July 12, 2023 • 37 mins
Mike Harmon and Olden Polynice have all the latest on the Northwestern hazing allegations. Zion Williamson admits it was hard to diet a few years back. And Larsa Pippen says she was ‘traumatized’ from Michael Jordan’s comments on his son’s relationship with her.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two am Eastern seven to eleven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every night on the
iHeartRadio app by searching fsrleas gives.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Greetings, Welcome in our three of the program. Here on
a beautiful Tuesday night, all Star Night live from the
Tirac dot com studios tirerac dot com. We'll help you
get there on unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free roadhazard
protection at over ten thousand recommended installers tirerac dot com.
The way tire buying should be. Smith off tonight. Noted
(00:52):
Yankees fan trying to will them to greatness in the
second half. Former NBA player first round pick Mike Old
and polonies in for Jason Smith today. Man, come on,
you got ariahs has more hits than everybody on the
Yankees except for Aaron Judge.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Hey man, leave us alone.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You exclude Judges first half before he got injured.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh yeah, the big toe guy.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, man, listen, when I hear about certain injuries, I
get a little concerned. You big and strong and your
little toe is hurting or your big toe is hurting.
Come on, man, you got a man hub. Some of
these injuries are funny as hell.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Man, Well, you know what I like to hear you
say that, because certainly, as people in the media, I'm
never gonna be one to speculate as to how hurt
a guy is and whether he should be able to
gut through pain. But I'll allow you to say it,
because I don't know, like what aches and paint like.
I can't lift my right and my left arm over
(01:56):
my like at all right now. It just hurts to
no way. Eventually there's a surgery happening there. But I
mean someone else might just say, ah, you're.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Soft, but it's a big toe. Yeah, you're standing there
swinging the bat. You're not running all the time, you're
not stealing bases. But again, again, I can't be right.
I shouldn't question somebody's pain tolerance and all that. It
just it just baffles me. Some of the injuries when
I hear them, and how long people are out for.
(02:26):
You know, we used to have this thing called quota zone.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, there were a lot a lot of things that
have been injected, ingested, et cetera through the years that
I'm wondering if the data says that was a good
idea sometimes, right, I don't think so. As we get older,
he reminder were brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive
makes it bundling easy and affordable. Get a multi policy
discount by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, ATV and more
(02:51):
all your protection of one place. Bundle and save at
Progressive dot com. Back into the All Star week, couple
of NBA stories swirling about a little bit of what
are you talking about? A guy that you are linked
to forever, his ex wife in the news once again,
and then a guy that we wish to see on
(03:12):
the basketball court, and he tells you how hard it
is if you have money to do something in particular.
But I'd be remissed. I was off the last couple
of days traveling, wasn't in front of the huge microphone
and all of the affiliates afforded us here at Fox
Sports Radio. As this Northwestern hazing scandal took over and
(03:35):
the news cycle attempted to be a news dump on
a Friday. The report was not released, just the findings
fifty plus people interview. You know a lot of the
particulars by now if you've been listening to sports radio
or going into the blogsphere, watching SportsCenter or whatever your
update shows are, So I don't need to rehash a
lot of it. But eleven people have corroborated some of
(03:59):
the allegations and talking about hazing, some allegations of racism
and that being an institutional process that has been pervasive
for a long period of time. So the findings come
out Friday from the investigator interview fifty plus people. Final
(04:21):
note is Pat Fitzgerald in a time where really nothing
happens in college football, basically take a two week unpaid vacation.
That was the idea. He signed off on that, and
that's what we got on Friday. Everybody claps a hand
and then the Daily Northwestern puts out some of the
details that are in the report that were part of
the findings, part of the investigation, and everybody screams, bloody murder,
(04:47):
and the court of public opinion has the spineless and
I'll use that term here, spineless university president and athletic
director suddenly, wait, wait, well, maybe we need to revisit this,
Maybe we need to look at this again the court
of public opinion. You made a six month investigation, You
(05:10):
hired someone deciding that with all the resources available to
my alma mater. And look Northwestern University, if you've ever
been on the campus, it is glorious. A lot of
great old buildings, a lot of top notch architecture. They've
done a lot of work, and the house that Fitzgerald built,
all the practice facility and everything else to the success.
(05:30):
There's money flowing everywhere that you've left in theory, no
stone unturned, and come to that conclusion. Yet, once the
Daily Northwestern puts their thing out and you start getting
a little bit of sourcing from other reporters, of all right,
talk to anonymous player. He says this et cetera, that
(05:53):
you reverse course. Now, in my mind, that's a dereliction
of duty and you should be fired for not doing
your job and showing no conviction over the six month
process that you just undertook to say, we evaluated this
and in our estimation, all of these accusations, we don't
(06:15):
have any proof at least this was their report. Right,
we have no proof and that's where the next part
of this goes. But we have no proof that coach
Fitzgerald knew about this. He issued his statement, accepted the
two weeks it was done, and then immediately to reverse
course because public opinion became very vocal, because sports talk
(06:38):
radio in Chicago, because of the blogs and everything else,
that you reverse course and suddenly say, well, you know what,
maybe it was worse than we thought. Maybe you know
it's it's like when we had the NFL. Go back
to ray Rice, right, and I can equate this to
a number of movies you want to you want to
do a few good Men and whatever else, we can
(06:59):
do that too. But go back to Roger Goodell and
the Ray Rii situation. Two games then the videotape comes out.
It's like, you know what, maybe we didn't adjudicate this
properly because the Court of public opinion and the Protect
the Shield became a all right, we've got to go
back over the top and give you another penalty. That's
what happened here. Court of public opinion and some details
(07:20):
that were in the report but not released to the
public made it wow. Look, I guess you know, when
you read it that way, et cetera, it becomes it.
And I'm not justifying any of it. Like some of it.
It's the old this is the way it was maybe
when Fitzgerald played, maybe in the years past. We're talking
about a thirty year period where he's been mostly in
(07:44):
the school, and you build a fiefdom. And I say
this always, this is why you have term limits in government,
and why I think if you're a principle of a school,
you shouldn't be there for twenty five years, because you know,
it becomes the my way or the highway. And that
seems to be the way as Fitzgerald ran the program.
It's all right, this is our culture, this is the
wildcat way, et cetera. So do I know categorically that
(08:07):
he knew what was going on? No. I mean, we've
got guys that are you're detached from a lot of
the day to day overarching thing. But when your whole
mantra of your program is the buck ends, you know,
I'm at fault when we lose. I'm at fault when
this doesn't go right, when this play call, and and
on and on. You've got the video that came out
(08:28):
as president of the Coaches Association, the anti hazing. We
don't do that here. We don't believe in that. Whatever
all of that sets up for the you go and
that's and that's where where it ended. And it's it's
the difficulty. And I think if olden, if if I
would read the room correctly, most athletic directors right now
(08:52):
are on calls with everybody of what's going on in
our locker rooms, because there's there's there's the fine line
between all right, we have a for practice and a
guy has to run an extra lap or two because
he made a mistake to some of the nonsense that
was in this report, like if this can be corroborated
and this as it has with the eleven people, and
(09:12):
if any of this is true, then I don't see
how any of it makes you a stronger team.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
They can get eleven people, one hundred and eleven, eleven
thousand people, Okay, it's still going to be the same thing.
