August 12, 2023 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Greetings and welcome. In final hour of the program for
this beautiful Friday night, Mike Harmon, alongside Arnie Spaniels, stored
a touchdown. There goes my bab.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
That look like he was out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You okay over there?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
No, I'm not okay. That was two seconds left of
the game.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Okay, can you calm down because we need to set
this up your beloved Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That's not a catch review that please, I've lost all control.
It took three hours.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We added a bet of the when the excited utterances
and derailing of the show by Arnie Spanier would happen.
I gave it away. I took the under, but you
had control over that to a degree. Uh and it
exploded here a minute into hour number four.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh, it's gonna hold up. Hey, look they're going for two, Arnie.
See that's hard on the game. They're trying to win
the game. They use their time outs, they got a touchdown.
Now they're going for two. Not like the Cleveland Browns
and just said, ah, the hell with it, we'll lose
by two.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We don't care about that. Well, the Arizona point nothing proven.
What do you mean it proves your point.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That teams try to win these games if you have
a chance to win it. Could you imagine if they
just said that we're not gonna go for two and
we'll just take a knee and we'll lose seventeen sixteen,
which is what happened in the Browns game. That's what
happened in the Browns game.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They kicked it out of the end zone, allowed the knees,
and they go into the good night with a loss.
In the preseason openers, have a team final. Okay, fine,
now we have another scintillating seventeen to sixteen score. As
quarterback from the shotgun, gonna go for the two point
(02:12):
conversion and they call a run. But you know what,
he gets the bulldozing in front of him. Here Arnie,
I'm behind you. You're ahead of me on the thing.
So I'm just watching the play now. Oh he got
in for cryst.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No ties in preseason, and look look at the guys
jumping up and down excited that they won the game.
The fans are excited that they they won the game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
The kids. I remember Arizona is also a team expected
to win. I think they're over unders, like three and
a half wins, right, but still you they're down there
by the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's put something in your head like, hey, we're not
gonna be losers all year. We're gonna we're gonna pull
these games out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Prosperg there are their rules implications that we're missing here
for the preseason that have been enacted.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I'm pretty sure there are no ties in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So they have to go for.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Two, Yeah, they you can have a Yeah they could.
They could have gone for one to one in the overtime,
so they didn't want to do that. Nobody wants to
go in the overtime for the preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Sweet victory, just like you don't want to get anybody
hurt on a meaningless on side kick. Oh, Steve desagred.
Do you know this rule?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
There is no overtime in NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No NFL in preseason.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You've told me that before, but I've blocked it out.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think Steve psychologically, it leaves me unsettled. It's kind
of like go into penalty kicks in soccer matches. I
hate it.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, players say the same thing, but I want more time.
This I love.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Because the product we're getting in the preseason means, oh,
we're not getting.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Ten more minutes of that product.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, the Broncos lost, Steve and the Broncos lost.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
God, well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Maybe there'll be some sort of screwy kickoff coming.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Up, miraculous.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We got two seconds left in Arizona, people.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Russell Wilson's going to run the whole field doing heigh knees, squidch.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Come on call, runner, pass, runner pass, Arizona eighteen, Denver
seventeen Final.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You lost, Arnie, I did you no longer in the
free season.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Today wasn't my day. I'll bout it never was.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Actually, But if you repeat something often enough, people tend
to believe it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Remember that George Costanza, you're not lying if you believe
it's true. Oh boy, you guys are insane. Welcome in
hour for the program. There's your little insight as to
how the preseason goes down and what you get on
a live game night. Here Jason off tonight, Arnie Spanier
(04:35):
in for him. I'm Mike Harmen. We've been having a blast,
so many storylines, so much great action. And look why
you might not take a lot of big things away
from the preseason game doesn't mean we don't get excited.
You're losing your mind here at the end of some
of these games for your fictional betch. I'm gonna say
(04:55):
fictional because otherwise you're losing your shirt tonight, which means
someone's not getting litter syrup at the holidays if this
trend continues, which is bad, bad news for everybody involved.
But we saw some things to like. We have the
Jordan Love touchdown that we played tonight to Romeo Dobbs,
all right, nice little takeaway. Sam Howell with a touchdown
pass in the Washington win that you hated so much,
(05:19):
Kenny Pickett with a big touchdown pass, and George Pickens
is going to be a problem in the open field.
Big point of emphasis from everybody around Pittsburgh camp is
that he's just talking about yack yack, yack all the
time yards after catch, see some of the spin moves
in the elusiveness in the open field. You also had
the rookie make a big touchdown catch off the arm
(05:43):
of Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
We never got into the Giants Lions game today, and well,
the Giants played nobody. They weren't tip of the right, which.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Is why we really didn't get too deep into that.
Now there's reasons that we picked things and we don't.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's just interesting that which teams decide that they're going
to play their starters at which team was holding everybody back.
The Giants in Detroit, we're pretty much holding everybody back. Denver,
they were playing their starters for like most of the
first half.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But it's something I referenced earlier, obviously referring to Calvin
Austin when we're talking about the Steelers and the big
play threat and maybe opening up that playbook and letting
Kenny Pickett wing it a little bit friar mooth. They've
got an interesting offense there, dual backfield, but they win
twenty seven to seventeen over the Buccaneers. We'll get to
Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask or whatever. But you want
(06:32):
to do the Lions and the Giants. Yeah, they didn't
play anybody, right, because they've got continuity, right, people came
back to their jobs, right. A lot of a lot
of the NFL, as I referenced earlier, you got half
the league changed out their ocs. You're gonna want to
see a little bit on field work there.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well, it's not like you were going to play Saquon
Barkley anyway. And Daniel Jones is coming back for his
fifty year I believe, so it wasn't like he really
needed to work big ToIP I'm sure in next game
or the game after, but he didn't even have to
get that many games.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, And that's the thing, right, The philosophy is a
little bit of a pushback to old times where guys
are at least getting a cup of coffee out there.
You saw Deshaun Watson for a series. You saw some
other quarterbacks for series. I mean Miami didn't play anybody.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, Well, they can't afford to get tour herd. They're
not gonna go ahead and risk that after what happened
with their injury with Jalen. They're not gonna take a
chance on any other injuries out there now.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But I mean we joked about it yesterday. I mean,
you're at the point in Seattle that Gino Smith gets
to sit amazing. You know what you had from last year.
