August 16, 2023 • 33 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon give you all the latest details on the Michael Oher/Tuohy's/Blind Side mess. The Dodgers have now won 9 straight games. Plus, the progressive play of the night.
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Speaker 4 (01:02):
Mike Harbon, that guy that finished third on America's Got Talent.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, well hey I think he I think they realized.
Maybe they screwed it up. Hey, hey, hey, you know,
I don't know if you know this or not. Michael
Jordan got cut from his JV basket.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How dare you just so you know? I mean it,
so you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Always know what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
This he could be this could be the.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I did that though. I dig that about you. Yeah,
very excited for you. This is really like you've already
won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, it is like I said, we're the greatest off
season team in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, greatest off season team.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And then hang a banner, greatest team off season, build
yourself a trophy to print the merch Yes, print it all,
print it all.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So again, we'll have more on the Jets. You know,
I love being able to say that it being legit.
Uh coming up in a bit because there is a
there is something to know tonight coming off of Hard
Knocks versus Netflix's Quarterback, because that's suddenly becoming a big
battle and there's some clarity now and stuff we want
to get to with that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
But you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Biggest sports story of the last twenty four to thirty
six hours also happens to be the biggest pop culture
story of the last twenty four to thirty six hours.
And that's all this drama with The blind Side. Michael
Orr the subject of the book written by Michael Lewis,
the evolution of a left tackle that was turned into
a movie that Sandra Bullock won Best Actress for back
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in two thousand and nine. We talked about it last night.
Look the blind Side best sports book I've ever read.
It had sports, it had inside sports if you like it.
It was about family, it was about the Foster system.
It was incredibly interesting. It's Michael Lewis's dark side of
the Moon. It's his from a guy that's written a
lot of other great books. This is his masterpiece Moneyball.
(02:51):
Much better movie than a book because the book was
a little dry. I gotta be honest. The book was
a little dry, but.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
The movie, well, the book didn't have Margot Robbie, did
not have.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Margot Robbie in a bubble bath explaining what, you know,
what a big short was. So yesterday we find out
that Michael lare and look, Michael Laure's story was he
was a you know, a kid in the Foster system
and having difficulty. He was very adept at football and
the Towey family adopted him and Or took him in
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and took care of him as he went through his
high school career and then getting being able to play
football at Ole Miss, and then the ted decade year
long career he had in the National Football He they
included winning the Super Bowl. And yesterday we find out
that our big happy ending of Blindside, where Michael Lore
found a family and the family found Michael Ore, now
that's been ripped asunder now because Michael lare Is is
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trying to get money from the Towey family, who he
says have profited off of his story and the movie.
They made money off of the blind Side movie that
he never got to see. He said that he had
been looking into this since twenty sixteen when he retired
from the league, and now here he is and he
found out that he wasn't really adopted by the Towey family.
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It was a conservatorship which allowed them to maintain control
over him and make money off of his story, his
likeness and on down.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
The road right make deals in his name.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, they were able to profit, and according to Michael Or,
he has not seen any of the money. The Towey
family saw a lot of money, and he is bringing
a suit against them because he wants to get his
fair share of what they have made off of the movie. Now,
Lee and Tooey as an author and she's a public speaker,
and Sean Tooey was a basketball analyst for a long time.
(04:40):
And the kids from the book, you know, made money
off of this. So that was yesterday. Today the Touy
family comes.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Back with we tried.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We were getting shaken down by Michael Or because he
called us before he went public, saying, if you give
me fifteen million dollars, I won't go public with this
and I won't bring charges against you or file a
suit against you. The Twey family said no, And so
we have the story yesterday where Michael RR says, hey,
they cut me out and I should be getting more money.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And this story is.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Just I mean, it's sad and it's it's disappointing because
of what it was. And now the happy ending for
this family is now done. And you know, when whenever look,
whenever money is involved what I tell you last night,
When money is involved, I don't care what kind of
family loves each other. Everybody gets out for them something
the knives come out when that happens, and now this big,
happy ending story is now out and now it's about
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well Michael.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Or is it his fault?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is it the two he's fault? And before we get
into what I was thinking about all day on this
is that after seeing this, I maintain two things. Does
Michael Lore need money?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm sure the guy needs money, and that's why it's
coming up right now. He's written another book about his
life and now he's in the middle of a book
tour and the fact that he's trying to get money. Yeah,
he needs money. So here comes this this whatever this
cash grab is. Really you didn't start looking into this
until twenty sixteen. I mean that this happened years ago.
I mean you're talking about the movie came out in
two thousand and nine, The book was two thousand and four.
(06:14):
This is your life, man, this is your life, and
things have happened now for twenty years and you.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Just found out, Oh hey, I just found out a.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Few months ago. It's a conservatorship and they can make
money off it. You just found that out. Come on, man,
I don't believe that for a second. I also don't
believe for a second the Twi family saying we made
fourteen thousand dollars off of that and that's it. We
made a flat fee of four toen. No, there's no way,
there's no way the Towey family made fourteen grand off
of the blind Side story and that was it. No,
they made other money somewhere. What the issue is is
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what it's going to be, and it's gonna wind up
finishing and you know you said it when we get
into this a night ago, is that it's gonna wind
up being a payment of some kind from the Towey
family to Michael Lore. That's gonna close everything up, you know,
because whatever you find out about if Michael okay, but
if you find out the Towey family, hey, they got this,
they got this, they gotta well, they're gonna have to
give Michae Laura a little bit of cash. And that's
(07:06):
probably how it's gonna go. And it's going to it's
gonna to interrupt this big, happy ending. But what I
keep going back to, Mike is that when I think
about who's at fault for this story, because we have
the two sides, right, we have Michael Lore and we
have the Towey family.
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Speaker 1 (07:35):
If something really bad was going on all right after
this story has now been out now for a good
thirty six hours, if something really bad was going on
from either end, whether it's Michael or and and he's
the guy that's just trying to extort money from the Tooyes,
or if it's the Tooyes, who are you know, profiting
off of Michael Lare's name. If something really bad was happening,
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I would think we would have heard from Michael.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Lewis by now, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Michael Lewis has never been shy about putting out his
opinions on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
He was the guy.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Who literally wrote the book about this. He's the guy
that has all the transcripts, all the stories, everything from
the twoies, everything from Michael Lore. He was there all
through the high school. He was there when he signed
the papers all of these things. Michael Lewis was there.
He was there for If something was going on that
was really untoward, we would have heard from Michael Lewis.
(08:29):
He would have said, hey, I don't know what's going
but I know this, this and this happened when I
talked to Big Mike, or I know this this and
this happened when I talked to.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Lee Ane Tooey.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If something really bad was going on, Michael Lewis would
have said something by now, because he's not somebody that's
gonna be shy. He's not gonna say I get that,
I want to stay out of it. I go, you know,
because why does he want to get dragged into this?
