October 19, 2023 • 41 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger update Game 3 of the ALCS between the Astros and Rangers. The guys get into Week 7 of the National Football League. And many Chicago Bears legends say they'd rather keep Justin Fields than draft Caleb Williams.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Greetings and welcome in a beautiful Wednesday night.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We're already midway through the week.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
No Smith tonight called out ill, perhaps seeing on the
extra sandwich got him so in instead, our guy Rich
Ornberger climbs into the seat. What's going on, buddy, I
see you lean and mean you're taking over?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know I had to do something.
I was up there and I don't even want to
say and goof around and Sarah was like near my
playing weight, like legitimate. I was a double bacon cheeseburger
away from putting my hand in the dirt to make
a living again, and so I had to make a change.
Lost a couple LB's. But the voice is strong. Happy
(01:11):
to be with you sounded good.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I mean, look, you could go justin Q straight from
the couch.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
That's right, straight, Yeah, the Actually, you know what, the
giants need my help. I gotta go, Mikey.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you know, it's one of the topics we will
talk about over the course of the night here Rich,
as we we look at the first third of the season,
a big bye week for a lot of teams, and
that evaluation period, everybody doing the old Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
I'm like, what about those other guys. Those other guys
are pretty good, dude, And well we'll see some floating
(01:42):
around as it were, you know, is for these teams,
and sometimes it's the you're not tanking, Remember your team could.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just be bad.
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Speaker 4 (02:03):
Buying should be.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You hear Rich on the weekend countdown to kick off
and just dominating there and then he torments Steve Hartman
for several hours as part of Red Zone Radio, so
all of that good stuff. And during the week San
Diego seven sixty taking up residence on Collin's couch. I mean,
he's everywhere. He's a renaissance man who loves to cook
(02:25):
with a flamethrower. We're happy to have him in as
part of our extended family on the show. Here tonight,
we've got baseball going on rich the Astros trying to
fight back into this series five to two. As we're
into the top of the seventh with one out, we
saw a home run robbed the playoff heroics of Jordan Alvarez.
(02:47):
We had Taveres leap back to the wall, one of
those great moments to get the blood pumping and wondering
if it can carry over to get the Rangers offense
alive here. They did actually get a couple of off
Christian Xavier. You know, I think I had to rub
my eyes because he's been so dominant as a postseason
pitcher for them. That they actually were able to strike
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a blow to the heart of the Houston Ace was
a bit of a surprise. But on the other side,
it was more Max Scherzer and just trying to eke
out as many outs as they could before giving way
to the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Tonight, they just kind of
had the ranger starter number.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And on the other side, the fact that they were
able to get to Avier and get him off the
mound before we got to the late innings was probably
a benefit if there's going to be a comeback at all.
But five to two, I'm happy to see that score.
As much as many people are probably sick and tired
of the Astros based off the win in twenty seventeen
and the revelatory moment Baseball had with the technology and
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the sign stealing and the fact that the Astros with
the heart of all that, I.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Don't I don't, I kind of. I'm not saying I
discount that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I'm not saying that it doesn't bother me that there's
cheating in sport, because I do think you need to
have regulatory and competition delegations and you need to have
those discussions too. But I'm a forgiven for get guy.
You know what I mean? That this team is different.
(04:22):
I know some of the star players are still left
over from that roster. I understand that there's familiar faces,
but there's been a lot of turnover and many of
the Astros players who are representing this team in the
NLCS had nothing to do with any of that. I
want this to be a series. I didn't want to
see the Rangers sweep this thing, the Phillies sweep this thing.
So hopefully the Astros can hang on and at very
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least make the Championship Series on the American side interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, always trying to stretch it out, right, I mean,
you play at one hundred and sixty two to get
to the playoffs, and then we see sweeps all over
the place, and certainly where I'm broadcasting from up here
in Los Angeles. You know, the Astros. There's always going
to be adjective some that we can say on the Raiders, right,
and sometimes you know, you just go straight to the nound.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, you don't need the just see you are
what you are.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I got a friend of mine walking around with an
Astros hat, and you know, go, ah, you know what,
get back at the series, get the trash cans. The
response was, wait, didn't you guys start this like what
you want to go back to nineteen nineteen? They were
throwing it because they were mad at the guy not
paying them enough money. You're friends with a guy that
wears an Astro hat. Yeah, it's a woman that wears
(05:36):
an Astros hat. No, yeah, big, big sports fan. Very
excited about c J. Stroud, even though he's had no
offensive line. See offensive line is going to be the
theme of the show, Rich because we may have to
bulk you up and get you back out for some
of these teams as we've flowed through. But to your point, yeah,
that's the worst of it, right. You grind all through
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the regular season and then you have these playoff walkovers.
Now there's some enjoyment for me on the National League
side because normally Smith in the chair being a Mets
fan watching anybody from the NL East go romping stomping
all the way through. Especially I mean, come on, the
look at the guys from the Phillies, because that not great.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, well the Phillies.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I mean it's kind of I guess, rinse and repeat
from last year. They were a ball club that struggled
in the regular season. Last year, made a change and
then got hot at the right time, and the postseason
they were able to the bats really were able to
take over. And this year the bats have stayed loud,
I mean, making quick work of the Braves. Obviously this
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series so far, they're two games away from their next
World Series bid. We got Game three coming up tomorrow.
That's gonna be in Arizona. The past two nights have
been you know, the Schwarber and the Harper Fest, and
it's it's been a love fest for Bryce. I think
(07:05):
that little that little uh uh whatever you want to say,
tip of the cat to the fans in Philadelphia talking
about the blue collar workers and you know, the the
the hardworking people of Philadelphia. Like he he evoked Rocky,
you know what I mean, Like he he put on
the uh, he put on the the the the bowler hat,
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the leather bowler hat, and he told Mick to cut him.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
It was it was incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
First thing. Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know, you can buy the replica of the Rocky
hat from the Sylvester Stallone's shop.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So if you want to go down, I have a
Thunderlips cape that I wear from time to time.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
He's I mean, is that going to be a part
of the Halloween costume this year?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well yeah, it could be. It's it's more, you know,
when you go to Vegas and you want to fit in, I.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Want you to go full like Lucha Lebra with the
thunderlips Cape. I want you to just mash cultures and
and movies together.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I yes, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Figure if I get lean and mean before super Bowl
week in Vegas, I can wear the singlet, grow out
a fou manchew, and we can get after it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Oh sweet God, please, I'm walking around Radio Row.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, if I get into good piecent enough shape, we
can go out there and just be tag team Park.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That's it, some random off the strip wrestling joints. Well,
if nothing else, we can dominate the microphone. I don't
know that my shoulders or knees are holding up for
much of anything at this point, but tell me that
would not be entertaining. And you know what it's all about,
going viral and finding those eyeballs.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I don't care where they're coming from there that you know.