Number one, Northwestern's not the only school. So all these
athletic directors need to all be fired. Everybody needs be
because there's always something going on on campus. Why could
(09:41):
these are eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. People are doing
stupid stuff when they're young, and we we know this
because it's been going on for a long time. And
so to me, Northwestern's problem wasn't we talked about it. It
wasn't the you know, the two week thing. It's like
you gave him two weeks and then all of a sudden,
(10:03):
like you said, public opinion swayed you. You did the investigation.
Who cares what the outside is saying. If it's true,
fire him. If it's not true, figure it out. But
you shouldn't wait on people to get upset. And you
brought up a great point with the Ray Rice. We
(10:24):
messed up, but you didn't mess up. You looked at everything.
You had already seen the video.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But that's the thing, right, You did your investigations, and
I would give you a vote of no confidence. Michael Schill,
do what you will with that name. And ad Derek
greg greg who took over from Mike Puliski, who had
to be resigned nine days into his tenure over a
sexual harassment claim by a cheerleader. So you've already got
(10:50):
a bunch of other things swirling here, not to mention
that with USC and UCLA coming in your role in
the Big Ten and the elimination of divisions and within
the conference means you're relegated to the bottom and you
may be relegated to go play in a new league
in a few years time when that new facility. But
we'll push that aside for now. Where it stands is
(11:12):
you had leadership that signed off on this saying we
did a great investigation, we hired the right person, we
talked to enough people, we have all the information we need.
And as soon as public perception and dislikes and commentary
on Twitter and threads and everything became too much, your
reverse course.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, that shows me you're not ready to be a leader.
I heard the investigation was done, and we did a
thorough investigation. But the problem, Mike, that I'm having is this,
how are you retaining the assistant coaching.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That is the next shoe to drop? Kevin Wyre in
his updates that was announced earlier today because I had
tweeted out like, how do you have a twenty twenty
three season? Because if you're firing the head coach who
may actually have a little bit of plausible deniability, right,
layers within an organization doesn't mean he doesn't know something,
(12:08):
right the yeah, YEA, take care of that. We got
to get those problems resolved, and there's an institutional thing
of what happens in that regard. But to tell me
that the assistant coaches all get to stay. Now Bron's
a new guy comes over from North Dakota State, I
get it. You could say, all right, he hasn't been there,
but anybody that's been there for more than twenty seconds,
(12:30):
you're gone. You have to know you're part of the institution.
You're part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Dick.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
If you decided that it was a fireable offense for
cause for the head coach, then the assistant coaches can't stay.
And that's why it was making the argument that having
a season and now they make this decision, which is
just asinine. But you were looking at the transfer portal opens,
so anybody that can leave will leave. You're gonna have
a number of players who are just gonna refuse to
(12:58):
play for you because the loyalty to Fitzgerald. So you've
got that rolling on like you've got a whole hornets
nest of other issues. And I mentioned the externalities of
the changing conference in the face of college football. But
you've also got leadership devoid of conviction rolling through. But
(13:18):
the assistant coaches to your point, Olden that announcement today,
it's like, how many more idiotic things as a university
are you going to tap into? This story?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
In college the crap rises up, it doesn't go down.
It starts with the kids, and the assistants always get
the information before the head coach, and then they're supposed
to bring it to the head coach eventually. So now
I need to know did the assistant coaches mention any
of this stuff prior or not, or did they do it?
(13:48):
And then the head coach, you know, said I don't care,
but we need to know. But everybody's involved, it's not
just the head coach. Kind of like that whole remember
Tim Donahey, the referee, be a referee. You really got
to think and act like he's the only one.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Gotta have a fall guy.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, exactly. So right now Fitzpaster is the fall guy,
and I don't like that. Fire him for the stuff
that he's doing. I get it, but you're not gonna
tell me that as a head coach, because most of
the time the head coaches, like I said before, they
it's almost like the ego get the best of them.
Because I'm the head coach. I don't have time for
all this. That's why I hire my assesssing coaches. Well.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Part of it, though, it goes back to my point
about fiefdoms, right, you have a way that you do
things and you feel embolden, empowered. And for Pat Fitzgerald
during his tenure as a two time Player of the Year,
a College Football Hall of Famer, and then taking over
as he did under the circumstances with Randy Walker's passing
and the legacy play there you go all the way
(14:52):
through all right, how long? How far reaching? What is
this all about?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I watched him last year and I was very critical
on air, not only because they were terrible, but the
way he treated reporters towards the back end of the year,
very currct no, no, no, like, look, it's one thing you
don't want to answer questions like, ah, you know, we
don't need to address it, but like to diminish their
football knowledge. He did that to student reporters, But there
were a couple of people towards the end of the year.
They were so bad that most of the news media
(15:19):
there in Chicago. They didn't even send reporters, so anybody
that was still bothering didn't show. But anybody that bothered
to show up should have gotten more respect than they did.
So you saw a little bit of the hubrist take over.
And when everybody's telling you how great you are, what happens.
You build up for the fall, of course, and this
one when details come through in twenty twenty three, it's
(15:39):
a different world. Right when he played in the mid nineties,
maybe with Barnett and whatever, you have a culture and
it is and there's an acceptance. But at this point,
you know, you go through and all it takes is
one person who feels disenfranchised and changes the math. And
it always should have been that way, but it was
(16:01):
right it was. The machine keeps moving on. And now
in this case, Pat Fitzgerald is out. I'm calling for more,
more accountability from the leadership at Northwestern because I mean
they did a zoom call with the players, basically did
the address on a zoom call and then refused to
take questions in person. They finally come back from their vacations.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith Show with
me Mike Harmon, coming with you here. Jason Smith off tonight,
He'll be back tomorrow. My guy, Olden Polonies in his
stead as we're rolling through a big All Star Tuesday night.
Olden getting his groove on and enjoying the baseball an
(16:56):
Now the grooves that Alex Tyscher DJ Alex Tischer getting
the job done as he does each and every night
with us Justin Frosberg, our executive producer Kevin Wyatt on
the updates, and of course the rest of our squad
making it sound so pretty here as we come to
you live from the Tirack dot Com studios of Fox
Sports Radio. At Olden Polonies one. The number one is
(17:18):
where you find him on Twitter. Find me over at
Swollen Dome Threads. They assigned me Swollen Dome, so I
guess I'm there too, So come on in as you will.
