August 5, 2023 • 31 mins
Jason Smith and Steve DeSaegher update you on the realignment frenzy in College Football. Vegas Insider Todd Fuhrman drops in for all the latest odds. And we celebrate a massive anniversary!
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Should be well. I don't care how many games I
get to see. I don't care how big the tension is.
And right now, the top of the eighth inning, the
Dodgers threatening with two on and two against the Padres.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Padres lead at three too.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am never gonna love the Padres City Connect uniforms.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm just I'm just never going to.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I totally agree, never will go to. Just had a
conversation about this literally a couple of days ago with
the Padres fan. These pink sleeved Padre uniforms. It's supposed
to invoke some sort of Mexican herriage. There's so much
of that in San Diego. Great, but not quite the
colors of the Mexican flag. So it makes me think
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more tropical Miami. It doesn't make me think San Diego
and ocean at all.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, okay, so now okay, so if the if the
pink is that, that's fine. What about the yellow and
the aqua and the green and what about those colors?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
All of it?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All of it speaks South Florida to me.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, it's like if this was if this was Miami,
I would say, oh city connect I get it right,
that's that's that's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But I'm like, it's one of the worst at AIR.
I don't care, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't understand how how they think that having two
different sleeves of two different colors is something that works.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Pink numbers, a pink sleeve, some pink socks you could
throw in there. Look, guys, but it's just it's just
in the division. You've got the Rockies. They they get
away from their traditional colors and go with the green.
But it's a beautiful picture of the Rockies. You know,
it's Colorado. It's a perfect city connect uniform.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
This it's just too many.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It doesn't connect to your city.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, you know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It looks like when you get when you go to
the grocery store and you're you're, you know, you got
having a party and kids are there and they go like, oh,
I can get all these different flavored Sherberts.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh great, let me get this. Let me get thew
Shrberts in here.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now everything looks everything looks different, like, yeah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
By the way, Kawhi Leonard from San Diego State is
at the game in San Diego tonight wearing the City
Connect Jersey. Just for the record, you know what it does,
connect da. It's three three at San Diego, top of
the eighth.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, Mookie Bets gets held up at third on the
throw and so Dodgers and Padres tied three to three apiece,
second and third, two outs in the eighth inning. I'll
keep you updated on this game throughout the night. Big
A Padres have clawed back into the race here, but
today and.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The wildcard race very much into it. San Diego is
only three and a half back for a wild card
and the Giants, who are idle tonight, only two and
a half back in the division.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It's it's that kind of night now. It just shows
you that if your team is just kind of meandering
at the trade deadline and you add a little bit
to it, hey, look at what can happen, right, you'd
be a team like the Mets ago. No, we're just
selling everybody, which was absolutely, absolutely the right choice. But
you got to think that there was a little bit
with the Mets where okay, if we trade some guys,
we got a series coming up against the Royals, we
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can sweep that and feel good we're near five hundred. Nope,
swept by the Royals, or get swept by the Orioles,
and that that's time.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
It's really, it's really over. Speaking of over, the PAC
twelve has issued a two sentence statement tonight, after all
that's gone on today in this evening.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Blank you and blank you, thank you. The PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It says, in part, today's news is incredibly disappointing. We
remain focused on securing the best possible future for each
of our members university for who exactly eight of their
twelve are gone.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's their own fault. Can you imagine just think about
what the PAC twelve was from. I would say, what
was the beginning You could talk about the beginning of
the year with the USC dynasty, Carson Palmer's senior year.
That was when US two times a really really you know,
jump back onto the on the national scene, right, So
two thousand and three, two thousand fourish, I would say
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it was Carson Palmer and then you had the Lionard
Bush era and the PAC ten was everything in USC.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
UCLA was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In Washington, early nineties national champion.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, they won Don James, they won, Steve Emman, they
won the.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
National Miami Hurricanes winning streak.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Then you're looking at you're looking at a conference that
in that time, Jim harbought Stanford and you know, they
won big games. To Oregon was really good. They were
a national power. And look at where they are now.
Everybody's gone, you know, and this.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Is even Arizona state whose school president has been dragged
across the floor to try and make any movement out
of the conference. Here in fact, his announcement, his statement tonight,
we will always have fond memories of the PAC twelve conference,
blah blah blah. But now it's the right time for change.
It doesn't say where they're going. It doesn't say we
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enjoy our new home. The school president of Arizona stage
just is looking back in his leaving statement.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
This is a case of complete and total mismanagement. You
want to know why this happened for the pact should
never have happened for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Correct, the PAC twelve didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
There's two kinds of leaders that when you're talking about
leading something large, whether it's a country or a corporation
or I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Know this answer, I know this. Two kinds of leaders.
There's a good one and there's Larry Scott.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, it's that old line from back to school. There
are two kinds of people in business, the quick and
the dead. Right, But it's almost like that there are
two kinds of leaders.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Comes to the quick have laughed. PAC twelve is just
about dead.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Is you have leaders that lead large corporations, organizations, commissioners,
and there's the leaders that have vision, that are quick,
that want to grow what they're doing forward in any
way possible. Right, it's how do we make sure that
what we have right now not only keeps going, but
let's look and maybe do some things a little bit
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outside the box. But we need to evolve because we
need to get better. And that's what the SEC did.
And the SEC, hey look at that, and they're the
pre eminent conference in college football now. But that's how
any big business survives when you are not just satisfied
with what's going on. But the PAC twelve was consistently
run by Larry Scott that was just hey, we don't
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want to screw this up.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, why should we do anything here?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You had a ten year run, as if you weren't
the biggest conference in college football the second biggest. You
could have parlayed that run into a lot of different things.
And what did we get? Did you did you get
a huge television contract? Did you push things out? Did
you invite me? None of this happened because the leadership said, hey,
I don't want to screw up a good thing, right,
And that's the other type of leader there is that
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comes in that says, hey, I just like being the commissioner.
I like being in charge of things. I don't really
want to have new initiatives. Everybody seems to be getting
fat and happy, so let's keep getting fat and happy,
and let's not really rock the boat. And that's what
happened to the PAC twelve. They had let's not rock
the boat leadership, and what happened. You get passed, you
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get passed by. And it's really something that I am
stunned to see happen and to play it forward because
we kind of saw those of the PAC twelve. If
the SEC doesn't get on the stick, I mean, they're
already getting passed by the Big Ten. You're talking about
a Big ten conference now that's going to have eighteen teams.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's going to get to twenty at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That has a national appeal because you have your teams
in the Midwest part of the country stretching all the
way to the west coast. That's national appeal. Or people
will watch Michigan and USC, then will watch Alabama and Auburn,
or Alabama and LSU. Okay, well, we have regional games
in the South. You need to expand, and the SEC
is kind of just sitting there and they need to
(08:20):
get on this here because I get today.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know, we're the SEC. We work on our own pace.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, but you can see the Big Ten's become the
biggest program in college football now because of that national appeal.