You want to see what Drew Locke is, if he's
going to be your number two or if he's not
up to the task, that maybe you've got to go
and wait and see what cut days and or trade
opportunities avail themselves. I mean, Kirk Cousins wore everything but
(07:48):
the shoulder pads. He was running around the sideline and
will very odd look for him. Yesterday c J. Stroud
got a little cup of coffee against New England.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Max didn't like the way he looked, to be honest
with you, I know, again it's just one part of
his career, but the way he talked about it after
the game, the mindset he's got a you know, a
lot of things to change before he's ready NFL ready,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, but it's again, it's one preseason game. It's a
two of four showing. And yes it was a terrible interception,
terrible read. He had me said it right, away. It's
like I should have gone to my number two read,
which was Schultz, and I didn't and I didn't see it,
and I tried to force.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
It, all right, Yeah, and then he goes, well, my
teammates know what I can do. Nobody's questioning you. After
one preseason game he was actly like, no.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You weren't reading social media during the game, then.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Why were they were crushing him?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Or was sure social don't you know how this works? Yeah,
if you have one bad like Jordan Love today after
their first series when he ate airmailed a third down throw,
had a guy in a crossing pattern wide open, overshot
him by probably if he was about ten feet taller
with a giant wingspan, he might have had a shot.
(09:03):
But social media immediately, Oh no, the Packers are screwed.
This guy can't hit the broadside of a barn dot
dot dot. They get the ball back, they get a
touchdown drive and now it's okay. That was a pretty
good drive. He showed some poise. He came right back
and threw a pretty ball to the end zone for
Dobbs to go and make a play. I mean, it's swing.
(09:25):
The pendulum swings so fast.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Arnie yeah, what about the games on Saturday? What about
your Bears anything? Are they gonna show anything? And well
Field is gonna play yeah, which I saw, which I
think is incredible, But they'll put him out there. The
Titans are just gonna be horrible this year. I'm not
expecting big things out of them anyway.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know what, I think. I think that division is
gonna be a mess, and I think that'll be fun
for us. I don't. I don't think anybody's running away
and hiding. Everybody's crowning Jacksonville and May and maybe so
maybe the win over the Chargers as everybody uh jack
up thinking that that's a jumping off point to greatness.
And certainly adding Calvin Ridley isn't gonna hurt. No, But
(10:06):
it's a new season. You know, Tennessee is always going
to be sound defensively. Derrek Henry, while he's healthy, is
going to give you a good base. That is the
question of what are you getting out of the passing game?
Can you? But look at the division right if we're
going to talk about Houston and Indianapolis, because Indianapolis is
going to start Richardson, We're curious to see what he
brings to the table here in a preseason opener as
(10:29):
another rookie starter to get out there, and he doesn't
have Jonathan Taylor, and they've already had some injuries at
running back and you got a little bit of chaos.
So it's it's a curiosity of what that division truly becomes. No,
and like Tennessee should be there in theory probably division.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah. And the other game, are you contractory obligated to
watch every Jets game preseason in the regular season because
of Jason Smith And that s actually one of the
better games tomorrow is the Jets of the Panthers. I
want to do what Bryce Sung, see how much he's
going to play, what he's going to do. Aaron Rodgers
isn't gonna play, But I just want to see we're
gonna call plays again. Yeah, I just want to see
(11:07):
what this Jets defense is gonna do. And I got
I'm all in on every Jet game because I want
them to lose because I'm anti Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Now, no, I know you're you're hateful. You were mad
that he became the best tourists that we've ever seen
in the New York, New Jersey era. And I said
it months ago, and it's been tried and true, and
it's now become I think, a truism in our sports media.
Everybody jumped on board. My it's an image rehabilitation year
(11:35):
for Aaron Rodgers. Love me, love me, look out fun
I am. Look at me with my special handshakes with
all my teammates, Look at me calling this play. And
what a wizard I am? But am I contractually obligated?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Will? I sure it's a curiosity? Well watch enough of it?
Yeah right, I mean that's gonna go grab some coffee
and I'm gonna watch the Women's World Cup games tonight.
That's the kind of guy I am.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's that's that's a little too early free. But Pryce Young,
I want to see what what kind of numbers he's
gonna put up. I'm all in on him. I think
he's gonna have a pretty good year.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I have frost springs in my ear, going come on,
old man, stay up, Sit down with an extra extra
large bag of those avocado oil.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I'm not thinking. If the United States was playing,
I would probably stay up.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I missed the PK, so.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm all out of that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What a disaster against Sweden, and Sweden takes down ty
shirts beloved Japanese squad two one. Uh. It's it's been
a bit of chaos uh in the Women's World Cup.
As Steve pointed out, Uh, the ratings have been fantastic. Yeah,
each and every night, folks tuning in uh from all
over the world in the wee hours of the morning,
uh to get their fix.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
They're double the ratings if the United States were still
in it here in the US. I mean, I think
Steve said, what what point seven million United States women
were getting like close to or around four million, sure, but.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
One point seven for other nations. Yeah, the starting at
three point thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Jeez.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That that's some next level stuff. It shows the dedication
stuff we've been talking about, right, winds of change, viewing, habits, interest, demographics,
all of those things play together. So it's it's a
beautiful time of sports, so much swirling around. We had
Messi on the pitch again earlier the next round of
English Premier Leagues started. Earlier. I was watching, having lunch
(13:30):
with my daughters and watching Earling Holland terrorize people. He's
a menace, but you know what, it's not so much
the game of soccer.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It's more like we want to see messay or it's
more like we wanted to see the title of the
World Cup and the women and all that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But if you're still getting one point eight for nations
that aren't the US, that means a little more. But
you're not tell me these people are still just excited
to say, hey, it's women's soccer at three point thirty
in the morning, but.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You're still not getting even close to that at the
regular or you know.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You're not getting that for an NBA playoff game, So
don't tell me that. Don't try to dismiss.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Say they did get it on the NBA game, that's
for sure. I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Just saying you know, like we try to compartmentalize and
we try to compare these different things, and you know,
take it for what it is. It's a big event
and people are tuning in and you should join me.
We should do a live live feed game watch tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'll watch it in bed.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Welcome in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me,
Mike Carmon, our guy Arnie Spaniard in for Jason tonight,
having a blast with you. This show has flown, my.
We've watched some some big time preseason football. Some teams
playing starters, Arnie, some not playing to the final whistle.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Get you in the mood, my friend. I'm ready for
NFL season. Thank goodness. There's not six preseason games like
in the old days, so it would really be dragging on.
