October 3, 2023 • 40 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon update Monday Night Football and debate just how bad the New York Football Giants are. Longtime NFL Insider Jason La Canfora swings by for all the BIG headlines from around the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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way tire buying should be. It wasn't a halt. Sorry, sorry, sorry,
just to end me right there. Sorry, just gotta.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
See you're still having flashbacks.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I spent my afternoon laughing, just thinking how I would
handle things in my life if I were Matt eber Fluse,
Answering questions.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, not uh yeah, not another another weekend for us.
It didn't not go not good, go well, not good.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I mean, at least the Chargers hung on against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Then that guy was just getting up in Mark Davis's
face with the video scene around the world. Yeah, blankety
blanket McDaniels, and he sits there stone face the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's great Chargers able to withstand the aid and O'Connell experience.
Get ready ahead of the curve, like we told you,
he's gonna start half the season. He's gonna start like
half the season. Watch just watch?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Does he have tiny baby hands?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Though it's not O'Connell. Is he played for a guy
getting no run? He did thrust in he was. I'll
tell you the guy's good, man, the guy is good
and now. But but who Josh McGann he made you know,
who knows? Jim plunkett. Maybe starting next week.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I will give some credit though, to DeVante. Everybody. He's
gonna be out. He's done. He went back like hell
with this. I'm bagging out here. I'm playing either.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're gonna say de mont to Adams for not asking
for a trade. Immediately after the game.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right, It doesn't mean he didn't. This is like just
because we haven't heard about it yet. Uh So we'll
get to the We'll get to the Jets and the Chiefs,
which it was okay, but we have high drama right
now Monday Night football between the Seahawks and the Giants.
We were at halftime and the Seahawks lead at fourteen
to three. Drew Locke, yeah, is now playing quarterback for
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the Seahawks. Why Geno Smith was injured on a tackle
in the first half, Isaiah Simmons tackling him on the
way out of bounds. And there's there's three big things
to get to with this game. The first one, let's
deal with the injury to Gino Smith. Geno Smith was
very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He was he was brought down as Isaiah Simmons was
inbounds and then when Geno Smith they hit the white
part the out of bounds, Isaiah Simmons off and it's
an awkward landing for Geno Smith. I know a lot
of people were very upset. Gino Smith was very upset.
So Drew Lock comes in plays quarterback for the rest
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of the first half, and it's Noah fant On a touchdown.
It's like, well, it's like it's Denver in twenty twenty.
We're going back three years. Man, look at this. I'm
gonna throw to the guy I know, the guy that
got traded with me over for this. So they go
and they make that, and they make the trade and
they make the switch to Drew Locke. Drew lock throws
a touchdown. We can argue about how legit the hit
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was on Geno Smith. However, third quarter has just begun.
Gino Smith back under center for the Seattle Seahawks. He
went through the medical tent, went into the locker room
for analysis and investigation and some kind of exam. He
is back out. He is starting the third quarter at
quarterback for the steel.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now I remember on that sad way with running down
the sideline, two of the worst tackling efforts you'll ever see.
He was ruled down inside the one. So Kenneth Walker owners, yeah,
there's your gift touchdown.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah you got that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So he got that in nine carries nineteen yards. But
he does find the end zone at the end. But
for Gino, yeah, along the sideline, you have the odd
ricochet play where you catch the ball that h and
for him, you know, the difficult play along the sideline
because he's starting to engage him right as you get
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to the sideline. So it's that tough. How do I
hold up? How do I stop speed of play?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Can? So it was unfortunate. It wasn't dirty. The tackle
started in bounds. It looks bad, and most of it
happens out of bounds. But the fact that Simmons pulls
back off of him. I mean, it's just one of
those things. It's unfortunate. Jason.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But if the Jets couldn't break Gino Smith, you really
think that tackle was gonna take him out? I'm true,
I went through. I'm strong in here, I am strong
inside my heart. I ready for the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Especially when he hears Hey, they did what on that
first possession after I was out?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So what? Who? So Gino Smith is back in not
back in rules out for the game. After making his return,
Jamal Adams was examined for a concussion on the sideline
was ruled out, and there's video he's very upset with
the doctor arguing with him on the slideline about going
back in the game. And I get it. He's been
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out a long time, his career is derailed. And now
when you talk about Jamal adams name, you say, boy,
this could be the worst trade in NFL history. You've
traded for a box safety. You can't stay on the field.
And now finally he's making his return. See how excited
he was to play at MetLife Stadium. I'm excited to
be back in New York, back where it all began.
And now he's out for the game and he gets
upset at the doctor for saying, what do you mean,
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I'm okay, I'm okay, I can go back in and play.
So no more Jamal Adams ruled out for the game.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, he got an attempt to sell it, right, I mean,
whatever the response was in the set of questions, Clearly
he got one wrong and really poorly. If he's gonna
get ruled out because we've seen guys, Jason, how many
times have we seen guys go out to the South,
There's no way he's come back in the game. There's
no chance in hell this guy's going to see the
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field this week and wouldn't be surprised if its long
standing and then they're there on the next series. So
for Jamal Adams, I would question. You know, he as
he goes through protocol, what exactly were the Q and
A possibilities there that made the doctor immediately hold up
the flag and say you're not coming back. Yeah, I mean,
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that's that's pretty extreme.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's not like he it's not like he is playing
Giants wide receivers in fantasy and it's gonna make it
easier to take you out.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I mean, you know, Daniel Jones would have to throw
the ball more than four yards down the field. Even
Kurt Warner on the radio broadcast going dink and dunk,
has he thrown the ball pass? I mean that play
to breed it was broken. But other than that, has
he thrown the ball beyond ten yards?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So that's where you also we'll get to the Giants
part of it now, because look like I said, there'd
been drama to breakdown. The Seahawks have been playing well.
No Jamal Adams, Gino Smith back in now to the Giants.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Sason real Quick who lasted longer Aaron Rodgers or Jamal.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Abs Oh Adams made. He made a few more plays
I think he made. I think he was more than
five snaps. I yes, I think he did. I think
he had more than five snaps. All right, we'll have
to take a look at that. By the way, Gino
just drew an unsportsman like conduct. Always some drama exit
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in the unenviable position of that home getting dominated by
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the Seahawks and looking and staring at the specter of
going one and three right at them. There's a lot
of things you can say for the Giants. There's a
lot of things you can say. You can say it
didn't work well. The wide receivers they brought in, the
hitting you with numbers and new faces hasn't worked. Really important. Yeah,
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Barkley not playing, that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The the teams are coming for the Giants this year.
When the Giants will sneak up on on everybody last year.
You can throw a lot of things out there for
the Giants. However, like we say the name of the
show should behead of the Curve with Jason Smith and
Mike Carmon, because we are ahead of the curve. Maybe
it's as we broke it down last week. Maybe the
Giants just stink. Yeah, maybe they just stink and they
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overvalued the roster. And you and I both liked them
coming in and loved THEO and I looked at and
I looked at Brian Dable and said, this guy was
the best head coach in the NFL last year. He's
made ridiculously bad decisions this year that have hurt the
team as well. But maybe it's just they just stink.
Daniel Jones is not the same guy. He does not
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have the same confidence level when he is back there
throwing the football. He just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He doesn't look like the same guy. He needs ailing
out on the one to one thousand count every time
he goes back under center. And look, they're still missing
Andrew Thomas. They've had some issues on the offensive line,
but guess what in the NFL is anybody playing complete?
How many teams have gone through without having a bunch
of their offensive linemen or so many others hurt. I mean,
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look at that. Look at our old friends, the Ravens
and the Chargers. They're doing okay, and they're running at
half masted. Yeah, it's it's it's very difficult when you
go from one season to the next. If you're the Giants,
you had great success and you're thinking, okay, everything was new,
right like cause you think when when things are new,
when you have success, Okay, well another year to gel
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together and we're just going to be better and okay,
what do we have to fix. We we need more wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Okay. So they went out and hit the wide receiver
situation with numbers and the draft, and clearly that hasn't worked.
You need to be start to bring a number one.
You got more, but you haven't gotten better tonight. Matt
Brida is your leading receiver. So all you need to know, right,
Daniel Jones can't go downfield. The Giants don't have a
lot of guys that can get open, and and you're
seeing how much they are struggling offensively and defensively not
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quite the same. So this is it was a difficult
year to project, not saying that, hey, come on, give
us a break. But last year, last year, they looked like,
all right, this is gonna be a team that takes
a step this year, and instead they did not. They
got caught by teams, had passed by other teams, and
all these things go into it. But maybe they just think,
maybe Daniel Jones is just not that good. Maybe after
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a year they know what Daniel Jones wants to do
a little bit more, especially in the in the division.
