July 13, 2023 • 28 mins
Mike and Arnie talk about Barry Bonds comments on his Hall of Fame status, the changes to MLB’s pace of play and the effect on the game, the war of words brewing as Oklahoma & Texas prepare to exit the Big 12, and more!
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Coming up in a little bit. You got a little
verbal slap fights and in the Big Twelve as we
get ready for teams to exit in some saying we're
going out with a bang. But first as we roll
on Major League Baseball, Yes, at the All Star break.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, if it's funny you brought that up. I
was gonna just jump in there and bring it up
good finish. What you're gonna say is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You already jumped in.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You already got since I.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Since I stepped all over you. They have the lowest
obviously watching the All Star Game in the history of
the All Star Game. And you know why that is, Mike.
They took away a whole generation, a whole age group,
because the All Star Game is no longer for kids
when we were younger. The kids watch the All Star Game.
I'm talking about if you are.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Arnie Span your pulling to think of it.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No children, No, but seriously, if you were five to eighteen,
you were engulfed in this Kids no longer, that age group,
that demographic really could care less about the All Star Game. Probably,
you know, all the way up to like twenty five,
they're going to continue to lose numbers on something like that.
It's a good product. I just don't think there's enough
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to interest in it right now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, I mean, all Star games as a whole are
a tricky proposition Major League Baseball. I think the larger
issue you have is that the specialness of these players
being on the field together is kind of eradicated by
the way you do your current schedule. Is that we
see these players against each other. And the fact that
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we see all these players anytime we want via MLB TV,
the different television packages that we have right Peacock on
Sunday mornings and Fox National Games of the Week, ESPN,
go on down the line is that we have access
to all these players. It's not just highlights right on
a Monday through Friday. It's like, hey, here's the top
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ten plays and all that stuff. And I'm not casting.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Do you say all the All Star Games? Was they
all we have access to everyone?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, but that's my point is that the All Star
Games in general don't have the same juice, but certainly
for baseball and left if you want. But I think
you take some of the specialness away when you go
to the uniformity of the uniform.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, I agree, Right.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So you're not running around in you know, we were watching
it yesterday old and Polonies sitting in for Jason yesterday
and just commenting on one of our monitors. We had
clips of old All Star games, right, so you're seeing
the pillbox piratesats, you're seeing the old Astro's uniforms, right,
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running around the old well, pick any one of the
crazy White Sox uniforms through the years, all of those things, right,
old Phillies unis whatever. But every desire is well. But
I think it is to a degree. I joked about
it earlier, like Diaz wins the MVP after hitting the
pinch hit home run, right, right, could you tell what
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team he was on?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No, So there's a little bit of that too, right,
that there's not that juice. And we were just talking
about the cream skulls and would you buy one same
thing here, right, you see this guy in the All
Star Game, go and do something heroic. Maybe you're inspired to,
you know, shell out a couple of dollars because now
he's your guy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And overall to the Pitchers dominate. It seems like, I
mean not every time, but over the last twenty years,
I think the other has been hit, like what fifteen six, It's.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Been a lot of times, right, Actually, finally win a game. Well,
I mean obviously when you go to it, aren't he
nobody's seeing a guy a second.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Time, right, right?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right? You get him once and that's it and then
they're out of the game. So I got I got him.
You know, I got a beat on this guy for
my second at bat. Well, you don't get to see
him a second.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Time, right exactly. Back at when we were watching the
All Star Game, Pitchers won three innings. If you started
the game, you won three innings. You have to go
through the lineup to go ahead and get out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You just dropped another in my day.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, I know, I know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's okay, bunny. Sorry, I'll give you the virtual hug
to bring you back into twenty twenty three. It's Okay,
everything evolves just like the.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well it's going out. I mean to bring me to
twenty twenty three, but you got to stop the bleeding mics.
You know people, but in the end you don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, but that's the larger point, right, How much does
it really matter in the larger scale of things. Obviously
for Fox we want as big a number as you
can possibly have. Still a seven rating, which is nothing
to sneeze at in today's day and age of ratings.
You know, Bo Benson gave us our ratings. Bordis in
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as executive producer Tonight gave us that big breakdown total
day average audience over the last twelve months per Nielsen.
I mean, YouTube at nearly five million per day is
the thing that comes through far higher than anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Is that amazing? I saw that today and they talk
about the way people consume you know, videos and news
and stuff like that, YouTube and Netflix one and two.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm not surprised. And Silvia fractured world, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, and then you have CBS and sure by
half by like fifty percent more on YouTube and Netflix
than you do CBS, ABC and NBC.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, because the other thing that gets curious right, because
you got Hulu in there at fourth, it's now a
question of where you're consuming it, because on Hulu you
may still be consuming that's a product from one of
the other networks, but it registers as a Hulu view.