Because look, Sandra Bullet got dragged into it. All she
did was play a role and suddenly.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Oh, Sandra Bullock, it's your fuck. So I get his way.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But if something bad was going on, he would be
sitting on the sidelines. He would have said something. So
this tells me that that you know, either side, nothing
crazy is going on, and it's just about money and
and who's hiding what from who, and who's going to
owe somebody a little bit more?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Because it was really bad, we'd have heard from Michael Lewis.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, or made an estimated thirty four million dollars in
his NFL career. So put that and put a pin
in it because we're talking about. You know, now you're
you're out here, you're promoting a book, right, So that
came out on August eighth, So salacious details, accusations, et cetera.
What do we start talking about? He released another book
about his life and adversity and everything else. Triumphing the
(09:36):
triumph of such triumphing a word. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Triumphing. You're triggering. It's I.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I guess I made it one. Now you're triumphant, your triumphant.
Let me say triumphan triumph triumphing.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Try try.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That doesn't sound right. Thing sounds like I made something
in existence.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Jason. No, it's the gerondor present partisan.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Okay, so it works. It just doesn't sound great.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It rolls are in the process of trying thing over
the offseason.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, it came out of
my mouth, so we'll we'll leave it there. It's good.
It now counts. And that's exactly what I figured was
going to happen, and I said so deliberately. But it's
the idea that you have a team that has been
with him all along. Whatever the two Wee's did at
that time in terms of contracts with the movie studios
(10:26):
with Michael Lewis whatever else, and you have that part
of the process. Well, you had all his NFL people
as well that are supposed to be looking out for him,
his money, his brand and everything. Thereafter, they didn't catch
the den and there were no monies coming in off
of these projects. When it's been referenced forever, right, it's
(10:48):
always on the list the best football films and all
these other things we know go through the box office.
It's well over three hundred million dollars plus in earnings,
had DVD sales, all that other and yes, I know
you got to recoup costs and all, but there's a
lot of money that got split from the percentages on
the back end of things. Whatever the start was. The
(11:09):
estimate was that everybody in the family got five million bucks,
including the kids, right, the biological kids. So for Michael Orr,
like everybody's just got to come through with the financial disclosures.
We bring our forensic accountants in the sexy job of
sexy jobs and they get after it line by line
of where's money flowing, what happened to all of that cash.
(11:32):
But I would argue that Michael Orr has had a
number of representatives that did not serve him very well.
One from the Twoey's if there's this level of disagreement
of what the relationship was, and we talked about it
yesterday with Sean Touhey talking about his relationship with ole
Miss and how he explained things needed to be based
(11:55):
on his status as a quote unquote booster, that he
couldn't be at adopted after age eighteen. All of those
when we start getting into the legal eese. But somewhere
along the way, there's a disconnect there that then lingers
for twenty years, almost seven years after retirement, when you're
releasing another book. Suddenly we get these details, Suddenly we
(12:17):
get these allegations. There's just a lot of explaining to do,
and I know people are quick to jump to one
side or the other in the end, certainly from Michael
Orr and his team, they dropped the ball from the twoies.
I'm not buying a word out of their mouths that
they didn't make a bunch of money off this. Yet
any reasonable person would look at it and just laugh, going, sure,
(12:42):
you're a guy with a lot of business acumen, and
we've talked about all the franchises and fast food restaurants
and everything they've gone through. Yeah, your business acumen said, yeah,
it's worth this to open up our lives to Michael
Lewis and go through this process for fourteen grand.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Come on, No, nobody is gonna look good out of this.
Nobody is. No, the two's aren't gonna look good. Michael
or is not gonna look good.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And and like I said, suddenly this story is gonna
Oh man, well it was. It was great for a while.
I mean, I mean, I know how it's gonna end.
It's gonna be ugly, and it's I wish it could
be different. But whenever money is involved, I don't care
how close of a family that you have.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I don't care how close.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
When money is involved in there, it doesn't matter when
there's a lump sum of money you can get. And
I'm I'm talking from if it's in the millions, if
it's ten thousand dollars, doesn't matter. I have seen families
get ripped apart because my fact. I don't talk to
a lot of my family because of a because of
a money issue that happened years ago after my mom died.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And I'm like, wow, man, really this is like, this
is what So, it's it's difficult, it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I I understand that, I've seen it. I see you
with a lot of things, and especially if there's still
money to be had here with with the blind side,
it's going to continue to happen and and and this
is it's just too bad. But it's almost you could
say it's inevitable because when when whenever there's money out there,
people are gonna say, Okay, I want more, I want
my four. I'm not getting a fair shore, I'm not
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getting as much as you are. I should be getting
what you got. It should be an easy payday. That's
just how it goes well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I always talk about altruism, is you know, everybody's looking
for their angle, whether it's monetary or just making themselves
feel good or looking good with the people around them.
But what Michael Orr one of the things that came
out was he was mad about how he looked and
how he came off in the movie and booked and
everything else of you know, kind of simple. Well, the
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fact that it took you this long to figure out
you might have been missing those many millions of dollars
in this process doesn't make you or your team look
very good.
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
Doing its thing.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Second episode tonight, Aaron Rodgers, Oz the Mentalist, the shutout
win over the Carolina Panthers, Quinn Williams getting paid.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
All these wonderfully great things.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
There's a lot of problems with the other big NFL
reality show, Netflix's Quarterback, which everybody's enjoying. Everybody is watching
or has watched, and I mean by everybody sports fans,
NFL fans. The first season that followed the years of
Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marcus Mariota. All through last year,
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you had one win the super Bowl, one make the playoffs,
one lose his job midway latter part of the season,
and now you are seeing a lot of no's come
out for Quarterback. Daniel Jones had a press conference today,
said yeah, I was asked, I passed on it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Josh Allen was asked about being in season two.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He passed on it, and Peyton Manning can't find anybody
to be in season too of quarterback. And I know
he said a couple weeks ago, he said, you know,
trying to do I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's a distraction.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
First of all, it's like, dude, don't tell me what
you want to hear and don't want to hear. You're
gonna pitch me something. I'm gonna say yes or no.
And oh, by the way, you would never have done
this during your NFL career, so stop with oh, it's
a distraction. But you want to know why Netflix is
having trouble with quarterback. It's very simple because for NFL
quarterbacks to do this, they have to answer the question,
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what's the win for me? What's the win if I'm
going to open up my life to Netflix and have
them follow me around for a season. Right, you have
to have the desire to get your image out there
for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
This is why Hard Knocks is working so well. Aaron
Rodgers images out there. Right, He's a bit of a
different dude. We told you months ago, hey, when he
picked the Jets because he wanted the brand of New York.
He wants to set the next part of his career.
He wants people to like him, and when hard Knock
shows up in the building, he's gonna love it. He's
gonna embrace it because he wants to show everybody who
he is. Right, Whether he wants some career in the
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media after it's over, he wants to be a mogul
of some kind. He wants an image of himself out there.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
He would have been a.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Great choice for season two, but he's getting the free
publicity right now on Hard Not Today. Takes six months
ago exactly exactly told you about everybody's Oh you know
what Aaron Rodgers is doing.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, sorry, we told you that. So I get why
Roger's here. So now the question is why is nobody
else saying yes? Because what's the win?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Look at the three quarterbacks from this year, Patrick Mahomes
doing it. Probably did it because he was a little bored.