So it's now as we move forward and we talk
about the NBA off season, some of the stories we
get Olden, I mean, this is just I mean, sometimes
(17:41):
just too good to be true. And I'll start with
the weighty subject as we teased ahead, and the story
of our guys, Zion Williamson. Now, a couple of weeks ago,
he was in the news for other things. His late
night maybe mid afternoon dalliances. I don't know what they
were with a Buxom film star multiple Yeah, that may
(18:08):
have been working down the road here. We were actually
just kind of talking about that, the guys and I
of what we have down the street. But you know, Zion,
We've always talked about his weight, even when he was
at Duke right, big kid, young kid, and then he
goes to New Orleans. Well, what do you do in
New Orleans? I mean, you want to talk about food
(18:29):
like I was just a home in Chicago and look
other than walking around the extra miles, like you're gonna
put on weight fast, and in New Orleans, that certainly
could be the case. Zion Williamson didn't give his locale
as to why he has struggles with his weight. No,
he gave us a different reason.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Isn't hard to diet at your age?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
She's be honest, since is you.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I'll be real there are times when I would say
that man. Actually hard is hard, man like twenty twenty two,
got a lot of money, all them.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It feels like all the money in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Man, it is hard.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But I'm at that point now where because of certain things,
I'm putting back, like the wisdom around me, much of
like I.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Want to say older, because they.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Just putting people around me wisdom put me on game
to certain things and just go from there.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Though part of the Gilbert Arenas Gills Arena podcast listen
at six foot six to eighty four. Oh no, that's
actually a pretty good one there, Joe Frostburg giving me
the line saying that maybe he and victim women Yama
should switch diets for a few weeks. You do my thing,
(19:41):
I do yours. We'll see if we meet in the middle,
not off the court though.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
This is No, he's not ruady for that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
No, No, he's too young for that.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You know how ridiculous all that sounds, because I get it,
you're twenty twenty two. But you need somebody to tell
you not to overeat, You need somebody to tell you
not to mess with points? Does come on? Man, some
things are just common sense.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, no, the latter part of it, I mean, you
do what you're gonna do because I mean, look, he's
with a girl and he's got a baby on the way,
So yeah, from that perspective, no, but categorically ruling out
the you know, adult film attresses.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I mean, look, I can't be that guy. I'll stick
on the I'll stick on just a weight thing. He
knew he was big right a long time ago. I
still remember when he blew out his shoe doing that game,
a big game, Yeah, and the shoe blew out. There's
a reason why that shoe blew out.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Okay, shoddy workmanship, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You can blame that. But then you get in the NBA.
You're just eating yourself out the league. Dude, you already
had a propensity for weight gain. You can look at
him and you have a leg differential. He waddles when
he walks. If people don't notice that, that's a leg differential,
so that you're gonna be prone to injury. No one's
(21:05):
talking about any of that stuff. And on top of
all that, you are overeating, like Charles Balky famously said,
so they don't have restaurants in Portland when they send
him to Portland. Dude, no matter where you go, there's
gonna be food. You just have to do a better job.
I tell people all the time, because I do training
and everything else. Eat all you want. As long as
(21:27):
you exercise, that's all. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.
The problem is he's eat he's eating, he's overeating, and
he's continuously eating. And when he gets hurt, he eats
more because now he's a little depressed because he's not playing,
he's not exercising, putting on Wait. So there's more to
(21:48):
it than just adding some friends around you to tell you, hey, man,
you gotta watch this. No, if he does need some help,
you know professionally, he needs to get it, but it
will always cause his injuries. This weight, it's too much.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Fun, it's too much on your joints.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
It's too much.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, look, as a man of five foot nothing,
I would equit myself to your local neighborhood fire plug.
It's kind of what I look like at all own
it look. Weight has been a problem my whole life.
And you have good days, good weeks, good months. Like
it's a psychological battle. You know what you should do.
(22:28):
It's like handling money, dealing with your relationships and friends
and family, whatever. You know what in theory, most of
us know what we should do. It's just having the
discipline to do it. As you mentioned with Zion, look, stress, eating, anxiety,
whatever's gone like I'm subject to that. I'll tell you
that right now, Like things are going bad. What are
(22:49):
you doing? But that's it. You're snacking right and you're
not thinking about it because your mind's over here. But
your offhand is shoveling whatever you've got, and sometimes you
get desperate and you start hitting the baking supplies. It's
not even a finished product anymore. But it's just that
with Zion, we've now watched it for multiple years and
(23:11):
you've got assembled in New Orleans on your team's staff, trainers, dietitians,
all of the best that money can buy at your
disposal because they've invested you order million dollars in you.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Every team has that. You go into any team's facility,
they have a chef, a dietitian, they have people. That's
what I'm saying. They're giving these guys more and more
to be successful, and we getting less and less, and
it's upsetting. Dude, Grow up. Do what you're supposed to.
Take care of your body. Do your work. That's the
(23:45):
bottom line. You played one hundred and fourteen games in
four years. That's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
He was really good in those hundred and fourteen games, though.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
But we need more. It's like, come on, dude, that's insane. Man,
and whatever other issue as you're dealing with, you need
to fix all that because again, these guys, for whatever reason,
they're not looking at this at the for the big picture.
Everybody's it's weird this generation. I swear, I don't want
to sound like the grumpy old man or the ex athlete,
(24:15):
but it's like, dude, something's not right here.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, I would say this though, old and you know
what not I'm not going to defend it because you
have been given the golden ticket and in the NBA
he's now got the guaranteed contract, which is the I mean, look,
the Wonka trailer preview to showed up today, right, Timothy's
Shalomey in a reworking. You got Hugh grant as an
umpa lumpa all of this stuff. You got the golden ticket, right,
(24:40):
you got this pogo stick body when you're sound, You've
got this size spin move into the land explosiveness that well,
we talk about guys like we're talking about Wembin Yamba
before in terms of generalized like, Zion's a different guy
when he's sound right, but we can't keep him on
the court. But you've now you know the old definition
(25:01):
of insanity. You've now done this multiple times means I've
got to change something. But I look, if I'm twenty
two to twenty three year old and you hand me
a two hundred million dollar check, I'm an idiot at
near fifty and nobody gave me a two hundred million
dollar check. So I don't know how I'm react or
the people around me, which is why, as he says,
the older guys, And that's that's the other part, is right,
(25:23):
who are you listening to in your locker room? It's
part of the conversation we had with John Morant, right,
and look at what they did in the offseason and
ahead of the draft to bring in veteran guards to
maybe shore up some of that stuff, not only for
the twenty five games he's gonna miss, but to be
someone that can talk with Zion. Same thing. I don't
(25:43):
know who's around him, who he's listening to, but clearly
someone's got to remind him of the player that he
was and what he could be. And I also think
about that twenty nineteen draft class. There's a lot of
excitement out of there, but it's really kind of fizzled
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, I gotta make this point though, hit me, Okay,
So I don't want anybody get all upset with me
because of what I just said about jam Moran. We've
had fat, you know, overweight, whatever terminology people want to use. Okay.
If they're offended by fat, then I'll use overweight. If
(26:20):
they're offended by overweight, I'll use whatever words you want
me to use. Okay, big bone, I don't care. We've
had Oliver Miller, We've seen Glenn Big Baby Davis. We've
had John hot Plate Williams. We've had all that in
the past. But they were not Zion Williamson. They were
not handed two hundred million dollar contrast. They were not
(26:43):
looked upon as generation for they were just guides, journeymen,
barely making it. So it's so, you know, to a
certain extent, with they didn't have eyes on them like
Zion Zion. People are looking at you, kids are looking
at you. You built your name off of social media,
(27:05):
all these highlight dunks and everything else. Now all of
a sudden, you're just gonna eat your way out the NBA.
Come on, man, you gotta be better than that.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, don't blame the money. Figure out, get with a
sports psychologist, get with the nutrition.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I have twenty doors with all that money.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's the thing. You've got everything at your disposal.
I'm sure David Griffin and everybody associated with the Pelicans
organization is how do we help you, especially in the downtime,
Like you said, when you're becoming active. What happens when
people have to have, you know, a cut on their knee, right,
you go in and get surgery because you're a weekend warrior, golfer,
basketball player, whatever you sit and you're on your your butt.