And that's something that the SEC and all of college
football has always fought to how do we maintain that
national appeal? Right, we need those couple of teams that
are great every year across the country, and USC being
good on the West Coast always helped because that helped
the national appeal of college football. But now it's built
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in to the Big Ten. They have college football from
the middle of the country all the way to the
West coast. They own that real estate, that entire area
from the middle of the country all the way to.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The West coast. That is all Big Ten football country.
Now all Big.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Includes the Eastern time zone actually as well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right, And the thing is the Northeast is not a
big college football region, so that that kind of just
stays where it is. And then you have the Southeast. Okay, yes,
SEC has a Southeast, but they split a little bit
with the ACC. There's a little bit of Big twelve
down there, nothing nothing like what the Big ten has
done now making their middle of the country coast to
coast appeal. So, like I said, there's two kinds of leaders.
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And you see what happened to the PAC twelve, and
that's why they're putting out a statement like they put
out tonight, and it could happen to the SEC as
well if they don't jump up and say, Okay, maybe
it's time for us to look into Florida State and
Miami and Clemson. The time has come because if we
strike and get them, we knocked the ACC basically out
of business. And so we have these three great teams
in our conference and now maybe we're getting back to
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that because we added such three big heritage teams, we're
back to getting on equal footing with the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
The PAC twelve doesn't have twelve anymore. With all these
commitments and movements in a year. It's down to at
the moment, so it doesn't cease to exist yet. But
what the PAC twelve was, what we knew it as.
There needs to be an obituar. Obituary written for and
it absolutely must include in the first paragraph the name
Larry Scott, who was the former commissioner of the PAC
(10:17):
twelve ste.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Guy who used if you just read the obituary, I
got two lot that too light said that wasn't open.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Larry Scott made over fifty million dollars from the PAC
twelve conference and ran it into the ground. He was
paid four million dollars just for his last six months
on the job a couple of years ago. This is
a guy who, while the Big ten created with some
Fox help, by the way, a Big ten network, and
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that's what really started the big payments to each of
its member schools, the PAC twelve said, okay, let's do
the same thing. Unfortunately, with Larry Scott as a commissioner.
Instead of partnering with somebody who's already in the TV business,
they tried to do with all themselves from scratch, renting
studios in the highest priced real estate of San Francisco
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and creating their own studios, meaning buying everything from scratch,
trying to get their own distribution themselves. It didn't work,
to the point that people who were living in PAC
twelve cities could not get the PAC twelve network. This
was a complete and total failure and it's all on
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the doorstep of the former commissioner, Larry Scott. He was
awful for this league.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So don't sugarcoat it. Do you not like the job
Larry Scott did? How do you will?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I think eight schools out of twelve have already spoken,
if even Arizona State, which did not want to leave,
If even they are leaving, that's all you need to know.
We mentioned it earlier in the show. Oregon and Washington
are leaving for a conference. It's only going to pay
him a half TV share and that's still more than
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they're gonna get if they had stayed in the PAC twelve.
Michael Scott was a better belaun.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yes, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
If you could sum up the PAC twelve, it was
the the very first PAC twelve championship game. I think
it was Oregon and I forget who else it was.
It was at Levi Stadium and there was like one
hundred people there.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It was campuses originally and then to neutral site.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Right, and then it was a neutral site and the
first one they had it was Oregon and someone and
it was like one hundred people were there and I'm going,
oh my goodness, this is the PAC twelve championship game.
There is nobody here. It looks like a spring game
of a really small school. Right that that's and this
is the conference championship game. I mean, that's Larry Scott leadership,
you know, all all wrapped up into one right there.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So once we got to a PAC twelve conference, remember
Utah and Colorado were added, and look how good Utah
turned out to be. And even they aren't even staying here.
I mean, Utah has been the last two years your
champion of your league and they are leaving in a
year as well.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Unbelieving, I'll tell you that is you want to know
why the PAC twelve is dead?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Hell, there you go. That's all you need right there?
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A an update on baseball from San Diego Dodgers with
two bases loaded walks and a five to three lead
in the eighth.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
There it is I'm at Rosario now batting with the
bases loaded, two outs, a chance to break the game
open the x met with a chance at heroics. Up
coming up next, we will head to Vegas. What are
the next teams? Who are the next favorites to be
leaving their conferences? All we have all the inside info
you need. Coming up next, right here, Jason Smith.
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Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm at Rosario just makes a play where he throws
out a runner on a like a four bounce throw
to get the at one, two, three, four bounces to
get the out at first base. Dodgers lead the Padres
right now seven to three. Is the Padres bat in
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Of the eight.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's an assist that is not it works work. I'm
watching the bounces one, two, three, four, There is Freddy.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He just add a two run single top of the eighth.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Rosaria a big eighth inning for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Will keep you updated on this, but right now time
to find out what is next in college football, and
the best place to go is to Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Joining us now in the hotline.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Former Rods maker now the co founder of the Bet
the Board podcast. You can see him on CBS Sports
on Twitter at Todd Furman.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It is our man in Sin City. Todd, what's happening, buddy?
Hell are you?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I know we are in the dog days of August
when you gentlemen are giving play by play updates between
a Dodgers and Padres game for a Padres team just
trying to limp to the finish, figuring out how they're
gonna cobble together twenty seven outs most nights, especially with
Joe Muscrow being put on the shelf until September.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Todd, this is how we goes.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Steve de Seger bet a lot of money on this now,
I mean he's got a lot riding on this.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Hey, you know what Steve. I respect a hustle, but
do you know what's a lot more fun just betting
against the Mets on a night in, night out, Mate,
there in the chips faster than Smith does most Friday
nights when he's counting his minutes till the weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You see, you think, you think that is like big
time advice that people have had. People people have been
following that advice for years. Some people have built houses
and bought houses on that advice.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Is betting against the Mets.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I mean, look, the reality, the reality of it is Smith,
We've seen fifty and sixty seven moves at least the
series against Kansas City for a Mets team that's checked out.
But you know, fortunately the silver lining is the Jets
look like a somewhat capable football team, picking up four
first downs for the majority of that first half and
benefiting from the defense creating short fields for Zach Wilson
airbling his receivers just like he was in peak twenty
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twenty two. Four.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Hey, he was three.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Out of five, he completed a fifty seven yard er.
He looked fine. He wasn't great. He was a little
bit better than last year. Yeah, you're gonna stop deceiving America, Todd.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
People want the truth from you, man.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Come on, you know what, Zach Wilson will be a
first ballot Hall of Famer in the US foul, so
I wish him nothing but the best.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All right, Well, listen, let's get to college football here.
As we've seen all this maneuvering over the course of
the past few days, and we've seen what's going on.
