July 18, 2023 • 37 mins
In Hour 1 of tonight’s edition of the Jason Smith Show, guest hosts Martin Weiss and Veejay Huskey react to the multiple running backs across the NFL who have come out and expressed their displeasure with the lack of stable contracts. The guys take calls from listeners who offer their opinions on the RB landscape, and the guys talk DeAndre Hopkins’ new deal with the Titans and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's right, Jason Smith and his best friend Mike Harmon
have the day off today. But I'm in here me Marin,
why's joined here with my work as so shit.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I was waiting to see.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
I was waiting to see if he was going to
throw shade to start the show and say best friend
or not my best friend or whatever.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
We're not best friend, so we don't We don't have
to lie, we don't have to make it up. But
let's work associate it. Don't kind of ask me like
on the bottom of a run, bro, damn co working.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'll just say this though. I'll just say like the
way that they say best.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Friend makes me feel like sometimes his tongue in cheek. Maybe,
just maybe there's a joke inside there.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
You know what I'm saying that, although I don't know
how you do it, today are doing out standing as always.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Is so good to be sitting in for the great
Jason Smith and his best friend Mike Harmer with my
co hosts that we do Saturdays here man, my man,
Martin White.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So so what you scrapper, I'm doing well.
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Seger just alluded to in his update.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I mean, it's almost like the guy's got the rundown,
go figure it now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But Tony Pollard, Say Kwon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, all of
whom did not receive long term deals. And by long term,
I mean we're talking anything past to look anything anything year.
So I say long term maybe like midterm, you know
what I'm saying, just a little bit longer than short
term deals on the one year franchise tags that are
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now available to them.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Sakuon Josh Jacobs have not signed there as Tony Poler did.
That's probably what happens when you break your fibula in
the playoffs. You're gonna go ahead and get.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
That Yeah, go ahead, us off of that ten mil.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Go ahead and get that year taking care of But
VJ if I said it once, I said it again,
it's a farce. Fall salary cap in the NFL for
running backs right now and for whatever reason, like in
all other sports, in almost every other position, the top
fifteen and ten percent of the top, you know, ten
to fifteen percent, that the cream of the crop, the
best of the best. It's really hard for them to
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get with the money that they have earned in terms
of the production that they that they've put out there.
You look at it, Josh Jacobs was the top the
Raiders and almost everything that mattered.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, you look at top the league. Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm just even just in their individual teams, the teams,
just their teams, the output of their teams, like you know,
so and then when you put it to the rest
of the league, it's really like, Oh my goodness, what's
going going on here? But that's the NFL that we're
in right now today. I know, me and VJ. We're
gonna sit here. We're gonna try to solve problems today, folks.
(03:09):
Everybody else is gonna take you just gotta pay him
because you got to.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I have a solution potentially that may just maybe everybody
could get along with to try to get your running
backs paid.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
We'll get to that in just the moment. But VEJ first,
your thoughts here. It's crazy, it really is. Josh Jacobs
is the first guy that comes to my mind when
I think about a guy that played all seventeen games
for the Raiders last year.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
This is a two time pro baller. He was an
All Pro before.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Sixteen fifty three with twelve touchdowns and five yards per
on three hundred and forty carries. I'm trying to figure
out how you can at least get that guy to
SA Kwan won him a little like he did have
the injury, but he did come back and showed good
face last year and was kicking ass like he was
balling hardcore last year. So I'm kind of figuring out
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what they're doing there. But we saw this come in
on our show. When Daniel Jones got forty mil for
fifteen touchdown passes, I said, okay, well, something's gotta happen
with Saquon. I'd attagged a quarterback. Possibly he's the guy
that's probably not gonna sit out of camp because he's
still trying to prove itself. Say, Kuan's a running back,
he's got to get his money. It's just crazy when
you go down the list, you look at Austin Eckler,
where the Charger said, you know what, buddy, we're gonna
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show good faith to you, go ahead and test reagency Goad.
He went weeks months and everybody had an opportunity to
sign him, and nobody did it. A guy that's nine
hundred yards plus on the ground, seven hundred yards plus
through the air last year for the Chargers offense, he
can't get paid. But just look at this running back
off season, Joe Mixon. He took a pay cut, Aaron
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Jones took a pay cut, Dalvin Cook was cut, Leonard
Fournette was cut, zekea Elliot's cut. Does anybody even remember
that Kareem Hunt is still a free agent right now?
And has not signed with a football franchise in the NFL.
It's just crazy. But this is I mean, this is
just where we are right now. They don't want to
pay running backs. The running back position has been devalued tremendously.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I'm very interested in to hear your solution that you
don't even that hour later, But I wonder see.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
What you got about?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The running back market is devalue like this real estate
in the hood.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's like, all right, what are we like? What like?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
The running back market is devalued?
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Like what.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
How is it that the I mean, look, if you
look across the league in the last ten years, quarterback
average annual salary gone up, offensive line average annual salary
gone up, defensive line average annual salary gone up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Every average annual salary is gone up.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
But the running back and so like, what, well, it's
just the constant, the idea that you can sit here
and cobble together production out of other places.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And if I gotta here one more person, tell me that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Oh, you know, the Chiefs got Isiah pa Checko with
the seventh round, and you know what, they won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it don't. But
here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
They also got Patrick Mahomes with the eleventh four years prior,
five years prior.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
When you have capital T, capitol D that guy at quarterback,
then sure maybe you can run your running back as
by committee.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Just run.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm on like Harris, I want one ride in and
throw a quarter in there, pick up another one in
the fifth round. But the idea that like the Giants
aren't paying Taquon Barkley, like like, I mean, you saw
what Daniel Jones did last year and said, you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Know what, that's the reason why we want to turn football.
That's forty million dollars, right, that's the reason why we
want to turn the football games.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So we just accept the fact that quarterbacks are supposed
to quote unquote reset the market.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Meanwhile, a running back like Saquon the reports.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Have you seen the reports about Saquon and how close
they were on the contract.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, essentially they were offering him to keep you know,
just to keep it in line and keep it easy
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It was what it was gonna be something like ten
million this year, ten million next year, twenty something guaranteed
he makes more money getting tagged. Yeah, how is that
standard of business in the NFL where it's more or
he's gonna be in super inscented bys to get tagged.
First of all, a guy who has been a guy
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who if you played cornerback or safety or something like that,
or was a wide receiver, there'd be no question.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You want him to be a cornerstorm part of your franchise. Right.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But because of the position that he plays, we have
to question whether or not this is gonna be a
good decision. Yeah, And that's because the wear and tear
on running backs and the way things went down with
the Todd Gurley. Dale also said the other day that
I felt like this in the NFL is a copycat league.
We know that it's the biggest copycat league that the
good Lord upstairs has ever created. And when you have
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teams like the Patriots, franchise like the Patriots that were
able to kind of honestly and once again to your point, yeah,
everybody doesn't have a Tom Brady, but I guarantee you
there are offensive coordinator's, head coaches and gems around the
league that think we don't need Brady, we just need
a service or quarterback, some receivers, and we can get
a running back.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Like, we can get a guy, and we can find
a guy to running football because we've seen teams win
super Bowls and championships that do so. I don't think
personally that's a great formula because I'm all about football
one oh one. It starts with run the football, stop
the run. That's that's football. You'll win a lot of
games if you can run the football. You can stop
the run. You run the football a little more effectively
(08:17):
in my opinion, when you gotta workhorse back a guy
you can hand it to twenty two to twenty five
times a Sunday, three hundred and forty plus times a year.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
That's to me as a workers.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You look at a guy like Eric Digerson three years
in his career, like three of his first four years
in his career he had over three hundred and eighty carries,
like those days are just gone and he ain't get
hurt in the one year he ran for two thousand yards.
