September 28, 2023 • 35 mins
Longtime NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins the guys to breakdown the Blazers trading Damian Lillard to the Milwaukee Bucks. And Robert Saleh says Aaron Rodgers isn’t wrong with his Jets need to grow up comments.
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different angles and ratifications of the big NBA trade we
saw today. Damian Lillard finally getting his wish after years
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of I really want to go now, I kind of
like it here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
N I want to go now, I kind of like
it here.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, I want to go, He finally gets dealt a
three team deal that sees him land in Milwaukee. It
will be a big three with he and Giannis and
Chris Middleton. DeAndre Ayton moves as well. The Son's involved,
the Blazers involved. But the big news is Lillard is
now finally traded away from the Blazers and he goes
to Milwaukee thankfully, where you know, for us and for him,
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he's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So this is what it's like being in a big
time playoff race where you can actually do something in
their NBA title homes. Man I should have left Portland
years ago. Man, I had no idea this is. This
is fantastic here in the East because the Bucks are
at the top of the East and Damian little is
gonna matter. And that's the best part. He's playing on
the East Coast, in East Coast window. It's not just
gonna be I feel like he's he's like the leader
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of a cult of sports fans who just don't understand
and they go Nobody else understands how good Damian Lillard
is because nobody else watches his games. Because he plays
in Portland ten thirty at night and still in an
age where you can get everything at any time you
can get highlights.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Oh, Lillard hit this shot from the logo Lillard did this.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's something to watch him play, as we've been able
to do in our window every single night for the past.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Few years and seeing his excellence and.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We say there's four or five times a year we
talk about a night Damian Lillard has where we go.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I wish he would get.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
A chance to the rest of the world this in
a time when people are watching and it's not just
a bunch of highlights you read about it the next day.
I really wish And now we're getting that because he
and Giannis will be front page news the entire season
in the NBA. The NBA season basically has begun today.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Mike Carmon, Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
A beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
We've been waiting for trade season to come into focus
here and finally this domino falls. The erroneous tweet that
went out, including the Raptors, got everybody to raise their
eyebrows for a moment. All the heat fans and sick
of fans are beside them selves calling for, you know,
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an investigation, foul play.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It's like he's been out there for.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Months that he wanted to leave no nobody, uh called,
nobody texted at all. Come on, We'm not I was
born at night, middle of the night, but not last night.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
People. Come on, uncle Jimmy says that all the time.
I was born at night, but not last night, my uncle, Jimmy, Tommy, you.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Know what I mean though, Like it's just that, yeah, tampering.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Sure, none of you guys tried to reach out and
buy him a bottle of wine and say, hey, let
me tell you what it's like living down here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Come on, get out of here with that now. I'll
do you one further that before we get to Lillard
in the bucks?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, Jimmy Butler goes on social media today and talks
about tampering. You know, don't ask me how, but I've
heard it's like, oh what a what a what a
crazy ass thing to say?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yes, I don't you say now? Was his quote? Yeah,
don't talking about it?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I mean, what is that? That's like what that's like
stuff here from politicians.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
There's no proof of this, but wait what yeah, but
I'm gonna say it, like, uh yeah, tamp tampering. You
had an entire summer, an entire off season to get
this trade done. His preferred destination was the Heat. That
was the one place he wanted to go. His agent
was calling team saying, don't trade for my guy, don't
trade for my guy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
He wants to go to the Heat.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you couldn't get it done when you were the
one place you wanted to go. You couldn't get it done.
So no, I have no sympathy for you. I have
no sympathy with the tampering and anything else. You couldn't
pick and pick up and figure out a good enough
trade to go get him. And I'm sorry, but likely
this Bucks deal was better than anything the Heat wanted
to give up. No matter how many times you wanted
to say, how about Tyler Herro, Yeah, no, that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Wasn't gonna be enough. But the baby plazers just didn't
want him.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You had all kinds of time to try to do
whatever you can to make the trade happen. Now that's
on you, and that's on the fact you didn't have
enough to make it go.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But don't sit here and go oh.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We were taken away from this, and he was taken
out of our arms as we were ready to I
was ready to hug him at the airport. No, that's
a load of crap. This was you had time, you
couldn't get it done. Sorry, that's how it goes in
the real world.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, reports that Riley wouldn't pick up the phone to
change up offers. And obviously it took some creativity of
getting that third team involved with something we talked about
a couple of weeks ago, think with Rick Buker, which
we'll revisit here now that it's consummated of whether it
was gonna need a third slash fourth team to come
in to make sure everybody got satisfied and happy with
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assets as they moved around. We'll see what happens with Holiday.
It appears that he's just on a layover and we'll
see how long that stay is. But you know, for
for this deal, when when you get down to it,
Lillard wanted out. Everybody knew it. So what was it
going to take to get him? Get him out? And look,
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the Blazers to a degree, we're going to operate from
a bit of spite, right the all right, well, Miami
really needs to come with a strong overcompensating offer because
some would say, well, maybe they got offul a little
easy in this. You know that they didn't get as
much as they should.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Have for him.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It's like, yeah, but part of it might have just
been they didn't like the way the heat handled things.
And you say, well, your job is to get the
best deal and whatever else. Yes, in theory, there are
also still human beings, feelings and the ability to stick
it to somebody else that things they have you over
a barrel is very much a reality as we've seen
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so many times in sports history, where you have the
opportunity to go and make a move. And at the
eleventh hour here as we're getting ready right to final
weeks before we truly get back into the NBA season,
here Jason that you know, the Bucks come forward and
it does so many things for them for this year
and in theory for longevity, and Lillard gets what he wants,
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he'll actually play for a team that isn't fighting to
get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
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there shouldn't be you had you had all some you
were the one team we couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You had one job.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You had.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
All you had to do is get one guy in.
You can't keep coming back saying, well, what if we
disguise Tyler Hero was another player, maybe they'll take him.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I have to give unbelievable props to the Milwaukee Bucks
because this was just two weeks ago where Yannis put
them on blast and said, Hey, I love Milwaukee, I
love playing here, Las, But you know we did and
we did hear him saying he was going to the
Lakers a couple of weeks on the show.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We did have that sound bite was curious.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
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Speaker 1 (07:46):
So you had two weeks ago him putting them on
blast and saying, hey, I want to win and I
want to stay here, but I really want to win
and he's getting that shack itch of now I'm thinking
about my legacy. Am I really going to be win
in Milwaukee? And let's face it, Milwaukee wins a championship,
but what teams in from Milwaukee don't win more than
a championship once in a great while. I mean that
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for all the small markets, no matter what kind of
stars you have, it's just too difficult to keep a
team together and to keep it going that way, because
it's harder to lure people in free agency. The big
time players want to leave. That's just the way the
world goes. And what Milwaukee did was say, okay. They
could have just backed away and said, well, we're gonna
we're gonna milk you for every ounce we ken out
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of you, Yiannis. Then if you want to go, we'll
trade you. They could have gone that way, but instead
what they did was say, okay, we love our star.
