August 26, 2023 • 41 mins
Aaron Torres & Jason Martin discuss the recent trade involving Trey Lance heading to the Dallas Cowboys and ponder what it means going forward.
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for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. Good Jason Martin, what's
going on man? How you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Maunt doing well?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You can't complain and just a lot happening as usual,
But now we've got football all over the place.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We got college. Man, there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
We have been over the last three four months talking
about everything that was coming, more so than everything that
was happening in the moment, and the stuff that was
coming has now begun to arrive.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So this is kind of the cornucopia. The good stuff
has arrived.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Zero doubt. And you know, you talk about a story
falling in our lap and a story arriving. The San
Francisco forty nine ers have been a topic of conversation.
It's interesting you and I work on Saturday nights in
this time slot seven to eleven Pacific, ten to two
am Eastern, and last Saturday, the San Francisco forty nine
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ers were on our TVs and it was noteworthy that
Trey Lance, it was clear in that game was the
third string quarterback. Brock Perty was back, he got the start,
Sam Darnold came in and it wasn't until I think
about midway through the third quarter that Trey Lance may
appeared in that game. I bring it up because you
and I last Saturday said, what is the future of
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this guy? We obviously found out yesterday on Thias, it
was Wednesday or Thursday that he would be third string
on the depth chart, and then of course earlier today
as the Sega just told you the mega story, and
I do think it's mega. The former third round pick,
third overall pick, excuse me, of the San Francisco forty
nine ers, the guy they traded a million draft picks for,
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now just a few short years into his career, headed
to the Dallas Cowboys. Where were you when you found
out that Trey Lance is a Dallas Cowboy?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Jays?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I mean, I was just doing my usual thing in
the afternoons and I saw it. I was just like,
no way, and explored me only because because when you
look at what they got in return for Trey Lance,
who they traded up for who you remember the smoke screen,
It was gonna be Mac.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Jones And then no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Of course it's gonna be Trey Lance. And we had
people telling us We've talked about this for weeks. I
had expert after expert telling me how great Trey Lance
was gonna be, and I just wanted I wanted him
to tell me what I had not seen, because we
hadn't seen the guy play a lot of football. I
was a little skeptical, but man, I bought the hype
a little bit and just said, I don't know that
I buy it, but I hope you're right because what
(03:33):
you're telling me sounds awesome. And so far, so nothing.
And so now he goes to Dallas, which is weird,
but I don't know that it's that big of a
deal either, just because it's weird to me that they
actually made I guess they made the move. I guess
the Cowboys weren't gonna make the move. But you think
about when he got dropped to number three on the
depth chart at that point in time, so, oh, he's
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not worth much.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
We can go get him now.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
It's like we could take a flyer on that maybe
we can do something with this, or maybe we got
somebody that, you know, there's a little bit more pizzazz
to if Dak were to go down with an injury
or something like that, show us up a bit. But
anybody that's like, oh, Dak stays their number needs to
calm down. I'm still not sure Trey Lance is ever
gonna do much of anything in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, and that's what I was gonna ask next we
can get to the Dallas perspective here momentarily, what does
this say to you about Trey Lance? And I want to,
you know, be fair, we really haven't seen him very much.
I know he technically got the start in Week one
last year. Does this say to you that he's a bust,
that he's not good, that he was just very raw
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coming into the NFL? That the forty nine ers are
in win now mode and brock Purty helps them win,
like I know you just said, and so you know,
maybe that's where you are already going with this, that
there's a potential that there isn't much of a future
for him. But do you think this is just hey,
forty nine ers are in win now mode, they can't
screw around. They got a bunch of older guys on
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big contracts. They got a guy in brock Purty who
obviously had success kind of doing what Kyle Shanahan wants
in that offense. Or do you think this is a
Trey Lance problem that isn't going to get solved by
going to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I don't know if it's Trey Lance problem, but I
do know that he was done no favors by being
told by everybody what a superstar he was while he
was still in college. When you think of the limited
amount of time that he actually played, the limited amount
of football that he actually played for him to be told, oh,
you've got to go and look where he was drafted, Yeah,
(05:32):
I guess he has to go. But what did it
do to his career? If he had been, you know,
accurately slotted, there wouldn't have been any hype, there wouldn't
have been any pressure. He could have learned. Even if
he had come out at the same time, maybe he
goes back to school.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I don't It's easy to look back and say that now,
but at the time it did not make sense to me.
And if I recall right, it didn't make sense to
you either. Like it just it was just like I mean,
we watch it as much, if not more, college ball
the virtually anybody that we work around, because NFL dominates everything,
and we find ourselves on that Saturday night time slot
and so we are reacting to college football and both
(06:09):
of us, you know, kind of buttered our bread in
college sports. Me doing this show in Nashville is all
I have to say. And you already know, but I
just I never got it. I never understood it, and
I'm not sure that it did him any favors because
it rushed him. It rushed him through the assembly line
and he got there and it turns out that car
and driver says, now, you know what, it might look good,
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but that's not a car that's going to drive you
past fifteen thousand miles. And for them to cut bait
for a fourth round pick and put Sam Darnold above
him on the depth chart, what it tells you is
there is no scenario in which the forty nine ers
believe he is valuable to their situation. Meaning, even if
rock Perty were to go down, Trey Lance is still
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not someone we believe is going to do much for us.
They're basically they basically kind of gave it away and said,
this is a guy that does not have much value
to our franchise. I know that sounds harsh, but from
a business perspective, and the way this was portrayed this
week and now making this move and getting in not
very much back, it shows you that his value is
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gone and that they had not any much of any
leverage with which to try and sell a story that
no one was gonna buy.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, it's interesting you to talk about the draft process
because it's worth noting, and I think probably everybody knows.
But it's not just that he went to an FCS school,
a smaller school at North Dakota State. His last year
there was canceled because of COVID. Now I wasn't technically canceled.
They played a spring season, but by then he already
obviously and I understand from his perspective, he had to
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start training for the NFL draft. And so it is
funny what you said, Jason, is it almost reminds me
you mentioned, you know, kind of both of our backgrounds
in college sports. You see this a lot in college basketball,
in high school basketball is whether it's an agent, whether
it's a parent, whether it's a player, whether it's whatever.
It's almost like in a lot of these cases of
(08:05):
these kids, it's like you want to hide, you want
to not play, because the mystery of everything helps kind
of protect you, you know, and the more you play,
the more exposure that you have, the more people can
start picking things apart. And so I do think he
was a little bit of a man of mystery. He
played again just because of the way the schedule worked.
I guess he technically played one game. There was one
(08:27):
game where they played somebody in the middle of the
season there, but then when their season season started, he
wasn't available because he was getting declared for the NFL Draft.
And I'll just say this is you know, when we
talked about this a little bit on our Saturday show,
people can go back and download the podcast. I thought
it was a very good conversation. I think it speaks
to you know what you just said about the NFL
draft monster where I get like when he came out,
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you know, we get what he can be, six foot four,
two twenty five and you know, I don't know what
the forty numbers were and the bench press was at
the time. But it's like, you know, the one thing
that I've learned doing this as long as I have
and as long as we have, especially at the quarterback position,
the more you play, the better. The quarterback isn't the
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position where you want to be hiding. Isn't the position
where if you can opt out of a season you
want to Now you know Jamar Chase opted out of
that college season. It worked out just fine for him.
Michaeh Parsons opted out of that college season. It was
just fine for him, but if you're a quarterback, you
need those game reps, those live reps. You're playing at
a lower level, you're not playing against NFL competition. Obviously,
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I'm not blaming him because a worldwide pandemic shut down
his season, but it just goes back to again that
moment in time where it felt like the best thing
for him was not playing. And it worked out well
for him. He got a lot of money out of it,
but it certainly didn't help him as a quarterback. And
obviously that is seen with as you said, he was
basically given away for nothing earlier today, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
He was, And I mean, I guess you have to
kind of look at it as a song cost and not.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But you can't just stick it out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You can't stick it out just because of what you
gave up for him if indeed it wasn't going to
get any better, and you knew because of where you
put him on the depth chart that he wasn't going
to get reps, he wasn't even gonna get practice reps.
