July 18, 2023 • 27 mins
In Hour 4 of tonight’s edition of the Jason Smith Show, guest hosts Martin Weiss and Veejay Huskey the guys discuss the comparisons between the WR market to the current stare of the RB market in the NFL. Martin explains why the running back market is artificial, and Adam Gase is to blame for this current mess. Plus, more Ohtani talk and so much more!
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You know. Obviously today the news of the day of
the NFL running backs did not get long term deals.
Tony Pollard already signed this franchise tag. You know, maybe
Josh Jacobs was dealing with tire Reports were dj he
was sitting in his car awaiting the deadline to see
(01:08):
if the Raiders were going to come to an agreement.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I love how he said they make that seem as
if it was close.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All he was was close in terms of distance, I
don't know necessarily close in terms of contract. They were
turned down his longer term deal and now the tag
is there and play for him as well. But really
the thing that gets me about all of this is
and VJ. I know that normally this is your your
(01:36):
corner of our show, and if you're just hearing us
for the first time, you know, maybe you're not driving
around Saturday afternoons. VJ. I like to call him very
online VJ, because he tweets quite often. He's always in
the conversation. I am not online. I read stuff. I
don't necessarily need the post stalking. No, no, no, no no.
(02:00):
First of all, there's a difference between we got to
get back to words mean things stalking major actively following
somebody around to see.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
What that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's not what happens. Open. I opened the phone every
so often, and I see the news. Now you want
to talk about algorithms and so on, and Elon Musk
and why you from eighteen hours ago pop up first
when I opened my phone. Anyway, the point remains conversation
has been awesome all day. Well, you know, you just
(02:31):
can't pay running backs. You can't pay the running back.
If you pay the running back, you know, what do
you tell ages? Haven't you saying? The teams that won
Super Bowls in the last few years, none of them
had running backs. In fact, Isaiah patcheck Ow from the
from the Kansas City Chiefs, he was a seventh round pick, right,
(02:52):
yeah he was. I'm so sick of hearing this. In fact,
I'm gonna agree. Look, Isaiah Pacheco last year for the Chiefs,
eight hundred and thirty yards, five touchdowns, last year for
the Rams, I mean two years ago for the Rams.
I'm going down to Super Bowl winners. Okay, Sony Michelle
eight fifty four yards, four touchdowns, Tampa Bay, Ronald Jones
(03:15):
nine hundred and seventy eight yards, seven touchdowns in Kansas
City again, you'll remember Joe Bucks famous call of playoff
Damien Right, Damian William David Williams right, five touchdowns himself, Patriots,
Sony Michelle again the second time he's on this list, right,
maybe he's got these amount of values. Seems to be
(03:35):
he wins super bowls. Yep, okay, Lagarrett Blount from Philly,
Laclara Bounce from New England, Ronnie Hillman and Denver, Shane
Veren and New England and Marshaun lynchon adare Okay. What
do you see in common with all of these guys?
I got it, VJ. Hall of Fame Quarterbacks, That's what
(04:00):
is in common with all of these guys, with the
exception of potentially Matthew Stafford. I think Matthew Stafford is
in the Hall of very good he though I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
But I think he's I got you. I know we
were talking about this before, but I saw too much
of his career.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I watched him. I watched him get worked like a
nine to five or what.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Does he say? What does Rob say?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh? Worked over?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Like we're work over fries against Aaron? I don't know
what right against Aaron Rodgers and NFC North. How many
times had the Detroit Lions won the division? I'll answer
for you answer zero? Zero? Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
So it felt like a trick question, like they've they
stuck one in that I forgot about.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it hasn't happened since
nineteen ninety one. All right, Yeah, I was I'm thirty three.
Were you born No in nineteen ninety one? Barely? Hardly? Okay,
my sister out so much. My sister who now is
an actress or television. You know what I'm saying, she's
a full grown adult. She pays her own rents. You
(05:06):
know what I'm saying, she's full voted adult striking right
now for the actress strike. She wasn't even born yet.
But when you look at these winners of Super Bowls,
you have the Rams who may or may not have
a Hall of Fame quarterback. But fij I'll remind you
(05:28):
because it seems that nobody else wants to. In that
NFC Championship game, we saw the worst non call in
NFL history by one Bill Vinovitch, in which the call
Rugby Coleman, tackled Tommy Lee Lewis on the five yard
line and what was an obvious pass in your fair
Oh my god, that would have won New Orleans the game.
And guess what that gets you, Oh, another Hall of
(05:50):
Fame quarterback in the Super Bowl. Okay, right then the Eagles.
Right that Eagles had Carson Wentz was playing at a
m VP level up until that point. I know it
may sound funny now if you're just getting around to
football to hear that Carson Wentz at one point was
playing at an MVP level. But I promise you it
(06:11):
was happening. The Rams were playing games in the coliseum.
It was an odd time. Carson Wentz was on his
way to an m v P. That's what I'm saying,
an m v P. Very strange time in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
And know it does right if it was like an
odd times, it was like it was a decade.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ago, well, it was just it was not that long ago.
But what happened in that playoff run? Carson Wentz gets hurt.
And what do we see in the biggest copycat league
of them all, something called the r PO, something called
(06:48):
I mean, I didn't play football, right, you know you did?