Say that five times fast, yeah, and going on down
the line. But to draw a seven in these windows
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anymore is huge, Right. We can do all those comparisons
back to mash and Seinfeld at its peak and whatever
I mean those are. You know, it's it's like, you know,
comparing what your dollar is worth today for.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, but we don't get numbers like that on TV
shows anymore anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, No, But that's my point is that you don't
see a lot of that. And one of the running
jokes we have when Steve de Seger's in the booth
here doing our updates tonight we're blessed with our guy
Brian Finley, is all right, how does this game or
event rate against the ratings of Young Sheldon? Somehow that
became the touch point oftentimes because of the Thursday night
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football games and what have you. But we go through
and that becomes part of what we're comparing, right, Young
Sheldon top rated primetime program This goes back to March
and they average seven point five million viewers. So that's
your top show. Well, the All Star Game was right
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on par with that, right, right. I know it's an event,
but it's still on a relative basis, and I take
nothing away from its place once upon a time as
the national pastime. We talk about horse tracing, we talk
about boxing, talk about baseball, and then obviously you got
the the goliath currently that is the NFL. But seven
point seven million is nothing to sneak.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
No, but out of the top fifty TV shows, like what,
forty seven of them are NFL gamers, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean, and there's a lot to go with that, right.
The NFL is a once a week experience for whatever
team you're watching. Gambling implications, fantasy implications, all of those
things roll through and their events baseball, EBB and flow
and even an All Star our game. It's Tuesday night, summer, right,
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people are on.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Voting up against nothing, though, Mike, what is it up against?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But in the end, you know, and again I love it,
and I was on Air Force, so I was watching
it while working, and because of the work we do
and the love of the games, that we have. We're
gonna watch it for a lot of people, even if
you're a big Baseball fan of insert team. Here is
the All Star Game necessarily bringing you to the to
the TV.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, it did the Baseball All.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Star time changes. But like I said, right, we have
access to all these guys. Whereas some of the time
frames you and I are referencing. Oh gee, you didn't
necessarily have it, right. I wait, he waited for the
box scores in the newspaper. I brought up see what
I did there talking about it like you did with
Steve Hartman earlier.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I brought this up with plaque once like a boy,
remember the TV show this week at Baseball Absolute quick Notes,
and boy, you know what's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Here's the voice of mel Allen.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You have that, you have, you have think about.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You have it every day on MLB.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
No, I understand, right, that's true. But you know you
have NFL where they do you know, pre stuff and
post stuff and show highlights other than the MLB network.
You don't have a show nationally.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, you do ahead of a national game right on Fox.
We have a pre game before you go in, right, right, right,
game of the week, Right, But I mean, you hit
a bunch of Elie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, but twim notes and all that great stuff. Man,
I used to watch them.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Bring me back to the baseball bunch while we're at it.
Give me some more Tommy Less sort of videos. You
go back and watch those on YouTube every now and again.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What do you think of Kingman's performance?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But his performance, But all of those kind of things
add up, And I think where we're at right now
is the glood of entertainment. How we consume information and
entertainment right binge watching. I know a lot of folks
when a new season of something premieres and I'll watch
episode one, they don't watch episode two or three.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
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Speaker 2 (11:10):
All right, all eight are available. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And then, are you watching more baseball? Now that the
games are faster, now that they're like two hours, two
hours or fifty minutes? Are you saying to itself? You
know what, I think, I'll sit down for the whole
White Sox game or met game or Dodger game or
whatever it is. Or do you still we watched maybe
four or five innings or me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't think my viewing habits are really changed, right,
I mean that's what I was supposed to do, though,
I mean, and the numbers would say overall it did.
Like I said, I'm not the average bear, right right, right,
I'm a different guy for what we do for a
living and where my interests lie. It's like if you
got me in, I'm in. Like I'm that I guess
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OCD kind of personality.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'll sit and watch a bad lower division college football
game just because I'm involved and I'm excited. I'll watch
every NFL game, and I'm that big nerd that I'll
go back on my season ticket package that I have
right where you get to the the replays at your
disposal after midnight on Sundays. I'm the guy that goes
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back and watched the condensed version so I can watch
them all again, right, instead of the eight grid. But
I'm I'm the I don't know the outlier in terms
of your general populace. And I think the baseball I
was already there. Like if I'm sitting down to watch
a game, I didn't care whether it was two hours
forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That was supposed to say baseball was to make it
move faster and cut it by a half hour.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But that's why I point though one like you asked
me as me right at the numbers would say it's
working greatly in multiple ways. For television viewing, I find
that you know, how am I going to watch more?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and I'm here.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't count when you're in
the studio.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
How does it not? I'm not watching, No, but you
have how many how many of our colleagues don't watch it?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
INNY?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I have I don't know, let's go there, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But but it's but it's the idea of you know,
when it's available. Yeah, obviously I've got responsibilities to my
kids running around like that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well we're on the east you're.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
On the east coast, up west coast, guy. But it's
it's the idea of, like, if there's an opportunity to watch,
I do. But the numbers would suggest it, right. Attendance
is up in a lot of places. I think it's
helped by the fact that a lot of normal also
ran cities are now participating in a big way. I mean,
look at Baltimore, look at what they have built, the
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young guys that have been called up, and the farm
system that they now have in place. It's it's really
a huge turnaround. Whether you like or dislike the ownership there.
Right now, they've got some of the most exciting young
players in the game and they're there and they're chasing
down the Rays and it's gonna be a fun the
second half. See if they can add another piece. Are
they willing to get rid of one of the guys
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in the farm cis them? Pittsburgh had a good run
early in the season. We look at weather patterns or whatever.
We've had some some disappointments, but overall attendance is up.
I gotta think that the the quicker games has something
to do with that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It does. It does, but Mike, it will never get
to where it needs to be. You want to grow.
It needs to be, well, that's obvious. What needs to be.
You need to have a split season because when when
the Mets are eighteen and a half games out of
first and they're in New York, when you have teams
that are the Cardinals in last place eleven and a
half games out of first, so you have a split season.