He's not good on primetime. He's a new primetime Kirk
because he's one and eleven in primetime games. Now, there's
a lot of things you can say, but right now,
this doesn't look like a Giants team where you could say, oh,
if you just had this, or if you just like,
if they had Saquon Barkley, would it be better. Probably not.
I mean it's not like they're, oh, boy, he's the hole.
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They would be three and one or getting ready to
go three and one if they had if they had
Saquon Barkley. That's not the way the Giants have been.
They just have not looked good all season.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, it goes back to the old Beatles track it's
getting better all the time, and then the background, you go,
they can't get much worse. That's kind of where we're
at with this. I mean that game against Dallas whatever,
these second week, they didn't wake up till halftime. Whatever
the performance was got them fired up. So they steal
the win against the plucky Arizona Cardinals and then they
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get blood. Call them plucky, they don't know what that means. Okay,
then they got bludgeoned by the forty nine ers. And
now we stand the one and eleven record that you
allude to in primetime, twelve touchdowns, sixteen interceptions, averaging fewer
than two hundred yea sucks per game ozh and six
Monday Night football. The number of fumbles that you had
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this year. It's been more about interceptions, but you have
the strip fumble in the first half. So all things
just rolling down hill thus far for the Giants this year.
And it's the question we asked, and look, the show is,
you know, in that window, and you have to react
to what you're watching and what's most recent. But trying
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to take after the first three weeks of the season,
right when we talked about Miami and Buffalo, looking at
what Miami had done through the first three weeks, I'm like,
are they really that good? Look at the guys, look
at the teams they played right, and then they go
out and get absolutely smashed by a pissed off Buffalo
Bills team that was tired of reading all about how
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great the Dolphins were so week to week in the NFL.
But I can say with some certainty right now, barring
a miracle, these giants are going into the good night.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
They're like, they're like Rocky and Rocky four. When he
when he crumples a picture of Drago up on his
on his mirror, I'm singing here about how good to it?
And it's Josh Allen crumpling the picture of two look
at the game he had?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And then Stefan Diggs was stiff, army, guys, like he
was in a video game two years off.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Maybe maybe Stefan Diggs is happy again, Maybe things are happier.
He happy Buffalo.
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Speaker 1 (13:08):
This is not a story about my fantasy team. This
is a story about my dad. Maybe the saddest words
that I've heard in the world today. My dad said
to me, I just need fifteen from Daniel Jose and.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I yeah, oh no, Dad, minus fifteen or fifteen, as
you say, depending on if your league still takes the
hit for sacks.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He might be in the.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Negative car yeah tory here, man, he's on his way
to minus fifteen guy.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, no, no, he's hanging on a second. He's worth
wait six, Yeah, he's about but he's worth worth about
seven right now.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Wow, he's still in positive territory. Well, I got sixty
yards rushing, so that so that helps a little bit.
Figured that would have all been negated by now. The
latest debacle is uh is truly special?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What is what is happening right now with the Giants
and the Seahawks? Right five and a half to go
before this game mercifully ends for the Giants. The Seahawks
are deep in Giants territory. They look like they'll be
coming out to kick a field goal to go up
by three touchdowns. Again, five and a half to go
with this game, Seahawks are gonna kick a field goal
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because Daniel Jones just got picked, triple clutching looking down
a well, this was one play with triple clutching, triple
clutching looking downfield. Quandre Diggs comes up with the pick,
sets up the Seahawks deep in Giants territory. This is
just a few minutes after video that is now gonna
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wind up going viral of an interaction that Brian Dable
and Daniel Jones had on the sideline. He had to
pick six a few minutes ago Daniel Jones. It made
a twenty one to three and Daniel Jones comes off
the field and Brian Dable gets in his face and
Daniel Jones kind of turns away, look up at the scoreboard.
I'm not gonna sit here and look at the coach
while he yells at me. Okay, we've seen that before.
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There's video out there of Daniel Jones sitting on the
bench looking down in an iPad. Brian Dabele standing in
front of Daniel Jones with an iPad in his hand,
and Brian Dabele had had enough, apparently of Daniel Jones
took the iPad that was in his hands, flipped it
and walked away with a disgusted look. On his face,
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almost as if in the back of his mind you're
hearing him say, we're into this guy for three more
years and one hundred and twenty million dollars. We get
this guy four years and one hundred and sixty million.
Oh I really thought, I really thought it was gonna work.
And now look where it is.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Well, I mean he'll always have Coach of the Year
on his resume.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, oh yeah, he'll have to put that in a
kirk Cousins room. Like, how's that's a that's a a
kirk Cousins room where you put all your memorabilia when
you don't want to put it out some people see it.
Just put it in a room so you can look
at it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's just tough, right, because now you're on the hook.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You have no.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Idea like trying to deciphe for this is the same
quandary they're having in Chicago. How much of this is
our quarterback? How much of this is what is standing
in front of him? Because this offensive line is quite porous.
But he looked I want to see the reverse angle
on that interception, because you saw number fifty eight come free.
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He loops back around there looks like there's a running
lane and maybe Jones is gonna take off and then
all of a sudden, nope, someone filled that gap. But
he's coming straight at me. Triple clutch and then you
grossly overthrow your receiver. But how much of it is
decision making? Your whatever your game plan was, thinking that
you'd be able to make a play. Go back to
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the personnel moves, which is a whole other thing. So
these things kind of run in parallel. Oh as we're
going here. Yeah, but Jones has been awful. Look, look,
let's can only excuse it with the offensive line so much.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, let's be positive here for a second. After going
through what I did last night with the Jets, it
feels great to unload on the Giants like this. I
think this is this is awesome. That Ah, you stink
worse than we do it. You thought here we are
doing it all right? Rat listen? Do we still lost?
But seeing this tonight makes my hurt and upset at
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the Jets losing to the Chiefs. Go away a little
bit like this kind of this kind of kills the
hate in my heart a little. It kind of it's
kind of like, oh boy, it's kind of like it's
kind of like a reverse horse Crux, like you know,
you kill the horse crucks and the evil out of oldemort,
like if there were good stuff in it and you
and instead of when you knocked out the horse crucks,
it just took a little evil out of you, or
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took a little upset and and and anger out of you.
Like watching this tonight takes a little bit of upset
and this and anger out of me for the Jets
last night. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You guys? Are they stink anybody?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh? Man? Hey, oh, I gotta text my uncle Pete,
who was real fast to text me after the Aaron
Rodgers injury. Hadn't talked to Uncle Pete in like three years.
Uncle Pete text me right after that game. But I'm
gonna text him right now.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Are you watching this, Pete?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Hey, Pete, Pete?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You watching this game?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Peint Petey? You're watching this game?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's kind of fun. That's kind of fun. But is it?
Is it fun? Like we've hit the point of sad?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I think no, Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Come on, the Giant.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We're so great, the Giant. The Giants have always walked
around with an air of elitism. Whatever you We're the Giants. Okay,
we do things, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
There's still the second in division. Everybody's adopted the Cowboys.
Nobody adopted with giantsis we're the Giants. I'm sorry, but
we're the do you know where the giants? Right, We're
the Giants. We're the Giants. They're the Steelers. We're together, right,
We're both. We're both very very elite. The Chiefs would
like to join us now. They want to be contented,
But we're the Giants.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do it better. We're bet the Giants, like Global Gym,
we're better than you and we know it. Except what
happens to Global Gym. Sorry spoiler, Alerk, it happens a
Global Jim at the end, and they wind up beating
pizza and he gets all fat, and look what happens
to him.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I appreciate this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Anybody's seeing pirates.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Steve's who's that? Who's that?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But you just heard all of that justin he's trying
to dismiss the fact that the Jets still suck. He's
still sway, don't still suck. We were better last night.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
You know, still the guy on the team. We're starting.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't know you're talking about pirate now? That's nobody
on our team. That's the team. Uh look, the Jets,
we did. What if we had a pirate playing wide receiver.
Uh no, it's kind of fun to see the Giants
have more problems than we do because look, they're locked
into their guy for the next three years, a quarterback.
The Jets are not right boy, Okay, I mean think
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about that for a second, because let's go back right
to to dive into Daniel Jones. When Brian Dable first
got this job, right when he first got this job
last year, what did we hear from him? Yeah, Daniel Jones.
But oh, I want to get to Rod Taylor a
lot of action. Maybe I'm going to start him in
a game or two in the preseason to get him ready.
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It was whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And maybe this was
a little bit of gamesmanship saying Daniel Jones, you got
to earn it a little bit. But Brian Dable, very
familiar with to Rod Taylor from from Buffalo and or hey,
we're gonna do this, didn't really strike you as Hey,
I I this is our this is the guy we
drafted number one in the first round, number six overall.