This this idea that you know you can't pay him,
I honestly do feel Mark. Now I might push back
a little bit on the your your opinion of the
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running back is being devalued. It has been devalued because
we've seen guys get hurt and go down in the analytics,
which I hate.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I hate I call you.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Know me dorkisms, the neudisms and sports I hate all
that analytics stuff that has seeped into the NFL. Well,
it does show if you run your running back this
many times or the average you know, career span for
a running back. I don't buy that when you find
a special guy, but then somebody buys a special thing
about that.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
The whole analytics creeping in to the league and so on.
And I'm not an anti analytics guy. I understand percentages.
In fact, I gamble every day and so like. That
is part of the reason why I am for sure
pro analytics. However, the big thing about analytics is you
have to account for the fact that there are human
beings doing it, all right, there are no perfect human beings.
(09:39):
You are not operating on a spreadsheet. You are operating
on a football field, the grid iron, okay, not the
grid lock of a spreadsheet. All right, So the thing,
but it drives me crazy to hear the cap like, Okay,
the NFL is a copycat league.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So hmm, all right, let's who was in the AFS.
Who's been in the championship the last few years.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
AFC been one of the most successful team last five
six years, Kansas City. Okay, all right, we have seen
things out of Patrick Mahomes and his first five years
that right now, he is a Hall of Famer, right, Like,
just the success that he is out of the first
five years.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You can laugh all you want, but you can do that.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
The only thing if he retired right now, the only
question people would have is the longevity.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then I bet they would point back to all
a lot of other quarterbacks who are in the Hall
of Fame and be like, I don't give a dim
about his longevity because he won more than five years
than some of these guys won in fifteen, Right, But
they don't grow on trees. We talk about how running
backs are expendable, Well maybe, just maybe it's because you
(10:52):
are paying guys like Daniel Jones or Derek Carr or whoever,
Jimmy Garoppolo all this money. They are at best and
average positional player at that spot.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
What happens is we'll go where you're messing up here.
It's not about paying. I don't think anybody's crying that
Miles Sanders didn't get you know, or reset the market.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, we're talking about the guys who were leading.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
You know what I'm saying, some of the guys who
were leading the league in rushing, and they were the offense.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You know what I'm saying, Like Joe Mixon, that's a
tough one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I get it. Hey, he said, I don't want a jersey,
But you know what he also sees on the farizon.
You got Jamar Chase over there, see Higgins over there,
Tyler Boyd, Joe Burrow, and also, not to mention, Joe
Burrow's been sacked half a quadrillion times since he walked
in the NFL. So they gonna have to spend some
money on the offensive line, and that's just the defense.
He looked around the landscape and said, you know what, well,
(11:46):
just spread this eight million out over the next two
years so I can have a shot to win the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Right like that? I get that.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
But also again, Joe Burrow has been in the AFC
Championship Game twice in the.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Four years he's been a starter.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Like in one year he got hurt and missed majority
of the season with the AC so they three years healthy,
pretty much three years healthy. There you go, two times
he's an AFC Championship game. Something else to that I
think happened with these contracts. Receivers started getting absorberle just.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Just sorry, not I want to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But it's an answering to this point because you said
it's been this de incentivized the running back market. Nobody
cries with Kenny Galladay signs for like fifteen million dollars
and you know what I'm saying, Nobody like Austin Actus
point the other day was perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
How am I making less than a third wide receiver?
And you know what the analytics thing and also does
it gives people an excuse to be bad team builders.
It gives you an excuse to miss out on things.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It really does because when when when the GM tennessee
when he when he trades AJ Brown, people are looking
at it like, oh man, you know this might work
out because we drafted trailing Burke, so this might work out.
We don't want to pay AJ Brown at twenty six
years old. You know who had no issue with it? Yep,
(13:03):
don't runner up and the dog on Super Bowl. Nope,
not at all. Also to this, I looked up and
this was kind of really crazy. So the top level
with running backs you're trying to get is about ten
million a year. Right, there are some receivers I looked
up and to Austin Eckler's point, that are making like twelve, fifteen, seventeen,
twenty million. Valdez Scantley, Tyler, Lockett, McClaren, Christian Kirk, Hunter
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Renfro sudden.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Right there, checking Moore. Their Hunter Renfro. Yeah, Hunter runs out. Yeah,
they're on the same team. He scored what left to
five touchdowns last year. He had more touchdowns and fumble.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It was her. It was her.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You're telling me you're paying Hunter Renfro, if you're the Raiders,
you're paying Hunter Renfro more than you're paying the league
leading's rusher. And you don't even you're not even really
settled at the quarterback position this year. And that's why
I thought he was the guy that jumped out to
me that said, Okay, I get what's going on, because
I understand the NFL, I understand the business of it.
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But if there's one guy that makes me side on you, like, Okay,
y'all wilding right now, that's the Raiders with Josh Jacobs,
because he's a guy that's proven, and you ain't drafted
a kid out of Georgia to come in and try
to take his place. He was like, ah, record, scratch,
hold up, he didn't remember. They drafted the kid out
of Georgia and they put him on notice and what
did you do? Just like the league in Russian touchdowns,
I mean, he's your offense. You're not yourself with the
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quarterback position. You're paying Hunter Renfro more than you're paying
Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
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Speaker 4 (14:32):
And VJ over here.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Let us know what you think about the news of
the day, the running back market and the whole no
franchise tags. And apparently Josh Jacobs was sitting in the
parking lot waiting for his deal to get done. It
was that close, which doesn't say anything about close he
was at all.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
He was about fifteen hundred feet. That's all close he was.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
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Speaker 4 (15:33):
It's tough if you want to be at running back
these days in.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
The NFL, but I tell you what, it's almost tougher
to be an NFL fan on Twitter because somebody is
running back takes EJ.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I know this is normally your section of.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
The radio, but I mean, Lord, have mercy, it's been
horrible out there.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
One thing that I have to say if you think.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
That your kid is in high school right and has
a shot at the NFL and he's playing running back,
should probably stick him at running back.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, you know how hard it is to play other positions.
He's really good at that one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Right, In three to five years, this whole thing will
reset a little bit, because right now, guys like Tony
Pollard and Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley are all in
the same conversation, right, and I think no shade to
Josh Jacob, mean, no shade to Tony Pollard, but there's
a delineation there, Yeah, of course, but of course.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, like the idea that you would tell your kid
not to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Play running back, I'm sorry, Cadillac. Williams rushed for like
a half.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A million yards at Auburn, and you know what he did,
walked right back in saying Aubard after that, Like, you
can make a hell of a career as a running back.
But eight seven seven nine nine six six three six ' nine.
How do you feel about the running back contracts right now?
Do you feel like Josh Jacobs, Sakwan should have gotten
paid long term? Tony Pollard, whoever? You think this is
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a good thing that running backs aren't getting paid.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
VJ.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Your opinion on the matter, where you got right? Where
are you on this? I feel it, man, I really do.
You said it yourself. It'll reset because we spoke about
this the other day. This used to be the tight ends.
Remember when Jimmy Graham wanted to be paid as a
receiver because he basically was a receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He was just the tight end.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
The te was next to his name, and he got
paid like a receiver eventually, and then it kind of
reset the market for all the tight ends because the
league started. You get Andrews, you get Kelsey, you get
a lot of these other big time, big name tight
ends that are super productive for their team. One hundred catches.
Andrews has done it, Kelsey's done a thousand yards receiving.
Both of those guys have done it also to double
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digit touchdowns, So it reset it. I do think that
this will be reset sooner or later because we were
just talking during the break and you're not a fan
of copycat league that phrase, and I told you I
don't agree with it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I think it's wrong to do.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I think you should do what your franchise needs you
to do for your franchise. You may be able to
look at maybe a scheme that another coach is running,
or another team is doing, or something like that, but
to try to turn the lead to Okay, this is
what we're all gonna do. We're all not gonna pay
running backs. You're only hurting yourself. Because if I got
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a back that I feel like I want to pay,
and I feel like he's a guy that can get
me to the conference championship. And then once you get there.
