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Night Football and the night in Major League Baseball. But
we have some new information that has just come in
less than ten minutes ago surrounding the University of Michigan
sign stealing operation, a story that broke big time earlier today.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
When you woke up today, you likely saw the story
that Michigan was being investigated by the NCAA for an
alleged sign stealing operation. So it's spygate come to college football. Now,
what was it that the Michigan Wolverines were sending staffers
people to games of opponents before they played them, advanced
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shouting in the hopes that they'd be able to steal
their signals steel learn and a steel A. Look, you
say stealing, I say learning, You say stealing.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I learned.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And the teams that have been affected were teams on
Michigan's schedule and potential teams day would play in the
CFP playoffs. Jim Harbaugh said today he was surprised to
hear about this. Michigan will be cooperating and does the
NCAA have a little bit of something something for Harbory, Yeah,
they do, U n Sana's like Jim Harboyd. Yeah, No,
I believe that a little bit because when with story broke,
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we saw the the part of the the information that
came out was that schools that are going to play
Michigan later on this year have been asked, and they
all want to still play the game. It's like, well,
we're talking about canceling it. Is there an investigation or
are we canceling games already? I mean, really we're at
that point. You know, Michigan State was notified about it
this week, and they're so a little bit of well,
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are you investigating or is this something where you already
have something or is this a horrball thing? Because certainly,
you see the NCAA has come down pretty hard on Mond,
Michigan with Jim Harbaugh couple of times. But now we
have some new information on this from Pete Bammil and
Mark Schleigbaugh, two big time college football insiders with ESPN. Again,
this is information that is about ten minutes old. A
(02:55):
low level staffer with a military background has emerged as
one of the lynch in the investigation. His name is
Connor Stallions, which is a great name for you know,
fantastic name military guy or adult film actor. Connor Stallions
a football aneist with the Wolverines and a retired captain
in the United States Marine Corps. He is a person
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of interest in the investigation, and sources say that the
NCAA's level of interest in Connor Stallions is so great
they sought access to his computer as part of its investigation.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
He's not like Mars is he You know, there.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Is no markets I got marketson. No, you're doing I
got him? My god, he's in a hotel room. I
got Markinson, I got marketson. Uh, there is no marketson. Man,
you think this might there is no marketson. Like all
of a sudden, the guys is gonna disappear. They're not
gonna find him. He's got all kinds of information.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So, here's a guy football analyst, retired captain in the
Marine Corps who was the person of interest in this investigation.
Sources say the level of interest is so such a
big deal in him, they're searching for his computer. Now,
not that I could be a college football insider on
something like this, but I'm pretty sure I could, because
what did I tell you earlier in the show we
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did this story? I said was though, because we'll get
to what this end game could be for Michigan, and
it's not gonna be good. But what did I tell
you was what I wanted to know the most when
did this start? Because Michigan went from being talk about
being mid which has been the word of the night.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
But they were they were good. I mean they were
ten win teams. Michigan nine win teams.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Michigan had been a three loss or more team every
single year since Jim Harbaugh came in, all the way
up until twenty twenty one. Right, they've had they had
good years and they won, but every single year Harbough
started in twenty fifteen three losses, three losses, five losses,
three losses, four losses, four losses, right all the way
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through twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, they suddenly made a
big jump and they became a two loss team. They
were They beat Ohio State the year after, they beat
Ohio State again thirteen and one in the College Football Playoff.
They were there to the last two years and now
here they are again, seven to zero and number two
in the country getting first place votes. A big jump
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to go from a three loss team for a while
into suddenly being this juggernaut, because this is not hey.
Harbaugh was there for a couple of years. It took
him a little bit to get his team in, but
then he started winning. No, this was probably two full
recruiting cycles for Jim Harbaugh and suddenly, now all of
a sudden they get great. Suddenly, now he's got the quarterback,
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he's got everything. Okay, when did it start? And now
part of this story that ESPN has with Mark Schleibaugh
and Pete Theammil is that they are looking back. According
to sources, that the Wolverines have used an elaborate scouting
system to steal signals from future opponents since at least
what year, Mike Harmon, what's the magic year? Twenty twenty one?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So now not only is it hey, this year.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is in jeopardy, but now it's all the success they
had under Harball. It's was this real or was this
they were able to steal signs, that's are able to
stop other teams? Like like, what is now suddenly all
the success they've had, all the wins over Michigan State
and Ohio State the last two years and getting the CFP,
it's were you legit?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Were you not? What did you have?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because you know, we know what it was like in
the NFL where Bill Belichick said, oh yeah, no, we
really didn't get a lot from it. Why do you
spend so much time trying to get signals from the
other team when you would send people there with with
video cameras and everything else. So you know, you got
a lot from it. And suddenly, hey, spygate gets out
and you're not quite in the super Bowl every year
like he used to be. So we know what the
effect is. And now I look at this and I
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go if they're looking since and it happened in twenty
twenty one, Hey, guess what, man, what does that tell
you about Michigan success in twenty twenty one? Because now
everything they've done is now you wonder was it legitimate?
Was it not?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's that's one of the two big takeaways from
this story.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well, you had the hokey pokey that you played with
his contract a couple of years ago, and all of
that stuff is the chance and cries from the outliers
again not realizing that the level of success, even attained
at three losses, was so much better the consistency of
that than what you'd seen from his predecessors. You have
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to go back to all all the way, what thirty
years to your Lloyd Carr victory other than what Harbaugh
has been bringing to bear here the last few years.
But yeah, if you've got mister Stallion's Colonel Stallions, whatever
his title was. Yeah, it's kind of a big deal
that you've got to go and investigate and the NCAA,
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certainly anything that has a little bit of meat left
on the bone when you're teetering towards complete irrelevance in
terms of adjudicating issues and being pushed out by the
television networks in the conferences, who can just work things
out themselves. Yeah, you're going to go after it. Pretty
hard to show that you still have some sway left
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in this process. Harbaugh's a guy that has how should
we say, ruffled some feathers in the past, even with
the suspension he had to take to start the season.