The more the merrier as you get into that process
talking about guy.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Who's cooking with a flamethrower for clicks.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
No, what's it, right?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I mean, I think we're going to start the foodie
and random pop culture podcast. You and I just yelling
at each other in our respective backyards. But back to
the task. In baseball, you're brought up the Houston Astros
and just the hate ability that remains, and Frostburg chiming
in with his cheaters excitement. But it still is there, right,
(09:12):
Even if you change out a couple of the principles
and most of them are gone, right, Dusty Baker's now
there and everything else, it doesn't wash it away because
nobody got punished right from a player's side now. And
you can tell me about the executives and whatever all
you want, I don't care about that. We've had plenty
(09:32):
of scandals that have gone without much punishment. Remember there
was a big thing about stealing scouting reports and minor
league data from from the Cardinals that you know, everybody
just kind of shrugged. I don't know if it's because
they didn't understand it or because it's the Cardinals. And
you can't question the sanctity of the smartest baseball fans
(09:56):
that there are, or at least that's what they're gonna
tell you that they are. But it goes down and
down the flow because you got to have a villain, yeah, right,
and right now, the Yankees aren't hateable unless you're of
a certain age, right, because they've been irrelevant for most
of the last two decades.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So you need a villain. And right now the Houston
Astros are it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And and and you know what, as villainI says, the
Yankees were it was just because of success. I think
this is I think this is a little bit more
warranted if we're going to scale it against you know,
just being pissed at the Golden State Warriors for being
good all the time, or the Yankees for being good
all the time, or the Patriots for two decades of dominance.
(10:39):
Like now, don't get me wrong, the Patriots were painted
several times.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They've got a couple of things there that.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
You know, cheter Bro, the deflight Gate, the spy Gate,
that were things.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The flight Gate's the dumbest thing in the history of man.
Let's let's call it what it is. You want you
want to get into spygate and what was you know,
within the rules, what was hazy and the gray area whatever?
We could talk about that to flight gate. Have you
seen any reports on the inflation of footballs ever since?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
No, I not think anybody's really given a damn.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And then also the science behind it didn't add up all.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
It was all very farcical.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
But back to the point at hand, you know, So
the Houston Astros, there's a little bit more warranted strain
over seeing them constantly in the postseason. But let's recount
what we saw, right. So we found out that there
was potential that they were stealing signs back in twenty seventeen,
(11:34):
and that report was released. What twenty nineteen twenty twenty season,
I remember was either right before the pandemic or in
the heat of the pandemic where they started sending out
memos across the league.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
So at very least.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
You can count the World Series win as potentially tainted
and the ALCS run the year after.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
That as tainted.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But I mean the next World Series loss, are we
gonna include that? The next Championship Series run after that was?
Was that also tainted? Because I'm pretty sure that ALCS
run happened after the memo was sent out and the
punishments were handed down because I was Dusty Baker's first
year on the job. You know, the return to the
World Series the next season, Are we gonna include that
(12:18):
in it? You know, the World Series win, you know,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They're all wearing the same cap rich, so yeah, it
but it's off fruit of the poisonous tree.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I just I get it. I get it. They bit
the apple and that's the original sin.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But are we going to I mean, this has been
nearly now a decade of success for the Houston Astros.
I understand, I understand it started with cheating. I understand
access my ass Rich, But what I'm saying is at
some point, at some point, we either have to forget
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it happened or we're just going to admonish the franchise forever.
I mean, like it's so many of the faces. Honestly,
the only person you can point to who who reminds
you of the scandal still is Altuve.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, what's funny, right, because you go back through the annals,
you also had the Red Sox and what we had
was going on there and at the risk of having
something thrown at me from behind the glass. Notice Bookie
Bets doesn't hit in the playoffs anymore. Oh see what
I did there? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I know, yeah, Elliotts, we gotta we got to hit
our first commercial banker.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
There you go, Alvarez with a base hit, uh playing
another run the Astros Uh going congo line. At this point,
he played a two on that, so it's even shortened
up the swing. He's Rich Hornberger And for Jason Smith,
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Speaker 5 (16:08):
Right, this might be foreshadowing. I feel a Raiders turnaround
in the very near future.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I hope you're not giving that advice on countdown to
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Speaker 4 (16:22):
I'm fade Nornberger.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I'm pretty sure I took the under the win total
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Speaker 6 (16:34):
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Speaker 4 (16:39):
Front and center for him. Good job by him.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Seventy to sixty nine your final They win the series
three games to one over the New York Liberty so
title town in mid October, and all sorts of stuff
going on in Vegas, no question about it. We're also
watching the Alcs Texas up two games to none in
the series. But looks like he Houston, I'm gonna draw
one here on the road unless we get a bit
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of a rally here to two hours. Frostberg has been
banging a trash can ceremoniously for a while. Just uh,
he's not Yeah, no, well it's it's an October rite
of passage because the hard part again, Rich, I mean
he's he's still wearing his Dodger hat. He can't let
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it go right right now. Me, I never get to October,
so it really doesn't matter. I mean, my football team
barely got to October.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
There you got a Paul Knerko statue, I do I do.
I get to go celebrate that whenever I go home.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I got that, And they got the Bain statue and
the Frank Thomas statue going back, you know, all the
greatness that they gave me, so many memories. Paul Konerko,
who at one point Frostburg would track him down for
a birthday message and he recorded at the end of it,
he just said, uh, never never call me again.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, I'll lose my numbers, said Rich, Yeah, please never
never show up on my phone speed dial ever again.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So guess what I do daily. I text him everybody.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Just give him a howdy from uh from La. I'm
sure he loves it. I'm sure he loves well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I just said I don't do media, and then guess what,
he became a member of the media. We got a
tighter ball game, though, now you got it within a slam.
As Young goes deep with a two run homer, no
leaping against the wall, do rob him of this one?
So seven four now two outs bottom seven? Hey, the
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old ed Farmer rule from White Sox broadcasts pass Just
keep it within a slam.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I dig that a lot, and listen. If there's ever
been a time where that's more likely than now, you
you could name it. I can't, because I mean the
way home runs are hit in the modern game, I
mean really over the past decade, but especially hyper focusing
on the past five years. Oh, I mean, you can't
count a three run lead as safe launch shot.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, once you start getting into the bullpen. And that's
why Javier, even though I mean he got five and
two thirds, did get tagged for the two runs, but
he departs and whenever you start getting into the bullpen,
odd things can happen. Right, all you need, especially now
you're you're mixing and matching, pulling the strings. Now, that
was the one part of things that did go right
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for the Dodgers in their postseason series, no matter what
they pulled out after Amachian. Obviously in Game one the
bullpen was nails. But for a lot of squads, I
don't know, you add up, you know, the which guy's
not feeling comfortable on a given night, where's the game
gonna get too big? Just got to give yourself a
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puncher's chance. So the opportunity now sitting there for the
Rangers as we flow through. But we talk about offense
and you get into the idea of home run, the
three outcome baseball that we're trying to push back from,
and there was some success to that this year, rich
with teams generating some runs, some guys actually stealing bases
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time and again. But while we do and acknowledge, you know,
still the big fly rules the day over in the
National Football League, a lot of handwringing through the first
six weeks of this season because if you just bet
straight unders, your cash and tickets at a crazy pace.
This last week twelve two to one. If you bet
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nothing but.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Unders yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And that's what we're seeing all over the place. And
I think I start with it going back to offensive
line play before I get to anything else. Find me
a team that's got five guys that know each other.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
No, you can't, I mean that is, and you know
your your lips to God's ears. As a former offensive lineman,
we're seeing some of the worst offensive line play in
the league for a variety of reasons. One, like you said,
I think in many cases there have been a tremendous
amount of turmoil and injury too. There's been a high
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rate of turnover at the offensive line position over the years.