You know what I'm saying. Maybe maybe you had r
pos in your in your in your situation where are baby?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
We called it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It was just basically spread off, but we called But
exactly what the idea that the RPO existed? Right? Because
before it was the read option? Right, it was the
read option, and you pass out of read option? Looks right?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I read about it in the book, But.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
No, seriously, Nick Foles career backup comes in and they
figure out and they be innovative and they walk through
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, and now the King of the Playoffs VJ.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's really about a four to five game win streak
if you really think about it and break it down. Now,
you got to qualify obviously, But we've seen teams with
seven losses being the Super Bowl why twice because they
turned on at the right time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So, but it's just it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And how about that the Angels do pull it out
in the bottom of the tenth.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
New York Yankees. That's a tough loss. But anyway, that's
a very tough loss by the Yankees. That is a
tough loss by the Yankees. So but to point here
with just the teams that have won, they did. I'm
sorry real quick.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Another thing.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Tight ends. You had Gronky Kelsey, two of the best
three tight ends to play the game probably like you're
playing the results is so crazy to me. That is
just I just see it, and it's who are you
people who sit there and are like, we can't pay
the running back because it is you're dumb.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Listen, if you even look at the teams that lost
Super Bowls and look at the running backs that they
had as opposed to the quarterbacks that they have. Philly
lost last year, Jalen Hurt finished second in the MVP.
Cincinnati lost two years ago. We all know how great
Joe Burrow is. Kansas City thirty one to nine against
Tampa Bay. Brady gets that ring there, Tampa Bay. Who's
Kansas City quarterback? Oh yeah, that guy Patrick Mahomes best
(08:49):
player in the league in my opinion. San Francisco lost
the year before that. They had Jimmy Garoppolo. The year
before that, the Rams, you mentioned them already, they had
Todd Gurley. New England loses, they have Tom Brady. Atlanta loses.
They have MVP winner that year, Matt Ryan, And I
mean the list just goes on.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Seattle a year right there.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know they have Russell Wilson, where everybody's in love
with Beast Moo's they're running back.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Denver gets trounced.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They have Peyton Manning through forty three to eight back
in twenty fourteen. So even if you just go down
and you look at the teams that have even lost
Super Bowls. They all have pretty much elite quarterbacks. You
have to have an elite quarterback and then you can
have a turnstyle at the running back position. If you
(09:32):
don't have that, you're gonna be in a lot of trouble.
If you don't if you don't pay, if you don't
pay your running back. Here's a number that I looked
up the other day too, as I am working on
a top secret football project that I'm gonna unleash on
the world, and you guys could probably almost take.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
A hint at what it is.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But the day you came on the day that we
went over that one guy's one hundred things to happen
this NFL season and you got to the Patriot one,
I went the hell off. So I said, okay, yeah,
I got got you, buddy, I got something for you.
But something I went and I looked at. There were
sixteen one thousand yard rushers last year, and to me,
(10:13):
I think this year they will be even less than that.
I think there will be less than sixties. And that's
half the league. Half the league had a one thousand
yard rusher last year. I think that number goes down
this year to maybe like twelve, twelve or eleven, teams
will have a one thousand yard rusher because of this
running back by committee that seeps into the league at
(10:35):
the phrase you hate again, copycat league, get more receivers
sling the ball around. You used to run to set
up the pass. Now teams passed the set of run,
and once again, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I
don't agree with it. I believe in running the football.
If you got two backs, I need thirty five runs.
I need forty runs you get. You're averaging seventy five
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eighty plays right anywhere between sixty five to eighty plays
with an NFL team averages on this, I need thirty
to thirty four of those thirty five of those to
be running plays. Even if you're not gaining big yards.
It keeps the defense honest.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You guys.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Remember in the Super Bowl where the Packers are playing
the Broncos and Terrell Davis has a migraine and his
sight like goes away. Shannonhan grabs him to put him in.
He goes, Coach, I can't see, he goes. I know,
but I need you in there because if we don't
put you in on this third down play. They're never
gonna believe we're gonna run the football. That's how important
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a run. And they had John Elway, they had a
Hall of Fame first ballot, you know, generational number one overall.
Pick guy, and they still knew I need you in
on not the game, this play.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
One play. The guy's blind.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The guy can't see, he's got migrain going right now.
But he is as honest as a man as he could.
He grabbed his shoulder pad and pulled him closer to him.
He goes, but if we don't put you in, they're
never gonna believe we're gonna run the football. So I'm
I'm I'm definitely a proponent for running the football and
football one on one.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
But I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Man?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It just is, It just is what it is right now.
And if you don't have an elite guy, gotta have
some running backs, man, Like I said, the Saquan thing cool.
The Josh Jacobs won that's the one that baffles me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Mark. You have all the wide receivers in the world,
somebody gotta throw them the ball. Yeah, running back, you
just turn around, give it to him.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Just what it's the easiest transitional position in my opinion,
would you agree with that from college to pro? Basically
you have to just be able to learn to pick
up the blitzeres and be able to read the different
blitz package. But other than that, it's it's it's here,
take ball, see hole, make one definitive miss run right.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I mean it depends, I don't know how difficult. Like
to me, we've seen wide receive Like that's another thing
that drives me nuts about this.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
We see whide receivers come in.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
On rookie deals and go nuts, go crazy like Gary
Wilson last year, Jamar Chase right now, it was like
nobody's like, nobody's like Jefferson, I can't pay these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Was a pretty position. Yeah, But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's like, you know, it's just when it's just I
don't understand, like you think that Drew Brees didn't appreciate
check down to Alvin freaking Kamara man throughout the entirety
the end of vision, people are ready.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
To call him the best back in football. That's how
good Kamara was. About three four years ago, people were
ready to call him the best back and best complete
back in football.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Who's the best back in football of you?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
All around role, power, poundca, I got, I gotta, I
gotta think for Nick Chubb. I think Chub Chubb is
just a wark course, He's just a legit workhourse. You
could just hand it to. That's why I expect kind
of big things out of Cleveland this year. Martin the
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Speaker 5 (14:30):
I like when you get a little I like when
you get animated. I like when I call it angry Martin.