But if you really look at it, I read this
piece in the athletic earlier today. When you look at
what this is from a draft perspective, man, what a
failure for the forty nine ers. They gave up three
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first round picks to go up to the number three pick,
at which point they took a guy who I mean,
we barely ever even saw him, and they end up getting,
you know, a mid level draft pick and a little
bit of relief from his big time contract.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
But this is bad.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I mean, he three first round picks, he made four starts,
he threw one hundred and two passes, and he didn't
even get halfway through his first contract.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
That's not great.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Let me ask you a question. As bad as the
pick was, I don't even know how to phrase this.
I mean, and it speaks to how good everything else is.
And by the way, this goes back to and this
is now we're gonna go down the Jimmy G rabbit
hole where I and maybe it's obvious now because there
was two more seasons where Jimmy G suffered serious injuries,
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including last year, But this goes down the Jimmy G
rabbit hole of you know again, one you don't need
a superstar quarterback. But I'll be blunt is that. I
even remember in that moment in that draft saying, you know, listen,
I'm not saying that Jimmy g is, Tom Brady or
Aaron Rodgers or now Joe Burrow Patrick Mahomes. But at
the same time, that guy was consistent, he won you
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a lot of games. It just speaks to and the
forty nine Ers are actually playing right now in San Francisco.
They're on the goal line against the Chargers here. But
I just bring it up because it speaks to how
good they are everywhere else. And again, I don't even
know where I'm trying to go with this. Just it
it's like, it's kind of amazing. I guess the point
(11:58):
that I'm trying to get to. It's kind of amazing
that they are where they are as a team that
we all believe can win a Super Bowl when they
completely whift on not only a quarterback in the top five,
but then gave up future picks that could be used
right now to supplement other areas on this roster. So
I don't know if it's a weird badge of honor
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for how good everything else has gone in San Francisco,
or just it speaks to what that it's one of
the worst trades in the history of the sport because
the quarterback didn't work out and he gave up a
bunch to get him. I don't know how I feel
from that perspective, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean, I guess time's gonna tell. We have
to see whether or not he actually gets some reps
or gets any kind of opportunities at all. Can he
take Cooper Rush's spot?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Does that give him something? Is Dak set well?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Dak's making so much money that certainly he's going to
have the opportunity for a while. But we do know
he has had some health issues, so I guess I
should never know. If you're the Cowboys, I can understand
why you take the risk, honestly, as long as Dak
doesn't think he needs to be looking over his shoulder,
which I think would be insane if he did feel
that way, not just because of the money, but because
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there's no indication that Trey Lance should be any kind
of a threat to Dak Prescott his job perspective. But
if you're the Cowboys looking at a guy that went
number three in the draft, you know, not even four
years ago, and you gave up a fourth round pick
for him, So that's not the worst.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
My apologies, Jason, I mean to cut you off. I
was gonna say, why don't we come back and discuss
the Cowboys perspective? What does it mean for them, what
does it mean for Dak and what does it mean
for Trey Lance. The next chapter of his career is official,
as we've been discussing. If you're in the car, if
you haven't seen the story, Trey Lance traded to the
Dallas Cowboys. His career in San Francisco is over all
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Just joining us again, Erontrris, Jason Martin in for Jason
Smith and Mike Harmon tonight and the big story. Dallas
Cowboys have themselves a new quarterback, Dak Press. This guy
is still there, but earlier today they did trade a
fourth round pick for Trey Lance, the now former San
Francisco forty nine er and of course the number three
overall pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Earlier
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we were talking about the impact and what does it
mean for Trey Lance. But Jason, I'll flip it over
to you from the Cowboys perspective, and I'll just be blunt, I.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Think to me.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Low risk or is that right? Low risk high reward?
Like I like it, So I guess it's low risk,
high reward because listen, Dak as crazy as it sounds,
because it does feel like he just got into a league.
Dak is thirty years old. Listen, he has had a
couple of season ending injuries and not wishing any ill will.
And I'm not saying he's injury prone or anything like that,
but he's on the other side of thirty and I
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just sit there and say, you know what, this guy
he does have top five potential. He is a work
in progress and maybe it's just going to take more
time to get there. We open the show, Jason by
you bringing up the point like this was a guy
that even in college, like it was a tool, Like
when you bet on him in the twenty twenty one
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NFL Draft, when you were in the San Francisco forty nine ers,
you bet on the tools in the upside, but you
knew it was gonna take time. You hoped it came
together faster, and instead it hasn't. So I like it.
From the Cowboys perspective, I can see Trey Lance developing
into something another year or two down the Road. I
have not given up for him. From the Cowboys perspective,
What do you think, Jason?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
All Right, So if he sits behind Dak, he's gonna
learn we know what Dak is, we know what he's not,
and you can take that however you want. There's positives
to that statement, there's negatives to it. We know what
his limitations appear to be. At this point, he kind
of is what he is. We also knows he's pretty good.
Like he's not elite. He's probably not gonna be in
a Hall of Fame discussion someday, we don't think.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
But he's all right.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He's been a pretty solid player in the NFL, and
he's somebody that's had to come back from injuries. Guess
what Trey Lance twenty twenty two injury, very similar injury.
As a matter of fact, I think I think the
bet for the Cowboys is not Trey Lance is gonna
be our starting quarterback in the future. I feel like,
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and I've seen this written elsewhere, so it's certainly not
just my thought. It feels like to me, if he
sits behind Dak, he gets better, He's able to do
a little bit more, his stock goes up, a bit,
then the Cowboys have an asset that they can use
to potentially trade him where he does get an opportunity.
(18:34):
I don't think his future opportunity is in Dallas. I
think this is where he grows and this is where
he gets that second chance, like a Mitch Trubisky. You
remember how Mitch Trubisky was talked about before his second stint,
about how he's talked about in the offseason that year,
and oh man, somebody's gonna get a steal here, you know,
they bring in to Pittsburgh and everything else.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I think that's what you might be looking at here.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And that's not to say it's gonna go the same
way it did for Mitch Trubisky. It's just to say
that Trey Lance, it's a tough road and it's a
tough ass for a young guy that it just hasn't gone.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
The way he was told it was going to go.
And so we.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Got to see, we got to see from here what
he's able to make of it. But from Dallas's perspective,
if they can turn him into a little bit of something,
then they're gonna end up better off than they started.
And just by some miracle, if it turns out that
that third pick thing wasn't entirely dumb. It just didn't
work in that first scenario. Who knows what you might
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have done, and you didn't have to give up much
to at least take this shot.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, And so this goes to and it's interesting because
the forty nine ers are literally on right now we're
as we're talking, and I was thinking, why you were chatting,
Jason is one. Obviously we don't know exactly what Dallas'
offense is going to look like, you know, under Mike
McCarthy isspposed to Kellen Moore. But why I bring it
up is because the San Francisco offense and I'm no
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x's and o's expert. I'm not claiming to be, but
it feels like it is just, you know, so heavy
handed from Kyle Shanahan's perspective, and he just needs the
quarterback to execute what he needs to execute right like that.
Jimmy G's the perfect guy for that system because he's
he's not that great, but he's gonna do what you
need him to do on every play. Brock Purty the same. Yep,
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that's not Trey Lance's. That's not what we believe Trey
Lance's strengths are Trey Lance's strengths are athleticism, mobility, making
plays off script, and so maybe this was always doomed
to fail because you know, and we go back to
again the conversation we had last segment and the conversations
we've been having since twenty twenty one, why I never
like to pick. They have a team and a roster that,
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throughout the entire time they've had him is built to
win a super Bowl right now and really built. This
is from the San Francisco perspective, to have a quarterback
that doesn't beat that, that doesn't make mistakes and doesn't
beat himself. Trey Lance is going to make mistakes, and
that's okay, that's part of the learning curve. But that's
also part of the up side that you're so excited about.