I think in general, a lot of guys are tapping
out earlier in their career. They don't want to extend
and play beyond eight or ten or twelve years. Like
we saw a lot of you know, a lot of
those iron horses up front on the O lines who
sort of anchored units for a decade plus. That those
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days are quickly coming to an end as people are
more aware of head trauma and things like that. And yeah,
I also think that there's a youth movement in the
NFL to get cheaper at a lot of different positions
in the offensive line, and some of these quick strike
you know, widespread out offenses is a little bit more
of an afterthought minus the bookends.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
You'll pay tackles a lot of times.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Occasionally there'll be a center that will sign a big contract,
but guards are you know, worrisomely underpaid. And really, when
you look at it, it's backed up by the stats.
What you said about under hitting. Okay, so average points
per game weeks one through six is down tremendously since
twenty twenty. So was fifty point eight back in twenty twenty,
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it's forty three point four and twenty twenty three. Okay,
how about this passing touchdowns through one eight excuse me,
one hundred eighty six games played back in twenty eighteen,
three hundred and twenty eight passing touchdowns by this point
this year two hundred forty five, so a drop of
over twenty five percent. I mean, it goes on and
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on and on. Every virtually every single measurable metric that
proves that offense is better years ago. They're all down.
Explosive plays down significantly, sack rate on dropbacks, it's it's
up significantly. So offenses aren't catching up to the edge
rushers that are being provided defensively, so it's slowing down
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offensive play. We're in, you are supposed to be in
the age of the quarterback. Where's all the great quarterback play?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, but that's the larger thing, and we'll get into
that a little bit. And you had a fun game
fun with numbers of rank them or rate them is
probably the more appropriate term to use there. But when
we watch it week to week, I mean, you're in
here with Steve Hartman, I do the preview with Bucky
Brooks and Andy Furman and we go through it every week.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
How many of these.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Guys do you really trust in every phase, like the quarterback,
that the line is going to hold up? And you
look at twenty eighteen is interesting to me cause it's
kind of like I always looked at baseball in nineteen
eighty seven. If you go back and look at the
statistics of nineteen eighty seven, Now that's not put in
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with the steroid era. It's always just been theorized that
there was something different with the baseballs, where they were
shipped from and manufactured, all of those things, how they
were wound all those Because you go back and Tony
Gwinn and Wade Bogs hit twenty four home runs that year. Yeah, right,
nineteen eighty seven was the year that the ball was
flying everywhere. Twenty eighteen seems to be that year. That
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in two thousand and four are the two in the
last two decades where if you go and look at
the production of quarterbacks, it is just off the charts,
scoring everywhere. And given the amount of complaining and scrutiny
we do about bad penalties downfield and everything else, Rich,
that's where the lack of scoring is surprising. Yeah, how
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many times did you say there's a forty yard pass
interference penalty? Did you really touch them? But there's the penalty,
and then we're settling for field goals because you got
guys holding on to the ball too long, no separation
down low all.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
And throwing the fact that these quarterbacks are young, lots
of them, lots of them young, inexperienced. If they're not young,
you know, haven't played a lot of you know, league
level defenses. So what happens is the processing speed slows down.
You have a brain drain in the league. When Drew
Breese retires and Ben Roethlisberger retires, and Philip Rivers retires,
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and Matt Ryan's now a commentator, and Russell Wilson's falling
off a legend, Aaron Rodgers got an achilles injury. I mean,
I can go on and on. We've seen so many
of the old heads at the quarterback position leave at
the processing speed, the amount of running memory right that's
happening at the quarterback position has precipitously declined. And so
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what do they do. It's red zone. They're looking at
one read or two reads and then they're patting the
ball or they're running out trying to extend play and
they're getting sacked. Man, they're taking bad sacks in the
red zone. You know they're taking bad plays. You know
you have Tarrod Taylor on Primetime Football alerting out of
a pass play with no timeouts left and handing it
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off to Saquon Barkley on a bum leg and rooting
an opportunity for the Giants to.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Score before half. It's bad, men.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
You have a lot of inexperienced quarterbacks making a lot
of inexperienced quarterbacks mistakes, and as a result, we're seeing
a huge decline in points being scored.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
It's funny you bring up that end of half situation
from the Giants, a game that they actually played well
in right right, played well enough to be in played
well right. They They've been bludgeoned every other week. They've
been the topic of many, many discussions. That offensive line
has been skewered. Neil fighting with the fans, fighting with
(26:23):
radio hosts all the way through Barkley obviously missing a
few games. Daniel Jones has been a pinata back there.
I mean, you add all of that together, you finally
have an opportunity to go make some magic against one
of the leagues at least we think they are better
teams in the Buffalo Bills. And you get that, and
then we get that book ended with the what should
(26:46):
have been a penalty on the hold or interference whatever
you want to call there with Darren Waller, who was finally,
you know, making his presence felt in a big moment. So,
like all of that just goes to say, it's the
National Football League through six weeks and many If Elvis
was around, he would have shot many a television.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
And then crushed a couple of PB and banana sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You're telling me you haven't done so in the middle
of the night. Of course I have, and some PBRs.
I'll tell you what that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, I tell you right now if you've never By
the way, just a quick pro tip for anybody out
there who wants to make a quick peanut butter and
banana sandwich. Use a hot dog bun, Throw the banana
on the hot dog bun, slather it with peanut butter.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
You'll thank me later.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Well, Frostburg and I at the same time at each
other's like, I really think he's pulling out the flamethrower.
You want the proper char on your banana. You're damn right,
your wife take out any extra insurance policies at this point, well.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Not that I'm aware of, at least at least on
your home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a feeling there
are They're on me.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's rich Ord Berger in for Jason Smith. Just get
warmed up here Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harmon
Live from your tirerac dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios,
and now Budding Star on the Horizon. She's got an
update and I'm sure some stats from the ACES win.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Maybe she made some money on it. I don't know.
It's Monte Milanos. What's going on, Manti.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I did not lose money today, No, no, no, I should.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Win because you've got a big grin on your face.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I do.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
It was such a good game and it went down
to the final seconds.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Steward with good draws, the double plainy to the.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Corner banderslop no.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
That is an unforgettable finish to game four, A resilient
conclusion to a remarkable season for the Lost Dakas Aces.
And for the first time it's twenty years good Wunba
(29:02):
has a pack two pack champion.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
That's right, Aces Radio Network guys. Literally the final score
seventy to sixty nine. Liberty were up and down. It
was such an exciting game. Aces without two of their starters,
but they were led by Asia Wilson, who ended with
twenty four points sixteen rebounds. She was the MVP of
the finals. The Liberty Breonna Stewart, she struggled three of
(29:27):
seventeen from the field ten points, fourteen rebounds, and again
they lost by just one. Great effort by the Las
Vegas Aces, and they had a bunch of celebrities in there.
Jason Sedakis was there. There you go, I want that
Wnba sweatshirt. I didn't like the orange one. He's weighing
like a like a turquoise one.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
My dad went to high school with his dad. Really.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, that's a fun for.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Those Chicago guys. You know they went cin every Yeah, yeah,
you gotta love that.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
And then Darren Waller was there to see his wife
Kelsey Plump play for the Aces, so he was there
as well.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
We still I got baseball going on.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Josh Young doing everything he can for the Rangers. He
is homered twice to run homers, so all four runs
for the Rangers have come from Young. But the Astros
responded Jeremy Penya with an RBI single actually, no, a
run run single actually. So the Astros are up on
the Rangers eight four, top of the eighth Inny. But
(30:22):
we can't be that surprise, right. We had to expect
the Astros. We're gonna come back here.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
There it is there is.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
That's how I know. You don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
How I know if Frostburg is in or not is
if I hear things in.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
The background that suck.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yo.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If I hear any of that, I know Frostburg is
in studio.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, I mean we like to create what is either
a bar scenario, in stadium scenario, you've come and crashed
my house to take my food and beer scenario.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I mean, whatever the case is, yeah, but it's together.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It is a gathering. I like that.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Guys in the NFL, a couple of quarterbacks do not
practice today, like Jimmy Garoppolo of the Raiders, Deshaun Watson
of the Browns.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
He is day to day and Bears quarterback Justin Fields,
who's dealing with the right thumb.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
He is doubtful for Week seven.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Demante Smith also didn't practice today
because of a hamstring injury, and as expected, the Colts
announced that rookie quarterback Anthony Richardson will be having season
ending shoulder surgery. And in the NBA, James Harden, still
acting a full didn't go.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
To practice today. The seventy six ers don't know why.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Apparently he hasn't been with the team since Sunday, currently
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
But they're waiting. They're gonna wait to see what the.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
Reason is before they decide on their punishment. Because that
makes sense.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Sure right now? Well said something else to do?