I like when Martin gets animated. It really goes in
on a topic. Detroit Tigers, New Orleans Saints, Michigan football
and apparently and apparently and apparently running backs and against
me with the NBA, CBA and Rock Purty last year
(14:52):
in the playoffs. Those the most animated I've seen my partner.
I'm gonna tick him off a little more right now.
Average salary of the nf FELL running back one point
eight million dollars. The average salary of a National Football
League kicker two point two six million dollars. This is
(15:14):
a kicker on the average makes more than they running.
This is not as egregious as it seems.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh wow, hold on, stop the pressing. What I thought
you were going to go off?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I was trying to pitch you off more well.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
First because, first of all, the reason why the average
average salary for kickers is that is because half of
them make league minimum and then the others are either
rookies or Justin Tucker right, Like you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What I'm saying, Like Tucker's you know what I'm saying
what Tucker or Harrison Butker or Crosby, Mason Crosby.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So it's like you have these guys who have been
in the league.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They're not signing for major money, right, But you sign
a kicker for three four million dollars, you know what
I'm saying. A guy like Justin Tucker's whom signed for
you know, he's not just a time for the Lee Bigamo. Yeah,
you have to pay him to keep them right, but
so like and then on the other side of it,
you have every Isaiah Pacheco and seventh round pick who
that we know his name, right, all the fifth and
(16:17):
sixth and fourth round picks from that draft we've never
heard of. They're also included in that. So it's now
if you here's what the Rubs should this is what
it should be with the number. What would be something
that would have me standing on my head if you
told me the top ten running backs and the top
ten kickers had an average salary that was even close
(16:39):
to similar.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Now I'm losing my mind. Okay, that's that's not the case.
But I just pulled it up because I know that's
where you were going. That's not the case. So the
average the top guys, and we read it off on
our show on Saturday, they're all like between ten eight
eight point five seven, seven point four million dollars. But
you mentioned Justin Kicker, He's the league highest pay you
(17:00):
kick Just excuse me, kicker. Justin Tucker average salary has
been six million dollars. His cash earners for twenty twenty
three will be seven point two.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Five million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Fair Bambers next at four point four Chris Bosswell five
million dollars. Graham Gano four point six million dollars, Harrison
bab Bucker Bucker but bucks Kerr Yeah, four million dollars.
Coup from Atlanta four point six million dollars.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Joe Mixon Cincinnati Bengals. Do you remember thew your head?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do?
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Was it four million million dollars? Four million dollars? Oh,
it's like, so there's there's so four million dollars. So
there's five kickers who make more money than Joe Mixon.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Just let that, just let that sink in.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Five kickers make more money in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This year, we'll make more money than Joe Mixon makes.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Is the running back RB one for Super Bowl can
ending Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The thing about the Kickers deal is for the I say,
probably prior to Le'Veon Bell and James Connor and all
of this running back market situation, kickers are probably the
most undervalued.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
In my opinion. I love kickers. I don't know why
people crap on them the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Way they do.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You need them to win games exactly, You need them
to have a plus kicker if you're going to be
a serious football team.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah. Oh alright, So like the idea, like, I get that,
it is like not cool, it's I get that his
lame And like I said, I've never strapped on the
helmet and cleats, I've never spat it up. You need
a kicker, well, I so I would saying maybe I
have a different perspective on this the idea. They're like,
I've games come down to three points. Oh god, games
(18:42):
come down to kicks and punts. Yeah, I would just
we just watched it again the Super Bowl. If Kadarius
Tony doesn't walk that thing down in the fourth quarter
of five minutes left to the.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Five yard line, maybe's back across the field PI.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Maybe were talking to Maybe the ending of that is
passer for homes talking about how bad it hurts to
lose another one, right, you don't though, No, no, no, I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
And the way I look at it is this, I
don't and I love the way he saye comes down
to three points. This is how our really good kickers.
It comes down to, can you be money from forty
five plus?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That's that to me.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No NFL kicker should ever miss a field goal under
forty two yards. You're kicking from the thirty two yard line.
You should never miss that kick. I don't left right, No,
that should be money to you. But the reason why
I do love kickers and respect kickers the way I do,
because you're not complaining about kickers when your team drives
down to the forty two yard line and they call
(19:38):
a time out with three seconds left, and they got
to go in there, and you need your kicker to
nail you a fifty two yarder and week nine, week ten,
week eleven, Week thirteen, Week fourteen to save your season
or to put you in first place.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Trust me, I just thought you need that guy.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I just thought about this.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
VJ Let's thought about this.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Joe Mix is making four million dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You remember the Super Bowl that the Bengals were in.