Defiance and obfuscating and investigation whatever was how it was
termed and what led to the four game suspension. Now
it didn't really mean a whole lot with the opponents
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they were playing, but and John Palmerosi, you know, doing
the halftime show and you coaching the third quarter of
the second game while munching down on a sack of
White Castle Hamburgers. It was all find good. But yeah,
it's for the NCAA, and certainly you can make the
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huge statement here with the level of success and the
notoriety here. Now that coach Prime in Colorado is kind
of an afterthought in terms of wins and losses and headlines.
Caleb Williams lost. Uh, and so now yeah, this can
be gone a huge story to kind of win the
day and show you how you can still exert some
power as the governing body here.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, what is going to happen? Right?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
What could happen to Michigan as a result death. Uh, Well,
there's going to be long term ramifications, but I'll tell
you exactly what the short term ramification is going to
be as this investigation is going on. This is not
an investigation that you can afford to say we're taking
a lot of time with this, because if you're if you're,
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if you're already been in contact with the teams that
Michigan is playing the next few weeks saying hey, this
is what's going on, and and and teams saying we
still want to play the game.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Uh. This tells me they're going to have something sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This is gonna be one of those hey, well we'll
have our findings next year. No, this is gonna be
something where they're going to have findings pretty fast, and
because now the fabric of this season is in jeopardy,
because you're talking about a team that most likely is
going to get to the College Football Playoff. Right, you
have tough games left, right, Don't get me wrong. You
got Penn State, you have Ohio State, but you'll be
favored in those games, and you have a better roster.
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If Michigan gets caught and this turns out to be
they are, the evidence is found and they were getting
signs illegally from other teams, it's gonna be Michigan will
be ineligible for a bowl and for the CFP this season.
That'll be the first thing that comes out. There won't
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be a definitively they won't be able to play in
the CFP. They're never gonna let them play bowl game.
Maybe they let them go, but it's gonna be a
big one. Okay, Well, if you can't go here, we'll
take them to the Rose Bull. But I would say
that if this happens, this comes out, it will come
out probably the next couple of weeks. Remember it still
only it's early October. You don't need to have that
this investigation doneuntil the middle of December, right, till after
the conference championship games are played, because you're talking about
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then you're inviting you know, or the teams in the
top four. But if that happens, it's going to be
no playoff for Michigan, probably no ball. They'll be ineligible,
they'll play the last couple of games of the season,
or if it comes right after their season's over and
they won't be able to go anywhere. That's gonna be
the first penalty that Michigan gets.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
We'll get you going deep and dark. And that's the thing,
right if they've gone down this road the contacting of
other schools while this is still under investigation, and I
don't know how I feel about that. I suppose you're
doing a little bit of the Hey, we've got to
let you know, we've got a situation that we're looking into,
et cetera, et cetera. The option of potentially canceling a game,
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well seems kind of dumb. But because there's no proof
that you've got footage unless you've already got you know,
Stallion's laptop and everything that you've already at least surmised
that there's been some communication of signals and data from
other games, which, as we know, you can also get
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from the guys sitting in the third row who's got
an advanced HD camera sitting there, to transfer it to
whomever the hell he wants, which is why the rule itself.
I like it in theory, right, you want fair play,
sanctity of the game, all those fun things we talk about.
But the reality is Joe Bob Booster could be doing
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the same thing and just uploading it to the fan blogs.
You know that Kevin Costner was looking at so much
in Draft day, right, I mean that that option is there, right,
And obviously if they're an emissary of the squad, they're
under you know, contract or getting paid for stuff, then certainly,
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by the letter of the law, it's a problem. I'm
just pointing out the fact that by the the whole
of it, almost any fan in attendance can probably take
take footage and get you the information you need.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I'm glad you brought that up, because we're gonna get
because this again, this is new news coming and this
is all news that's just a few minutes old.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You're just trying to make all your family mad. You're
just trying to never go to Detroit again.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Oh, they all they all don't know what to make
out of this. They're all just like wait, so what
what what?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
We're no more white castle for what's going on?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And even when you know, we were talking and the
video clip is up at Fox Sports Radio and how
about a fresca had swollen home about you know, the
Jared Goff MVP thing. So while you might be you know,
part of a parade there, you might be a pariah
for this boy the balance in the force.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So is everybody like, now, well they like the fact
that he said Jared goffin MVP, but boy, he said
that Michigan's going to be inailgible for the CFP. Yes,
more on this breaking story coming up next involving Michigan
and spygate coming to college football. Keep it right here.
We debate just exactly how legit this is. Maybe it's
(13:52):
something that's not a big deal, maybe it's something other
team should know about. Keep it right here, Jason and Mike.
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The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Carmon
live from the Tyraq dot com studios. Again new breaking
news involving this Michigan Spygates scandal. Earlier today we found
out the NCAA investigating the University of Michigan, right number
two in the country this year, maybe headed to a
third straight CFP appearance Spygate two.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
This time it's personal.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Illegally, it's a personal You just made it per Do
you believe you made it personal?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Michigan has been investigated that they have been allegedly signed
stealing illegally. Now how are they doing this by sending
people to opponents that they're going to play later on
in the season, So they go to games and they
steal their signs.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And bang on trash cans.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Maybe that happened to me. This got the Astros to
win a couple of World Series. This was what we
knew about the story earlier today. For most of the day,
Jim Harbaugh put out a statement saying, you know, I
don't know what this is all about. I'm very surprised,
but this story seems to be moving pretty fast. As
Pete Mammil and Mark Schleigbaugh to ESPN College Football Insiders
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put out this report about a half hour ago that
a low level staffer with a military background is who
they're looking into.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Connor Stallions Conn. I'm Connor Stallions.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I gotta love it, the low level staffer, because you
got to have a fall guy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You will give me your information because my name is
Connor Stallions. He is a football analyst with the Wolverines,
a retired captain in the United States Marine.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Corps one two, three four, stealing signs from the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Marine Corps captain. He is the person of interest in
this investigation. The NCAA is so interested in him they
sought to get a look at his computer. They are
still investigating the situation right now. But this is where
things are at.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They say.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The sign stealing allegedly goes back to twenty twenty one, which, hey, tona,
when did Michigan suddenly get great twenty twenty one. Now,
we've talked about that part of it, and that if
Michigan gets found guilty of this, they're gonna come down
on at Swift and Michigan's gonna wind up get it.