I'm ready to roll. Let's do this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
See, now, you're really aging yourself by talking about a six.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Can you imagine six preseason game? Six of them? How
crazy is that? Man? Wow?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm all about the revenue streams. So the way you
go through the CBA and eventually we'll get to our
eighteen game regular season, we'll get this down to two
and we'll go from there and move through. But as
it stands, some teams playing the starters for an extended period.
We'll see some more of that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
By the way, I need to ask you a question.
I should know the answer to all this, But now
I'm starting to panic a little bit because I you know,
I'm seeing you better sign up now. But I don't
even know if I have everything that I'm supposed to have,
like the Red Zone channel, like the where am I
supposed to get the Thursday Night thing?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And what about Amazon Prime? You need? YouTube TV? You
need and I need. I think they still have a
deal with DirecTV. No.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
No, I think if I didn't order the Red Zone earlier,
then I'm gonna have to pay the extra price for it.
So I think I'm would have to pay extra for that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, I mean that's that's how they get you.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah, I didn't sign up early. I didn't. I got
to make sure I sign up for everything I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
DirecTV is still gonna give NFL Red Zone to spar
that subscribers starting in August, so it's still there. Okay,
it was a press release in July.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Wow, Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, just saying that they recognize the value, recognized that
they were going to lose a lot of subscribers for sure,
and so you cut a deal whereby you get a
distribution package. Now what it's going to cost you for
these different things, I don't know. I always get my
uh you know, day after viewing with the game Pass
(16:51):
that they give you from NFL dot Com. It's a
hundred bucks. You don't get to watch all the games live,
but they're there a couple hours after fire, condensed games,
the All twenty two video, all of that stuff. Because
I'm a nerd and that helps me get ready for
show prep.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
That is, I have to I must. I can only
watch games with the Red Zone. I can't watch just
like one regular game or have a couple of TVs
with one game on each TV. I have to have
one TV. The main TV has got to be the
Red Zone.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's because you have your forty three bets going. Be
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Speaker 4 (17:31):
Not only that, you just you know, you have to
see what's going on with all the games. If you
put it on just one game, you're gonna miss out
on all the other stuff. So that's what I can.
I got to watch the Red Zone.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, also, you know, for the uninformed, uninitiated, and I mean,
everybody knows you're unparalleled voice, but you're on Sunday nights,
which means you are breaking down and reacting to big
things that went down. So yes, you need to keep
your head on a swivel in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Right right, I have I was around the well I know,
but I'm a red zone guy anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
But I have the luxury of not being a ranting,
raving guy that afternoon. So yeah, well I might. I mean,
you know, sometimes in disgust, I might pause, walk away
for a few minutes and come back to it another time.
But we see a lot of starters. We know, we
saw Kenny Pickett a big throw. Get a little excited
with George Pickens and what he's been doing. We've seen
(18:23):
a lot of video from training camp and it's well,
most of them have been push offs. So at this time,
he gets one over the middle and he starts sliding
and juking and finds his way to the end zone.
So a big play and people get excitable for fantasy purposes,
right because we've got all of that starting to swirl too.
I've got a couple of drafts done. But tough for
a year on the fantasy football front, is it not?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Or what?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I think in general? Each year, at least the last
couple it's got, it's got a little a little more
u nuanced to it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Especially with all the running back controversy going on. You
you're really wondering when you used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
But you still still do to a degree. Now it's
all a matter of settings, though, Arnie. You know, if
you're getting the point per reception, then a guy like
Jefferson or Cooper Cup or some of the Jamar Chase,
they're going to rise to the top. Right looking at
red zone opportunities, you're looking at, you know, just target
counts through the roof.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Now there's a lot of wide receivers I can give
you close to that time.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well, but that's the thing, right we start talking about
depth and where we look at true bell cows in
the historical sense and guys that can really take on
that mantle. They're not many. And that's why we have
a little bit of the situation that we do with
running backs. And I've been cast as a villain as
a owner, Shill. I just remind folks in the end,
(19:43):
we do have to be fair to the fact. And
I can empathize and sympathize or whatever word you want
to use about running backs and how quickly they get
churned through and run through in the NFL and the
numb But I got to point to the CBA that
negotiating because there's no caveats, there's no exceptions to the
(20:07):
rules as to how their contracts are looked at as
opposed to every other position. So what happens you get
into these circumstances. And right now, Taylor zeke Kareem Hunt
visiting multiple teams, right we've seen him in New Orleans, Indianapolis,
now Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Does he got paid though he got his money when
he held out here?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, because Jerry generally was gonna pay his guys, and
they still haven't ruled out of reunion. You have no
idea if Tony Pollard's gonna be ready, nor should he
necessarily be taken on a huge workload.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I agree they need a running back big time.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know you got Deuce Vaughn, who's an interesting story.
But does he hold up in the regular season and
can you trust him on a third down in past protection? Maybe?
Maybe not? Uh? And then we look at Josh Jacobs.
Remember the the Raiders didn't give him his fifth year option.
It's like said, go, uh, go do something spectacular, and
he did. Here's franchise tag. Now you can make ten
(21:01):
million dollars says that's not good enough.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Don't they want to finish in the last anyway? So
why not trade them?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean Devada Adams got hurt. I still don't know
how seriously that's.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Going to be a question coming in yeh.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But but I mean, you want to finish in the
last place. If you're the Raiders, you're one of the
three worst teams in the NFL. You want to get
Caleb Williams with the number one pick, So why don't
you just trade them away? Then?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
What's what's the win total changing with Josh Jacobs versus
a replacement?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It doesn't really do anything that won't change.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know what I mean? And that's the that's the
harsh reality that needs to be faced too. Right. It's
like we were talking with Todd Furman last hour talking
about Jalen Ramsey going down for your Dolphins. It didn't
make a difference, not in the win Todd win total.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I kind of disagree with that though, Mike. I think,
but the numbers of the numbers are numbers of the numbers.
But I think there's more to it. When a big
time corner or your big time running back goes down,
Like if the Titans lose Henry for a game, you
can't tell me it's not gonna make a difference in
the number, or at least it shouldn't make it. It
should make a difference to the number.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much of a
point spread number they're worth, right, the best quarterbacks are
worth about a touchdown. That's what we've seen, right, right
in six seven points, maybe eight and a half if
you're looking at you know, Patrick Mahomes in a plus
matchup and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Whatever, maybe five points four points, right.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But that's just it, right, it's a it's a big
variation running backs. I don't know that it moves the
line very much. So when we start talking about, you know,
the replacement value. And again it's not to diminish what
these guys accomplish. They're tremendous players. But for these teams,
like eventually the players either come back or they move on.