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So I'm not sitting here saying that it's going to
work out in Dallas. And by the way, I'm not
even sitting here saying that I know exactly what the
Cowboys offense is going to look like under Mike McCarthy.
I do think, though, there's a possibility that if he
ever gets the opportunity, his skill set may be better
fitting in a place like that as opposed to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And again I think the purty Garoppolo type, I mean Shanahan.
I think Shanahan sees himself as the mad scientist. He's
the one like, just go out and do what I
tell you to do. You're gonna win a lot of games.
And Garoppolo proved he could do it, party has shown
that he can do it. I'm interested to see what
that looks like now that people have a little bit
more film on him.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is he's still going to be that.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But that's what we heard about him that that endeared
him so much to the coaching staff was whatever you
told him to do, he could go ahead and execute it,
and he's gonna do it with a.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
You know, with the right attitude.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And I think for a Kyle Shanahan type, that might
be all you need to give you a shot, especially
when you have the weapons that you have around him.
Then you go grab McCaffrey on top of that defense,
and we already know about the wide receivers and Kittle
at tight end. So they were in a really good spot.
Now where Chrey Lance goes to in Dallas. They certainly
have weapons and they're but they do have Look, Cooper
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Rush has played decently when he's been asked to, you know,
step in for Dak Prescott, So who knows if he's
ever even gonna supplant Cooper Rush meaning Chrey Lance.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But Lance just being around Prescott.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
As long as Prescott feels pretty comfortable in his role
and there's no threat there or anything else, then Lance
is in a good spot to learn from a good guy,
a pro who's you know, had his ups and downs,
has dealt with injuries and come back from them. I
have been very critical of Lance in terms of what
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I thought he could do because of when he was
drafted and because of the hype train and all of that,
But I I certainly still hope that someday he proves
me entirely wrong. So I'm very curious to see what
happens now, how this goes from this point on for
Trey Lance, because now really the magnifying glass is off
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him getting out of San Francisco. No one's expecting anything
from Trey Lance from this point forward, So anything that
we do get is going to be a net positive.
A lot of the stories about where he came from.
I mean, I was even reading a few articles prior
to the show about Trey Lance. It was just like, well,
maybe he wasn't as fast as athletic as we thought
considering the opponents he was playing.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Was like, well did we knew that at the time.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's not like this is new information that it's like,
this is something you probably should have factored in. Then
don't use it now to say, well, maybe we goofed
on this because it was James Madison, like back off, Like,
I know he is still athletic, and I know there
was something about him that had Scout salivating and had
you know, draft experts salivating over him. And again from
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from the Cowboys perspective, this is absolutely a sensible decision
for them to make because, as you let off this segment,
extremely low risk and high reward, whether or not he's
wearing your uniform in a couple of years or you've
been able to flip him for another asset or a
decent draft pick. And then he gets his opportunity in
his third stop.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This is Fox Sports Radio the Jason Smith Show. Jason
and Mike were in earlier today. Aaron Torres, Jason Martin
filling in this evening, tell you what Jason will come back.
We want to talk. We want to switch gears from
the number three pick in the twenty twenty one draft
to the one from this past draft. Anthony Richardson played
last night. I know Jason and Mike talked about it,
but I have some thoughts and I know you do
too about what we saw from Anthony Richardson. That's next,
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first though, first time for us this evening to saga,
what's Christeve? Hello, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
So much to talk about tonight, including the three NFL
exhibitions going on at San Francisco. The Chargers have just
taken a seven to six lead on the Niners late
first quarter Joshua Kelly seventy five yard touchdown run, but
Brock Perdy had a nice opening quarter, in fact, a
great first drive, and then a teammate fumbled into the
end zone near the goal line. No points on the
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second drive, though Perdy himself five yard touchdown run for
a six to nothing lead. The problem is the forty
nine ers third round rookie kicker Jake Moody is out
tonight with a stringed quad, so kicker Zane Gonzalez was
gonna be the guy tonight. Turns out he's out with
a calf injury. So they trotted the punter out for
the extra point kick and it was wide left and
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their down one late first quarter. For what it's worth,
Chargers seven to six. As for the Detroit game, they
were down ten to nothing at Carolina after the first quarter.
Bryce Young a touchdown passed Adam thielend for the Panthers.
But it's now Lyons twenty to seventeen in the lead
early fourth quarter at Carolina. Teddy Bridgewater getting a lot
of time for Detroit and wearing number seventeen tonight. He
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had worn number five for his career. Five wasn't available
coming to the Lions, so he wore five to oh
last week. Seventeen that's what he's wearing tonight, and as mentioned,
he got time thirteen of twenty two, passing one hundred
and seventy eight yards and one touchdown, Lions leading early forth.
I know they've relaxed the number rules in the NFL.
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You can see a linebacker wearing number zero now. It
would still be illegal for a quarterback to wear fifty
in the regular season. Let's just say that out loud,
or even a running back for that matter, you can
wear zero to forty nine, but yeah, no fifty for
running backs or quarterbacks or even wide receivers. It's zero
to forty nine or something in the eighties. There is
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one other game going on. It's New England at Tennessee
and with about eleven minutes to go, Titans leading twenty
to seven over the Patriots. Malik Willis has been the
quarterback the whole way for Tennessee. Two touchdowns now and
two interceptions to Major League Baseball from Bervaldez. Houston pitcher
through a no hitter early this month on ninety three pitches.
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He had a no hitter through seven innings tonight at Detroit,
but on a h hundred and fourteen pitches, including five walks,
so he was pulled after seven innings. A pinch hitter
singled with one out in the bottom of the eighth
at Detroit. Bottom of the ninth, Detroit was down one nothing.
Houston brought in its closer, Ryan Presley. He gave up
four in the bottom of the ninth, including the game
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winning homer four to one. Detroit is the final from
Berveldez on a rare list of guys in the last
sixty plus years who've in the same calendar month had
a no hitter and a no hit bit of at
least seven innings. Nolan Ryan did that nineteen seventy three.
Vita Blues on the list from nineteen seventy as well.
The Milwaukee Brewers going for a six straight win er
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beating the Padres seven to one in the bottom of
the eighth Texas Rangers have lost seven in a row.
They're down twelve to two at Minnesota. In the top
of the ninth inning. The Angels beat the Mets in
New York three to one. Show Hey Otani the Angels
dh with a double and three walks. He will continue
to hit, and he's batting three zh five this year,
but he won't pitch with the torn elbow ligament victories
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for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. For Cleveland and the Dodgers, Mookie
Betts with a great ovation, taking his bat to the
plate in the first inning as a visitor at Fenway Park.
Dodgers down three to nothing early, eventually beat Boston seven
to four. Four more hits for Freddie Freeman, Washington and
the Yankees with wins Baltimore beat Colorado five to four
with a two run homer bottom of the eights from
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Gunner Henderson. And then there's that Detroit game against Houston.
Just can't get over a guy I can't say came
close to a second no hitter of the month. It
was one hundred and fourteen pitches thrown. He wasn't gonna
be pitching the eighth in the ninth, but then to
not even have his team win the game against the Tigers,
honestly amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports, Fox Sports Radio. This is the
Jason Smith Show. Jason and Mike are out this evening.
They of course filled in for Doug Gottlieb as well
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You can catch them on podcast air Torres Jason Martin
taking you till two a m. Eastern time. Jason, So,
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we just talked about number three pick in the twenty
twenty one NFL draft. Trey Lance has been traded as
the sacre just told you briefly, I do want to
touch on the number three pick in the most recent
NFL draft, which of course was Anthony Richardson. Know, the
guys talked about him last night, but it's very interesting.