I'm sure they will get a bowl and CFP ban
this year to be ineligible, and then whatever they'll have
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to figure out later on for next year. In the
year after, I'm sure it's going to be some kind
of further suspension for Jim Harbaugh. But dealing with this year,
I'm sure that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now. The debate can be.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
How big a deal is this, right, you know, sending
somebody to a game ahead to steal the signs? And
when I look at this and I hear the story,
and it sounds like, yeah, okay, is it really that
big a deal? But then you get to the point
where there's stuff on computers and signs and are you
electronically stealing them? Are you doing it just like Spygate?
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Are you going to a game with your phone or
some kind of electronic device and record what the other
team is doing on the sideline and then bringing it
back to your game?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Is that what you're doing? No matter what, whether you
think it's legit or not, it's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's not. It's illegal.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And no matter what, this is something that's against the rules,
and you're gonna wind up getting punished for it. And
I can't just sit here and say, I gotta be real.
I can't sit here and say, oh, it's not that
big a deal because my family's all Michigan fans. When
the Patriots, I wanted Super Bowls taken away. So yeah,
that's kind of what what is gonna wind up happening.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I work in sports radio. That's exactly what you're supposed
to do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I wonder if it's gonna wind up being they're gonna
take away big ten titles if they were doing this
back as far as twenty twel I mean, the big time,
long ranging stuff from this story is gonna be huge.
And while yeah, in and of itself, do you want
to blame teams for not changing signs up or not
doing it? Yeah you could hundred percent, But this is
still not cool. This is still something that's illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I keep going back to that, and if I
said it for the Patriots, I gotta say it for Michigan.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, just get into the discussions of advance gouting and
where the lines are drawn right in terms of signals
and how you're going through the processes. And only hey,
we have copies of all their game tapes. I mean,
everybody's citing the rule as it's the letter of the
law to that this is not allowed. And it's like
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many things that we raise our hand and say, well
should it be? Well, it doesn't matter. It is right now.
And for Michigan, you've now stepped into a difficult spot.
If he's the he becomes the fall guy, the low
level employee, and Jim Harbaugh doing everything he can to
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distance himself from it. But just like with the suspension
he served earlier this year, there's an expectation that you knew,
just like Pat Fitzgerald being fired by Northwestern lawsuit pending
of course now, but the idea was, hey, you should
have known what was going on. It's you know, plausible
deniability only gets you so far. And for Jim Harbaugh
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and for Michigan, can you uncover either through this guy's
hard drive or other hard drives inside that football building
that there was an elaborate scheme to put this stuff together?
Are you just gonna find a piece of paper and notes?
Does a mechanical pencil count as technology?
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Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I don't mean to, but I mean just in reality, right,
if Stellions literally took notes and then transcribed it to
a computer for his own you know, neatness and disseminating information,
is that the same thing? Or am I just parsing
this out a little bit too much and I should
just be uh, you know, top line it right? Hey,
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So that's what I'd have questions for him, no question
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now to make things more interesting, okay, this is a
halftime interview that was done at halftime of Michigan's win
over Rutgers from late September. This is a game Michigan
let at halftime fourteen to seven, and they pulled away
in the second half to win thirty one seven. So
this is just your halftime hey. You know they talked
to one of the coaches the game. All the time
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they get one or two quick questions, what happened in
the first half?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What do you have to do in the second half?
And usually you get stuff that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like, well, we got to stop them from scoring and
we have to score more points. Right, That's normally what
you get. But listen to the interview. This is halftime
of the Michigan Rutgers game from the Big Ten Network
early this year, and this is the interview with Greg Sheiano. Again,
Rutgers was down fourteen to seven at this point. Listen
to what he had to say during the halftime interview.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Coach, four penopties for your team in the first half,
some that cost you. How do you clean that up
in the second half.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Well, there's some stuff going on out there, so we
just got to slow it down a little bit. There's
some things going on that aren't right as well, so
we'll talk about how to handle it.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
This Michigan defense keeping Gavin Wimson in this passing game
in check.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How do you adjust?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well, she's got to.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Keep playing, you know, in the game. We just got
to keep playing, all right, Thanks coach, there's some things
going on.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And then because he wanted to say it again, there's
some things going on that aren't right.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I find a hard time believing that great Ciano's talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
There's things that's just it's not right with our offense.
Like when you say there's something.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
The penalties or whatever not right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Because he wanted to make he wanted to say that right,
because he said at the beginning, there's some things going on.
Racket back to play it again, and he said, there's
some things going on. But then it's almost like he
thought in his head, no that that you make it
seem like enough. Yeah, I didn't go far enough. Let
me make sure I tell you exactly what I mean.