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Even though I inherited him. He's still someone we have
to make things work. I never got the sense that
Brian Dabele came in saying, Hey, you and I are
gonna take over this league together, right, I know, I
never got that from him. I got that this was
kind of an arranged marriage. And Dable made the best
that he could of it last year, and Daniel Jones
played very well, and we in a contract year he
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played really well, and then the Giants decide, hey, okay,
well now we're just gonna give you all this money.
And it's like, oh, is he really getting better or
does he need to show you again? Because if you
showed me for one year in a contract year, sorry,
Blake Snell, now I need to see it a little
bit more often.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You're gonna use Blake Snell as the reference point for
that for the man that's great because he actually did
it twice.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Daniel Jones is Blake Snell of quarterbacks. A.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean, I know you can go back and look
at you last year's schedule. You can do all those
fun things, and you can only beat who's on the
schedule and then try to evaluate from there. With Daniel Jones,
you had the decision to make, and it's the unfortunate
one for teams. And and look, we can all say
they chose poorly. I'm always if I want to see
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another look see, uh, let me franchise you and then
we'll we'll see if we got this right. Prove it again.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, we think we're right. And here's money for this year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Right, here's a lot of money. Here's a lot of money.
But we're not we're not going two hundred with you yet.
I like you, I love you, but we're not going
into two hundreds. Well, this is where we get engaged. Okay,
this is where we get engage. We see, here's my
promise ring married. If this works out and I feel
good about this in a year, maybe we'll upgrade it
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with a couple extra carriacs. You in high school in
the eighties, here's a promise. I promise that I'm gonna
marry you might still be a thing. So so it
would be the Midwest. There's parts of the Midwest still behind.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Kirk Cousins then got a promise ring and an engagement
and then he got paid right franchise you only got
to get franchised twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So whatever anybody disrespects. Kirk Cousins always point to the
fact he'd been playing on guaranteed money for a long time.
You can hate him all you want, but he need
a lot of money. But with Daniel Jones, right, it
would be hooview if you've got questions about a guy
because he wasn't a dominant statistical quarterback, right, This wasn't hey,
It's thirty five and twelve four thousand yards rushing for
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a bunch of yards and you could see, all right,
we make one or two moves around him, this gets
that much better.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It was, well, we did, but.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Then you went quantity over quality when it came to
the wide receivers and he brought in Waller. Great, he's
one man and he's never healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You talk about the guy look and there's many ways. Again,
we talked a lot about Daniel Jones. We'll talking more
about him. But you you made the big you said
the big name right there. Because of all the changes
the Giants made. Bring in Darren Waller, was it right?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That was the move all through preseason? It was every
pass is going to Darren Waller.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Every Darren affects the game enough, yes to where it
changes it now you also still thought old twenty six
was gonna be in your backfield.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
True, true, but still you have Daniel Jones is a
guy that has enough escapability. The Giants run a lot
of plays where they throw right off the line of scrimmage.
They throw a lot of screen passes. This wasn't gonna
be well because of Saquon Barkley. We can't make even
the shortest I do work except now the short pass
the game isn't even working.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I mean you can complete him from five yards, pop
this and pray for yet, but the whole notion of
his capability was debunked tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, but look, but look at Darren Waller. Okay,
he's he's through three games. He's caught twelve balls in
three games, and he was the difference maker. And it's
not like he's not it's not like even he's out like, Okay, well,
he's gonna be great for six weeks and then he's
gonna get which is what normally happens.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
No, well, he starts the season, was getting the questionable
tag immediately, right.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, but he is, he's been, he's been, he has disappeared.
He has not been around at all. He had one
decent game, right, The win against Arizona wasn't bad. That
had the big second f comeback. He caught eight passes.
But everything else is where's a guy beIN?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I mean, where's the guy been? He caught half his
passes in that game, six passes that game. He's got
six passes in the other three games. And he was
the guy they were designing the passing game around, and
it has it worked. Everything the Giants have done this year,
nothing has worked. It's been a complete and total failure everywhere.
I mean, I don't know what. Tell me one part
of the Giants where you go, oh hey, they have
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that to hang their hat on. Right, Daniel Jones is stunk.
Saquon Barkley canket on the field receiving corps is terrible,
offensive line is terrible. Defense can't play well enough. Brian
Dable has made many questions. I mean, it's not like
tonight he's made questionable decisions. But the previous three weeks
it's been head scratchers. There's nothing the Giant. There's not
one thing I can hang my hat on the Giant
(25:00):
say okay, let's start with this and then let's build
none of it. There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing at all.
I keep thinking of, I'm a Giants fan. Is we're
paying Daniel Jones all that money. We're paying Daniel Jones
all that money. We're paying them all that money.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Now, does Brian Dable get fined for breaking that iPad
or whatever? The tablet is? The surface?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Those things are tough because they have the kid. They
have the kid blue. You know, they have the protective
first intrank. You could drop off a fourteen story building,
so it's hard to break. Yeah. Yeah, they do that
just because they know that somebody's gonna get upset and
they're going to break them. So now they put the
blue things around them, so it's like a little kid. Kindle.
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Speaker 5 (25:53):
Hey, what's going on? This is the greatest football game
ever played? Uh, Myer's killing me?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, you know it's funny because we talked about that.
You know a few minutes ago we broke down this game.
We talked a lot about the Giants and Daniel Jones
and Barkley and the receivers, and this all could come
down to the fact that the Giants may just think
this year and maybe that simple. They may just think
this year.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, they haven't scored a first half touchdown all year.
They're scoring differential coming into this one in the first
half was minus fifty seven. I did like the first
half under twenty three, and it really should have been
less than that. If Daniel Jones holds onto the football,
you know, they gave pretty much one of those one
(26:36):
of those touchdowns away. So yeah, I mean the Giants
are really limited. This is how I think a lot
of people thought they would look last year, and you know,
they kind of got on this magic carpet ride and
found ways to win games and became this sort of
halftime adjustment, fourth quarter monster, kind of like the Minnesota Vikings, right,
(26:56):
and then that stuff, you know, tends to be cyclical
and yearly, and there's regression and it's certainly come in
a big way for the Giants. Also, at this time
last year, nobody was you know, no non quarterback was
seeing more of the football in this league than Saquon Barkley,
Like they rode him hard the first eight or nine
weeks last year. He really was their offense and he
(27:19):
obviously has barely played this year. I don't know why
they didn't put the non exclusive tag on the quarterback
and just let the running back see what was out
there for him, because there wasn't much out there for him,
and they could have kept the quarterback for far less money.
Who you know. I did think certainly showed signs of
development under Brian Dable, But yeah, this is ugly. This
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is ugly, and even in a watered down NFC, this
doesn't look like a team that's going to win too
many games. I mean, it took some historic stuff for
them to beat Arizona. We now know is better than
we thought they were going to be. But sorry, my
dog is freaking out over here. But yes, this is
a limited Giants operation and they seem to always be behind.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Your dog smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I don't know. Back to the vetthing, something's going on
with him. He's a good old guy though, he's that's
a good chopper.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
He wanted his five point three points from Myers that's
that's what comes from.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well, now it's the true field goals. Well, what the
hell is Pete doing? First of all, not just kicking
that field goal? Now, who does he think he is?
The Brandon's stealing in a hold of him. You're supposed
to kick the field goal there, Pete.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, no, no, no, that's it. That's reserved for eber
flu this.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Come on, you're Pete Carroll. What are we doing here?
Fellows analytics punks the fall give me that field goal
that's got to be automatic.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well and all the analytics guys that don't take into
account all the results of everything else and every other
time you don't.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Go for Yeah, no, I mean he made the right decision.
That's just the wrong decision for me, and the wrong
decision I thought Pete Carroll would have made there.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's a wrong decision from America. What did you think
of the hit on Gino Smith? And then he saw
Drew lock him in and lead a touchdown and charge
but he gets right back in along the sidelines. We're
seeing it get a little spicy.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
This game has been testy and flag filled from the onset.
I mean it seems a lot of extracurriculars. Guys looking
to put a little hot sauce on it, or you know,
make that extra throw to the ground or put you know,
like the bodyweight deal that they kind of tried to
adjudicate out of the game a few years ago. Seems
(29:30):
to be guys are pushing the boundaries a little bit there.
I don't I mean, I have a hard time thinking
that like this really is some sort of Gino Smith
revenge came, or that you know, any of the other whatever.