(22:46):
There's plenty of running ecks. It's not like sag Aftra
where they're picking up picket signs to go stand outside
the next running backs going you know what, I'm actually
a pretty decent pass blocker. I've been working in my
mirror all off season, ready to take on those challenges.
Just the way it is, it's the next man up
is that you may not like it, but it's true and.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You could always get somebody to replace those guys. That's
why Zeke is not signed right now. That's why. What
about Dolvin Cook? What's going on with that guy? He's
he's a big time talent, but I think he's asking
too much money. There's a lot of teams that can
certainly use him. My Dolphins are looking at him, the Cowboys,
like you said, I need a running back, but yet
nobody has signed him. Obviously he's demands with too much
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there well, and that's just cream Hunt too. You didn't
bring up Cream Hunt.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I did bring up Krome that he had visited multiple teams,
my bad that the latest was the Minnesota Vikings. They've
got Alexander Madison, but you can always look.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I like Madison by the way, I like him a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think there's guys that can play that. And you
get to sing lines out of Hamilton every time you
talk about him. Alexander Madison, come on, the fantasy world
waits for you. But it's the yeah that was my
half assed attempt to singing I'll get ready for karaoke later.
The idea, though, Arnie, with these is for all of
these players, like the Raiders are an interesting spot. And
(24:06):
I know you and Plank talk about this a bunch
because there have been some some rumor conjecture speculation that
perhaps they riscind the franchise tag offer and he goes
into free agency and and he can go and and negotiate. Well,
you got both the Broncos and Chiefs that are rumored
to be potential interested parties.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well, the Patriots also looking for running back, but I
don't know if they want Josh Jacobs. I know they
were looking at Dalvin Cook at one point.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So yeah, but it's a matter of how much they
you know, if Dalvin Cook's looking for you know, near
to the the nearer to the franchise tag money twy,
he still on signed, right, I mean, it's how many
teams want to go invest five six eight.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They're getting some bad advice here because you got so
many running backs that are looking for work and they're
all staying by their guns trying to ask for more money.
They're getting some bad advice. Look what Joe Mixon did
said yeah, cut me, he got like fifty pay cut.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well, but the realization of what the marketplace is and
the other guys aren't doing it well. But that but
that's the thing, right we We've talked about it a
lot on the show Smith and I through the years.
We go back to Melvin Gordon when he wouldn't take
his deal and wanted to fight, and now he's, you know,
trying to fight for reps in Baltimore. He's been very
(25:22):
outspoken about this stuff. Go back to Levy on Bell
when he gave up what fourteen and a half fifteen
million dollars?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
What's gonna happen to Jonathan Taylor too? Man? I love
that guy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That but there's another great example, right, people got on
Jim Ursay for just being honest. You may not like it,
and maybe it's not the best tactical move because everybody go, wow,
you do that your best player. It's like yes, but
it's a recognition of yes, you have a deal. This
is the deal you want to play football or not.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And nobody's trade for him because nobody's gonna trade for him,
nobody's gonna want to give him the big money.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, but The other thing, though, Arnie, is he's coming
off an injury leg season, right, and then right now
we're trying to parse out how much of him being
unavailable is that the ankle is still an issue or
if he's just mad, Like where what percentage you put
on the old pie chart?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He's just mad, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But right, but if it's if say it's thirty percent
still the ankle, that's a problem. Oh yeah, right, I mean,
and am I paying you? I mean, I love you,
don't get me wrong, but I'm not paying.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Paying him even with a healthy icle, right, But I'm
not paying to give them the money. Yeah, to give
the money anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Exactly, I'm riding it out. You played a shortened season. Yeah,
you were great four and a half yards to carry
all of this last season, but you were unavailable and
now you're hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So now what you've done for me, it's what you've
done for me lately. We know that well.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
And what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm not paying you for what you did. This is
not a Hey, Kobe Bryant's going to ride out the
string with the Lakers, So I'm gonna give him a
contract that people are going to be mad about even
though he makes more than that for us coming in
the door. Right by staying keeping him with the team,
they made far more than they paid out to him.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So which which back is going to be the first
to sign?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Then? Well, I would think Kareem Hunt will actually find
his way onto a roster because I don't think the
money's the same.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And he won't ask for long term content.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Jo that's it, and he's looking to just extend another year,
get an opportunity and roll from there with Zeke. Cowboys
will ride it out as long as they need to cook.
Is interesting, Jacobs, I think eventually has to realize that
ten million dollars still goes a long long way. And
then for Jonathan Taylor, do you want to be like
I guess you can come back in week ten?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah? I don't know what's gonna happen, Right, He.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Could do the hey, I show up in week ten,
But is that getting you a big deal? On the
other side money and what's gonna happen to him for
seven weeks if he comes back in place?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, I don't think I like that advice. That's not
the way I would.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think it would be a bad move by the way. Uh,
you know, I am five to seventy LA Sports. They
had a little remote for our guys, Petros and Money.
Your your old friend Jeanie Buss was there today, Genie.
So yeah, because Jeanie and I went to high school.
Case people didn't know that, which I tell everybody. I
had a bunch of people saying they wanted a good
Steve Kerr story to never had to be at least
(28:13):
one Steve Kerr reference this year.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get my Steve Kerr reference
in today, though I did see that Steve Kerr's son
Nick is going to be the coach of the G
League team.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How about that you get an assistant.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, I can't believe he didn't ask me. I'm just
shocked about that. I don't know why you would ask
me to do.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
That, because you were a black hole. The ball got
up to you and it was up. Although I guess
Steph Curry was giving people that advice too. It's like, hey,
you got to make that decision quickly, get that ball up.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I haven't. I haven't spoke to him in a long time.
He had him on the show, but now it's been
like a twelve years.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You must have really asked him something crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, you must. He knows that I was better than
him in the high school and I'm better than him now.