Play the beginning of it again at go ahead.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Coach, four penalties for your team in the first half,
some that cost you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
How do you clean that up in the second half.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Wow, there's some stuff going on out there, so we
just got to slow it down a little bit. There's
some things going on that aren't right as well, so yeah,
as well.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's like as the follow up Brooke Fletcher, the question
is what do you mean not right?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's where you have to listen, right, And that's
why these some days because it's the same two questions, right.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
This is all the producers in your ear get it,
you know, get that next question in.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, what's not right?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
But this is where it because it helps because when
you're asking this right, when you're on the field, I
get it. It's the coach doesn't want to be there,
but he knows he has to answer the questions. And
this is where there's got to be somebody in your
ear a producer that's watching away from it, because look,
you're standing on the sideline and there's people walking by
you and it's hard to hear, and the coach is
right there and it's are we ready?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Are we going? It's a it's nerve racking to do.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
To do that, to say, I gotta get this interview,
I got to get Greg Ciano here, we gotta go
do it. There's got to be somebody that's got to say, whoa, hey,
follow up, what's not right?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
What's going on that's not right? And then Schianto can
answer ever he wants to.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But you never maybe he says, well, they seem to
know what running, or they seem to know what's going
to happen on a certain play or not. So maybe
this is Rutgers actually knowing something about it at that time.
That it could be it's like they ran that play
like they knew that was coming. So this suddenly everything
Michigan has done. You're gonna see people going through plays,
going through games. Hey what about this play? Michigan had
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this stop on this third and nine where it was
a play that so and so had run for the
first time all year in Michigan had the right call
for it. Suddenly all of this is what the next
few days and weeks are going to be about for
the University of Michigan. Every day is going to be
look at this viral video. How did they know this? Right?
Same thing with the Patriots, right, because Spygate was a
long time ago. But when this story first broke, when
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Eric Mangini was the head coach of the Jets broke
this story by talking about it. Then every couple of
days it was hey, the Rams said, Hey, we think
the Patriots were at our walkthrough during the Super Bowl.
We think this guy was there taking video. We had
to kick this guy out of our game on Thanksgiving
a couple of years ago who was taking video and
he's the same guy that was in was in MetLife
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Stadium or back when it was a Metal Lands with
the Jets. And it was every few days it was, wow,
you're getting tagged again with a potential cheating scandal. Potent
getting tagged. And then they had to follow one guy
who who quit was a golf pro with living in Hawaii,
and they shoot Hawaii to interview him about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And it was crazy. But that's how big Spygate was It.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Went on over a period of time for a couple
of months where every couple of days was something new.
And I guarantee you the Internet is going to bring
us something new every couple of days.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
There's a good one from earlier. Ready, I've got one
for you. Brian Fanseka f O n s CA beat
reporter for New Jersey Advanced Media. He's the Rutgers beat reporter.
I had a picture. It was from Rutgers in Virginia
Tech and you got the student section and right in
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the middle of it is a guy with a Michigan hoodie.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, you know what, You're just stupid. If you're going
to spy on a on a on a game, don't wear.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
The in the middle of the section in a Michigan
hoodie and.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Half he's not holding anything, but it's like, why are
you going there?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna wear my best Michigan Why would you
do that?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
A screenshot via the Big Ten Network and the parenthetical
did Michigan send an advanced scout into the Rutgers student
section to check out the Scarlet Knights in person? If
they did, he did not do a great job of
blending in.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Hey, it works.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Wall though. Oh he's not even trying anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He's just standing right there. He's telling everybody, I get
out of my way? Can you move? I can't see
I can't see.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Simpsons predicted it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I can't see the sides on the field. Now, look,
I'm telling you this story is just going to get
bigger and bigger, and it will be this. Look we
call it ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, this is now a story that's gonna take over
college football because Michigan is this good. Harbaugh is the
rock star head coach in college football not named Deon Sanders.
And now that Michigan is undefeated and Deon Sanders has
a couple of losses, well, the world is gonna become
all about this. And you're gonna see other coaches way
in they're gonna talk about it, and and schools that
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hate Michigan are gonna say, yeah, we kind of had this.
We thought this was kind of weird, but we blew
it off. I mean every couple of days, and Michigan
is gonna get tagged on this.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Remember when we thought this was all about hamburgers?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, I know, right, just cheeseburgers, Just a cheeseburger. Would
have been a lot simpler, wouldn't it. Just some improper
cheeseburgers and chili fries.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They're gonna live this thing for the rest of the
college football season. Like, we don't have room for a
lot of national stories in college football because college football
is so regionalized. Basically, we just pay attention to, Hey,
the teams that are at the top, and where can
they go because we're all interested in the playoff. Colorado
cut through because it was you know, hey, they became
America's team for a few weeks, and everything Colorado did
(26:59):
we wanted to see because of Deon Sanders. You love Dion,
you hated Dion, but you paid attention. Michigan's kind of
the same way. You love harbball, you hate harbball. But
this is a cheating scandal involving one of the biggest
heritage programs in the history of college football.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
They've been playing.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
College football at Michigan since the sixteen hundreds. I mean,
they won national championships by beating the Pilgrims to win.
And this is how big a den now here's Michigan
accused of this scandal. This is gonna take over and
it's gonna be teams winning.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And here's more.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Look, I'm already looking through many people. I'm watching every
replay of the Rutgers Michigan game in the first half
to see what they could possibly be talking about. I'm
watching rewatching this game here. I mean, it's gonna be.
Every couple of days, I guarantee you. Tomorrow I'll give
you this guarantee. Tomorrow and we're doing the show, there
will be at least one big story added to this
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that looks like, hey, was this Michigan stealing signs illegally?