Evan McPherson made so many clutch kicks that he was
sitting on the sideline at halftime watching Snoop Dogg and
what Maria said was the greatest halftime show of all
time ten seconds before it started, watching Snoop Dogg and
(20:20):
Doctor Dre talk about the city of Compton during the
halftime show, and everybody was like, hey, let him do.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
His thing, him, let.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Him do his think he's gonna be all right because
he's just sitting there and he's clutch. Like it's just
I saw what you did there. But the point of
the matter, but the point I wouldn't even think of that,
But the point is it worked. Like you just read
that off Harrison Bucker, justin Tucker, Mason Cross good, Chris Graham,
(20:53):
I mean Chris Boswell.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Right there, off the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
That's a pretty good lift of top seven to eight
kickers in the league.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Probably, Okay, George McPherson in there, whatever for.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Your guy in there, Lutz from or he's another guy
he makes four million, sure, but wow he makes four million.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But you see how on the other end, guys like
Cody Parky, they missfield goes the route.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Why isn't that the same love for the running back?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like why is it not if you're the top of
your craft, if you're the best, one of the best
kickers in the league, and we can't replace you.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
We'll pay you. But if you're your top running back,
don't worry.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
They're gonna draft a seventh rounder and expect them to
turn out what you can turn out. And then and
then blame you. Blame you when the quarterback throws seventeen
interceptions or whatever Daniel Jones did. Martin and VJ will
be right back after this. When we come back, we'll
have some more football talk, a little baseball talk, and.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Training camp is coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Hey, it's almost it's here. To me, it's football season.
It's almost to me personally, it's football season. This Monday,
this today starts to meet football because rookies report tomorrow
for the Dolphins. Well, you know, so my rookies are
in tomorrow as soon as summer league.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And that's when I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, his football season,
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Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I just told maright, I said, Yo,
that's would you love me? VJ? Yes, that's what signs
of the Lambs? Oh my god, you love me? Do
you love me? I'd love me? Do you love me?
Oh god? I talk about a wild movie.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Man die that and Red Dragon and Hannibal all dude,
all three of those. The one with Rayleota where he
cuts a piece of his brain down and he saltaze
it next to him and then he feeds it all
And remember Rale is like m tasty because he's got
so sedate it then he doesn't feel it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
He's got the chicken to Yeah. Oh yeah, you guys
haven't seen those movies.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Man, You talk about some sick stuff that you can't
turn away from.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry to everybody who's working overnight tonight eating dinner.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well, actually, there you go, man, brains is brain food.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'll tell you what that's something I mean. Are you
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It's Shpfield is very shallow.
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(24:12):
mean we're talking about it, show hal Tani man, Like
I saw this stat on Baallely Sports Television West, just
as watching Phil Nevin do his postgame interview VJ. This
is their second, I think third walk off in like
their last four wins. And so think about what we
heard Steve say at the top of them in the
bottom of this hour where he was like the first
(24:34):
time he had kind of floated the idea of potentially
trade and show hey Otani in part because they have
been so bad over the last two weeks. Mind you,
the last three of the last Wednesday had came at
the last, very last second, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So it hasn't been Yeah, they're not just getting blown
off the diamond.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah they're they're there and there, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Know what I'm saying, they are getting blowing off the diamond.
Then less they're stealing victory at the very last like Angels,
I mean the asal do the double play, you know,
and this just happened. He had he had what three
at bats by show in the last three inning, I
mean the last seven of seven, eight nine, four innings.
So there that works out so like. But outside of that, man,
(25:15):
unless you can schedule it up to where you go,
that's the way it's gonna be. You gotta have Otani
right there to tie it and then walk it off.
It's gonna be really hard for the Angels to win game.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And he's got twenty home runs in his last thirty
four games. Also, the guy is just as hot as
Southern fish grease. Back in Ingo, North Carolina, my grandfather
lord rest of his hole. We used to fry fish
out in the back of my grandma my house. Couldn't
fry fish inside because the smell sticks inside too long.
Back in the day, you got to go outside to
fry fish. And that's how hot.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Show.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Hey, Otani is right now, and I just staying on
my guns.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Man.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You can't trade the guy. I don't I don't care.
There's no scenario where I think he's trained unless you
are getting back like a deal where we go what
Like A friend of mine hit me up the other
day and said, okay, you know he knows a Ranger fan.
He goes if if you heard that the Rangers traded
Young and either Semi or are are our seeker and
(26:13):
your two best prospects, number one being the fourth round
the fourth overall pick from Florida, the kid from Florida?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Would you take that deal?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
VJ and I said, well, yeah, because we're in first
place right now. That's added to it and we need
another arm. He said, Okay, what if they want the
whole left side of your infl No, hell no, I'm
not giving up. I'm not giving up Young Seeger and
and and uh and Marcus for him. No, I wouldn't
do that trade if you're if you're the Angels, you'd
have to be getting back talent like that, like all
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star caliber talent.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
This whole prospect thing. You can't.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You don't take prospects for this talent.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I need guys that I know I've seen that can
do it right now, not that hopeful wish stuff in
the future, not for that talent on that guy.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You gotta keep on, gotta try to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Baseball players get traded genuinely for prospects kind of how
decision I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Does it ever turned out so great?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Though?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Can you remember can anybody tell me the great prospects
that got traded that turned around the franchise from that
mega trade that ever happened off the top of your head.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
No, you'd have to go research and kind of really
look it up.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
The Reds are well, we're atop the NL Central two games.
But I mean, you saw my tweet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But the whole point of the matter is they were
from their farm, so you saw my way to build teams.
I got this tweet by Joe Strecker. Next time, just
play a best at Jason and Mike. These guys suck,
Martin and VJ. I mean, come on, what are we doing?