We've seen on Championship Sunday, anything, any flag, any late
push out of bounds can send you home or send
you to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And if you got a running back that can help
you do that.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Dalvin Cook is another guy that we haven't mentioned that
is out there, and you know what I mean, diehard
lifelong Dolphin fan. And at first I was really excited
that he wants to play in Miami. He's down in
South Florida. That's where he lives though. So he's tweeting
pictures from his camp and is his Pop Warner team
down there and stuff like that, and everybody's always in Miami.
He's gonna sign there. Well, first of all, is where
he's from and that's where he lives. If everybody knows,
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there's no secret he wants to play there. But he
has a deal on the table. Bloomer SI used to
put out the other day. He's got a seven million
dollar offer on the table right now from Minnesota, from
the Vikings that cut him. There's no number that's been
thrown out for the Dolphins. I told you about a
month ago. If I was Miami and I feel like
that tools ready, tools healthy, you have all these other weapons,
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Vangion defense, Ramsey, the defense should come up with rate
sixteenth in the league last year. And if I felt
like that he was the one piece that could put
our team over the top. Two years guaranteed twenty mil
fully guaranteed. That's ten million year, and you just you
have the money you had to sit. You cut Byron
Jones on June Force first, just do it and if
it doesn't work out, okay, But to not do it
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because you don't like the number and you need a stationary,
every down, three down back.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I like Wilson Jr. I like Mosser.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Can anybody out here really call them a legitimate bona
fide three down running back? They're both fast, kind of
utility guys that you can run with. But we're so
much better if you got Dalvin Cook to start the
game and then you can add those guys in. So
I feel and understand where it is right now. I
do think it'll change, and you know, we'll have to see, man.
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But let's go to the callers. We got some callers
coming in right now. Are you gonna read that all?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Martin? I got your will playing Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You're on Fox Sports Radio the Jason Slid Show with
Mike Harmon, Martin and VJ filling in Will.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
What's your take? Pal? What you got?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Guys?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
I'll have to say that a team like the Giants
has to find a way to compete and play football
and produce that product just like other teams that win.
And no, they're not the Chiefs. So I wouldn't expect
the Chiefs right to go out and pay, you know,
a high premium for a runner back. They don't, they
don't have it in their system. But the Giants, that's
not their team. So yes, I think that they need
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to get that need to get that deal done because
without without say Kuan, they don't win. There's no formula
that goes forward where he's not with that team that
they're looking at any three to five year outlook, that's
more than you know, relegated to being hopefully better than
the Redskins without say qual.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, and well, you're absolutely right and thanks for the call.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
You're absolutely right in that because it's just, you know,
the Giants had more success last year. They've had it
like ten years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Since o'doll, they fired their coach, they traded over.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Since O'Dell, since O'Dell made that catch, the Giants had
the best success they've had since then. Brandon Carr has
been out the league. That's a guy who've defended. Don't
theell Beckham on that flood? You know what I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Been that long.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You want to talk about messing.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Up the vibes? Who also to a number I threw
out the other day. I just love this number. Barkley
and Jones on the field. When they were in the
field together, Jones touched down the interceptions forty one seventeen
with a ninety one QBR rating.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
When they're not on.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
The field together and it's just Jones out there, sixteen
touchdowns seventeen interceptions. I mean there it is QBRS at
seventy seven point three.
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Speaker 5 (21:56):
You'll hear this phrase across the board over the next
few weeks. It's a copycat league, and I just wanted like,
first of all, you know it's some milliguized We have
a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I want to challenge all the listeners here.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
When you hear something repeated over and over and over
again in sports and sports, let's why, Just ask why?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Right? So here it's a copycat league.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Why is it accepted that you see one team do
one thing to win and then the rest of everybody
else jumps on the same boat. When the whole point,
pardon me, the whole point is to win, to beat
your competition.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So what you are saying when you say it's a
copycat league, is you are saying that the best strategy
to win is to try and copy what the other
team just kicked her ash doing, as opposed to finding
out a way to try to stop how the other
team kicked.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't know, VJ. We on one thing, that's really
hard to do score in football. If you don't have
the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
It makes it much easier to possess the ball for
longer period of time if you got a running back
who could get four yards to carry. What I think
also happened too, is we're in the generation of you.
You're a big coordinator guy. You love to watch coordinators
go to different teams and stuff. I like coordinators too,
not as not as much as a lot of people
other football fans do. But another thing that's happened with
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this league. We are in the era now of this
flux of coordinators that have become head coaches from I
e U. Let's let's look at the Shanahan tree, and
you know, we look at Andy Reid's tree, his coaching tree.
And what happens is these teams and these coordinators, they
do take systems, and they do take what they were
doing and then that last place and try to bring
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it to their place.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Not just schematically.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think that this happens also too roster wise and
philosophy will.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
How often do you hear a defensive coordinators saying, Oh,
we have to to cut this outside linebacker because he
can't cover in my system.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm sure it happens, but I don't think
it gets airplay. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it
happens if you're a long backer. Shady mccoigber shy Coy
got traded for kick Ko Alonzo. Yeah, because he didn't
fit the running style.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
At that question, it's just like, well, maybe your running
style is wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
He should change the running style. You should change the
running style. Well, like I said, I'm a firm believer.
You do what your franchise needs you to do. You know,
I'm not really worried about copying anybody. You could take
little pieces of things. You can grab a play here
or a scheme here, But when it comes to the
meets and bones of your squad and meets some bones
of your franchise, you have to do what works for
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your team. The car that just called in for Wisconsin
made a great point about the Giants. You can't win
without sa Kwon Barkley. I don't know what you can't win, Yeah,
I don't. I don't care what.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Brian Dable thinks he's got cooked up his sleeve or
what he thinks.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
He's clever enough, and it's not him he's not the
guy controlling the contracts and stuff. But I do know
some coaches have the power to go knock on the
GM's doing and go, hey, listen. And I know it's
none of my business this, but it is kind of
my business because you guys will fire me in a
year or two that if this guy doesn't end up
playing for us and we end up going eight and
nine and then seven and ten, I know you guys
will fire me in two years. Playoff, yeah, off a
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playoff win, not just so going in Minnesota and winning.
If we go a and nine and seven and ten,
you'll fire me that that third season, which would be
his fourth year there. Right, he's got a four or
five year deal. You'll fire me. And but we won't
go seven and ten or eight and to nine. If
you guys fixed this over here with the running back
with the say QUANTITYA yeah, we need him.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
VJ just put the numbers out when they Jose's on
the field with him as opposed to win. He's not
on the field with him. So I, like I said,
I do believe in copycat. I don't think it's right
and I don't agree with it because we don't see
it really work. There's a reason why the Chiefs are
what is it the AFC Invitational now pretty much as
far as essentially the AFC Championship Game. And I know
(25:55):
they have mahomes, but at the end of the day,
they still do them because they have Andy Reid. And
if you're trying to copy what the Chiefs do, okay,
good luck that that's probably not gonna work.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The Patriots.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
For so long, the Bengals have been a two or
three AFC Championship games. The Bills have made long playoff runs.
Everybody else in the NFL is still like trying to fiit.
I think the Eagles are solid in the NFC, but
everybody else in the NFC, namely who the Eagles are
playing in the conference championship game.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
San Francisco. Party's gonna be back, and he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Do that same thing he did last year when nobody's
got tape on him, nobody's got film on it. Let's
be real. Let's be real about Brock Party for just
a second. You know what Rock Purty did. Yeah, Christ
McCaffrey is running back, all right, I'll find all right.
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Speaker 4 (26:52):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Man with you?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Thanks you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Hey, I'm chilling man, you know, you know, I got
to disagree a little bit on this, man, Like I'm
get with y'all.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Fan.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The running backs are an undervalue position. But how many
titles do CJ two K win? How many titles is
Derrick Henry stacking up right now?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Man?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
They take up so much of the salary path, and
it's just a position where you can't trust them to
be healthy all year long because they're taking those tits.