I guarantee you, now, whether it's legit or not, but
it's gonna be something that gains a lot of attention,
gets a lot of momentum on social media, and it
becomes something we talk about this time tomorrow, there's gonna
be at least one more of those stories, really big,
one more of these Greg Chiano type stories that we're
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we have some new information that has just come in
less than ten minutes ago surrounding the University of Michigan
sign stealing operation, a story that broke big time earlier today.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Is it about a double cheeseburger.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's not a triple. It's the Monster Mac from McDonald's
Man you get eight patties.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Go get it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
When you woke up today, you likely saw the story
that Michigan was being investigated by the NCAA for an
alleged sign stealing operation. So it's spygate come to college football. Now,
what was it that the Michigan Wolverines were sending staffers
people to games of opponents before they played them, advanced
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shouting in the hopes that they'd be able to steal
their signals steel learn and a steel A. Look, you
say stealing, I say learning, You say stealing.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I learned.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And the teams that have been affected were teams on
Michigan's schedule and potential teams day would play in the
CFP playoffs. Jim Harbaugh said today he was surprised to
hear about this. Michigan will be cooperating and does the
NCAA have a little bit of something something for Harbory, Yeah,
they do, U n Sana's like Jim Harboyd. Yeah, No,
I believe that a little bit because when with story broke,
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we saw the the part of the the information that
came out was that schools that are going to play
Michigan later on this year have been asked, and they
all want to still play the game. It's like, well,
we're talking about canceling it. Is there an investigation or
are we canceling games already? I mean, really we're at
that point. You know, Michigan State was notified about it
this week, and they're so a little bit of well,
(02:32):
are you investigating or is this something where you already
have something or is this a horrball thing? Because certainly,
you see the NCAA has come down pretty hard on Mond,
Michigan with Jim Harbaugh couple of times. But now we
have some new information on this from Pete Bammil and
Mark Schleigbaugh, two big time college football insiders with ESPN. Again,
this is information that is about ten minutes old. A
(02:55):
low level staffer with a military background has emerged as
one of the lynch in the investigation. His name is
Connor Stallions, which is a great name for you know,
fantastic name military guy or adult film actor. Connor Stallions
a football aneist with the Wolverines and a retired captain
in the United States Marine Corps. He is a person
(03:17):
of interest in the investigation, and sources say that the
NCAA's level of interest in Connor Stallions is so great
they sought access to his computer as part of its investigation.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
He's not like Mars is he You know, there.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Is no markets I got marketson. No, you're doing I
got him? My god, he's in a hotel room. I
got Markinson, I got marketson. Uh, there is no marketson. Man,
you think this might there is no marketson. Like all
of a sudden, the guys is gonna disappear. They're not
gonna find him. He's got all kinds of information.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So, here's a guy football analyst, retired captain in the
Marine Corps who was the person of interest in this investigation.
Sources say the level of interest is so such a
big deal in him, they're searching for his computer. Now,
not that I could be a college football insider on
something like this, but I'm pretty sure I could, because
what did I tell you earlier in the show we
(04:06):
did this story? I said was though, because we'll get
to what this end game could be for Michigan, and
it's not gonna be good. But what did I tell
you was what I wanted to know the most when
did this start? Because Michigan went from being talk about
being mid which has been the word of the night.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
But they were they were good. I mean they were
ten win teams. Michigan nine win teams.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Michigan had been a three loss or more team every
single year since Jim Harbaugh came in, all the way
up until twenty twenty one. Right, they've had they had
good years and they won, but every single year Harbough
started in twenty fifteen three losses, three losses, five losses,
three losses, four losses, four losses, right all the way
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through twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, they suddenly made a
big jump and they became a two loss team. They
were They beat Ohio State the year after, they beat
Ohio State again thirteen and one in the College Football Playoff.
They were there to the last two years and now
here they are again, seven to zero and number two
in the country getting first place votes. A big jump
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to go from a three loss team for a while
into suddenly being this juggernaut, because this is not hey.
Harbaugh was there for a couple of years. It took
him a little bit to get his team in, but
then he started winning. No, this was probably two full
recruiting cycles for Jim Harbaugh and suddenly, now all of
a sudden they get great. Suddenly, now he's got the quarterback,
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he's got everything. Okay, when did it start? And now
part of this story that ESPN has with Mark Schleibaugh
and Pete Theammil is that they are looking back. According
to sources, that the Wolverines have used an elaborate scouting
system to steal signals from future opponents since at least
what year, Mike Harmon, what's the magic year? Twenty twenty one?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
So now not only is it hey, this year.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is in jeopardy, but now it's all the success they
had under Harball. It's was this real or was this
they were able to steal signs, that's are able to
stop other teams? Like like, what is now suddenly all
the success they've had, all the wins over Michigan State
and Ohio State the last two years and getting the CFP,
it's were you legit?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Were you not? What did you have?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because you know, we know what it was like in
the NFL where Bill Belichick said, oh yeah, no, we
really didn't get a lot from it. Why do you
spend so much time trying to get signals from the
other team when you would send people there with with
video cameras and everything else. So you know, you got
a lot from it. And suddenly, hey, spygate gets out
and you're not quite in the super Bowl every year
like he used to be. So we know what the
effect is. And now I look at this and I
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go if they're looking since and it happened in twenty
twenty one, Hey, guess what, man, what does that tell
you about Michigan success in twenty twenty one? Because now
everything they've done is now you wonder was it legitimate?
Was it not?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's that's one of the two big takeaways from
this story.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well, you had the hokey pokey that you played with
his contract a couple of years ago, and all of
that stuff is the chance and cries from the outliers
again not realizing that the level of success, even attained
at three losses, was so much better the consistency of
that than what you'd seen from his predecessors. You have
(07:23):
to go back to all all the way, what thirty
years to your Lloyd Carr victory other than what Harbaugh
has been bringing to bear here the last few years.
But yeah, if you've got mister Stallion's Colonel Stallions, whatever
his title was. Yeah, it's kind of a big deal
that you've got to go and investigate and the NCAA,
(07:46):
certainly anything that has a little bit of meat left
on the bone when you're teetering towards complete irrelevance in
terms of adjudicating issues and being pushed out by the
television networks in the conferences, who can just work things
out themselves. Yeah, you're going to go after it. Pretty
hard to show that you still have some sway left
(08:10):
in this process. Harbaugh's a guy that has how should
we say, ruffled some feathers in the past, even with
the suspension he had to take to start the season.