It was just a put in between parts where he
played for the Bulls that he was better. I'm gonna
giv I'm gonna give them that part.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Mike at Stinking Genius one on Twitter, find me over
at Swollen Dome, Harmon rants on TikTok. We're gonna get
into our top five rankings and lists, and we've been
talking about what movies and food and all sorts of
randomness in the hallways. I've got to get it all
committed to memory and then get it down and write
(29:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Greetings and welcome. In final hour of the program for
this beautiful Friday night, Mike Harmon, alongside Arnie Spaniels, stored
a touchdown. There goes my bab.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
That look like he was out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You okay over there?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
No, I'm not okay. That was two seconds left of
the game.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Okay, can you calm down because we need to set
this up your beloved Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That's not a catch review that please, I've lost all control.
It took three hours.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We added a bet of the when the excited utterances
and derailing of the show by Arnie Spanier would happen.
I gave it away. I took the under, but you
had control over that to a degree. Uh and it
exploded here a minute into hour number four.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Oh, it's gonna hold up. Hey, look they're going for two, Arnie.
See that's hard on the game. They're trying to win
the game. They use their time outs, they got a touchdown.
Now they're going for two. Not like the Cleveland Browns
and just said, ah, the hell with it, we'll lose
by two.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We don't care about that. Well, the Arizona point nothing proven.
What do you mean it proves your point.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That teams try to win these games if you have
a chance to win it. Could you imagine if they
just said that we're not gonna go for two and
we'll just take a knee and we'll lose seventeen sixteen,
which is what happened in the Browns game. That's what
happened in the Browns game.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They kicked it out of the end zone, allowed the knees,
and they go into the good night with a loss.
In the preseason openers, have a team final. Okay, fine,
now we have another scintillating seventeen to sixteen score. As
quarterback from the shotgun, gonna go for the two point
(02:12):
conversion and they call a run. But you know what,
he gets the bulldozing in front of him. Here Arnie,
I'm behind you. You're ahead of me on the thing.
So I'm just watching the play now. Oh he got
in for cryst.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No ties in preseason, and look look at the guys
jumping up and down excited that they won the game.
The fans are excited that they they won the game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
The kids. I remember Arizona is also a team expected
to win. I think they're over unders, like three and
a half wins, right, but still you they're down there
by the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's put something in your head like, hey, we're not
gonna be losers all year. We're gonna we're gonna pull
these games out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Prosperg there are their rules implications that we're missing here
for the preseason that have been enacted.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I'm pretty sure there are no ties in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So they have to go for.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Two, Yeah, they you can have a Yeah they could.
They could have gone for one to one in the overtime,
so they didn't want to do that. Nobody wants to
go in the overtime for the preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Sweet victory, just like you don't want to get anybody
hurt on a meaningless on side kick. Oh, Steve desagred.
Do you know this rule?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
There is no overtime in NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No NFL in preseason.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
You've told me that before, but I've blocked it out.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think Steve psychologically, it leaves me unsettled. It's kind
of like go into penalty kicks in soccer matches. I
hate it.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, players say the same thing, but I want more time.
This I love.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Because the product we're getting in the preseason means, oh,
we're not getting.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Ten more minutes of that product.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, the Broncos lost, Steve and the Broncos lost.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
God, well, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Maybe there'll be some sort of screwy kickoff coming.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Up, miraculous.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
We got two seconds left in Arizona, people.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Russell Wilson's going to run the whole field doing heigh knees, squidch.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Come on call, runner, pass, runner pass, Arizona eighteen, Denver
seventeen Final.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You lost, Arnie, I did you no longer in the
free season.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Today wasn't my day. I'll bout it never was.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Actually, But if you repeat something often enough, people tend
to believe it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Remember that George Costanza, you're not lying if you believe
it's true. Oh boy, you guys are insane. Welcome in
hour for the program. There's your little insight as to
how the preseason goes down and what you get on
a live game night. Here Jason off tonight, Arnie Spanier
(04:35):
in for him. I'm Mike Harmen. We've been having a blast,
so many storylines, so much great action. And look why
you might not take a lot of big things away
from the preseason game doesn't mean we don't get excited.
You're losing your mind here at the end of some
of these games for your fictional betch. I'm gonna say
(04:55):
fictional because otherwise you're losing your shirt tonight, which means
someone's not getting litter syrup at the holidays if this
trend continues, which is bad, bad news for everybody involved.
But we saw some things to like. We have the
Jordan Love touchdown that we played tonight to Romeo Dobbs,
all right, nice little takeaway. Sam Howell with a touchdown
pass in the Washington win that you hated so much,
(05:19):
Kenny Pickett with a big touchdown pass, and George Pickens
is going to be a problem in the open field.
Big point of emphasis from everybody around Pittsburgh camp is
that he's just talking about yack yack, yack all the
time yards after catch, see some of the spin moves
in the elusiveness in the open field. You also had
the rookie make a big touchdown catch off the arm
(05:43):
of Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
We never got into the Giants Lions game today, and well,
the Giants played nobody. They weren't tip of the right, which.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Is why we really didn't get too deep into that.
Now there's reasons that we picked things and we don't.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's just interesting that which teams decide that they're going
to play their starters at which team was holding everybody back.
The Giants in Detroit, we're pretty much holding everybody back. Denver,
they were playing their starters for like most of the
first half.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But it's something I referenced earlier, obviously referring to Calvin
Austin when we're talking about the Steelers and the big
play threat and maybe opening up that playbook and letting
Kenny Pickett wing it a little bit friar mooth. They've
got an interesting offense there, dual backfield, but they win
twenty seven to seventeen over the Buccaneers. We'll get to
Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask or whatever. But you want
(06:32):
to do the Lions and the Giants. Yeah, they didn't
play anybody, right, because they've got continuity, right, people came
back to their jobs, right. A lot of a lot
of the NFL, as I referenced earlier, you got half
the league changed out their ocs. You're gonna want to
see a little bit on field work there.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well, it's not like you were going to play Saquon
Barkley anyway. And Daniel Jones is coming back for his
fifty year I believe, so it wasn't like he really
needed to work big ToIP I'm sure in next game
or the game after, but he didn't even have to
get that many games.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, And that's the thing, right, The philosophy is a
little bit of a pushback to old times where guys
are at least getting a cup of coffee out there.
You saw Deshaun Watson for a series. You saw some
other quarterbacks for series. I mean Miami didn't play anybody.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, Well, they can't afford to get tour herd. They're
not gonna go ahead and risk that after what happened
with their injury with Jalen. They're not gonna take a
chance on any other injuries out there now.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But I mean we joked about it yesterday. I mean,
you're at the point in Seattle that Gino Smith gets
to sit amazing. You know what you had from last year.