We suck all right? Anyways, love me, Ben Milor up neck.
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You know. Obviously today the news of the day of
the NFL running backs did not get long term deals.
Tony Pollard already signed this franchise tag. You know, maybe
Josh Jacobs was dealing with tire Reports were dj he
was sitting in his car awaiting the deadline to see
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if the Raiders were going to come to an agreement.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I love how he said they make that seem as
if it was close.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All he was was close in terms of distance, I
don't know necessarily close in terms of contract. They were
turned down his longer term deal and now the tag
is there and play for him as well. But really
the thing that gets me about all of this is
and VJ. I know that normally this is your your
(01:36):
corner of our show, and if you're just hearing us
for the first time, you know, maybe you're not driving
around Saturday afternoons. VJ. I like to call him very
online VJ, because he tweets quite often. He's always in
the conversation. I am not online. I read stuff. I
don't necessarily need the post stalking. No, no, no, no no.
(02:00):
First of all, there's a difference between we got to
get back to words mean things stalking major actively following
somebody around to see.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
What that's not.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's not what happens. Open. I opened the phone every
so often, and I see the news. Now you want
to talk about algorithms and so on, and Elon Musk
and why you from eighteen hours ago pop up first
when I opened my phone. Anyway, the point remains conversation
has been awesome all day. Well, you know, you just
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can't pay running backs. You can't pay the running back.
If you pay the running back, you know, what do
you tell ages? Haven't you saying? The teams that won
Super Bowls in the last few years, none of them
had running backs. In fact, Isaiah patcheck Ow from the
from the Kansas City Chiefs, he was a seventh round pick, right,
(02:52):
yeah he was. I'm so sick of hearing this. In fact,
I'm gonna agree. Look, Isaiah Pacheco last year for the Chiefs,
eight hundred and thirty yards, five touchdowns, last year for
the Rams, I mean two years ago for the Rams.
I'm going down to Super Bowl winners. Okay, Sony Michelle
eight fifty four yards, four touchdowns, Tampa Bay, Ronald Jones
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nine hundred and seventy eight yards, seven touchdowns in Kansas
City again, you'll remember Joe Bucks famous call of playoff
Damien Right, Damian William David Williams right, five touchdowns himself, Patriots,
Sony Michelle again the second time he's on this list, right,
maybe he's got these amount of values. Seems to be
(03:35):
he wins super bowls. Yep, okay, Lagarrett Blount from Philly,
Laclara Bounce from New England, Ronnie Hillman and Denver, Shane
Veren and New England and Marshaun lynchon adare Okay. What
do you see in common with all of these guys?
I got it, VJ. Hall of Fame Quarterbacks, That's what
(04:00):
is in common with all of these guys, with the
exception of potentially Matthew Stafford. I think Matthew Stafford is
in the Hall of very good he though I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
But I think he's I got you. I know we
were talking about this before, but I saw too much
of his career.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I watched him. I watched him get worked like a
nine to five or what.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Does he say? What does Rob say?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh? Worked over?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Like we're work over fries against Aaron? I don't know
what right against Aaron Rodgers and NFC North. How many
times had the Detroit Lions won the division? I'll answer
for you answer zero? Zero? Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
So it felt like a trick question, like they've they
stuck one in that I forgot about.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it hasn't happened since
nineteen ninety one. All right, Yeah, I was I'm thirty three.
Were you born No in nineteen ninety one? Barely? Hardly? Okay,
my sister out so much. My sister who now is
an actress or television. You know what I'm saying, she's
a full grown adult. She pays her own rents. You
(05:06):
know what I'm saying, she's full voted adult striking right
now for the actress strike. She wasn't even born yet.
But when you look at these winners of Super Bowls,
you have the Rams who may or may not have
a Hall of Fame quarterback. But fij I'll remind you
(05:28):
because it seems that nobody else wants to. In that
NFC Championship game, we saw the worst non call in
NFL history by one Bill Vinovitch, in which the call
Rugby Coleman, tackled Tommy Lee Lewis on the five yard
line and what was an obvious pass in your fair
Oh my god, that would have won New Orleans the game.
And guess what that gets you, Oh, another Hall of
(05:50):
Fame quarterback in the Super Bowl. Okay, right then the Eagles.
Right that Eagles had Carson Wentz was playing at a
m VP level up until that point. I know it
may sound funny now if you're just getting around to
football to hear that Carson Wentz at one point was
playing at an MVP level. But I promise you it
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was happening. The Rams were playing games in the coliseum.
It was an odd time. Carson Wentz was on his
way to an m v P. That's what I'm saying,
an m v P. Very strange time in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
And know it does right if it was like an
odd times, it was like it was a decade.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ago, well, it was just it was not that long ago.
But what happened in that playoff run? Carson Wentz gets hurt.
And what do we see in the biggest copycat league
of them all, something called the r PO, something called
(06:48):
I mean, I didn't play football, right, you know you did?