Defiance and obfuscating and investigation whatever was how it was
termed and what led to the four game suspension. Now
it didn't really mean a whole lot with the opponents
(08:31):
they were playing, but and John Palmerosi, you know, doing
the halftime show and you coaching the third quarter of
the second game while munching down on a sack of
White Castle Hamburgers. It was all find good. But yeah,
it's for the NCAA, and certainly you can make the
(08:52):
huge statement here with the level of success and the
notoriety here. Now that coach Prime in Colorado is kind
of an afterthought in terms of wins and losses and headlines.
Caleb Williams lost. Uh, and so now yeah, this can
be gone a huge story to kind of win the
day and show you how you can still exert some
power as the governing body here.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, what is going to happen? Right?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
What could happen to Michigan as a result death. Uh, Well,
there's going to be long term ramifications, but I'll tell
you exactly what the short term ramification is going to
be as this investigation is going on. This is not
an investigation that you can afford to say we're taking
a lot of time with this, because if you're if you're,
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if you're already been in contact with the teams that
Michigan is playing the next few weeks saying hey, this
is what's going on, and and and teams saying we
still want to play the game.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Uh. This tells me they're going to have something sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This is gonna be one of those hey, well we'll
have our findings next year. No, this is gonna be
something where they're going to have findings pretty fast, and
because now the fabric of this season is in jeopardy,
because you're talking about a team that most likely is
going to get to the College Football Playoff. Right, you
have tough games left, right, Don't get me wrong. You
got Penn State, you have Ohio State, but you'll be
favored in those games, and you have a better roster.
(10:15):
If Michigan gets caught and this turns out to be
they are, the evidence is found and they were getting
signs illegally from other teams, it's gonna be Michigan will
be ineligible for a bowl and for the CFP this season.
That'll be the first thing that comes out. There won't
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be a definitively they won't be able to play in
the CFP. They're never gonna let them play bowl game.
Maybe they let them go, but it's gonna be a
big one. Okay, Well, if you can't go here, we'll
take them to the Rose Bull. But I would say
that if this happens, this comes out, it will come
out probably the next couple of weeks. Remember it still
only it's early October. You don't need to have that
this investigation doneuntil the middle of December, right, till after
the conference championship games are played, because you're talking about
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then you're inviting you know, or the teams in the
top four. But if that happens, it's going to be
no playoff for Michigan, probably no ball. They'll be ineligible,
they'll play the last couple of games of the season,
or if it comes right after their season's over and
they won't be able to go anywhere. That's gonna be
the first penalty that Michigan gets.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
We'll get you going deep and dark. And that's the thing,
right if they've gone down this road the contacting of
other schools while this is still under investigation, and I
don't know how I feel about that. I suppose you're
doing a little bit of the Hey, we've got to
let you know, we've got a situation that we're looking into,
et cetera, et cetera. The option of potentially canceling a game,
(11:38):
well seems kind of dumb. But because there's no proof
that you've got footage unless you've already got you know,
Stallion's laptop and everything that you've already at least surmised
that there's been some communication of signals and data from
other games, which, as we know, you can also get
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from the guys sitting in the third row who's got
an advanced HD camera sitting there, to transfer it to
whomever the hell he wants, which is why the rule itself.
I like it in theory, right, you want fair play,
sanctity of the game, all those fun things we talk about.
But the reality is Joe Bob Booster could be doing
(12:21):
the same thing and just uploading it to the fan blogs.
You know that Kevin Costner was looking at so much
in Draft day, right, I mean that that option is there, right,
And obviously if they're an emissary of the squad, they're
under you know, contract or getting paid for stuff, then certainly,
(12:42):
by the letter of the law, it's a problem. I'm
just pointing out the fact that by the the whole
of it, almost any fan in attendance can probably take
take footage and get you the information you need.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I'm glad you brought that up, because we're gonna get
because this again, this is new news coming and this
is all news that's just a few minutes old.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
You're just trying to make all your family mad. You're
just trying to never go to Detroit again.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Oh, they all they all don't know what to make
out of this. They're all just like wait, so what
what what?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
We're no more white castle for what's going on?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And even when you know, we were talking and the
video clip is up at Fox Sports Radio and how
about a fresca had swollen home about you know, the
Jared Goff MVP thing. So while you might be you know,
part of a parade there, you might be a pariah
for this boy the balance in the force.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So is everybody like, now, well they like the fact
that he said Jared goffin MVP, but boy, he said
that Michigan's going to be inailgible for the CFP. Yes,
more on this breaking story coming up next involving Michigan
and spygate coming to college football. Keep it right here.
We debate just exactly how legit this is. Maybe it's
(13:52):
something that's not a big deal, maybe it's something other
team should know about. Keep it right here, Jason and Mike.