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Another opening day. Another another Pennant race.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You would have brought up two examples, one where a
guy spent money terribly right and got well, there's another one, right,
so take them too. And then they talk about have
a bad season. Oh no, if.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You have a split season, more people would be interested
and all invested. When you're telling me it's week what
now ninety Ah, you know I still got like seventy
more games left or something like that. You know, if
you have the you need to have the split season
to get everybody back in.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, but there worked once, doesn't mean it's something you didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It didn't really work. The Reds at the best record
in baseball. They didn't go.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, but just based on their split obviously, right cumulative,
it didn't work. But you get my point, right, and right, generally,
if the team stinks, I don't care if you split
it in half. But you're still gonna stink.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, but you never know, but you do some more tickets.
But now it's a fresh start, another opening day. It's
in the summer instead of cold April.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More people already make opening Day three weeks long.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Anyway, Yeah, that's true, that that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You're right, So Yeah, let's add another three.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's rolling opener, you're a home opener, you're away opener.
It's everything out there.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
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the hall. One of the things you're gonna really it's
gonna stand out for you, Arnie, is you're gonna remember
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Speaker 3 (16:34):
Everyone.
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Speaker 2 (17:11):
Of the evening, and now he continued in Major League
Baseball Arnie, not all Star related, but Hall of Fame,
talk about the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry. In just
a couple of weeks we will have the next level
of enshrinement and all that greatness that comes through all
the speeches and all the luminaries getting back together. I've
had the good fortune of being in Cooperstown a couple
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of times when I lived in upstate New York during
Induction week and meeting some of the old timers as
they all were called, coming back autograph signings, meet and
greets and whatever. And there's a special place for it.
A guy that's been excluded and there is no plaque,
there is no sunshine in him for Cooperstown right now
has been Barry Bonds. Yeah, last and year of eligibility
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was last year and still on the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
You don't ready. Do you know how much votes he
got last year by any chance.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The twenty twenty two Hall of Fame, because I don't
think he even came close. No, I think it was
ways away. But it's one of those that we chuckle
and I stopped paying attention after a while, like you
guys all you're terrible, But it's it is what it is.
Twenty twenty two, he actually got up to sixty six percent.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh that's more than I thought I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
The I know he was in the fifties for quite
a while, So he got up to sixty six percent,
Roger Clemens to sixty five. Then you had Roland gets
in right eventually, and then you had Kurt Schilling was
what fifty eight point six right? So for bonds as
we go through, and that was the class of twenty
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twenty two. For twenty twenty three voting, you're you're looking
at basically the same level. But it's the idea that
you've kept him out. You got to love that you
try to do this live and in living color on
the air, because you asked the the hard questions right
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as it were. But it's it's the idea that Bonds
has left out. We've seen so many of his contempt
but he's always left out of getting.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Look who the people that vote Mike. I would like
to see a different age group and a different different
type of voters, maybe, you know, more diverse, because I
think he should be in. You know, I hate holding
this grudge against him. We've let other people in the
Hall of Fame that have had the similar issues. He's
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just not liked and that's the problem. He's not a
guy that you know you're gonna feel for and you
want to get him into the Hall of Fame. But
based on his talents, that's exactly where he should be.
So yeah, So I think it's ridiculous we've waited this long.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, his last year was on it wasn't the sixty
six percent. This year you look at Scott Rowland was
able to across the threshold at seventy six percent, you know,
barely makes it in the seventy five percent, Todd Helton
at seventy two percent, Billy Wagner at sixty eight percent,
and then you get down to Andrew Jones, Gary Sheffield
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sitting at fifty five percent, another guy that I'd love
to hear some of the rationale that goes through in
terms of people voting in but for Barry Bonds. He
took to a podcast to plead and kind of make
make his explanation known. It was the Hollywood Swinging Podcast
Stephen Bishop Jerry Harriston Junior talking about where he's at
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in the process of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Yeah, doesn't bother you. Sure here I'm human.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You know, I'm not some walls sitting over here don't care.
Sure it bothers, it bothers you. But at the same time,
I also don't know who man. And you know, the
thing is is that people have to understand something. Is
that the fact of is that I was vindicated. I
went to the court, I was in federal court and
I won my case. One percent. Where is the vindications
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of me? Amound sport? That's what bothers me?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now, so he's.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
One hundred percent right by the way, I'm gonna say,
he's never been suspended for anything like that. But you
know what, if he wanted to get any why doesn't
he go on shows? Why didn't go on with Colin
or Dan Patrick? Why do they go on name people
to make his case? You know, does he feel like
he didn't have to? Is he goes too big to
do that? If he would have done that?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Maybe, But some of it is how much is campaigning
going to get you over a lot? Maybe? Maybe, but
you're gonna have to answer some hard questions along the
way because people it's gonna be tough to change their
minds along the way.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And that little clip right there, I think would have
changed some voters' minds.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well maybe, but we're also talking about different times. Right,
You've got analytics comes in and you're talking about how
great he was, but there's still the speculation and there
are certain players.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You can't somebody out for speculation.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, but isn't that what they've kind of done here? Right? Well,
you're talking about but yeah, well but that's the other part, right,
is that you've got plenty of folks that have gotten
in where the eyebrow raises as soon as their names
are mentioned, right, the casting of a spursion to anybody
that was running around in Texas for a while and
played alongside Conseco and Paul Mayrow and those guys. Right,
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Bonds did appear on the Contemporary Era Committee ballot last December,
once again you need seventy five percent, So he got
fewer than twelve of the sixteen votes. Seven hundred sixty
two career home runs, obviously the monster seventy three home
run season seven MVP Awards, and you still thought enough
even with speculation around, Right, Wow, this guy looks different,
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It feels different, all these things, right, because if you're
gonna go down that road, there are again plenty of
guys who've now gotten into the Hall of Fame from
that era that I think a lot of the same
questions were being asked. The fact that Bonds wasn't how
should we say, well liked, I think is the kind
way to write it. Right, It wasn't always the best
with reporters whatever that goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It shouldn't though, But what you do on the feet.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And it's humanity, right, it's human nature. If you got
snubbed for.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It, you're not doing a job, Mike, Then you're not
doing your job.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Called into question the voting populace of these things for
a very long time, right right, And our buddy Rob Parker,
who does the show in front of us, always says, well,
he won the MVPs, or Clemens won the cy youngs.