We've seen Big Ten get Oregon and Washington. We've seen Arizona, Utah,
Arizona State and Colorado. Of course a week ago, join
the Big twelve. Do you have odds on on the
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next team to jump conference? And where it is? Is
it Florida State, somewhere else? Is it Notre Dame somewhere else?
Who's the favorite that you might say, this is what
you got to look at.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You know, it's a great question. And some of the
offshore books tried to hang odds, but this information is
so volatile that there's no real effective way to hang
a price that's going to be at all competitive. And
to be honest, it's just a little bit more of
a novelty bet than anything else. But you mentioned the
Big Ten in them obviously extending their formal invitations to
Oregon and Washington. I think the one hundred million dollar question
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you mentioned two of the schools that have been connected
to the conference. Will it be Florida State and Clemson?
Will they make a push to bring in two schools
that are academically compatible in northern California with Callan Stanford
and I think the biggest question that any college football
fan has is when does Notre Dame ultimately give up
their independent status to join a power conference, knowing how
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much money is out there being able to get a
piece of that NBC PI that they may not be
able to get as an independent when they're trying to
schedule MAC school instead of some of the household brands
that we've thrown accustoms.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
To todd about the Women's World Cup. We talked about
it earlier, that the US is playing this weekend because
they didn't win the group. It's in an awful time
slot for Fox. It's at five am Eastern Time on
a Sunday. By the way, the Round of sixteen starts
in about a half an hour. Pregames already on FS one.
Now the US is it true? We heard about this?
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We were talking about it off the area yesterday. Is
it true that the Americans are actually favored against Sweden,
a fellow top three team, this weekend?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
They are their favorite to win the game in ninety minutes,
it'll pay you right around plus a dollar five. So,
for those folks not indoctrinated to some of the sports
betting lingo, if you were to risk ten dollars and
they were to win the game inside of ninety minutes,
that would pay ten dollars and fifty cents coming back.
But we've seen the odds on USA to three feet
as World Cup champions dripped out, so England and Spain
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shorter prices there. But for all the negative publicity about
Team USA, the biggest disappointment has been a German side
that I think lord everybody in the international soccer community
with going out at the group stage. But the reality
for Team USA is despite their inability to score and
put up some of those gaudy numbers offensively that we've
grown accustomed to, defensively, they've been extremely stout and that's
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the kind of thing that'll keep them in this tournament
a little bit longer. So I don't think everyone needs
to hit the panic buttons so far. But the one
thing I will tell you, Steve is being a former
Fox employee, I know those executives who are counting their dollars.
But at Saturday night tickoff at ten Eastern, not all
that thrilled that the only people who may be tune
it in a Sunday morning are those folks who are
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looking for their early bagel in Manhattan, or those folks
leave in the Vegas night club at two o'clock in
the morning to see the Red, white and Blue against
the sweep.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know, and we talked about that, Toddy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It doesn't make any sense that, not just because it's
the United States, but because they're the number.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
One drawing women's soccer. They're a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
There've been the ultimate program in women's soccer for the
last twenty years. They're the two time defending World Cup champions,
and you couldn't find a way to put their games
on to maximize the viewing potential for it.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You had to be on at ten o'clock at night
in Austria.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You can put the game on at six o'clock at
night in Australia and you'd be able to get at
least a lot of the United States staying up late
Saturday night to watch the game.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Well, well, that's the whole thing when you look at
the way the schedule has been configured. The powerful nations
out there, I mean, Fox has a lot of day
in the way that FIFA sets this schedule, so that
became one of the most opportune time slots for them
to be in. Now, obviously, if TM USA doesn't win
their group, they're predetermined in terms of when those matches
are going to take place, and ten o'clock Eastern on
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a Saturday night is still going to do some pretty
good numbers. It accommodates a viewership on the West Coast
as well, and it works perfectly for folks no matter
if they live in Los Angeles or they live in
New York City who want to watch international soccer. Now,
when you go out there and you essentially lay an
egg against Portugal and you're fortunate to get that nil
nil draw, all bet, they're off. And trust me, I'm
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sure there are a lot of folks sitting in those
offices Cherie City who are using four letter expletives that
are not real happy with the way this has played out,
mainly because if USA does beat Sweden. It's another knife
in the back in terms of where the quarter final
game will be slotted in the middle of the night
instead of potentially in primetime as well.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
All the college football talk has been a course about
school movement conference to conference. But I know if people
visit Vegas in the summer, football odds for individual matchups
of games college included are up on the board for
you to see, and bets are being taken already, even
though we're not that close to the season. Is it
too far away for people to be so interested in
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college football the actual matchups that are coming up in
a few weeks that comes later.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No, there's a lot of buzz and when you look
at the schedule early on, of course, the crown jewel
of Labor Day weekend will be the showdown on that
Sunday night between LSU and Florida State, a game that'll
go a long way and determining not only which team
could be considered a front runner so to speak, for
a chance to get to the college football playoff, but
also for Jordan Travis and Jade and Daniel Heisman. Trophy said,
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you do have the opportunity to bet a lot of
the marquee matchups out here in the desert, as books
have gotten a lot better in terms of hanging game
at the year numbers. But unfortunately, Steve, given the current
state of the Harvard of Central New York, there are
not a lot of opportunities to been Syracuse games months
in advance, given what that football program has become since
Donovan McNabb and Paul Pascaloni are no longer associated with it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We went, we went to the Bad Boy Mower's Bowl
last year. Come on, man, we're on our way back up.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I mean, look, Smith, you can be glass half bull,
but I'm not sure if Pino Babers would have been
back if they were at boil eligible with no Sean
Tucker and no quarterback walking through those doors that are
going to make you forget the glory years. If the
Orange win four games this year, I feel like it'd
be a step in the direction. And I'll even take
a shot at harm his football program was killed for
four wins given the current state of turmoil that they're
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dealing with on Lake Michigan with the Northwestern Wildcat.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All right, Ton, let's finish here. We had the trade
deadline this week and maybe your League Baseball, we saw
a lot of teams make some moves. The biggest splash
by the Astros getting Justin Verlander. Anybody's odds really changed
for the World Series coming off the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Or is everything still kind of where it was?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
No, there was one team that Tawther ad changed a ton.
The Mets went from about one hundred and fifty to
one to about fifteen thousand to one. So any action
you want to get down on the Metropolitan Smith, I'm
happy to move your money. As far as the favorites
they're concerned. You did see the Rangers, who are right
around to pick them to win the AL West, along
with the Houston Astros move a little bit more, obviously
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getting Corey Seeger back in the fold. They went out
and acquired Max Scherzer before the Astros picked up Justin Verlander.
But in terms of big picture, you're still looking at
the same prohibited favorite with the Atlanta Braves being the
wagon that they are, the Los Angeles Dodgers, and the
Astros the team. Though I know it didn't make any
moves that I wouldn't sleep on was last year's National
League representative. I still think the Phillies can be a
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very difficult out, especially in short series when we talk
about the games, meeting a lot more when the calendar flips.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So he's on Twitter at Todd Furman, that is at
Todd Furman. Check him out the Bet the Board podcast.
