October 17, 2023 • 36 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon dive into the Cowboys win on Monday night against the Chargers, where the Cowboys get the victory despite Mike McCarthy's poor clock management to end the half. The guys explain why Justin Herbert's bad night may be more about the Chargers in primetime as a team. Plus, was the officiating crew in on a fix for the Cowboys?!
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I'll tell you right now. The woman they've just showed
during the game during the cutaways, the Chargers on fourth
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down go for it deep in Cowboys territory. Well they
kind of have to at this point because they're down
by seven. Justin Herbert, who has been really inaccurate the
entire game, which we'll get to Yeah, hits Everett with
a touchdown pass. The game is now tied at seventeen
with seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But they showed a fan.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They kept going back to her wearing a Herbert jersey,
who is really intense. She's wearing glasses and she's and
she's gritting her teeth and putting her arms up almost
like she knows she's on TV, Like, hey, you look
at that DV I guarantee you she's gonna be everywhere
in the next twenty four hours. This video of her
very upset, very upset, excited, celebratory after the touchdown. Absolutely,
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she's gonna be viral. I'm already seeing pictures put up.
She's absolutely going viral. Like I can't tell you how
easy of the prediction that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, but they stayed on that shot so long. I'm
like I felt bad, Like, am I supposed to know
who she is? Like somebody's girlfriend, somebody's wife. Yeah, that's
when I first thought, like, who has that? Yeah, this
is somebody of import or is it just Hey, they've
got the fired up fan that they decided to isolate.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that's one thing I'm going, Okay, is this something,
because usually when they show a fan like that, it's
because they're famous, there's someone they're related to, someone their
friends they know.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Because it stayed there a while. Yeah, this wasn't a
hey cool fan reactions. Yeah, no, I'm i gonna tell
you for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's not Taylor Swift. I know what Taylor Swift. It's
not Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You see a Lance Bass holding up the sign not
to Taylor Swift earlier.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That was pretty No, did he really I missed that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Didn't really?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He was at Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That dude's got a great sense of humor. Man, Lance
Bass is pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's got your roll with it. It's what you got.
Good play call.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I mean the only person that got as much screen
time as that fan were the numerous shots of Kellen Moore.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, because if you had an over undred for.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
The number of times they showed him today, I think
it's about eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, you know, it's been real.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I would say of all the things we've seen tonight,
we have the Mike McCarthy blowing the the time at
the end of the first half. We have Brandon Staley
going for it when he should not have gone for
it earlier in the second half. But the biggest thing
tonight that stands out to me watching this game is
this is how I kind of expected the Cowboys to play.
I did not expect Justin Herbert to be as inaccurate
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as he has been tonight. He looks awful. Like if
you just watch this game and you didn't know anything
about Justin Herbert, you'd walk away right now going man,
if the Chargers had a better quarterback, they'd be better.
I mean, he missed Keenan Allen on a wide open
pass the middle of the field that he'd still be running.
I mean it's a seventy five yard touchdown, and he
overthrows him, not by just a couple of inches, by
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like five feet. And there's passes where he's had guys
open on outs and the ball is sailing and and
it's up in the air and it's out of bounds,
and receivers no matter how high they jump, they can't
get close to it. And the one time Quinton Johnston,
who has had a ridiculously bad rookie season, the guy
should be doing incredible things in this pass happy offense.
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He's finally opening the end zone on the third and
goal play, and he's wide open. It's like the Cowboys
decided they're not gonna throw to you're not gonna cover you.
He's wide open on the backside post from from about
eight yards out. He's in the middle of the field
with his hands up, and Herbert doesn't even look at him,
like I'm completely looking to the right. If he just
comes back a little bit, he could have walked over
and handed him the football. But he doesn't really see him.
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And and that's not a Quentin Johnson thing, because we'll
get to that after. But this has been like, this
is a game where it stuns me how inaccurate justin
Herbert has been all night tonight, and it doesn't feel
like he's he's getting close to getting it back, like
when he had that that pass for the touchdown to Everett.
I mean he's rolling out and Everett's wide open. I mean,
this is an easy six points. And I'm saying to myself,
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how does he biff this?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
How does he wonder.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
On or whatever, or he's gonna trip and fall or something,
because that's the kind of game he has had tonight.
It's stunning how poor he's played where if he has
just had an you throw the ball average tonight, they're
they're probably up by a touchdown maybe more in this game.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, just curious on a couple of d balls where
he's been off and then he had another pass on
the last possession or the possession prior that should have
been picked off. I just fell harmlessly on a third
down pass, harmlessly to the turf, But just one of
those Wow, what did he see? And then Balber was
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behind kind of drifting. I was looking for him to
make a diving attempt to catch the ball off the deflection.
But yeah, for Justin Herbert, it's been one of those
head scratchers. And I know, trying to do playfakes into
the running backs and they've had a couple of miscommunications
right where the playfake. Obviously the running back went to
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the wrong side or Herbert went to the wrong side,
whatever the case may be. But I know with the
hand injury he had the offhand that you have a
little bit of trouble. There almost a fumbled exchange early
in the game that didn't happen obviously, but when we
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look at it, that's not an excuse for your inaccuracy
getting the ball downfield. I mean it's not like they
they had to tape up your your throwing hand or
do anything to your arm there. So it's yeah, it's
been really curious for a guy that doesn't get a
lot of prime time opportunity to to wow folks because
they you know, the I've heard about this justin Herbert Guy.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Let's tune in. Yeah, and then you.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
See him sail a couple of balls over Keenan Allen's
head and even Alan's looking back like what the hell?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean it really really, I've never seen him look
like this. I've never seen him look this inaccurate, and
it's and it's with everything. It's not just well downfield,
he's not been accurate, or it's it's downfield, it's it's
over the middle, it's passes to the sideline, it's everything.
He has just looked really bad. And again, just an
average night, and the probably up by two touchdowns and
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the Cowboys are desperately trying to come back in this game.
But instead if the the main things that keep coming
back to me in this game, like if you said, hey,
what's going through your head? Chargers Cowboys? I just keep
seeing Keenan Allen and other players leaping for the ball
and it's and it's way over their head when they
have nothing but green grass around them. Because it's not
like the cow not like the cowboys are trying to
make him throw it into a tight window and he's missing. Well, right,
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you know that that's not the case. He's you know,
the guys are open, he's just missing them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But that's the thing is the offensive line for the
Chargers has done a fantastic job tonight and it's not
normally you get that level of inaccuracy. You're either going
all right, young quarterback, first time, you know, starters, guys whatever,
you know. Bagent of the Bears against Minnesota on a
few throws he made yesterday since locking for it kind
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of mocked it last hour.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'll, you know, return the blow. Here is the.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They've had clean, clean pockets, right, It's not hey, I've
got to get the ball out because I'm getting bludgeoned
and they're getting free run on me. At this point,
he hasn't been sacked, right, He's been clean and taking
his steps moving in the pocket to buy and buy
himself a little more time downfield. But it's not like
he's been under dress. And so it's just that curiosity
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of where's that hiccup in the timing of the offense?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
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now let's get to the Mike McCarthy part of what
happened at the end of the first half. Right, We've
talked about it, and look, brandis dalely going for it
on fourth down. That's gonna be a big topic of
conversation following the game. But Mike McCarthy, at the end
of the first half, Cowboys had a chance to get
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in the end zone, and in the final forty seven
seconds when they were in charges territory, the Cowboys ran
four plays. They wound up going into halftime with a
timeout left in their back pocket. They could have taken
a couple of shots at the end zone, but instead
Mike McCarthy opts to kick a field goal and not
try to go for seven. And I don't understand that.