So how you get how come you have half of
your voting populace decides that they're not worthy because of speculation.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, but could you imagine if I was voting in
the like college Football Top twenty five, and I moved
Alabama dabas I didn't like Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Your sid would be voting anyway, So exactly, but can you.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Imagine if we did something like that, we'd be hell
a you.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Know, well, or you leave Nicola Jokic, you off your
MVP ballot? Yeah, oh wait, yeah, but you know, to
my like, Bonds has always been a Hall of Famer
and I'm not even going to the he had two
Hall of Fame careers if you want to go down
that road. But in the end, as he said in
court and all these other things, you prove nothing you
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could speculate, you can tie. You can also talk about
how the rules were changed. Right, there was the implicit
don't do this, that or the other, but it wasn't
explicit policies that came into place after.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
The fact, and I think it helped you more heal
than hit a baseball, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, but that's that's the other side, right, It is
it's a really uh slippery slope that we've always had
with this stuff. And in the end, I'm not saying
let's all be cartoon characters, although you know, hey, if
it's going to get all my stars back on the field,
I really don't care. You know, there's risks. But that's
(24:59):
the other thing, right.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If I told you right now, I'm sorry, But if
I told you that you can get Aaron Judge back
on the field in a week if he took performance
enhancing drugs or he's gonna miss the rest of the year,
you know which way are we voting? Was they take
the beat, they get it back on the field.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, well, but that but that's what comes down
to it, though, Arnie. You're always building a bigger, better
mouse trap, and you know, trying trying to fight the
chemicals and fight the labs. But when it comes down
to these kind of measures as you go through where
we have supplements and he had to change the supplements,
(25:35):
right because you've decided to outlaw this that the other
uh that you were they were using for all these years. Uh,
And then you're getting back back on the field, right,
that's the ultimate thing. So is and maybe it's a
specious argument, but let's for the for the sake of
love of the game. Uh, just talk to it, like,
all right, when you go train in Colorado, should you
(25:58):
be allowed to do that? If you don't, if you're
not in Colorado? Well, because I mean, now you're you're
talking about your lung capacity and working at high altitudes.
But that's my point though, is that not performance enhancing?
Not really, it's not helping your performance to go train
in that altitude.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But everybody else to go do the same thing to you, Mike.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As they do go to the bottle or the juice.
Like I said, you could say it's a specious argument,
but my point being that we encourage all sorts of
other things for performance enhancement, and here you have something
that could not only maybe help you be bigger, faster, stronger,
but also get you back on the field.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, you could say the same thing with like a
rosenbag that helps you with your performance.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Right, but right, But you have your rules along the way,
and you adapt as you do. And the rules that
were later added to Major League Baseball, I don't think
you apply them retroactively because you didn't like a guy. No,
you suspected him of things.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, the speculation is the part that bothers me. But
I really would love to see Bonds, you know, go
on with like a colin and just you know, let's
just get at it, man. Let him ask the tough
questions and let's see how Bonds answers it. Let him be,
let him answer it like he did that one. Let's
you know, let him. Let him get back in front
of people so we know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know, now in the end, you're either going to
vote for him or you're not. I don't I don't
know how much him talking is gonna sway because you're
now looking at committees.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It's like a jury.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can sit there, but they're the same people that
have been you know, judge, jury and execution around you
for this whole period. You know, the sanctity he get
a Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there were younger voters in their thirties.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Perhaps, Look, I always also argue this or any when
it's all said and done, it's a museum. Yeah, it's
a museum. It's an entertainment vehicle. I remember the last time,
and it's been a couple of years since I've been
able to get back. But the last time I was
there awful lot of images of Pete and memorabilia. Pete
Rose lining the hallways. Doesn't have a plaque. But here,
(28:05):
let's showcase the history of the game with the all
time hit leader at every corner.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I can't believe I'm so close to the Baseball Hall
of Fame and I've not. I've been to the Hockey
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You've never been to the Baseball Hall of Fame. No,
and you and you were the one going in here
right yelling us a USA to start the show. And
how dare you?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I know, how Darry? What is wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
We talked about Webb Yama and you did your xenophobic
thing that you did. Oh that USA, USA? And yeah,
I've been to you know, mom apple Pie even bothered?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
No, I have not bothered. And I've just driven through
Cooper's down. I'm not bothered.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I dare you?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I should should check it out then put it on
my list.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's it, You're off the list.