(27:45):
So what happens. You're starting going to put on weight
because you're not your sedentary and for Zion, you've had
long periods of inactivity related to such injuries three years.
I was trying to be kind old.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I don't want to laugh at them.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's hard because you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I'm from the era of playing through everything. No, I
get that, okay, sure, And we had this discussion as well,
it's like the more they sit, the more they will get.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Hurt one hundred percent. That's why we were talking about
baseball pitchers and innings and pitch counts and all that nonsense.
What happens try to stretch you out. I mean, we're
always like, hey, is this guy gonna be able to
pitch one inning more than he did last year? Or
are we pushing it?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Welcome back into the tire rac dot Com Fox Sports
Radio Studios Mike Harmon alongside Olden Polonies. Smith will be
back well, and he's gonna talk to you now. He
might start rapping any second now at Olden Polonies one,
Olden Polonies the number one on Twitter. Find me over
at Swollen Dome. Now we go back to your draft class. Yes,
(28:59):
sir man, you were swapped with in the draft, and
well larsa Pippen something bacon, the rack thing with the
guy in the place, the guy who makes some noise
trying to sell his bourbon. What is a big hand
bourbon or whatever it is, got like his handprint on there. Yeah,
Scottie Pippen's acts. Larsa Pippen kind of got deep down
(29:23):
and as the New York Post article puts it, I'll
quote it directly. Quote was in her fields about Michael
Jordan's apparent disapproval of her relationship with his son Marcus.
So they do a podcast together called Separation Anxiety. She's
forty nine, Marcus is thirty two. Michael Jordan, of course,
(29:46):
the goat sixty years old. He was asked if he
approved of the romance between the Real Housewives star and
acts of Scottie Pippen, his longtime teammate who seems to
have an extra grind with everybody. Yes, but that's a
whole other topic. It's we'll we'll get to it here
in a second. But Michael Jordan, asked about it, said,
(30:10):
you know, do you approve? He said, just frankly no.
So evidently she's really kind of upset about this quote.
You thought it was funny, and he said, well, you know,
I don't think it was funny. There's nothing funny about it.
She tells him. I kind of felt it went everywhere,
and I was kind of embarrassed, like, well, you're you're
(30:31):
dating the son of your ex husband's teammate. What right?
What was he gonna say? Oh, what a joyous thing.
Remember when he was wearing those kids size for Yeah, er,
let me let me set up set you up in
my mansion up in here. Oh wow, I I just
(30:55):
what what do you expect?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
What? What?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
What kind of reaction are you anticipating that?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
You remember when when the kids were running around your house?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Seventeen year difference and look, look, find you, You're gonna find.
But there are millions of people in this world, yes, sir,
a fame grab if there ever was you don't have.
And if it became a real relationship, great, if they're good,
great you found in love. But to then complain that
(31:26):
you're you're getting some backlash and that Michael Jordan took
a puff of a cigar and went no in terms
of approval.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We don't do teammates. We don't do kids of teammates.
We don't do that. That's just that it's so foul
on so many levels. And I don't know, because you
know they do all this. You know everybody's going what
is the TERMINI? Clickbait that they're all going for clickbait.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Everybody getting a bunch of which is why they now
have a podcast.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So and people were saying people that in the know
it telling, hey, Michael was not with this at all,
and then they're trying to make it see and then
Scottie Pippen and I'm sure he's distraught. I get it,
you know, but don't attack Mike as if Mike agreed
to it, or it's like, oh, I'm sure he sat
(32:15):
Marcus down. Hey man, what are you doing? You know
it's there's people your own age. But lost it to
me was like she she she started this because you know,
she had the relationship with Malik Beasley, who was just
with the Lakers, right and he was married at the time.
So she's been going at a bunch of these guys
(32:38):
you know that she knows either a married or are
friends of his ex husband's you know, teammate all of
that stuff because she wants to live that clickbait life.
And so don't get don't tell me all of a
sudden that you're traumatized, because that's what I'm saying. People
are throwing all these words out, you know, because it's
(33:00):
it's the it's in fashion right now. Okay, if you
were traumatized. You should have said, you know what, I'm
not gonna do this if you didn't want to be traumatized.
I'm not gonna put myself, my family, even my ex husband.
I may hate your guts, but everybody knows who Michael
(33:22):
Jordan is and who Scottie Pippen is.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Now here's the great response from Marcus quote. I can
only assume my dad because he loves his sincore get
that brand name in there, and he drinks tequila all
the time, that he was feeling himself a little bit.
He knew ahead of time because he called and texted
me and wanted to make sure that I didn't take
anything the wrong way. But when the article came out,
(33:45):
he texted me again said he never said. Hell no,
and that's not what the implications were. So trying to
do some relationship repair in the midst of doing their
podcast there. But it's just one of those things, the
old but he pool kind of thing. Right, You've got
millions of people across these cities and highways and byways
(34:07):
of life. You can go a few degrees of separation.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You don't blank where you eat.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's very well said, very poetic, very very poetic, but
you know to the point, you know adding you know
she likes the spotlight. So does her ex husband, Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Oh, Scotty's going for it now. I mean he's attacking everybody.
I mean, but the attacks on Jordan's saying that he's
trash and everything else. He was showed up. All my god, Scotty,
stop it, you and your migraines.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Stop there it is, stop comes in with the big swing.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But what somebody again, old dudes need to sit back.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, I always laugh, right because Pippin and this goes
to the chicagoan and me and you saw a little
bit of it in the last dance, And I don't
know that sort of portrayed it the right way because
it tried to, you know, vilify front office. If I
can get you to sign a below market deal because
you want.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Security, I'm a great GM.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I've done my job right. So when he signed, and
he still ended up making millions upon millions of dollars
more than Jordan never did once he went to Houston
and everything else, like he got paid right, So all
of that in Chicago, I get it. Maybe you feel
like you're out playing your contract, but you signed a
long term deal for the security. So I never quite
(35:31):
understood why, you know, people were sympathetic there. It's like, no,
you made trades.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
He should have got better representation or fired his representation.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And recognized the organization you were. You were negotiating with rights.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
No loyalty, this is none. It is not loyalty in
your marriage. Okay, look, it was like, come on, dude,
stop stop You like that one?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was pretty good. Yeah, that was like a you know,
hit the brakes real hard kind of moment, right, Mike
Garvin alongside old and Poll and he's having fun with you,
and he's explaining how to get through relationship difficulties as well,
don't do it. They're gonna be there.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Well, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, that's a whole I mean, there's a whole other industry.
I mean, you're trying to cut out a lot of
dollars and cents floating around there. There's no question about it.
But you know, we hear these stories now and again
around the league, and whatever the league may be, it's
just like, let's pause and think about these things a
little bit. And wherever you may be working, whatever your
(36:33):
status may be, maybe you pause and take a little
bit of a deep breath there as well. Coming up next,
we're going to get back into the fun and exciting
world of All Star Game twenty twenty three three two
win for the National League. Oh, you want to talk
about rarity as we're here in the tireraq dot com
Fox Sports Radio studios. An unlikely hero a snubbed would
(36:57):
be great, a guy who could compete for MVP if
you were to listen to my TAC team partner Jason
Smith with regularity. But we'll go through the All Star Game,
the good, the bad, the ugly as we roll on
here at Fox Sports Radio
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two am Eastern seven to eleven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every night on the
iHeartRadio app by searching fsrleas gives.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Greetings, Welcome in our three of the program. Here on
a beautiful Tuesday night, all Star Night live from the
Tirac dot com studios tirerac dot com. We'll help you
get there on unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free roadhazard
protection at over ten thousand recommended installers tirerac dot com.