You know what I'm saying. Maybe maybe you had r
pos in your in your in your situation where are baby?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
We called it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It was just basically spread off, but we called But
exactly what the idea that the RPO existed? Right? Because
before it was the read option? Right, it was the
read option, and you pass out of read option? Looks right?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I read about it in the book, But.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
No, seriously, Nick Foles career backup comes in and they
figure out and they be innovative and they walk through
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, and now the King of the Playoffs VJ.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's really about a four to five game win streak
if you really think about it and break it down. Now,
you got to qualify obviously, But we've seen teams with
seven losses being the Super Bowl why twice because they
turned on at the right time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So, but it's just it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And how about that the Angels do pull it out
in the bottom of the tenth.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
New York Yankees. That's a tough loss. But anyway, that's
a very tough loss by the Yankees. That is a
tough loss by the Yankees. So but to point here
with just the teams that have won, they did. I'm
sorry real quick.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Another thing.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Tight ends. You had Gronky Kelsey, two of the best
three tight ends to play the game probably like you're
playing the results is so crazy to me. That is
just I just see it, and it's who are you
people who sit there and are like, we can't pay
the running back because it is you're dumb.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Listen, if you even look at the teams that lost
Super Bowls and look at the running backs that they
had as opposed to the quarterbacks that they have. Philly
lost last year, Jalen Hurt finished second in the MVP.
Cincinnati lost two years ago. We all know how great
Joe Burrow is. Kansas City thirty one to nine against
Tampa Bay. Brady gets that ring there, Tampa Bay. Who's
Kansas City quarterback? Oh yeah, that guy Patrick Mahomes best
(08:49):
player in the league in my opinion. San Francisco lost
the year before that. They had Jimmy Garoppolo. The year
before that, the Rams, you mentioned them already, they had
Todd Gurley. New England loses, they have Tom Brady. Atlanta loses.
They have MVP winner that year, Matt Ryan, And I
mean the list just goes on.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Seattle a year right there.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know they have Russell Wilson, where everybody's in love
with Beast Moo's they're running back.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Denver gets trounced.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They have Peyton Manning through forty three to eight back
in twenty fourteen. So even if you just go down
and you look at the teams that have even lost
Super Bowls. They all have pretty much elite quarterbacks. You
have to have an elite quarterback and then you can
have a turnstyle at the running back position. If you
(09:32):
don't have that, you're gonna be in a lot of trouble.
If you don't if you don't pay, if you don't
pay your running back. Here's a number that I looked
up the other day too, as I am working on
a top secret football project that I'm gonna unleash on
the world, and you guys could probably almost take.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
A hint at what it is.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But the day you came on the day that we
went over that one guy's one hundred things to happen
this NFL season and you got to the Patriot one,
I went the hell off. So I said, okay, yeah,
I got got you, buddy, I got something for you.
But something I went and I looked at. There were
sixteen one thousand yard rushers last year, and to me,
(10:13):
I think this year they will be even less than that.
I think there will be less than sixties. And that's
half the league. Half the league had a one thousand
yard rusher last year. I think that number goes down
this year to maybe like twelve, twelve or eleven, teams
will have a one thousand yard rusher because of this
running back by committee that seeps into the league at
(10:35):
the phrase you hate again, copycat league, get more receivers
sling the ball around. You used to run to set
up the pass. Now teams passed the set of run,
and once again, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I
don't agree with it. I believe in running the football.
If you got two backs, I need thirty five runs.
I need forty runs you get. You're averaging seventy five
(10:56):
eighty plays right anywhere between sixty five to eighty plays
with an NFL team averages on this, I need thirty
to thirty four of those thirty five of those to
be running plays. Even if you're not gaining big yards.
It keeps the defense honest.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You guys.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Remember in the Super Bowl where the Packers are playing
the Broncos and Terrell Davis has a migraine and his
sight like goes away. Shannonhan grabs him to put him in.
He goes, Coach, I can't see, he goes. I know,
but I need you in there because if we don't
put you in on this third down play. They're never
gonna believe we're gonna run the football. That's how important
(11:32):
a run. And they had John Elway, they had a
Hall of Fame first ballot, you know, generational number one overall.
Pick guy, and they still knew I need you in
on not the game, this play.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
One play. The guy's blind.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The guy can't see, he's got migrain going right now.
But he is as honest as a man as he could.
He grabbed his shoulder pad and pulled him closer to him.
He goes, but if we don't put you in, they're
never gonna believe we're gonna run the football. So I'm
I'm I'm definitely a proponent for running the football and
football one on one.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
But I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Man?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It just is, It just is what it is right now.
And if you don't have an elite guy, gotta have
some running backs, man, Like I said, the Saquan thing cool.
The Josh Jacobs won that's the one that baffles me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Mark. You have all the wide receivers in the world,
somebody gotta throw them the ball. Yeah, running back, you
just turn around, give it to him.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Just what it's the easiest transitional position in my opinion,
would you agree with that from college to pro? Basically
you have to just be able to learn to pick
up the blitzeres and be able to read the different
blitz package. But other than that, it's it's it's here,
take ball, see hole, make one definitive miss run right.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I mean it depends, I don't know how difficult. Like
to me, we've seen wide receive Like that's another thing
that drives me nuts about this.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
We see whide receivers come in.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
On rookie deals and go nuts, go crazy like Gary
Wilson last year, Jamar Chase right now, it was like
nobody's like, nobody's like Jefferson, I can't pay these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Was a pretty position. Yeah, But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's like, you know, it's just when it's just I
don't understand, like you think that Drew Brees didn't appreciate
check down to Alvin freaking Kamara man throughout the entirety
the end of vision, people are ready.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
To call him the best back in football. That's how
good Kamara was. About three four years ago, people were
ready to call him the best back and best complete
back in football.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Who's the best back in football of you?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
All around role, power, poundca, I got, I gotta, I
gotta think for Nick Chubb. I think Chub Chubb is
just a wark course, He's just a legit workhourse. You
could just hand it to. That's why I expect kind
of big things out of Cleveland this year. Martin the
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Speaker 5 (14:30):
I like when you get a little I like when
you get animated. I like when I call it angry Martin.
