
Vic the brick, Yeah, Like, are you you're able to
air this, you know?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
An hour? Like, cause this is rich because the show
at twelve twelve o'clock comes, whether or not Dennis Rodman's
doing his sh or not, whether or not he's taping
a show or not. And I go, are we sure
he could do that? And you know, because and here
I am completely seeing myself differently than everybody else in
that room. Did they see me as who the hell
is this part time update anchor? Saying that, you know,
is rock Pekin Rodman? Do it? When I'm going Dude,

(24:16):
I've produced at the highest level and there's no way
in hell Dennis Rodman is going to do this? Why
are we even thinking about this? Right? So that's what
I'm thinking, And the GM goes, well, we actually have
we're actually negotiating with him to be able to have
a unit to record a show with when he goes
on the road. And I go, okay, all right, and
I just go that's never gonna happen. Here's a question, Mike,
do you think that ever happened? Do you think Dennis

(24:38):
Robin never did a lunchtime show for an hour at
Fox Sports Radio? Yes? Or no? What do you think?
What do you think I'm gonna go out a lamb
and say no, no, you are correct. The answer is no.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
That we've had some powerhouses in that noontime, you know,
midday slot, going back a lot of years. I don't
remember Dennis Rodman being no, no, because I've been here
a minute at this point.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, well, look, but Scotty would be great because you
know he'd blow torch everybody, and you have rotating people
and you have people on during football, seas everything else.
But right now, you know you can you could get
Robin to do like a day at mun What could
he do like a mammy, can you count on him
for a day or two week. I'll be get Scotty
for a couple of days, surely, and that'd be some
fun stuff. Man. He'd bring that bourbon on the set

(25:21):
with him and just you know, be pouring drinks for
everybody if you know, hey, my hot take here is
brought to you by whatever the name of this bourbon is.
I think all kinds of new stuff you could do now.
I think I think it works.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And you would never actually have to talk about basketball
in twenty twenty three, except for the comparisons to the
all time greats. No, that's gonna ask here's two guys
that we're just gonna put up on a board.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's instead of playing.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Word associations like here's a picture, got it's where the
thousand words go.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
They would talk about Lebron and Jordan every day. Every
day would be a Lebron Jordan conferenceation, every single no
matter what happened the night before, Lebron Jordan, that's the conversation.
And Larry Bird can't play, Oh yeah, Larry Bird, Larry
Bird playing in Europe. Yes, then they get Larry Bird
on to defend himself. It would be Musty TV. No,
that would happen as well. But there you go, man,

(26:10):
I tell you you got negotiat, you got an audition
through the media for it, Robin and Pippen, Robin and Pipen,
who knows. There you go.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
Longtime NFL insider check him out on Audissey, The Washington Post,
on Twitter at Jason lock and for it is Jason
Locking for what's happening? Man?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Gentlemen? Did Barnie? You know, we had a lot of
big stuff to get to, you know, all those topics
that I mentioned, But I want to just talk to
you for a couple of minutes about Ryan Mallett that the
chapter story today dying at the age of thirty five
in a drowning accident. This is a guy that we
all remember his career in college the NFL, and you know,
I remember when he was drafted and thinking, you know,

(26:54):
looking back, Jace, don't you have to think that Bill
Belichick drafted him to be the heir to Tom Brady
Because when they did it in twenty eleven, Brady's thirty three.
Nobody knew he wanted to defy aging and play until
he's forty five. So it was, hey, Brady's still great,
but he's thirty three. Mallet sits for a couple of years.
I love everything about the kid. Belichick would say great

(27:16):
things about him, and in two plus years or so,
it would be Ryan Mallett, quarterback of the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Yeah, it kind of started a process there where what
was it Jacobe Brissett, you know what I mean a
little bit after that, and you had Garoppolo in there
as well, and yeah, but it's obviously, I mean, this
guy is almost young enough, you know, to be a
child of mine. It's far, far too young in his

(27:44):
life for him to pass. And you have to, you know,
obviously your heart goes out to everybody who is family,
his friends, people who knew him best because he was,
you know, very active coaching the game at the high
school level. And yeah, someone who came out of school
with with sort of a rocket arm, and it was
kind of like, you know, is someone going to be