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Coming up in a little bit. You got a little
verbal slap fights and in the Big Twelve as we
get ready for teams to exit in some saying we're
going out with a bang. But first as we roll
on Major League Baseball, Yes, at the All Star break.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, if it's funny you brought that up. I
was gonna just jump in there and bring it up
good finish. What you're gonna say is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You already jumped in.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You already got since I.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Since I stepped all over you. They have the lowest
obviously watching the All Star Game in the history of
the All Star Game. And you know why that is, Mike.
They took away a whole generation, a whole age group,
because the All Star Game is no longer for kids
when we were younger. The kids watch the All Star Game.
I'm talking about if you are.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Arnie Span your pulling to think of it.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No children, No, but seriously, if you were five to eighteen,
you were engulfed in this Kids no longer, that age group,
that demographic really could care less about the All Star Game. Probably,
you know, all the way up to like twenty five,
they're going to continue to lose numbers on something like that.
It's a good product. I just don't think there's enough
(02:41):
to interest in it right now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, I mean, all Star games as a whole are
a tricky proposition Major League Baseball. I think the larger
issue you have is that the specialness of these players
being on the field together is kind of eradicated by
the way you do your current schedule. Is that we
see these players against each other. And the fact that
(03:02):
we see all these players anytime we want via MLB TV,
the different television packages that we have right Peacock on
Sunday mornings and Fox National Games of the Week, ESPN,
go on down the line is that we have access
to all these players. It's not just highlights right on
a Monday through Friday. It's like, hey, here's the top
(03:24):
ten plays and all that stuff. And I'm not casting.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Do you say all the All Star Games? Was they
all we have access to everyone?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, but that's my point is that the All Star
Games in general don't have the same juice, but certainly
for baseball and left if you want. But I think
you take some of the specialness away when you go
to the uniformity of the uniform.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, I agree, Right.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So you're not running around in you know, we were watching
it yesterday old and Polonies sitting in for Jason yesterday
and just commenting on one of our monitors. We had
clips of old All Star games, right, so you're seeing
the pillbox piratesats, you're seeing the old Astro's uniforms, right,
(04:07):
running around the old well, pick any one of the
crazy White Sox uniforms through the years, all of those things, right,
old Phillies unis whatever. But every desire is well. But
I think it is to a degree. I joked about
it earlier, like Diaz wins the MVP after hitting the
pinch hit home run, right, right, could you tell what
(04:28):
team he was on?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No, So there's a little bit of that too, right,
that there's not that juice. And we were just talking
about the cream skulls and would you buy one same
thing here, right, you see this guy in the All
Star Game, go and do something heroic. Maybe you're inspired to,
you know, shell out a couple of dollars because now
he's your guy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And overall to the Pitchers dominate. It seems like, I
mean not every time, but over the last twenty years,
I think the other has been hit, like what fifteen six, It's.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Been a lot of times, right, Actually, finally win a game. Well,
I mean obviously when you go to it, aren't he
nobody's seeing a guy a second.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Time, right, right?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right? You get him once and that's it and then
they're out of the game. So I got I got him.
You know, I got a beat on this guy for
my second at bat. Well, you don't get to see
him a second.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Time, right exactly. Back at when we were watching the
All Star Game, Pitchers won three innings. If you started
the game, you won three innings. You have to go
through the lineup to go ahead and get out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You just dropped another in my day.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, I know, I know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's okay, bunny. Sorry, I'll give you the virtual hug
to bring you back into twenty twenty three. It's Okay,
everything evolves just like the.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well it's going out. I mean to bring me to
twenty twenty three, but you got to stop the bleeding mics.
You know people, but in the end you don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, but that's the larger point, right, How much does
it really matter in the larger scale of things. Obviously
for Fox we want as big a number as you
can possibly have. Still a seven rating, which is nothing
to sneeze at in today's day and age of ratings.
You know, Bo Benson gave us our ratings. Bordis in
(06:11):
as executive producer Tonight gave us that big breakdown total
day average audience over the last twelve months per Nielsen.
I mean, YouTube at nearly five million per day is
the thing that comes through far higher than anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Is that amazing? I saw that today and they talk
about the way people consume you know, videos and news
and stuff like that, YouTube and Netflix one and two.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm not surprised. And Silvia fractured world, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, and then you have CBS and sure by
half by like fifty percent more on YouTube and Netflix
than you do CBS, ABC and NBC.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, because the other thing that gets curious right, because
you got Hulu in there at fourth, it's now a
question of where you're consuming it, because on Hulu you
may still be consuming that's a product from one of
the other networks, but it registers as a Hulu view.
Say that five times fast, yeah, and going on down
the line. But to draw a seven in these windows
(07:19):
anymore is huge, Right. We can do all those comparisons
back to mash and Seinfeld at its peak and whatever
I mean those are. You know, it's it's like, you know,
comparing what your dollar is worth today for.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, but we don't get numbers like that on TV
shows anymore anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, No, But that's my point is that you don't
see a lot of that. And one of the running
jokes we have when Steve de Seger's in the booth
here doing our updates tonight we're blessed with our guy
Brian Finley, is all right, how does this game or
event rate against the ratings of Young Sheldon? Somehow that
became the touch point oftentimes because of the Thursday night
(07:55):
football games and what have you. But we go through
and that becomes part of what we're comparing, right, Young
Sheldon top rated primetime program This goes back to March
and they average seven point five million viewers. So that's
your top show. Well, the All Star Game was right
(08:15):
on par with that, right, right. I know it's an event,
but it's still on a relative basis, and I take
nothing away from its place once upon a time as
the national pastime. We talk about horse tracing, we talk
about boxing, talk about baseball, and then obviously you got
the the goliath currently that is the NFL. But seven
point seven million is nothing to sneak.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
No, but out of the top fifty TV shows, like what,
forty seven of them are NFL gamers, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean, and there's a lot to go with that, right.