See him on CBS as well. Todd has always appreciate
your time, my friend. Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to
you next week.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Always a pleasure. Guys, have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
All right, there goes Todd Furman. So there go my
metsad Steve. Oh, I can't really bet that anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Not gonna happens. Honestly. By the way, we just talked
to the man from Vegas. USA basketball is practicing in
Vegas this week because the Feeble World Cup starts in
late August, and there is an exhibition in Vegas Monday night.
I think it's FS one USA against Puerto Rico. Of course,
Josh Harten the Knicks is on Team A USA for
the summer. That was the final roster spot for our team.
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NBA Rookie of the Year, Paulo ben Caro playing for
the US, not for Italy.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, look at the mix, only one Nick.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
You can use a lot more than that you can
use if you had three or four knicks.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Maybe USA has a chance.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Austin Reeves playing this summer for TV, or sure they're.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Back, Steve, somebody's got to hit threes.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Steve Desager in for Harmon tonight, and Look.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
The biggest story of the day in the last pretty
much all week, has been the continued realignment of college football,
where every day something is new, something is rumored, something
is going to happen, and then today basically everything happened.
We got the end result of what was started with
Colorado leaving the Pac Twelve for the Big Twelve about
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ten days ago. The Big Twelve completed their haul by
adding Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah in addition to Colorado
to keep that conference afloat that happened today more teams
left the Pac twelve. Meanwhile, Oregon and Washington not coming
in getting a full cut of the money, but Oregon
and Washington joining the Big Ten in college football and
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now this is a situation in which we have seen
the Pac twelve get gutted. There's four teams left, and
it's very, very difficult. We spent a lot of time
talking about the top teams in college football, what it
means for the Big Ten and the SEC and the
Big twelve. But let's talk about the little guy for
a second, because I'm telling you, Steve.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I have an idea little guy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You say, the little guy, the teams that are not
involved in the Hey, we'll go to a bigger conference
if you're gonna give us money.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
No, sorry, you're not invited.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh Syracuse, Yeah, like Syric, Oh sure, SyRI Erro sure, sure.
Well listen to all the schools Syracuse, Oregon State, Washington State.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
They all feel the same.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Way, mainly Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I can't believe this is happening to us. This is ridiculous.
I can't believe all the schools are leaving when they'd
be the first schools to say, oh, you want to
us yet, we'll go. Hey, we'll take that thirty million
dollars year TV money. But there is a flip side
to the top of college football and what it's going
to be now with the Pac twelve, basically going away
from what we'd known, and it's now going to be
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a conference that probably impossibly could wind up being a
partner with the Mountain West. And we're seeing the top
of Calf, but you're seeing about sixty or seventy teams
now that are kind of left out because the difference.
There's never been a bigger difference between the haves and
the have nots in college football than you have right now.
So I propose this, Steve, this is one of those
who says no things. You ready, this is good for
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everybody right now, right now to count the ACC because
the ACC is going to be around a bit until
Florida State, Miami, and Clemson decide what they want to say.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So you have a power for conference.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We have a Power four conferences.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
These are the teams that should compete for the College
Football Playoff. Let's call it Tier one. And these are
the schools. They play each other in and out of conference,
and these are the schools and they play for the
ultimate college football championship.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Like what we have going on right now.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We expanded the playoff, they go all the other teams
that are not in one of these top four Power
conferences all compete for their own national time. I'll call
it tier two, kind of like the Champions League in
European soake have the different tiers of champions.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And the Europa League is the other, the tier two
tournament under a Champions League.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I don't know anybody says no to this, because if
I'm Oregon State or Washington State, or cal or Stanford
or Boise State or anybody else, I would say, yeah,
I'd like to play a schedule here, or I could
compete for a national championship, because I know I have
no chance. I have no chance to get all that money,
and I have no chance to compete for a to
get in the playoff for a national championship. So yeah,
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I would love to figure out a schedule where these
teams all get together and play each other, and they
have their own standings and their own rankings, and at
the end we have their college football championship.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Everybody would love it. Hey, if the ACC disbanded.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And SYRACUSS gets cut out in Syracuse and Pittsburgh and schools.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like that in Boston College, Apple State, yeah, I'd love to.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Be involved in that. I have a chance to win
a championship.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I'd have zero chance to win a championship right now,
zero chance to win a championship. Lots of schools do.
And that's the majority of college football schools. You're talking
about seventy schools out of one hundred and twenty five
that are like, well, what are we gonna do here?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
We can't play for a title and we're not getting
any money. You have these schools that get a lot
of people come into games, they fill the stands, They're
very popular in market, and college football is still a
really big deal. They are just not part of the
haves where we have an overwhelming amount of money. We
have all these big college towns where college football is
really popular. If you have that, people will watch. People
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are still going to watch their teams play. And I
would have more excitement watching my Syracuse team play because
I would go ooh, if we lose this game, we
might get out of the playoffs and all that. I
would love to have that kind of stress. I don't
think anybody says no to that.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And if they can schedule it for December playoff games,
you'd get eyeballs on that, just like you get eyeballs
on the bowl games. People say Oh, these Bowl games.
Look at the numbers. It's December, they're home. People watch.
It doesn't matter if it's the whatever Mower's Bowl that
you reference the.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Bad Boy bad Boy Mower's balls.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Do you there are more people that watch half of
these bowl games than watch the NBA regular season. And
I'm not kidding about that. The numbers prove this. We
talked about the awful time slot for US women soccer
the last game, it started at three am Eastern time.
Did you know that that got an audience that beat
most of the NBA primetime regular season games. People will
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watch your idea of a college football second tier playoff.
These would still be schools that we're familiar with, and
they'd be playing each other, and it wouldn't be in January.
That's to me the key, not in January.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They might even watch that over young Sheldon Sheldon and
I'll watch the game. Hey, you never know what could
happen that way. They could pick that, but really, who
says no to that? People still watch. Oh I'm around
the holidays that yeah, I'll watch those games.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I'll watch the Tier two championship between Syracuse and Oregon State.
It's a lot of orange but hey, I'll go watch it.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I mean, it's a winning and you can change college
football because as we'en there's no rules, so no ideas.
You could say, well, we need some time, no, no,
anything can get okay to at anytime. I could get
this idea okay tomorrow if I got it in front
of the right people.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Guaranteed I like this because that's literally about half of
the country, half of Division one.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
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Should be well. I don't care how many games I
get to see. I don't care how big the tension is.