I'm a superstar, I've won a Super Bowl. Am I
really gonna hurt my image?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
No? Probably not. I mean, look, I'm walking away from
it going dude, don't punch me, don't punch me, dude, dude,
don't punch me. Don't punch me, dude, punch me, dude,
punch me. So, yeah, was it a little dangerous for him.
But in the end, even if he looks weird, the
guys won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
What are you take it away?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Right, it as odd as he could possibly be. It
doesn't matter because it's a recipe towards success.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, it doesn't matter for him. Kirk Cousins, Hey, I
want to let people know me. I've been taking a
lot of criticism in last year's I want to let
people know me. And what do you take away from
Kirk Cousins. He's a little weird, a little out there,
a little odd, and it's kind of strange to see
him function as a quarterback the way that he does.
Like you could tell he's a little bit detached from
(18:28):
the team and they.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like what he does.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But overall, this is not a great look for Kirk Cousins.
I mean, he's got a trophy room in his house.
It's behind a fake set of stairs. I mean looks like, yeah,
I thought Harry Potter is under there, so but he
comes across looking a little weird, and Marcus Mariota is
doing it, And what did you get from him. Hey,
there's a reason why he wasn't a starting quarterback for
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the last few years.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You saw that he didn't look like he was up
to it and he had issues that he had to
deal with throughout the year. There was no win for
Kirk Cousins or Marcus Mariota come out off of this.
They didn't increase their brand. No one decided to say,
hey Marcus, we like you, we want you to be
our starting quarter No, none of this happened. So there's
no win. Look at the other quarterback, say, what's Josh
Allen's win? Is he gonna get another endorsement from Wegmans
(19:14):
If he does.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That a lot of screen time for Hailey Steinfeld, that'd
be good.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, Okay, Well, well he could do that on Zoom.
You know, you can have Zoom sponsor it and.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
He can do it. But there's no win.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
There's no win for Daniel Jones because if any of
these guys want to increase their brandy, they will do
it in a way that I have more control over
it and it's less risky. It's risky when you turn
your life over to a television company that can do
what they want to do. How they edit it together
and yeah, I know that that that people want to
(19:47):
say evil media, and I go, just stop with evil media.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's a crutch. No situation like this.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
If they get something good, if it's bad, they're gonna
use it, all right, it's not gonna sit back. Oh okay,
we're gonna sit on this because no, if it's good,
if it's good to we're gonna use it. And you
are giving up control over how you are viewed. And
who's going to do that unless you are desperate enough
to get your image out there to say, I really
need something to happen. I really need to make sure
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people know who I am right away. That's who's gonna
do the show. But there's nobody that's that desperate. Because
if anybody wants to create an image and get something
out there, they have their pr people, their agent, they're
all working on things. Hey, hey, you're doing this charity exhibit.
Here we have you, and you're gonna do this commercial. Here,
you're gonna make an appearance here, you're gonna do this. Here,
you're gonna be on this podcast. You're gonna pay you
(20:34):
this for this. There's less risky ways to do it
than saying I'm gonna allow you to come in and
film me over the course of a whole season. So
I get I'm surprised these three said, yes, that's what
I'm gonna I'm surprised we got one season out of.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It that all these guys are saying yes. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, I think when you attach Omaha Productions and Peyton,
I'm sure there's some persuasion. And again, you know, owing
back to Peyton's playing career, I don't think any of
us buy the idea that at any point start middle
Superstar and coming back from next surgeries, the resurgence in Denver,
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and then the inevitable drop off that was so steep
that he was going to agree to do any of that.
I don't buy that for a second. Not the guy,
not the guy that was the player Peyton in the
post playing career. Sure, I'm sure he could strap a
camera to his head and walk around the house and
tell us everything that he and Eli rip each other
(21:30):
about on a given day. But from the series that
we had, I think Cousins came off okay, right, I
think there's some likable thing made again a bit odd,
but you pulled back the curtain on a guy, you know,
family man, some odd things as you talked about his
trophy case and everything that make you scratch your head,
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but makes them who he is. No big loss there.
People are still going to be looking to him to
win games in primetime or in the four o'clock window.
When it comes down to it, that's the next iteration
for him. What can he do now that the Packers
don't have Aaron Rodgers? Right, So it's a pay it
forward for twenty twenty three, for Kirk Cousins and for
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the Vikings. But you've got so many guys that have
declined it. Garoppolo, Hurts, Lawrence Tua, dak Gino Fields, you
talked about Daniel Jones, like, so many guys have just
said no. And part of it is what's your control.
The Jets were able to negotiate control. We're not doing this.
(22:35):
We're not going through the old formulas, all of those
things that would normally perhaps cause some chaos and some
bad moments where maybe we don't get to show our
best selves. You can't do that. It's more a love
fest of the team, the players, and particularly it's all
about Aaron Rodgers as our focal point for this season
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and whatever Robert salaz a next analogy is gonna be.
But when it comes to the rest of the Netflix
side of things, we're not just in the facility, right
because anything that you've seen off Hard Knocks that wasn't
at the facility. I mean that was week one, all right,
So a little bit of Aaron Rodgers and their sauce
gardener getting his degree. Beyond that, it's on the practice
(23:19):
fields and everything. It's very contained. You're at work as
opposed to here, this guy's gonna trail you at home
if you have a bad moment with your kids because
there you're trying to be on a phone call. Is
that showing up or do you have editorial control to
stop that?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
There's just downside. And if it goes south as things
did for Mariota, now you chronicle it and say, well,
all those people around and they showed this guy can't
cut it. This guy, And if you're in contract negotiations
or there's any type of performance issue that can be
seen as emanating or being spotlighted by this show, yeah,
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it just puts you in a world to hurt. And
if you're at a point where you're secure as to
who you are and you can move forward like a
guy like Russell Wilson right now, he's already been ripped
from every angle over the last couple of years. Congratulations
on the new child on the way there for the family.
But like that's a guy that I mean, how much
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more can be done to try to cut at him?
But for all these other quarterbacks that are on the rise, Nah,
the risk rewards too much.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, it's it's pretty easy. It's pretty easy to see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Why we got I don't know that we'll get a
second season unless unless Netflix says, hey, Peyton, we really
want this. Yeah, well, you know what, I need some
money and it's okay, we'll pay you five million dollars
to follow you for so oh oh you're gonna be
five million dollars. Okay, Now, now suddenly people will get
get interested. Oh you're gonna be five million dollars. Then
I'll see it. So either if if you can't get
anybody that wants or increase their brands, it's too risky,
(24:53):
but I'll pay you five dollars. Oh okay, now you
can do it. Well, that's the only way we're getting
a second season.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But if we're at a point with the dollar that
they make between the actual contracts, right, anybody that gets
a second deal and endorsements and everything else, there's no
chance in hell that any of those guys are coming
on board, right, I mean they think about our guy
here in Los Angeles, Justin Herbert doesn't want to do
interviews with local media, right, He's gonna go do this show.
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I mean, just go on down the line, Matthew Stafford.