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I don't. The only thing that comes to my mind
is that he's been watching football the last couple of weeks,
and he watched the Jets and the Giants, and he
watched the Jets against the Broncos not get a field
goal at the end of the first half because they
mistimed it. And he watched the Giants not get a
field goal at the end of the first half last
night that could have won the game for them, and
he said, I'm not letting that happen to me. No, no, no,
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I'm in here. We're in uh Chargers territory. I just
want a field goal. Yeah, we get a touch up. No,
I'm not gonna screw it up. I just want a
field goal. I mean, really, Mike McCarthy, I don't understand
that strategy. And again we brought up with Jason lock
and forth. I don't get how coaches can get in
the final two minutes of a half and be so
completely obtuse as to how to go forward. Right, you
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have enough time, you have time, you have timeouts. Let's
push the ball down the field. You why don't you
want to go for the end zone? Why are you
shooting from going for the end zone trying to score?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Do you not believe in your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
If you don't believe in your quarterback, you can throw
a touchdown in the final thirty five or forty seconds,
he shouldn't be your quarterback. So I just don't get
Sometimes coaches who have carved out great careers, just at
the end of a half, they turn into coaches where
I go, is this your first day? Did you win
a contest? You get to be the coach? Now the
final couple minutes of the half with timeouts, and you go,
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I don't know what's going on, Let's just do it
this way. Because we see it constantly with all these coaches,
Mike and and now we saw with McCarthy tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, I can refer folks back to the game. You
didn't watch the Bears and the Vikings. You've got the
rookie quarterback and inside of three minutes and you would
have thought it was the beginning of the fourth quarter
of the way they were moving up to the line
and even with the length of a football field to go,
and eventually he throws the interception to seal things. But
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it's just that the lack of urgency at times, just
in terms of getting to the line, getting the next
play call in and you've got a running clock.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The old I don't want to leave any time for
my opponent. You still need to score. And in this case,
what are you gonna leave two seconds on the clock
at most right if you run a play and score
the touchdown, instead you let the clock run down to
three and you call that last time out. It's baffling.
It truly is down in distance scenarios at the end
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of halves. And we watch it every week. And it's
not the new coaches, right because some of these guys
you can at least say, all right, they got promoted
and they'd never been a head coach. We've had that
in the past. This guy's been around a minute. He
recognized the scrutiny of what this team is and the expectations.
And then, especially coming off the loss to the forty
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nine Ers, you'd expect everything to be buttoned up to where, hey,
we're not leaving anything to chance. We're not leaving any
points on the board. And this is important in a
primetime game because the poison pens are out if you
lose to the Chargers, you know why it's a home game,
but on the roads you get. But it's it's just
the curiosity every week we watch this in the NFL.
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It's not like you've got a young quarterback, right that
you're trying to spoon feed him, right, And we see
it with CJ. Stroud and others.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They don't need it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
They go when they play Dak Prescott's supposed to be
your guy. And this again goes back to my veteran quarterbacks.
At some point you need to be able to look
over at your coach and say, blank you you're screwing
this up and I'm taking it right. I mean, look,
he gets some bit of ownership in this as well, like, wait,
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we're gonna let the clock run down, No, coach, let's
take another shot. Let's dial up a play You got
a sheet with ninety seven thousand things on there, or
the wristband with nineties out of a thousand things on there,
or the Denny's menu with Peter Griffin like so many
have put out there for all the different coaches with
their play cards. I just don't understand, right, leaving potential
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points on the board and mismanaging those situations. The number
of coaches that go into halftime with timeouts still in
their pocket in these kind of scenarios is just maddening,
because you know, the TV networks also wants you to
call timeout so they can get a couple ads in
as well. So you're not helping anybody.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Hey, do we owe half lock?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, they got three more spots that have to run,
all right, all right, all right, all right, we'll try
to get them to run a play. Look, I'm telling you.
Look my idea the off season end of half clock
Management Seminar twenty five grand a person I'm in the
last twenty four hours. I got Mike McCarthy, I got
Brian Dable, and I got to Rod Taylor. They all
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have to come now because I have to understand what
do we do at the end of a half. We
don't understand. That's okay because I will have both practical
and classroom examples of what to do when you have
certain timeouts where you could go on certain parts of
the field. We will take classes during the day and
fly combat missions at night. It's just like Top Gun.
You'll take class during the day and at night we
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go onto the field and we set up situations and
you know what kind of decisions to make. Right, it's
top Gun for clock management. And we'll do whiteboard stuff
as well. And we'll also play golf because every seminary
you gotta have to have time in for golf because
that what really gets people to come. Like I can
help people with clock management, but really, if I say
there's gonna be golf, that'll get more people who want
to come to the thing. So if I say that
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that's what it is, classroom clock management, field clock management,
and golf, I get everybody man and I you know,
I don't know that. I don't know that. I couldn't
do that full time. I get new coaches every year
that don't know what they're doing at the end of
a half. These are big name coaches.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
They guys every year. So it's great. I may never retire.
I'll be like ninety eight years old.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Going all right, here we are.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We have Peyton Manning's grandson with us. Here's what you
do at the end. I understand your dad is gonna
tell you what to do at halftime of the Manning cast,
but this is how you do things. I'll have so
many people it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No, this is good.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean, it's a franchise that keeps going just top Gun.
Now you reference evidently there's now gonna be a reality show.
This comes out of the Hollywood Reporter from earlier today,
quote Top Gun Next Generation. It'll follow a group of
actual Navy pilots as they make their way through training.
The project set to air on nat GEA, with the
release date to be announced.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Oh wait a minute, so it's it's just a documentary.
It's not like a reality show. Would I get to
be a top Gun pilot?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, no, no, that would be cool. If I liked flying,
that would be cool. I mean I would really like,
but I hate flying.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, it's a reality show that's actually real, I guess
wouldn't be a proper way to say, have you ever
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Fly a jet plane?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, get ready to fly combat missions if you get chosen,
because that's something completely Fox would do, like real life
Top Gun. Hey, you know, Jim is a forty two
year old manager at home Depot. He's always wanted to
fly chet planes. We're gonna let him do it. Why
we're not? You put him through training. Absolutely, we're gonna
give him a twenty million dollar government airplane and let
him go fly it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You can buy it on surplus.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
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Speaker 3 (16:00):
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The Cowboys with a field goal, have the lead over
the Chargers twenty to seventeen. But Justin Herbert has a
chance to put a good ending on a horrendous game
for him. The Chargers have the ball down three two
nineteen to go in the fourth quarter. Coming up next?
Are we talking about it? Incredible? Justin Herbert driving the Cowboys?
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more of the same for the Chargers? And the Cowboys
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in Los Angeles. The Cowboys walk away with a twenty
to seventeen victory over the Chargers. Justin Herbert is picked
off by Stefan Gilmour. The Chargers last gasp drive ends
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with an I int Herbert had been sacked the play
before by Micah Parsons, so it was uphill odds at
best on those last couple of plays. But Justin Herbert
puts a cherry on top of this craptastic Sunday and
the Chargers lose and the Cowboys go on to win.
And look, the Cowboys played well tonight. Right now, I
give Dak Prescott credit. He played well against the pretty
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good defense. You know, he made good decisions with the football.