And right now, the top of the eighth inning, the
Dodgers threatening with two on and two against the Padres.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Padres lead at three too.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am never gonna love the Padres City Connect uniforms.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm just I'm just never going to.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I totally agree, never will go to. Just had a
conversation about this literally a couple of days ago with
the Padres fan. These pink sleeved Padre uniforms. It's supposed
to invoke some sort of Mexican herriage. There's so much
of that in San Diego. Great, but not quite the
colors of the Mexican flag. So it makes me think
(01:29):
more tropical Miami. It doesn't make me think San Diego
and ocean at all.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, okay, so now okay, so if the if the
pink is that, that's fine. What about the yellow and
the aqua and the green and what about those colors?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
All of it?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
All of it speaks South Florida to me.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, it's like if this was if this was Miami,
I would say, oh city connect I get it right,
that's that's that's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But I'm like, it's one of the worst at AIR.
I don't care, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't understand how how they think that having two
different sleeves of two different colors is something that works.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Pink numbers, a pink sleeve, some pink socks you could
throw in there. Look, guys, but it's just it's just
in the division. You've got the Rockies. They they get
away from their traditional colors and go with the green.
But it's a beautiful picture of the Rockies. You know,
it's Colorado. It's a perfect city connect uniform.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
This it's just too many.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It doesn't connect to your city.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, you know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It looks like when you get when you go to
the grocery store and you're you're, you know, you got
having a party and kids are there and they go like, oh,
I can get all these different flavored Sherberts.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh great, let me get this. Let me get thew
Shrberts in here.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now everything looks everything looks different, like, yeah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
By the way, Kawhi Leonard from San Diego State is
at the game in San Diego tonight wearing the City
Connect Jersey. Just for the record, you know what it does,
connect da. It's three three at San Diego, top of
the eighth.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, Mookie Bets gets held up at third on the
throw and so Dodgers and Padres tied three to three apiece,
second and third, two outs in the eighth inning. I'll
keep you updated on this game throughout the night. Big
A Padres have clawed back into the race here, but
today and.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The wildcard race very much into it. San Diego is
only three and a half back for a wild card
and the Giants, who are idle tonight, only two and
a half back in the division.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It's it's that kind of night now. It just shows
you that if your team is just kind of meandering
at the trade deadline and you add a little bit
to it, hey, look at what can happen, right, you'd
be a team like the Mets ago. No, we're just
selling everybody, which was absolutely, absolutely the right choice. But
you got to think that there was a little bit
with the Mets where okay, if we trade some guys,
we got a series coming up against the Royals, we
(03:43):
can sweep that and feel good we're near five hundred. Nope,
swept by the Royals, or get swept by the Orioles,
and that that's time.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
It's really, it's really over. Speaking of over, the PAC
twelve has issued a two sentence statement tonight, after all
that's gone on today in this evening.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Blank you and blank you, thank you. The PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It says, in part, today's news is incredibly disappointing. We
remain focused on securing the best possible future for each
of our members university for who exactly eight of their
twelve are gone.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's their own fault. Can you imagine just think about
what the PAC twelve was from. I would say, what
was the beginning You could talk about the beginning of
the year with the USC dynasty, Carson Palmer's senior year.
That was when US two times a really really you know,
jump back onto the on the national scene, right, So
two thousand and three, two thousand fourish, I would say
(04:35):
it was Carson Palmer and then you had the Lionard
Bush era and the PAC ten was everything in USC.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
UCLA was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In Washington, early nineties national champion.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, they won Don James, they won, Steve Emman, they
won the.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
National Miami Hurricanes winning streak.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Then you're looking at you're looking at a conference that
in that time, Jim harbought Stanford and you know, they
won big games. To Oregon was really good. They were
a national power. And look at where they are now.
Everybody's gone, you know, and this.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Is even Arizona state whose school president has been dragged
across the floor to try and make any movement out
of the conference. Here in fact, his announcement, his statement tonight,
we will always have fond memories of the PAC twelve conference,
blah blah blah. But now it's the right time for change.
It doesn't say where they're going. It doesn't say we
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enjoy our new home. The school president of Arizona stage
just is looking back in his leaving statement.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
This is a case of complete and total mismanagement. You
want to know why this happened for the pact should
never have happened for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Correct, the PAC twelve didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
There's two kinds of leaders that when you're talking about
leading something large, whether it's a country or a corporation
or I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Know this answer, I know this. Two kinds of leaders.
There's a good one and there's Larry Scott.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, it's that old line from back to school. There
are two kinds of people in business, the quick and
the dead. Right, But it's almost like that there are
two kinds of leaders.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Comes to the quick have laughed. PAC twelve is just
about dead.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Is you have leaders that lead large corporations, organizations, commissioners,
and there's the leaders that have vision, that are quick,
that want to grow what they're doing forward in any
way possible. Right, it's how do we make sure that
what we have right now not only keeps going, but
let's look and maybe do some things a little bit
(06:35):
outside the box. But we need to evolve because we
need to get better. And that's what the SEC did.
And the SEC, hey look at that, and they're the
pre eminent conference in college football now. But that's how
any big business survives when you are not just satisfied
with what's going on. But the PAC twelve was consistently
run by Larry Scott that was just hey, we don't
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want to screw this up.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, why should we do anything here?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You had a ten year run, as if you weren't
the biggest conference in college football the second biggest. You
could have parlayed that run into a lot of different things.
And what did we get? Did you did you get
a huge television contract? Did you push things out? Did
you invite me? None of this happened because the leadership said, hey,
I don't want to screw up a good thing, right,
And that's the other type of leader there is that
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comes in that says, hey, I just like being the commissioner.
I like being in charge of things. I don't really
want to have new initiatives. Everybody seems to be getting
fat and happy, so let's keep getting fat and happy,
and let's not really rock the boat. And that's what
happened to the PAC twelve. They had let's not rock
the boat leadership, and what happened. You get passed, you
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get passed by. And it's really something that I am
stunned to see happen and to play it forward because
we kind of saw those of the PAC twelve. If
the SEC doesn't get on the stick, I mean, they're
already getting passed by the Big Ten. You're talking about
a Big ten conference now that's going to have eighteen teams.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's going to get to twenty at some point.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That has a national appeal because you have your teams
in the Midwest part of the country stretching all the
way to the west coast. That's national appeal. Or people
will watch Michigan and USC, then will watch Alabama and Auburn,
or Alabama and LSU. Okay, well, we have regional games
in the South. You need to expand, and the SEC
is kind of just sitting there and they need to
(08:20):
get on this here because I get today.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know, we're the SEC. We work on our own pace.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, but you can see the Big Ten's become the
biggest program in college football now because of that national appeal.
And that's something that the SEC and all of college
football has always fought to how do we maintain that
national appeal? Right, we need those couple of teams that
are great every year across the country, and USC being
good on the West Coast always helped because that helped
the national appeal of college football. But now it's built
(08:47):
in to the Big Ten. They have college football from
the middle of the country all the way to the
West coast. They own that real estate, that entire area
from the middle of the country all the way to.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The West coast. That is all Big Ten football country.