One hundred and two. Well, now take out the guys
are on the inactive whatever that there's ninety other guys
in this game, will give it. Damn about that. Now,
(29:51):
they did play last year, and I guess that game,
you know, looking back on it was a little chippy.
Here we go another face mask. This is great. I
don't know, but it's it seemed very sort of testy
and antagonistic from the GIDEO for two teams that you
don't really think of his rivals.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
All right, Jay's we move on from this game.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
We have to Well, would we talk about more crappy
primetime football?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Well we got more.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We got plenty of bad football to talk about. Hey, dude,
we'll call you Thursday for Commanders and Bears. If you're
not careful you watch, we'll call you twice. Hey, what
what was your.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Big taking over their points total?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
By the way, here we go, all right, Hey, what
was your takeaway Jet's Chiefs last night? You know, look
Chiefs escape obviously Jet Zach Wilson looks a little bit better.
A couple of penalties called not called at the end.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, I think it was just a very odd outing
for Patrick Mahomes, who's had a few of them this year,
and a few of them in prime time, and obviously
the Lions one had a lot to do with his
guys not being able to do their job. But but
this is just him playing sort of hero ball, right,
And I don't know, man, I don't know if it's
(31:03):
because his wife's hanging out with Taylor Swift up in
the suite, you know what I mean, and he wants
to put on a show. But I mean, he's usually
a guy who's content to hit a bunch of layups,
and here he was just kind of trying to do
too much and put too much air underballs and lob
weird passes and his footwork and sort of his fundamentals
(31:25):
and just squaring himself up for throws, like stuff that
you come to just expect from him wasn't there. And
I think that game had more to do with Patrick
mahomes mistakes than it did anything else. You know, Wilson Okay,
Like yeah, you run him around a little bit and
throw and throw and catch and like he wasn't terrible,
(31:47):
but Patrick Mahomes really allowed that to be a ballgame.
And I don't know, guys like don't I don't know.
I mean, everybody has a bad night, everybody has a
bad game. I get all that. I do. I think
they need a receiver though, Like I think if if
it's about winning super Bowls there, and it clearly is,
I don't know who it will be. But we were
(32:09):
now coming up into October and the end of the
month is the deadline. And I had some personnel people
tell me even after that first lines game, like dude,
it's just there's not enough there there, Like Andy Reid
knows he's going to have to do something, and I
bet I bet they do.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, bears kind of guys sitting they have tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I'm a real guy. I mean, I'm not talking about
perennial malcontent.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
As soon as Tom Win gets rid of you, I'm out.
I move on from that. Look, talking about bad losses,
the absolute beatdown of the New England Patriots something we've
talked about a little bit here on the show with
you before Jason. How long before they finally just say,
all right, Bill, it's been.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
A good run.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's obviously a very complicated disengagement there,
and there's a lot of backstory and a lot of
I mean, there's on on paralleled history there, but this
looks like a a suspect operation, maybe the most suspect operation,
(33:13):
and the idea that Bill O'Brien was going to come
in and fix everything just hasn't happened. The quarterback looks
worse now than he even did last year. And now
you're looking at that defense without the rookie corner and
without Judon, that's going to really take a hold on them.
I mean, that's going to be difficult to overcome, especially
when they're not you know, we know they're not going
(33:34):
to get a whole lot of run support from the offense.
So look, I don't know if Robert Craft again tries
to strip himself of some personnel, you know, duties or
I don't know if there's something that happens there in
terms of the division of power and a little more
separation of church and state between coaching and GM. And
(33:56):
I don't know whether that would be enough for Belichick
just to leave or would have you But I think,
you know, Robert Kraft likes to talk tough about all
this stuff, but you know, he's a pretty emotional guy.
And I don't know if at the end of the day,
how easy it would be for him to cut that cord,
you know, and now be without Brady and be without Belichick.
(34:20):
Time will tell, And I know that guy can still
is obviously still a hell of a football coach, but
he keeps having a coach with one hand behind his
back because of the personnel, just the lack of enough
sufficient talent. They don't have the athlete.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I hear you in that, but I think honestly
Belichick's coaching for his job because you know, you know,
they really didn't see eye to eye. Belichick kind of
threw that statement out there about not having money in
the offseason that rubbed Bob Kraft the wrong way. And
I can easily see this thing hasn't gotten better. Bob
Craft is going to say, Okay, this was more Tom
Brady driven than Bill Belichick. It's not getting better. There's
(34:56):
no stars on this team. So I can see one
of the those joint statements at the end of the
year saying, hey, Bill is stepping down, We thank him
for everything. We're onto what's next. It might just be
a tear down. They got to start over.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean maybe, you know, and Mayo steps up.
I just boiled boy. I know everything comes to an end,
but I'm just not sure where Robert Craft really is
on this. You know, there's a part of me that
feels like he likes giving the fans lip service to
this stuff, but actually blowing it all up right and
(35:34):
kind of starting from scratch. It's something he hasn't had
to do and so long. I mean, obviously, even the
transition from Bledsoe to Brady nobody could have planned. So
I don't know, guys, I mean maybe, but there is
a part of me that feels like Craft is trying
to have it both ways, Like he thinks he can
always keep everybody together and always make everything work. And yeah,
(35:55):
I'm gonna act like I'm holding him in check, and
I'm gonna talk tough about it. But at the end
of the day, Hey, that's my guy. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Hey, Jason, how does it feel to know that the
Ravens are going to win the AFC North going away?
They Sean Watson doesn't want to play football? So DTR
gets to the start.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah, that was nice, ye walk Halloween.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
May Bee may clinch it by then.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Well, I mean again, it's a long season and the
Ravens tend to have a lot of injury issues, so
we'll see. But it looks like they're probably going to
get Trubisky in Pittsburgh this weekend. So you will have
played the three road division games early in the year
and gotten Burrow in his worst funk of his career,
you know, playing with one calf. You get DTR in
(36:41):
a debut that he found out about about ninety minutes
before kickoff, and you get, well, there's the pick I needed. Okay,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Did you need a pick six? Did you You're getting
a pick six if that's what you need.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
No, I just needed the interception anytime Daniel Jones interception
plus one.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Twenty anytime account on other days of the week two, Wednesday, Thursday,
Saturday doesn't matter. Yeah, well what that says.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Given with sixteen career interceptions against cover three looks and
had no more than seven against anything else, Plucky loves
if they'll picks at home. So yeah, Witherspoon ninety seven.
So yeah, that's now twe I think that's now twenty
five career interceptions and thirty home games.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That good.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Where all the Ravens we were off the belt.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That good.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah. Look, now they get Trubisky after DTR so they
will probably take care of business. Trubisky through three picks
against them last year when Pickett got knocked out of
the game, you know. And then they go to London
against Tennessee. I still don't know what the Tennessee Titans are.
And then they come home no bye week, they get
the Lions, so we'll see. But yeah, if they're three
(37:51):
and oh on the road of the division through whatever
five weeks that's and everybody else in the division is
struggling to win games, then yeah, that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Hey, lassie, let's stay in the division. At some point,
do the Bengals sit Joe Burrow down? I mean clearly
he's not the same. For me to say it's hard, man, that's.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Hard, I mean it's not. He's not right. I mean,
he can't push the ball downfield. They they're they're they
become such an easy team to defend, which is just
so odd to say about that collection of talent. Look
it be six weeks ago, well I would have said,
all you could play anybody and beat the Cardinals. No,
that's not going to be the case. But they might
(38:31):
lose that game with Joe Burrow playing the way he is.
And I know Zach Taylor was kind of poopooing the
injury aspect of it. But I don't know. People in
this league I talked to evaluators certainly seemed to especially
people who watched that team closely and are in the
same division as them. This doesn't look like the Joe
Burrow that they're accustomed to. I mean, this Joe Burrow
is sitting duck. This Joe Burrow you know exactly where
(38:54):
the launch spot is all the time. So yeah, I
don't think they will doesn't sound like they will, But
I think this is a little different than years past.
I think this is gonna you know, we've seen September
slumbers from them offensively in the past. But I don't know, man,
this this this feels like something that's gonna be a
(39:17):
little tougher to dig out of.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's on Twitter at Jason Locke and four that is
at Jason Locke and for NFL inside of check him
out on Odyssey and the Washington Post as he gets
ready for the Orioles in the playoffs, the division winning Orioles.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Remember, we'll do that Saturday.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
How many months ago did I tell you? How many
months ago did I tell you they were going to
win the division?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I told you they were going to it was guaranteed.