We understand that when he leaves, the circus leaves town
like that's it. Everybody pulls up stakes and the circus
is gone, and we're sitting there looking at a big,
dusty empty field, going, oh, the cotton candy machine was here,
the ferris wheel was here. You can still see the indentation. Ah,
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there's still horse poop over here from when all those things. Ah,
but the circus left town. Now, But now they kept
the circus in town because they went out and said, okay,
we're gonna make sure that we're a title team. Every
single year. So they go get Damian Lillard, who at
least has another three years of being an elite level player.
He's not gonna have to carry the Bucks all by himself.
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He's not gonna have to show up and play seventy
five games in the regular season. That's not what it's
going to be. This is a perfect trade for them
because you can come in and still be a star
and not have to worry about tread on the tires
the next three years. Now the Bucks looks like that
they can walk into every season and say, well, they're
probably the favorites this year because they have Jiannison Dame.
They're probably the favorites this year because they have Yiannis
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and Dame. It's an incredible move by them. And not
only that, it gets Yiannis to stay because now Yiannis,
who wanted to play that game of hey, I want
to stave, you got to make sure I win. They
showed you, hey, we'll do we kend to make you win.
Look we did right here, went out and got Damian Lillard.
Right he was going to the heat. That's the only
place he wanted to go. He was going to the heat.
We went out and got him and brought him in here.
That's an amazing job by a front office who had
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some a very difficult task at hand.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They found a way to get it done.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And I guarantee all of the teams are sitting around
right now, and me, as a fan of the Knicks,
I walk around going they made it work.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
How did my team not make that work?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's really something. How did they made that work?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My team couldn't or they weren't out and did it
when I didn't think they could. I got nothing but
great things to say about Milwaukee for making this happen.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I mean, there's just a lot to it. You mentioned
the Jannis longevity. You know, you look at Lillard's deal
as it is now. He's already exercised the option for
twenty four to twenty five, so you've got him for
two years, and you start thinking about longevity and where
you're going because you're gonna have an overturning of that
roster because you've got a lot of veteran players, particularly
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in your front court. But what we always talked about
from the fantasy standpoint, right the iWatch a flex podcast
for fantasy football, fund is on the waiver wire You
may not need a running back right now. You might
feel stocked. But if there's a guy that's breaking through
and starting to pick up some touches, guess what, play defense.
Rather have him rotting on your bench than beating you.
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That week, Milwaukee just went and flipped off Boston and
Miami by bringing in Damian Lillard.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Right, you still have Tyler Hero.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Clearly you didn't love him because he was the guy
you kept trying to push Duncan Robinson. All right, he
has some games time and again, but overall, you didn't
get better. You didn't get your guy. Boston has been
connected to pretty much everybody that's a superstar. Oh what
do they do get rid of Jalen Brown? Who do
they bring in? If they're gonna get rid of Jalen Brown?
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All that stuff? And they don't get this deal? Were
they in the mix? We don't know, because look, Milwaukee
lurked in the shadows, which is the other beautiful part
of all of this, right is Miami, Miami, Miami. That's
all he wants to do. And you knew other gms
were trying to make their pitches and trying to figure
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out what might happen. But did we have any concrete
connections to any of these. No, and instead today, now
all of a sudden, Damian Lillard's releasing songs about leaving
down and showing up in Milwaukee, and hopefully he and
Giannis go find that. Remember that Mexican restaurant that stayed
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open late and he was hanging out in line, Maybe
they can go get you a first meal there because
he became very popular and going viral with that one,
So welcome to town.
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Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, are you making requests for songs now? Harmon? Is
that what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
It sounds like a Harmon playlist, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It does? It does a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
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friend Mike Hark I love.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You all over the Mountain.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Who.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, we finally saw that Damian Lillard trade go down.
After the last eighteen years of him wondering whether he
wanted to stay in Portland or not since he was
six years old. Now we've seen the deal go down
to three team deal season, go to the Bucks. DeAndre
Eton gets dealt away from the Suns. Portland gets a
host of players. What does it all mean and what
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is next? Joining us now on the hotline Fox Sports
one NBA insider Extraordinary. You can fall him on Twitter
at Rick Buker. I'm sure the On the Ball podcast
is gonna have a ton breaking down the Damian Lillard trade? Rick,
what's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Man? Happy summer?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Happy summer to you. By the way, can we tell
Matt Ishbia that the Suns don't have to be in
every single deal that happens in the NBA, Like, let
James Jones have a little bit of a life at summertime?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Goodness great, Well, they're not getting Taylor Swift to come
to their games.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I got to stay in the new somehow.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, there, that's fair. And Alice Cooper kind of jumped
the shark so well, any of the Alice Cooper fans
out there, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Just saying, it's is just gonna be more Jimmy eat world.
I mean, at halftime of every game, that's all we're gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
H Okay, okay, man, I was thinking it's been so
long and then take me right there right back, and
I'm like, oh, I can only do this once a week.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, all right, you knucklehead, all right, So let's get
into the Lillard trade here for a second. You know,
we talked about this earlier and said why I love
this so much and why it puts them at the
top is is Lillard's a winning time move, right because
you see the Bucks and what they were missing was
that winning time option. I kind of look at it
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as the Warriors did when they said, Okay, we just
lost to the to the Cavaliers in seven games. Steph
can't get his shot off at the end. We need
somebody else big, and boom kd comes in. They win
a couple more titles. I feel like that's the same thing. Hey,
you saw how the season ended for them last year
with that bad possession against the Heat where Giannis falls
down and Grayson Allen gets a shot off after the buzzer,
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and they said, Okay, let's go get a winning time player.
And that's why I like this so much.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Yeah, I look, he certainly fills a need, especially with
the uncertainty of Chris Middleton's health. I don't love it
for this reason. I just believe that Drew Holliday's value
for that team has been vastly unappreciated.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
To me, He's the.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Second best, or was the second best two way player
on that team behind Giannis, played a huge role in
them winning the championship. And I know that people are
looking at his stats and saying, yeah, there's times where
he just doesn't come up in playoffs. But with Gianni's
hurt with Chris Middleton, I'm not saying that Drew Holliday
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is a go to guy the way that Damian Lillard is,
but his defensive presence, especially with Chris Middleton and the
uncertainty of his health. You take him out and now
it really changes what they are defensively on the perimeter.
And and he was capa did he always make big shots?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Now?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
But he was such a great is such a great
floor general. And this is what this is the most
tantalizing aspect of this is that the Blazers are not
expected to keep Drew Holiday. And the teams that I
understand are thirsty for him are the Miami Heat, the
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Boston Celtics. There's one I know that the Clippers are
supposedly in the mix. And two of those teams if
they get Drew Holiday suddenly close the gap on whatever.