Look having to say Quan last year. And when you
got teams like you know, Vanilla just mentioned it, When
you got teams like the Chiefs and the New England
Patriots who put together dynasties with a rotating door running back,
it's hard to ignore that, man. And with positions like
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the quarterback position, where it's a scarcity at that position,
whereas with running backs they're a diamond, doesn't man. I
hate to say it as much as we like to
say the checko wasn't a common thing. You see guys
always coming in there, swooping in whenever they get the
chance of putting up big numbers, especially for teams with
established coaching departments like the like the Eagles, like the Patriots,
(27:49):
like the Kansas City Chiefs. I can't even name you
with a certain running back. Whatk for the Eagle last year?
That's how wild it was.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Mile. What's the point showing that you're making in Carolina,
established quarterbacks, established coaching staffs, right?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That all right?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
If you want to, if you have a strategy in
that regard, okay, cool. But the thing that people seem
to forget to remember is one simple fact.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Everybody talks to Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Derrick Henry had the Titans in the AFC Championship Game
a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Patrick Mahomes beat them, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then they have won the division several times with
Derreck Henry, with the guy Ryan Tannehill playing quarterback who
was a converted wi remat they're so sick of Ryan
Tannehill a quarterback. They have spent two first third, first
three round picks right the first the second round pick what.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Was the levis what It Loves, finished up the second
round pick, second.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Round pick, and in the third round pick in the
last two years on a quarterback. Okay, like that's where
they're at, But you know what they're not through.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I mean, I think they took Asan Haskins, but Derrick
Henry has been the lifeblood of that team for so
long that it's just like I don't understand the logic,
Like I get it. If you won't want to pay
the backup the day Derek Henry, that's something different in time.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
But they also remember this great call to man. But
they also toyed and flirted into the idea out there
of trading Derrick Henry because they believe probably Hassan Haskins
Michigan can do the job. Now, he ain't gonna do
the job that King Derek is doing it King Henry's doing,
He's not gonna do that job, but they feel like
he can do the job. I kind of feel what
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he's saying, and that's why I use the Patriots, And
I used Pacha Goo as my example, because the teams
that are that are really kicking ass in the league
and beating everybody, and you know they're they're building dynasties.
They are doing it at a revolving door at the
running back position. I did mention the other day with
the Patriots and and uh Corey Dillon, but that's over
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Point is that everybody just seems to ignore it's not
a revolving door quarterback. That's the point.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You have these dynasties.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
You look, okay, quarterback, all right, because you have to
have that guy at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
All right, Levy.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Ibell wants to sit out, Well, I don't know. Ben
Roethlisberger will be skating into the Hall of Fame. Tom
Brady will be skating.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Into the Hall of Fame. Patrick Mahomes skating into the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Jalen Hurts had an MVP type here last year. Right,
If he keeps that up for the next six seven years.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
He right there will be in the conversation as best
quarterbacks off the decade.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Running back door.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Kay, yeah, but you got a quarterback but but but
but but you you're moving on from Derek Carter to
go to Jimmy Garoppolo, whose foot may or may not
even work.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
All right, I'm sorry, it's just it's hiving.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Who's the back up there? Who's the bat? Who's the
back Bryan freaking Hoyer. It's wow, Wow, that's Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
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no news in the franchise tag discussion.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You weren't getting the long.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Term deal pal, And like I said last Saturday, Joe
Mixon said, he looked at the market and said, man,
I just want a jersey. Let's extend this deal out
a few years and can keep me on the squad.
That's where we are right now. The state are running
backs in the NFL. But I just it drives me
crazy because I just feel like, hey, unless you have
an elite quarterback, you probably shouldn't pay him like it.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And we just exactly we just accept.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They're like, you know, hey, Derek Hard, Daniel doon'es, you're
gonna make this big money. And then we wonder why
running backs are like, hey man, this isn't fair. Cliff
in Kentucky, you're on Fox Sports Radio. What you got you?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Here's my deal?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
And maybe I'm wrong, but if you take a look
at all the Super Bowl winning teams, they all had
a running back who did something to keep a drive going.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
To this morning, touchdown when needed.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
He got Walter Payton. You got Marshawn Lynch, you got
Jerome Bennis, you got Roger Craig, you got Frank O'harris,
Rocky Blyer, all those guys. How can you tell me
that the league has changed out much where you don't
need a running back. If that's the case, why I
haven't it all get you a couple of extra linemen
(32:50):
and throws them backyard just to protect the quarterback. It
just don't make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Hey, listen, I like the list you just gave, but
you and I'm not gonna knock them. But these are
that's the Those are all guys that have played and
all retired, and some of I grew up wanting to
be Walter Payon. I had goggles and I didn't even
need I didn't even have prescription goggles. I my mom
buy me some fake guys because I want to look
like Eric Dickerson when I played football. I'm with you, brother,
and I believe that football should go back to that.
(33:17):
But to the Carlor from Wisconsin. From Sacramento's point, we
have in this era that we're in right now, we
have seen a turnstyle at the running back position for
championship teams. The Patriots have been there so many times
the last twenty years. The Chiefs are now the standard
in the NFL. They've been to two Super Bowls, They've
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been to four straight AFC championship games. We're talking about Cincinnati, right,
Joe Mixon. Now, I believe Joe Mixon is a top
tier running back. But even Joe Mixon was on his
way off door if he didn't take a pay cut
because they have Josh Burrow, Joe Burrow, excuse me, they
have three dominant receivers, they have a winnable division. They've
been to the conference championship game two out of the
last three years. You make a valid point, but those
(33:59):
are some old school names you're throwing out there. Man,
I think the league has changed a little bit since then.
Oh no, that really hasn't changed that much.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
The different the change has been Patrick Mahomes Because the
last time.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
The last thing that everybody was trying.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
To copycat was Seattle Russell Wilson quarterback on a rookie deal.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You surround them a good player. Yeah, that's the story.
That was the plan.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And that's the thing about the copycat League. I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
We see Russell Wilson at the struggles that he's had without.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
A solid running game.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We see it like it's just like people just are
playing the results in terms of the Super Bowl. And
I understand that, like quarterback is a sexy's position and
they're not making Netflix specials about linemen.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah right, but like.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Watch, but just just the point of the matter, Like
when you look around here, if you're not talking about
Hall of Fame guys at your key positions, you need
to have a solid floor.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know who has a solid floor. The Atlanta Falcons.
Last year they almost won the division starting Marcus Mariota
and Desmond They almost won Why because they had a
great running game.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
A great running game.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Right now this year, Desmond rider turns along and you
know he takes a step forward. I'm just like, bro,
your offense is looking great. You know, your offense is
looking like you got no issues. Like your offenses look
especially in that division. Carolina can run the ball, you
know what I'm saying. I mean, I know they moved
on for Christian McCaffrey, but in part they they could
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run the ball. And then let's think about that Christian
McCaffrey goes to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
They were winning before where and you got to sit
there and hear people say that, oh, this is a
bad deal. This is a bad deal.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
People, people who cover this league, people who are on
the radio, we're talking about it was a bad idea
for the forty nines.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To Trader McCaffrey, the boom, all of a sudden, quarterback
is hurt and he's the best player on the field. Yea,
all of a sudden, the quarterback is hurt, and they're like,
how come Christian can't play quarterback in the playoffs? Well,
in the playoffs, I was about to say, there were
rumors that if if the quarterback had went down, the
next backup had it went down and pretty got hurt,
McCaffrey was gonna have to play quarterback.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Like that was real. That was a real thing that
possibly could have happened on the Christian McCaffrey thing. Also too,
he knew how important he was because he poundered in
Carolina and he got him so traded, and once he
got to San Francisco, that hamstring, calf, groin, whatever.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
It was, it was magically healed.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
And I don't think that he was the best player
once the quarterback I heard. I thought he was San
Francisco's best player the minute that they traded for him,
the minute his plan playing Land and Santa Clarita Santa Clair.