Now all Big.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Includes the Eastern time zone actually as well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right, And the thing is the Northeast is not a
big college football region, so that that kind of just
stays where it is. And then you have the Southeast. Okay, yes,
SEC has a Southeast, but they split a little bit
with the ACC. There's a little bit of Big twelve
down there, nothing nothing like what the Big ten has
done now making their middle of the country coast to
coast appeal. So, like I said, there's two kinds of leaders.
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And you see what happened to the PAC twelve, and
that's why they're putting out a statement like they put
out tonight, and it could happen to the SEC as
well if they don't jump up and say, Okay, maybe
it's time for us to look into Florida State and
Miami and Clemson. The time has come because if we
strike and get them, we knocked the ACC basically out
of business. And so we have these three great teams
in our conference and now maybe we're getting back to
(09:49):
that because we added such three big heritage teams, we're
back to getting on equal footing with the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
The PAC twelve doesn't have twelve anymore. With all these
commitments and movements in a year. It's down to at
the moment, so it doesn't cease to exist yet. But
what the PAC twelve was, what we knew it as.
There needs to be an obituar. Obituary written for and
it absolutely must include in the first paragraph the name
Larry Scott, who was the former commissioner of the PAC
(10:17):
twelve ste.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Guy who used if you just read the obituary, I
got two lot that too light said that wasn't open.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Larry Scott made over fifty million dollars from the PAC
twelve conference and ran it into the ground. He was
paid four million dollars just for his last six months
on the job a couple of years ago. This is
a guy who, while the Big ten created with some
Fox help, by the way, a Big ten network, and
(10:44):
that's what really started the big payments to each of
its member schools, the PAC twelve said, okay, let's do
the same thing. Unfortunately, with Larry Scott as a commissioner.
Instead of partnering with somebody who's already in the TV business,
they tried to do with all themselves from scratch, renting
studios in the highest priced real estate of San Francisco
(11:08):
and creating their own studios, meaning buying everything from scratch,
trying to get their own distribution themselves. It didn't work,
to the point that people who were living in PAC
twelve cities could not get the PAC twelve network. This
was a complete and total failure and it's all on
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the doorstep of the former commissioner, Larry Scott. He was
awful for this league.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
So don't sugarcoat it. Do you not like the job
Larry Scott did? How do you will?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I think eight schools out of twelve have already spoken,
if even Arizona State, which did not want to leave,
If even they are leaving, that's all you need to know.
We mentioned it earlier in the show. Oregon and Washington
are leaving for a conference. It's only going to pay
him a half TV share and that's still more than
(12:02):
they're gonna get if they had stayed in the PAC twelve.
Michael Scott was a better belaun.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yes, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
If you could sum up the PAC twelve, it was
the the very first PAC twelve championship game. I think
it was Oregon and I forget who else it was.
It was at Levi Stadium and there was like one
hundred people there.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It was campuses originally and then to neutral site.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Right, and then it was a neutral site and the
first one they had it was Oregon and someone and
it was like one hundred people were there and I'm going,
oh my goodness, this is the PAC twelve championship game.
There is nobody here. It looks like a spring game
of a really small school. Right that that's and this
is the conference championship game. I mean, that's Larry Scott leadership,
you know, all all wrapped up into one right there.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So once we got to a PAC twelve conference, remember
Utah and Colorado were added, and look how good Utah
turned out to be. And even they aren't even staying here.
I mean, Utah has been the last two years your
champion of your league and they are leaving in a
year as well.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Unbelieving, I'll tell you that is you want to know
why the PAC twelve is dead?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Hell, there you go. That's all you need right there?
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A an update on baseball from San Diego Dodgers with
two bases loaded walks and a five to three lead
in the eighth.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
There it is I'm at Rosario now batting with the
bases loaded, two outs, a chance to break the game
open the x met with a chance at heroics. Up
coming up next, we will head to Vegas. What are
the next teams? Who are the next favorites to be
leaving their conferences? All we have all the inside info
you need. Coming up next, right here, Jason Smith.
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Game of the Night going on right now Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm at Rosario just makes a play where he throws
out a runner on a like a four bounce throw
to get the at one, two, three, four bounces to
get the out at first base. Dodgers lead the Padres
right now seven to three. Is the Padres bat in
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Of the eight.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's an assist that is not it works work. I'm
watching the bounces one, two, three, four, There is Freddy.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He just add a two run single top of the eighth.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Rosaria a big eighth inning for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Will keep you updated on this, but right now time
to find out what is next in college football, and
the best place to go is to Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Joining us now in the hotline.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Former Rods maker now the co founder of the Bet
the Board podcast. You can see him on CBS Sports
on Twitter at Todd Furman.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It is our man in Sin City. Todd, what's happening, buddy?
Hell are you?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I know we are in the dog days of August
when you gentlemen are giving play by play updates between
a Dodgers and Padres game for a Padres team just
trying to limp to the finish, figuring out how they're
gonna cobble together twenty seven outs most nights, especially with
Joe Muscrow being put on the shelf until September.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Todd, this is how we goes.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Steve de Seger bet a lot of money on this now,
I mean he's got a lot riding on this.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Hey, you know what Steve. I respect a hustle, but
do you know what's a lot more fun just betting
against the Mets on a night in, night out, Mate,
there in the chips faster than Smith does most Friday
nights when he's counting his minutes till the weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You see, you think, you think that is like big
time advice that people have had. People people have been
following that advice for years. Some people have built houses
and bought houses on that advice.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Is betting against the Mets.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I mean, look, the reality, the reality of it is Smith,
We've seen fifty and sixty seven moves at least the
series against Kansas City for a Mets team that's checked out.
But you know, fortunately the silver lining is the Jets
look like a somewhat capable football team, picking up four
first downs for the majority of that first half and
benefiting from the defense creating short fields for Zach Wilson
airbling his receivers just like he was in peak twenty
(16:19):
twenty two. Four.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Hey, he was three.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Out of five, he completed a fifty seven yard er.
He looked fine. He wasn't great. He was a little
bit better than last year. Yeah, you're gonna stop deceiving America, Todd.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
People want the truth from you, man.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Come on, you know what, Zach Wilson will be a
first ballot Hall of Famer in the US foul, so
I wish him nothing but the best.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
All right, Well, listen, let's get to college football here.
As we've seen all this maneuvering over the course of
the past few days, and we've seen what's going on.
We've seen Big Ten get Oregon and Washington. We've seen Arizona, Utah,
Arizona State and Colorado. Of course a week ago, join
the Big twelve. Do you have odds on on the
(16:58):
next team to jump conference? And where it is? Is
it Florida State, somewhere else? Is it Notre Dame somewhere else?