He ran the football out through for one, ran for one. Look,
Dak had a good game, right, I'm not taking away
from Dak. He had a good game. Now, was he unbelievable?
Did he control the game?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But Dak played a good game, and tonight he was
the Cowboys best player. Okay, I'll give I'll give him that,
but this game tonight, the Chargers should have won this
game by ten points. Justin Herbert was so awful and
he was inaccurate, and he sailed the ball and he
missed open receivers the entire game, and it was frustrating
to watch. It was frustrating to see just hey, easy
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plays that the Chargers should make. And it's not like
the Cowboys had great coverage on the wide receivers, specifically
Keenan Allen was open a lot and still ye Allen
could have had a bigger game. And there were plays
where Justin Herbert just missed open wide receivers. We talked
about it a few minutes ago. On a big third
and eight from inside the ten yard line, Quentin Johnson,
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who could have had his big hey, hey, I'm here.
I'm actually in the NFL play where he would have
caught a touchdown pass. Justin Herbert doesn't see him. And
I don't know if he locked in on receivers too
long tonight or whatever it was, but he was just
off and it was a lot of unforced errors. He
wasn't sacked until the very end of the game. That
time he got sacked by Micah Parsons was the first
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time he got sacked all night. It's not like he
had to keep picking himself up off the ground. It
was just a bad game. And when your quarterback, when
your franchise quarterback, plays like that, it's hard to overcome it.
But when you look at why did the Cowboys win? Hey,
cowboys played fine right now. I'm sure they'll talk after
the game and say, oh, yeah, we're back, We're this.
We came in with all the emotion we had to
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win this game, and it was so excited the Chargers.
They should have won this game by ten points. And
I look at Justin Herbert and say, he really just
crushed them tonight. As good as he is, as great
a quarterback as he is, he was just that bad tonight.
Where even an average night by Herbert, And I mean it,
it's a double digit win for the Chargers in.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
This game, twenty two to thirty seven on the night
to twenty seven, two touchdowns, the pick and then that
late sack.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I have to ask this question, and I do so.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Nah, maybe both my tongue planted firmly in cheek because
I was watching it with the fellas here in the studio.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They're making us sound so pretty tonight.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Alex Tyshirt, Ryan Berschinger and Micah Parson's on the sack.
I mean, he lands on Justin Herbert, right right on
top of him. Isn't that supposed to be a penalty?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't think it should be, But if we're gonna
call it sometimes, that's one where he came right through him, right,
big hit. I think all of us that are football
watchers would agree that it shouldn't be. But in a
day and age where we see that flagged oftentimes seemed
in the moment where it's like waiting for the laundry
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to fly, that it never came, but the pockets suddenly collapsing,
and that was out a second and two with just
under two minutes remaining, so kind of the curious, Hey,
let's do a big drop back here, Not that you're
necessarily gonna you haven't run the ball particularly well at all.
Twenty three carries fifty three yards on the night, but
a second in short seemed like a quick get the
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ball out of Herbert's hands might have been the way
to go, but you get the breakthrough for Parsons to
your point, yeah, erratic all night long. There's several throws
to Keenan Allen, you could do a super cut of
those that are just easy. A couple of near misses,
you know, the old hey, the if the DBS catch
could catch kind of things, the interception total would have
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been higher. And you got a really good effort from
the Chargers defense overall. McCarthy decision making notwithstanding, you know
you did a good job. Tony Pollard average two yards
of carry effective on the pass game, but even that
was five catches for twenty yards. And then he had
one where he should have been stopped after a seven
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yard gain and instead a mistackle turned it into a
sixty yard sprint. So you did a good job of
containing them in five sacks of Prescott. He was under duress,
quite the opposite of what you saw for Herbert all night.
But they make the plays when it counts. Get the
field goal just over two minutes remaining, and the Chargers
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can't finish the job. For justin Herbert and I will
be you know, we're ahead of the curve. We always
ask it right. As much as you make on Staley
and everything else. When's Justin Herbert gonna win games in
the fourth quarter? Form?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, look, I'll answer. I'll answer your two questions in
the order you asked them. The first one was the
penalty that wasn't called Michaeh. Parsons falling on top of
Justin Herbert. You're right, it is a play that you
kind of see called. But what we have seen in
the NFL now and now that we've had enough to
look at replay and watching games, is that the best
I can say for replay is this, and you take
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this however you want. Sometimes the NFL sees a play
and just says, now, it's fine, And sometimes they do
all they can to make a decision in the review
booth that benefits a team.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Booom.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They do it all the time. That's what that's the
It's so inconsistent. It's the only consistent thing I can say.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Tweet that out with them in front of the fire.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And here's the Cowboys who are the beneficiary of that call.
If that happened the other way for the Chargers and
it was Bosa who was falling on top of Dak Prescott,
can I say for certain would have been called the
same way. I can't because the NFL called They call that.
When they decide they want to look at something and
overturn it, they do it right. Like I knew yesterday
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when the Jets were playing the Eagles and the Eagles
go for it on fourth and goal from inside the
Jets three, and he gets stopped and fumbles. Right, I
knew when they go back and look at it seeing
this play, it's okay, at what point is he down?
At what point do you rule the quarterback is down?
I get, oh, he's not technically on the ground, but
you're a quarterback now and you're protecting. There's a time
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when you're down. I'm watching this replay and we've seen
you've seen the play that Hurts gets ruled for a touchdown.
And I said, they're gonna go up and they're gonna
look at this soak. They're gonna look at this play
from a thousand different angles, and they're gonna do everything
they can to give Jalen Hurts the touchdown. Everything the
Eagles are five and zero and he's a big star.
They're gonna do everything they can to give the Eagles
a touchdown. And what happens, boom, Eagles get a touchdown,
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right all the time. It happens all the time. Right.
Let me go back to the flag with in the
Jets game against Mahomes, when the Jets pick off Mahomes
a chance to win the game. Instead, the flag is
thrown after the Jets intercept the ball. And I'm just
going off the Jets game, and I'm sure other other
fans go, yeah, I remember this one at.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
The end of the Giants Bills last night.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, right, like this team we played here, Yeah, you
can say that. That's the best thing I can say.
Sometimes when it's a call like that, Oh it looks legit, Yeah,
let it go Cowboys. Yeah, Cowboys get the sack. But
other times it's no, we need to do everything that
we can to look at this to see if it's
something we can overturn or that we absolutely need to do.
Whatever it is, We're gonna look so careful at it,
(25:14):
just to see what we can do if we can
really alter this decision from the field, and that's what happens.
That's the best thing I can I can I can
answer that about that. When you talk about Parsons sack,
if it happened versus the charge. It's the best thing
I can do.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
No, it's the curiosity, right, I mean the Darren Waller
getting grabbed, held, interfered with, and it's a no call,
and off we go into the good night. As bad
as Dable and company were managing that game. Should have
won that game, right, should have finished that game off.
You'd look at the Bears game to go back to
(25:47):
that and the Viking. There was a big play along
the sideline because we've had trouble in the NFL adjudicating
whether a foot goes out of bounds, whether a ball's
gone out of bounds before it's recovered cleanly. The Bears
in their post game explanation said, yeah, this is one
of those games where there weren't enough cameras so we
didn't have ample angles to overturn that and keep the ball.
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Huge play along the sideline that would have given them
a great field position instead, well you know, the moving on.