The way tire buying should be. Smith off tonight. Noted
(00:52):
Yankees fan trying to will them to greatness in the
second half. Former NBA player first round pick Mike Old
and polonies in for Jason Smith today. Man, come on,
you got ariahs has more hits than everybody on the
Yankees except for Aaron Judge.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Hey man, leave us alone.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You exclude Judges first half before he got injured.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh yeah, the big toe guy.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, man, listen, when I hear about certain injuries, I
get a little concerned. You big and strong and your
little toe is hurting or your big toe is hurting.
Come on, man, you got a man hub. Some of
these injuries are funny as hell.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Man, Well, you know what I like to hear you
say that, because certainly, as people in the media, I'm
never gonna be one to speculate as to how hurt
a guy is and whether he should be able to
gut through pain. But I'll allow you to say it,
because I don't know, like what aches and paint like.
I can't lift my right and my left arm over
(01:56):
my like at all right now. It just hurts to
no way. Eventually there's a surgery happening there. But I
mean someone else might just say, ah, you're.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Soft, but it's a big toe. Yeah, you're standing there
swinging the bat. You're not running all the time, you're
not stealing bases. But again, again, I can't be right.
I shouldn't question somebody's pain tolerance and all that. It
just it just baffles me. Some of the injuries when
I hear them, and how long people are out for.
(02:26):
You know, we used to have this thing called quota zone.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, there were a lot a lot of things that
have been injected, ingested, et cetera through the years that
I'm wondering if the data says that was a good
idea sometimes, right, I don't think so. As we get older,
he reminder were brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Progressive
makes it bundling easy and affordable. Get a multi policy
discount by combining your motorcycle, RV, boat, ATV and more
(02:51):
all your protection of one place. Bundle and save at
Progressive dot com. Back into the All Star week, couple
of NBA stories swirling about a little bit of what
are you talking about? A guy that you are linked
to forever, his ex wife in the news once again,
and then a guy that we wish to see on
(03:12):
the basketball court, and he tells you how hard it
is if you have money to do something in particular.
But I'd be remissed. I was off the last couple
of days traveling, wasn't in front of the huge microphone
and all of the affiliates afforded us here at Fox
Sports Radio. As this Northwestern hazing scandal took over and
(03:35):
the news cycle attempted to be a news dump on
a Friday. The report was not released, just the findings
fifty plus people interview. You know a lot of the
particulars by now if you've been listening to sports radio
or going into the blogsphere, watching SportsCenter or whatever your
update shows are, So I don't need to rehash a
lot of it. But eleven people have corroborated some of
(03:59):
the allegations and talking about hazing, some allegations of racism
and that being an institutional process that has been pervasive
for a long period of time. So the findings come
out Friday from the investigator interview fifty plus people. Final
(04:21):
note is Pat Fitzgerald in a time where really nothing
happens in college football, basically take a two week unpaid vacation.
That was the idea. He signed off on that, and
that's what we got on Friday. Everybody claps a hand
and then the Daily Northwestern puts out some of the
details that are in the report that were part of
the findings, part of the investigation, and everybody screams, bloody murder,
(04:47):
and the court of public opinion has the spineless and
I'll use that term here, spineless university president and athletic
director suddenly, wait, wait, well, maybe we need to revisit this,
Maybe we need to look at this again the court
of public opinion. You made a six month investigation, You
(05:10):
hired someone deciding that with all the resources available to
my alma mater. And look Northwestern University, if you've ever
been on the campus, it is glorious. A lot of
great old buildings, a lot of top notch architecture. They've
done a lot of work, and the house that Fitzgerald built,
all the practice facility and everything else to the success.
(05:30):
There's money flowing everywhere that you've left in theory, no
stone unturned, and come to that conclusion. Yet, once the
Daily Northwestern puts their thing out and you start getting
a little bit of sourcing from other reporters, of all right,
talk to anonymous player. He says this et cetera, that
(05:53):
you reverse course. Now, in my mind, that's a dereliction
of duty and you should be fired for not doing
your job and showing no conviction over the six month
process that you just undertook to say, we evaluated this
and in our estimation, all of these accusations, we don't
(06:15):
have any proof at least this was their report. Right,
we have no proof and that's where the next part
of this goes. But we have no proof that coach
Fitzgerald knew about this. He issued his statement, accepted the
two weeks it was done, and then immediately to reverse
course because public opinion became very vocal, because sports talk
(06:38):
radio in Chicago, because of the blogs and everything else,
that you reverse course and suddenly say, well, you know what,
maybe it was worse than we thought. Maybe you know
it's it's like when we had the NFL. Go back
to ray Rice, right, and I can equate this to
a number of movies you want to you want to
do a few good Men and whatever else, we can
(06:59):
do that too. But go back to Roger Goodell and
the Ray Rii situation. Two games then the videotape comes out.
It's like, you know what, maybe we didn't adjudicate this
properly because the Court of public opinion and the Protect
the Shield became a all right, we've got to go
back over the top and give you another penalty. That's
what happened here. Court of public opinion and some details
(07:20):
that were in the report but not released to the
public made it wow. Look, I guess you know, when
you read it that way, et cetera, it becomes it.
And I'm not justifying any of it. Like some of it.
It's the old this is the way it was maybe
when Fitzgerald played, maybe in the years past. We're talking
about a thirty year period where he's been mostly in
(07:44):
the school, and you build a fiefdom. And I say
this always, this is why you have term limits in government,
and why I think if you're a principle of a school,
you shouldn't be there for twenty five years, because you know,
it becomes the my way or the highway. And that
seems to be the way as Fitzgerald ran the program.
It's all right, this is our culture, this is the
wildcat way, et cetera. So do I know categorically that
(08:07):
he knew what was going on? No. I mean, we've
got guys that are you're detached from a lot of
the day to day overarching thing. But when your whole
mantra of your program is the buck ends, you know,
I'm at fault when we lose. I'm at fault when
this doesn't go right, when this play call, and and
on and on. You've got the video that came out
(08:28):
as president of the Coaches Association, the anti hazing. We
don't do that here. We don't believe in that. Whatever
all of that sets up for the you go and
that's and that's where where it ended. And it's it's
the difficulty. And I think if olden, if if I
would read the room correctly, most athletic directors right now
(08:52):
are on calls with everybody of what's going on in
our locker rooms, because there's there's there's the fine line
between all right, we have a for practice and a
guy has to run an extra lap or two because
he made a mistake to some of the nonsense that
was in this report, like if this can be corroborated
and this as it has with the eleven people, and
(09:12):
if any of this is true, then I don't see
how any of it makes you a stronger team.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
They can get eleven people, one hundred and eleven, eleven
thousand people, Okay, it's still going to be the same thing.