You are listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Carmon
live from the Tyraq dot com studios. Again new breaking
news involving this Michigan Spygates scandal. Earlier today we found
out the NCAA investigating the University of Michigan, right number
two in the country this year, maybe headed to a
third straight CFP appearance Spygate two.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
This time it's personal.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Illegally, it's a personal You just made it per Do
you believe you made it personal?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Michigan has been investigated that they have been allegedly signed
stealing illegally. Now how are they doing this by sending
people to opponents that they're going to play later on
in the season, So they go to games and they
steal their signs.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And bang on trash cans.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Maybe that happened to me. This got the Astros to
win a couple of World Series. This was what we
knew about the story earlier today. For most of the day,
Jim Harbaugh put out a statement saying, you know, I
don't know what this is all about. I'm very surprised,
but this story seems to be moving pretty fast. As
Pete Mammil and Mark Schleigbaugh to ESPN College Football Insiders
(15:16):
put out this report about a half hour ago that
a low level staffer with a military background is who
they're looking into.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Connor Stallions Conn. I'm Connor Stallions.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I gotta love it, the low level staffer, because you
got to have a fall guy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You will give me your information because my name is
Connor Stallions. He is a football analyst with the Wolverines,
a retired captain in the United States Marine.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Corps one two, three four, stealing signs from the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Marine Corps captain. He is the person of interest in
this investigation. The NCAA is so interested in him they
sought to get a look at his computer. They are
still investigating the situation right now. But this is where
things are at.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They say.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The sign stealing allegedly goes back to twenty twenty one, which, hey, tona,
when did Michigan suddenly get great twenty twenty one. Now,
we've talked about that part of it, and that if
Michigan gets found guilty of this, they're gonna come down
on at Swift and Michigan's gonna wind up get it.
I'm sure they will get a bowl and CFP ban
this year to be ineligible, and then whatever they'll have
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to figure out later on for next year. In the
year after, I'm sure it's going to be some kind
of further suspension for Jim Harbaugh. But dealing with this year,
I'm sure that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now. The debate can be.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
How big a deal is this, right, you know, sending
somebody to a game ahead to steal the signs? And
when I look at this and I hear the story,
and it sounds like, yeah, okay, is it really that
big a deal? But then you get to the point
where there's stuff on computers and signs and are you
electronically stealing them? Are you doing it just like Spygate?
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Are you going to a game with your phone or
some kind of electronic device and record what the other
team is doing on the sideline and then bringing it
back to your game?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Is that what you're doing? No matter what, whether you
think it's legit or not, it's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's not. It's illegal.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And no matter what, this is something that's against the rules,
and you're gonna wind up getting punished for it. And
I can't just sit here and say, I gotta be real.
I can't sit here and say, oh, it's not that
big a deal because my family's all Michigan fans. When
the Patriots, I wanted Super Bowls taken away. So yeah,
that's kind of what what is gonna wind up happening.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I work in sports radio. That's exactly what you're supposed
to do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I wonder if it's gonna wind up being they're gonna
take away big ten titles if they were doing this
back as far as twenty twel I mean, the big time,
long ranging stuff from this story is gonna be huge.
And while yeah, in and of itself, do you want
to blame teams for not changing signs up or not
doing it? Yeah you could hundred percent, But this is
still not cool. This is still something that's illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I keep going back to that, and if I
said it for the Patriots, I gotta say it for Michigan.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, just get into the discussions of advance gouting and
where the lines are drawn right in terms of signals
and how you're going through the processes. And only hey,
we have copies of all their game tapes. I mean,
everybody's citing the rule as it's the letter of the
law to that this is not allowed. And it's like
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many things that we raise our hand and say, well
should it be? Well, it doesn't matter. It is right now.
And for Michigan, you've now stepped into a difficult spot.
If he's the he becomes the fall guy, the low
level employee, and Jim Harbaugh doing everything he can to
(18:41):
distance himself from it. But just like with the suspension
he served earlier this year, there's an expectation that you knew,
just like Pat Fitzgerald being fired by Northwestern lawsuit pending
of course now, but the idea was, hey, you should
have known what was going on. It's you know, plausible
deniability only gets you so far. And for Jim Harbaugh
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and for Michigan, can you uncover either through this guy's
hard drive or other hard drives inside that football building
that there was an elaborate scheme to put this stuff together?
Are you just gonna find a piece of paper and notes?
Does a mechanical pencil count as technology?
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Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I don't mean to, but I mean just in reality, right,
if Stellions literally took notes and then transcribed it to
a computer for his own you know, neatness and disseminating information,
is that the same thing? Or am I just parsing
this out a little bit too much and I should
just be uh, you know, top line it right? Hey,
(20:00):
So that's what I'd have questions for him, no question
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now to make things more interesting, okay, this is a
halftime interview that was done at halftime of Michigan's win
over Rutgers from late September. This is a game Michigan
let at halftime fourteen to seven, and they pulled away
in the second half to win thirty one seven. So
this is just your halftime hey. You know they talked
to one of the coaches the game. All the time
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they get one or two quick questions, what happened in
the first half?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What do you have to do in the second half?
And usually you get stuff that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Like, well, we got to stop them from scoring and
we have to score more points. Right, That's normally what
you get. But listen to the interview. This is halftime
of the Michigan Rutgers game from the Big Ten Network
early this year, and this is the interview with Greg Sheiano. Again,
Rutgers was down fourteen to seven at this point. Listen
to what he had to say during the halftime interview.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Coach, four penopties for your team in the first half,
some that cost you. How do you clean that up
in the second half.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Well, there's some stuff going on out there, so we
just got to slow it down a little bit. There's
some things going on that aren't right as well, so
we'll talk about how to handle it.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
This Michigan defense keeping Gavin Wimson in this passing game
in check.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How do you adjust?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well, she's got to.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Keep playing, you know, in the game. We just got
to keep playing, all right, Thanks coach, there's some things
going on.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And then because he wanted to say it again, there's
some things going on that aren't right.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I find a hard time believing that great Ciano's talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
There's things that's just it's not right with our offense.
Like when you say there's something.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
The penalties or whatever not right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Because he wanted to make he wanted to say that right,
because he said at the beginning, there's some things going on.
Racket back to play it again, and he said, there's
some things going on. But then it's almost like he
thought in his head, no that that you make it
seem like enough. Yeah, I didn't go far enough. Let
me make sure I tell you exactly what I mean.