So to your point, I'm sure some folks are cringing
and maybe saying stop winding, Jets guy or Bears guy
or whatever, but it is something to consider. There. There
(26:30):
is a it is a business and certain outcomes and
certain discussions are good for business. And you know, yesterday
was a day where I saw, you know, Bill Krackenberger,
who does the show Countdown to kick Off here on
Sunday mornings. He goes, I don't think I've ever been
told by more people that the NFL's fixed after the
(26:53):
games from the early games of yesterday, because there was
a lot of curiosity, right, some strange result and look,
that's the NFL in a nutshell, all right. We talked
about it with Lock and for a last hour. The
only thing that's been a given road teams are in
games and home field advantages might be a myth like
a yetti and that the Unders are cashing with great regularity,
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but it means week to week we're getting some really
strange play all along, right, Cleveland, we love the defense.
Injuries to key players for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
PJ.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Walker was the quarterback. That was the guy the Bears
decided they didn't need. It's their back and he starts
for Cleveland and engineers a win. I mean, it is
a weird world out there, so yeah, I mean, have
your conspiracy theories. In the end, you got to figure
out how to prove it and have some fun with that,
and look, I just think, you know, the human element
(27:49):
comes in and there's gonna be bad calls, decisions, quick
conversations of did you see that cleanly? Because like even
the way the Chargers got the ball back to actually
punch it into the end zone right with the ever
touchdown the punt, you could say, okay, he blocked his
protector back in, but the Chargers player makes contact with
(28:10):
the returner. So why wasn't it called there? Why did
the Chargers get the ball after the ensuing scrum? It's
just curiosity to me sometimes how these are adjudicated.
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Brandon Staley, charges head coach, about hit the podium, talk
about the Chargers falling to the Cowboys twenty to seventeen,
and the Cowboys are gonna say, oh, we're so great,
we got it back. The Chargers just said, here, we
can't get it going in the clutch. We're gonna hand
you this game. You want to know why the Chargers fail? Right,
(29:16):
We talked about the penalty that could have been called
on Micah Parsons for falling on top of Justin Herbert.
But the Justin Herbert clutch gene has become a topic
of conversation, right because each three games the Charges have
loss this year, they've had a chance to win. Herbert's
had a chance to win at the end and hasn't
done it. I don't know that it's a Justin Herbert
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thing as much as it's a Chargers thing.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I want to talk about a couple of plays in
the final in the final possession for the Chargers that
illustrate why the Chargers fall short. Okay, now they get
the ball back after the Cowboys take the lead, they
have all kinds of time left to go, Right, there's
just over two minutes left and the ball they're own
twenty five yard line. They have all kinds of time, right, Okay,
(30:01):
first play is justin Herbert throwing it pass to Keenan
Allen who runs out of bounds a thirty two yard line.
Keenan Allen could have turned it up and gotten the
first down, potentially gotten the first I don't know if
you absolutely would have gotten it, but this is where hey,
it's the end of the game, dude, And and yeah,
you were just happy getting the ball and going out
of bounds. Time is not a huge factor. You want
(30:23):
to get first downs because now you're out towards midfield.
You get this first down, right, you're out towards the
forty yard life potentially probably could have gotten out there,
but instead he easily goes out of bounds. Uh, dude,
you got you gotta go for it, man, You gotta
have some kind of sense of urgency and you gotta
play smart and focused. Didn't see it on that play, right,
could have been a first down. Then you have the net.
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Then you have that play get wiped out because of
penalty on the Cowboys. So the Chargers take a first
and five. Okay, first and five second and three. All right, fine,
you know, hey, would you're in four down territory, I
would say three plays to get three yards rather than
but okay, fine, that's decide to go with Justin. Herbert
scrambles and probably could have scrambled for the first down
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without putting himself in harm's way, but he slides a
good three yard short of the first down. Dude, it's
the end of the game, man, try to go. I
get it. You don't want it, but this is the
end of the game you're trying. This is where you
go in and you dive and you hold the football
out and you find a way to do it. This
is Herbert saying, hey, we have plenty of time. We
have plenty of time. And then what happens. Micah Parson
(31:25):
sacks Justin Herbert and then he throws an interception. I
think it's more of a charger's clutch gene overall, and
Herbert being the head of the snake and being the quarterback,
he gets the lion's share of it. And yeah, he
had an awful game. And yes, you know, you look
at the clutch thing with him, and I see part
of his fault. But I just overall. Look at the
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Chargers in big moments, in big situations, and I just
don't know if they have it, Like like they fail
on fourth and one, Brandon Staley goes for it, runs
all kinds of different plays, and.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They're not good at it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They can't get a front the biggest plays of the game,
the Chargers find a way to fall short. So I
don't know that it's it's just strictly a Herbert thing.
It looks to me like it's just a Charger thing.
You know, Charger's gonna charger. You know that they have
chances to make big plays, say hey, we can make
a big play right here, and we don't for one
reason or another. Either we can't execute the play because
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because we just don't, or we decide, hey, getting a
first down is not really what I need right here.
I need to make sure that I get out of
bounds when there's two and a half minutes left to go,
and I can still get out of bounds and get
a couple more yards upfield, and maybe if it's second
and a half yard, that's the play we take and
we get a first down a little bit easier. Justin
Herbert dies for the first down, we get a first down,
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it's a little bit easier. I just don't see it
overall from the Chargers, and to kind of take a
make a take a big umbrella over the failures of
the Chargers why they fall short. I mean, that's something
that sticks out to me, especially after seeing how they
attack those big moments in the game tonight against Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Well, and we've been watching it for years and certainly
with Justin Herbert, just looking up random stats because that's
it's fun to just find randomness and games decided by
seven points or fewer, because it's one of my pet peeves.
It's not or less or fewer when we're counting. He's
(33:13):
five hundred coming into tonight, so he'll go to one
game underneath everybody's punching bag and close games in primetime.
Kirk Cousins seven games over five hundred in his career,
games decided by zero to seven points. To just show
you perception and where we go and your point on
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Alan going out of bounds, got himself towards the sideline
and I don't know if physically he just couldn't get
himself turned back in and up, but looking at this,
staying on that side of the two minute warning might
have been it before they'd get back up under center,
But either way, you just saw the excellence of execution.
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We talk about these game situations. You can't anticipate that
you're blowing everybody out. I would think in season most
of your work is done on fine tuning for situations
like this. I mean, unless I'm just wrong, which is
always possible.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But unless I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But like legitimately right, you're talking about these kind of
situations of all right, what's getting us the next best
play in? How do we execute decision making like that?
That's the point of emphasis, and particularly if you're the Chargers,
because you've done this now for multiple years under Brandon Staley.
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This is not new territory where in the final minutes
of a game you're stressing and the fundamentals that you've
been pretty good at taken care of for much of
the game suddenly go out the window. Right, It happens
too frequently to be an accident. You're just showing here's
another data point in the long Wikipedia page of inability
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to get things done in the final minutes of games
because you had chances your offensive line had done a
good job. Now, to your point from last hour, this
should have never been in doubt. You should have had
been able to pin your ears back and be rushing
Dak Prescott, who they got to five times over the
course of the night, by the way, But for Herbert
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and for the Chargers, it's just another head scratcher of
why why does this continue? And the definition of insanity
that we like to use right, the same thing over
and over and expecting different results. This is their identity
until proven otherwise. If we're predicting a close game, I'm
predicting an.