The NFL is a once a week experience for whatever
team you're watching. Gambling implications, fantasy implications, all of those
things roll through and their events baseball, EBB and flow
and even an All Star our game. It's Tuesday night, summer, right,
(09:04):
people are on.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Voting up against nothing, though, Mike, what is it up against?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But in the end, you know, and again I love it,
and I was on Air Force, so I was watching
it while working, and because of the work we do
and the love of the games, that we have. We're
gonna watch it for a lot of people, even if
you're a big Baseball fan of insert team. Here is
the All Star Game necessarily bringing you to the to
the TV.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, it did the Baseball All.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Star time changes. But like I said, right, we have
access to all these guys. Whereas some of the time
frames you and I are referencing. Oh gee, you didn't
necessarily have it, right. I wait, he waited for the
box scores in the newspaper. I brought up see what
I did there talking about it like you did with
Steve Hartman earlier.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I brought this up with plaque once like a boy,
remember the TV show this week at Baseball Absolute quick Notes,
and boy, you know what's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Here's the voice of mel Allen.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You have that, you have, you have think about.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You have it every day on MLB.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
No, I understand, right, that's true. But you know you
have NFL where they do you know, pre stuff and
post stuff and show highlights other than the MLB network.
You don't have a show nationally.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, you do ahead of a national game right on Fox.
We have a pre game before you go in, right, right, right,
game of the week, Right, But I mean, you hit
a bunch of Elie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, but twim notes and all that great stuff. Man,
I used to watch them.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Bring me back to the baseball bunch while we're at it.
Give me some more Tommy Less sort of videos. You
go back and watch those on YouTube every now and again.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What do you think of Kingman's performance?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But his performance, But all of those kind of things
add up, And I think where we're at right now
is the glood of entertainment. How we consume information and
entertainment right binge watching. I know a lot of folks
when a new season of something premieres and I'll watch
episode one, they don't watch episode two or three.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
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Speaker 2 (11:10):
All right, all eight are available. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And then, are you watching more baseball? Now that the
games are faster, now that they're like two hours, two
hours or fifty minutes? Are you saying to itself? You
know what, I think, I'll sit down for the whole
White Sox game or met game or Dodger game or
whatever it is. Or do you still we watched maybe
four or five innings or me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't think my viewing habits are really changed, right,
I mean that's what I was supposed to do, though,
I mean, and the numbers would say overall it did.
Like I said, I'm not the average bear, right right, right,
I'm a different guy for what we do for a
living and where my interests lie. It's like if you
got me in, I'm in. Like I'm that I guess
(11:49):
OCD kind of personality.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'll sit and watch a bad lower division college football
game just because I'm involved and I'm excited. I'll watch
every NFL game, and I'm that big nerd that I'll
go back on my season ticket package that I have
right where you get to the the replays at your
disposal after midnight on Sundays. I'm the guy that goes
(12:11):
back and watched the condensed version so I can watch
them all again, right, instead of the eight grid. But
I'm I'm the I don't know the outlier in terms
of your general populace. And I think the baseball I
was already there. Like if I'm sitting down to watch
a game, I didn't care whether it was two hours
forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That was supposed to say baseball was to make it
move faster and cut it by a half hour.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
But that's why I point though one like you asked
me as me right at the numbers would say it's
working greatly in multiple ways. For television viewing, I find
that you know, how am I going to watch more?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and I'm here.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't count when you're in
the studio.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
How does it not? I'm not watching, No, but you
have how many how many of our colleagues don't watch it?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
INNY?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I have I don't know, let's go there, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But but it's but it's the idea of you know,
when it's available. Yeah, obviously I've got responsibilities to my
kids running around like that.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well we're on the east you're.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
On the east coast, up west coast, guy. But it's
it's the idea of, like, if there's an opportunity to watch,
I do. But the numbers would suggest it, right. Attendance
is up in a lot of places. I think it's
helped by the fact that a lot of normal also
ran cities are now participating in a big way. I mean,
look at Baltimore, look at what they have built, the
(13:36):
young guys that have been called up, and the farm
system that they now have in place. It's it's really
a huge turnaround. Whether you like or dislike the ownership there.
Right now, they've got some of the most exciting young
players in the game and they're there and they're chasing
down the Rays and it's gonna be a fun the
second half. See if they can add another piece. Are
they willing to get rid of one of the guys
(13:58):
in the farm cis them? Pittsburgh had a good run
early in the season. We look at weather patterns or whatever.
We've had some some disappointments, but overall attendance is up.
I gotta think that the the quicker games has something
to do with that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It does. It does, but Mike, it will never get
to where it needs to be. You want to grow.
It needs to be, well, that's obvious. What needs to be.
You need to have a split season because when when
the Mets are eighteen and a half games out of
first and they're in New York, when you have teams
that are the Cardinals in last place eleven and a
half games out of first, so you have a split season.