You know, wherever the Bucks are. I had them as
the favorite going in regardless of whether they had Damien
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or not. I don't know that I'm going to change that,
and probably strengthens them to a certain degree, but that
gap is closed again if due Holiday ends up on
one of those other teams that is a contender uh
in the Eastern Conference. So this this story is not over,
and I find it just fascinating to watch it unfold,
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whether this deal to get Damian Lillard, but it costing
them through holiday and through holiday possibly going to one
of the teams that could knock them off that's April April,
and they can't get here quick enough.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well, that is pretty good theater Rick, because we were
just talking about that a little bit earlier, that you know,
playing defense against the the Heat and Celtics was a
pretty good move. But if they're able to bring Holiday
back in and like won't be as prohibitive a cost
in terms of assets in your rotation, then maybe it
does still come back to sting you because you are
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still aged in your front front court.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah, and that's that's actually that's my That's where I'm
not as like blown away or excited about the deal
because let's let's face it, and then you guys are
probably talked about it. Like part of the impetus for
making this deal was Yannis, you know, throwing up us
the flares, saying, hey, I like, I want to know
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that we're going to continue to try to build a
championship team here, Otherwise I may have to go someplace
where they where they are, where they do have that focus,
and so they've put that, you know, Janie has put
that pressure on them. But I can't escape as you know,
much of a high regard as I have for Gamian,
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and I'm excited to see him get to play on
a team that's a contender. I uh, he's thirty three
years old, and a year or two from now is
when Jannis has to make that decision. And and so
the the the formula really hasn't changed. The Bucks aren't
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have an old core, and getting Damian Lillard doesn't change
that an old court or outside of Giannis. So I
would much rather have seen if they were going to
get a star, get one that Janis can look at
and say, well, I can play the next four or
five years with him. If we go somewhere, I can
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play the next four or five years with him. Now,
if Jannis and Damien and this and this group ends
up winning a championship, then obviously that's going to make
it a little more difficult for him to go someplace else.
But it almost heightens where Okay, you better win with
Damien now, because if you don't, then I don't know
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how you read jigger this team again in order to
keep Gianni's happy and feeling like he's he's on a
team that's contending for a title.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But at least Rick I look at it as a
three year window was probably open for Jannis to ken
and potentially now where I thought he was going to
be gone getting Shaquille O'Neill. Hey, I'm worried about my
legacy and we're not winning anymore here in Milwaukee. Maybe
now this is another three or so years. He says, Okay,
why do you you went out and brought Damian Lillard in?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Why do you think it's three years?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Why?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I look at how much how much more time I
think Lillard probably has as an elite player, you don't
play the right less, you know, But maybe it's when
he's thirty six, thirty seven, he's gonna slow down a
little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, well, okay, but Giannis is going to have to
make that decision on his contract in the next year
or two in terms of whether he extends in Milwaukee
or not.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Right So, I look at him, but I look at
him being there another three plus years at least, you know,
because of this move going out to get Lillard. You
think that, do you think you still think that's something
that's up in the air.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I will For him to do that, he would have
to sign a short term deal, which I guess is possible.
A lot of guys do that now, Yeah, I guess,
I guess it's I guess. I guess it's possible. Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm just not banking. I'm not banking on
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if they don't at least get to the finals this
year with Damien that with a year left on his
deal and deciding what he's going to do, that, Yiannis
is not going to start looking elsewhere. I just I
think that they have to win it. I think that
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they have to win it, like right away, and not
even in the three years. Like I think they have
to win it in the next.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Year or two.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Because here's the problem. Okay, so, uh, Damien is still
stays as good as he's been. I think we're we
take that for granted now because of what Lebron and
and and Steph have done. I don't know if that's
necessarily a safe bet to believe that guys can still
be superstars in their thirty six at thirty six and
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thirty seven. But let's let's say that Damien is another
one of those guys. The problem is, butk Lopez is
getting old. Chris Middleton is way older than his knees
are way older than a thirty two year old should be.
I just don't I don't see, and they've spent all
their assets. I think it gets difficult to see how
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if they don't. If they're not good enough this coming year,
as is, how are they going to get better? That's
the question that I have. So that's why I look
at it and say, Man, if they're good enough to
win it, then they better win it this year. Because
if they're not good enough to win it this year,
then I don't see that they're going to be better
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or they're going to be more likely to win it.
Two years from that.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
That and something we've talked about for many a year
here Rick DeAndre Ayton is no longer a member of
the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So that's the other thing that.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Flows out of here, good young cores around him, better
spot to get started over, you know. I mean, obviously
like the team, we'll see what happens with Holiday, but
I think this is the triple win on a grander
scale in terms of all teams involved.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think I think a
new start for Ayton with a very young team that
doesn't have established stars, that that that's going to be
a great, a great reset for him especially. You know,
it's one thing when when you're picked number one by
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a particular team, like you're expected to be a number
one pick for that particular team, when you get traded,
there's something about it takes the gloss off of being
a number one.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
You're not a number one. Now, you're a number one.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Who got traded to this other team. And so I
think that the pressure of living up to being the
overall number one pick is dissipated and it's going to
allow him just to play. And I had a chance
to actually talk to Eric Gordon, who played with DeAndre
eight and over the summer for the U Bahamian national team,
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and he thought me about what a great summer it
was for Aighton to get back there and play and
get comfortable, and he was with a lot of guys
that he'd grown up with, and he was expecting to
see a different DeAndre Ayton this season. So I suppose
we will see him, We'll just see it in a
different uniform. And then but I got to tell you
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the team that I think hit it out of the
ballpark that did the most were the Phoenix Suns because
use of Nurkic physically. First of all, he can can
space the floor, which is going to be really important
with all those scorers and guys who want to put
the ball on the floor. Nurkic can shoot the three,
unlike DeAndre who was just never comfortable stepping out that far.
(24:44):
Nurkic also physically is much bigger, and I think he's
a much better matchup with Nikola Jokic. And if I
were Frank Bogo, I would be salivating it. The idea
of getting Nurkic and saying, hey, remember the Denver Nuggets.
Her Nuggets had you and they had Jokic, and they
chose Jokic and they moved you on. How about you
(25:07):
come down here with my guys and let's show the
Denver Nuggets that they if they didn't trade the wrong guy,
that you're capable as capable of going and winning a
championship as Nikola is.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
How would that feel? How? How how much would you
like to do that?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Along for the ride, because we got because we got
the horses.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, we got a green light that sketch on FS one.
Would you playing playing the coach role?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Come on, let's go.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Oh I'd love Yeah, I'm there. If I get to
wear a fake mustache, I'll do just stunning.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, lastly, take your crystal ball out here. We've been
waiting for this trade to happen and it's gone down.
Is there another trade to answer this? And if it's
Embeid to the Knicks, that's okay. Is there some big
that somebody else will do? Now that this trade happened,
the delay of the land is changed. But is there
a bigger move coming before the season starts?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (26:08):
And I guess that Yannis to the Knicks isn't gonna
happen now either huh, it's then I don't. I do not.
I do not in any way see uh an MB
trade going down Minnesota. I mean we we asked on
(26:29):
Fox Sports. We were asked this question, like who's the
next A Lister to move? And I don't know if
these guys qualify.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
At A Listers.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
But as I walk, if I look across the landscape,
you know one of the places where the pieces just
don't fit is in Minnesota. And I don't know, Like,
I don't think you can move Rudy Gobert, h Anthony Edwards.
It only continues to ascend as a star.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It just feels to me like.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Karl Anthony Town's has been displaced and needs to get
out of there. So I don't know. Could I interest you?