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I know that's such a good answer. That was the
best answer.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
I mean it was dead pan, just like, hey, yeah,
I mean, what right, what do you do at that point?
Speaker 7 (31:57):
What do you do at that point?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Back to you guys, you hunt.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
This suppression just will not stand. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
He was hanging out in Houston instead of being with
his teams in practice at Monte malanyas where you find
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why don't we go back and talk a little Bears football?
Only because the future has been preordained by many, but
(32:46):
a lot of Bears legends and maybe I use that
term a little loosely, are saying, well why why? We'll
ask that question, as Shatner did so often on Star Trek.
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coming up in about ten minutes, we'll start getting into
our good, bad, the ugly through six weeks of your
National Football League. Why because we like metal stands, but
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(34:02):
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I C. Now everybody gets into this run through six weeks.
Now you're trying to jockey for position, as it were,
at least that's how some in local media markets would
have you. In some national pundits of well, you know,
now it's the tank time. It's like normally this would
be a little bit orarly. There's some reports from your
(34:49):
former team, the Patriots, with their extensive injury report this week,
that you know, some in the front offices would love
to see the losses continue to pile up so you
actually can go and make a run at one of
these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
In Chicago, it was presumed that this was the case,
even though you have justin fields And what's been interesting,
rich In, I'm convinced most folks have never watched a
full Bears game and certainly there have been some embarrassing
clips coming out about their offensive line from this last
weekend's game against Minnesota, where I defy you to tell
me who they were attempting to block in the schemes.
(35:30):
White hair is the guy who's been the main culprit.
But it's been an epidemic there for going on six weeks.
Not to say that Fields doesn't hold the ball too
long at times, et cetera. But there's just the start
back in Chicago, because look, let's face it, if you
played for the squad, someone's gonna have you on their
radio show or television show. So you've got a lot
(35:52):
of former Bears coming out going, Wait, I'm gonna get
rid of Justin Fields to bring in Caleb Williams. You're
at astute observer of the human condition and football acumen.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I mean, Justin.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fields where he's at at this point, and what we've
got a body of work to Caleb Williams compare contrast.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Other than him being younger.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Well, and that's the whole crux of the story here,
Justin Fields, we've learned that is he look, is he
a standout amongst his peers in the NFL at the
quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
No, not by any measure. But can he play at
this level?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, I don't know if he's necessarily a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Hope.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I hope he turns into one, because, like we were
talking about earlier, with some of the depressed offensive numbers
we've seen over the past bunch of years in the NFL,
I think a lot of that has to do with
players like Justin Field's young quarterbacks taking in the draft
not developing either quickly enough or injuries getting the way
of developing quickly enough and having a hard time playing
(36:59):
at this level. So, you know, focusing on him in exchange,
you know, via Trader. Otherwise for Caleb Williams, if this
team really does hit the skids this season, you're gonna
be doing this all over again with another quarterback who's
unproven at this level.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
So it could go gangbusters.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
And you could have a Justin Herbert on your hand,
who it feels like, in spite of bad coaching, you know,
he can deliver some wins, or you could end up
with a Johnny man Zep well maybe not quite as
bad as a Johnny Manzil. Because there was some writing
on the wall when he left A and M in
the first place. But you could have a bust, you
could have a Tim Tebow. It happens, you know, you
(37:40):
could have amazing college quarterbacks get to the NFL and
really really struggle.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
We've seen it before.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
We've seen locks people who have been regarded as the
lock of the century, the Lock of the decade, the
lock of you name the amount of time struggle, and
that could be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I'm not necessarily counting on it.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
You know, there have been people talking about this kid
for a very long time, and I respect the opinions
of many who say that he is as NFL ready
a quarterback as they've seen in a long time. But
as we know, as you progress to this next level,
I mean, there's no fair dodging anymore.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It ain't college football, and.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Guys get found out and so you're gonna you're gonna
change out justin fields for another unproven commodity at the
NFL level.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's not going to guarantee better results.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, I think that's the thing that's been the most
confusing for me. Right whenever we do these generational can't
miss whatever, it's like with a lot of the players
Williams in particular at USC, the offensive firepower that is there,
and we can go player to player and go through
history with it. You know, the difference in the separation
(38:52):
that your receivers have playing for a USC or go
back to in certain big time college program here is
so much different than the NFL, right in terms of
squeezing the ball into a receiver who's maybe not gaining
that level of separation, which is when you start getting
into the analysis dissection of say Brock Purdy and guys
(39:16):
like that that came from you know, places where he
had to make plays right, right, And it takes nothing
away from the stats and the physical aptitude and nobilities
of Caleb Williams. It just you know, we we try
to go through this and we see every snap and
try to go with the fine tooth comb and so
for for justin fields, it's kind of like those guys
(39:38):
that were part of the Jets and these others, like
how much of it is just organizational that you don't
know what to do with a guy rather than just saying, hey,
go out there and throw the ball out there and
do some great things well.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And we're talking about potentially if an organization brings in
a Caleb Williams, you're also assuming they're going to bring
in a brand new head coach, and so potentially another
untested quantity at the front of the organization, potentially almost
guaranteed a new offensive coordinator with that new head coach,
or potentially an offensive head coach who's gonna call his
(40:12):
own plays. I mean, for as much blame as you
want to lay at the feet of Justin Fields, does
Luke Getze get none?
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Does?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Does the struggles the offense have had are none of
them blamed on the offensive line? Like, there's a lot
more symptoms to the overall illness of the Chicago Bears
than just poor quarterback play, which I'll admit at times
it's Justin Field's fault to sure, sure, but I wouldn't
I wouldn't label him as the only symptom.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, on the the blame pie, I mean, he certainly
gets a pretty good helping as we get towards our
holiday season, holiday, holiday holiday, But the idea that there's
not a bunch of other things. I still want to
know what happened to the old defensive coordinator? Yeah, yeah, disappeared.
Nobody said a word about it.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
All of a sudden, was it like that'd be I
rted this house? And then everybody goes, no, no, they didn't.
And then they went, yeah, but he's got to go.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
He's done. And then they went okay, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, now they've hired a defensive advisor. It's just a weird,
weird place. Rich Ewenberger in for Jason Smith tonight and
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Greetings and welcome in a beautiful Wednesday night.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We're already midway through the week.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
No Smith tonight called out ill, perhaps seeing on the
extra sandwich got him so in instead, our guy Rich
Ornberger climbs into the seat. What's going on, buddy, I
see you lean and mean you're taking over?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know I had to do something.