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I'll tell you right now. The woman they've just showed
during the game during the cutaways, the Chargers on fourth
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down go for it deep in Cowboys territory. Well they
kind of have to at this point because they're down
by seven. Justin Herbert, who has been really inaccurate the
entire game, which we'll get to Yeah, hits Everett with
a touchdown pass. The game is now tied at seventeen
with seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But they showed a fan.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They kept going back to her wearing a Herbert jersey,
who is really intense. She's wearing glasses and she's and
she's gritting her teeth and putting her arms up almost
like she knows she's on TV, Like, hey, you look
at that DV I guarantee you she's gonna be everywhere
in the next twenty four hours. This video of her
very upset, very upset, excited, celebratory after the touchdown. Absolutely,
(01:41):
she's gonna be viral. I'm already seeing pictures put up.
She's absolutely going viral. Like I can't tell you how
easy of the prediction that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, but they stayed on that shot so long. I'm
like I felt bad, Like, am I supposed to know
who she is? Like somebody's girlfriend, somebody's wife. Yeah, that's
when I first thought, like, who has that? Yeah, this
is somebody of import or is it just Hey, they've
got the fired up fan that they decided to isolate.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that's one thing I'm going, Okay, is this something,
because usually when they show a fan like that, it's
because they're famous, there's someone they're related to, someone their
friends they know.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Because it stayed there a while. Yeah, this wasn't a
hey cool fan reactions. Yeah, no, I'm i gonna tell
you for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's not Taylor Swift. I know what Taylor Swift. It's
not Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You see a Lance Bass holding up the sign not
to Taylor Swift earlier.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That was pretty No, did he really I missed that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Didn't really?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He was at Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That dude's got a great sense of humor. Man, Lance
Bass is pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's got your roll with it. It's what you got.
Good play call.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I mean the only person that got as much screen
time as that fan were the numerous shots of Kellen Moore.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, because if you had an over undred for.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
The number of times they showed him today, I think
it's about eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, you know, it's been real.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I would say of all the things we've seen tonight,
we have the Mike McCarthy blowing the the time at
the end of the first half. We have Brandon Staley
going for it when he should not have gone for
it earlier in the second half. But the biggest thing
tonight that stands out to me watching this game is
this is how I kind of expected the Cowboys to play.
I did not expect Justin Herbert to be as inaccurate
(03:15):
as he has been tonight. He looks awful. Like if
you just watch this game and you didn't know anything
about Justin Herbert, you'd walk away right now going man,
if the Chargers had a better quarterback, they'd be better.
I mean, he missed Keenan Allen on a wide open
pass the middle of the field that he'd still be running.
I mean it's a seventy five yard touchdown, and he
overthrows him, not by just a couple of inches, by
(03:36):
like five feet. And there's passes where he's had guys
open on outs and the ball is sailing and and
it's up in the air and it's out of bounds,
and receivers no matter how high they jump, they can't
get close to it. And the one time Quinton Johnston,
who has had a ridiculously bad rookie season, the guy
should be doing incredible things in this pass happy offense.
(03:57):
He's finally opening the end zone on the third and
goal play, and he's wide open. It's like the Cowboys
decided they're not gonna throw to you're not gonna cover you.
He's wide open on the backside post from from about
eight yards out. He's in the middle of the field
with his hands up, and Herbert doesn't even look at him,
like I'm completely looking to the right. If he just
comes back a little bit, he could have walked over
and handed him the football. But he doesn't really see him.
(04:19):
And and that's not a Quentin Johnson thing, because we'll
get to that after. But this has been like, this
is a game where it stuns me how inaccurate justin
Herbert has been all night tonight, and it doesn't feel
like he's he's getting close to getting it back, like
when he had that that pass for the touchdown to Everett.
I mean he's rolling out and Everett's wide open. I mean,
this is an easy six points. And I'm saying to myself,
(04:40):
how does he biff this?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
How does he wonder.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
On or whatever, or he's gonna trip and fall or something,
because that's the kind of game he has had tonight.
It's stunning how poor he's played where if he has
just had an you throw the ball average tonight, they're
they're probably up by a touchdown maybe more in this game.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, just curious on a couple of d balls where
he's been off and then he had another pass on
the last possession or the possession prior that should have
been picked off. I just fell harmlessly on a third
down pass, harmlessly to the turf, But just one of
those Wow, what did he see? And then Balber was
(05:19):
behind kind of drifting. I was looking for him to
make a diving attempt to catch the ball off the deflection.
But yeah, for Justin Herbert, it's been one of those
head scratchers. And I know, trying to do playfakes into
the running backs and they've had a couple of miscommunications
right where the playfake. Obviously the running back went to
(05:40):
the wrong side or Herbert went to the wrong side,
whatever the case may be. But I know with the
hand injury he had the offhand that you have a
little bit of trouble. There almost a fumbled exchange early
in the game that didn't happen obviously, but when we
(06:01):
look at it, that's not an excuse for your inaccuracy
getting the ball downfield. I mean it's not like they
they had to tape up your your throwing hand or
do anything to your arm there. So it's yeah, it's
been really curious for a guy that doesn't get a
lot of prime time opportunity to to wow folks because
they you know, the I've heard about this justin Herbert Guy.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Let's tune in. Yeah, and then you.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
See him sail a couple of balls over Keenan Allen's
head and even Alan's looking back like what the hell?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean it really really, I've never seen him look
like this. I've never seen him look this inaccurate, and
it's and it's with everything. It's not just well downfield,
he's not been accurate, or it's it's downfield, it's it's
over the middle, it's passes to the sideline, it's everything.
He has just looked really bad. And again, just an
average night, and the probably up by two touchdowns and
(06:53):
the Cowboys are desperately trying to come back in this game.
But instead if the the main things that keep coming
back to me in this game, like if you said, hey,
what's going through your head? Chargers Cowboys? I just keep
seeing Keenan Allen and other players leaping for the ball
and it's and it's way over their head when they
have nothing but green grass around them. Because it's not
like the cow not like the cowboys are trying to
make him throw it into a tight window and he's missing. Well, right,
(07:16):
you know that that's not the case. He's you know,
the guys are open, he's just missing them.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But that's the thing is the offensive line for the
Chargers has done a fantastic job tonight and it's not
normally you get that level of inaccuracy. You're either going
all right, young quarterback, first time, you know, starters, guys whatever,
you know. Bagent of the Bears against Minnesota on a
few throws he made yesterday since locking for it kind
(07:42):
of mocked it last hour.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'll, you know, return the blow. Here is the.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They've had clean, clean pockets, right, It's not hey, I've
got to get the ball out because I'm getting bludgeoned
and they're getting free run on me. At this point,
he hasn't been sacked, right, He's been clean and taking
his steps moving in the pocket to buy and buy
himself a little more time downfield. But it's not like
he's been under dress. And so it's just that curiosity
(08:12):
of where's that hiccup in the timing of the offense?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Twitter? How about a fresca? Mike get swollen down the
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmon. And
now let's get to the Mike McCarthy part of what
happened at the end of the first half. Right, We've
talked about it, and look, brandis dalely going for it
on fourth down. That's gonna be a big topic of
conversation following the game. But Mike McCarthy, at the end
of the first half, Cowboys had a chance to get
(08:38):
in the end zone, and in the final forty seven
seconds when they were in charges territory, the Cowboys ran
four plays. They wound up going into halftime with a
timeout left in their back pocket. They could have taken
a couple of shots at the end zone, but instead
Mike McCarthy opts to kick a field goal and not
try to go for seven. And I don't understand that.