I mean he's made what three hundred million dollars plus
in his career? Five million bucks? I mean, look, five
million bucks and five million bucks. But is it changing
his life any No, if Philip Rivers came back, say
with the forty nine ers, theoretically, is he gonna do
Philip Rivers and his band of Merriman so you follow
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him and his family around.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, I don't think he is.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I think the money for quarterbacks, I think you have
to aim a little bit lower, because the running backs
for five million dollars, you can get any of those
guys to participate.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
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Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen so
left season one off running back.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Hey great, I'm just saying, you want to talk about guys,
we're a little bit of financial Inducement'll get them to
come play, show up and do whatever you want to work.
I think that's the position you need to target. Everybody
else is getting paid.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Season one of running back.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right now, we have what's trending in the wide world
of sports with Brian Fenley BF.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What do you got my friend Jason Mike.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
What is trending is something that Gary Sanchez did at
the play today for the Padres, and that's.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Hitt of the year to right field.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Santander is going back, He's at the wall.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This one gonna go.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
First Grand Slam of the season for the Padres comes
on August fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It comes off the bat of Gary Santez.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
That would be Padres Radio now where ten to three
the final score in favor of San Diego. Meanwhile, the
Giants take down the Ray seven to nothing and raise
a Shane McClanahan who is gonna be having Tommy John
surgery next week, forcing him to miss all of next
year and of course the remainder of this year as well.
The Dodgers pick apart the Brewers six to two. That's
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nine straight for Los Angeles, while the Mariners come back
after blowing a three run lead in the ninth, they
get it done in ten innings ten to eight against
the hapless Royals. The White Sox pushed through against the
Cubs five to three. The Rangers got two home runs
from Corey Seeger. He drove in five runs in the game,
(27:31):
five of the seven runs the Rangers scored in a
seven to three win against the Halos in Texas, while
the Yankees got boat raced by the Braves five nothing
and the Yanks fault to five hundred. They also had
just one hit in all of the game. The Pirates
with another win against the hapless Mets seven to four.
(27:51):
The final score there Astros over the Marlins six to five.
Kyle Tucker hit that big home run in the seventh
inning to break the five to five tye. Red Sox
score two unanswered as they overcome the Nationals five to four.
Blue Jay's Tower over the Phillies two to one, and
the Guardian step on the Reds three nothing the final score.
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Anthony Richardson is going to be quarterback number one, the
starting QB in a week one for the Indanapolis Colts.
He said he was shocked. He said he was thankful
for the opportunity as he beat out Gardner at Minshew
for the opportunity. And lastly, Jason Mike, how about that
running back room with the New York Jets Breese Hall activated.
(28:35):
Then you've got Dolvin Cook and you've got quite the
one two punch there.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Heim and McNeil.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Sure, Johnny Hector right hand once you give it back, Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I'll tell you what from that one two punch to
this one two punch Jason Smith, Mike Harmon.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Boom, thank you very much for having And oh, by
the way, congratulates just to Ryan Yarborough, who got a
three inning saved tonight for the Dodgers for save of
his major league baseball career.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Guys, been an opener, a reliever.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
He has been in the league now for six years,
first save of his career. Anything the Dodgers do doesn't matter. Well, whatever,
everything is, everything's coming up, Jets, everything's coming up Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Everything.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Well, they're a good team, pitching, getting healthy, Lance Lynn,
eating innings and loving the culture and everything there. Mookie
Betts legend, people naming kids after him and everything. And
you got Freddie Freeman. The two of them, two of
the top five players of the game. Everything seems to
rotate around them. And now you got Kershaw back. I
(29:39):
just was watching some video of his ping pong tournament
and his off field charity work and everything. I mean,
come on, feel good story as he comes back to
lead this rotation eating innings.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now another quarterback story to get into. We've heard this
and Brian Finley talked about it in his up. Anthony
Richardson is the new number one quarterback for the Colts
draft to number four overall. His kid has so much
talent and he could be one of the next great
quarterbacks in the NFL. And today he was named the
number one quarterback over Gardner Minshew. Now, I'm gonna throw
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two scenarios at you, Mike Carmen, you tell me which
one resulted in him becoming the quarterback. After seeing how
impressive he was in his one quarter of work as
an NFL quarterback so far that was spotty, some good,
some bad, but he's played quarterback for all of one
quarter in the NFL, so good, the Colts decided we
(30:37):
have to name him the starter right now, making that
there or was it Jim Mersey saying, you know, I'm
getting killed on the Jonathan Taylor stuff. I really want
Richardson to be the quarterback. Hey, guys, guess what you're
making him the quarterback. I'm just saying, because what did
we see from Ersa after the draft? He wanted richards
(30:59):
to to be the quarterback. He tweeted out right away
after the announcement was made. I agree with this decision.
You're telling me. He didn't call. He didn't call and
say I want this guy to be the quarterback. I
saw him play on Saturday. He looks fine. Let's get
attention away from this Jonathan Taylor stuff. I'm not gonna
pay the guy. It's ugly. This is the guy I
drafted to be our future. We've been looking for a
quarterback for years. Make him the starting quarterback if you
(31:23):
did one of those CSI, Hey, I can see where
the fingerprints are. Orsay's fingerprints all over this move, because
why would you have to do it now? Why after
one quarter of the season. I get that you want
to tailor your offense around what Anthony Richardson does. I
get that, and it's different from Gardner Minshew, but we
are still in early days.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Of camp. People have played one game, and so you
have to name him. Now.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
The guy's barely played. He's played sixteen games since he
was a senior in high school. He's been given everything,
and you get even. He said, I'm surprised they named
me the starter, that I didn't have to work harder
at it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I'm surprised they said this for I didn't have to
show a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, this is all Ersay saying I want him to
be the quarterback. And that's where I feel bad, because
I want the kid to be in the position I
want all quarterbacks put me in a position to succeed.
Is in the position to succeed right now? No, he isn't,
because he's in doing something right now that maybe he
needs a little bit more time before he's ready to
assume the mantle. But this is how things go in
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Indianapolis when you play for Jim Mercy.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think some of it comes down
to the fact that you know, Stiken's just getting started.
Pair them together, grow together from day one. Look, they're
just doing what you've advocated forever. I've been on the
other side of this of if the guy's not ready,
there's no need to rush it. You've got all the controls,
You've got the extra years. I know you start getting
(32:46):
towards the franchise tags or whatever where the cost of
poker goes up through the roof. But you know you
got plenty of time to evaluate and help him grow
if he's not there yet. But in your line of thinking,
and I think for many others, it's the all right,
you drafted them that high for a reason. In this
case you get the extra win of it's a nice
(33:10):
Vegas misdirection away from the Jonathan Taylor situation, so I
certainly can't discount that along the way. You also know
what you're getting with Gardner Minshew, is that riding you
do a championship? No, he's a jag. So start your
young guy. Take the lumps, Ersaying company, go back and
look at what Peyton Manning did as a rookie, and
(33:31):
just recognize guys are gonna take their lumps, Guys are
gonna have their growing pains, and eventually you'll get to
show them their smile again.
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Speaker 4 (01:02):
Mike Harbon, that guy that finished third on America's Got Talent.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, well hey I think he I think they realized.