You want to see what Drew Locke is, if he's
going to be your number two or if he's not
up to the task, that maybe you've got to go
and wait and see what cut days and or trade
opportunities avail themselves. I mean, Kirk Cousins wore everything but
(07:48):
the shoulder pads. He was running around the sideline and
will very odd look for him. Yesterday c J. Stroud
got a little cup of coffee against New England.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Max didn't like the way he looked, to be honest
with you, I know, again it's just one part of
his career, but the way he talked about it after
the game, the mindset he's got a you know, a
lot of things to change before he's ready NFL ready,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, but it's again, it's one preseason game. It's a
two of four showing. And yes it was a terrible interception,
terrible read. He had me said it right, away. It's
like I should have gone to my number two read,
which was Schultz, and I didn't and I didn't see it,
and I tried to force.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
It, all right, Yeah, and then he goes, well, my
teammates know what I can do. Nobody's questioning you. After
one preseason game he was actly like, no.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You weren't reading social media during the game, then.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Why were they were crushing him?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Or was sure social don't you know how this works? Yeah,
if you have one bad like Jordan Love today after
their first series when he ate airmailed a third down throw,
had a guy in a crossing pattern wide open, overshot
him by probably if he was about ten feet taller
with a giant wingspan, he might have had a shot.
(09:03):
But social media immediately, Oh no, the Packers are screwed.
This guy can't hit the broadside of a barn dot
dot dot. They get the ball back, they get a
touchdown drive and now it's okay. That was a pretty
good drive. He showed some poise. He came right back
and threw a pretty ball to the end zone for
Dobbs to go and make a play. I mean, it's swing.
(09:25):
The pendulum swings so fast.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Arnie yeah, what about the games on Saturday? What about
your Bears anything? Are they gonna show anything? And well
Field is gonna play yeah, which I saw, which I
think is incredible, But they'll put him out there. The
Titans are just gonna be horrible this year. I'm not
expecting big things out of them anyway.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know what, I think. I think that division is
gonna be a mess, and I think that'll be fun
for us. I don't. I don't think anybody's running away
and hiding. Everybody's crowning Jacksonville and May and maybe so
maybe the win over the Chargers as everybody uh jack
up thinking that that's a jumping off point to greatness.
And certainly adding Calvin Ridley isn't gonna hurt. No, But
(10:06):
it's a new season. You know, Tennessee is always going
to be sound defensively. Derrek Henry, while he's healthy, is
going to give you a good base. That is the
question of what are you getting out of the passing game?
Can you? But look at the division right if we're
going to talk about Houston and Indianapolis, because Indianapolis is
going to start Richardson, We're curious to see what he
brings to the table here in a preseason opener as
(10:29):
another rookie starter to get out there, and he doesn't
have Jonathan Taylor, and they've already had some injuries at
running back and you got a little bit of chaos.
So it's it's a curiosity of what that division truly becomes. No,
and like Tennessee should be there in theory probably division.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah. And the other game, are you contractory obligated to
watch every Jets game preseason in the regular season because
of Jason Smith And that s actually one of the
better games tomorrow is the Jets of the Panthers. I
want to do what Bryce Sung, see how much he's
going to play, what he's going to do. Aaron Rodgers
isn't gonna play, But I just want to see we're
gonna call plays again. Yeah, I just want to see
(11:07):
what this Jets defense is gonna do. And I got
I'm all in on every Jet game because I want
them to lose because I'm anti Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Now, no, I know you're you're hateful. You were mad
that he became the best tourists that we've ever seen
in the New York, New Jersey era. And I said
it months ago, and it's been tried and true, and
it's now become I think, a truism in our sports media.
Everybody jumped on board. My it's an image rehabilitation year
(11:35):
for Aaron Rodgers. Love me, love me, look out fun
I am. Look at me with my special handshakes with
all my teammates, Look at me calling this play. And
what a wizard I am? But am I contractually obligated?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Will? I sure it's a curiosity? Well watch enough of it?
Yeah right, I mean that's gonna go grab some coffee
and I'm gonna watch the Women's World Cup games tonight.
That's the kind of guy I am.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's that's that's a little too early free. But Pryce Young,
I want to see what what kind of numbers he's
gonna put up. I'm all in on him. I think
he's gonna have a pretty good year.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I have frost springs in my ear, going come on,
old man, stay up, Sit down with an extra extra
large bag of those avocado oil.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I'm not thinking. If the United States was playing,
I would probably stay up.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I missed the PK, so.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm all out of that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
What a disaster against Sweden, and Sweden takes down ty
shirts beloved Japanese squad two one. Uh. It's it's been
a bit of chaos uh in the Women's World Cup.
As Steve pointed out, Uh, the ratings have been fantastic. Yeah,
each and every night, folks tuning in uh from all
over the world in the wee hours of the morning,
uh to get their fix.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
They're double the ratings if the United States were still
in it here in the US. I mean, I think
Steve said, what what point seven million United States women
were getting like close to or around four million, sure, but.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
One point seven for other nations. Yeah, the starting at
three point thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Jeez.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That that's some next level stuff. It shows the dedication
stuff we've been talking about, right, winds of change, viewing, habits, interest, demographics,
all of those things play together. So it's it's a
beautiful time of sports, so much swirling around. We had
Messi on the pitch again earlier the next round of
English Premier Leagues started. Earlier. I was watching, having lunch
(13:30):
with my daughters and watching Earling Holland terrorize people. He's
a menace, but you know what, it's not so much
the game of soccer.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It's more like we want to see messay or it's
more like we wanted to see the title of the
World Cup and the women and all that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But if you're still getting one point eight for nations
that aren't the US, that means a little more. But
you're not tell me these people are still just excited
to say, hey, it's women's soccer at three point thirty
in the morning, but.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You're still not getting even close to that at the
regular or you know.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You're not getting that for an NBA playoff game, So
don't tell me that. Don't try to dismiss.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Say they did get it on the NBA game, that's
for sure. I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Just saying you know, like we try to compartmentalize and
we try to compare these different things, and you know,
take it for what it is. It's a big event
and people are tuning in and you should join me.
We should do a live live feed game watch tonight.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'll watch it in bed.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Welcome in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me,
Mike Carmon, our guy Arnie Spaniard in for Jason tonight,
having a blast with you. This show has flown, my.
We've watched some some big time preseason football. Some teams
playing starters, Arnie, some not playing to the final whistle.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Get you in the mood, my friend. I'm ready for
NFL season. Thank goodness. There's not six preseason games like
in the old days, so it would really be dragging on.