Guaranteed it a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Guarantee.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hope you got you had a giant gold boot.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I hope you got your Orioles futures.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, I did early in the year to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Nice, look at you and your dog. Probably didn't get
Orioles futures. That's what he's upset about. That could be.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, Well he's back asleep. We're good, just like the
Jihad next week.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
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just to end me right there. Sorry, just gotta.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
See you're still having flashbacks.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I spent my afternoon laughing, just thinking how I would
handle things in my life if I were Matt eber Fluse,
Answering questions.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah, not uh yeah, not another another weekend for us.
It didn't not go not good, go well, not good.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I mean, at least the Chargers hung on against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Then that guy was just getting up in Mark Davis's
face with the video scene around the world. Yeah, blankety
blanket McDaniels, and he sits there stone face the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's great Chargers able to withstand the aid and O'Connell experience.
Get ready ahead of the curve, like we told you,
he's gonna start half the season. He's gonna start like
half the season. Watch just watch?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Does he have tiny baby hands?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Though it's not O'Connell. Is he played for a guy
getting no run? He did thrust in he was. I'll
tell you the guy's good, man, the guy is good
and now. But but who Josh McGann he made you know,
who knows? Jim plunkett. Maybe starting next week.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I will give some credit though, to DeVante. Everybody. He's
gonna be out. He's done. He went back like hell
with this. I'm bagging out here. I'm playing either.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're gonna say de mont to Adams for not asking
for a trade. Immediately after the game.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right, It doesn't mean he didn't. This is like just
because we haven't heard about it yet. Uh So we'll
get to the We'll get to the Jets and the Chiefs,
which it was okay, but we have high drama right
now Monday Night football between the Seahawks and the Giants.
We were at halftime and the Seahawks lead at fourteen
to three. Drew Locke, yeah, is now playing quarterback for
(02:34):
the Seahawks. Why Geno Smith was injured on a tackle
in the first half, Isaiah Simmons tackling him on the
way out of bounds. And there's there's three big things
to get to with this game. The first one, let's
deal with the injury to Gino Smith. Geno Smith was
very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He was he was brought down as Isaiah Simmons was
inbounds and then when Geno Smith they hit the white
part the out of bounds, Isaiah Simmons off and it's
an awkward landing for Geno Smith. I know a lot
of people were very upset. Gino Smith was very upset.
So Drew Lock comes in plays quarterback for the rest
(03:10):
of the first half, and it's Noah fant On a touchdown.
It's like, well, it's like it's Denver in twenty twenty.
We're going back three years. Man, look at this. I'm
gonna throw to the guy I know, the guy that
got traded with me over for this. So they go
and they make that, and they make the trade and
they make the switch to Drew Locke. Drew lock throws
a touchdown. We can argue about how legit the hit
(03:30):
was on Geno Smith. However, third quarter has just begun.
Gino Smith back under center for the Seattle Seahawks. He
went through the medical tent, went into the locker room
for analysis and investigation and some kind of exam. He
is back out. He is starting the third quarter at
quarterback for the steel.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now I remember on that sad way with running down
the sideline, two of the worst tackling efforts you'll ever see.
He was ruled down inside the one. So Kenneth Walker owners, yeah,
there's your gift touchdown.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah you got that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So he got that in nine carries nineteen yards. But
he does find the end zone at the end. But
for Gino, yeah, along the sideline, you have the odd
ricochet play where you catch the ball that h and
for him, you know, the difficult play along the sideline
because he's starting to engage him right as you get
(04:20):
to the sideline. So it's that tough. How do I
hold up? How do I stop speed of play?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Can? So it was unfortunate. It wasn't dirty. The tackle
started in bounds. It looks bad, and most of it
happens out of bounds. But the fact that Simmons pulls
back off of him. I mean, it's just one of
those things. It's unfortunate. Jason.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But if the Jets couldn't break Gino Smith, you really
think that tackle was gonna take him out? I'm true,
I went through. I'm strong in here, I am strong
inside my heart. I ready for the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Especially when he hears Hey, they did what on that
first possession after I was out?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So what? Who? So Gino Smith is back in not
back in rules out for the game. After making his return,
Jamal Adams was examined for a concussion on the sideline
was ruled out, and there's video he's very upset with
the doctor arguing with him on the slideline about going
back in the game. And I get it. He's been
(05:16):
out a long time, his career is derailed. And now
when you talk about Jamal adams name, you say, boy,
this could be the worst trade in NFL history. You've
traded for a box safety. You can't stay on the field.
And now finally he's making his return. See how excited
he was to play at MetLife Stadium. I'm excited to
be back in New York, back where it all began.
And now he's out for the game and he gets
upset at the doctor for saying, what do you mean,
(05:36):
I'm okay, I'm okay, I can go back in and play.
So no more Jamal Adams ruled out for the game.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, he got an attempt to sell it, right, I mean,
whatever the response was in the set of questions, Clearly
he got one wrong and really poorly. If he's gonna
get ruled out because we've seen guys, Jason, how many
times have we seen guys go out to the South,
There's no way he's come back in the game. There's
no chance in hell this guy's going to see the
(06:03):
field this week and wouldn't be surprised if its long
standing and then they're there on the next series. So
for Jamal Adams, I would question. You know, he as
he goes through protocol, what exactly were the Q and
A possibilities there that made the doctor immediately hold up
the flag and say you're not coming back. Yeah, I mean,
(06:23):
that's that's pretty extreme.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's not like he it's not like he is playing
Giants wide receivers in fantasy and it's gonna make it
easier to take you out.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I mean, you know, Daniel Jones would have to throw
the ball more than four yards down the field. Even
Kurt Warner on the radio broadcast going dink and dunk,
has he thrown the ball pass? I mean that play
to breed it was broken. But other than that, has
he thrown the ball beyond ten yards?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So that's where you also we'll get to the Giants
part of it now, because look like I said, there'd
been drama to breakdown. The Seahawks have been playing well.
No Jamal Adams, Gino Smith back in now to the Giants.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Sason real Quick who lasted longer Aaron Rodgers or Jamal.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Abs Oh Adams made. He made a few more plays
I think he made. I think he was more than
five snaps. I yes, I think he did. I think
he had more than five snaps. All right, we'll have
to take a look at that. By the way, Gino
just drew an unsportsman like conduct. Always some drama exit
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the Seahawks and looking and staring at the specter of
going one and three right at them. There's a lot
of things you can say for the Giants. There's a
lot of things you can say. You can say it
didn't work well. The wide receivers they brought in, the
hitting you with numbers and new faces hasn't worked. Really important. Yeah,
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Barkley not playing, that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The the teams are coming for the Giants this year.
When the Giants will sneak up on on everybody last year.
You can throw a lot of things out there for
the Giants. However, like we say the name of the
show should behead of the Curve with Jason Smith and
Mike Carmon, because we are ahead of the curve. Maybe
it's as we broke it down last week. Maybe the
Giants just stink. Yeah, maybe they just stink and they
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overvalued the roster. And you and I both liked them
coming in and loved THEO and I looked at and
I looked at Brian Dable and said, this guy was
the best head coach in the NFL last year. He's
made ridiculously bad decisions this year that have hurt the
team as well. But maybe it's just they just stink.
Daniel Jones is not the same guy. He does not
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have the same confidence level when he is back there
throwing the football. He just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He doesn't look like the same guy. He needs ailing
out on the one to one thousand count every time
he goes back under center. And look, they're still missing
Andrew Thomas. They've had some issues on the offensive line,
but guess what in the NFL is anybody playing complete?
How many teams have gone through without having a bunch
of their offensive linemen or so many others hurt. I mean,
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look at that. Look at our old friends, the Ravens
and the Chargers. They're doing okay, and they're running at
half masted. Yeah, it's it's it's very difficult when you
go from one season to the next. If you're the Giants,
you had great success and you're thinking, okay, everything was new,
right like cause you think when when things are new,
when you have success, Okay, well another year to gel
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together and we're just going to be better and okay,
what do we have to fix. We we need more wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Okay. So they went out and hit the wide receiver
situation with numbers and the draft, and clearly that hasn't worked.
You need to be start to bring a number one.
You got more, but you haven't gotten better tonight. Matt
Brida is your leading receiver. So all you need to know, right,
Daniel Jones can't go downfield. The Giants don't have a
lot of guys that can get open, and and you're
seeing how much they are struggling offensively and defensively not
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quite the same. So this is it was a difficult
year to project, not saying that, hey, come on, give
us a break. But last year, last year, they looked like,
all right, this is gonna be a team that takes
a step this year, and instead they did not. They
got caught by teams, had passed by other teams, and
all these things go into it. But maybe they just think,
maybe Daniel Jones is just not that good. Maybe after
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a year they know what Daniel Jones wants to do
a little bit more, especially in the in the division.