I was up there and I don't even want to
say and goof around and Sarah was like near my
playing weight, like legitimate. I was a double bacon cheeseburger
away from putting my hand in the dirt to make
a living again, and so I had to make a change.
Lost a couple LB's. But the voice is strong. Happy
(01:11):
to be with you sounded good.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I mean, look, you could go justin Q straight from
the couch.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
That's right, straight, Yeah, the Actually, you know what, the
giants need my help. I gotta go, Mikey.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you know, it's one of the topics we will
talk about over the course of the night here Rich,
as we we look at the first third of the season,
a big bye week for a lot of teams, and
that evaluation period, everybody doing the old Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
I'm like, what about those other guys. Those other guys
are pretty good, dude, And well we'll see some floating
(01:42):
around as it were, you know, is for these teams,
and sometimes it's the you're not tanking, Remember your team could.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just be bad.
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Buying should be.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You hear Rich on the weekend countdown to kick off
and just dominating there and then he torments Steve Hartman
for several hours as part of Red Zone Radio, so
all of that good stuff. And during the week San
Diego seven sixty taking up residence on Collin's couch. I mean,
he's everywhere. He's a renaissance man who loves to cook
(02:25):
with a flamethrower. We're happy to have him in as
part of our extended family on the show. Here tonight,
we've got baseball going on rich the Astros trying to
fight back into this series five to two. As we're
into the top of the seventh with one out, we
saw a home run robbed the playoff heroics of Jordan Alvarez.
(02:47):
We had Taveres leap back to the wall, one of
those great moments to get the blood pumping and wondering
if it can carry over to get the Rangers offense
alive here. They did actually get a couple of off
Christian Xavier. You know, I think I had to rub
my eyes because he's been so dominant as a postseason
pitcher for them. That they actually were able to strike
(03:09):
a blow to the heart of the Houston Ace was
a bit of a surprise. But on the other side,
it was more Max Scherzer and just trying to eke
out as many outs as they could before giving way
to the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Tonight, they just kind of
had the ranger starter number.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And on the other side, the fact that they were
able to get to Avier and get him off the
mound before we got to the late innings was probably
a benefit if there's going to be a comeback at all.
But five to two, I'm happy to see that score.
As much as many people are probably sick and tired
of the Astros based off the win in twenty seventeen
and the revelatory moment Baseball had with the technology and
(03:52):
the sign stealing and the fact that the Astros with
the heart of all that, I.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Don't I don't, I kind of. I'm not saying I
discount that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I'm not saying that it doesn't bother me that there's
cheating in sport, because I do think you need to
have regulatory and competition delegations and you need to have
those discussions too. But I'm a forgiven for get guy.
You know what I mean? That this team is different.
(04:22):
I know some of the star players are still left
over from that roster. I understand that there's familiar faces,
but there's been a lot of turnover and many of
the Astros players who are representing this team in the
NLCS had nothing to do with any of that. I
want this to be a series. I didn't want to
see the Rangers sweep this thing, the Phillies sweep this thing.
So hopefully the Astros can hang on and at very
(04:43):
least make the Championship Series on the American side interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, always trying to stretch it out, right, I mean,
you play at one hundred and sixty two to get
to the playoffs, and then we see sweeps all over
the place, and certainly where I'm broadcasting from up here
in Los Angeles. You know, the Astros. There's always going
to be adjective some that we can say on the Raiders, right,
and sometimes you know, you just go straight to the nound.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, you don't need the just see you are
what you are.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I got a friend of mine walking around with an
Astros hat, and you know, go, ah, you know what,
get back at the series, get the trash cans. The
response was, wait, didn't you guys start this like what
you want to go back to nineteen nineteen? They were
throwing it because they were mad at the guy not
paying them enough money. You're friends with a guy that
wears an Astro hat. Yeah, it's a woman that wears
(05:36):
an Astros hat. No, yeah, big, big sports fan. Very
excited about c J. Stroud, even though he's had no
offensive line. See offensive line is going to be the
theme of the show, Rich because we may have to
bulk you up and get you back out for some
of these teams as we've flowed through. But to your point, yeah,
that's the worst of it, right. You grind all through
(05:58):
the regular season and then you have these playoff walkovers.
Now there's some enjoyment for me on the National League
side because normally Smith in the chair being a Mets
fan watching anybody from the NL East go romping stomping
all the way through. Especially I mean, come on, the
look at the guys from the Phillies, because that not great.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, well the Phillies.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I mean it's kind of I guess, rinse and repeat
from last year. They were a ball club that struggled
in the regular season. Last year, made a change and
then got hot at the right time, and the postseason
they were able to the bats really were able to
take over. And this year the bats have stayed loud,
I mean, making quick work of the Braves. Obviously this
(06:44):
series so far, they're two games away from their next
World Series bid. We got Game three coming up tomorrow.
That's gonna be in Arizona. The past two nights have
been you know, the Schwarber and the Harper Fest, and
it's it's been a love fest for Bryce. I think
(07:05):
that little that little uh uh whatever you want to say,
tip of the cat to the fans in Philadelphia talking
about the blue collar workers and you know, the the
the hardworking people of Philadelphia. Like he he evoked Rocky,
you know what I mean, Like he he put on
the uh, he put on the the the the bowler hat,
(07:25):
the leather bowler hat, and he told Mick to cut him.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
It was it was incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
First thing. Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know, you can buy the replica of the Rocky
hat from the Sylvester Stallone's shop.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So if you want to go down, I have a
Thunderlips cape that I wear from time to time.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
He's I mean, is that going to be a part
of the Halloween costume this year?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well yeah, it could be. It's it's more, you know,
when you go to Vegas and you want to fit in, I.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Want you to go full like Lucha Lebra with the
thunderlips Cape. I want you to just mash cultures and
and movies together.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I yes, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Figure if I get lean and mean before super Bowl
week in Vegas, I can wear the singlet, grow out
a fou manchew, and we can get after it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Oh sweet God, please, I'm walking around Radio Row.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, if I get into good piecent enough shape, we
can go out there and just be tag team Park.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That's it, some random off the strip wrestling joints. Well,
if nothing else, we can dominate the microphone. I don't
know that my shoulders or knees are holding up for
much of anything at this point, but tell me that
would not be entertaining. And you know what it's all about,
going viral and finding those eyeballs.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I don't care where they're coming from there that you know.
The more the merrier as you get into that process
talking about guy.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Who's cooking with a flamethrower for clicks.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
No, what's it, right?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I mean, I think we're going to start the foodie
and random pop culture podcast. You and I just yelling
at each other in our respective backyards. But back to
the task. In baseball, you're brought up the Houston Astros
and just the hate ability that remains, and Frostburg chiming
in with his cheaters excitement. But it still is there, right,
(09:12):
Even if you change out a couple of the principles
and most of them are gone, right, Dusty Baker's now
there and everything else, it doesn't wash it away because
nobody got punished right from a player's side now. And
you can tell me about the executives and whatever all
you want, I don't care about that. We've had plenty
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of scandals that have gone without much punishment. Remember there
was a big thing about stealing scouting reports and minor
league data from from the Cardinals that you know, everybody
just kind of shrugged. I don't know if it's because
they didn't understand it or because it's the Cardinals. And
you can't question the sanctity of the smartest baseball fans
(09:56):
that there are, or at least that's what they're gonna
tell you that they are. But it goes down and
down the flow because you got to have a villain, yeah, right,
and right now, the Yankees aren't hateable unless you're of
a certain age, right, because they've been irrelevant for most
of the last two decades.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So you need a villain. And right now the Houston
Astros are it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And and and you know what, as villainI says, the
Yankees were it was just because of success. I think
this is I think this is a little bit more
warranted if we're going to scale it against you know,
just being pissed at the Golden State Warriors for being
good all the time, or the Yankees for being good
all the time, or the Patriots for two decades of dominance.