I'm ready to roll. Let's do this.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
See, now, you're really aging yourself by talking about a six.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Can you imagine six preseason game? Six of them? How
crazy is that? Man? Wow?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm all about the revenue streams. So the way you
go through the CBA and eventually we'll get to our
eighteen game regular season, we'll get this down to two
and we'll go from there and move through. But as
it stands, some teams playing the starters for an extended period.
We'll see some more of that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
By the way, I need to ask you a question.
I should know the answer to all this, But now
I'm starting to panic a little bit because I you know,
I'm seeing you better sign up now. But I don't
even know if I have everything that I'm supposed to have,
like the Red Zone channel, like the where am I
supposed to get the Thursday Night thing?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And what about Amazon Prime? You need? YouTube TV? You
need and I need. I think they still have a
deal with DirecTV. No.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
No, I think if I didn't order the Red Zone earlier,
then I'm gonna have to pay the extra price for it.
So I think I'm would have to pay extra for that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, I mean that's that's how they get you.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah, I didn't sign up early. I didn't. I got
to make sure I sign up for everything I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
DirecTV is still gonna give NFL Red Zone to spar
that subscribers starting in August, so it's still there. Okay,
it was a press release in July.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Wow, Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, just saying that they recognize the value, recognized that
they were going to lose a lot of subscribers for sure,
and so you cut a deal whereby you get a
distribution package. Now what it's going to cost you for
these different things, I don't know. I always get my
uh you know, day after viewing with the game Pass
(16:51):
that they give you from NFL dot Com. It's a
hundred bucks. You don't get to watch all the games live,
but they're there a couple hours after fire, condensed games,
the All twenty two video, all of that stuff. Because
I'm a nerd and that helps me get ready for
show prep.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
That is, I have to I must. I can only
watch games with the Red Zone. I can't watch just
like one regular game or have a couple of TVs
with one game on each TV. I have to have
one TV. The main TV has got to be the
Red Zone.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
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Speaker 4 (17:31):
Not only that, you just you know, you have to
see what's going on with all the games. If you
put it on just one game, you're gonna miss out
on all the other stuff. So that's what I can.
I got to watch the Red Zone.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, also, you know, for the uninformed, uninitiated, and I mean,
everybody knows you're unparalleled voice, but you're on Sunday nights,
which means you are breaking down and reacting to big
things that went down. So yes, you need to keep
your head on a swivel in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Right right, I have I was around the well I know,
but I'm a red zone guy anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
But I have the luxury of not being a ranting,
raving guy that afternoon. So yeah, well I might. I mean,
you know, sometimes in disgust, I might pause, walk away
for a few minutes and come back to it another time.
But we see a lot of starters. We know, we
saw Kenny Pickett a big throw. Get a little excited
with George Pickens and what he's been doing. We've seen
(18:23):
a lot of video from training camp and it's well,
most of them have been push offs. So at this time,
he gets one over the middle and he starts sliding
and juking and finds his way to the end zone.
So a big play and people get excitable for fantasy purposes,
right because we've got all of that starting to swirl too.
I've got a couple of drafts done. But tough for
a year on the fantasy football front, is it not?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Or what?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I think in general? Each year, at least the last
couple it's got, it's got a little a little more
u nuanced to it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Especially with all the running back controversy going on. You
you're really wondering when you used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
But you still still do to a degree. Now it's
all a matter of settings, though, Arnie. You know, if
you're getting the point per reception, then a guy like
Jefferson or Cooper Cup or some of the Jamar Chase,
they're going to rise to the top. Right looking at
red zone opportunities, you're looking at, you know, just target
counts through the roof.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Now there's a lot of wide receivers I can give
you close to that time.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well, but that's the thing, right we start talking about
depth and where we look at true bell cows in
the historical sense and guys that can really take on
that mantle. They're not many. And that's why we have
a little bit of the situation that we do with
running backs. And I've been cast as a villain as
a owner, Shill. I just remind folks in the end,
(19:43):
we do have to be fair to the fact. And
I can empathize and sympathize or whatever word you want
to use about running backs and how quickly they get
churned through and run through in the NFL and the
numb But I got to point to the CBA that
negotiating because there's no caveats, there's no exceptions to the
(20:07):
rules as to how their contracts are looked at as
opposed to every other position. So what happens you get
into these circumstances. And right now, Taylor zeke Kareem Hunt
visiting multiple teams, right we've seen him in New Orleans, Indianapolis,
now Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Does he got paid though he got his money when
he held out here?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, because Jerry generally was gonna pay his guys, and
they still haven't ruled out of reunion. You have no
idea if Tony Pollard's gonna be ready, nor should he
necessarily be taken on a huge workload.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I agree they need a running back big time.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know you got Deuce Vaughn, who's an interesting story.
But does he hold up in the regular season and
can you trust him on a third down in past protection? Maybe?
Maybe not? Uh? And then we look at Josh Jacobs.
Remember the the Raiders didn't give him his fifth year option.
It's like said, go, uh, go do something spectacular, and
he did. Here's franchise tag. Now you can make ten
(21:01):
million dollars says that's not good enough.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Don't they want to finish in the last anyway? So
why not trade them?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean Devada Adams got hurt. I still don't know
how seriously that's.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Going to be a question coming in yeh.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But but I mean, you want to finish in the
last place. If you're the Raiders, you're one of the
three worst teams in the NFL. You want to get
Caleb Williams with the number one pick, So why don't
you just trade them away? Then?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
What's what's the win total changing with Josh Jacobs versus
a replacement?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It doesn't really do anything that won't change.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know what I mean? And that's the that's the
harsh reality that needs to be faced too. Right. It's
like we were talking with Todd Furman last hour talking
about Jalen Ramsey going down for your Dolphins. It didn't
make a difference, not in the win Todd win total.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I kind of disagree with that though, Mike. I think,
but the numbers of the numbers are numbers of the numbers.
But I think there's more to it. When a big
time corner or your big time running back goes down,
Like if the Titans lose Henry for a game, you
can't tell me it's not gonna make a difference in
the number, or at least it shouldn't make it. It
should make a difference to the number.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much of a
point spread number they're worth, right, the best quarterbacks are
worth about a touchdown. That's what we've seen, right, right
in six seven points, maybe eight and a half if
you're looking at you know, Patrick Mahomes in a plus
matchup and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Whatever, maybe five points four points, right.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But that's just it, right, it's a it's a big
variation running backs. I don't know that it moves the
line very much. So when we start talking about, you know,
the replacement value. And again it's not to diminish what
these guys accomplish. They're tremendous players. But for these teams,
like eventually the players either come back or they move on.