He's not good on primetime. He's a new primetime Kirk
because he's one and eleven in primetime games. Now, there's
a lot of things you can say, but right now,
this doesn't look like a Giants team where you could say, oh,
if you just had this, or if you just like,
if they had Saquon Barkley, would it be better. Probably not.
I mean it's not like they're, oh, boy, he's the hole.
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They would be three and one or getting ready to
go three and one if they had if they had
Saquon Barkley. That's not the way the Giants have been.
They just have not looked good all season.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, it goes back to the old Beatles track it's
getting better all the time, and then the background, you go,
they can't get much worse. That's kind of where we're
at with this. I mean that game against Dallas whatever,
these second week, they didn't wake up till halftime. Whatever
the performance was got them fired up. So they steal
the win against the plucky Arizona Cardinals and then they
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get blood. Call them plucky, they don't know what that means. Okay,
then they got bludgeoned by the forty nine ers. And
now we stand the one and eleven record that you
allude to in primetime, twelve touchdowns, sixteen interceptions, averaging fewer
than two hundred yea sucks per game ozh and six
Monday Night football. The number of fumbles that you had
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this year. It's been more about interceptions, but you have
the strip fumble in the first half. So all things
just rolling down hill thus far for the Giants this year.
And it's the question we asked, and look, the show is,
you know, in that window, and you have to react
to what you're watching and what's most recent. But trying
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to take after the first three weeks of the season,
right when we talked about Miami and Buffalo, looking at
what Miami had done through the first three weeks, I'm like,
are they really that good? Look at the guys, look
at the teams they played right, and then they go
out and get absolutely smashed by a pissed off Buffalo
Bills team that was tired of reading all about how
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great the Dolphins were so week to week in the NFL.
But I can say with some certainty right now, barring
a miracle, these giants are going into the good night.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
They're like, they're like Rocky and Rocky four. When he
when he crumples a picture of Drago up on his
on his mirror, I'm singing here about how good to it?
And it's Josh Allen crumpling the picture of two look
at the game he had?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And then Stefan Diggs was stiff, army, guys, like he
was in a video game two years off.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Maybe maybe Stefan Diggs is happy again, Maybe things are happier.
He happy Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
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Speaker 1 (13:08):
This is not a story about my fantasy team. This
is a story about my dad. Maybe the saddest words
that I've heard in the world today. My dad said
to me, I just need fifteen from Daniel Jose and.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I yeah, oh no, Dad, minus fifteen or fifteen, as
you say, depending on if your league still takes the
hit for sacks.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He might be in the.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Negative car yeah tory here, man, he's on his way
to minus fifteen guy.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, no, no, he's hanging on a second. He's worth
wait six, Yeah, he's about but he's worth worth about
seven right now.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Wow, he's still in positive territory. Well, I got sixty
yards rushing, so that so that helps a little bit.
Figured that would have all been negated by now. The
latest debacle is uh is truly special?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What is what is happening right now with the Giants
and the Seahawks? Right five and a half to go
before this game mercifully ends for the Giants. The Seahawks
are deep in Giants territory. They look like they'll be
coming out to kick a field goal to go up
by three touchdowns. Again, five and a half to go
with this game, Seahawks are gonna kick a field goal
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because Daniel Jones just got picked, triple clutching looking down
a well, this was one play with triple clutching, triple
clutching looking downfield. Quandre Diggs comes up with the pick,
sets up the Seahawks deep in Giants territory. This is
just a few minutes after video that is now gonna
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wind up going viral of an interaction that Brian Dable
and Daniel Jones had on the sideline. He had to
pick six a few minutes ago Daniel Jones. It made
a twenty one to three and Daniel Jones comes off
the field and Brian Dable gets in his face and
Daniel Jones kind of turns away, look up at the scoreboard.
I'm not gonna sit here and look at the coach
while he yells at me. Okay, we've seen that before.
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There's video out there of Daniel Jones sitting on the
bench looking down in an iPad. Brian Dabele standing in
front of Daniel Jones with an iPad in his hand,
and Brian Dabele had had enough, apparently of Daniel Jones
took the iPad that was in his hands, flipped it
and walked away with a disgusted look. On his face,
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almost as if in the back of his mind you're
hearing him say, we're into this guy for three more
years and one hundred and twenty million dollars. We get
this guy four years and one hundred and sixty million.
Oh I really thought, I really thought it was gonna work.
And now look where it is.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Well, I mean he'll always have Coach of the Year
on his resume.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, oh yeah, he'll have to put that in a
kirk Cousins room. Like, how's that's a that's a a
kirk Cousins room where you put all your memorabilia when
you don't want to put it out some people see it.
Just put it in a room so you can look
at it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's just tough, right, because now you're on the hook.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You have no.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Idea like trying to deciphe for this is the same
quandary they're having in Chicago. How much of this is
our quarterback? How much of this is what is standing
in front of him? Because this offensive line is quite porous.
But he looked I want to see the reverse angle
on that interception, because you saw number fifty eight come free.
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He loops back around there looks like there's a running
lane and maybe Jones is gonna take off and then
all of a sudden, nope, someone filled that gap. But
he's coming straight at me. Triple clutch and then you
grossly overthrow your receiver. But how much of it is
decision making? Your whatever your game plan was, thinking that
you'd be able to make a play. Go back to
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the personnel moves, which is a whole other thing. So
these things kind of run in parallel. Oh as we're
going here. Yeah, but Jones has been awful. Look, look,
let's can only excuse it with the offensive line so much.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, let's be positive here for a second. After going
through what I did last night with the Jets, it
feels great to unload on the Giants like this. I
think this is this is awesome. That Ah, you stink
worse than we do it. You thought here we are
doing it all right? Rat listen? Do we still lost?
But seeing this tonight makes my hurt and upset at
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the Jets losing to the Chiefs. Go away a little
bit like this kind of this kind of kills the
hate in my heart a little. It kind of it's
kind of like, oh boy, it's kind of like it's
kind of like a reverse horse Crux, like you know,
you kill the horse crucks and the evil out of oldemort,
like if there were good stuff in it and you
and instead of when you knocked out the horse crucks,
it just took a little evil out of you, or
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took a little upset and and and anger out of you.
Like watching this tonight takes a little bit of upset
and this and anger out of me for the Jets
last night. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You guys? Are they stink anybody?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh? Man? Hey, oh, I gotta text my uncle Pete,
who was real fast to text me after the Aaron
Rodgers injury. Hadn't talked to Uncle Pete in like three years.
Uncle Pete text me right after that game. But I'm
gonna text him right now.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Years.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Are you watching this, Pete?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Hey, Pete, Pete?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You watching this game?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Peint Petey? You're watching this game?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's kind of fun. That's kind of fun. But is it?
Is it fun? Like we've hit the point of sad?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I think no, Come on, man.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Come on, the Giant.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We're so great, the Giant. The Giants have always walked
around with an air of elitism. Whatever you We're the Giants. Okay,
we do things, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
There's still the second in division. Everybody's adopted the Cowboys.
Nobody adopted with giantsis we're the Giants. I'm sorry, but
we're the do you know where the giants? Right, We're
the Giants. We're the Giants. They're the Steelers. We're together, right,
We're both. We're both very very elite. The Chiefs would
like to join us now. They want to be contented,
But we're the Giants.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We do it better. We're bet the Giants, like Global Gym,
we're better than you and we know it. Except what
happens to Global Gym. Sorry spoiler, Alerk, it happens a
Global Jim at the end, and they wind up beating
pizza and he gets all fat, and look what happens
to him.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I appreciate this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Anybody's seeing pirates.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Steve's who's that? Who's that?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But you just heard all of that justin he's trying
to dismiss the fact that the Jets still suck. He's
still sway, don't still suck. We were better last night.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
You know, still the guy on the team. We're starting.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't know you're talking about pirate now? That's nobody
on our team. That's the team. Uh look, the Jets,
we did. What if we had a pirate playing wide receiver.
Uh no, it's kind of fun to see the Giants
have more problems than we do because look, they're locked
into their guy for the next three years, a quarterback.
The Jets are not right boy, Okay, I mean think
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about that for a second, because let's go back right
to to dive into Daniel Jones. When Brian Dable first
got this job, right when he first got this job
last year, what did we hear from him? Yeah, Daniel Jones.
But oh, I want to get to Rod Taylor a
lot of action. Maybe I'm going to start him in
a game or two in the preseason to get him ready.
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It was whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And maybe this was
a little bit of gamesmanship saying Daniel Jones, you got
to earn it a little bit. But Brian Dable, very
familiar with to Rod Taylor from from Buffalo and or hey,
we're gonna do this, didn't really strike you as Hey,
I I this is our this is the guy we
drafted number one in the first round, number six overall.