Number one, Northwestern's not the only school. So all these
athletic directors need to all be fired. Everybody needs be
because there's always something going on on campus. Why could
(09:41):
these are eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. People are doing
stupid stuff when they're young, and we we know this
because it's been going on for a long time. And
so to me, Northwestern's problem wasn't we talked about it. It
wasn't the you know, the two week thing. It's like
you gave him two weeks and then all of a sudden,
(10:03):
like you said, public opinion swayed you. You did the investigation.
Who cares what the outside is saying. If it's true,
fire him. If it's not true, figure it out. But
you shouldn't wait on people to get upset. And you
brought up a great point with the Ray Rice. We
(10:24):
messed up, but you didn't mess up. You looked at everything.
You had already seen the video.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But that's the thing, right, You did your investigations, and
I would give you a vote of no confidence. Michael Schill,
do what you will with that name. And ad Derek
greg greg who took over from Mike Puliski, who had
to be resigned nine days into his tenure over a
sexual harassment claim by a cheerleader. So you've already got
(10:50):
a bunch of other things swirling here, not to mention
that with USC and UCLA coming in your role in
the Big Ten and the elimination of divisions and within
the conference means you're relegated to the bottom and you
may be relegated to go play in a new league
in a few years time when that new facility. But
we'll push that aside for now. Where it stands is
(11:12):
you had leadership that signed off on this saying we
did a great investigation, we hired the right person, we
talked to enough people, we have all the information we need.
And as soon as public perception and dislikes and commentary
on Twitter and threads and everything became too much, your
reverse course.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, that shows me you're not ready to be a leader.
I heard the investigation was done, and we did a
thorough investigation. But the problem, Mike, that I'm having is this,
how are you retaining the assistant coaching.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That is the next shoe to drop? Kevin Wyre in
his updates that was announced earlier today because I had
tweeted out like, how do you have a twenty twenty
three season? Because if you're firing the head coach who
may actually have a little bit of plausible deniability, right,
layers within an organization doesn't mean he doesn't know something,
(12:08):
right the yeah, YEA, take care of that. We got
to get those problems resolved, and there's an institutional thing
of what happens in that regard. But to tell me
that the assistant coaches all get to stay. Now Bron's
a new guy comes over from North Dakota State, I
get it. You could say, all right, he hasn't been there,
but anybody that's been there for more than twenty seconds,
(12:30):
you're gone. You have to know you're part of the institution.
You're part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Dick.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
If you decided that it was a fireable offense for
cause for the head coach, then the assistant coaches can't stay.
And that's why it was making the argument that having
a season and now they make this decision, which is
just asinine. But you were looking at the transfer portal opens,
so anybody that can leave will leave. You're gonna have
a number of players who are just gonna refuse to
(12:58):
play for you because the loyalty to Fitzgerald. So you've
got that rolling on like you've got a whole hornets
nest of other issues. And I mentioned the externalities of
the changing conference in the face of college football. But
you've also got leadership devoid of conviction rolling through. But
(13:18):
the assistant coaches to your point, Olden that announcement today,
it's like, how many more idiotic things as a university
are you going to tap into? This story?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
In college the crap rises up, it doesn't go down.
It starts with the kids, and the assistants always get
the information before the head coach, and then they're supposed
to bring it to the head coach eventually. So now
I need to know did the assistant coaches mention any
of this stuff prior or not, or did they do it?
(13:48):
And then the head coach, you know, said I don't care,
but we need to know. But everybody's involved, it's not
just the head coach. Kind of like that whole remember
Tim Donahey, the referee, be a referee. You really got
to think and act like he's the only one.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Gotta have a fall guy.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, exactly. So right now Fitzpaster is the fall guy,
and I don't like that. Fire him for the stuff
that he's doing. I get it, but you're not gonna
tell me that as a head coach, because most of
the time the head coaches, like I said before, they
it's almost like the ego get the best of them.
Because I'm the head coach. I don't have time for
all this. That's why I hire my assesssing coaches. Well.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Part of it, though, it goes back to my point
about fiefdoms, right, you have a way that you do
things and you feel embolden, empowered. And for Pat Fitzgerald
during his tenure as a two time Player of the Year,
a College Football Hall of Famer, and then taking over
as he did under the circumstances with Randy Walker's passing
and the legacy play there you go all the way
(14:52):
through all right, how long? How far reaching? What is
this all about?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I watched him last year and I was very critical
on air, not only because they were terrible, but the
way he treated reporters towards the back end of the year,
very currct no, no, no, like, look, it's one thing you
don't want to answer questions like, ah, you know, we
don't need to address it, but like to diminish their
football knowledge. He did that to student reporters, But there
were a couple of people towards the end of the year.
They were so bad that most of the news media
(15:19):
there in Chicago. They didn't even send reporters, so anybody
that was still bothering didn't show. But anybody that bothered
to show up should have gotten more respect than they did.
So you saw a little bit of the hubrist take over.
And when everybody's telling you how great you are, what happens.
You build up for the fall, of course, and this
one when details come through in twenty twenty three, it's
(15:39):
a different world. Right when he played in the mid nineties,
maybe with Barnett and whatever, you have a culture and
it is and there's an acceptance. But at this point,
you know, you go through and all it takes is
one person who feels disenfranchised and changes the math. And
it always should have been that way, but it was
(16:01):
right it was. The machine keeps moving on. And now
in this case, Pat Fitzgerald is out. I'm calling for more,
more accountability from the leadership at Northwestern because I mean
they did a zoom call with the players, basically did
the address on a zoom call and then refused to
take questions in person. They finally come back from their vacations.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith Show with
me Mike Harmon, coming with you here. Jason Smith off tonight,
He'll be back tomorrow. My guy, Olden Polonies in his
stead as we're rolling through a big All Star Tuesday night.
Olden getting his groove on and enjoying the baseball an
(16:56):
Now the grooves that Alex Tyscher DJ Alex Tischer getting
the job done as he does each and every night
with us Justin Frosberg, our executive producer Kevin Wyatt on
the updates, and of course the rest of our squad
making it sound so pretty here as we come to
you live from the Tirack dot Com studios of Fox
Sports Radio. At Olden Polonies one. The number one is
(17:18):
where you find him on Twitter. Find me over at
Swollen Dome Threads. They assigned me Swollen Dome, so I
guess I'm there too, So come on in as you will.