Maybe they screwed it up. Hey, hey, hey, you know,
I don't know if you know this or not. Michael
Jordan got cut from his JV basket.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How dare you just so you know? I mean it,
so you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Always know what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
This he could be this could be the.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I did that though. I dig that about you. Yeah,
very excited for you. This is really like you've already
won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, it is like I said, we're the greatest off
season team in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, greatest off season team.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And then hang a banner, greatest team off season, build
yourself a trophy to print the merch Yes, print it all,
print it all.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So again, we'll have more on the Jets. You know,
I love being able to say that it being legit.
Uh coming up in a bit because there is a
there is something to know tonight coming off of Hard
Knocks versus Netflix's Quarterback, because that's suddenly becoming a big
battle and there's some clarity now and stuff we want
to get to with that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
But you know, the.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Biggest sports story of the last twenty four to thirty
six hours also happens to be the biggest pop culture
story of the last twenty four to thirty six hours.
And that's all this drama with The blind Side. Michael
Orr the subject of the book written by Michael Lewis,
the evolution of a left tackle that was turned into
a movie that Sandra Bullock won Best Actress for back
(02:29):
in two thousand and nine. We talked about it last night.
Look the blind Side best sports book I've ever read.
It had sports, it had inside sports if you like it.
It was about family, it was about the Foster system.
It was incredibly interesting. It's Michael Lewis's dark side of
the Moon. It's his from a guy that's written a
lot of other great books. This is his masterpiece Moneyball.
(02:51):
Much better movie than a book because the book was
a little dry. I gotta be honest. The book was
a little dry, but.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
The movie, well, the book didn't have Margot Robbie, did
not have.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Margot Robbie in a bubble bath explaining what, you know,
what a big short was. So yesterday we find out
that Michael lare and look, Michael Laure's story was he
was a you know, a kid in the Foster system
and having difficulty. He was very adept at football and
the Towey family adopted him and Or took him in
(03:22):
and took care of him as he went through his
high school career and then getting being able to play
football at Ole Miss, and then the ted decade year
long career he had in the National Football He they
included winning the Super Bowl. And yesterday we find out
that our big happy ending of Blindside, where Michael Lore
found a family and the family found Michael Ore, now
that's been ripped asunder now because Michael lare Is is
(03:46):
trying to get money from the Towey family, who he
says have profited off of his story and the movie.
They made money off of the blind Side movie that
he never got to see. He said that he had
been looking into this since twenty sixteen when he retired
from the league, and now here he is and he
found out that he wasn't really adopted by the Towey family.
(04:07):
It was a conservatorship which allowed them to maintain control
over him and make money off of his story, his
likeness and on down.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
The road right make deals in his name.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, they were able to profit, and according to Michael Or,
he has not seen any of the money. The Towey
family saw a lot of money, and he is bringing
a suit against them because he wants to get his
fair share of what they have made off of the movie. Now,
Lee and Tooey as an author and she's a public speaker,
and Sean Tooey was a basketball analyst for a long time.
(04:40):
And the kids from the book, you know, made money
off of this. So that was yesterday. Today the Touy
family comes.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Back with we tried.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We were getting shaken down by Michael Or because he
called us before he went public, saying, if you give
me fifteen million dollars, I won't go public with this
and I won't bring charges against you or file a
suit against you. The Twey family said no, And so
we have the story yesterday where Michael RR says, hey,
they cut me out and I should be getting more money.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And this story is.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Just I mean, it's sad and it's it's disappointing because
of what it was. And now the happy ending for
this family is now done. And you know, when whenever look,
whenever money is involved what I tell you last night,
When money is involved, I don't care what kind of
family loves each other. Everybody gets out for them something
the knives come out when that happens, and now this big,
happy ending story is now out and now it's about
(05:36):
well Michael.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Or is it his fault?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is it the two he's fault? And before we get
into what I was thinking about all day on this
is that after seeing this, I maintain two things. Does
Michael Lore need money?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm sure the guy needs money, and that's why it's
coming up right now. He's written another book about his
life and now he's in the middle of a book
tour and the fact that he's trying to get money. Yeah,
he needs money. So here comes this this whatever this
cash grab is. Really you didn't start looking into this
until twenty sixteen. I mean that this happened years ago.
I mean you're talking about the movie came out in
two thousand and nine, The book was two thousand and four.
(06:14):
This is your life, man, this is your life, and
things have happened now for twenty years and you.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Just found out, Oh hey, I just found out a.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Few months ago. It's a conservatorship and they can make
money off it. You just found that out. Come on, man,
I don't believe that for a second. I also don't
believe for a second the Twi family saying we made
fourteen thousand dollars off of that and that's it. We
made a flat fee of four toen. No, there's no way,
there's no way the Towey family made fourteen grand off
of the blind Side story and that was it. No,
they made other money somewhere. What the issue is is
(06:45):
what it's going to be, and it's gonna wind up
finishing and you know you said it when we get
into this a night ago, is that it's gonna wind
up being a payment of some kind from the Towey
family to Michael Lore. That's gonna close everything up, you know,
because whatever you find out about if Michael okay, but
if you find out the Towey family, hey, they got this,
they got this, they gotta well, they're gonna have to
give Michae Laura a little bit of cash. And that's
(07:06):
probably how it's gonna go. And it's going to it's
gonna to interrupt this big, happy ending. But what I
keep going back to, Mike is that when I think
about who's at fault for this story, because we have
the two sides, right, we have Michael Lore and we
have the Towey family.
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Speaker 1 (07:35):
If something really bad was going on all right after
this story has now been out now for a good
thirty six hours, if something really bad was going on
from either end, whether it's Michael or and and he's
the guy that's just trying to extort money from the Tooyes,
or if it's the Tooyes, who are you know, profiting
off of Michael Lare's name. If something really bad was happening,
(07:58):
I would think we would have heard from Michael.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Lewis by now, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Michael Lewis has never been shy about putting out his
opinions on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
He was the guy.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Who literally wrote the book about this. He's the guy
that has all the transcripts, all the stories, everything from
the twoies, everything from Michael Lore. He was there all
through the high school. He was there when he signed
the papers all of these things. Michael Lewis was there.
He was there for If something was going on that
was really untoward, we would have heard from Michael Lewis.
(08:29):
He would have said, hey, I don't know what's going
but I know this, this and this happened when I
talked to Big Mike, or I know this this and
this happened when I talked to.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Lee Ane Tooey.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
If something really bad was going on, Michael Lewis would
have said something by now, because he's not somebody that's
gonna be shy. He's not gonna say I get that,
I want to stay out of it. I go, you know,
because why does he want to get dragged into this?
Because look, Sandra Bullet got dragged into it. All she
did was play a role and suddenly.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Oh, Sandra Bullock, it's your fuck. So I get his way.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But if something bad was going on, he would be
sitting on the sidelines. He would have said something. So
this tells me that that you know, either side, nothing
crazy is going on, and it's just about money and
and who's hiding what from who, and who's going to
owe somebody a little bit more?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Because it was really bad, we'd have heard from Michael Lewis.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, or made an estimated thirty four million dollars in
his NFL career. So put that and put a pin
in it because we're talking about. You know, now you're
you're out here, you're promoting a book, right, So that
came out on August eighth, So salacious details, accusations, et cetera.