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Even though I inherited him. He's still someone we have
to make things work. I never got the sense that
Brian Dabele came in saying, Hey, you and I are
gonna take over this league together, right, I know, I
never got that from him. I got that this was
kind of an arranged marriage. And Dable made the best
that he could of it last year, and Daniel Jones
played very well, and we in a contract year he
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played really well, and then the Giants decide, hey, okay,
well now we're just gonna give you all this money.
And it's like, oh, is he really getting better or
does he need to show you again? Because if you
showed me for one year in a contract year, sorry,
Blake Snell, now I need to see it a little
bit more often.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You're gonna use Blake Snell as the reference point for
that for the man that's great because he actually did
it twice.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Daniel Jones is Blake Snell of quarterbacks. A.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I mean, I know you can go back and look
at you last year's schedule. You can do all those
fun things, and you can only beat who's on the
schedule and then try to evaluate from there. With Daniel Jones,
you had the decision to make, and it's the unfortunate
one for teams. And and look, we can all say
they chose poorly. I'm always if I want to see
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another look see, uh, let me franchise you and then
we'll we'll see if we got this right. Prove it again.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, we think we're right. And here's money for this year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Right, here's a lot of money. Here's a lot of money.
But we're not we're not going two hundred with you yet.
I like you, I love you, but we're not going
into two hundreds. Well, this is where we get engaged. Okay,
this is where we get engage. We see, here's my
promise ring married. If this works out and I feel
good about this in a year, maybe we'll upgrade it
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with a couple extra carriacs. You in high school in
the eighties, here's a promise. I promise that I'm gonna
marry you might still be a thing. So so it
would be the Midwest. There's parts of the Midwest still behind.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Kirk Cousins then got a promise ring and an engagement
and then he got paid right franchise you only got
to get franchised twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So whatever anybody disrespects. Kirk Cousins always point to the
fact he'd been playing on guaranteed money for a long time.
You can hate him all you want, but he need
a lot of money. But with Daniel Jones, right, it
would be hooview if you've got questions about a guy
because he wasn't a dominant statistical quarterback, right, This wasn't hey,
It's thirty five and twelve four thousand yards rushing for
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a bunch of yards and you could see, all right,
we make one or two moves around him, this gets
that much better.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It was, well, we did, but.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Then you went quantity over quality when it came to
the wide receivers and he brought in Waller. Great, he's
one man and he's never healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You talk about the guy look and there's many ways. Again,
we talked a lot about Daniel Jones. We'll talking more
about him. But you you made the big you said
the big name right there. Because of all the changes
the Giants made. Bring in Darren Waller, was it right?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That was the move all through preseason? It was every
pass is going to Darren Waller.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Every Darren affects the game enough, yes to where it
changes it now you also still thought old twenty six
was gonna be in your backfield.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
True, true, but still you have Daniel Jones is a
guy that has enough escapability. The Giants run a lot
of plays where they throw right off the line of scrimmage.
They throw a lot of screen passes. This wasn't gonna
be well because of Saquon Barkley. We can't make even
the shortest I do work except now the short pass
the game isn't even working.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I mean you can complete him from five yards, pop
this and pray for yet, but the whole notion of
his capability was debunked tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, but look, but look at Darren Waller. Okay,
he's he's through three games. He's caught twelve balls in
three games, and he was the difference maker. And it's
not like he's not it's not like even he's out like, Okay, well,
he's gonna be great for six weeks and then he's
gonna get which is what normally happens.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
No, well, he starts the season, was getting the questionable
tag immediately, right.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, but he is, he's been, he's been, he has disappeared.
He has not been around at all. He had one
decent game, right, The win against Arizona wasn't bad. That
had the big second f comeback. He caught eight passes.
But everything else is where's a guy beIN?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I mean, where's the guy been? He caught half his
passes in that game, six passes that game. He's got
six passes in the other three games. And he was
the guy they were designing the passing game around, and
it has it worked. Everything the Giants have done this year,
nothing has worked. It's been a complete and total failure everywhere.
I mean, I don't know what. Tell me one part
of the Giants where you go, oh hey, they have
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that to hang their hat on. Right, Daniel Jones is stunk.
Saquon Barkley canket on the field receiving corps is terrible,
offensive line is terrible. Defense can't play well enough. Brian
Dable has made many questions. I mean, it's not like
tonight he's made questionable decisions. But the previous three weeks
it's been head scratchers. There's nothing the Giant. There's not
one thing I can hang my hat on the Giant
(25:00):
say okay, let's start with this and then let's build
none of it. There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing at all.
I keep thinking of, I'm a Giants fan. Is we're
paying Daniel Jones all that money. We're paying Daniel Jones
all that money. We're paying them all that money.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Now, does Brian Dable get fined for breaking that iPad
or whatever? The tablet is? The surface?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Those things are tough because they have the kid. They
have the kid blue. You know, they have the protective
first intrank. You could drop off a fourteen story building,
so it's hard to break. Yeah. Yeah, they do that
just because they know that somebody's gonna get upset and
they're going to break them. So now they put the
blue things around them, so it's like a little kid. Kindle.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
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Speaker 1 (25:47):
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and What's Happening? Jay?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Hey, what's going on? This is the greatest football game
ever played? Uh, Myer's killing me?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, you know it's funny because we talked about that.
You know a few minutes ago we broke down this game.
We talked a lot about the Giants and Daniel Jones
and Barkley and the receivers, and this all could come
down to the fact that the Giants may just think
this year and maybe that simple. They may just think
this year.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, they haven't scored a first half touchdown all year.
They're scoring differential coming into this one in the first
half was minus fifty seven. I did like the first
half under twenty three, and it really should have been
less than that. If Daniel Jones holds onto the football,
you know, they gave pretty much one of those one
(26:36):
of those touchdowns away. So yeah, I mean the Giants
are really limited. This is how I think a lot
of people thought they would look last year, and you know,
they kind of got on this magic carpet ride and
found ways to win games and became this sort of
halftime adjustment, fourth quarter monster, kind of like the Minnesota Vikings, right,
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and then that stuff, you know, tends to be cyclical
and yearly, and there's regression and it's certainly come in
a big way for the Giants. Also, at this time
last year, nobody was you know, no non quarterback was
seeing more of the football in this league than Saquon Barkley,
Like they rode him hard the first eight or nine
weeks last year. He really was their offense and he
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obviously has barely played this year. I don't know why
they didn't put the non exclusive tag on the quarterback
and just let the running back see what was out
there for him, because there wasn't much out there for him,
and they could have kept the quarterback for far less money.
Who you know. I did think certainly showed signs of
development under Brian Dable, But yeah, this is ugly. This
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is ugly, and even in a watered down NFC, this
doesn't look like a team that's going to win too
many games. I mean, it took some historic stuff for
them to beat Arizona. We now know is better than
we thought they were going to be. But sorry, my
dog is freaking out over here. But yes, this is
a limited Giants operation and they seem to always be behind.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Your dog smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I don't know. Back to the vetthing, something's going on
with him. He's a good old guy though, he's that's
a good chopper.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
He wanted his five point three points from Myers that's
that's what comes from.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well, now it's the true field goals. Well, what the
hell is Pete doing? First of all, not just kicking
that field goal? Now, who does he think he is?
The Brandon's stealing in a hold of him. You're supposed
to kick the field goal there, Pete.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, no, no, no, that's it. That's reserved for eber
flu this.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Come on, you're Pete Carroll. What are we doing here?
Fellows analytics punks the fall give me that field goal
that's got to be automatic.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well and all the analytics guys that don't take into
account all the results of everything else and every other
time you don't.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Go for Yeah, no, I mean he made the right decision.
That's just the wrong decision for me, and the wrong
decision I thought Pete Carroll would have made there.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's a wrong decision from America. What did you think
of the hit on Gino Smith? And then he saw
Drew lock him in and lead a touchdown and charge
but he gets right back in along the sidelines. We're
seeing it get a little spicy.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
This game has been testy and flag filled from the onset.
I mean it seems a lot of extracurriculars. Guys looking
to put a little hot sauce on it, or you know,
make that extra throw to the ground or put you know,
like the bodyweight deal that they kind of tried to
adjudicate out of the game a few years ago. Seems
(29:30):
to be guys are pushing the boundaries a little bit there.
I don't I mean, I have a hard time thinking
that like this really is some sort of Gino Smith
revenge came, or that you know, any of the other whatever.
One hundred and two. Well, now take out the guys
are on the inactive whatever that there's ninety other guys
in this game, will give it. Damn about that. Now,
(29:51):
they did play last year, and I guess that game,
you know, looking back on it was a little chippy.