Could I interest you in a Karl Anthony Towns in
New York? How would that?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If the Knicks are getting them, they're all A listers,
they're all A Listers, then there's no such thing as anything.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
He just wants to know Rick, does it get Julius
rant a lot of town, third team All NBA or
but you know, to get rid of him.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
I will say this, It crossed my mind to add
to the I gave them a list of guys that
I thought, you know, could potentially move, and it crossed
my mind to put Julius on it, and I thought, no,
it's not even it's not even a B lister at
this point. Man, he doesn't I'm sorry, he doesn't follow.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He's thirteen all NBA.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Come on, man, here's the thing though, here, here is
the thing is is I thought when you said, like,
you know, they're all A listers if they're coming to
the Knicks, I thought you were going to say, you know,
they all disappoint once they once they get they're A
listers and they get to.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Certainly they didn't play like A listers anymore. Like, what
the hell's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I thought that.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
I thought maybe that's where you were gonna go, So
you didn't and I went there instead. You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He's on Twitter at Rick.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
He's in mid season form. Oh we're not already tinting
camp yet. We're just getting to camp. And here's where
Rick is, uh the on the Ball podcast as well.
The link is there on Rick's Twitter page. Rick is
always buddy, appreciated, my friend.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
We'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 1 (28:52):
We will have more on a the big breaking NFL
story of the night coming up in a few minutes.
Certain somebody is going to a game on Sunday, but
you know, it's time to double down a little bit
on something we got into very very briefly last night
because it kind of blew up today a little bit
more right, You saw that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show a day ago.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
We played the sound on the show last night and said, hey, listen,
Jets need to grow up a little bit on offense
and need to be able to stick with each other.
And he says he's texting with the guys and and
members of the team and coaches and all of this
while he's rehabbing here in Los Angeles at his home
in Malibu and he's by himself or you know, he's
away from the team. And today you know, of course,
(29:35):
the question was gonna be well, what'd you think of that?
What did you think of Aaron Rodgers three thousand miles
away saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What he did?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And you had a lot of players today saying, Hey,
everything that Rogers said, we're cool with it. We're cool
with him calling us out because we do need to change.
We can't get in arguments on the sideline. We can't
get into it with each other. DJ Reid saying, quote,
he's right, man, you can't blow up and show our frustration,
especially on the sideline. Head coach Roberts echoed all those sentiments, saying, yeah,
(30:02):
what Ar says goes.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
You know, I've said it with with Aaron. He's he's
as much of a coach as he is a player,
and he's been around youth, and he's been around adversity,
and he's he's seen it all. And you know, for
him to recognize that and talk through it, I think
he's he's not wrong and that we've When you have frustration,
it's easy to to kind of look for answers when
(30:26):
sometimes the most important answer is inward. And that's and
that's the only way you can defe adversity is to
look inward and find find ways to be be your
personal best. So as it pertains to what he said,
you know, it's he's not wrong. But at the same time,
it's a bunch of young guys shown a little bit
of frustration, so they'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
All right, So there's Robert Sala and I get it,
and I'm glad that they said, Hey, Aaron's okay with
saying what he is because they brought him in. As
he said, he's just as much a coach on the
field he as a player, which is why we're talking
about Aaron Rodgers' future NFL head coach. Right, he'll be
the Dion Sand of the NFL. He'll do it a
different way. He'll do it his way. It won't be
one hundred percent favored by everybody else around the league,
(31:06):
but it will work because Rogers has that kind of cachet.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Why did he fire the entire training staff. He's got
a groom, a holistic folk coming in.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
We're all gonna drink the same smoothie every day for
six months. Well, you know, I mean there are coaches
and training staffs that do have those personalized smoothie blends.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, you're right right, here's fifty two that's yours.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, a little bit of a little bit of ayahuasca
in this.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Wee with it yours. You need a little something extra.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
But listen, it's time to double down on what we
said last night, because we hit it right on, and
we hit the nail on the head with this.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
For Rogers to say this yeah, because he is that
kind of guy with the Jets. They have put him
on that pedestal. They had their attitude when Rogers came in,
and losing him, they've lost a big piece. So now
it's time for Rogers to get up out of LA
and get up out of Malibu and get the bleep
back to New York and be around a team for
the rest of the season. I get rehabit all. The
(32:03):
team needs you. They're paying you a lot of money.
You're not there. You know you're a leader. Why wouldn't
you go there? I mean, I gotta think he's able
to travel by now he had the surgery. I'd put
him on a plane, maybe on a submarine, take him
under the United States, whatever it is to get him
back to New York to be there for the Jets,
because it's obvious they need him. And just him being
(32:23):
around is gonna help things. He can help calm things down.
He can help Bill. But we will talk to Zach Williams.
He'll talk to the players. He'll be someone the media
we'll talk to. He'll keep the Jets out of the limelight. Hey,
talk to me, talk to me. I'm available for you
to talk. I will keep you guys. Let you guys
prepare for the game. Let Robert Sola try to figure
out whatever the hell he's gonna do, because you know
his his butt is on the line.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Too with this. But that's what works.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
He's got to get himself from from Malibu to New
York and be there for the Jets. Now, if you
don't want to go this week because Taylor Swift is
he's Swift.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I got yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But if you're losing a little bit of the limelight
because Taylor Swift is going to be at the game,
I go, okay, But next week, because we're gonna get
killed by the Chiefs no matter what. But next week
you got to be there before things fall apart, because
you want to make sure the Jets are five hundred
ish when they finally say okay, now it's time to
go out because Kirk Cousins is available because the Vikings
are zero and six, or Justin Field is available because
(33:17):
the Bears are zero and five or whatever it's going
to be. So he's got to get there to keep
them together. But they absolutely need him, and he can't
sit here back in Malibu and text with the code no.
Get your ass to New York and be there because
they need you and be that guy.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I think the big thing here is I can understand it.
At least for one day, the players were all right
with all right, Aaron says what he says, and Salas says, Hey,
you know he is ostensibly a coach. That's great, but
you don't want that being done over on the Pat
McAfee show. You don't want that in extraneous media opportunities
(33:55):
like you want that in the locker room, right, you
want to take an inside Yeah, it should me. While
he's laying on a bed, a couch, whatever the hell
he's doing, a foot on, uh, hanging out in Malibu,
he should be talking to those guys in person. You
have FaceTime and all technology and stuff zoom. That's all
find and good. But to your point, he's a couple
(34:16):
of weeks removed from the surgery, get out there, right.
He did tease, hey, someone might be there Sunday, And yes,
it could have been the nod to Taylor Swift, but
also could have been the hey, I gotta get back
to my guys.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So, oh my god, Aaron Rodgers and Woody Johnson's Box
of all the Things.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, I don't know that we go that excitable, but.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They showed Taylor Swift and Aaron Rodgers just jumps in
front of her, in front of the camera and starts waving.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
He could he could do that, but I mean he
is a known Swift ye, right.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
All the jokes he got hurt was he spent more
time at the stadium for the concert than he did
as an active player.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So there you have it.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
He probably wants to go have an audience with the
Queen or mother there as they call her.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Gets into New York. Get there. Everybody will feel better.
They will take a big, deep breath and say, all right,
Aaron's here, We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Now. Everything is okay. They need him. You gotta get there.