Excuse me, he was the best player in the city
right there. And as you said, they used him every
way and it opens up everything. And that's an offense
with Deebo Samuel who wants some debo. That's an offense
(36:47):
with him on it. But McCaffrey shows up. You're a
You're an NFC Championship game, game away from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Copycat league.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Nobody looks like Kyle Shanahan being an inch away from
beating Patrick mahone, just saying hey, maybe we should do that.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Next.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I don't know.
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Speaker 5 (01:38):
I mean, it's almost like the guy's got the rundown,
go figure it now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But Tony Pollard, Say Kwon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, all of
whom did not receive long term deals. And by long term,
I mean we're talking anything past to look anything anything year.
So I say long term maybe like midterm, you know
what I'm saying, just a little bit longer than short
term deals on the one year franchise tags that are
(02:04):
now available to them.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Sakuon Josh Jacobs have not signed there as Tony Poler did.
That's probably what happens when you break your fibula in
the playoffs. You're gonna go ahead and get.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
That Yeah, go ahead, us off of that ten mil.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Go ahead and get that year taking care of But
VJ if I said it once, I said it again,
it's a farce. Fall salary cap in the NFL for
running backs right now and for whatever reason, like in
all other sports, in almost every other position, the top
fifteen and ten percent of the top, you know, ten
to fifteen percent, that the cream of the crop, the
best of the best. It's really hard for them to
(02:36):
get with the money that they have earned in terms
of the production that they that they've put out there.
You look at it, Josh Jacobs was the top the
Raiders and almost everything that mattered.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, you look at top the league. Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm just even just in their individual teams, the teams,
just their teams, the output of their teams, like you know,
so and then when you put it to the rest
of the league, it's really like, Oh my goodness, what's
going going on here? But that's the NFL that we're
in right now today. I know, me and VJ. We're
gonna sit here. We're gonna try to solve problems today, folks.
(03:09):
Everybody else is gonna take you just gotta pay him
because you got to.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I have a solution potentially that may just maybe everybody
could get along with to try to get your running
backs paid.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
We'll get to that in just the moment. But VEJ first,
your thoughts here. It's crazy, it really is. Josh Jacobs
is the first guy that comes to my mind when
I think about a guy that played all seventeen games
for the Raiders last year.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
This is a two time pro baller. He was an
All Pro before.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Sixteen fifty three with twelve touchdowns and five yards per
on three hundred and forty carries. I'm trying to figure
out how you can at least get that guy to
SA Kwan won him a little like he did have
the injury, but he did come back and showed good
face last year and was kicking ass like he was
balling hardcore last year. So I'm kind of figuring out
(03:53):
what they're doing there. But we saw this come in
on our show. When Daniel Jones got forty mil for
fifteen touchdown passes, I said, okay, well, something's gotta happen
with Saquon. I'd attagged a quarterback. Possibly he's the guy
that's probably not gonna sit out of camp because he's
still trying to prove itself. Say, Kuan's a running back,
he's got to get his money. It's just crazy when
you go down the list, you look at Austin Eckler,
where the Charger said, you know what, buddy, we're gonna
(04:15):
show good faith to you, go ahead and test reagency Goad.
He went weeks months and everybody had an opportunity to
sign him, and nobody did it. A guy that's nine
hundred yards plus on the ground, seven hundred yards plus
through the air last year for the Chargers offense, he
can't get paid. But just look at this running back
off season, Joe Mixon. He took a pay cut, Aaron
(04:36):
Jones took a pay cut, Dalvin Cook was cut, Leonard
Fournette was cut, zekea Elliot's cut. Does anybody even remember
that Kareem Hunt is still a free agent right now?
And has not signed with a football franchise in the NFL.
It's just crazy. But this is I mean, this is
just where we are right now. They don't want to
pay running backs. The running back position has been devalued tremendously.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I'm very interested in to hear your solution that you
don't even that hour later, But I wonder see.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
What you got about?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The running back market is devalue like this real estate
in the hood.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's like, all right, what are we like? What like?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
The running back market is devalued?
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Like what.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
How is it that the I mean, look, if you
look across the league in the last ten years, quarterback
average annual salary gone up, offensive line average annual salary
gone up, defensive line average annual salary gone up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Every average annual salary is gone up.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
But the running back and so like, what, well, it's
just the constant, the idea that you can sit here
and cobble together production out of other places.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And if I gotta here one more person, tell me that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Oh, you know, the Chiefs got Isiah pa Checko with
the seventh round, and you know what, they won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it don't. But
here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
They also got Patrick Mahomes with the eleventh four years prior,
five years prior.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
When you have capital T, capitol D that guy at quarterback,
then sure maybe you can run your running back as
by committee.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Just run.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm on like Harris, I want one ride in and
throw a quarter in there, pick up another one in
the fifth round. But the idea that like the Giants
aren't paying Taquon Barkley, like like, I mean, you saw
what Daniel Jones did last year and said, you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Know what, that's the reason why we want to turn football.
That's forty million dollars, right, that's the reason why we
want to turn the football games.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So we just accept the fact that quarterbacks are supposed
to quote unquote reset the market.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Meanwhile, a running back like Saquon the reports.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Have you seen the reports about Saquon and how close
they were on the contract.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, essentially they were offering him to keep you know,
just to keep it in line and keep it easy
for everybody.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It was what it was gonna be something like ten
million this year, ten million next year, twenty something guaranteed
he makes more money getting tagged. Yeah, how is that
standard of business in the NFL where it's more or
he's gonna be in super inscented bys to get tagged.
First of all, a guy who has been a guy
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who if you played cornerback or safety or something like that,
or was a wide receiver, there'd be no question.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You want him to be a cornerstorm part of your franchise. Right.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But because of the position that he plays, we have
to question whether or not this is gonna be a
good decision. Yeah, And that's because the wear and tear
on running backs and the way things went down with
the Todd Gurley. Dale also said the other day that
I felt like this in the NFL is a copycat league.
We know that it's the biggest copycat league that the
good Lord upstairs has ever created. And when you have
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teams like the Patriots, franchise like the Patriots that were
able to kind of honestly and once again to your point, yeah,
everybody doesn't have a Tom Brady, but I guarantee you
there are offensive coordinator's, head coaches and gems around the
league that think we don't need Brady, we just need
a service or quarterback, some receivers, and we can get
a running back.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Like, we can get a guy, and we can find
a guy to running football because we've seen teams win
super Bowls and championships that do so. I don't think
personally that's a great formula because I'm all about football
one oh one. It starts with run the football, stop
the run. That's that's football. You'll win a lot of
games if you can run the football. You can stop
the run. You run the football a little more effectively
(08:17):
in my opinion, when you gotta workhorse back a guy
you can hand it to twenty two to twenty five
times a Sunday, three hundred and forty plus times a year.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
That's to me as a workers.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
You look at a guy like Eric Digerson three years
in his career, like three of his first four years
in his career he had over three hundred and eighty carries,
like those days are just gone and he ain't get
hurt in the one year he ran for two thousand yards.
This this idea that you know you can't pay him,
I honestly do feel Mark. Now I might push back
a little bit on the your your opinion of the
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running back is being devalued. It has been devalued because
we've seen guys get hurt and go down in the analytics,
which I hate.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I hate I call you.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Know me dorkisms, the neudisms and sports I hate all
that analytics stuff that has seeped into the NFL. Well,
it does show if you run your running back this
many times or the average you know, career span for
a running back. I don't buy that when you find
a special guy, but then somebody buys a special thing
about that.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
The whole analytics creeping in to the league and so on.
And I'm not an anti analytics guy. I understand percentages.
In fact, I gamble every day and so like. That
is part of the reason why I am for sure
pro analytics. However, the big thing about analytics is you
have to account for the fact that there are human
beings doing it, all right, there are no perfect human beings.