Who's the favorite that you might say, this is what
you got to look at.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You know, it's a great question. And some of the
offshore books tried to hang odds, but this information is
so volatile that there's no real effective way to hang
a price that's going to be at all competitive. And
to be honest, it's just a little bit more of
a novelty bet than anything else. But you mentioned the
Big Ten in them obviously extending their formal invitations to
Oregon and Washington. I think the one hundred million dollar question
(17:27):
you mentioned two of the schools that have been connected
to the conference. Will it be Florida State and Clemson?
Will they make a push to bring in two schools
that are academically compatible in northern California with Callan Stanford
and I think the biggest question that any college football
fan has is when does Notre Dame ultimately give up
their independent status to join a power conference, knowing how
(17:47):
much money is out there being able to get a
piece of that NBC PI that they may not be
able to get as an independent when they're trying to
schedule MAC school instead of some of the household brands
that we've thrown accustoms.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
To todd about the Women's World Cup. We talked about
it earlier, that the US is playing this weekend because
they didn't win the group. It's in an awful time
slot for Fox. It's at five am Eastern Time on
a Sunday. By the way, the Round of sixteen starts
in about a half an hour. Pregames already on FS one.
Now the US is it true? We heard about this?
(18:20):
We were talking about it off the area yesterday. Is
it true that the Americans are actually favored against Sweden,
a fellow top three team, this weekend?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
They are their favorite to win the game in ninety minutes,
it'll pay you right around plus a dollar five. So,
for those folks not indoctrinated to some of the sports
betting lingo, if you were to risk ten dollars and
they were to win the game inside of ninety minutes,
that would pay ten dollars and fifty cents coming back.
But we've seen the odds on USA to three feet
as World Cup champions dripped out, so England and Spain
(18:51):
shorter prices there. But for all the negative publicity about
Team USA, the biggest disappointment has been a German side
that I think lord everybody in the international soccer community
with going out at the group stage. But the reality
for Team USA is despite their inability to score and
put up some of those gaudy numbers offensively that we've
grown accustomed to, defensively, they've been extremely stout and that's
(19:13):
the kind of thing that'll keep them in this tournament
a little bit longer. So I don't think everyone needs
to hit the panic buttons so far. But the one
thing I will tell you, Steve is being a former
Fox employee, I know those executives who are counting their dollars.
But at Saturday night tickoff at ten Eastern, not all
that thrilled that the only people who may be tune
it in a Sunday morning are those folks who are
(19:34):
looking for their early bagel in Manhattan, or those folks
leave in the Vegas night club at two o'clock in
the morning to see the Red, white and Blue against
the sweep.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know, and we talked about that, Toddy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It doesn't make any sense that, not just because it's
the United States, but because they're the number.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
One drawing women's soccer. They're a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
There've been the ultimate program in women's soccer for the
last twenty years. They're the two time defending World Cup champions,
and you couldn't find a way to put their games
on to maximize the viewing potential for it.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You had to be on at ten o'clock at night
in Austria.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You can put the game on at six o'clock at
night in Australia and you'd be able to get at
least a lot of the United States staying up late
Saturday night to watch the game.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Well, well, that's the whole thing when you look at
the way the schedule has been configured. The powerful nations
out there, I mean, Fox has a lot of day
in the way that FIFA sets this schedule, so that
became one of the most opportune time slots for them
to be in. Now, obviously, if TM USA doesn't win
their group, they're predetermined in terms of when those matches
are going to take place, and ten o'clock Eastern on
(20:34):
a Saturday night is still going to do some pretty
good numbers. It accommodates a viewership on the West Coast
as well, and it works perfectly for folks no matter
if they live in Los Angeles or they live in
New York City who want to watch international soccer. Now,
when you go out there and you essentially lay an
egg against Portugal and you're fortunate to get that nil
nil draw, all bet, they're off. And trust me, I'm
(20:57):
sure there are a lot of folks sitting in those
offices Cherie City who are using four letter expletives that
are not real happy with the way this has played out,
mainly because if USA does beat Sweden. It's another knife
in the back in terms of where the quarter final
game will be slotted in the middle of the night
instead of potentially in primetime as well.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
All the college football talk has been a course about
school movement conference to conference. But I know if people
visit Vegas in the summer, football odds for individual matchups
of games college included are up on the board for
you to see, and bets are being taken already, even
though we're not that close to the season. Is it
too far away for people to be so interested in
(21:38):
college football the actual matchups that are coming up in
a few weeks that comes later.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No, there's a lot of buzz and when you look
at the schedule early on, of course, the crown jewel
of Labor Day weekend will be the showdown on that
Sunday night between LSU and Florida State, a game that'll
go a long way and determining not only which team
could be considered a front runner so to speak, for
a chance to get to the college football playoff, but
also for Jordan Travis and Jade and Daniel Heisman. Trophy said,
(22:03):
you do have the opportunity to bet a lot of
the marquee matchups out here in the desert, as books
have gotten a lot better in terms of hanging game
at the year numbers. But unfortunately, Steve, given the current
state of the Harvard of Central New York, there are
not a lot of opportunities to been Syracuse games months
in advance, given what that football program has become since
Donovan McNabb and Paul Pascaloni are no longer associated with it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We went, we went to the Bad Boy Mower's Bowl
last year. Come on, man, we're on our way back up.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I mean, look, Smith, you can be glass half bull,
but I'm not sure if Pino Babers would have been
back if they were at boil eligible with no Sean
Tucker and no quarterback walking through those doors that are
going to make you forget the glory years. If the
Orange win four games this year, I feel like it'd
be a step in the direction. And I'll even take
a shot at harm his football program was killed for
four wins given the current state of turmoil that they're
(22:53):
dealing with on Lake Michigan with the Northwestern Wildcat.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All right, Ton, let's finish here. We had the trade
deadline this week and maybe your League Baseball, we saw
a lot of teams make some moves. The biggest splash
by the Astros getting Justin Verlander. Anybody's odds really changed
for the World Series coming off the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Or is everything still kind of where it was?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
No, there was one team that Tawther ad changed a ton.
The Mets went from about one hundred and fifty to
one to about fifteen thousand to one. So any action
you want to get down on the Metropolitan Smith, I'm
happy to move your money. As far as the favorites
they're concerned. You did see the Rangers, who are right
around to pick them to win the AL West, along
with the Houston Astros move a little bit more, obviously
(23:32):
getting Corey Seeger back in the fold. They went out
and acquired Max Scherzer before the Astros picked up Justin Verlander.
But in terms of big picture, you're still looking at
the same prohibited favorite with the Atlanta Braves being the
wagon that they are, the Los Angeles Dodgers, and the
Astros the team. Though I know it didn't make any
moves that I wouldn't sleep on was last year's National
League representative. I still think the Phillies can be a
(23:54):
very difficult out, especially in short series when we talk
about the games, meeting a lot more when the calendar flips.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So he's on Twitter at Todd Furman, that is at
Todd Furman. Check him out the Bet the Board podcast.