I like when Martin gets animated. It really goes in
on a topic. Detroit Tigers, New Orleans Saints, Michigan football
and apparently and apparently and apparently running backs and against
me with the NBA, CBA and Rock Purty last year
(14:52):
in the playoffs. Those the most animated I've seen my partner.
I'm gonna tick him off a little more right now.
Average salary of the nf FELL running back one point
eight million dollars. The average salary of a National Football
League kicker two point two six million dollars. This is
(15:14):
a kicker on the average makes more than they running.
This is not as egregious as it seems.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh wow, hold on, stop the pressing. What I thought
you were going to go off?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I was trying to pitch you off more well.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
First because, first of all, the reason why the average
average salary for kickers is that is because half of
them make league minimum and then the others are either
rookies or Justin Tucker right, Like you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
What I'm saying, Like Tucker's you know what I'm saying
what Tucker or Harrison Butker or Crosby, Mason Crosby.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So it's like you have these guys who have been
in the league.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They're not signing for major money, right, But you sign
a kicker for three four million dollars, you know what
I'm saying. A guy like Justin Tucker's whom signed for
you know, he's not just a time for the Lee Bigamo. Yeah,
you have to pay him to keep them right, but
so like and then on the other side of it,
you have every Isaiah Pacheco and seventh round pick who
that we know his name, right, all the fifth and
(16:17):
sixth and fourth round picks from that draft we've never
heard of. They're also included in that. So it's now
if you here's what the Rubs should this is what
it should be with the number. What would be something
that would have me standing on my head if you
told me the top ten running backs and the top
ten kickers had an average salary that was even close
(16:39):
to similar.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Now I'm losing my mind. Okay, that's that's not the case.
But I just pulled it up because I know that's
where you were going. That's not the case. So the
average the top guys, and we read it off on
our show on Saturday, they're all like between ten eight
eight point five seven, seven point four million dollars. But
you mentioned Justin Kicker, He's the league highest pay you
(17:00):
kick Just excuse me, kicker. Justin Tucker average salary has
been six million dollars. His cash earners for twenty twenty
three will be seven point two.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Five million dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Fair Bambers next at four point four Chris Bosswell five
million dollars. Graham Gano four point six million dollars, Harrison
bab Bucker Bucker but bucks Kerr Yeah, four million dollars.
Coup from Atlanta four point six million dollars.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Joe Mixon Cincinnati Bengals. Do you remember thew your head?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do?
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Was it four million million dollars? Four million dollars? Oh,
it's like, so there's there's so four million dollars. So
there's five kickers who make more money than Joe Mixon.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Just let that, just let that sink in.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Five kickers make more money in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This year, we'll make more money than Joe Mixon makes.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Is the running back RB one for Super Bowl can
ending Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
The thing about the Kickers deal is for the I say,
probably prior to Le'Veon Bell and James Connor and all
of this running back market situation, kickers are probably the
most undervalued.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
In my opinion. I love kickers. I don't know why
people crap on them the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Way they do.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You need them to win games exactly, You need them
to have a plus kicker if you're going to be
a serious football team.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah. Oh alright, So like the idea, like, I get that,
it is like not cool, it's I get that his
lame And like I said, I've never strapped on the
helmet and cleats, I've never spat it up. You need
a kicker, well, I so I would saying maybe I
have a different perspective on this the idea. They're like,
I've games come down to three points. Oh god, games
(18:42):
come down to kicks and punts. Yeah, I would just
we just watched it again the Super Bowl. If Kadarius
Tony doesn't walk that thing down in the fourth quarter
of five minutes left to the.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Five yard line, maybe's back across the field PI.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Maybe were talking to Maybe the ending of that is
passer for homes talking about how bad it hurts to
lose another one, right, you don't though, No, no, no, I'm
with you.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
And the way I look at it is this, I
don't and I love the way he saye comes down
to three points. This is how our really good kickers.
It comes down to, can you be money from forty
five plus?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That's that to me.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
No NFL kicker should ever miss a field goal under
forty two yards. You're kicking from the thirty two yard line.
You should never miss that kick. I don't left right, No,
that should be money to you. But the reason why
I do love kickers and respect kickers the way I do,
because you're not complaining about kickers when your team drives
down to the forty two yard line and they call
(19:38):
a time out with three seconds left, and they got
to go in there, and you need your kicker to
nail you a fifty two yarder and week nine, week ten,
week eleven, Week thirteen, Week fourteen to save your season
or to put you in first place.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Trust me, I just thought you need that guy.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I just thought about this.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
VJ Let's thought about this.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Joe Mix is making four million dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You remember the Super Bowl that the Bengals were in.