(28:05):
able to kind of corral him and coach him up
a little bit. And because there were some athletic traits
there and some some arm talent that obviously a lot
of coaches over the course of time became it, Sorry,
my dog is freaking out, became enamored with Uh geez,
I hope that's not super lost. You know that that obviously,

(28:29):
you know, kept him in the league for a while
and and and you know, again there was there was
certainly potential that coaches fell in love with. But yeah,
a horrible situation. A guy who had an opportunity to
meet a lot of people in this league and and
playing a bunch of different organizations, and it's just obviously

(28:51):
a sad, sad day.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Jason, back to the off season, as we have these
couple of weeks before we get to work and training camp,
is there going to be a class action hold out
by running backs across the league or it's going to
be alone.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Look, I really don't know what a group hold out,
you know what I mean, would would accomplish, because their
individual and collective leverage is not very high, and it's a.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Sport of supply and demand, and it's a sport that
has become increasingly sort of I won't say run by
people who specialize in analytics and specialize in developing and
cultivating and figuring out you know, value. But there is

(29:43):
a big moneyball element to every professional sport at this
you know, at this juncture, as deep as we're into
this analytics revolution, and I don't know that there's an
outlier team out there that or teams if we're talking
collectives and you know, three or four you know, running backs,
brothers and arms, we're all going to sit out together.

(30:03):
I just don't know what the endgame to that would be.
It's just tough letting and no matter even a Josh Jacobs,
who everything he accomplished in terms of you know, yards scrimmage,
yards and what he meant to that offense and what
he can also help you do in the passing game.

(30:23):
A little bit like I just don't think anybody's getting
back to Christian McCaffrey type levels, you know, let alone
the kind of contract that Adrian Peterson got. She's you know,
I don't know what was that twenty ten. It's just
a different game and they're not going to pay. And

(30:45):
I don't think that's changing in the next six weeks,
you know, between now and the start of training camps
are now and the middle of the preseason. I just
don't think anybody's really going to budge and say that
we think that player puts us over the top. There's
just been too many instances of teams finding value in
so many different ways. And even just look at the

(31:07):
team standing at the top of the mountain right now,
right they did it at the end of the first round.
They got a lot of accolades for it, and it
didn't pan out, you know what I mean. They take
this kid Pachecko this year and he ends up being
a real mainstay in their offense, and he's you know,

(31:28):
they've nothing invested in him in terms of real capital,
So I don't think anything changes. I think, unfortunately most
of them have to kind of go back with the
tail between their legs and end up eventually signing that
franchise tender. I mean, Leveon Bell did this, you know
what I mean, even before the pendulum had swung this much,
and he got good money out of the Jets, but

(31:50):
he was out of the league two years later, and
he never got anything close to the money he would
have made in the first three years of the contract
that the Steelers you know, offered him as an extension
before he held out, So I just think it, unfortunately
kind of is what it is. Jay.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
When it comes to Dalvin Cook, you know, one of
the running backs we reference, here's the Jets. Potentially there's
some interest. He's liking tweets the Jets are saying, come
play here. Yes, great, Miami now is interested in Dalvin Cook.
How's this going to end for him?

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Well, I mean, it's nice to be interested, but like,
is there anybody out there who wants to pay him
anything close to what he's used to make, you know,
to be earning on a per year basis on the
contract extension he did with the Vikings And the short
and long and obvious and clear answer to that is no,

(32:40):
or you know, the market would have formed. And if
you have two teams that really want you, then you
have a really good chance of getting somewhat close to
what you think you're worth. And that's not out there now,
and it very well may take injury or you know,
a team that thinks it's found its solution in the
draft to find out that maybe they haven't. But again,

(33:03):
right now is really the only time that coaches and
gms get to kind of like log off and you know,
invest time and energy and their families and their lives
instead of their vocations. And if somebody really felt like
he was the difference in their season as presently constructed,

(33:25):
then this then this would have happened before everybody shut
it down, went on vacation, you know, and basically said
see you in in late July. So I again don't
think this changes much unless the market changes. There's teams
that want him, but they want him at a certain value,
and there's a disconnect right now. And again, maybe an injury,