See him on CBS as well. Todd has always appreciate
your time, my friend. Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to
you next week.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Always a pleasure. Guys, have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
All right, there goes Todd Furman. So there go my
metsad Steve. Oh, I can't really bet that anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Not gonna happens. Honestly. By the way, we just talked
to the man from Vegas. USA basketball is practicing in
Vegas this week because the Feeble World Cup starts in
late August, and there is an exhibition in Vegas Monday night.
I think it's FS one USA against Puerto Rico. Of course,
Josh Harten the Knicks is on Team A USA for
the summer. That was the final roster spot for our team.
(24:38):
NBA Rookie of the Year, Paulo ben Caro playing for
the US, not for Italy.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh, look at the mix, only one Nick.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
You can use a lot more than that you can
use if you had three or four knicks.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Maybe USA has a chance.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Austin Reeves playing this summer for TV, or sure they're.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Back, Steve, somebody's got to hit threes.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 3 (25:08):
Steve Desager in for Harmon tonight, and Look.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
The biggest story of the day in the last pretty
much all week, has been the continued realignment of college football,
where every day something is new, something is rumored, something
is going to happen, and then today basically everything happened.
We got the end result of what was started with
Colorado leaving the Pac Twelve for the Big Twelve about
(25:36):
ten days ago. The Big Twelve completed their haul by
adding Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah in addition to Colorado
to keep that conference afloat that happened today more teams
left the Pac twelve. Meanwhile, Oregon and Washington not coming
in getting a full cut of the money, but Oregon
and Washington joining the Big Ten in college football and
(26:00):
now this is a situation in which we have seen
the Pac twelve get gutted. There's four teams left, and
it's very, very difficult. We spent a lot of time
talking about the top teams in college football, what it
means for the Big Ten and the SEC and the
Big twelve. But let's talk about the little guy for
a second, because I'm telling you, Steve.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I have an idea little guy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You say, the little guy, the teams that are not
involved in the Hey, we'll go to a bigger conference
if you're gonna give us money.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
No, sorry, you're not invited.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh Syracuse, Yeah, like Syric, Oh sure, SyRI Erro sure, sure.
Well listen to all the schools Syracuse, Oregon State, Washington State.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
They all feel the same.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Way, mainly Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I can't believe this is happening to us. This is ridiculous.
I can't believe all the schools are leaving when they'd
be the first schools to say, oh, you want to
us yet, we'll go. Hey, we'll take that thirty million
dollars year TV money. But there is a flip side
to the top of college football and what it's going
to be now with the Pac twelve, basically going away
from what we'd known, and it's now going to be
(26:57):
a conference that probably impossibly could wind up being a
partner with the Mountain West. And we're seeing the top
of Calf, but you're seeing about sixty or seventy teams
now that are kind of left out because the difference.
There's never been a bigger difference between the haves and
the have nots in college football than you have right now.
So I propose this, Steve, this is one of those
who says no things. You ready, this is good for
(27:18):
everybody right now, right now to count the ACC because
the ACC is going to be around a bit until
Florida State, Miami, and Clemson decide what they want to say.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So you have a power for conference.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We have a Power four conferences.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
These are the teams that should compete for the College
Football Playoff. Let's call it Tier one. And these are
the schools. They play each other in and out of conference,
and these are the schools and they play for the
ultimate college football championship.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Like what we have going on right now.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We expanded the playoff, they go all the other teams
that are not in one of these top four Power
conferences all compete for their own national time. I'll call
it tier two, kind of like the Champions League in
European soake have the different tiers of champions.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And the Europa League is the other, the tier two
tournament under a Champions League.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I don't know anybody says no to this, because if
I'm Oregon State or Washington State, or cal or Stanford
or Boise State or anybody else, I would say, yeah,
I'd like to play a schedule here, or I could
compete for a national championship, because I know I have
no chance. I have no chance to get all that money,
and I have no chance to compete for a to
get in the playoff for a national championship. So yeah,
(28:31):
I would love to figure out a schedule where these
teams all get together and play each other, and they
have their own standings and their own rankings, and at
the end we have their college football championship.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Everybody would love it. Hey, if the ACC disbanded.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And SYRACUSS gets cut out in Syracuse and Pittsburgh and schools.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like that in Boston College, Apple State, yeah, I'd love to.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Be involved in that. I have a chance to win
a championship.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I'd have zero chance to win a championship right now,
zero chance to win a championship. Lots of schools do.
And that's the majority of college football schools. You're talking
about seventy schools out of one hundred and twenty five
that are like, well, what are we gonna do here?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
We can't play for a title and we're not getting
any money. You have these schools that get a lot
of people come into games, they fill the stands, They're
very popular in market, and college football is still a
really big deal. They are just not part of the
haves where we have an overwhelming amount of money. We
have all these big college towns where college football is
really popular. If you have that, people will watch. People
(29:28):
are still going to watch their teams play. And I
would have more excitement watching my Syracuse team play because
I would go ooh, if we lose this game, we
might get out of the playoffs and all that. I
would love to have that kind of stress. I don't
think anybody says no to that.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And if they can schedule it for December playoff games,
you'd get eyeballs on that, just like you get eyeballs
on the bowl games. People say Oh, these Bowl games.
Look at the numbers. It's December, they're home. People watch.
It doesn't matter if it's the whatever Mower's Bowl that
you reference the.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Bad Boy bad Boy Mower's balls.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Do you there are more people that watch half of
these bowl games than watch the NBA regular season. And
I'm not kidding about that. The numbers prove this. We
talked about the awful time slot for US women soccer
the last game, it started at three am Eastern time.
Did you know that that got an audience that beat
most of the NBA primetime regular season games. People will
(30:23):
watch your idea of a college football second tier playoff.
These would still be schools that we're familiar with, and
they'd be playing each other, and it wouldn't be in January.
That's to me the key, not in January.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They might even watch that over young Sheldon Sheldon and
I'll watch the game. Hey, you never know what could
happen that way. They could pick that, but really, who
says no to that? People still watch. Oh I'm around
the holidays that yeah, I'll watch those games.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I'll watch the Tier two championship between Syracuse and Oregon State.
It's a lot of orange but hey, I'll go watch it.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I mean, it's a winning and you can change college
football because as we'en there's no rules, so no ideas.
You could say, well, we need some time, no, no,
anything can get okay to at anytime. I could get
this idea okay tomorrow if I got it in front
of the right people.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Guaranteed I like this because that's literally about half of
the country, half of Division one.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Twitter it out about a Fresco phone number eight seven
seven ninety nine. On Fox, Jason Smith, Steve de Sager
in from Mike Harmon. We'll have more on the topsy
turbinus of college football. But straight ahead, a huge baseball
anniversary we have to celebrate.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
That's next right here, Jason and Steve. This is Fox
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