So it's now as we move forward and we talk
about the NBA off season, some of the stories we
get Olden, I mean, this is just I mean, sometimes
(17:41):
just too good to be true. And I'll start with
the weighty subject as we teased ahead, and the story
of our guys, Zion Williamson. Now, a couple of weeks ago,
he was in the news for other things. His late
night maybe mid afternoon dalliances. I don't know what they
were with a Buxom film star multiple Yeah, that may
(18:08):
have been working down the road here. We were actually
just kind of talking about that, the guys and I
of what we have down the street. But you know, Zion,
We've always talked about his weight, even when he was
at Duke right, big kid, young kid, and then he
goes to New Orleans. Well, what do you do in
New Orleans? I mean, you want to talk about food
(18:29):
like I was just a home in Chicago and look
other than walking around the extra miles, like you're gonna
put on weight fast, and in New Orleans, that certainly
could be the case. Zion Williamson didn't give his locale
as to why he has struggles with his weight. No,
he gave us a different reason.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Isn't hard to diet at your age?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
She's be honest, since is you.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I'll be real there are times when I would say
that man. Actually hard is hard, man like twenty twenty two,
got a lot of money, all them.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It feels like all the money in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Man, it is hard.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But I'm at that point now where because of certain things,
I'm putting back, like the wisdom around me, much of
like I.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Want to say older, because they.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Just putting people around me wisdom put me on game
to certain things and just go from there.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Though part of the Gilbert Arenas Gills Arena podcast listen
at six foot six to eighty four. Oh no, that's
actually a pretty good one there, Joe Frostburg giving me
the line saying that maybe he and victim women Yama
should switch diets for a few weeks. You do my thing,
(19:41):
I do yours. We'll see if we meet in the middle,
not off the court though.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
This is No, he's not ruady for that.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
No, No, he's too young for that.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You know how ridiculous all that sounds, because I get it,
you're twenty twenty two. But you need somebody to tell
you not to overeat, You need somebody to tell you
not to mess with points? Does come on? Man, some
things are just common sense.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, no, the latter part of it, I mean, you
do what you're gonna do because I mean, look, he's
with a girl and he's got a baby on the way,
So yeah, from that perspective, no, but categorically ruling out
the you know, adult film attresses.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I mean, look, I can't be that guy. I'll stick
on the I'll stick on just a weight thing. He
knew he was big right a long time ago. I
still remember when he blew out his shoe doing that game,
a big game, Yeah, and the shoe blew out. There's
a reason why that shoe blew out.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Okay, shoddy workmanship, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You can blame that. But then you get in the NBA.
You're just eating yourself out the league. Dude, you already
had a propensity for weight gain. You can look at
him and you have a leg differential. He waddles when
he walks. If people don't notice that, that's a leg differential,
so that you're gonna be prone to injury. No one's
(21:05):
talking about any of that stuff. And on top of
all that, you are overeating, like Charles Balky famously said,
so they don't have restaurants in Portland when they send
him to Portland. Dude, no matter where you go, there's
gonna be food. You just have to do a better job.
I tell people all the time, because I do training
and everything else. Eat all you want. As long as
(21:27):
you exercise, that's all. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.
The problem is he's eat he's eating, he's overeating, and
he's continuously eating. And when he gets hurt, he eats
more because now he's a little depressed because he's not playing,
he's not exercising, putting on Wait. So there's more to
(21:48):
it than just adding some friends around you to tell you, hey, man,
you gotta watch this. No, if he does need some help,
you know professionally, he needs to get it, but it
will always cause his injuries. This weight, it's too much.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Fun, it's too much on your joints.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
It's too much.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, look, as a man of five foot nothing,
I would equit myself to your local neighborhood fire plug.
It's kind of what I look like at all own
it look. Weight has been a problem my whole life.
And you have good days, good weeks, good months. Like
it's a psychological battle. You know what you should do.
(22:28):
It's like handling money, dealing with your relationships and friends
and family, whatever. You know what in theory, most of
us know what we should do. It's just having the
discipline to do it. As you mentioned with Zion, look, stress, eating, anxiety,
whatever's gone like I'm subject to that. I'll tell you
that right now, Like things are going bad. What are
(22:49):
you doing? But that's it. You're snacking right and you're
not thinking about it because your mind's over here. But
your offhand is shoveling whatever you've got, and sometimes you
get desperate and you start hitting the baking supplies. It's
not even a finished product anymore. But it's just that
with Zion, we've now watched it for multiple years and
(23:11):
you've got assembled in New Orleans on your team's staff, trainers, dietitians,
all of the best that money can buy at your
disposal because they've invested you order million dollars in you.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Every team has that. You go into any team's facility,
they have a chef, a dietitian, they have people. That's
what I'm saying. They're giving these guys more and more
to be successful, and we getting less and less, and
it's upsetting. Dude, Grow up. Do what you're supposed to.
Take care of your body. Do your work. That's the
(23:45):
bottom line. You played one hundred and fourteen games in
four years. That's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
He was really good in those hundred and fourteen games, though.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
But we need more. It's like, come on, dude, that's insane. Man,
and whatever other issue as you're dealing with, you need
to fix all that because again, these guys, for whatever reason,
they're not looking at this at the for the big picture.
Everybody's it's weird this generation. I swear, I don't want
to sound like the grumpy old man or the ex athlete,
(24:15):
but it's like, dude, something's not right here.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, I would say this though, old and you know
what not I'm not going to defend it because you
have been given the golden ticket and in the NBA
he's now got the guaranteed contract, which is the I mean, look,
the Wonka trailer preview to showed up today, right, Timothy's
Shalomey in a reworking. You got Hugh grant as an
umpa lumpa all of this stuff. You got the golden ticket, right,
(24:40):
you got this pogo stick body when you're sound, You've
got this size spin move into the land explosiveness that well,
we talk about guys like we're talking about Wembin Yamba
before in terms of generalized like, Zion's a different guy
when he's sound right, but we can't keep him on
the court. But you've now you know the old definition
(25:01):
of insanity. You've now done this multiple times means I've
got to change something. But I look, if I'm twenty
two to twenty three year old and you hand me
a two hundred million dollar check, I'm an idiot at
near fifty and nobody gave me a two hundred million
dollar check. So I don't know how I'm react or
the people around me, which is why, as he says,
the older guys, And that's that's the other part, is right,
(25:23):
who are you listening to in your locker room? It's
part of the conversation we had with John Morant, right,
and look at what they did in the offseason and
ahead of the draft to bring in veteran guards to
maybe shore up some of that stuff, not only for
the twenty five games he's gonna miss, but to be
someone that can talk with Zion. Same thing. I don't
(25:43):
know who's around him, who he's listening to, but clearly
someone's got to remind him of the player that he
was and what he could be. And I also think
about that twenty nineteen draft class. There's a lot of
excitement out of there, but it's really kind of fizzled
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, I gotta make this point though, hit me, Okay,
So I don't want anybody get all upset with me
because of what I just said about jam Moran. We've
had fat, you know, overweight, whatever terminology people want to use. Okay.
If they're offended by fat, then I'll use overweight. If
(26:20):
they're offended by overweight, I'll use whatever words you want
me to use. Okay, big bone, I don't care. We've
had Oliver Miller, We've seen Glenn Big Baby Davis. We've
had John hot Plate Williams. We've had all that in
the past. But they were not Zion Williamson. They were
not handed two hundred million dollar contrast. They were not
(26:43):
looked upon as generation for they were just guides, journeymen,
barely making it. So it's so, you know, to a
certain extent, with they didn't have eyes on them like
Zion Zion. People are looking at you, kids are looking
at you. You built your name off of social media,
(27:05):
all these highlight dunks and everything else. Now all of
a sudden, you're just gonna eat your way out the NBA.
Come on, man, you gotta be better than that.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, don't blame the money. Figure out, get with a
sports psychologist, get with the nutrition.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I have twenty doors with all that money.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's the thing. You've got everything at your disposal.
I'm sure David Griffin and everybody associated with the Pelicans
organization is how do we help you, especially in the downtime,
Like you said, when you're becoming active. What happens when
people have to have, you know, a cut on their knee, right,
you go in and get surgery because you're a weekend warrior, golfer,
basketball player, whatever you sit and you're on your your butt.
(27:45):
So what happens. You're starting going to put on weight
because you're not your sedentary and for Zion, you've had
long periods of inactivity related to such injuries three years.