What do we start talking about? He released another book
about his life and adversity and everything else. Triumphing the
(09:36):
triumph of such triumphing a word. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Triumphing. You're triggering. It's I.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I guess I made it one. Now you're triumphant, your triumphant.
Let me say triumphan triumph triumphing.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Try try.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That doesn't sound right. Thing sounds like I made something
in existence.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Jason. No, it's the gerondor present partisan.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Okay, so it works. It just doesn't sound great.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It rolls are in the process of trying thing over
the offseason.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, it came out of
my mouth, so we'll we'll leave it there. It's good.
It now counts. And that's exactly what I figured was
going to happen, and I said so deliberately. But it's
the idea that you have a team that has been
with him all along. Whatever the two Wee's did at
that time in terms of contracts with the movie studios
(10:26):
with Michael Lewis whatever else, and you have that part
of the process. Well, you had all his NFL people
as well that are supposed to be looking out for him,
his money, his brand and everything. Thereafter, they didn't catch
the den and there were no monies coming in off
of these projects. When it's been referenced forever, right, it's
(10:48):
always on the list the best football films and all
these other things we know go through the box office.
It's well over three hundred million dollars plus in earnings,
had DVD sales, all that other and yes, I know
you got to recoup costs and all, but there's a
lot of money that got split from the percentages on
the back end of things. Whatever the start was. The
(11:09):
estimate was that everybody in the family got five million bucks,
including the kids, right, the biological kids. So for Michael Orr,
like everybody's just got to come through with the financial disclosures.
We bring our forensic accountants in the sexy job of
sexy jobs and they get after it line by line
of where's money flowing, what happened to all of that cash.
(11:32):
But I would argue that Michael Orr has had a
number of representatives that did not serve him very well.
One from the Twoey's if there's this level of disagreement
of what the relationship was, and we talked about it
yesterday with Sean Touhey talking about his relationship with ole
Miss and how he explained things needed to be based
(11:55):
on his status as a quote unquote booster, that he
couldn't be at adopted after age eighteen. All of those
when we start getting into the legal eese. But somewhere
along the way, there's a disconnect there that then lingers
for twenty years, almost seven years after retirement, when you're
releasing another book. Suddenly we get these details, Suddenly we
(12:17):
get these allegations. There's just a lot of explaining to do,
and I know people are quick to jump to one
side or the other in the end, certainly from Michael
Orr and his team, they dropped the ball from the twoies.
I'm not buying a word out of their mouths that
they didn't make a bunch of money off this. Yet
any reasonable person would look at it and just laugh, going, sure,
(12:42):
you're a guy with a lot of business acumen, and
we've talked about all the franchises and fast food restaurants
and everything they've gone through. Yeah, your business acumen said, yeah,
it's worth this to open up our lives to Michael
Lewis and go through this process for fourteen grand.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Come on, No, nobody is gonna look good out of this.
Nobody is. No, the two's aren't gonna look good. Michael
or is not gonna look good.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And and like I said, suddenly this story is gonna
Oh man, well it was. It was great for a while.
I mean, I mean, I know how it's gonna end.
It's gonna be ugly, and it's I wish it could
be different. But whenever money is involved, I don't care
how close of a family that you have.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I don't care how close.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
When money is involved in there, it doesn't matter when
there's a lump sum of money you can get. And
I'm I'm talking from if it's in the millions, if
it's ten thousand dollars, doesn't matter. I have seen families
get ripped apart because my fact. I don't talk to
a lot of my family because of a because of
a money issue that happened years ago after my mom died.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And I'm like, wow, man, really this is like, this
is what So, it's it's difficult, it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I I understand that, I've seen it. I see you
with a lot of things, and especially if there's still
money to be had here with with the blind side,
it's going to continue to happen and and and this
is it's just too bad. But it's almost you could
say it's inevitable because when when whenever there's money out there,
people are gonna say, Okay, I want more, I want
my four. I'm not getting a fair shore, I'm not
(14:11):
getting as much as you are. I should be getting
what you got. It should be an easy payday. That's
just how it goes well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I always talk about altruism, is you know, everybody's looking
for their angle, whether it's monetary or just making themselves
feel good or looking good with the people around them.
But what Michael Orr one of the things that came
out was he was mad about how he looked and
how he came off in the movie and booked and
everything else of you know, kind of simple. Well, the
(14:38):
fact that it took you this long to figure out
you might have been missing those many millions of dollars
in this process doesn't make you or your team look
very good.
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Second episode tonight, Aaron Rodgers, Oz the Mentalist, the shutout
win over the Carolina Panthers, Quinn Williams getting paid.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
All these wonderfully great things.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
There's a lot of problems with the other big NFL
reality show, Netflix's Quarterback, which everybody's enjoying. Everybody is watching
or has watched, and I mean by everybody sports fans,
NFL fans. The first season that followed the years of
Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marcus Mariota. All through last year,
(15:36):
you had one win the super Bowl, one make the playoffs,
one lose his job midway latter part of the season,
and now you are seeing a lot of no's come
out for Quarterback. Daniel Jones had a press conference today,
said yeah, I was asked, I passed on it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Josh Allen was asked about being in season two.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He passed on it, and Peyton Manning can't find anybody
to be in season too of quarterback. And I know
he said a couple weeks ago, he said, you know,
trying to do I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's a distraction.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
First of all, it's like, dude, don't tell me what
you want to hear and don't want to hear. You're
gonna pitch me something. I'm gonna say yes or no.
And oh, by the way, you would never have done
this during your NFL career, so stop with oh, it's
a distraction. But you want to know why Netflix is
having trouble with quarterback. It's very simple because for NFL
quarterbacks to do this, they have to answer the question,
(16:29):
what's the win for me? What's the win if I'm
going to open up my life to Netflix and have
them follow me around for a season. Right, you have
to have the desire to get your image out there
for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
This is why Hard Knocks is working so well. Aaron
Rodgers images out there. Right, He's a bit of a
different dude. We told you months ago, hey, when he
picked the Jets because he wanted the brand of New York.
He wants to set the next part of his career.
He wants people to like him, and when hard Knock
shows up in the building, he's gonna love it. He's
gonna embrace it because he wants to show everybody who
he is. Right, Whether he wants some career in the
(17:08):
media after it's over, he wants to be a mogul
of some kind. He wants an image of himself out there.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
He would have been a.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Great choice for season two, but he's getting the free
publicity right now on Hard Not Today. Takes six months
ago exactly exactly told you about everybody's Oh you know
what Aaron Rodgers is doing.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, sorry, we told you that. So I get why
Roger's here. So now the question is why is nobody
else saying yes? Because what's the win?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Look at the three quarterbacks from this year, Patrick Mahomes
doing it. Probably did it because he was a little bored.