(10:39):
Like now, don't get me wrong, the Patriots were painted
several times.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
They've got a couple of things there that.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
You know, cheter Bro, the deflight Gate, the spy Gate,
that were things.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The flight Gate's the dumbest thing in the history of man.
Let's let's call it what it is. You want you
want to get into spygate and what was you know,
within the rules, what was hazy and the gray area whatever?
We could talk about that to flight gate. Have you
seen any reports on the inflation of footballs ever since?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
No, I not think anybody's really given a damn.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And then also the science behind it didn't add up all.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
It was all very farcical.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
But back to the point at hand, you know, So
the Houston Astros, there's a little bit more warranted strain
over seeing them constantly in the postseason. But let's recount
what we saw, right. So we found out that there
was potential that they were stealing signs back in twenty seventeen,
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and that report was released. What twenty nineteen twenty twenty season,
I remember was either right before the pandemic or in
the heat of the pandemic where they started sending out
memos across the league.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
So at very least.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
You can count the World Series win as potentially tainted
and the ALCS run the year after.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
That as tainted.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But I mean the next World Series loss, are we
gonna include that? The next Championship Series run after that was?
Was that also tainted? Because I'm pretty sure that ALCS
run happened after the memo was sent out and the
punishments were handed down because I was Dusty Baker's first
year on the job. You know, the return to the
World Series the next season, Are we gonna include that
(12:18):
in it? You know, the World Series win, you know,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They're all wearing the same cap rich, so yeah, it
but it's off fruit of the poisonous tree.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I just I get it. I get it. They bit
the apple and that's the original sin.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But are we going to I mean, this has been
nearly now a decade of success for the Houston Astros.
I understand, I understand it started with cheating. I understand
access my ass Rich, But what I'm saying is at
some point, at some point, we either have to forget
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it happened or we're just going to admonish the franchise forever.
I mean, like it's so many of the faces. Honestly,
the only person you can point to who who reminds
you of the scandal still is Altuve.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, what's funny, right, because you go back through the annals,
you also had the Red Sox and what we had
was going on there and at the risk of having
something thrown at me from behind the glass. Notice Bookie
Bets doesn't hit in the playoffs anymore. Oh see what
I did there? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I know, yeah, Elliotts, we gotta we got to hit
our first commercial banker.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
There you go, Alvarez with a base hit, uh playing
another run the Astros Uh going congo line. At this point,
he played a two on that, so it's even shortened
up the swing. He's Rich Hornberger And for Jason Smith,
I'm Mike Karma at the Jason Smith Show with me
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And coming up next, we'll start our first run into
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Speaker 3 (15:14):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon. No Jason Smith Tonight out ill so
good thoughts to him at how About a Fresco Our?
Buddy rich Hornberger steps into his role tonight at Rich
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Speaker 4 (15:55):
And we've got a champion.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Look as there's Mark Davis alaet the Las Vegas Aces
are your w NBA champions and Mark Davis he gets
to taste victory. Rich Hornberger, that's.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Right, this might be foreshadowing. I feel a Raiders turnaround
in the very near future.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I hope you're not giving that advice on countdown to
kicked Off on the weekends.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I'm fade Nornberger.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
I'm pretty sure I took the under the win total
at the window preseason, and I'm feeling pretty good about
it right around these times.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
But yeah, Mark Davis and the Bowl cut, how about that?
Gonna be able to lift a trophy.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Front and center for him. Good job by him.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Seventy to sixty nine your final They win the series
three games to one over the New York Liberty so
title town in mid October, and all sorts of stuff
going on in Vegas, no question about it. We're also
watching the Alcs Texas up two games to none in
the series. But looks like he Houston, I'm gonna draw
one here on the road unless we get a bit
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of a rally here to two hours. Frostberg has been
banging a trash can ceremoniously for a while. Just uh,
he's not Yeah, no, well it's it's an October rite
of passage because the hard part again, Rich, I mean
he's he's still wearing his Dodger hat. He can't let
(17:25):
it go right right now. Me, I never get to October,
so it really doesn't matter. I mean, my football team
barely got to October.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
There you got a Paul Knerko statue, I do I do.
I get to go celebrate that whenever I go home.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I got that, And they got the Bain statue and
the Frank Thomas statue going back, you know, all the
greatness that they gave me, so many memories. Paul Konerko,
who at one point Frostburg would track him down for
a birthday message and he recorded at the end of it,
he just said, uh, never never call me again.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, I'll lose my numbers, said Rich, Yeah, please never
never show up on my phone speed dial ever again.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So guess what I do daily. I text him everybody.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Just give him a howdy from uh from La. I'm
sure he loves it. I'm sure he loves well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I just said I don't do media, and then guess what,
he became a member of the media. We got a
tighter ball game, though, now you got it within a slam.
As Young goes deep with a two run homer, no
leaping against the wall, do rob him of this one?
So seven four now two outs bottom seven? Hey, the
(18:36):
old ed Farmer rule from White Sox broadcasts pass Just
keep it within a slam.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I dig that a lot, and listen. If there's ever
been a time where that's more likely than now, you
you could name it. I can't, because I mean the
way home runs are hit in the modern game, I
mean really over the past decade, but especially hyper focusing
on the past five years. Oh, I mean, you can't
count a three run lead as safe launch shot.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, once you start getting into the bullpen. And that's
why Javier, even though I mean he got five and
two thirds, did get tagged for the two runs, but
he departs and whenever you start getting into the bullpen,
odd things can happen. Right, all you need, especially now
you're you're mixing and matching, pulling the strings. Now, that
was the one part of things that did go right
(19:27):
for the Dodgers in their postseason series, no matter what
they pulled out after Amachian. Obviously in Game one the
bullpen was nails. But for a lot of squads, I
don't know, you add up, you know, the which guy's
not feeling comfortable on a given night, where's the game
gonna get too big? Just got to give yourself a
(19:47):
puncher's chance. So the opportunity now sitting there for the
Rangers as we flow through. But we talk about offense
and you get into the idea of home run, the
three outcome baseball that we're trying to push back from,
and there was some success to that this year, rich
with teams generating some runs, some guys actually stealing bases
(20:08):
time and again. But while we do and acknowledge, you know,
still the big fly rules the day over in the
National Football League, a lot of handwringing through the first
six weeks of this season because if you just bet
straight unders, your cash and tickets at a crazy pace.
This last week twelve two to one. If you bet
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nothing but.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Unders yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And that's what we're seeing all over the place. And
I think I start with it going back to offensive
line play before I get to anything else. Find me
a team that's got five guys that know each other.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
No, you can't, I mean that is, and you know
your your lips to God's ears. As a former offensive lineman,
we're seeing some of the worst offensive line play in
the league for a variety of reasons. One, like you said,
I think in many cases there have been a tremendous
amount of turmoil and injury too. There's been a high
(21:02):
rate of turnover at the offensive line position over the years.