(09:01):
I don't. The only thing that comes to my mind
is that he's been watching football the last couple of weeks,
and he watched the Jets and the Giants, and he
watched the Jets against the Broncos not get a field
goal at the end of the first half because they
mistimed it. And he watched the Giants not get a
field goal at the end of the first half last
night that could have won the game for them, and
he said, I'm not letting that happen to me. No, no, no,
(09:22):
I'm in here. We're in uh Chargers territory. I just
want a field goal. Yeah, we get a touch up. No,
I'm not gonna screw it up. I just want a
field goal. I mean, really, Mike McCarthy, I don't understand
that strategy. And again we brought up with Jason lock
and forth. I don't get how coaches can get in
the final two minutes of a half and be so
completely obtuse as to how to go forward. Right, you
(09:47):
have enough time, you have time, you have timeouts. Let's
push the ball down the field. You why don't you
want to go for the end zone? Why are you
shooting from going for the end zone trying to score?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Do you not believe in your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
If you don't believe in your quarterback, you can throw
a touchdown in the final thirty five or forty seconds,
he shouldn't be your quarterback. So I just don't get
Sometimes coaches who have carved out great careers, just at
the end of a half, they turn into coaches where
I go, is this your first day? Did you win
a contest? You get to be the coach? Now the
final couple minutes of the half with timeouts, and you go,
(10:18):
I don't know what's going on, Let's just do it
this way. Because we see it constantly with all these coaches,
Mike and and now we saw with McCarthy tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, I can refer folks back to the game. You
didn't watch the Bears and the Vikings. You've got the
rookie quarterback and inside of three minutes and you would
have thought it was the beginning of the fourth quarter
of the way they were moving up to the line
and even with the length of a football field to go,
and eventually he throws the interception to seal things. But
(10:45):
it's just that the lack of urgency at times, just
in terms of getting to the line, getting the next
play call in and you've got a running clock.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The old I don't want to leave any time for
my opponent. You still need to score. And in this case,
what are you gonna leave two seconds on the clock
at most right if you run a play and score
the touchdown, instead you let the clock run down to
three and you call that last time out. It's baffling.
It truly is down in distance scenarios at the end
(11:18):
of halves. And we watch it every week. And it's
not the new coaches, right because some of these guys
you can at least say, all right, they got promoted
and they'd never been a head coach. We've had that
in the past. This guy's been around a minute. He
recognized the scrutiny of what this team is and the expectations.
And then, especially coming off the loss to the forty
(11:41):
nine Ers, you'd expect everything to be buttoned up to where, hey,
we're not leaving anything to chance. We're not leaving any
points on the board. And this is important in a
primetime game because the poison pens are out if you
lose to the Chargers, you know why it's a home game,
but on the roads you get. But it's it's just
the curiosity every week we watch this in the NFL.
(12:05):
It's not like you've got a young quarterback, right that
you're trying to spoon feed him, right, And we see
it with CJ. Stroud and others.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They don't need it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
They go when they play Dak Prescott's supposed to be
your guy. And this again goes back to my veteran quarterbacks.
At some point you need to be able to look
over at your coach and say, blank you you're screwing
this up and I'm taking it right. I mean, look,
he gets some bit of ownership in this as well, like, wait,
(12:35):
we're gonna let the clock run down, No, coach, let's
take another shot. Let's dial up a play You got
a sheet with ninety seven thousand things on there, or
the wristband with nineties out of a thousand things on there,
or the Denny's menu with Peter Griffin like so many
have put out there for all the different coaches with
their play cards. I just don't understand, right, leaving potential
(13:00):
points on the board and mismanaging those situations. The number
of coaches that go into halftime with timeouts still in
their pocket in these kind of scenarios is just maddening,
because you know, the TV networks also wants you to
call timeout so they can get a couple ads in
as well. So you're not helping anybody.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Hey, do we owe half lock?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, they got three more spots that have to run,
all right, all right, all right, all right, we'll try
to get them to run a play. Look, I'm telling you.
Look my idea the off season end of half clock
Management Seminar twenty five grand a person I'm in the
last twenty four hours. I got Mike McCarthy, I got
Brian Dable, and I got to Rod Taylor. They all
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have to come now because I have to understand what
do we do at the end of a half. We
don't understand. That's okay because I will have both practical
and classroom examples of what to do when you have
certain timeouts where you could go on certain parts of
the field. We will take classes during the day and
fly combat missions at night. It's just like Top Gun.
You'll take class during the day and at night we
(14:01):
go onto the field and we set up situations and
you know what kind of decisions to make. Right, it's
top Gun for clock management. And we'll do whiteboard stuff
as well. And we'll also play golf because every seminary
you gotta have to have time in for golf because
that what really gets people to come. Like I can
help people with clock management, but really, if I say
there's gonna be golf, that'll get more people who want
to come to the thing. So if I say that
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that's what it is, classroom clock management, field clock management,
and golf, I get everybody man and I you know,
I don't know that. I don't know that. I couldn't
do that full time. I get new coaches every year
that don't know what they're doing at the end of
a half. These are big name coaches.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
They guys every year. So it's great. I may never retire.
I'll be like ninety eight years old.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Going all right, here we are.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
We have Peyton Manning's grandson with us. Here's what you
do at the end. I understand your dad is gonna
tell you what to do at halftime of the Manning cast,
but this is how you do things. I'll have so
many people it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No, this is good.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean, it's a franchise that keeps going just top Gun.
Now you reference evidently there's now gonna be a reality show.
This comes out of the Hollywood Reporter from earlier today,
quote Top Gun Next Generation. It'll follow a group of
actual Navy pilots as they make their way through training.
The project set to air on nat GEA, with the
release date to be announced.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Oh wait a minute, so it's it's just a documentary.
It's not like a reality show. Would I get to
be a top Gun pilot?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, no, no, that would be cool. If I liked flying,
that would be cool. I mean I would really like,
but I hate flying.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, it's a reality show that's actually real, I guess
wouldn't be a proper way to say, have you ever
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Fly a jet plane?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, get ready to fly combat missions if you get chosen,
because that's something completely Fox would do, like real life
Top Gun. Hey, you know, Jim is a forty two
year old manager at home Depot. He's always wanted to
fly chet planes. We're gonna let him do it. Why
we're not? You put him through training. Absolutely, we're gonna
give him a twenty million dollar government airplane and let
him go fly it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You can buy it on surplus.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Twitter.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It out about a Fresco.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
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The Cowboys with a field goal, have the lead over
the Chargers twenty to seventeen. But Justin Herbert has a
chance to put a good ending on a horrendous game
for him. The Chargers have the ball down three two
nineteen to go in the fourth quarter. Coming up next?
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in Los Angeles. The Cowboys walk away with a twenty
to seventeen victory over the Chargers. Justin Herbert is picked
off by Stefan Gilmour. The Chargers last gasp drive ends
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with an I int Herbert had been sacked the play
before by Micah Parsons, so it was uphill odds at
best on those last couple of plays. But Justin Herbert
puts a cherry on top of this craptastic Sunday and
the Chargers lose and the Cowboys go on to win.
And look, the Cowboys played well tonight. Right now, I
give Dak Prescott credit. He played well against the pretty
(18:14):
good defense. You know, he made good decisions with the football.
He ran the football out through for one, ran for one. Look,
Dak had a good game, right, I'm not taking away
from Dak. He had a good game. Now, was he unbelievable?