(14:33):
Another opening day. Another another Pennant race.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You would have brought up two examples, one where a
guy spent money terribly right and got well, there's another one, right,
so take them too. And then they talk about have
a bad season. Oh no, if.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You have a split season, more people would be interested
and all invested. When you're telling me it's week what
now ninety Ah, you know I still got like seventy
more games left or something like that. You know, if
you have the you need to have the split season
to get everybody back in.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, but there worked once, doesn't mean it's something you didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It didn't really work. The Reds at the best record
in baseball. They didn't go.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, but just based on their split obviously, right cumulative,
it didn't work. But you get my point, right, and right, generally,
if the team stinks, I don't care if you split
it in half. But you're still gonna stink.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, but you never know, but you do some more tickets.
But now it's a fresh start, another opening day. It's
in the summer instead of cold April.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More people already make opening Day three weeks long.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Anyway, Yeah, that's true, that that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You're right, So Yeah, let's add another three.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's rolling opener, you're a home opener, you're away opener.
It's everything out there.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
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Speaker 3 (16:34):
Everyone.
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Speaker 2 (17:11):
Of the evening, and now he continued in Major League
Baseball Arnie, not all Star related, but Hall of Fame,
talk about the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry. In just
a couple of weeks we will have the next level
of enshrinement and all that greatness that comes through all
the speeches and all the luminaries getting back together. I've
had the good fortune of being in Cooperstown a couple
(17:33):
of times when I lived in upstate New York during
Induction week and meeting some of the old timers as
they all were called, coming back autograph signings, meet and
greets and whatever. And there's a special place for it.
A guy that's been excluded and there is no plaque,
there is no sunshine in him for Cooperstown right now
has been Barry Bonds. Yeah, last and year of eligibility
(17:56):
was last year and still on the outside looking in.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
You don't ready. Do you know how much votes he
got last year by any chance.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The twenty twenty two Hall of Fame, because I don't
think he even came close. No, I think it was
ways away. But it's one of those that we chuckle
and I stopped paying attention after a while, like you
guys all you're terrible, But it's it is what it is.
Twenty twenty two, he actually got up to sixty six percent.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Oh that's more than I thought I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
The I know he was in the fifties for quite
a while, So he got up to sixty six percent,
Roger Clemens to sixty five. Then you had Roland gets
in right eventually, and then you had Kurt Schilling was
what fifty eight point six right? So for bonds as
we go through, and that was the class of twenty
(18:47):
twenty two. For twenty twenty three voting, you're you're looking
at basically the same level. But it's the idea that
you've kept him out. You got to love that you
try to do this live and in living color on
the air, because you asked the the hard questions right
(19:09):
as it were. But it's it's the idea that Bonds
has left out. We've seen so many of his contempt
but he's always left out of getting.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Look who the people that vote Mike. I would like
to see a different age group and a different different
type of voters, maybe, you know, more diverse, because I
think he should be in. You know, I hate holding
this grudge against him. We've let other people in the
Hall of Fame that have had the similar issues. He's
(19:38):
just not liked and that's the problem. He's not a
guy that you know you're gonna feel for and you
want to get him into the Hall of Fame. But
based on his talents, that's exactly where he should be.
So yeah, So I think it's ridiculous we've waited this long.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, his last year was on it wasn't the sixty
six percent. This year you look at Scott Rowland was
able to across the threshold at seventy six percent, you know,
barely makes it in the seventy five percent, Todd Helton
at seventy two percent, Billy Wagner at sixty eight percent,
and then you get down to Andrew Jones, Gary Sheffield
(20:13):
sitting at fifty five percent, another guy that I'd love
to hear some of the rationale that goes through in
terms of people voting in but for Barry Bonds. He
took to a podcast to plead and kind of make
make his explanation known. It was the Hollywood Swinging Podcast
Stephen Bishop Jerry Harriston Junior talking about where he's at
(20:37):
in the process of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Yeah, doesn't bother you. Sure here I'm human.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You know, I'm not some walls sitting over here don't care.
Sure it bothers, it bothers you. But at the same time,
I also don't know who man. And you know, the
thing is is that people have to understand something. Is
that the fact of is that I was vindicated. I
went to the court, I was in federal court and
I won my case. One percent. Where is the vindications
(21:06):
of me? Amound sport? That's what bothers me?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now, so he's.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
One hundred percent right by the way, I'm gonna say,
he's never been suspended for anything like that. But you
know what, if he wanted to get any why doesn't
he go on shows? Why didn't go on with Colin
or Dan Patrick? Why do they go on name people
to make his case? You know, does he feel like
he didn't have to? Is he goes too big to
do that? If he would have done that?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Maybe, But some of it is how much is campaigning
going to get you over a lot? Maybe? Maybe, but
you're gonna have to answer some hard questions along the
way because people it's gonna be tough to change their
minds along the way.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And that little clip right there, I think would have
changed some voters' minds.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well maybe, but we're also talking about different times. Right,
You've got analytics comes in and you're talking about how
great he was, but there's still the speculation and there
are certain players.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You can't somebody out for speculation.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, but isn't that what they've kind of done here? Right? Well,
you're talking about but yeah, well but that's the other part, right,
is that you've got plenty of folks that have gotten
in where the eyebrow raises as soon as their names
are mentioned, right, the casting of a spursion to anybody
that was running around in Texas for a while and
played alongside Conseco and Paul Mayrow and those guys. Right,
(22:28):
Bonds did appear on the Contemporary Era Committee ballot last December,
once again you need seventy five percent, So he got
fewer than twelve of the sixteen votes. Seven hundred sixty
two career home runs, obviously the monster seventy three home
run season seven MVP Awards, and you still thought enough
even with speculation around, Right, Wow, this guy looks different,
(22:51):
It feels different, all these things, right, because if you're
gonna go down that road, there are again plenty of
guys who've now gotten into the Hall of Fame from
that era that I think a lot of the same
questions were being asked. The fact that Bonds wasn't how
should we say, well liked, I think is the kind
way to write it. Right, It wasn't always the best
with reporters whatever that goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It shouldn't though, But what you do on the feet.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And it's humanity, right, it's human nature. If you got
snubbed for.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It, you're not doing a job, Mike, Then you're not
doing your job.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Called into question the voting populace of these things for
a very long time, right right, And our buddy Rob Parker,
who does the show in front of us, always says, well,
he won the MVPs, or Clemens won the cy youngs.