(33:49):
maybe some outside factor gets one of these teams to
all of a sudden jump up and say, yeah, yeah,
we really do like you significantly, significantly more than the
rest of these teams, and here's what we're rolling to
put in front of you in terms of compensation. But
ultimately it may come down to him trying to find
the best fit and the best game with the best
offensive line and the best play caller to put him

(34:11):
in position to make money a year from now. As
much as that's a difficult situation for any running back to,
you know, that's not the crystal ball they want to
look into because they get hurt so much and because
now you're a year older, and yeah, all those market
forces still work against you. But people have known that
Dalvin cook future was over in Minnesota since pretty much

(34:32):
the end of last season. And who's clamoring, like, tell
me what what am I missing?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Here?

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Where?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
What? What?

Speaker 5 (34:39):
What's happened? It seems to me nothing, just a.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lot of time elapsed.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
He's Jason lock and for with us, Jason Smitchow with
me Mike Harmon live Fromthetirac dot com Fox Sports Radio studios.
Follow Jason on Twitter at Jason Locke and four. You
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each and every week with all the insights entertainment, and
he's now contained his dog here on Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Hopefully his meds have kicked in. Yeah, here you go.
Respiratory infection.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear these. Day to day
is the day to day could be worse.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
It could be day to day. No, trust me, he's yes,
he's he's very much choppers always day to day.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
There you go, all right, So let's go back to
Nevada and New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
How many tissues.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Did you need to get through the Derek Carr comments
about how things ended in his tenure within because he
would have played for free?

Speaker 5 (35:35):
You know, yeah, yeah, I don't love Come on, this
guy's got a little bit of Ben Roethlisberger in his game,
you know, the self myth mythologizing and thinking people are
really you know, more caught up in your narratives than
they really are. Of course, he doesn't have anything close
to Ben Roethlisberger's back of the football card, you know,

(35:55):
to back that up, or to really think that people
are as interested in you as you think people should be.
I think he's, you know, a good quarterback who clearly
has flaws, who's never really been able to really get
back to the level he was at when he got hurt,
you know what I mean under Jack del Rio and

(36:17):
wasn't able to you know, play down the stretch and
in the playoffs. And you know, that was a year
when he was at least on the periphery of the
MVP conversation. And that looks more like an outlier than
than the norm. And something's always off there. Things never
quite get to the level we think they will. And
again last year really should have been no excuses. Time

(36:39):
got the best back in the NFL. They went and
got your best buddy, you know what I mean, your
college roommate, arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL.
You still had Darren Waller at least to start, and
you lost your job, you know, to Jared's did him
like that because they wanted to dump your contract so

(37:00):
badly they couldn't risk you getting hurt anymore. So I
don't I don't look at that New Orleans team and say, oh, yeah,
this is you know, he's just been on. It's been marketing,
everything's worked against him, and woe is him, and now
finally this is going to be the Derek Carr redemption start.
I think he's put on the Dean declined for a while.

(37:22):
I think that team, you know, has its share of issues.
I really don't know who's any good in that division,
so maybe that helps him. But no, I don't think
you're going to see Derek Carr win a whole lot
of really meaningful football games this year. And I don't
think you're going to see Derek Carr back in New
Orleans next year.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I mean, so we're only going to get his southern
accent for one year, because you know, the Southern accent
is going to be great. It's going to get it
for a year.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, Like I'm trying to think of like great forced
accents of all time. I remember when Brad Friedel you know,
left MLS and went over and started plying his trade
in the premiership. He he quickly adopted and you know,
an English accent. I think Madonna for a while, right,

(38:08):
let's kind of relocated to London. She she kind of
picked one up or just foisted one upon us. Yeah,
I don't think this will rate up there with those.
I think this was going to be pretty quickly forgotten.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
He's on Twitter at Jason locking For. That is at
Jason locking For. Check him out on Odyssey Washington Post
as well. Jay. As always, Buddy appreciated my friend. We'll
talk to you next week, my pleasure.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Gentlemen, have a good one.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Thank you, buddy,
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