You know, there's a lot of symmetry, Jason, between our
show on Saturday and what is going on in the
(29:26):
present world. We were on Saturday night and we led
our show with the fact that Anthony Richardson, you know,
we were kind of just reacting to the news of the
evening in the NFL, but that specific Saturday. So last Saturday,
a week ago tomorrow, the Indianapolis Colts were playing their
second preseason game. Anthony Richardson was in street close and
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you and I both thought, well, as he heard, is
what's going on? And we both said he kind of
needs some game reps. Bring it up because last night
he did play not the greatest effort I would say,
I mean play extended extended snaps six of seventeen passing
seventy eight yards. But I bring it up because because
a lot of highs, a lot of lows. I saw
him kind of doing the you know, kind of mocking
(30:09):
the Eagles with kind of some one of their celebrations,
but didn't look great. I don't want to do, you know,
especially on a day where Trey Lance you know it
didn't work out. I don't want to do the overreaction
to one preseason game, but I think even last night's
effort kind of speaks to why you and I were
shocked that he wasn't playing last Saturday, because I think
he needs as many reps as possible, and I think
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it's going to be an uphill battle with him and
that roster this season in Indianapolis.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah, and look, we were talking about this this morning.
We knew this topic was coming again. And Anthony Richardson
needs things to be good around him, and he needs
time and he needs patience in a league that doesn't
generally give you much of either. I think culture about
to be really bad. Mm hm, he's raw. They don't
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have a ton of receiving talent around him. The air
offensive lot.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
No, that's all right, Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
He may still be a cult because there might be
the market that and he might not. The offer might
not be there that then he's gonna take. And so
maybe he's gonna be back with them, but that's not
gonna be a good situation.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Even if he is.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
You wouldn't think they've got a first year head coach
who's coming off you know, the bloom of being the
offensive coordinator for a Super Bowl runner up that had
a real shot to win that game. Obviously, and obviously,
and he did great work with Jalen Hurts. Anthony Richardson had,
you know, fifty five percent completion percentage in college, struggled
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throwing the football with accuracy was super raw. We know
what his measurables are. We know how athletic he is.
We saw what he did at the combine. But what's
he going to do on the football field for four
quarters and sixty minutes a game for an entire regular
season with what he has around him. There's just too
many things that I don't like about the culture right now.
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Stichen is young, so he's gonna have There's gonna be
some growing pains there. Richardson, We got to find out
what's gonna happen with Jonathan Taylor. The offensive line is
not what it once was. They've dealt with injuries, especially
to key contributors. The defense as holes. The receiving talent
is Pittman and a bunch of guys. It's just not great.
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And then you have kind of a head case as
your owner, and you have a general manager where we
were talking one way about Chris Ballard just a few
years ago. I'm not sure that he's seen quite in
the same light now because there have been some baffling
choices in how they've built that team. I just think
the Colts are like a five to six win football.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Team right now. Maybe they're not.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Maybe I am completely wrong, but there's no reason, there's
no indication, there is no evidence. Looking at their roster
and looking at all of the disconnected pieces, there's no
reason for me to feel particularly optimist whatsoever about their
immediate future. I think they are about to have a really,
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really rough year.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'll tell you what, Jason, I have two reactions to
everything you just said about Anthony Richardson, about the Colts
as an organization. We're gonna come back discuss that next.
The Colts struggled last night. Anthony Richardson sat out the
home game played last night. It did not go well.
We'll continue the conversation on this year's number three overall pick,
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Anthony Richardson. That's next.
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Before the break we were talking a little bit about
the performance last night by Anthony Richardson, the of course,
rookie quarterback of the Indianapolis Colt. A little bit of
a struggle, which you know it happens, but it comes
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for a guy that we all know is very much
a work in progress coming into the NFL last year
at Florida, completed just fifty four percent of his passes.
Before the breakdays we were talking about the Colts and
two things really stand out. One, you know, again, you
don't want to put the car before the horse with
Anthony Richardson. He's got plenty of time to prove himself.
(35:25):
But you know, I do think this speaks to a
little bit about what we talked about earlier with Trey Lance,
the idea that I'm not saying it was wrong of
the Colts to draft Anthony Richardson, but sometimes we act
as though evaluating NFL quarterbacks is splitting the atom, and
the bottom line is there's just not a very good
track record of guys with Anthony Richardson's you know, statistical
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output having success in the NFL. That will come in time.
But two, you brought up an interesting point about the
Colts organization just it feels like a mess. You know,
Ersay has been kind of just this weird figurehead for
a while. It really got me thinking, you know, I
was thinking about, this is for most of our lives
(36:10):
people listening. I don't know how old everybody is, but
most of the last twenty five to thirty years, the
Colts really were a you know, a testament to consistency
and success. And I was thinking about this. Was Peyton
Manning just that great like and I think Bill Pollian
being there, the team that he put around Peyton Manning.
(36:33):
But it feels like ever since Peyton Manning went down,
it's just been one weird thing after another. And I
know that a couple good years with Andrew Luck, but
even Andrew Luck retiring at thirty speaks to the fact
that he that they didn't put very much a very
competitive team around him. He was getting killed in the pocket.
And then obviously it's been a conveyor belt of one
thing after the other Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, you know,
(36:53):
Jacoby Brissett, on and on. I was really thinking, like,
I just wonder if Peyton Manning was that great that
he covered up a lot of holes that maybe we
didn't realize at the time, and maybe this place has
always been this dysfunctional and they just happened to have
one of the two or three all time greats covering
up a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I think it's a fascinating conversation to have. I do
think he is that good, there's no question about that.
I also think he did benefit from decent team building.
You know, they had Edger and James, they had Dallas Clark,
of course, they had Marvin Harrison, they had Reggie Wayne.
They had a lot of talent around Peyton Manning, and
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then they had a couple of defensive stalwarts throughout much
of his career, obviously, Dwight Freeney and Mathis and Bob
Sanders and all of that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
At the same time, there's.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Something to be said for this, and here's here's how
you know it right, because the same thing is true
in New England. The same exact thing has pretty much
been true in New England. You didn't realize. You knew
Tom Brady was great, but what have they been since
he left? You realize how different it is when you
have a quarterback that is a true leader and a
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stabilizing force and someone that becomes just, you know, something
iconic in a community. You have a lot of things
that can cover upwards. And many franchises are looking at
him and saying, yet, now you know what it's like
to be us, And I think that's.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Maybe what it is, right.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean, what is Kansas City now with Patrick Mahomes
that they weren't with Alex Smith? I mean, Alex Smith
was good. Alex Smith didn't get him to the Super
Bowl as good as Andy Reid has been. It was
Mahomes that got him there. It's still and increasingly a
quarterbacks league. And so when you look at Manning, I
think it's a really interesting conversation to have. I think
that he is still underrated just because he didn't make
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it to too many Super Bowls. He got that second one,
but he got it with my guys in Denver. You know,
went to any and lost that one to the Saints
after beating the in that rain game. But Peyton Manning.
I think is if somebody out there was like, he's
the second best quarterback of all time, I think you
could make the argument and not feel insane about it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'll tell you what. Jason and I want to continue
this conversation, but really quickly, there is breaking news. We're
gonna toss it over to.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Sega's Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
It's a developing story, but apparently two fans were shot
inside the White Sox game tonight. Chicago police could be
seen with their rifles outside the stadium Guaranteed Right Field
in Chicago as fans were let out the game is over.
White Sox lost at home to Oakland. Two wounded, and
shortly after the two were shot of tonight's game, the
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White Sox put a message on the scoreboard attention fans.
Due to technical issues, tonight's postgame concert has been canceled.
No further explanation, but crime reporters, including those on the
Northwest side, hearing scanners hearing people inside talk about blood
in section one sixty two, which would be in the
(40:00):
left field seats, that there were victims, but this is
a shooting where apparently the quote victims, yes, we're hit
but are okay live round reportedly recovered by security inside
the ballpark and taken to the security office Gate four
behind home plate. One victim gunshot grays to the stomach.