Evan McPherson made so many clutch kicks that he was
sitting on the sideline at halftime watching Snoop Dogg and
what Maria said was the greatest halftime show of all
time ten seconds before it started, watching Snoop Dogg and
(20:20):
Doctor Dre talk about the city of Compton during the
halftime show, and everybody was like, hey, let him do.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
His thing, him, let.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Him do his think he's gonna be all right because
he's just sitting there and he's clutch. Like it's just
I saw what you did there. But the point of
the matter, but the point I wouldn't even think of that,
But the point is it worked. Like you just read
that off Harrison Bucker, justin Tucker, Mason Cross good, Chris Graham,
(20:53):
I mean Chris Boswell.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Right there, off the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
That's a pretty good lift of top seven to eight
kickers in the league.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Probably, Okay, George McPherson in there, whatever for.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Your guy in there, Lutz from or he's another guy
he makes four million, sure, but wow he makes four million.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But you see how on the other end, guys like
Cody Parky, they missfield goes the route.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Why isn't that the same love for the running back?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like why is it not if you're the top of
your craft, if you're the best, one of the best
kickers in the league, and we can't replace you.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
We'll pay you. But if you're your top running back,
don't worry.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
They're gonna draft a seventh rounder and expect them to
turn out what you can turn out. And then and
then blame you. Blame you when the quarterback throws seventeen
interceptions or whatever Daniel Jones did. Martin and VJ will
be right back after this. When we come back, we'll
have some more football talk, a little baseball talk, and.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Training camp is coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Hey, it's almost it's here. To me, it's football season.
It's almost to me personally, it's football season. This Monday,
this today starts to meet football because rookies report tomorrow
for the Dolphins. Well, you know, so my rookies are
in tomorrow as soon as summer league.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And that's when I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, his football season,
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pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I just told maright, I said, Yo,
that's would you love me? VJ? Yes, that's what signs
of the Lambs? Oh my god, you love me? Do
you love me? I'd love me? Do you love me?
Oh god? I talk about a wild movie.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Man die that and Red Dragon and Hannibal all dude,
all three of those. The one with Rayleota where he
cuts a piece of his brain down and he saltaze
it next to him and then he feeds it all
And remember Rale is like m tasty because he's got
so sedate it then he doesn't feel it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
He's got the chicken to Yeah. Oh yeah, you guys
haven't seen those movies.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Man, You talk about some sick stuff that you can't
turn away from.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry to everybody who's working overnight tonight eating dinner.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well, actually, there you go, man, brains is brain food.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'll tell you what that's something I mean. Are you
guys ready for the play of the day They come out?
It's Shpfield is very shallow.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
To keep me for tend.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
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(24:12):
mean we're talking about it, show hal Tani man, Like
I saw this stat on Baallely Sports Television West, just
as watching Phil Nevin do his postgame interview VJ. This
is their second, I think third walk off in like
their last four wins. And so think about what we
heard Steve say at the top of them in the
bottom of this hour where he was like the first
(24:34):
time he had kind of floated the idea of potentially
trade and show hey Otani in part because they have
been so bad over the last two weeks. Mind you,
the last three of the last Wednesday had came at
the last, very last second, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So it hasn't been Yeah, they're not just getting blown
off the diamond.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah they're they're there and there, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Know what I'm saying, they are getting blowing off the diamond.
Then less they're stealing victory at the very last like Angels,
I mean the asal do the double play, you know,
and this just happened. He had he had what three
at bats by show in the last three inning, I
mean the last seven of seven, eight nine, four innings.
So there that works out so like. But outside of that, man,
(25:15):
unless you can schedule it up to where you go,
that's the way it's gonna be. You gotta have Otani
right there to tie it and then walk it off.
It's gonna be really hard for the Angels to win game.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And he's got twenty home runs in his last thirty
four games. Also, the guy is just as hot as
Southern fish grease. Back in Ingo, North Carolina, my grandfather
lord rest of his hole. We used to fry fish
out in the back of my grandma my house. Couldn't
fry fish inside because the smell sticks inside too long.
Back in the day, you got to go outside to
fry fish. And that's how hot.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Show.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Hey, Otani is right now, and I just staying on
my guns.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Man.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You can't trade the guy. I don't I don't care.
There's no scenario where I think he's trained unless you
are getting back like a deal where we go what
Like A friend of mine hit me up the other
day and said, okay, you know he knows a Ranger fan.
He goes if if you heard that the Rangers traded
Young and either Semi or are are our seeker and
(26:13):
your two best prospects, number one being the fourth round
the fourth overall pick from Florida, the kid from Florida?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Would you take that deal?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
VJ and I said, well, yeah, because we're in first
place right now. That's added to it and we need
another arm. He said, Okay, what if they want the
whole left side of your infl No, hell no, I'm
not giving up. I'm not giving up Young Seeger and
and and uh and Marcus for him. No, I wouldn't
do that trade if you're if you're the Angels, you'd
have to be getting back talent like that, like all
(26:43):
star caliber talent.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
This whole prospect thing. You can't.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You don't take prospects for this talent.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I need guys that I know I've seen that can
do it right now, not that hopeful wish stuff in
the future, not for that talent on that guy.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You gotta keep on, gotta try to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Baseball players get traded genuinely for prospects kind of how
decision I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Does it ever turned out so great?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Though?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Can you remember can anybody tell me the great prospects
that got traded that turned around the franchise from that
mega trade that ever happened off the top of your head.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
No, you'd have to go research and kind of really
look it up.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
The Reds are well, we're atop the NL Central two games.
But I mean, you saw my tweet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But the whole point of the matter is they were
from their farm, so you saw my way to build teams.
I got this tweet by Joe Strecker. Next time, just
play a best at Jason and Mike. These guys suck,
Martin and VJ. I mean, come on, what are we doing?
We suck all right? Anyways, love me, Ben Milor up neck.
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