Play the beginning of it again at go ahead.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Coach, four penalties for your team in the first half,
some that cost you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
How do you clean that up in the second half.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Wow, there's some stuff going on out there, so we
just got to slow it down a little bit. There's
some things going on that aren't right as well, so yeah,
as well.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's like as the follow up Brooke Fletcher, the question
is what do you mean not right?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's where you have to listen, right, And that's
why these some days because it's the same two questions, right.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
This is all the producers in your ear get it,
you know, get that next question in.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, what's not right?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
But this is where it because it helps because when
you're asking this right, when you're on the field, I
get it. It's the coach doesn't want to be there,
but he knows he has to answer the questions. And
this is where there's got to be somebody in your
ear a producer that's watching away from it, because look,
you're standing on the sideline and there's people walking by
you and it's hard to hear, and the coach is
right there and it's are we ready?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Are we going? It's a it's nerve racking to do.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
To do that, to say, I gotta get this interview,
I got to get Greg Ciano here, we gotta go
do it. There's got to be somebody that's got to say, whoa, hey,
follow up, what's not right?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
What's going on that's not right? And then Schianto can
answer ever he wants to.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But you never maybe he says, well, they seem to
know what running, or they seem to know what's going
to happen on a certain play or not. So maybe
this is Rutgers actually knowing something about it at that time.
That it could be it's like they ran that play
like they knew that was coming. So this suddenly everything
Michigan has done. You're gonna see people going through plays,
going through games. Hey what about this play? Michigan had
(23:19):
this stop on this third and nine where it was
a play that so and so had run for the
first time all year in Michigan had the right call
for it. Suddenly all of this is what the next
few days and weeks are going to be about for
the University of Michigan. Every day is going to be
look at this viral video. How did they know this? Right?
Same thing with the Patriots, right, because Spygate was a
long time ago. But when this story first broke, when
(23:42):
Eric Mangini was the head coach of the Jets broke
this story by talking about it. Then every couple of
days it was hey, the Rams said, Hey, we think
the Patriots were at our walkthrough during the Super Bowl.
We think this guy was there taking video. We had
to kick this guy out of our game on Thanksgiving
a couple of years ago who was taking video and
he's the same guy that was in was in MetLife
(24:05):
Stadium or back when it was a Metal Lands with
the Jets. And it was every few days it was, wow,
you're getting tagged again with a potential cheating scandal. Potent
getting tagged. And then they had to follow one guy
who who quit was a golf pro with living in Hawaii,
and they shoot Hawaii to interview him about it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And it was crazy. But that's how big Spygate was It.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Went on over a period of time for a couple
of months where every couple of days was something new.
And I guarantee you the Internet is going to bring
us something new every couple of days.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
There's a good one from earlier. Ready, I've got one
for you. Brian Fanseka f O n s CA beat
reporter for New Jersey Advanced Media. He's the Rutgers beat reporter.
I had a picture. It was from Rutgers in Virginia
Tech and you got the student section and right in
(24:54):
the middle of it is a guy with a Michigan hoodie.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, you know what, You're just stupid. If you're going
to spy on a on a on a game, don't wear.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
The in the middle of the section in a Michigan
hoodie and.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Half he's not holding anything, but it's like, why are
you going there?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna wear my best Michigan Why would you
do that?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
A screenshot via the Big Ten Network and the parenthetical
did Michigan send an advanced scout into the Rutgers student
section to check out the Scarlet Knights in person? If
they did, he did not do a great job of
blending in.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Hey, it works.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Wall though. Oh he's not even trying anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He's just standing right there. He's telling everybody, I get
out of my way? Can you move? I can't see
I can't see.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Simpsons predicted it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I can't see the sides on the field. Now, look,
I'm telling you this story is just going to get
bigger and bigger, and it will be this. Look we
call it ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, this is now a story that's gonna take over
college football because Michigan is this good. Harbaugh is the
rock star head coach in college football not named Deon Sanders.
And now that Michigan is undefeated and Deon Sanders has
a couple of losses, well, the world is gonna become
all about this. And you're gonna see other coaches way
in they're gonna talk about it, and and schools that
(26:14):
hate Michigan are gonna say, yeah, we kind of had this.
We thought this was kind of weird, but we blew
it off. I mean every couple of days, and Michigan
is gonna get tagged on this.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Remember when we thought this was all about hamburgers?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, I know, right, just cheeseburgers, Just a cheeseburger. Would
have been a lot simpler, wouldn't it. Just some improper
cheeseburgers and chili fries.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They're gonna live this thing for the rest of the
college football season. Like, we don't have room for a
lot of national stories in college football because college football
is so regionalized. Basically, we just pay attention to, Hey,
the teams that are at the top, and where can
they go because we're all interested in the playoff. Colorado
cut through because it was you know, hey, they became
America's team for a few weeks, and everything Colorado did
(26:59):
we wanted to see because of Deon Sanders. You love Dion,
you hated Dion, but you paid attention. Michigan's kind of
the same way. You love harbball, you hate harbball. But
this is a cheating scandal involving one of the biggest
heritage programs in the history of college football.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
They've been playing.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
College football at Michigan since the sixteen hundreds. I mean,
they won national championships by beating the Pilgrims to win.
And this is how big a den now here's Michigan
accused of this scandal. This is gonna take over and
it's gonna be teams winning.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And here's more.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Look, I'm already looking through many people. I'm watching every
replay of the Rutgers Michigan game in the first half
to see what they could possibly be talking about. I'm
watching rewatching this game here. I mean, it's gonna be.
Every couple of days, I guarantee you. Tomorrow I'll give
you this guarantee. Tomorrow and we're doing the show, there
will be at least one big story added to this
(27:48):
that looks like, hey, was this Michigan stealing signs illegally?
I guarantee you, now, whether it's legit or not, but
it's gonna be something that gains a lot of attention,
gets a lot of momentum on social media, and it
becomes something we talk about this time tomorrow, there's gonna
be at least one more of those stories, really big,
one more of these Greg Chiano type stories that we're
gonna have tomorrow
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