I think in general, a lot of guys are tapping
out earlier in their career. They don't want to extend
and play beyond eight or ten or twelve years. Like
we saw a lot of you know, a lot of
those iron horses up front on the O lines who
sort of anchored units for a decade plus. That those
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days are quickly coming to an end as people are
more aware of head trauma and things like that. And yeah,
I also think that there's a youth movement in the
NFL to get cheaper at a lot of different positions
in the offensive line, and some of these quick strike
you know, widespread out offenses is a little bit more
of an afterthought minus the bookends.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
You'll pay tackles a lot of times.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Occasionally there'll be a center that will sign a big contract,
but guards are you know, worrisomely underpaid. And really, when
you look at it, it's backed up by the stats.
What you said about under hitting. Okay, so average points
per game weeks one through six is down tremendously since
twenty twenty. So was fifty point eight back in twenty twenty,
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it's forty three point four and twenty twenty three. Okay,
how about this passing touchdowns through one eight excuse me,
one hundred eighty six games played back in twenty eighteen,
three hundred and twenty eight passing touchdowns by this point
this year two hundred forty five, so a drop of
over twenty five percent. I mean, it goes on and
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on and on. Every virtually every single measurable metric that
proves that offense is better years ago. They're all down.
Explosive plays down significantly, sack rate on dropbacks, it's it's
up significantly. So offenses aren't catching up to the edge
rushers that are being provided defensively, so it's slowing down
(22:58):
offensive play. We're in, you are supposed to be in
the age of the quarterback. Where's all the great quarterback play?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, but that's the larger thing, and we'll get into
that a little bit. And you had a fun game
fun with numbers of rank them or rate them is
probably the more appropriate term to use there. But when
we watch it week to week, I mean, you're in
here with Steve Hartman, I do the preview with Bucky
Brooks and Andy Furman and we go through it every week.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
How many of these.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Guys do you really trust in every phase, like the quarterback,
that the line is going to hold up? And you
look at twenty eighteen is interesting to me cause it's
kind of like I always looked at baseball in nineteen
eighty seven. If you go back and look at the
statistics of nineteen eighty seven, Now that's not put in
(23:46):
with the steroid era. It's always just been theorized that
there was something different with the baseballs, where they were
shipped from and manufactured, all of those things, how they
were wound all those Because you go back and Tony
Gwinn and Wade Bogs hit twenty four home runs that year. Yeah, right,
nineteen eighty seven was the year that the ball was
flying everywhere. Twenty eighteen seems to be that year. That
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in two thousand and four are the two in the
last two decades where if you go and look at
the production of quarterbacks, it is just off the charts,
scoring everywhere. And given the amount of complaining and scrutiny
we do about bad penalties downfield and everything else, Rich,
that's where the lack of scoring is surprising. Yeah, how
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many times did you say there's a forty yard pass
interference penalty? Did you really touch them? But there's the penalty,
and then we're settling for field goals because you got
guys holding on to the ball too long, no separation
down low all.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
And throwing the fact that these quarterbacks are young, lots
of them, lots of them young, inexperienced. If they're not young,
you know, haven't played a lot of you know, league
level defenses. So what happens is the processing speed slows down.
You have a brain drain in the league. When Drew
Breese retires and Ben Roethlisberger retires, and Philip Rivers retires,
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and Matt Ryan's now a commentator, and Russell Wilson's falling
off a legend, Aaron Rodgers got an achilles injury. I mean,
I can go on and on. We've seen so many
of the old heads at the quarterback position leave at
the processing speed, the amount of running memory right that's
happening at the quarterback position has precipitously declined. And so
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what do they do. It's red zone. They're looking at
one read or two reads and then they're patting the
ball or they're running out trying to extend play and
they're getting sacked. Man, they're taking bad sacks in the
red zone. You know they're taking bad plays. You know
you have Tarrod Taylor on Primetime Football alerting out of
a pass play with no timeouts left and handing it
(25:46):
off to Saquon Barkley on a bum leg and rooting
an opportunity for the Giants to.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Score before half. It's bad, men.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
You have a lot of inexperienced quarterbacks making a lot
of inexperienced quarterbacks mistakes, and as a result, we're seeing
a huge decline in points being scored.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
It's funny you bring up that end of half situation
from the Giants, a game that they actually played well
in right right, played well enough to be in played
well right. They They've been bludgeoned every other week. They've
been the topic of many, many discussions. That offensive line
has been skewered. Neil fighting with the fans, fighting with
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radio hosts all the way through Barkley obviously missing a
few games. Daniel Jones has been a pinata back there.
I mean, you add all of that together, you finally
have an opportunity to go make some magic against one
of the leagues at least we think they are better
teams in the Buffalo Bills. And you get that, and
then we get that book ended with the what should
(26:46):
have been a penalty on the hold or interference whatever
you want to call there with Darren Waller, who was finally,
you know, making his presence felt in a big moment. So,
like all of that just goes to say, it's the
National Football League through six weeks and many If Elvis
was around, he would have shot many a television.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
And then crushed a couple of PB and banana sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You're telling me you haven't done so in the middle
of the night. Of course I have, and some PBRs.
I'll tell you what that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, I tell you right now if you've never By
the way, just a quick pro tip for anybody out
there who wants to make a quick peanut butter and
banana sandwich. Use a hot dog bun, Throw the banana
on the hot dog bun, slather it with peanut butter.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
You'll thank me later.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Well, Frostburg and I at the same time at each
other's like, I really think he's pulling out the flamethrower.
You want the proper char on your banana. You're damn right,
your wife take out any extra insurance policies at this point, well.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Not that I'm aware of, at least at least on
your home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a feeling there
are They're on me.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's rich Ord Berger in for Jason Smith. Just get
warmed up here Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harmon
Live from your tirerac dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios,
and now Budding Star on the Horizon. She's got an
update and I'm sure some stats from the ACES win.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Maybe she made some money on it. I don't know.
It's Monte Milanos. What's going on, Manti.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I did not lose money today, No, no, no, I should.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Win because you've got a big grin on your face.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I do.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
It was such a good game and it went down
to the final seconds.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Steward with good draws, the double plainy to the.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Corner banderslop no.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
That is an unforgettable finish to game four, A resilient
conclusion to a remarkable season for the Lost Dakas Aces.
And for the first time it's twenty years good Wunba
(29:02):
has a pack two pack champion.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
That's right, Aces Radio Network guys. Literally the final score
seventy to sixty nine. Liberty were up and down. It
was such an exciting game. Aces without two of their starters,
but they were led by Asia Wilson, who ended with
twenty four points sixteen rebounds. She was the MVP of
the finals. The Liberty Breonna Stewart, she struggled three of
(29:27):
seventeen from the field ten points, fourteen rebounds, and again
they lost by just one. Great effort by the Las
Vegas Aces, and they had a bunch of celebrities in there.