You gotta get there, man.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No more interviews from Malibu, no more sitting on the
couch talking to McAfee from there.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
No no, no, get to New.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
York tire Men's Savior Trevor Simeon also could be Aaron
Rodgers in coach for the Savior.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Remember can't spell without savior because I looked it up
to all the letters were in there. Coming up next, Yes,
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saw today. Damian Lillard finally getting his wish after years
(01:01):
of I really want to go now, I kind of
like it here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
N I want to go now, I kind of like
it here.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, I want to go, He finally gets dealt a
three team deal that sees him land in Milwaukee. It
will be a big three with he and Giannis and
Chris Middleton. DeAndre Ayton moves as well. The Son's involved,
the Blazers involved. But the big news is Lillard is
now finally traded away from the Blazers and he goes
to Milwaukee thankfully, where you know, for us and for him,
(01:31):
he's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So this is what it's like being in a big
time playoff race where you can actually do something in
their NBA title homes. Man I should have left Portland
years ago. Man, I had no idea this is. This
is fantastic here in the East because the Bucks are
at the top of the East and Damian little is
gonna matter. And that's the best part. He's playing on
the East Coast, in East Coast window. It's not just
gonna be I feel like he's he's like the leader
(01:54):
of a cult of sports fans who just don't understand
and they go Nobody else understands how good Damian Lillard
is because nobody else watches his games. Because he plays
in Portland ten thirty at night and still in an
age where you can get everything at any time you
can get highlights.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Oh, Lillard hit this shot from the logo Lillard did this.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's something to watch him play, as we've been able
to do in our window every single night for the past.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Few years and seeing his excellence and.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We say there's four or five times a year we
talk about a night Damian Lillard has where we go.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I wish he would get.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
A chance to the rest of the world this in
a time when people are watching and it's not just
a bunch of highlights you read about it the next day.
I really wish And now we're getting that because he
and Giannis will be front page news the entire season
in the NBA. The NBA season basically has begun today.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Mike Carmon, Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
A beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
We've been waiting for trade season to come into focus
here and finally this domino falls. The erroneous tweet that
went out, including the Raptors, got everybody to raise their
eyebrows for a moment. All the heat fans and sick
of fans are beside them selves calling for, you know,
(03:02):
an investigation, foul play.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It's like he's been out there for.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Months that he wanted to leave no nobody, uh called,
nobody texted at all. Come on, We'm not I was
born at night, middle of the night, but not last night.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
People. Come on, uncle Jimmy says that all the time.
I was born at night, but not last night, my uncle, Jimmy, Tommy, you.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Know what I mean though, Like it's just that, yeah, tampering.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Sure, none of you guys tried to reach out and
buy him a bottle of wine and say, hey, let
me tell you what it's like living down here.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Come on, get out of here with that now. I'll
do you one further that before we get to Lillard
in the bucks?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, Jimmy Butler goes on social media today and talks
about tampering. You know, don't ask me how, but I've
heard it's like, oh what a what a what a
crazy ass thing to say?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yes, I don't you say now? Was his quote? Yeah,
don't talking about it?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I mean, what is that? That's like what that's like
stuff here from politicians.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
There's no proof of this, but wait what yeah, but
I'm gonna say it, like, uh yeah, tamp tampering. You
had an entire summer, an entire off season to get
this trade done. His preferred destination was the Heat. That
was the one place he wanted to go. His agent
was calling team saying, don't trade for my guy, don't
trade for my guy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
He wants to go to the Heat.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you couldn't get it done when you were the
one place you wanted to go. You couldn't get it done.
So no, I have no sympathy for you. I have
no sympathy with the tampering and anything else. You couldn't
pick and pick up and figure out a good enough
trade to go get him. And I'm sorry, but likely
this Bucks deal was better than anything the Heat wanted
to give up. No matter how many times you wanted
to say, how about Tyler Herro, Yeah, no, that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Wasn't gonna be enough. But the baby plazers just didn't
want him.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You had all kinds of time to try to do
whatever you can to make the trade happen. Now that's
on you, and that's on the fact you didn't have
enough to make it go.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But don't sit here and go oh.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We were taken away from this, and he was taken
out of our arms as we were ready to I
was ready to hug him at the airport. No, that's
a load of crap. This was you had time, you
couldn't get it done. Sorry, that's how it goes in
the real world.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, reports that Riley wouldn't pick up the phone to
change up offers. And obviously it took some creativity of
getting that third team involved with something we talked about
a couple of weeks ago, think with Rick Buker, which
we'll revisit here now that it's consummated of whether it
was gonna need a third slash fourth team to come
in to make sure everybody got satisfied and happy with
(05:22):
assets as they moved around. We'll see what happens with Holiday.
It appears that he's just on a layover and we'll
see how long that stay is. But you know, for
for this deal, when when you get down to it,
Lillard wanted out. Everybody knew it. So what was it
going to take to get him? Get him out? And look,
(05:43):
the Blazers to a degree, we're going to operate from
a bit of spite, right the all right, well, Miami
really needs to come with a strong overcompensating offer because
some would say, well, maybe they got offul a little
easy in this. You know that they didn't get as
much as they should.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Have for him.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It's like, yeah, but part of it might have just
been they didn't like the way the heat handled things.
And you say, well, your job is to get the
best deal and whatever else. Yes, in theory, there are
also still human beings, feelings and the ability to stick
it to somebody else that things they have you over
a barrel is very much a reality as we've seen
(06:25):
so many times in sports history, where you have the
opportunity to go and make a move. And at the
eleventh hour here as we're getting ready right to final
weeks before we truly get back into the NBA season,
here Jason that you know, the Bucks come forward and
it does so many things for them for this year
and in theory for longevity, and Lillard gets what he wants,
(06:49):
he'll actually play for a team that isn't fighting to
get into the playoffs.
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there shouldn't be you had you had all some you
were the one team we couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You had one job.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You had.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
All you had to do is get one guy in.
You can't keep coming back saying, well, what if we
disguise Tyler Hero was another player, maybe they'll take him.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I have to give unbelievable props to the Milwaukee Bucks
because this was just two weeks ago where Yannis put
them on blast and said, Hey, I love Milwaukee, I
love playing here, Las, But you know we did and
we did hear him saying he was going to the
Lakers a couple of weeks on the show.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We did have that sound bite was curious.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, Beneath and Mike Harmon Show exclusive.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So you had two weeks ago him putting them on
blast and saying, hey, I want to win and I
want to stay here, but I really want to win
and he's getting that shack itch of now I'm thinking
about my legacy. Am I really going to be win
in Milwaukee? And let's face it, Milwaukee wins a championship,
but what teams in from Milwaukee don't win more than
a championship once in a great while. I mean that
(08:08):
for all the small markets, no matter what kind of
stars you have, it's just too difficult to keep a
team together and to keep it going that way, because
it's harder to lure people in free agency. The big
time players want to leave. That's just the way the
world goes. And what Milwaukee did was say, okay. They
could have just backed away and said, well, we're gonna
we're gonna milk you for every ounce we ken out
(08:28):
of you, Yiannis. Then if you want to go, we'll
trade you. They could have gone that way, but instead
what they did was say, okay, we love our star.
We understand that when he leaves, the circus leaves town
like that's it. Everybody pulls up stakes and the circus
is gone, and we're sitting there looking at a big,
dusty empty field, going, oh, the cotton candy machine was here,
the ferris wheel was here. You can still see the indentation. Ah,
(08:50):
there's still horse poop over here from when all those things. Ah,
but the circus left town. Now, But now they kept
the circus in town because they went out and said, okay,
we're gonna make sure that we're a title team. Every
single year. So they go get Damian Lillard, who at
least has another three years of being an elite level player.