Second victim inside reportedly a female who suffered a gunshot
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wound to the leg and was taken to University of
Chicago medicine. And a third person a female hit by
a bullet but did not sustain any injuries. But this
at the White Sox game inside the ballpark tonight, very.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Scary stuff, Disagre, thank you very much, and obviously Disagre
will have continued updates and we will as well on
a developing story out of Chicago, where again there appears
to have been a shooting right around the Chicago White
Sox stadium as the game got out. Again, we will
keep you updated on all of that as the night
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Speaker 4 (01:06):
Maunt doing well?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You can't complain and just a lot happening as usual,
But now we've got football all over the place.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We got college. Man, there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
We have been over the last three four months talking
about everything that was coming, more so than everything that
was happening in the moment, and the stuff that was
coming has now begun to arrive.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So this is kind of the cornucopia. The good stuff
has arrived.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Zero doubt. And you know, you talk about a story
falling in our lap and a story arriving. The San
Francisco forty nine ers have been a topic of conversation.
It's interesting you and I work on Saturday nights in
this time slot seven to eleven Pacific, ten to two
am Eastern, and last Saturday, the San Francisco forty nine
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ers were on our TVs and it was noteworthy that
Trey Lance, it was clear in that game was the
third string quarterback. Brock Perty was back, he got the start,
Sam Darnold came in and it wasn't until I think
about midway through the third quarter that Trey Lance may
appeared in that game. I bring it up because you
and I last Saturday said, what is the future of
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this guy? We obviously found out yesterday on Thias, it
was Wednesday or Thursday that he would be third string
on the depth chart, and then of course earlier today
as the Sega just told you the mega story, and
I do think it's mega. The former third round pick,
third overall pick, excuse me, of the San Francisco forty
nine ers, the guy they traded a million draft picks for,
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now just a few short years into his career, headed
to the Dallas Cowboys. Where were you when you found
out that Trey Lance is a Dallas Cowboy?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Jays?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I mean, I was just doing my usual thing in
the afternoons and I saw it. I was just like,
no way, and explored me only because because when you
look at what they got in return for Trey Lance,
who they traded up for who you remember the smoke screen,
It was gonna be Mac.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Jones And then no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Of course it's gonna be Trey Lance. And we had
people telling us We've talked about this for weeks. I
had expert after expert telling me how great Trey Lance
was gonna be, and I just wanted I wanted him
to tell me what I had not seen, because we
hadn't seen the guy play a lot of football. I
was a little skeptical, but man, I bought the hype
a little bit and just said, I don't know that
I buy it, but I hope you're right because what
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you're telling me sounds awesome. And so far, so nothing.
And so now he goes to Dallas, which is weird,
but I don't know that it's that big of a
deal either, just because it's weird to me that they
actually made I guess they made the move. I guess
the Cowboys weren't gonna make the move. But you think
about when he got dropped to number three on the
depth chart at that point in time, so, oh, he's
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not worth much.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
We can go get him now.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
It's like we could take a flyer on that maybe
we can do something with this, or maybe we got
somebody that, you know, there's a little bit more pizzazz
to if Dak were to go down with an injury
or something like that, show us up a bit. But
anybody that's like, oh, Dak stays their number needs to
calm down. I'm still not sure Trey Lance is ever
gonna do much of anything in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, and that's what I was gonna ask next we
can get to the Dallas perspective here momentarily, what does
this say to you about Trey Lance? And I want to,
you know, be fair, we really haven't seen him very much.
I know he technically got the start in Week one
last year. Does this say to you that he's a bust,
that he's not good, that he was just very raw
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coming into the NFL? That the forty nine ers are
in win now mode and brock Purty helps them win,
like I know you just said, and so you know,
maybe that's where you are already going with this, that
there's a potential that there isn't much of a future
for him. But do you think this is just hey,
forty nine ers are in win now mode, they can't
screw around. They got a bunch of older guys on
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big contracts. They got a guy in brock Purty who
obviously had success kind of doing what Kyle Shanahan wants
in that offense. Or do you think this is a
Trey Lance problem that isn't going to get solved by
going to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I don't know if it's Trey Lance problem, but I
do know that he was done no favors by being
told by everybody what a superstar he was while he
was still in college. When you think of the limited
amount of time that he actually played, the limited amount
of football that he actually played for him to be told, oh,
you've got to go and look where he was drafted, Yeah,
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I guess he has to go. But what did it
do to his career? If he had been, you know,
accurately slotted, there wouldn't have been any hype, there wouldn't
have been any pressure. He could have learned. Even if
he had come out at the same time, maybe he
goes back to school.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I don't It's easy to look back and say that now,
but at the time it did not make sense to me.
And if I recall right, it didn't make sense to
you either. Like it just it was just like I mean,
we watch it as much, if not more, college ball
the virtually anybody that we work around, because NFL dominates everything,
and we find ourselves on that Saturday night time slot
and so we are reacting to college football and both
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of us, you know, kind of buttered our bread in
college sports. Me doing this show in Nashville is all
I have to say. And you already know, but I
just I never got it. I never understood it, and
I'm not sure that it did him any favors because
it rushed him. It rushed him through the assembly line
and he got there and it turns out that car
and driver says, now, you know what, it might look good,
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but that's not a car that's going to drive you
past fifteen thousand miles. And for them to cut bait
for a fourth round pick and put Sam Darnold above
him on the depth chart, what it tells you is
there is no scenario in which the forty nine ers
believe he is valuable to their situation. Meaning, even if
rock Perty were to go down, Trey Lance is still
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not someone we believe is going to do much for us.
They're basically they basically kind of gave it away and said,
this is a guy that does not have much value
to our franchise. I know that sounds harsh, but from
a business perspective, and the way this was portrayed this
week and now making this move and getting in not
very much back, it shows you that his value is
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gone and that they had not any much of any
leverage with which to try and sell a story that
no one was gonna buy.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, it's interesting you to talk about the draft process
because it's worth noting, and I think probably everybody knows.
But it's not just that he went to an FCS school,
a smaller school at North Dakota State. His last year
there was canceled because of COVID. Now I wasn't technically canceled.
They played a spring season, but by then he already
obviously and I understand from his perspective, he had to
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start training for the NFL draft. And so it is
funny what you said, Jason, is it almost reminds me
you mentioned, you know, kind of both of our backgrounds
in college sports. You see this a lot in college basketball,
in high school basketball is whether it's an agent, whether
it's a parent, whether it's a player, whether it's whatever.
It's almost like in a lot of these cases of
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these kids, it's like you want to hide, you want
to not play, because the mystery of everything helps kind
of protect you, you know, and the more you play,
the more exposure that you have, the more people can
start picking things apart. And so I do think he
was a little bit of a man of mystery. He
played again just because of the way the schedule worked.
I guess he technically played one game. There was one
(08:27):
game where they played somebody in the middle of the
season there, but then when their season season started, he
wasn't available because he was getting declared for the NFL Draft.
And I'll just say this is you know, when we
talked about this a little bit on our Saturday show,
people can go back and download the podcast. I thought
it was a very good conversation. I think it speaks
to you know what you just said about the NFL
draft monster where I get like when he came out,
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you know, we get what he can be, six foot four,
two twenty five and you know, I don't know what
the forty numbers were and the bench press was at
the time. But it's like, you know, the one thing
that I've learned doing this as long as I have
and as long as we have, especially at the quarterback position,
the more you play, the better. The quarterback isn't the
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position where you want to be hiding. Isn't the position
where if you can opt out of a season you
want to Now you know Jamar Chase opted out of
that college season. It worked out just fine for him.
Michaeh Parsons opted out of that college season. It was
just fine for him, but if you're a quarterback, you
need those game reps, those live reps. You're playing at
a lower level, you're not playing against NFL competition. Obviously,
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I'm not blaming him because a worldwide pandemic shut down
his season, but it just goes back to again that
moment in time where it felt like the best thing
for him was not playing. And it worked out well
for him. He got a lot of money out of it,
but it certainly didn't help him as a quarterback. And
obviously that is seen with as you said, he was
basically given away for nothing earlier today, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
He was, And I mean, I guess you have to
kind of look at it as a song cost and not.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But you can't just stick it out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You can't stick it out just because of what you
gave up for him if indeed it wasn't going to
get any better, and you knew because of where you
put him on the depth chart that he wasn't going
to get reps, he wasn't even gonna get practice reps.