(22:46):
There's plenty of running ecks. It's not like sag Aftra
where they're picking up picket signs to go stand outside
the next running backs going you know what, I'm actually
a pretty decent pass blocker. I've been working in my
mirror all off season, ready to take on those challenges.
Just the way it is, it's the next man up
is that you may not like it, but it's true and.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You could always get somebody to replace those guys. That's
why Zeke is not signed right now. That's why. What
about Dolvin Cook? What's going on with that guy? He's
he's a big time talent, but I think he's asking
too much money. There's a lot of teams that can
certainly use him. My Dolphins are looking at him, the Cowboys,
like you said, I need a running back, but yet
nobody has signed him. Obviously he's demands with too much
(23:28):
there well, and that's just cream Hunt too. You didn't
bring up Cream Hunt.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I did bring up Krome that he had visited multiple teams,
my bad that the latest was the Minnesota Vikings. They've
got Alexander Madison, but you can always look.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I like Madison by the way, I like him a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think there's guys that can play that. And you
get to sing lines out of Hamilton every time you
talk about him. Alexander Madison, come on, the fantasy world
waits for you. But it's the yeah that was my
half assed attempt to singing I'll get ready for karaoke later.
The idea, though, Arnie, with these is for all of
these players, like the Raiders are an interesting spot. And
(24:06):
I know you and Plank talk about this a bunch
because there have been some some rumor conjecture speculation that
perhaps they riscind the franchise tag offer and he goes
into free agency and and he can go and and negotiate. Well,
you got both the Broncos and Chiefs that are rumored
to be potential interested parties.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well, the Patriots also looking for running back, but I
don't know if they want Josh Jacobs. I know they
were looking at Dalvin Cook at one point.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So yeah, but it's a matter of how much they
you know, if Dalvin Cook's looking for you know, near
to the the nearer to the franchise tag money twy,
he still on signed, right, I mean, it's how many
teams want to go invest five six eight.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They're getting some bad advice here because you got so
many running backs that are looking for work and they're
all staying by their guns trying to ask for more money.
They're getting some bad advice. Look what Joe Mixon did
said yeah, cut me, he got like fifty pay cut.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well, but the realization of what the marketplace is and
the other guys aren't doing it well. But that but
that's the thing, right we We've talked about it a
lot on the show Smith and I through the years.
We go back to Melvin Gordon when he wouldn't take
his deal and wanted to fight, and now he's, you know,
trying to fight for reps in Baltimore. He's been very
(25:22):
outspoken about this stuff. Go back to Levy on Bell
when he gave up what fourteen and a half fifteen
million dollars?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
What's gonna happen to Jonathan Taylor too? Man? I love
that guy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
That but there's another great example, right, people got on
Jim Ursay for just being honest. You may not like it,
and maybe it's not the best tactical move because everybody go, wow,
you do that your best player. It's like yes, but
it's a recognition of yes, you have a deal. This
is the deal you want to play football or not.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And nobody's trade for him because nobody's gonna trade for him,
nobody's gonna want to give him the big money.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, but The other thing, though, Arnie, is he's coming
off an injury leg season, right, and then right now
we're trying to parse out how much of him being
unavailable is that the ankle is still an issue or
if he's just mad, Like where what percentage you put
on the old pie chart?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He's just mad, I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But right, but if it's if say it's thirty percent
still the ankle, that's a problem. Oh yeah, right, I mean,
and am I paying you? I mean, I love you,
don't get me wrong, but I'm not paying.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Paying him even with a healthy icle, right, But I'm
not paying to give them the money. Yeah, to give
the money anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Exactly, I'm riding it out. You played a shortened season. Yeah,
you were great four and a half yards to carry
all of this last season, but you were unavailable and
now you're hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So now what you've done for me, it's what you've
done for me lately. We know that well.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
And what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I'm not paying you for what you did. This is
not a Hey, Kobe Bryant's going to ride out the
string with the Lakers, So I'm gonna give him a
contract that people are going to be mad about even
though he makes more than that for us coming in
the door. Right by staying keeping him with the team,
they made far more than they paid out to him.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So which which back is going to be the first
to sign?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Then? Well, I would think Kareem Hunt will actually find
his way onto a roster because I don't think the
money's the same.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And he won't ask for long term content.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Jo that's it, and he's looking to just extend another year,
get an opportunity and roll from there with Zeke. Cowboys
will ride it out as long as they need to cook.
Is interesting, Jacobs, I think eventually has to realize that
ten million dollars still goes a long long way. And
then for Jonathan Taylor, do you want to be like
I guess you can come back in week ten?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah? I don't know what's gonna happen, Right, He.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Could do the hey, I show up in week ten,
But is that getting you a big deal? On the
other side money and what's gonna happen to him for
seven weeks if he comes back in place?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, I don't think I like that advice. That's not
the way I would.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think it would be a bad move by the way. Uh,
you know, I am five to seventy LA Sports. They
had a little remote for our guys, Petros and Money.
Your your old friend Jeanie Buss was there today, Genie.
So yeah, because Jeanie and I went to high school.
Case people didn't know that, which I tell everybody. I
had a bunch of people saying they wanted a good
Steve Kerr story to never had to be at least
(28:13):
one Steve Kerr reference this year.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get my Steve Kerr reference
in today, though I did see that Steve Kerr's son
Nick is going to be the coach of the G
League team.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How about that you get an assistant.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, I can't believe he didn't ask me. I'm just
shocked about that. I don't know why you would ask
me to do.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
That, because you were a black hole. The ball got
up to you and it was up. Although I guess
Steph Curry was giving people that advice too. It's like, hey,
you got to make that decision quickly, get that ball up.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I haven't. I haven't spoke to him in a long time.
He had him on the show, but now it's been
like a twelve years.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You must have really asked him something crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, you must. He knows that I was better than
him in the high school and I'm better than him now.
It was just a put in between parts where he
played for the Bulls that he was better. I'm gonna
giv I'm gonna give them that part.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Mike at Stinking Genius one on Twitter, find me over
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into our top five rankings and lists, and we've been
talking about what movies and food and all sorts of
randomness in the hallways. I've got to get it all
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(29:23):
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