He's not gonna have to carry the Bucks all by himself.
(09:12):
He's not gonna have to show up and play seventy
five games in the regular season. That's not what it's
going to be. This is a perfect trade for them
because you can come in and still be a star
and not have to worry about tread on the tires
the next three years. Now the Bucks looks like that
they can walk into every season and say, well, they're
probably the favorites this year because they have Jiannison Dame.
They're probably the favorites this year because they have Yiannis
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and Dame. It's an incredible move by them. And not
only that, it gets Yiannis to stay because now Yiannis,
who wanted to play that game of hey, I want
to stave, you got to make sure I win. They
showed you, hey, we'll do we kend to make you win.
Look we did right here, went out and got Damian Lillard.
Right he was going to the heat. That's the only
place he wanted to go. He was going to the heat.
We went out and got him and brought him in here.
That's an amazing job by a front office who had
(09:55):
some a very difficult task at hand.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
They found a way to get it done.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And I guarantee all of the teams are sitting around
right now, and me, as a fan of the Knicks,
I walk around going they made it work.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
How did my team not make that work?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's really something. How did they made that work?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My team couldn't or they weren't out and did it
when I didn't think they could. I got nothing but
great things to say about Milwaukee for making this happen.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I mean, there's just a lot to it. You mentioned
the Jannis longevity. You know, you look at Lillard's deal
as it is now. He's already exercised the option for
twenty four to twenty five, so you've got him for
two years, and you start thinking about longevity and where
you're going because you're gonna have an overturning of that
roster because you've got a lot of veteran players, particularly
(10:37):
in your front court. But what we always talked about
from the fantasy standpoint, right the iWatch a flex podcast
for fantasy football, fund is on the waiver wire You
may not need a running back right now. You might
feel stocked. But if there's a guy that's breaking through
and starting to pick up some touches, guess what, play defense.
Rather have him rotting on your bench than beating you.
(10:59):
That week, Milwaukee just went and flipped off Boston and
Miami by bringing in Damian Lillard.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Right, you still have Tyler Hero.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Clearly you didn't love him because he was the guy
you kept trying to push Duncan Robinson. All right, he
has some games time and again, but overall, you didn't
get better. You didn't get your guy. Boston has been
connected to pretty much everybody that's a superstar. Oh what
do they do get rid of Jalen Brown? Who do
they bring in? If they're gonna get rid of Jalen Brown?
(11:32):
All that stuff? And they don't get this deal? Were
they in the mix? We don't know, because look, Milwaukee
lurked in the shadows, which is the other beautiful part
of all of this, right is Miami, Miami, Miami. That's
all he wants to do. And you knew other gms
were trying to make their pitches and trying to figure
(11:53):
out what might happen. But did we have any concrete
connections to any of these. No, and instead today, now
all of a sudden, Damian Lillard's releasing songs about leaving
down and showing up in Milwaukee, and hopefully he and
Giannis go find that. Remember that Mexican restaurant that stayed
(12:13):
open late and he was hanging out in line, Maybe
they can go get you a first meal there because
he became very popular and going viral with that one,
So welcome to town.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
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Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, are you making requests for songs now? Harmon? Is
that what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
It sounds like a Harmon playlist, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It does? It does a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Hark I love.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You all over the Mountain.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Who.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, we finally saw that Damian Lillard trade go down.
After the last eighteen years of him wondering whether he
wanted to stay in Portland or not since he was
six years old. Now we've seen the deal go down
to three team deal season, go to the Bucks. DeAndre
Eton gets dealt away from the Suns. Portland gets a
host of players. What does it all mean and what
(13:10):
is next? Joining us now on the hotline Fox Sports
one NBA insider Extraordinary. You can fall him on Twitter
at Rick Buker. I'm sure the On the Ball podcast
is gonna have a ton breaking down the Damian Lillard trade? Rick,
what's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Man? Happy summer?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Happy summer to you. By the way, can we tell
Matt Ishbia that the Suns don't have to be in
every single deal that happens in the NBA, Like, let
James Jones have a little bit of a life at summertime?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Goodness great, Well, they're not getting Taylor Swift to come
to their games.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I got to stay in the new somehow.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, there, that's fair. And Alice Cooper kind of jumped
the shark so well, any of the Alice Cooper fans
out there, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Just saying, it's is just gonna be more Jimmy eat world.
I mean, at halftime of every game, that's all we're gonna.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
H Okay, okay, man, I was thinking it's been so
long and then take me right there right back, and
I'm like, oh, I can only do this once a week.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, all right, you knucklehead, all right, So let's get
into the Lillard trade here for a second. You know,
we talked about this earlier and said why I love
this so much and why it puts them at the
top is is Lillard's a winning time move, right because
you see the Bucks and what they were missing was
that winning time option. I kind of look at it
(14:34):
as the Warriors did when they said, Okay, we just
lost to the to the Cavaliers in seven games. Steph
can't get his shot off at the end. We need
somebody else big, and boom kd comes in. They win
a couple more titles. I feel like that's the same thing. Hey,
you saw how the season ended for them last year
with that bad possession against the Heat where Giannis falls
down and Grayson Allen gets a shot off after the buzzer,
(14:55):
and they said, Okay, let's go get a winning time player.
And that's why I like this so much.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Yeah, I look, he certainly fills a need, especially with
the uncertainty of Chris Middleton's health. I don't love it
for this reason. I just believe that Drew Holliday's value
for that team has been vastly unappreciated.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
To me, He's the.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Second best, or was the second best two way player
on that team behind Giannis, played a huge role in
them winning the championship. And I know that people are
looking at his stats and saying, yeah, there's times where
he just doesn't come up in playoffs. But with Gianni's
hurt with Chris Middleton, I'm not saying that Drew Holliday
(15:43):
is a go to guy the way that Damian Lillard is,
but his defensive presence, especially with Chris Middleton and the
uncertainty of his health. You take him out and now
it really changes what they are defensively on the perimeter.
And and he was capa did he always make big shots?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Now?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
But he was such a great is such a great
floor general. And this is what this is the most
tantalizing aspect of this is that the Blazers are not
expected to keep Drew Holiday. And the teams that I
understand are thirsty for him are the Miami Heat, the
(16:28):
Boston Celtics. There's one I know that the Clippers are
supposedly in the mix. And two of those teams if
they get Drew Holiday suddenly close the gap on whatever.