Jason Sedakis was there. There you go, I want that
Wnba sweatshirt. I didn't like the orange one. He's weighing
like a like a turquoise one.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
My dad went to high school with his dad. Really.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, that's a fun for.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Those Chicago guys. You know they went cin every Yeah, yeah,
you gotta love that.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
And then Darren Waller was there to see his wife
Kelsey Plump play for the Aces, so he was there
as well.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
We still I got baseball going on.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Josh Young doing everything he can for the Rangers. He
is homered twice to run homers, so all four runs
for the Rangers have come from Young. But the Astros
responded Jeremy Penya with an RBI single actually, no, a
run run single actually. So the Astros are up on
the Rangers eight four, top of the eighth Inny. But
(30:22):
we can't be that surprise, right. We had to expect
the Astros. We're gonna come back here.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
There it is there is.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
That's how I know. You don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
How I know if Frostburg is in or not is
if I hear things in.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
The background that suck.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yo.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If I hear any of that, I know Frostburg is
in studio.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, I mean we like to create what is either
a bar scenario, in stadium scenario, you've come and crashed
my house to take my food and beer scenario.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I mean, whatever the case is, yeah, but it's together.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It is a gathering. I like that.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Guys in the NFL, a couple of quarterbacks do not
practice today, like Jimmy Garoppolo of the Raiders, Deshaun Watson
of the Browns.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
He is day to day and Bears quarterback Justin Fields,
who's dealing with the right thumb.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
He is doubtful for Week seven.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Demante Smith also didn't practice today
because of a hamstring injury, and as expected, the Colts
announced that rookie quarterback Anthony Richardson will be having season
ending shoulder surgery. And in the NBA, James Harden, still
acting a full didn't go.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
To practice today. The seventy six ers don't know why.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Apparently he hasn't been with the team since Sunday, currently
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
But they're waiting. They're gonna wait to see what the.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
Reason is before they decide on their punishment. Because that
makes sense.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Sure right now? Well said something else to do?
Speaker 7 (31:48):
I know that's such a good answer. That was the
best answer.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
I mean it was dead pan, just like, hey, yeah,
I mean, what right, what do you do at that point?
Speaker 7 (31:57):
What do you do at that point?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Back to you guys, you hunt.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
This suppression just will not stand. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
He was hanging out in Houston instead of being with
his teams in practice at Monte malanyas where you find
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why don't we go back and talk a little Bears football?
Only because the future has been preordained by many, but
(32:46):
a lot of Bears legends and maybe I use that
term a little loosely, are saying, well why why? We'll
ask that question, as Shatner did so often on Star Trek.
Next here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 4 (33:08):
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me,
Mike Harmon, No Jason Smith Tonight, Rich Hornberger in instead
coming up in about ten minutes, we'll start getting into
our good, bad, the ugly through six weeks of your
National Football League. Why because we like metal stands, but
I like to invert it, Rich where most people do
(34:02):
top fives and let's celebrate everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Naha, na na na.
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I C. Now everybody gets into this run through six weeks.
Now you're trying to jockey for position, as it were,
at least that's how some in local media markets would
have you. In some national pundits of well, you know,
now it's the tank time. It's like normally this would
be a little bit orarly. There's some reports from your
(34:49):
former team, the Patriots, with their extensive injury report this week,
that you know, some in the front offices would love
to see the losses continue to pile up so you
actually can go and make a run at one of
these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
In Chicago, it was presumed that this was the case,
even though you have justin fields And what's been interesting,
rich In, I'm convinced most folks have never watched a
full Bears game and certainly there have been some embarrassing
clips coming out about their offensive line from this last
weekend's game against Minnesota, where I defy you to tell
me who they were attempting to block in the schemes.
(35:30):
White hair is the guy who's been the main culprit.
But it's been an epidemic there for going on six weeks.
Not to say that Fields doesn't hold the ball too
long at times, et cetera. But there's just the start
back in Chicago, because look, let's face it, if you
played for the squad, someone's gonna have you on their
radio show or television show. So you've got a lot
(35:52):
of former Bears coming out going, Wait, I'm gonna get
rid of Justin Fields to bring in Caleb Williams. You're
at astute observer of the human condition and football acumen.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I mean, Justin.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fields where he's at at this point, and what we've
got a body of work to Caleb Williams compare contrast.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Other than him being younger.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Well, and that's the whole crux of the story here,
Justin Fields, we've learned that is he look, is he
a standout amongst his peers in the NFL at the
quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
No, not by any measure. But can he play at
this level?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, I don't know if he's necessarily a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Hope.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I hope he turns into one, because, like we were
talking about earlier, with some of the depressed offensive numbers
we've seen over the past bunch of years in the NFL,
I think a lot of that has to do with
players like Justin Field's young quarterbacks taking in the draft
not developing either quickly enough or injuries getting the way
of developing quickly enough and having a hard time playing
(36:59):
at this level. So, you know, focusing on him in exchange,
you know, via Trader. Otherwise for Caleb Williams, if this
team really does hit the skids this season, you're gonna
be doing this all over again with another quarterback who's
unproven at this level.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
So it could go gangbusters.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
And you could have a Justin Herbert on your hand,
who it feels like, in spite of bad coaching, you know,
he can deliver some wins, or you could end up
with a Johnny man Zep well maybe not quite as
bad as a Johnny Manzil. Because there was some writing
on the wall when he left A and M in
the first place. But you could have a bust, you
could have a Tim Tebow. It happens, you know, you
(37:40):
could have amazing college quarterbacks get to the NFL and
really really struggle.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
We've seen it before.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
We've seen locks people who have been regarded as the
lock of the century, the Lock of the decade, the
lock of you name the amount of time struggle, and
that could be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I'm not necessarily counting on it.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
You know, there have been people talking about this kid
for a very long time, and I respect the opinions
of many who say that he is as NFL ready
a quarterback as they've seen in a long time. But
as we know, as you progress to this next level,
I mean, there's no fair dodging anymore.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It ain't college football, and.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Guys get found out and so you're gonna you're gonna
change out justin fields for another unproven commodity at the
NFL level.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's not going to guarantee better results.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, I think that's the thing that's been the most
confusing for me. Right whenever we do these generational can't
miss whatever, it's like with a lot of the players
Williams in particular at USC, the offensive firepower that is there,
and we can go player to player and go through
history with it. You know, the difference in the separation
(38:52):
that your receivers have playing for a USC or go
back to in certain big time college program here is
so much different than the NFL, right in terms of
squeezing the ball into a receiver who's maybe not gaining
that level of separation, which is when you start getting
into the analysis dissection of say Brock Purdy and guys
(39:16):
like that that came from you know, places where he
had to make plays right, right, And it takes nothing
away from the stats and the physical aptitude and nobilities
of Caleb Williams. It just you know, we we try
to go through this and we see every snap and
try to go with the fine tooth comb and so
for for justin fields, it's kind of like those guys
(39:38):
that were part of the Jets and these others, like
how much of it is just organizational that you don't
know what to do with a guy rather than just saying, hey,
go out there and throw the ball out there and
do some great things well.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And we're talking about potentially if an organization brings in
a Caleb Williams, you're also assuming they're going to bring
in a brand new head coach, and so potentially another
untested quantity at the front of the organization, potentially almost
guaranteed a new offensive coordinator with that new head coach,
or potentially an offensive head coach who's gonna call his
(40:12):
own plays. I mean, for as much blame as you
want to lay at the feet of Justin Fields, does
Luke Getze get none?
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Does?
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Does the struggles the offense have had are none of
them blamed on the offensive line? Like, there's a lot
more symptoms to the overall illness of the Chicago Bears
than just poor quarterback play, which I'll admit at times
it's Justin Field's fault to sure, sure, but I wouldn't
I wouldn't label him as the only symptom.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, on the the blame pie, I mean, he certainly
gets a pretty good helping as we get towards our
holiday season, holiday, holiday holiday, But the idea that there's
not a bunch of other things. I still want to
know what happened to the old defensive coordinator? Yeah, yeah, disappeared.
Nobody said a word about it.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
All of a sudden, was it like that'd be I
rted this house? And then everybody goes, no, no, they didn't.
And then they went, yeah, but he's got to go.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
He's done. And then they went okay, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, now they've hired a defensive advisor. It's just a weird,
weird place. Rich Ewenberger in for Jason Smith tonight and
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