I'm a superstar, I've won a Super Bowl. Am I
really gonna hurt my image?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
No? Probably not. I mean, look, I'm walking away from
it going dude, don't punch me, don't punch me, dude, dude,
don't punch me. Don't punch me, dude, punch me, dude,
punch me. So, yeah, was it a little dangerous for him.
But in the end, even if he looks weird, the
guys won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
What are you take it away?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Right, it as odd as he could possibly be. It
doesn't matter because it's a recipe towards success.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, it doesn't matter for him. Kirk Cousins, Hey, I
want to let people know me. I've been taking a
lot of criticism in last year's I want to let
people know me. And what do you take away from
Kirk Cousins. He's a little weird, a little out there,
a little odd, and it's kind of strange to see
him function as a quarterback the way that he does.
Like you could tell he's a little bit detached from
(18:28):
the team and they.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like what he does.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But overall, this is not a great look for Kirk Cousins.
I mean, he's got a trophy room in his house.
It's behind a fake set of stairs. I mean looks like, yeah,
I thought Harry Potter is under there, so but he
comes across looking a little weird, and Marcus Mariota is
doing it, And what did you get from him. Hey,
there's a reason why he wasn't a starting quarterback for
(18:50):
the last few years.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You saw that he didn't look like he was up
to it and he had issues that he had to
deal with throughout the year. There was no win for
Kirk Cousins or Marcus Mariota come out off of this.
They didn't increase their brand. No one decided to say,
hey Marcus, we like you, we want you to be
our starting quarter No, none of this happened. So there's
no win. Look at the other quarterback, say, what's Josh
Allen's win? Is he gonna get another endorsement from Wegmans
(19:14):
If he does.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That a lot of screen time for Hailey Steinfeld, that'd
be good.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, Okay, Well, well he could do that on Zoom.
You know, you can have Zoom sponsor it and.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
He can do it. But there's no win.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
There's no win for Daniel Jones because if any of
these guys want to increase their brandy, they will do
it in a way that I have more control over
it and it's less risky. It's risky when you turn
your life over to a television company that can do
what they want to do. How they edit it together
and yeah, I know that that that people want to
(19:47):
say evil media, and I go, just stop with evil media.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's a crutch. No situation like this.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
If they get something good, if it's bad, they're gonna
use it, all right, it's not gonna sit back. Oh okay,
we're gonna sit on this because no, if it's good,
if it's good to we're gonna use it. And you
are giving up control over how you are viewed. And
who's going to do that unless you are desperate enough
to get your image out there to say, I really
need something to happen. I really need to make sure
(20:14):
people know who I am right away. That's who's gonna
do the show. But there's nobody that's that desperate. Because
if anybody wants to create an image and get something
out there, they have their pr people, their agent, they're
all working on things. Hey, hey, you're doing this charity exhibit.
Here we have you, and you're gonna do this commercial. Here,
you're gonna make an appearance here, you're gonna do this. Here,
you're gonna be on this podcast. You're gonna pay you
(20:34):
this for this. There's less risky ways to do it
than saying I'm gonna allow you to come in and
film me over the course of a whole season. So
I get I'm surprised these three said, yes, that's what
I'm gonna I'm surprised we got one season out of.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It that all these guys are saying yes. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, I think when you attach Omaha Productions and Peyton,
I'm sure there's some persuasion. And again, you know, owing
back to Peyton's playing career, I don't think any of
us buy the idea that at any point start middle
Superstar and coming back from next surgeries, the resurgence in Denver,
(21:09):
and then the inevitable drop off that was so steep
that he was going to agree to do any of that.
I don't buy that for a second. Not the guy,
not the guy that was the player Peyton in the
post playing career. Sure, I'm sure he could strap a
camera to his head and walk around the house and
tell us everything that he and Eli rip each other
(21:30):
about on a given day. But from the series that
we had, I think Cousins came off okay, right, I
think there's some likable thing made again a bit odd,
but you pulled back the curtain on a guy, you know,
family man, some odd things as you talked about his
trophy case and everything that make you scratch your head,
(21:51):
but makes them who he is. No big loss there.
People are still going to be looking to him to
win games in primetime or in the four o'clock window.
When it comes down to it, that's the next iteration
for him. What can he do now that the Packers
don't have Aaron Rodgers? Right, So it's a pay it
forward for twenty twenty three, for Kirk Cousins and for
(22:14):
the Vikings. But you've got so many guys that have
declined it. Garoppolo, Hurts, Lawrence Tua, dak Gino Fields, you
talked about Daniel Jones, like, so many guys have just
said no. And part of it is what's your control.
The Jets were able to negotiate control. We're not doing this.
(22:35):
We're not going through the old formulas, all of those
things that would normally perhaps cause some chaos and some
bad moments where maybe we don't get to show our
best selves. You can't do that. It's more a love
fest of the team, the players, and particularly it's all
about Aaron Rodgers as our focal point for this season
(22:56):
and whatever Robert salaz a next analogy is gonna be.
But when it comes to the rest of the Netflix
side of things, we're not just in the facility, right
because anything that you've seen off Hard Knocks that wasn't
at the facility. I mean that was week one, all right,
So a little bit of Aaron Rodgers and their sauce
gardener getting his degree. Beyond that, it's on the practice
(23:19):
fields and everything. It's very contained. You're at work as
opposed to here, this guy's gonna trail you at home
if you have a bad moment with your kids because
there you're trying to be on a phone call. Is
that showing up or do you have editorial control to
stop that?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
There's just downside. And if it goes south as things
did for Mariota, now you chronicle it and say, well,
all those people around and they showed this guy can't
cut it. This guy, And if you're in contract negotiations
or there's any type of performance issue that can be
seen as emanating or being spotlighted by this show, yeah,
(23:59):
it just puts you in a world to hurt. And
if you're at a point where you're secure as to
who you are and you can move forward like a
guy like Russell Wilson right now, he's already been ripped
from every angle over the last couple of years. Congratulations
on the new child on the way there for the family.
But like that's a guy that I mean, how much
(24:20):
more can be done to try to cut at him?
But for all these other quarterbacks that are on the rise, Nah,
the risk rewards too much.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, it's it's pretty easy. It's pretty easy to see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Why we got I don't know that we'll get a
second season unless unless Netflix says, hey, Peyton, we really
want this. Yeah, well, you know what, I need some
money and it's okay, we'll pay you five million dollars
to follow you for so oh oh you're gonna be
five million dollars. Okay, Now, now suddenly people will get
get interested. Oh you're gonna be five million dollars. Then
I'll see it. So either if if you can't get
anybody that wants or increase their brands, it's too risky,
(24:53):
but I'll pay you five dollars. Oh okay, now you
can do it. Well, that's the only way we're getting
a second season.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But if we're at a point with the dollar that
they make between the actual contracts, right, anybody that gets
a second deal and endorsements and everything else, there's no
chance in hell that any of those guys are coming
on board, right, I mean they think about our guy
here in Los Angeles, Justin Herbert doesn't want to do
interviews with local media, right, He's gonna go do this show.
(25:23):
I mean, just go on down the line, Matthew Stafford.