You know, wherever the Bucks are. I had them as
the favorite going in regardless of whether they had Damien
(16:50):
or not. I don't know that I'm going to change that,
and probably strengthens them to a certain degree, but that
gap is closed again if due Holiday ends up on
one of those other teams that is a contender uh
in the Eastern Conference. So this this story is not over,
and I find it just fascinating to watch it unfold,
(17:12):
whether this deal to get Damian Lillard, but it costing
them through holiday and through holiday possibly going to one
of the teams that could knock them off that's April April,
and they can't get here quick enough.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well, that is pretty good theater Rick, because we were
just talking about that a little bit earlier, that you know,
playing defense against the the Heat and Celtics was a
pretty good move. But if they're able to bring Holiday
back in and like won't be as prohibitive a cost
in terms of assets in your rotation, then maybe it
does still come back to sting you because you are
(17:47):
still aged in your front front court.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah, and that's that's actually that's my That's where I'm
not as like blown away or excited about the deal
because let's let's face it, and then you guys are
probably talked about it. Like part of the impetus for
making this deal was Yannis, you know, throwing up us
the flares, saying, hey, I like, I want to know
(18:12):
that we're going to continue to try to build a
championship team here, Otherwise I may have to go someplace
where they where they are, where they do have that focus,
and so they've put that, you know, Janie has put
that pressure on them. But I can't escape as you know,
much of a high regard as I have for Gamian,
(18:33):
and I'm excited to see him get to play on
a team that's a contender. I uh, he's thirty three
years old, and a year or two from now is
when Jannis has to make that decision. And and so
the the the formula really hasn't changed. The Bucks aren't
(18:54):
have an old core, and getting Damian Lillard doesn't change
that an old court or outside of Giannis. So I
would much rather have seen if they were going to
get a star, get one that Janis can look at
and say, well, I can play the next four or
five years with him. If we go somewhere, I can
(19:15):
play the next four or five years with him. Now,
if Jannis and Damien and this and this group ends
up winning a championship, then obviously that's going to make
it a little more difficult for him to go someplace else.
But it almost heightens where Okay, you better win with
Damien now, because if you don't, then I don't know
(19:36):
how you read jigger this team again in order to
keep Gianni's happy and feeling like he's he's on a
team that's contending for a title.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But at least Rick I look at it as a
three year window was probably open for Jannis to ken
and potentially now where I thought he was going to
be gone getting Shaquille O'Neill. Hey, I'm worried about my
legacy and we're not winning anymore here in Milwaukee. Maybe
now this is another three or so years. He says, Okay,
why do you you went out and brought Damian Lillard in?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Why do you think it's three years?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Why?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I look at how much how much more time I
think Lillard probably has as an elite player, you don't
play the right less, you know, But maybe it's when
he's thirty six, thirty seven, he's gonna slow down a
little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, well, okay, but Giannis is going to have to
make that decision on his contract in the next year
or two in terms of whether he extends in Milwaukee
or not.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Right So, I look at him, but I look at
him being there another three plus years at least, you know,
because of this move going out to get Lillard. You
think that, do you think you still think that's something
that's up in the air.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I will For him to do that, he would have
to sign a short term deal, which I guess is possible.
A lot of guys do that now, Yeah, I guess,
I guess it's I guess. I guess it's possible. Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm just not banking. I'm not banking on
(21:02):
if they don't at least get to the finals this
year with Damien that with a year left on his
deal and deciding what he's going to do, that, Yiannis
is not going to start looking elsewhere. I just I
think that they have to win it. I think that
(21:24):
they have to win it, like right away, and not
even in the three years. Like I think they have
to win it in the next.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Year or two.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Because here's the problem. Okay, so, uh, Damien is still
stays as good as he's been. I think we're we
take that for granted now because of what Lebron and
and and Steph have done. I don't know if that's
necessarily a safe bet to believe that guys can still
be superstars in their thirty six at thirty six and
(21:53):
thirty seven. But let's let's say that Damien is another
one of those guys. The problem is, butk Lopez is
getting old. Chris Middleton is way older than his knees
are way older than a thirty two year old should be.
I just don't I don't see, and they've spent all
their assets. I think it gets difficult to see how
(22:15):
if they don't. If they're not good enough this coming year,
as is, how are they going to get better? That's
the question that I have. So that's why I look
at it and say, Man, if they're good enough to
win it, then they better win it this year. Because
if they're not good enough to win it this year,
then I don't see that they're going to be better
(22:36):
or they're going to be more likely to win it.
Two years from that.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
That and something we've talked about for many a year
here Rick DeAndre Ayton is no longer a member of
the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So that's the other thing that.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Flows out of here, good young cores around him, better
spot to get started over, you know. I mean, obviously
like the team, we'll see what happens with Holiday, but
I think this is the triple win on a grander
scale in terms of all teams involved.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think I think a
new start for Ayton with a very young team that
doesn't have established stars, that that that's going to be
a great, a great reset for him especially. You know,
it's one thing when when you're picked number one by
(23:25):
a particular team, like you're expected to be a number
one pick for that particular team, when you get traded,
there's something about it takes the gloss off of being
a number one.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
You're not a number one. Now, you're a number one.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Who got traded to this other team. And so I
think that the pressure of living up to being the
overall number one pick is dissipated and it's going to
allow him just to play. And I had a chance
to actually talk to Eric Gordon, who played with DeAndre
eight and over the summer for the U Bahamian national team,
(24:02):
and he thought me about what a great summer it
was for Aighton to get back there and play and
get comfortable, and he was with a lot of guys
that he'd grown up with, and he was expecting to
see a different DeAndre Ayton this season. So I suppose
we will see him, We'll just see it in a
different uniform. And then but I got to tell you
(24:23):
the team that I think hit it out of the
ballpark that did the most were the Phoenix Suns because
use of Nurkic physically. First of all, he can can
space the floor, which is going to be really important
with all those scorers and guys who want to put
the ball on the floor. Nurkic can shoot the three,
unlike DeAndre who was just never comfortable stepping out that far.
(24:44):
Nurkic also physically is much bigger, and I think he's
a much better matchup with Nikola Jokic. And if I
were Frank Bogo, I would be salivating it. The idea
of getting Nurkic and saying, hey, remember the Denver Nuggets.
Her Nuggets had you and they had Jokic, and they
chose Jokic and they moved you on. How about you
(25:07):
come down here with my guys and let's show the
Denver Nuggets that they if they didn't trade the wrong guy,
that you're capable as capable of going and winning a
championship as Nikola is.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
How would that feel? How? How how much would you
like to do that?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Along for the ride, because we got because we got
the horses.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, we got a green light that sketch on FS one.
Would you playing playing the coach role?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Come on, let's go.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Oh I'd love Yeah, I'm there. If I get to
wear a fake mustache, I'll do just stunning.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, lastly, take your crystal ball out here. We've been
waiting for this trade to happen and it's gone down.
Is there another trade to answer this? And if it's
Embeid to the Knicks, that's okay. Is there some big
that somebody else will do? Now that this trade happened,
the delay of the land is changed. But is there
a bigger move coming before the season starts?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (26:08):
And I guess that Yannis to the Knicks isn't gonna
happen now either huh, it's then I don't. I do not.
I do not in any way see uh an MB
trade going down Minnesota. I mean we we asked on
(26:29):
Fox Sports. We were asked this question, like who's the
next A Lister to move? And I don't know if
these guys qualify.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
At A Listers.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
But as I walk, if I look across the landscape,
you know one of the places where the pieces just
don't fit is in Minnesota. And I don't know, Like,
I don't think you can move Rudy Gobert, h Anthony Edwards.
It only continues to ascend as a star.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It just feels to me like.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Karl Anthony Town's has been displaced and needs to get
out of there. So I don't know. Could I interest you?