(09:39):
You are not operating on a spreadsheet. You are operating
on a football field, the grid iron, okay, not the
grid lock of a spreadsheet. All right, So the thing,
but it drives me crazy to hear the cap like, Okay,
the NFL is a copycat league.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So hmm, all right, let's who was in the AFS.
Who's been in the championship the last few years.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
AFC been one of the most successful team last five
six years, Kansas City. Okay, all right, we have seen
things out of Patrick Mahomes and his first five years
that right now, he is a Hall of Famer, right, Like,
just the success that he is out of the first
five years.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
You can laugh all you want, but you can do that.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
The only thing if he retired right now, the only
question people would have is the longevity.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then I bet they would point back to all
a lot of other quarterbacks who are in the Hall
of Fame and be like, I don't give a dim
about his longevity because he won more than five years
than some of these guys won in fifteen, Right, But
they don't grow on trees. We talk about how running
backs are expendable, Well maybe, just maybe it's because you
(10:52):
are paying guys like Daniel Jones or Derek Carr or whoever,
Jimmy Garoppolo all this money. They are at best and
average positional player at that spot.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
What happens is we'll go where you're messing up here.
It's not about paying. I don't think anybody's crying that
Miles Sanders didn't get you know, or reset the market.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, we're talking about the guys who were leading.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
You know what I'm saying, some of the guys who
were leading the league in rushing, and they were the offense.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You know what I'm saying, Like Joe Mixon, that's a
tough one.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I get it. Hey, he said, I don't want a jersey,
But you know what he also sees on the farizon.
You got Jamar Chase over there, see Higgins over there,
Tyler Boyd, Joe Burrow, and also, not to mention, Joe
Burrow's been sacked half a quadrillion times since he walked
in the NFL. So they gonna have to spend some
money on the offensive line, and that's just the defense.
He looked around the landscape and said, you know what, well,
(11:46):
just spread this eight million out over the next two
years so I can have a shot to win the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Right like that? I get that.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
But also again, Joe Burrow has been in the AFC
Championship Game twice in the.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Four years he's been a starter.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Like in one year he got hurt and missed majority
of the season with the AC so they three years healthy,
pretty much three years healthy. There you go, two times
he's an AFC Championship game. Something else to that I
think happened with these contracts. Receivers started getting absorberle just.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Just sorry, not I want to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But it's an answering to this point because you said
it's been this de incentivized the running back market. Nobody
cries with Kenny Galladay signs for like fifteen million dollars
and you know what I'm saying, Nobody like Austin Actus
point the other day was perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
How am I making less than a third wide receiver?
And you know what the analytics thing and also does
it gives people an excuse to be bad team builders.
It gives you an excuse to miss out on things.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It really does because when when when the GM tennessee
when he when he trades AJ Brown, people are looking
at it like, oh man, you know this might work
out because we drafted trailing Burke, so this might work out.
We don't want to pay AJ Brown at twenty six
years old. You know who had no issue with it? Yep,
(13:03):
don't runner up and the dog on Super Bowl. Nope,
not at all. Also to this, I looked up and
this was kind of really crazy. So the top level
with running backs you're trying to get is about ten
million a year. Right, there are some receivers I looked
up and to Austin Eckler's point, that are making like twelve, fifteen, seventeen,
twenty million. Valdez Scantley, Tyler, Lockett, McClaren, Christian Kirk, Hunter
(13:26):
Renfro sudden.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Right there, checking Moore. Their Hunter Renfro. Yeah, Hunter runs out. Yeah,
they're on the same team. He scored what left to
five touchdowns last year. He had more touchdowns and fumble.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It was her. It was her.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
You're telling me you're paying Hunter Renfro, if you're the Raiders,
you're paying Hunter Renfro more than you're paying the league
leading's rusher. And you don't even you're not even really
settled at the quarterback position this year. And that's why
I thought he was the guy that jumped out to
me that said, Okay, I get what's going on, because
I understand the NFL, I understand the business of it.
(13:58):
But if there's one guy that makes me side on you, like, Okay,
y'all wilding right now, that's the Raiders with Josh Jacobs,
because he's a guy that's proven, and you ain't drafted
a kid out of Georgia to come in and try
to take his place. He was like, ah, record, scratch,
hold up, he didn't remember. They drafted the kid out
of Georgia and they put him on notice and what
did you do? Just like the league in Russian touchdowns,
I mean, he's your offense. You're not yourself with the
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quarterback position. You're paying Hunter Renfro more than you're paying
Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
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Speaker 4 (14:32):
And VJ over here.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Let us know what you think about the news of
the day, the running back market and the whole no
franchise tags. And apparently Josh Jacobs was sitting in the
parking lot waiting for his deal to get done. It
was that close, which doesn't say anything about close he
was at all.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
He was about fifteen hundred feet. That's all close he was.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
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Speaker 4 (15:33):
It's tough if you want to be at running back
these days in.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
The NFL, but I tell you what, it's almost tougher
to be an NFL fan on Twitter because somebody is
running back takes EJ.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I know this is normally your section of.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
The radio, but I mean, Lord, have mercy, it's been
horrible out there.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
One thing that I have to say if you think.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
That your kid is in high school right and has
a shot at the NFL and he's playing running back,
should probably stick him at running back.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, you know how hard it is to play other positions.
He's really good at that one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Right, In three to five years, this whole thing will
reset a little bit, because right now, guys like Tony
Pollard and Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley are all in
the same conversation, right, and I think no shade to
Josh Jacob, mean, no shade to Tony Pollard, but there's
a delineation there, Yeah, of course, but of course.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, like the idea that you would tell your kid
not to.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Play running back, I'm sorry, Cadillac. Williams rushed for like
a half.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A million yards at Auburn, and you know what he did,
walked right back in saying Aubard after that, Like, you
can make a hell of a career as a running back.
But eight seven seven nine nine six six three six ' nine.
How do you feel about the running back contracts right now?
Do you feel like Josh Jacobs, Sakwan should have gotten
paid long term? Tony Pollard, whoever? You think this is
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a good thing that running backs aren't getting paid.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
VJ.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Your opinion on the matter, where you got right? Where
are you on this? I feel it, man, I really do.
You said it yourself. It'll reset because we spoke about
this the other day. This used to be the tight ends.
Remember when Jimmy Graham wanted to be paid as a
receiver because he basically was a receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He was just the tight end.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
The te was next to his name, and he got
paid like a receiver eventually, and then it kind of
reset the market for all the tight ends because the
league started. You get Andrews, you get Kelsey, you get
a lot of these other big time, big name tight
ends that are super productive for their team. One hundred catches.
Andrews has done it, Kelsey's done a thousand yards receiving.
Both of those guys have done it also to double
(17:32):
digit touchdowns, So it reset it. I do think that
this will be reset sooner or later because we were
just talking during the break and you're not a fan
of copycat league that phrase, and I told you I
don't agree with it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I think it's wrong to do.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I think you should do what your franchise needs you
to do for your franchise. You may be able to
look at maybe a scheme that another coach is running,
or another team is doing, or something like that, but
to try to turn the lead to Okay, this is
what we're all gonna do. We're all not gonna pay
running backs. You're only hurting yourself. Because if I got
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a back that I feel like I want to pay,
and I feel like he's a guy that can get
me to the conference championship. And then once you get there.
We've seen on Championship Sunday, anything, any flag, any late
push out of bounds can send you home or send
you to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And if you got a running back that can help
you do that.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Dalvin Cook is another guy that we haven't mentioned that
is out there, and you know what I mean, diehard
lifelong Dolphin fan. And at first I was really excited
that he wants to play in Miami. He's down in
South Florida. That's where he lives though. So he's tweeting
pictures from his camp and is his Pop Warner team
down there and stuff like that, and everybody's always in Miami.