Did he control the game?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But Dak played a good game, and tonight he was
the Cowboys best player. Okay, I'll give I'll give him that,
but this game tonight, the Chargers should have won this
game by ten points. Justin Herbert was so awful and
he was inaccurate, and he sailed the ball and he
missed open receivers the entire game, and it was frustrating
to watch. It was frustrating to see just hey, easy
(18:51):
plays that the Chargers should make. And it's not like
the Cowboys had great coverage on the wide receivers, specifically
Keenan Allen was open a lot and still ye Allen
could have had a bigger game. And there were plays
where Justin Herbert just missed open wide receivers. We talked
about it a few minutes ago. On a big third
and eight from inside the ten yard line, Quentin Johnson,
(19:13):
who could have had his big hey, hey, I'm here.
I'm actually in the NFL play where he would have
caught a touchdown pass. Justin Herbert doesn't see him. And
I don't know if he locked in on receivers too
long tonight or whatever it was, but he was just
off and it was a lot of unforced errors. He
wasn't sacked until the very end of the game. That
time he got sacked by Micah Parsons was the first
(19:34):
time he got sacked all night. It's not like he
had to keep picking himself up off the ground. It
was just a bad game. And when your quarterback, when
your franchise quarterback, plays like that, it's hard to overcome it.
But when you look at why did the Cowboys win? Hey,
cowboys played fine right now. I'm sure they'll talk after
the game and say, oh, yeah, we're back, We're this.
We came in with all the emotion we had to
(19:54):
win this game, and it was so excited the Chargers.
They should have won this game by ten points. And
I look at Justin Herbert and say, he really just
crushed them tonight. As good as he is, as great
a quarterback as he is, he was just that bad tonight.
Where even an average night by Herbert, And I mean it,
it's a double digit win for the Chargers in.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
This game, twenty two to thirty seven on the night
to twenty seven, two touchdowns, the pick and then that
late sack.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I have to ask this question, and I do so.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Nah, maybe both my tongue planted firmly in cheek because
I was watching it with the fellas here in the studio.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They're making us sound so pretty tonight.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Alex Tyshirt, Ryan Berschinger and Micah Parson's on the sack.
I mean, he lands on Justin Herbert, right right on
top of him. Isn't that supposed to be a penalty?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't think it should be, But if we're gonna
call it sometimes, that's one where he came right through him, right,
big hit. I think all of us that are football
watchers would agree that it shouldn't be. But in a
day and age where we see that flagged oftentimes seemed
in the moment where it's like waiting for the laundry
(21:00):
to fly, that it never came, but the pockets suddenly collapsing,
and that was out a second and two with just
under two minutes remaining, so kind of the curious, Hey,
let's do a big drop back here, Not that you're
necessarily gonna you haven't run the ball particularly well at all.
Twenty three carries fifty three yards on the night, but
a second in short seemed like a quick get the
(21:23):
ball out of Herbert's hands might have been the way
to go, but you get the breakthrough for Parsons to
your point, yeah, erratic all night long. There's several throws
to Keenan Allen, you could do a super cut of
those that are just easy. A couple of near misses,
you know, the old hey, the if the DBS catch
could catch kind of things, the interception total would have
(21:46):
been higher. And you got a really good effort from
the Chargers defense overall. McCarthy decision making notwithstanding, you know
you did a good job. Tony Pollard average two yards
of carry effective on the pass game, but even that
was five catches for twenty yards. And then he had
one where he should have been stopped after a seven
(22:08):
yard gain and instead a mistackle turned it into a
sixty yard sprint. So you did a good job of
containing them in five sacks of Prescott. He was under duress,
quite the opposite of what you saw for Herbert all night.
But they make the plays when it counts. Get the
field goal just over two minutes remaining, and the Chargers
(22:30):
can't finish the job. For justin Herbert and I will
be you know, we're ahead of the curve. We always
ask it right. As much as you make on Staley
and everything else. When's Justin Herbert gonna win games in
the fourth quarter? Form?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, look, I'll answer. I'll answer your two questions in
the order you asked them. The first one was the
penalty that wasn't called Michaeh. Parsons falling on top of
Justin Herbert. You're right, it is a play that you
kind of see called. But what we have seen in
the NFL now and now that we've had enough to
look at replay and watching games, is that the best
I can say for replay is this, and you take
(23:04):
this however you want. Sometimes the NFL sees a play
and just says, now, it's fine, And sometimes they do
all they can to make a decision in the review
booth that benefits a team.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Booom.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They do it all the time. That's what that's the
It's so inconsistent. It's the only consistent thing I can say.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Tweet that out with them in front of the fire.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And here's the Cowboys who are the beneficiary of that call.
If that happened the other way for the Chargers and
it was Bosa who was falling on top of Dak Prescott,
can I say for certain would have been called the
same way. I can't because the NFL called They call that.
When they decide they want to look at something and
overturn it, they do it right. Like I knew yesterday
(23:49):
when the Jets were playing the Eagles and the Eagles
go for it on fourth and goal from inside the
Jets three, and he gets stopped and fumbles. Right, I
knew when they go back and look at it seeing
this play, it's okay, at what point is he down?
At what point do you rule the quarterback is down?
I get, oh, he's not technically on the ground, but
you're a quarterback now and you're protecting. There's a time
(24:10):
when you're down. I'm watching this replay and we've seen
you've seen the play that Hurts gets ruled for a touchdown.
And I said, they're gonna go up and they're gonna
look at this soak. They're gonna look at this play
from a thousand different angles, and they're gonna do everything
they can to give Jalen Hurts the touchdown. Everything the
Eagles are five and zero and he's a big star.
They're gonna do everything they can to give the Eagles
a touchdown. And what happens, boom, Eagles get a touchdown,
(24:33):
right all the time. It happens all the time. Right.
Let me go back to the flag with in the
Jets game against Mahomes, when the Jets pick off Mahomes
a chance to win the game. Instead, the flag is
thrown after the Jets intercept the ball. And I'm just
going off the Jets game, and I'm sure other other
fans go, yeah, I remember this one at.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
The end of the Giants Bills last night.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, right, like this team we played here, Yeah, you
can say that. That's the best thing I can say.
Sometimes when it's a call like that, Oh it looks legit, Yeah,
let it go Cowboys. Yeah, Cowboys get the sack. But
other times it's no, we need to do everything that
we can to look at this to see if it's
something we can overturn or that we absolutely need to do.
Whatever it is, We're gonna look so careful at it,
(25:14):
just to see what we can do if we can
really alter this decision from the field, and that's what happens.
That's the best thing I can I can I can
answer that about that. When you talk about Parsons sack,
if it happened versus the charge. It's the best thing
I can do.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
No, it's the curiosity, right, I mean the Darren Waller
getting grabbed, held, interfered with, and it's a no call,
and off we go into the good night. As bad
as Dable and company were managing that game. Should have
won that game, right, should have finished that game off.
You'd look at the Bears game to go back to
(25:47):
that and the Viking. There was a big play along
the sideline because we've had trouble in the NFL adjudicating
whether a foot goes out of bounds, whether a ball's
gone out of bounds before it's recovered cleanly. The Bears
in their post game explanation said, yeah, this is one
of those games where there weren't enough cameras so we
didn't have ample angles to overturn that and keep the ball.
(26:10):
Huge play along the sideline that would have given them
a great field position instead, well you know, the moving on.