Here we go another face mask. This is great. I
don't know, but it's it seemed very sort of testy
and antagonistic from the GIDEO for two teams that you
don't really think of his rivals.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
All right, Jay's we move on from this game.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
We have to Well, would we talk about more crappy
primetime football?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Well we got more.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We got plenty of bad football to talk about. Hey, dude,
we'll call you Thursday for Commanders and Bears. If you're
not careful you watch, we'll call you twice. Hey, what
what was your.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Big taking over their points total?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
By the way, here we go, all right, Hey, what
was your takeaway Jet's Chiefs last night? You know, look
Chiefs escape obviously Jet Zach Wilson looks a little bit better.
A couple of penalties called not called at the end.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, I think it was just a very odd outing
for Patrick Mahomes, who's had a few of them this year,
and a few of them in prime time, and obviously
the Lions one had a lot to do with his
guys not being able to do their job. But but
this is just him playing sort of hero ball, right,
And I don't know, man, I don't know if it's
(31:03):
because his wife's hanging out with Taylor Swift up in
the suite, you know what I mean, and he wants
to put on a show. But I mean, he's usually
a guy who's content to hit a bunch of layups,
and here he was just kind of trying to do
too much and put too much air underballs and lob
weird passes and his footwork and sort of his fundamentals
(31:25):
and just squaring himself up for throws, like stuff that
you come to just expect from him wasn't there. And
I think that game had more to do with Patrick
mahomes mistakes than it did anything else. You know, Wilson Okay,
Like yeah, you run him around a little bit and
throw and throw and catch and like he wasn't terrible,
(31:47):
but Patrick Mahomes really allowed that to be a ballgame.
And I don't know, guys like don't I don't know.
I mean, everybody has a bad night, everybody has a
bad game. I get all that. I do. I think
they need a receiver though, Like I think if if
it's about winning super Bowls there, and it clearly is,
I don't know who it will be. But we were
(32:09):
now coming up into October and the end of the
month is the deadline. And I had some personnel people
tell me even after that first lines game, like dude,
it's just there's not enough there there, Like Andy Reid
knows he's going to have to do something, and I
bet I bet they do.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, bears kind of guys sitting they have tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I'm a real guy. I mean, I'm not talking about
perennial malcontent.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
As soon as Tom Win gets rid of you, I'm out.
I move on from that. Look, talking about bad losses,
the absolute beatdown of the New England Patriots something we've
talked about a little bit here on the show with
you before Jason. How long before they finally just say,
all right, Bill, it's been.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
A good run.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's obviously a very complicated disengagement there,
and there's a lot of backstory and a lot of
I mean, there's on on paralleled history there, but this
looks like a a suspect operation, maybe the most suspect operation,
(33:13):
and the idea that Bill O'Brien was going to come
in and fix everything just hasn't happened. The quarterback looks
worse now than he even did last year. And now
you're looking at that defense without the rookie corner and
without Judon, that's going to really take a hold on them.
I mean, that's going to be difficult to overcome, especially
when they're not you know, we know they're not going
(33:34):
to get a whole lot of run support from the offense.
So look, I don't know if Robert Craft again tries
to strip himself of some personnel, you know, duties or
I don't know if there's something that happens there in
terms of the division of power and a little more
separation of church and state between coaching and GM. And
(33:56):
I don't know whether that would be enough for Belichick
just to leave or would have you But I think,
you know, Robert Kraft likes to talk tough about all
this stuff, but you know, he's a pretty emotional guy.
And I don't know if at the end of the day,
how easy it would be for him to cut that cord,
you know, and now be without Brady and be without Belichick.
(34:20):
Time will tell, And I know that guy can still
is obviously still a hell of a football coach, but
he keeps having a coach with one hand behind his
back because of the personnel, just the lack of enough
sufficient talent. They don't have the athlete.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, I hear you in that, but I think honestly
Belichick's coaching for his job because you know, you know,
they really didn't see eye to eye. Belichick kind of
threw that statement out there about not having money in
the offseason that rubbed Bob Kraft the wrong way. And
I can easily see this thing hasn't gotten better. Bob
Craft is going to say, Okay, this was more Tom
Brady driven than Bill Belichick. It's not getting better. There's
(34:56):
no stars on this team. So I can see one
of the those joint statements at the end of the
year saying, hey, Bill is stepping down, We thank him
for everything. We're onto what's next. It might just be
a tear down. They got to start over.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean maybe, you know, and Mayo steps up.
I just boiled boy. I know everything comes to an end,
but I'm just not sure where Robert Craft really is
on this. You know, there's a part of me that
feels like he likes giving the fans lip service to
this stuff, but actually blowing it all up right and
(35:34):
kind of starting from scratch. It's something he hasn't had
to do and so long. I mean, obviously, even the
transition from Bledsoe to Brady nobody could have planned. So
I don't know, guys, I mean maybe, but there is
a part of me that feels like Craft is trying
to have it both ways, Like he thinks he can
always keep everybody together and always make everything work. And yeah,
(35:55):
I'm gonna act like I'm holding him in check, and
I'm gonna talk tough about it. But at the end
of the day, Hey, that's my guy. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Hey, Jason, how does it feel to know that the
Ravens are going to win the AFC North going away?
They Sean Watson doesn't want to play football? So DTR
gets to the start.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah, that was nice, ye walk Halloween.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
May Bee may clinch it by then.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Well, I mean again, it's a long season and the
Ravens tend to have a lot of injury issues, so
we'll see. But it looks like they're probably going to
get Trubisky in Pittsburgh this weekend. So you will have
played the three road division games early in the year
and gotten Burrow in his worst funk of his career,
you know, playing with one calf. You get DTR in
(36:41):
a debut that he found out about about ninety minutes
before kickoff, and you get, well, there's the pick I needed. Okay,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Did you need a pick six? Did you You're getting
a pick six if that's what you need.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
No, I just needed the interception anytime Daniel Jones interception
plus one.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Twenty anytime account on other days of the week two, Wednesday, Thursday,
Saturday doesn't matter. Yeah, well what that says.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Given with sixteen career interceptions against cover three looks and
had no more than seven against anything else, Plucky loves
if they'll picks at home. So yeah, Witherspoon ninety seven.
So yeah, that's now twe I think that's now twenty
five career interceptions and thirty home games.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That good.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Where all the Ravens we were off the belt.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That good.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah. Look, now they get Trubisky after DTR so they
will probably take care of business. Trubisky through three picks
against them last year when Pickett got knocked out of
the game, you know. And then they go to London
against Tennessee. I still don't know what the Tennessee Titans are.
And then they come home no bye week, they get
the Lions, so we'll see. But yeah, if they're three
(37:51):
and oh on the road of the division through whatever
five weeks that's and everybody else in the division is
struggling to win games, then yeah, that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Hey, lassie, let's stay in the division. At some point,
do the Bengals sit Joe Burrow down? I mean clearly
he's not the same. For me to say it's hard, man, that's.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Hard, I mean it's not. He's not right. I mean,
he can't push the ball downfield. They they're they're they
become such an easy team to defend, which is just
so odd to say about that collection of talent. Look
it be six weeks ago, well I would have said,
all you could play anybody and beat the Cardinals. No,
that's not going to be the case. But they might
(38:31):
lose that game with Joe Burrow playing the way he is.
And I know Zach Taylor was kind of poopooing the
injury aspect of it. But I don't know. People in
this league I talked to evaluators certainly seemed to especially
people who watched that team closely and are in the
same division as them. This doesn't look like the Joe
Burrow that they're accustomed to. I mean, this Joe Burrow
is sitting duck. This Joe Burrow you know exactly where
(38:54):
the launch spot is all the time. So yeah, I
don't think they will doesn't sound like they will, But
I think this is a little different than years past.
I think this is gonna you know, we've seen September
slumbers from them offensively in the past. But I don't know, man,
this this this feels like something that's gonna be a
(39:17):
little tougher to dig out of.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He's on Twitter at Jason Locke and four that is
at Jason Locke and for NFL inside of check him
out on Odyssey and the Washington Post as he gets
ready for the Orioles in the playoffs, the division winning Orioles.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Remember, we'll do that Saturday.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
How many months ago did I tell you? How many
months ago did I tell you they were going to
win the division?
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I told you they were going to it was guaranteed.
Guaranteed it a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Guarantee.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hope you got you had a giant gold boot.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I hope you got your Orioles futures.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, I did early in the year to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Nice, look at you and your dog. Probably didn't get
Orioles futures. That's what he's upset about. That could be.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, Well he's back asleep. We're good, just like the
Jihad next week.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Thank you.
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