Could I interest you in a Karl Anthony Towns in
New York? How would that?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If the Knicks are getting them, they're all A listers,
they're all A Listers, then there's no such thing as anything.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
He just wants to know Rick, does it get Julius
rant a lot of town, third team All NBA or
but you know, to get rid of him.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
I will say this, It crossed my mind to add
to the I gave them a list of guys that
I thought, you know, could potentially move, and it crossed
my mind to put Julius on it, and I thought, no,
it's not even it's not even a B lister at
this point. Man, he doesn't I'm sorry, he doesn't follow.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He's thirteen all NBA.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Come on, man, here's the thing though, here, here is
the thing is is I thought when you said, like,
you know, they're all A listers if they're coming to
the Knicks, I thought you were going to say, you know,
they all disappoint once they once they get they're A
listers and they get to.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Certainly they didn't play like A listers anymore. Like, what
the hell's going on?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I thought that.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
I thought maybe that's where you were gonna go, So
you didn't and I went there instead. You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He's on Twitter at Rick.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
He's in mid season form. Oh we're not already tinting
camp yet. We're just getting to camp. And here's where
Rick is, uh the on the Ball podcast as well.
The link is there on Rick's Twitter page. Rick is
always buddy, appreciated, my friend.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
We'll talk to you soon.
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We will have more on a the big breaking NFL
story of the night coming up in a few minutes.
Certain somebody is going to a game on Sunday, but
you know, it's time to double down a little bit
on something we got into very very briefly last night
because it kind of blew up today a little bit
more right, You saw that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show a day ago.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
We played the sound on the show last night and said, hey, listen,
Jets need to grow up a little bit on offense
and need to be able to stick with each other.
And he says he's texting with the guys and and
members of the team and coaches and all of this
while he's rehabbing here in Los Angeles at his home
in Malibu and he's by himself or you know, he's
away from the team. And today you know, of course,
(29:35):
the question was gonna be well, what'd you think of that?
What did you think of Aaron Rodgers three thousand miles
away saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What he did?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And you had a lot of players today saying, Hey,
everything that Rogers said, we're cool with it. We're cool
with him calling us out because we do need to change.
We can't get in arguments on the sideline. We can't
get into it with each other. DJ Reid saying, quote,
he's right, man, you can't blow up and show our frustration,
especially on the sideline. Head coach Roberts echoed all those sentiments, saying, yeah,
(30:02):
what Ar says goes.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
You know, I've said it with with Aaron. He's he's
as much of a coach as he is a player,
and he's been around youth, and he's been around adversity,
and he's he's seen it all. And you know, for
him to recognize that and talk through it, I think
he's he's not wrong and that we've When you have frustration,
it's easy to to kind of look for answers when
(30:26):
sometimes the most important answer is inward. And that's and
that's the only way you can defe adversity is to
look inward and find find ways to be be your
personal best. So as it pertains to what he said,
you know, it's he's not wrong. But at the same time,
it's a bunch of young guys shown a little bit
of frustration, so they'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
All right, So there's Robert Sala and I get it,
and I'm glad that they said, Hey, Aaron's okay with
saying what he is because they brought him in. As
he said, he's just as much a coach on the
field he as a player, which is why we're talking
about Aaron Rodgers' future NFL head coach. Right, he'll be
the Dion Sand of the NFL. He'll do it a
different way. He'll do it his way. It won't be
one hundred percent favored by everybody else around the league,
(31:06):
but it will work because Rogers has that kind of cachet.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Why did he fire the entire training staff. He's got
a groom, a holistic folk coming in.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
We're all gonna drink the same smoothie every day for
six months. Well, you know, I mean there are coaches
and training staffs that do have those personalized smoothie blends.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, you're right right, here's fifty two that's yours.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, a little bit of a little bit of ayahuasca
in this.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Wee with it yours. You need a little something extra.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
But listen, it's time to double down on what we
said last night, because we hit it right on, and
we hit the nail on the head with this.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
For Rogers to say this yeah, because he is that
kind of guy with the Jets. They have put him
on that pedestal. They had their attitude when Rogers came in,
and losing him, they've lost a big piece. So now
it's time for Rogers to get up out of LA
and get up out of Malibu and get the bleep
back to New York and be around a team for
the rest of the season. I get rehabit all. The
(32:03):
team needs you. They're paying you a lot of money.
You're not there. You know you're a leader. Why wouldn't
you go there? I mean, I gotta think he's able
to travel by now he had the surgery. I'd put
him on a plane, maybe on a submarine, take him
under the United States, whatever it is to get him
back to New York to be there for the Jets,
because it's obvious they need him. And just him being
(32:23):
around is gonna help things. He can help calm things down.
He can help Bill. But we will talk to Zach Williams.
He'll talk to the players. He'll be someone the media
we'll talk to. He'll keep the Jets out of the limelight. Hey,
talk to me, talk to me. I'm available for you
to talk. I will keep you guys. Let you guys
prepare for the game. Let Robert Sola try to figure
out whatever the hell he's gonna do, because you know
his his butt is on the line.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Too with this. But that's what works.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
He's got to get himself from from Malibu to New
York and be there for the Jets. Now, if you
don't want to go this week because Taylor Swift is
he's Swift.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I got yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But if you're losing a little bit of the limelight
because Taylor Swift is going to be at the game,
I go, okay, But next week, because we're gonna get
killed by the Chiefs no matter what. But next week
you got to be there before things fall apart, because
you want to make sure the Jets are five hundred
ish when they finally say okay, now it's time to
go out because Kirk Cousins is available because the Vikings
are zero and six, or Justin Field is available because
(33:17):
the Bears are zero and five or whatever it's going
to be. So he's got to get there to keep
them together. But they absolutely need him, and he can't
sit here back in Malibu and text with the code no.
Get your ass to New York and be there because
they need you and be that guy.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I think the big thing here is I can understand it.
At least for one day, the players were all right
with all right, Aaron says what he says, and Salas says, Hey,
you know he is ostensibly a coach. That's great, but
you don't want that being done over on the Pat
McAfee show. You don't want that in extraneous media opportunities
(33:55):
like you want that in the locker room, right, you
want to take an inside Yeah, it should me. While
he's laying on a bed, a couch, whatever the hell
he's doing, a foot on, uh, hanging out in Malibu,
he should be talking to those guys in person. You
have FaceTime and all technology and stuff zoom. That's all
find and good. But to your point, he's a couple
(34:16):
of weeks removed from the surgery, get out there, right.
He did tease, hey, someone might be there Sunday, And yes,
it could have been the nod to Taylor Swift, but
also could have been the hey, I gotta get back
to my guys.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So, oh my god, Aaron Rodgers and Woody Johnson's Box
of all the Things.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, I don't know that we go that excitable, but.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They showed Taylor Swift and Aaron Rodgers just jumps in
front of her, in front of the camera and starts waving.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
He could he could do that, but I mean he
is a known Swift ye, right.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
All the jokes he got hurt was he spent more
time at the stadium for the concert than he did
as an active player.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So there you have it.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
He probably wants to go have an audience with the
Queen or mother there as they call her.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Gets into New York. Get there. Everybody will feel better.
They will take a big, deep breath and say, all right,
Aaron's here, We're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Now. Everything is okay. They need him. You gotta get there.
You gotta get there, man.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No more interviews from Malibu, no more sitting on the
couch talking to McAfee from there.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
No no, no, get to New.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
York tire Men's Savior Trevor Simeon also could be Aaron
Rodgers in coach for the Savior.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Remember can't spell without savior because I looked it up
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