He's gonna sign there. Well, first of all, is where
he's from and that's where he lives. If everybody knows,
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there's no secret he wants to play there. But he
has a deal on the table. Bloomer SI used to
put out the other day. He's got a seven million
dollar offer on the table right now from Minnesota, from
the Vikings that cut him. There's no number that's been
thrown out for the Dolphins. I told you about a
month ago. If I was Miami and I feel like
that tools ready, tools healthy, you have all these other weapons,
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Vangion defense, Ramsey, the defense should come up with rate
sixteenth in the league last year. And if I felt
like that he was the one piece that could put
our team over the top. Two years guaranteed twenty mil
fully guaranteed. That's ten million year, and you just you
have the money you had to sit. You cut Byron
Jones on June Force first, just do it and if
it doesn't work out, okay, But to not do it
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because you don't like the number and you need a stationary,
every down, three down back.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I like Wilson Jr. I like Mosser.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Can anybody out here really call them a legitimate bona
fide three down running back? They're both fast, kind of
utility guys that you can run with. But we're so
much better if you got Dalvin Cook to start the
game and then you can add those guys in. So
I feel and understand where it is right now. I
do think it'll change, and you know, we'll have to see, man.
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But let's go to the callers. We got some callers
coming in right now. Are you gonna read that all?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Martin? I got your will playing Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
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Speaker 4 (20:10):
What's your take? Pal? What you got?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Guys?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
I'll have to say that a team like the Giants
has to find a way to compete and play football
and produce that product just like other teams that win.
And no, they're not the Chiefs. So I wouldn't expect
the Chiefs right to go out and pay, you know,
a high premium for a runner back. They don't, they
don't have it in their system. But the Giants, that's
not their team. So yes, I think that they need
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to get that need to get that deal done because
without without say Kuan, they don't win. There's no formula
that goes forward where he's not with that team that
they're looking at any three to five year outlook, that's
more than you know, relegated to being hopefully better than
the Redskins without say qual.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, and well, you're absolutely right and thanks for the call.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
You're absolutely right in that because it's just, you know,
the Giants had more success last year. They've had it
like ten years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Since o'doll, they fired their coach, they traded over.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Since O'Dell, since O'Dell made that catch, the Giants had
the best success they've had since then. Brandon Carr has
been out the league. That's a guy who've defended. Don't
theell Beckham on that flood? You know what I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Been that long.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You want to talk about messing.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Up the vibes? Who also to a number I threw
out the other day. I just love this number. Barkley
and Jones on the field. When they were in the
field together, Jones touched down the interceptions forty one seventeen
with a ninety one QBR rating.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
When they're not on.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
The field together and it's just Jones out there, sixteen
touchdowns seventeen interceptions. I mean there it is QBRS at
seventy seven point three.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
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Speaker 5 (21:56):
You'll hear this phrase across the board over the next
few weeks. It's a copycat league, and I just wanted like,
first of all, you know it's some milliguized We have
a little bit of time.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I want to challenge all the listeners here.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
When you hear something repeated over and over and over
again in sports and sports, let's why, Just ask why?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Right? So here it's a copycat league.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Why is it accepted that you see one team do
one thing to win and then the rest of everybody
else jumps on the same boat. When the whole point,
pardon me, the whole point is to win, to beat
your competition.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So what you are saying when you say it's a
copycat league, is you are saying that the best strategy
to win is to try and copy what the other
team just kicked her ash doing, as opposed to finding
out a way to try to stop how the other
team kicked.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't know, VJ. We on one thing, that's really
hard to do score in football. If you don't have
the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
It makes it much easier to possess the ball for
longer period of time if you got a running back
who could get four yards to carry. What I think
also happened too, is we're in the generation of you.
You're a big coordinator guy. You love to watch coordinators
go to different teams and stuff. I like coordinators too,
not as not as much as a lot of people
other football fans do. But another thing that's happened with
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this league. We are in the era now of this
flux of coordinators that have become head coaches from I
e U. Let's let's look at the Shanahan tree, and
you know, we look at Andy Reid's tree, his coaching tree.
And what happens is these teams and these coordinators, they
do take systems, and they do take what they were
doing and then that last place and try to bring
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it to their place.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Not just schematically.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think that this happens also too roster wise and
philosophy will.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
How often do you hear a defensive coordinators saying, Oh,
we have to to cut this outside linebacker because he
can't cover in my system.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm sure it happens, but I don't think
it gets airplay. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it
happens if you're a long backer. Shady mccoigber shy Coy
got traded for kick Ko Alonzo. Yeah, because he didn't
fit the running style.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
At that question, it's just like, well, maybe your running
style is wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
He should change the running style. You should change the
running style. Well, like I said, I'm a firm believer.
You do what your franchise needs you to do. You know,
I'm not really worried about copying anybody. You could take
little pieces of things. You can grab a play here
or a scheme here, But when it comes to the
meets and bones of your squad and meets some bones
of your franchise, you have to do what works for
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your team. The car that just called in for Wisconsin
made a great point about the Giants. You can't win
without sa Kwon Barkley. I don't know what you can't win, Yeah,
I don't. I don't care what.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Brian Dable thinks he's got cooked up his sleeve or
what he thinks.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
He's clever enough, and it's not him he's not the
guy controlling the contracts and stuff. But I do know
some coaches have the power to go knock on the
GM's doing and go, hey, listen. And I know it's
none of my business this, but it is kind of
my business because you guys will fire me in a
year or two that if this guy doesn't end up
playing for us and we end up going eight and
nine and then seven and ten, I know you guys
will fire me in two years. Playoff, yeah, off a
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playoff win, not just so going in Minnesota and winning.
If we go a and nine and seven and ten,
you'll fire me that that third season, which would be
his fourth year there. Right, he's got a four or
five year deal. You'll fire me. And but we won't
go seven and ten or eight and to nine. If
you guys fixed this over here with the running back
with the say QUANTITYA yeah, we need him.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
VJ just put the numbers out when they Jose's on
the field with him as opposed to win. He's not
on the field with him. So I, like I said,
I do believe in copycat. I don't think it's right
and I don't agree with it because we don't see
it really work. There's a reason why the Chiefs are
what is it the AFC Invitational now pretty much as
far as essentially the AFC Championship Game. And I know
(25:55):
they have mahomes, but at the end of the day,
they still do them because they have Andy Reid. And
if you're trying to copy what the Chiefs do, okay,
good luck that that's probably not gonna work.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The Patriots.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
For so long, the Bengals have been a two or
three AFC Championship games. The Bills have made long playoff runs.
Everybody else in the NFL is still like trying to fiit.
I think the Eagles are solid in the NFC, but
everybody else in the NFC, namely who the Eagles are
playing in the conference championship game.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
San Francisco. Party's gonna be back, and he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Do that same thing he did last year when nobody's
got tape on him, nobody's got film on it. Let's
be real. Let's be real about Brock Party for just
a second. You know what Rock Purty did. Yeah, Christ
McCaffrey is running back, all right, I'll find all right.
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Speaker 4 (26:52):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Man with you?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Thanks you, I appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Hey, I'm chilling man, you know, you know, I got
to disagree a little bit on this, man, Like I'm
get with y'all.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Fan.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The running backs are an undervalue position. But how many
titles do CJ two K win? How many titles is
Derrick Henry stacking up right now?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Man?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
They take up so much of the salary path, and
it's just a position where you can't trust them to
be healthy all year long because they're taking those tits.
Look having to say Quan last year. And when you
got teams like you know, Vanilla just mentioned it, When
you got teams like the Chiefs and the New England
Patriots who put together dynasties with a rotating door running back,
it's hard to ignore that, man. And with positions like
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the quarterback position, where it's a scarcity at that position,
whereas with running backs they're a diamond, doesn't man. I
hate to say it as much as we like to
say the checko wasn't a common thing. You see guys
always coming in there, swooping in whenever they get the
chance of putting up big numbers, especially for teams with
established coaching departments like the like the Eagles, like the Patriots,
(27:49):
like the Kansas City Chiefs. I can't even name you
with a certain running back. Whatk for the Eagle last year?