I mean he's made what three hundred million dollars plus
in his career? Five million bucks? I mean, look, five
million bucks and five million bucks. But is it changing
his life any No, if Philip Rivers came back, say
with the forty nine ers, theoretically, is he gonna do
Philip Rivers and his band of Merriman so you follow
(25:45):
him and his family around.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, I don't think he is.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I think the money for quarterbacks, I think you have
to aim a little bit lower, because the running backs
for five million dollars, you can get any of those
guys to participate.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Twitter, how about a fresh Mike gets swollen down the
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen so
left season one off running back.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Hey great, I'm just saying, you want to talk about guys,
we're a little bit of financial Inducement'll get them to
come play, show up and do whatever you want to work.
I think that's the position you need to target. Everybody
else is getting paid.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Season one of running back.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right now, we have what's trending in the wide world
of sports with Brian Fenley BF.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What do you got my friend Jason Mike.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
What is trending is something that Gary Sanchez did at
the play today for the Padres, and that's.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Hitt of the year to right field.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Santander is going back, He's at the wall.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This one gonna go.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
First Grand Slam of the season for the Padres comes
on August fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It comes off the bat of Gary Santez.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
That would be Padres Radio now where ten to three
the final score in favor of San Diego. Meanwhile, the
Giants take down the Ray seven to nothing and raise
a Shane McClanahan who is gonna be having Tommy John
surgery next week, forcing him to miss all of next
year and of course the remainder of this year as well.
The Dodgers pick apart the Brewers six to two. That's
(27:10):
nine straight for Los Angeles, while the Mariners come back
after blowing a three run lead in the ninth, they
get it done in ten innings ten to eight against
the hapless Royals. The White Sox pushed through against the
Cubs five to three. The Rangers got two home runs
from Corey Seeger. He drove in five runs in the game,
(27:31):
five of the seven runs the Rangers scored in a
seven to three win against the Halos in Texas, while
the Yankees got boat raced by the Braves five nothing
and the Yanks fault to five hundred. They also had
just one hit in all of the game. The Pirates
with another win against the hapless Mets seven to four.
(27:51):
The final score there Astros over the Marlins six to five.
Kyle Tucker hit that big home run in the seventh
inning to break the five to five tye. Red Sox
score two unanswered as they overcome the Nationals five to four.
Blue Jay's Tower over the Phillies two to one, and
the Guardian step on the Reds three nothing the final score.
(28:14):
Anthony Richardson is going to be quarterback number one, the
starting QB in a week one for the Indanapolis Colts.
He said he was shocked. He said he was thankful
for the opportunity as he beat out Gardner at Minshew
for the opportunity. And lastly, Jason Mike, how about that
running back room with the New York Jets Breese Hall activated.
(28:35):
Then you've got Dolvin Cook and you've got quite the
one two punch there.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Heim and McNeil.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Sure, Johnny Hector right hand once you give it back, Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I'll tell you what from that one two punch to
this one two punch Jason Smith, Mike Harmon.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Boom, thank you very much for having And oh, by
the way, congratulates just to Ryan Yarborough, who got a
three inning saved tonight for the Dodgers for save of
his major league baseball career.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Guys, been an opener, a reliever.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
He has been in the league now for six years,
first save of his career. Anything the Dodgers do doesn't matter. Well, whatever,
everything is, everything's coming up, Jets, everything's coming up Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Everything.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Well, they're a good team, pitching, getting healthy, Lance Lynn,
eating innings and loving the culture and everything there. Mookie
Betts legend, people naming kids after him and everything. And
you got Freddie Freeman. The two of them, two of
the top five players of the game. Everything seems to
rotate around them. And now you got Kershaw back. I
(29:39):
just was watching some video of his ping pong tournament
and his off field charity work and everything. I mean,
come on, feel good story as he comes back to
lead this rotation eating innings.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now another quarterback story to get into. We've heard this
and Brian Finley talked about it in his up. Anthony
Richardson is the new number one quarterback for the Colts
draft to number four overall. His kid has so much
talent and he could be one of the next great
quarterbacks in the NFL. And today he was named the
number one quarterback over Gardner Minshew. Now, I'm gonna throw
(30:15):
two scenarios at you, Mike Carmen, you tell me which
one resulted in him becoming the quarterback. After seeing how
impressive he was in his one quarter of work as
an NFL quarterback so far that was spotty, some good,
some bad, but he's played quarterback for all of one
quarter in the NFL, so good, the Colts decided we
(30:37):
have to name him the starter right now, making that
there or was it Jim Mersey saying, you know, I'm
getting killed on the Jonathan Taylor stuff. I really want
Richardson to be the quarterback. Hey, guys, guess what you're
making him the quarterback. I'm just saying, because what did
we see from Ersa after the draft? He wanted richards
(30:59):
to to be the quarterback. He tweeted out right away
after the announcement was made. I agree with this decision.
You're telling me. He didn't call. He didn't call and
say I want this guy to be the quarterback. I
saw him play on Saturday. He looks fine. Let's get
attention away from this Jonathan Taylor stuff. I'm not gonna
pay the guy. It's ugly. This is the guy I
drafted to be our future. We've been looking for a
quarterback for years. Make him the starting quarterback if you
(31:23):
did one of those CSI, Hey, I can see where
the fingerprints are. Orsay's fingerprints all over this move, because
why would you have to do it now? Why after
one quarter of the season. I get that you want
to tailor your offense around what Anthony Richardson does. I
get that, and it's different from Gardner Minshew, but we
are still in early days.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Of camp. People have played one game, and so you
have to name him. Now.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
The guy's barely played. He's played sixteen games since he
was a senior in high school. He's been given everything,
and you get even. He said, I'm surprised they named
me the starter, that I didn't have to work harder
at it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I'm surprised they said this for I didn't have to
show a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, this is all Ersay saying I want him to
be the quarterback. And that's where I feel bad, because
I want the kid to be in the position I
want all quarterbacks put me in a position to succeed.
Is in the position to succeed right now? No, he isn't,
because he's in doing something right now that maybe he
needs a little bit more time before he's ready to
assume the mantle. But this is how things go in
(32:23):
Indianapolis when you play for Jim Mercy.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think some of it comes down
to the fact that you know, Stiken's just getting started.
Pair them together, grow together from day one. Look, they're
just doing what you've advocated forever. I've been on the
other side of this of if the guy's not ready,
there's no need to rush it. You've got all the controls,
You've got the extra years. I know you start getting
(32:46):
towards the franchise tags or whatever where the cost of
poker goes up through the roof. But you know you
got plenty of time to evaluate and help him grow
if he's not there yet. But in your line of thinking,
and I think for many others, it's the all right,
you drafted them that high for a reason. In this
case you get the extra win of it's a nice
(33:10):
Vegas misdirection away from the Jonathan Taylor situation, so I
certainly can't discount that along the way. You also know
what you're getting with Gardner Minshew, is that riding you
do a championship? No, he's a jag. So start your
young guy. Take the lumps, Ersaying company, go back and
look at what Peyton Manning did as a rookie, and
(33:31):
just recognize guys are gonna take their lumps, Guys are
gonna have their growing pains, and eventually you'll get to
show them their smile again.
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