So to your point, I'm sure some folks are cringing
and maybe saying stop winding, Jets guy or Bears guy
or whatever, but it is something to consider. There. There
(26:30):
is a it is a business and certain outcomes and
certain discussions are good for business. And you know, yesterday
was a day where I saw, you know, Bill Krackenberger,
who does the show Countdown to kick Off here on
Sunday mornings. He goes, I don't think I've ever been
told by more people that the NFL's fixed after the
(26:53):
games from the early games of yesterday, because there was
a lot of curiosity, right, some strange result and look,
that's the NFL in a nutshell, all right. We talked
about it with Lock and for a last hour. The
only thing that's been a given road teams are in
games and home field advantages might be a myth like
a yetti and that the Unders are cashing with great regularity,
(27:17):
but it means week to week we're getting some really
strange play all along, right, Cleveland, we love the defense.
Injuries to key players for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
PJ.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Walker was the quarterback. That was the guy the Bears
decided they didn't need. It's their back and he starts
for Cleveland and engineers a win. I mean, it is
a weird world out there, so yeah, I mean, have
your conspiracy theories. In the end, you got to figure
out how to prove it and have some fun with that,
and look, I just think, you know, the human element
(27:49):
comes in and there's gonna be bad calls, decisions, quick
conversations of did you see that cleanly? Because like even
the way the Chargers got the ball back to actually
punch it into the end zone right with the ever
touchdown the punt, you could say, okay, he blocked his
protector back in, but the Chargers player makes contact with
(28:10):
the returner. So why wasn't it called there? Why did
the Chargers get the ball after the ensuing scrum? It's
just curiosity to me sometimes how these are adjudicated.
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Brandon Staley, charges head coach, about hit the podium, talk
about the Chargers falling to the Cowboys twenty to seventeen,
and the Cowboys are gonna say, oh, we're so great,
we got it back. The Chargers just said, here, we
can't get it going in the clutch. We're gonna hand
you this game. You want to know why the Chargers fail? Right,
(29:16):
We talked about the penalty that could have been called
on Micah Parsons for falling on top of Justin Herbert.
But the Justin Herbert clutch gene has become a topic
of conversation, right because each three games the Charges have
loss this year, they've had a chance to win. Herbert's
had a chance to win at the end and hasn't
done it. I don't know that it's a Justin Herbert
(29:37):
thing as much as it's a Chargers thing.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I want to talk about a couple of plays in
the final in the final possession for the Chargers that
illustrate why the Chargers fall short. Okay, now they get
the ball back after the Cowboys take the lead, they
have all kinds of time left to go, Right, there's
just over two minutes left and the ball they're own
twenty five yard line. They have all kinds of time, right, Okay,
(30:01):
first play is justin Herbert throwing it pass to Keenan
Allen who runs out of bounds a thirty two yard line.
Keenan Allen could have turned it up and gotten the
first down, potentially gotten the first I don't know if
you absolutely would have gotten it, but this is where hey,
it's the end of the game, dude, And and yeah,
you were just happy getting the ball and going out
of bounds. Time is not a huge factor. You want
(30:23):
to get first downs because now you're out towards midfield.
You get this first down, right, you're out towards the
forty yard life potentially probably could have gotten out there,
but instead he easily goes out of bounds. Uh, dude,
you got you gotta go for it, man, You gotta
have some kind of sense of urgency and you gotta
play smart and focused. Didn't see it on that play, right,
could have been a first down. Then you have the net.
(30:44):
Then you have that play get wiped out because of
penalty on the Cowboys. So the Chargers take a first
and five. Okay, first and five second and three. All right, fine,
you know, hey, would you're in four down territory, I
would say three plays to get three yards rather than
but okay, fine, that's decide to go with Justin. Herbert
scrambles and probably could have scrambled for the first down
(31:05):
without putting himself in harm's way, but he slides a
good three yard short of the first down. Dude, it's
the end of the game, man, try to go. I
get it. You don't want it, but this is the
end of the game you're trying. This is where you
go in and you dive and you hold the football
out and you find a way to do it. This
is Herbert saying, hey, we have plenty of time. We
have plenty of time. And then what happens. Micah Parson
(31:25):
sacks Justin Herbert and then he throws an interception. I
think it's more of a charger's clutch gene overall, and
Herbert being the head of the snake and being the quarterback,
he gets the lion's share of it. And yeah, he
had an awful game. And yes, you know, you look
at the clutch thing with him, and I see part
of his fault. But I just overall. Look at the
(31:45):
Chargers in big moments, in big situations, and I just
don't know if they have it, Like like they fail
on fourth and one, Brandon Staley goes for it, runs
all kinds of different plays, and.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They're not good at it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They can't get a front the biggest plays of the game,
the Chargers find a way to fall short. So I
don't know that it's it's just strictly a Herbert thing.
It looks to me like it's just a Charger thing.
You know, Charger's gonna charger. You know that they have
chances to make big plays, say hey, we can make
a big play right here, and we don't for one
reason or another. Either we can't execute the play because
(32:16):
because we just don't, or we decide, hey, getting a
first down is not really what I need right here.
I need to make sure that I get out of
bounds when there's two and a half minutes left to go,
and I can still get out of bounds and get
a couple more yards upfield, and maybe if it's second
and a half yard, that's the play we take and
we get a first down a little bit easier. Justin
Herbert dies for the first down, we get a first down,
(32:36):
it's a little bit easier. I just don't see it
overall from the Chargers, and to kind of take a
make a take a big umbrella over the failures of
the Chargers why they fall short. I mean, that's something
that sticks out to me, especially after seeing how they
attack those big moments in the game tonight against Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Well, and we've been watching it for years and certainly
with Justin Herbert, just looking up random stats because that's
it's fun to just find randomness and games decided by
seven points or fewer, because it's one of my pet peeves.
It's not or less or fewer when we're counting. He's
(33:13):
five hundred coming into tonight, so he'll go to one
game underneath everybody's punching bag and close games in primetime.
Kirk Cousins seven games over five hundred in his career,
games decided by zero to seven points. To just show
you perception and where we go and your point on
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Alan going out of bounds, got himself towards the sideline
and I don't know if physically he just couldn't get
himself turned back in and up, but looking at this,
staying on that side of the two minute warning might
have been it before they'd get back up under center,
But either way, you just saw the excellence of execution.
(33:54):
We talk about these game situations. You can't anticipate that
you're blowing everybody out. I would think in season most
of your work is done on fine tuning for situations
like this. I mean, unless I'm just wrong, which is
always possible.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But unless I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But like legitimately right, you're talking about these kind of
situations of all right, what's getting us the next best
play in? How do we execute decision making like that?
That's the point of emphasis, and particularly if you're the Chargers,
because you've done this now for multiple years under Brandon Staley.
(34:37):
This is not new territory where in the final minutes
of a game you're stressing and the fundamentals that you've
been pretty good at taken care of for much of
the game suddenly go out the window. Right, It happens
too frequently to be an accident. You're just showing here's
another data point in the long Wikipedia page of inability
(34:59):
to get things done in the final minutes of games
because you had chances your offensive line had done a
good job. Now, to your point from last hour, this
should have never been in doubt. You should have had
been able to pin your ears back and be rushing
Dak Prescott, who they got to five times over the
course of the night, by the way, But for Herbert
(35:22):
and for the Chargers, it's just another head scratcher of
why why does this continue? And the definition of insanity
that we like to use right, the same thing over
and over and expecting different results. This is their identity
until proven otherwise. If we're predicting a close game, I'm
predicting an.
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the tush push works for the Eagles but not for
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