That's how wild it was.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Mile. What's the point showing that you're making in Carolina,
established quarterbacks, established coaching staffs, right?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That all right?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
If you want to, if you have a strategy in
that regard, okay, cool. But the thing that people seem
to forget to remember is one simple fact.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Everybody talks to Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Derrick Henry had the Titans in the AFC Championship Game
a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Patrick Mahomes beat them, right, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then they have won the division several times with
Derreck Henry, with the guy Ryan Tannehill playing quarterback who
was a converted wi remat they're so sick of Ryan
Tannehill a quarterback. They have spent two first third, first
three round picks right the first the second round pick what.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Was the levis what It Loves, finished up the second
round pick, second.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Round pick, and in the third round pick in the
last two years on a quarterback. Okay, like that's where
they're at, But you know what they're not through.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I mean, I think they took Asan Haskins, but Derrick
Henry has been the lifeblood of that team for so
long that it's just like I don't understand the logic,
Like I get it. If you won't want to pay
the backup the day Derek Henry, that's something different in time.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
But they also remember this great call to man. But
they also toyed and flirted into the idea out there
of trading Derrick Henry because they believe probably Hassan Haskins
Michigan can do the job. Now, he ain't gonna do
the job that King Derek is doing it King Henry's doing,
He's not gonna do that job, but they feel like
he can do the job. I kind of feel what
(29:21):
he's saying, and that's why I use the Patriots, And
I used Pacha Goo as my example, because the teams
that are that are really kicking ass in the league
and beating everybody, and you know they're they're building dynasties.
They are doing it at a revolving door at the
running back position. I did mention the other day with
the Patriots and and uh Corey Dillon, but that's over
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Point is that everybody just seems to ignore it's not
a revolving door quarterback. That's the point.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You have these dynasties.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
You look, okay, quarterback, all right, because you have to
have that guy at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
All right, Levy.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Ibell wants to sit out, Well, I don't know. Ben
Roethlisberger will be skating into the Hall of Fame. Tom
Brady will be skating.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Into the Hall of Fame. Patrick Mahomes skating into the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Jalen Hurts had an MVP type here last year. Right,
If he keeps that up for the next six seven years.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
He right there will be in the conversation as best
quarterbacks off the decade.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Running back door.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Kay, yeah, but you got a quarterback but but but
but but you you're moving on from Derek Carter to
go to Jimmy Garoppolo, whose foot may or may not
even work.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
All right, I'm sorry, it's just it's hiving.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Who's the back up there? Who's the bat? Who's the
back Bryan freaking Hoyer. It's wow, Wow, that's Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
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no news in the franchise tag discussion.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You weren't getting the long.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Term deal pal, And like I said last Saturday, Joe
Mixon said, he looked at the market and said, man,
I just want a jersey. Let's extend this deal out
a few years and can keep me on the squad.
That's where we are right now. The state are running
backs in the NFL. But I just it drives me
crazy because I just feel like, hey, unless you have
an elite quarterback, you probably shouldn't pay him like it.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And we just exactly we just accept.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They're like, you know, hey, Derek Hard, Daniel doon'es, you're
gonna make this big money. And then we wonder why
running backs are like, hey man, this isn't fair. Cliff
in Kentucky, you're on Fox Sports Radio. What you got you?
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Here's my deal?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
And maybe I'm wrong, but if you take a look
at all the Super Bowl winning teams, they all had
a running back who did something to keep a drive going.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
To this morning, touchdown when needed.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
He got Walter Payton. You got Marshawn Lynch, you got
Jerome Bennis, you got Roger Craig, you got Frank O'harris,
Rocky Blyer, all those guys. How can you tell me
that the league has changed out much where you don't
need a running back. If that's the case, why I
haven't it all get you a couple of extra linemen
(32:50):
and throws them backyard just to protect the quarterback. It
just don't make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Hey, listen, I like the list you just gave, but
you and I'm not gonna knock them. But these are
that's the Those are all guys that have played and
all retired, and some of I grew up wanting to
be Walter Payon. I had goggles and I didn't even
need I didn't even have prescription goggles. I my mom
buy me some fake guys because I want to look
like Eric Dickerson when I played football. I'm with you, brother,
and I believe that football should go back to that.
(33:17):
But to the Carlor from Wisconsin. From Sacramento's point, we
have in this era that we're in right now, we
have seen a turnstyle at the running back position for
championship teams. The Patriots have been there so many times
the last twenty years. The Chiefs are now the standard
in the NFL. They've been to two Super Bowls, They've
(33:37):
been to four straight AFC championship games. We're talking about Cincinnati, right,
Joe Mixon. Now, I believe Joe Mixon is a top
tier running back. But even Joe Mixon was on his
way off door if he didn't take a pay cut
because they have Josh Burrow, Joe Burrow, excuse me, they
have three dominant receivers, they have a winnable division. They've
been to the conference championship game two out of the
last three years. You make a valid point, but those
(33:59):
are some old school names you're throwing out there. Man,
I think the league has changed a little bit since then.
Oh no, that really hasn't changed that much.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
The different the change has been Patrick Mahomes Because the
last time.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
The last thing that everybody was trying.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
To copycat was Seattle Russell Wilson quarterback on a rookie deal.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You surround them a good player. Yeah, that's the story.
That was the plan.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And that's the thing about the copycat League. I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
We see Russell Wilson at the struggles that he's had without.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
A solid running game.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We see it like it's just like people just are
playing the results in terms of the Super Bowl. And
I understand that, like quarterback is a sexy's position and
they're not making Netflix specials about linemen.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah right, but like.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Watch, but just just the point of the matter, Like
when you look around here, if you're not talking about
Hall of Fame guys at your key positions, you need
to have a solid floor.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know who has a solid floor. The Atlanta Falcons.
Last year they almost won the division starting Marcus Mariota
and Desmond They almost won Why because they had a
great running game.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
A great running game.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Right now this year, Desmond rider turns along and you
know he takes a step forward. I'm just like, bro,
your offense is looking great. You know, your offense is
looking like you got no issues. Like your offenses look
especially in that division. Carolina can run the ball, you
know what I'm saying. I mean, I know they moved
on for Christian McCaffrey, but in part they they could
(35:26):
run the ball. And then let's think about that Christian
McCaffrey goes to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
They were winning before where and you got to sit
there and hear people say that, oh, this is a
bad deal. This is a bad deal.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
People, people who cover this league, people who are on
the radio, we're talking about it was a bad idea
for the forty nines.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To Trader McCaffrey, the boom, all of a sudden, quarterback
is hurt and he's the best player on the field. Yea,
all of a sudden, the quarterback is hurt, and they're like,
how come Christian can't play quarterback in the playoffs? Well,
in the playoffs, I was about to say, there were
rumors that if if the quarterback had went down, the
next backup had it went down and pretty got hurt,
McCaffrey was gonna have to play quarterback.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Like that was real. That was a real thing that
possibly could have happened on the Christian McCaffrey thing. Also too,
he knew how important he was because he poundered in
Carolina and he got him so traded, and once he
got to San Francisco, that hamstring, calf, groin, whatever.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
It was, it was magically healed.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
And I don't think that he was the best player
once the quarterback I heard. I thought he was San
Francisco's best player the minute that they traded for him,
the minute his plan playing Land and Santa Clarita Santa Clair.
Excuse me, he was the best player in the city
right there. And as you said, they used him every
way and it opens up everything. And that's an offense
with Deebo Samuel who wants some debo. That's an offense
(36:47):
with him on it. But McCaffrey shows up. You're a
You're an NFC Championship game, game away from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Copycat league.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Nobody looks like Kyle Shanahan being an inch away from
beating Patrick mahone, just saying hey, maybe we should do that.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Next.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
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