I was trying to be kind old.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I don't want to laugh at them.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's hard because you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I'm from the era of playing through everything. No, I
get that, okay, sure, And we had this discussion as well,
it's like the more they sit, the more they will get.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Hurt one hundred percent. That's why we were talking about
baseball pitchers and innings and pitch counts and all that nonsense.
What happens try to stretch you out. I mean, we're
always like, hey, is this guy gonna be able to
pitch one inning more than he did last year? Or
are we pushing it?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Welcome back into the tire rac dot Com Fox Sports
Radio Studios Mike Harmon alongside Olden Polonies. Smith will be
back well, and he's gonna talk to you now. He
might start rapping any second now at Olden Polonies one,
Olden Polonies the number one on Twitter. Find me over
at Swollen Dome. Now we go back to your draft class. Yes,
(28:59):
sir man, you were swapped with in the draft, and
well larsa Pippen something bacon, the rack thing with the
guy in the place, the guy who makes some noise
trying to sell his bourbon. What is a big hand
bourbon or whatever it is, got like his handprint on there. Yeah,
Scottie Pippen's acts. Larsa Pippen kind of got deep down
(29:23):
and as the New York Post article puts it, I'll
quote it directly. Quote was in her fields about Michael
Jordan's apparent disapproval of her relationship with his son Marcus.
So they do a podcast together called Separation Anxiety. She's
forty nine, Marcus is thirty two. Michael Jordan, of course,
(29:46):
the goat sixty years old. He was asked if he
approved of the romance between the Real Housewives star and
acts of Scottie Pippen, his longtime teammate who seems to
have an extra grind with everybody. Yes, but that's a
whole other topic. It's we'll we'll get to it here
in a second. But Michael Jordan, asked about it, said,
(30:10):
you know, do you approve? He said, just frankly no.
So evidently she's really kind of upset about this quote.
You thought it was funny, and he said, well, you know,
I don't think it was funny. There's nothing funny about it.
She tells him. I kind of felt it went everywhere,
and I was kind of embarrassed, like, well, you're you're
(30:31):
dating the son of your ex husband's teammate. What right?
What was he gonna say? Oh, what a joyous thing.
Remember when he was wearing those kids size for Yeah, er,
let me let me set up set you up in
my mansion up in here. Oh wow, I I just
(30:55):
what what do you expect?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
What? What?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
What kind of reaction are you anticipating that?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
You remember when when the kids were running around your house?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Seventeen year difference and look, look, find you, You're gonna find.
But there are millions of people in this world, yes, sir,
a fame grab if there ever was you don't have.
And if it became a real relationship, great, if they're good,
great you found in love. But to then complain that
(31:26):
you're you're getting some backlash and that Michael Jordan took
a puff of a cigar and went no in terms
of approval.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We don't do teammates. We don't do kids of teammates.
We don't do that. That's just that it's so foul
on so many levels. And I don't know, because you
know they do all this. You know everybody's going what
is the TERMINI? Clickbait that they're all going for clickbait.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Everybody getting a bunch of which is why they now
have a podcast.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So and people were saying people that in the know
it telling, hey, Michael was not with this at all,
and then they're trying to make it see and then
Scottie Pippen and I'm sure he's distraught. I get it,
you know, but don't attack Mike as if Mike agreed
to it, or it's like, oh, I'm sure he sat
(32:15):
Marcus down. Hey man, what are you doing? You know
it's there's people your own age. But lost it to
me was like she she she started this because you know,
she had the relationship with Malik Beasley, who was just
with the Lakers, right and he was married at the time.
So she's been going at a bunch of these guys
(32:38):
you know that she knows either a married or are
friends of his ex husband's you know, teammate all of
that stuff because she wants to live that clickbait life.
And so don't get don't tell me all of a
sudden that you're traumatized, because that's what I'm saying. People
are throwing all these words out, you know, because it's
(33:00):
it's the it's in fashion right now. Okay, if you
were traumatized. You should have said, you know what, I'm
not gonna do this if you didn't want to be traumatized.
I'm not gonna put myself, my family, even my ex husband.
I may hate your guts, but everybody knows who Michael
(33:22):
Jordan is and who Scottie Pippen is.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Now here's the great response from Marcus quote. I can
only assume my dad because he loves his sincore get
that brand name in there, and he drinks tequila all
the time, that he was feeling himself a little bit.
He knew ahead of time because he called and texted
me and wanted to make sure that I didn't take
anything the wrong way. But when the article came out,
(33:45):
he texted me again said he never said. Hell no,
and that's not what the implications were. So trying to
do some relationship repair in the midst of doing their
podcast there. But it's just one of those things, the
old but he pool kind of thing. Right, You've got
millions of people across these cities and highways and byways
(34:07):
of life. You can go a few degrees of separation.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You don't blank where you eat.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's very well said, very poetic, very very poetic, but
you know to the point, you know adding you know
she likes the spotlight. So does her ex husband, Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Oh, Scotty's going for it now. I mean he's attacking everybody.
I mean, but the attacks on Jordan's saying that he's
trash and everything else. He was showed up. All my god, Scotty,
stop it, you and your migraines.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Stop there it is, stop comes in with the big swing.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But what somebody again, old dudes need to sit back.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Well, I always laugh, right because Pippin and this goes
to the chicagoan and me and you saw a little
bit of it in the last dance, And I don't
know that sort of portrayed it the right way because
it tried to, you know, vilify front office. If I
can get you to sign a below market deal because
you want.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Security, I'm a great GM.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I've done my job right. So when he signed, and
he still ended up making millions upon millions of dollars
more than Jordan never did once he went to Houston
and everything else, like he got paid right, So all
of that in Chicago, I get it. Maybe you feel
like you're out playing your contract, but you signed a
long term deal for the security. So I never quite
(35:31):
understood why, you know, people were sympathetic there. It's like, no,
you made trades.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
He should have got better representation or fired his representation.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And recognized the organization you were. You were negotiating with rights.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
No loyalty, this is none. It is not loyalty in
your marriage. Okay, look, it was like, come on, dude,
stop stop You like that one?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was pretty good. Yeah, that was like a you know,
hit the brakes real hard kind of moment, right, Mike
Garvin alongside old and Poll and he's having fun with you,
and he's explaining how to get through relationship difficulties as well,
don't do it. They're gonna be there.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Well, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, that's a whole I mean, there's a whole other industry.
I mean, you're trying to cut out a lot of
dollars and cents floating around there. There's no question about it.
But you know, we hear these stories now and again
around the league, and whatever the league may be, it's
just like, let's pause and think about these things a
little bit. And wherever you may be working, whatever your
(36:33):
status may be, maybe you pause and take a little
bit of a deep breath there as well. Coming up next,
we're going to get back into the fun and exciting
world of All Star Game twenty twenty three three two
win for the National League. Oh, you want to talk
about rarity as we're here in the tireraq dot com
Fox Sports Radio studios. An unlikely hero a snubbed would
(36:57):
be great, a guy who could compete for MVP if
you were to listen to my TAC team partner Jason
Smith with regularity. But we'll go through the All Star Game,
the good, the bad, the ugly as we roll on
here at Fox Sports Radio
Hosts And Creators
Jason Smith
Mike Harmon
Popular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.