But if you really look at it, I read this
piece in the athletic earlier today. When you look at
what this is from a draft perspective, man, what a
failure for the forty nine ers. They gave up three
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first round picks to go up to the number three pick,
at which point they took a guy who I mean,
we barely ever even saw him, and they end up getting,
you know, a mid level draft pick and a little
bit of relief from his big time contract.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
But this is bad.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I mean, he three first round picks, he made four starts,
he threw one hundred and two passes, and he didn't
even get halfway through his first contract.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
That's not great.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Let me ask you a question. As bad as the
pick was, I don't even know how to phrase this.
I mean, and it speaks to how good everything else is.
And by the way, this goes back to and this
is now we're gonna go down the Jimmy G rabbit
hole where I and maybe it's obvious now because there
was two more seasons where Jimmy G suffered serious injuries,
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including last year, But this goes down the Jimmy G
rabbit hole of you know again, one you don't need
a superstar quarterback. But I'll be blunt is that. I
even remember in that moment in that draft saying, you know, listen,
I'm not saying that Jimmy g is, Tom Brady or
Aaron Rodgers or now Joe Burrow Patrick Mahomes. But at
the same time, that guy was consistent, he won you
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a lot of games. It just speaks to and the
forty nine Ers are actually playing right now in San Francisco.
They're on the goal line against the Chargers here. But
I just bring it up because it speaks to how
good they are everywhere else. And again, I don't even
know where I'm trying to go with this. Just it
it's like, it's kind of amazing. I guess the point
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that I'm trying to get to. It's kind of amazing
that they are where they are as a team that
we all believe can win a Super Bowl when they
completely whift on not only a quarterback in the top five,
but then gave up future picks that could be used
right now to supplement other areas on this roster. So
I don't know if it's a weird badge of honor
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for how good everything else has gone in San Francisco,
or just it speaks to what that it's one of
the worst trades in the history of the sport because
the quarterback didn't work out and he gave up a
bunch to get him. I don't know how I feel
from that perspective, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean, I guess time's gonna tell. We have
to see whether or not he actually gets some reps
or gets any kind of opportunities at all. Can he
take Cooper Rush's spot?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Does that give him something? Is Dak set well?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Dak's making so much money that certainly he's going to
have the opportunity for a while. But we do know
he has had some health issues, so I guess I
should never know. If you're the Cowboys, I can understand
why you take the risk, honestly, as long as Dak
doesn't think he needs to be looking over his shoulder,
which I think would be insane if he did feel
that way, not just because of the money, but because
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there's no indication that Trey Lance should be any kind
of a threat to Dak Prescott his job perspective. But
if you're the Cowboys looking at a guy that went
number three in the draft, you know, not even four
years ago, and you gave up a fourth round pick
for him, So that's not the worst.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
My apologies, Jason, I mean to cut you off. I
was gonna say, why don't we come back and discuss
the Cowboys perspective? What does it mean for them, what
does it mean for Dak and what does it mean
for Trey Lance. The next chapter of his career is official,
as we've been discussing. If you're in the car, if
you haven't seen the story, Trey Lance traded to the
Dallas Cowboys. His career in San Francisco is over all
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Just joining us again, Erontrris, Jason Martin in for Jason
Smith and Mike Harmon tonight and the big story. Dallas
Cowboys have themselves a new quarterback, Dak Press. This guy
is still there, but earlier today they did trade a
fourth round pick for Trey Lance, the now former San
Francisco forty nine er and of course the number three
overall pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Earlier
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we were talking about the impact and what does it
mean for Trey Lance. But Jason, I'll flip it over
to you from the Cowboys perspective, and I'll just be blunt, I.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Think to me.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Low risk or is that right? Low risk high reward?
Like I like it, So I guess it's low risk,
high reward because listen, Dak as crazy as it sounds,
because it does feel like he just got into a league.
Dak is thirty years old. Listen, he has had a
couple of season ending injuries and not wishing any ill will.
And I'm not saying he's injury prone or anything like that,
but he's on the other side of thirty and I
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just sit there and say, you know what, this guy
he does have top five potential. He is a work
in progress and maybe it's just going to take more
time to get there. We open the show, Jason by
you bringing up the point like this was a guy
that even in college, like it was a tool, Like
when you bet on him in the twenty twenty one
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NFL Draft, when you were in the San Francisco forty nine ers,
you bet on the tools in the upside, but you
knew it was gonna take time. You hoped it came
together faster, and instead it hasn't. So I like it.
From the Cowboys perspective, I can see Trey Lance developing
into something another year or two down the Road. I
have not given up for him. From the Cowboys perspective,
What do you think, Jason?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
All Right, So if he sits behind Dak, he's gonna
learn we know what Dak is, we know what he's not,
and you can take that however you want. There's positives
to that statement, there's negatives to it. We know what
his limitations appear to be. At this point, he kind
of is what he is. We also knows he's pretty good.
Like he's not elite. He's probably not gonna be in
a Hall of Fame discussion someday, we don't think.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
But he's all right.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He's been a pretty solid player in the NFL, and
he's somebody that's had to come back from injuries. Guess
what Trey Lance twenty twenty two injury, very similar injury.
As a matter of fact, I think I think the
bet for the Cowboys is not Trey Lance is gonna
be our starting quarterback in the future. I feel like,
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and I've seen this written elsewhere, so it's certainly not
just my thought. It feels like to me, if he
sits behind Dak, he gets better, He's able to do
a little bit more, his stock goes up, a bit,
then the Cowboys have an asset that they can use
to potentially trade him where he does get an opportunity.
(18:34):
I don't think his future opportunity is in Dallas. I
think this is where he grows and this is where
he gets that second chance, like a Mitch Trubisky. You
remember how Mitch Trubisky was talked about before his second stint,
about how he's talked about in the offseason that year,
and oh man, somebody's gonna get a steal here, you know,
they bring in to Pittsburgh and everything else.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I think that's what you might be looking at here.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And that's not to say it's gonna go the same
way it did for Mitch Trubisky. It's just to say
that Trey Lance, it's a tough road and it's a
tough ass for a young guy that it just hasn't gone.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
The way he was told it was going to go.
And so we.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Got to see, we got to see from here what
he's able to make of it. But from Dallas's perspective,
if they can turn him into a little bit of something,
then they're gonna end up better off than they started.
And just by some miracle, if it turns out that
that third pick thing wasn't entirely dumb. It just didn't
work in that first scenario. Who knows what you might
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have done, and you didn't have to give up much
to at least take this shot.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, And so this goes to and it's interesting because
the forty nine ers are literally on right now we're
as we're talking, and I was thinking, why you were chatting,
Jason is one. Obviously we don't know exactly what Dallas'
offense is going to look like, you know, under Mike
McCarthy isspposed to Kellen Moore. But why I bring it
up is because the San Francisco offense and I'm no
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x's and o's expert. I'm not claiming to be, but
it feels like it is just, you know, so heavy
handed from Kyle Shanahan's perspective, and he just needs the
quarterback to execute what he needs to execute right like that.
Jimmy G's the perfect guy for that system because he's
he's not that great, but he's gonna do what you
need him to do on every play. Brock Purty the same. Yep,
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that's not Trey Lance's. That's not what we believe Trey
Lance's strengths are Trey Lance's strengths are athleticism, mobility, making
plays off script, and so maybe this was always doomed
to fail because you know, and we go back to
again the conversation we had last segment and the conversations
we've been having since twenty twenty one, why I never
like to pick. They have a team and a roster that,
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throughout the entire time they've had him is built to
win a super Bowl right now and really built. This
is from the San Francisco perspective, to have a quarterback
that doesn't beat that, that doesn't make mistakes and doesn't
beat himself. Trey Lance is going to make mistakes, and
that's okay, that's part of the learning curve. But that's
also part of the up side that you're so excited about.
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So I'm not sitting here saying that it's going to
work out in Dallas. And by the way, I'm not
even sitting here saying that I know exactly what the
Cowboys offense is going to look like under Mike McCarthy.