So how you get how come you have half of
your voting populace decides that they're not worthy because of speculation.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, but could you imagine if I was voting in
the like college Football Top twenty five, and I moved
Alabama dabas I didn't like Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Your sid would be voting anyway, So exactly, but can you.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Imagine if we did something like that, we'd be hell
a you.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Know, well, or you leave Nicola Jokic, you off your
MVP ballot? Yeah, oh wait, yeah, but you know, to
my like, Bonds has always been a Hall of Famer
and I'm not even going to the he had two
Hall of Fame careers if you want to go down
that road. But in the end, as he said in
court and all these other things, you prove nothing you
(24:22):
could speculate, you can tie. You can also talk about
how the rules were changed. Right, there was the implicit
don't do this, that or the other, but it wasn't
explicit policies that came into place after.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
The fact, and I think it helped you more heal
than hit a baseball, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, but that's that's the other side, right, It is
it's a really uh slippery slope that we've always had
with this stuff. And in the end, I'm not saying
let's all be cartoon characters, although you know, hey, if
it's going to get all my stars back on the field,
I really don't care. You know, there's risks. But that's
(24:59):
the other thing, right.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
If I told you right now, I'm sorry, But if
I told you that you can get Aaron Judge back
on the field in a week if he took performance
enhancing drugs or he's gonna miss the rest of the year,
you know which way are we voting? Was they take
the beat, they get it back on the field.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, well, but that but that's what comes down
to it, though, Arnie. You're always building a bigger, better
mouse trap, and you know, trying trying to fight the
chemicals and fight the labs. But when it comes down
to these kind of measures as you go through where
we have supplements and he had to change the supplements,
(25:35):
right because you've decided to outlaw this that the other
uh that you were they were using for all these years. Uh,
And then you're getting back back on the field, right,
that's the ultimate thing. So is and maybe it's a
specious argument, but let's for the for the sake of
love of the game. Uh, just talk to it, like,
all right, when you go train in Colorado, should you
(25:58):
be allowed to do that? If you don't, if you're
not in Colorado? Well, because I mean, now you're you're
talking about your lung capacity and working at high altitudes.
But that's my point though, is that not performance enhancing?
Not really, it's not helping your performance to go train
in that altitude.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But everybody else to go do the same thing to you, Mike.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As they do go to the bottle or the juice.
Like I said, you could say it's a specious argument,
but my point being that we encourage all sorts of
other things for performance enhancement, and here you have something
that could not only maybe help you be bigger, faster, stronger,
but also get you back on the field.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, you could say the same thing with like a
rosenbag that helps you with your performance.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Right, but right, But you have your rules along the way,
and you adapt as you do. And the rules that
were later added to Major League Baseball, I don't think
you apply them retroactively because you didn't like a guy. No,
you suspected him of things.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, the speculation is the part that bothers me. But
I really would love to see Bonds, you know, go
on with like a colin and just you know, let's
just get at it, man. Let him ask the tough
questions and let's see how Bonds answers it. Let him be,
let him answer it like he did that one. Let's
you know, let him. Let him get back in front
of people so we know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know, now in the end, you're either going to
vote for him or you're not. I don't I don't
know how much him talking is gonna sway because you're
now looking at committees.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It's like a jury.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can sit there, but they're the same people that
have been you know, judge, jury and execution around you
for this whole period. You know, the sanctity he get
a Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there were younger voters in their thirties.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Perhaps, Look, I always also argue this or any when
it's all said and done, it's a museum. Yeah, it's
a museum. It's an entertainment vehicle. I remember the last time,
and it's been a couple of years since I've been
able to get back. But the last time I was
there awful lot of images of Pete and memorabilia. Pete
Rose lining the hallways. Doesn't have a plaque. But here,
(28:05):
let's showcase the history of the game with the all
time hit leader at every corner.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I can't believe I'm so close to the Baseball Hall
of Fame and I've not. I've been to the Hockey
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You've never been to the Baseball Hall of Fame. No,
and you and you were the one going in here
right yelling us a USA to start the show. And
how dare you?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I know, how Darry? What is wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
We talked about Webb Yama and you did your xenophobic
thing that you did. Oh that USA, USA? And yeah,
I've been to you know, mom apple Pie even bothered?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
No, I have not bothered. And I've just driven through
Cooper's down. I'm not bothered.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I dare you?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I should should check it out then put it on
my list.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's it, You're off the list.
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