I do think, though, there's a possibility that if he
ever gets the opportunity, his skill set may be better
fitting in a place like that as opposed to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And again I think the purty Garoppolo type, I mean Shanahan.
I think Shanahan sees himself as the mad scientist. He's
the one like, just go out and do what I
tell you to do. You're gonna win a lot of games.
And Garoppolo proved he could do it, party has shown
that he can do it. I'm interested to see what
that looks like now that people have a little bit
more film on him.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is he's still going to be that.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
But that's what we heard about him that that endeared
him so much to the coaching staff was whatever you
told him to do, he could go ahead and execute it,
and he's gonna do it with a.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
You know, with the right attitude.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And I think for a Kyle Shanahan type, that might
be all you need to give you a shot, especially
when you have the weapons that you have around him.
Then you go grab McCaffrey on top of that defense,
and we already know about the wide receivers and Kittle
at tight end. So they were in a really good spot.
Now where Chrey Lance goes to in Dallas. They certainly
have weapons and they're but they do have Look, Cooper
(22:19):
Rush has played decently when he's been asked to, you know,
step in for Dak Prescott, So who knows if he's
ever even gonna supplant Cooper Rush meaning Chrey Lance.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But Lance just being around Prescott.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
As long as Prescott feels pretty comfortable in his role
and there's no threat there or anything else, then Lance
is in a good spot to learn from a good guy,
a pro who's you know, had his ups and downs,
has dealt with injuries and come back from them. I
have been very critical of Lance in terms of what
(22:54):
I thought he could do because of when he was
drafted and because of the hype train and all of that,
But I I certainly still hope that someday he proves
me entirely wrong. So I'm very curious to see what
happens now, how this goes from this point on for
Trey Lance, because now really the magnifying glass is off
(23:15):
him getting out of San Francisco. No one's expecting anything
from Trey Lance from this point forward, So anything that
we do get is going to be a net positive.
A lot of the stories about where he came from.
I mean, I was even reading a few articles prior
to the show about Trey Lance. It was just like, well,
maybe he wasn't as fast as athletic as we thought
considering the opponents he was playing.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Was like, well did we knew that at the time.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's not like this is new information that it's like,
this is something you probably should have factored in. Then
don't use it now to say, well, maybe we goofed
on this because it was James Madison, like back off, Like,
I know he is still athletic, and I know there
was something about him that had Scout salivating and had
you know, draft experts salivating over him. And again from
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from the Cowboys perspective, this is absolutely a sensible decision
for them to make because, as you let off this segment,
extremely low risk and high reward, whether or not he's
wearing your uniform in a couple of years or you've
been able to flip him for another asset or a
decent draft pick. And then he gets his opportunity in
his third stop.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This is Fox Sports Radio the Jason Smith Show. Jason
and Mike were in earlier today. Aaron Torres, Jason Martin
filling in this evening, tell you what Jason will come back.
We want to talk. We want to switch gears from
the number three pick in the twenty twenty one draft
to the one from this past draft. Anthony Richardson played
last night. I know Jason and Mike talked about it,
but I have some thoughts and I know you do
too about what we saw from Anthony Richardson. That's next,
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first though, first time for us this evening to saga,
what's Christeve? Hello, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
So much to talk about tonight, including the three NFL
exhibitions going on at San Francisco. The Chargers have just
taken a seven to six lead on the Niners late
first quarter Joshua Kelly seventy five yard touchdown run, but
Brock Perdy had a nice opening quarter, in fact, a
great first drive, and then a teammate fumbled into the
end zone near the goal line. No points on the
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second drive, though Perdy himself five yard touchdown run for
a six to nothing lead. The problem is the forty
nine ers third round rookie kicker Jake Moody is out
tonight with a stringed quad, so kicker Zane Gonzalez was
gonna be the guy tonight. Turns out he's out with
a calf injury. So they trotted the punter out for
the extra point kick and it was wide left and
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their down one late first quarter. For what it's worth,
Chargers seven to six. As for the Detroit game, they
were down ten to nothing at Carolina after the first quarter.
Bryce Young a touchdown passed Adam thielend for the Panthers.
But it's now Lyons twenty to seventeen in the lead
early fourth quarter at Carolina. Teddy Bridgewater getting a lot
of time for Detroit and wearing number seventeen tonight. He
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had worn number five for his career. Five wasn't available
coming to the Lions, so he wore five to oh
last week. Seventeen that's what he's wearing tonight, and as mentioned,
he got time thirteen of twenty two, passing one hundred
and seventy eight yards and one touchdown, Lions leading early forth.
I know they've relaxed the number rules in the NFL.
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You can see a linebacker wearing number zero now. It
would still be illegal for a quarterback to wear fifty
in the regular season. Let's just say that out loud,
or even a running back for that matter, you can
wear zero to forty nine, but yeah, no fifty for
running backs or quarterbacks or even wide receivers. It's zero
to forty nine or something in the eighties. There is
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one other game going on. It's New England at Tennessee
and with about eleven minutes to go, Titans leading twenty
to seven over the Patriots. Malik Willis has been the
quarterback the whole way for Tennessee. Two touchdowns now and
two interceptions to Major League Baseball from Bervaldez. Houston pitcher
through a no hitter early this month on ninety three pitches.
(26:55):
He had a no hitter through seven innings tonight at Detroit,
but on a h hundred and fourteen pitches, including five walks,
so he was pulled after seven innings. A pinch hitter
singled with one out in the bottom of the eighth
at Detroit. Bottom of the ninth, Detroit was down one nothing.
Houston brought in its closer, Ryan Presley. He gave up
four in the bottom of the ninth, including the game
(27:16):
winning homer four to one. Detroit is the final from
Berveldez on a rare list of guys in the last
sixty plus years who've in the same calendar month had
a no hitter and a no hit bit of at
least seven innings. Nolan Ryan did that nineteen seventy three.
Vita Blues on the list from nineteen seventy as well.
The Milwaukee Brewers going for a six straight win er
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beating the Padres seven to one in the bottom of
the eighth Texas Rangers have lost seven in a row.
They're down twelve to two at Minnesota. In the top
of the ninth inning. The Angels beat the Mets in
New York three to one. Show Hey Otani the Angels
dh with a double and three walks. He will continue
to hit, and he's batting three zh five this year,
but he won't pitch with the torn elbow ligament victories
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for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. For Cleveland and the Dodgers, Mookie
Betts with a great ovation, taking his bat to the
plate in the first inning as a visitor at Fenway Park.
Dodgers down three to nothing early, eventually beat Boston seven
to four. Four more hits for Freddie Freeman, Washington and
the Yankees with wins Baltimore beat Colorado five to four
with a two run homer bottom of the eights from
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Gunner Henderson. And then there's that Detroit game against Houston.
Just can't get over a guy I can't say came
close to a second no hitter of the month. It
was one hundred and fourteen pitches thrown. He wasn't gonna
be pitching the eighth in the ninth, but then to
not even have his team win the game against the Tigers,
honestly amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox
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we just talked about number three pick in the twenty
twenty one NFL draft. Trey Lance has been traded as
the sacre just told you briefly, I do want to
touch on the number three pick in the most recent
NFL draft, which of course was Anthony Richardson. Know, the
guys talked about him last night, but it's very interesting.
You know, there's a lot of symmetry, Jason, between our
show on Saturday and what is going on in the
(29:26):
present world. We were on Saturday night and we led
our show with the fact that Anthony Richardson, you know,
we were kind of just reacting to the news of the
evening in the NFL, but that specific Saturday. So last Saturday,
a week ago tomorrow, the Indianapolis Colts were playing their
second preseason game. Anthony Richardson was in street close and
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you and I both thought, well, as he heard, is
what's going on? And we both said he kind of
needs some game reps. Bring it up because last night
he did play not the greatest effort I would say,
I mean play extended extended snaps six of seventeen passing
seventy eight yards. But I bring it up because because
a lot of highs, a lot of lows. I saw
him kind of doing the you know, kind of mocking
(30:09):
the Eagles with kind of some one of their celebrations,
but didn't look great. I don't want to do, you know,
especially on a day where Trey Lance you know it
didn't work out. I don't want to do the overreaction
to one preseason game, but I think even last night's
effort kind of speaks to why you and I were
shocked that he wasn't playing last Saturday, because I think
he needs as many reps as possible, and I think
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it's going to be an uphill battle with him and
that roster this season in Indianapolis.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah, and look, we were talking about this this morning.
We knew this topic was coming again. And Anthony Richardson
needs things to be good around him, and he needs
time and he needs patience in a league that doesn't
generally give you much of either. I think culture about
to be really bad. Mm hm, he's raw. They don't
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have a ton of receiving talent around him. The air
offensive lot.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
No, that's all right, Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
He may still be a cult because there might be
the market that and he might not. The offer might
not be there that then he's gonna take. And so
maybe he's gonna be back with them, but that's not
gonna be a good situation.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Even if he is.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
You wouldn't think they've got a first year head coach
who's coming off you know, the bloom of being the
offensive coordinator for a Super Bowl runner up that had
a real shot to win that game. Obviously, and obviously,
and he did great work with Jalen Hurts. Anthony Richardson had,
you know, fifty five percent completion percentage in college, struggled
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throwing the football with accuracy was super raw. We know
what his measurables are. We know how athletic he is.
We saw what he did at the combine. But what's
he going to do on the football field for four
quarters and sixty minutes a game for an entire regular
season with what he has around him. There's just too
many things that I don't like about the culture right now.
(32:02):
Stichen is young, so he's gonna have There's gonna be
some growing pains there. Richardson, We got to find out
what's gonna happen with Jonathan Taylor. The offensive line is
not what it once was. They've dealt with injuries, especially
to key contributors. The defense as holes. The receiving talent
is Pittman and a bunch of guys. It's just not great.
(32:22):
And then you have kind of a head case as
your owner, and you have a general manager where we
were talking one way about Chris Ballard just a few
years ago. I'm not sure that he's seen quite in
the same light now because there have been some baffling
choices in how they've built that team. I just think
the Colts are like a five to six win football.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Team right now. Maybe they're not.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Maybe I am completely wrong, but there's no reason, there's
no indication, there is no evidence. Looking at their roster
and looking at all of the disconnected pieces, there's no
reason for me to feel particularly optimist whatsoever about their
immediate future. I think they are about to have a really,
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really rough year.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'll tell you what, Jason, I have two reactions to
everything you just said about Anthony Richardson, about the Colts
as an organization. We're gonna come back discuss that next.
The Colts struggled last night. Anthony Richardson sat out the
home game played last night. It did not go well.
We'll continue the conversation on this year's number three overall pick,
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Anthony Richardson. That's next.
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Before the break we were talking a little bit about
the performance last night by Anthony Richardson, the of course,
rookie quarterback of the Indianapolis Colt. A little bit of
a struggle, which you know it happens, but it comes
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for a guy that we all know is very much
a work in progress coming into the NFL last year
at Florida, completed just fifty four percent of his passes.
Before the breakdays we were talking about the Colts and
two things really stand out. One, you know, again, you
don't want to put the car before the horse with
Anthony Richardson. He's got plenty of time to prove himself.
(35:25):
But you know, I do think this speaks to a
little bit about what we talked about earlier with Trey Lance,
the idea that I'm not saying it was wrong of
the Colts to draft Anthony Richardson, but sometimes we act
as though evaluating NFL quarterbacks is splitting the atom, and
the bottom line is there's just not a very good
track record of guys with Anthony Richardson's you know, statistical
(35:49):
output having success in the NFL. That will come in time.
But two, you brought up an interesting point about the
Colts organization just it feels like a mess. You know,
Ersay has been kind of just this weird figurehead for
a while. It really got me thinking, you know, I
was thinking about, this is for most of our lives
(36:10):
people listening. I don't know how old everybody is, but
most of the last twenty five to thirty years, the
Colts really were a you know, a testament to consistency
and success. And I was thinking about this. Was Peyton
Manning just that great like and I think Bill Pollian
being there, the team that he put around Peyton Manning.
(36:33):
But it feels like ever since Peyton Manning went down,
it's just been one weird thing after another. And I
know that a couple good years with Andrew Luck, but
even Andrew Luck retiring at thirty speaks to the fact
that he that they didn't put very much a very
competitive team around him. He was getting killed in the pocket.
And then obviously it's been a conveyor belt of one
thing after the other Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, you know,
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Jacoby Brissett, on and on. I was really thinking, like,
I just wonder if Peyton Manning was that great that
he covered up a lot of holes that maybe we
didn't realize at the time, and maybe this place has
always been this dysfunctional and they just happened to have
one of the two or three all time greats covering
up a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I think it's a fascinating conversation to have. I do
think he is that good, there's no question about that.
I also think he did benefit from decent team building.
You know, they had Edger and James, they had Dallas Clark,
of course, they had Marvin Harrison, they had Reggie Wayne.
They had a lot of talent around Peyton Manning, and
(37:35):
then they had a couple of defensive stalwarts throughout much
of his career, obviously, Dwight Freeney and Mathis and Bob
Sanders and all of that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
At the same time, there's.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Something to be said for this, and here's here's how
you know it right, because the same thing is true
in New England. The same exact thing has pretty much
been true in New England. You didn't realize. You knew
Tom Brady was great, but what have they been since
he left? You realize how different it is when you
have a quarterback that is a true leader and a
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stabilizing force and someone that becomes just, you know, something
iconic in a community. You have a lot of things
that can cover upwards. And many franchises are looking at
him and saying, yet, now you know what it's like
to be us, And I think that's.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Maybe what it is, right.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean, what is Kansas City now with Patrick Mahomes
that they weren't with Alex Smith? I mean, Alex Smith
was good. Alex Smith didn't get him to the Super
Bowl as good as Andy Reid has been. It was
Mahomes that got him there. It's still and increasingly a
quarterbacks league. And so when you look at Manning, I
think it's a really interesting conversation to have. I think
that he is still underrated just because he didn't make
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it to too many Super Bowls. He got that second one,
but he got it with my guys in Denver. You know,
went to any and lost that one to the Saints
after beating the in that rain game. But Peyton Manning.
I think is if somebody out there was like, he's
the second best quarterback of all time, I think you
could make the argument and not feel insane about it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'll tell you what. Jason and I want to continue
this conversation, but really quickly, there is breaking news. We're
gonna toss it over to.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Sega's Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
It's a developing story, but apparently two fans were shot
inside the White Sox game tonight. Chicago police could be
seen with their rifles outside the stadium Guaranteed Right Field
in Chicago as fans were let out the game is over.
White Sox lost at home to Oakland. Two wounded, and
shortly after the two were shot of tonight's game, the
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White Sox put a message on the scoreboard attention fans.
Due to technical issues, tonight's postgame concert has been canceled.
No further explanation, but crime reporters, including those on the
Northwest side, hearing scanners hearing people inside talk about blood
in section one sixty two, which would be in the
(40:00):
left field seats, that there were victims, but this is
a shooting where apparently the quote victims, yes, we're hit
but are okay live round reportedly recovered by security inside
the ballpark and taken to the security office Gate four
behind home plate. One victim gunshot grays to the stomach.
Second victim inside reportedly a female who suffered a gunshot
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wound to the leg and was taken to University of
Chicago medicine. And a third person a female hit by
a bullet but did not sustain any injuries. But this
at the White Sox game inside the ballpark tonight, very.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Scary stuff, Disagre, thank you very much, and obviously Disagre
will have continued updates and we will as well on
a developing story out of Chicago, where again there appears
to have been a shooting right around the Chicago White
Sox stadium as the game got out. Again, we will
keep you updated on all of that as the night
continues to go on air TOURUS Jason Martin in for
(40:57):
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. Coming up, we will transition
to College Football Week zero tomorrow. That's next Fox Sports
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