October 31, 2023 • 35 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the Lions and Raiders facing off on Monday night. Jason gives his thoughts on what he thinks should happen ahead of Tuesday's NFL trade deadline, and NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to highlight a couple big names that could be on the move.
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be My Lions Mike Carmon, My Lions at Lions, They're
going to the Super Bowl. They're dominating this game against
the Raiders. In sixteen seven, they're driving. Jamir Gibbs is
breaking out. He gets a first down Yay, eighteen touches
ninety seven yards from scrimmage, running over people, jumping over people,
and then Jared Goff, and I don't understand what the
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hell he was doing. I don't understand. He's rolling out
to the right and it looks like he should just
throw the football away, right, he should just throw it away,
just throw it out of bounds, except he just kind
of lolly pops it to the sideline where Peters is
right there. I'm and Ross Saint Brown has no chance
of the football and it's an easy pick six that
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gets the Raiders back into this sixteen fourteen. That was
the Jared Goff that I remember from the end of
his days in LA where oh ah, yeah, that's not hey,
he could be the MVP Jared Goff. That's a Jared
Goff fireman from Oh they gotta get Jared Goff out
of LA That was watch and I watch all of
Zach Wilson yesterday, and I'm telling you how bad that
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pass was for Jared Goff. You know what I'm seeing.
It is Halloween. Like nothing that we watch of a
horror movie franchise will top what the Jets and Giants
put on tape yesterday. But that throw, right, he's under duress,
starts to move up in the pocket, looks to the sideline,
see Saint Brown who's kind of cutting off his route.
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He's not expecting the ball to come out there at all. No,
and then Golf doesn't wing it out there. It's kind
of a soft toss, like you know, I can get
it out to him, and Peters jumps it perfectly, dances
on the sideline, a little bit evades would be one
would be tackler, and that was it. Off to the races,
and suddenly we got ourselves a ballgame. You go through
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the first half and you look at time of possession
and just dominance when they had to settle for those
three field goals. The entire time, you're sitting there a
bit uneasy, I think if you're a Lions fan, because
you've seen the script before for many, many years of
we can build a little bit of a lead, but
it's tenuous, right, We're not taking advantage of these opportunities.
Great field position, you talk about turnovers, trading between the
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Lions and Garoppolo's interception at one point, all of these things,
and you were able to only put up the nine
points before the touchdown passed to the port towards the
end of the first half. But now all of a sudden,
do you pucker a little bit. Monday Night football, first
time you've had it in a couple of years. This
is a crowd, get a little bit more quiet. I
don't know, it's gonna be curious here, you know. And
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here's the thing is that with everything we saw in
the NFL this weekend, right, all the big teams we
thought were great. Remember three weeks ago when the Niners
are winning the Super Bowl, Remember that those are the days.
Well they still could we watched because nobody's great. We
watched all of these teams, right, and they all of
the big teams have problems. And the Lions, with a
win tonight, you could say, all right, a workmanlike victory
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over the Raiders. They go to six and two. You're
seeing them use a little bit more of the assets
that were new this year. Again, Jamiir Gibbs is getting
a lot of responsibil now, and it turns out, hey,
maybe Dan Campbell knew what he was doing. Let's not
overload Jamiir Gibbs early. We use Montgomery. Montgomery's hurt. Now, Hey,
they have a fresh running back for the last half
of the season, and not a Jamiir Gibbs who maybe
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hits the wall week eleven, Week twelve, so let's give
him a little bit of credit, and Gibbs is now
a guy that's making plays all the time. You're still
trying to get Jamison Williams back involved, and there's a
lot of footballs to go around. This would have been
that game, or this could be that game where you say, hey,
man taking the Lions pretty seriously, and I could say,
I told you the Lions are going to the super
Bowl beginning of the season. But this could be that game,
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except they're back in a Lion's gonna lion because that
passed by Chared goff Man, I don't even done. I
think Zach Wilson is tweeting about how bad a pass
that was. All right, that's enough of Zach Wilson jokes. No,
that was so bad. It's into the show. We got
three hours and fifty four minutes of show that will
probably reference Zach Wilson at least a couple of times.
I mean, you're wearing a Zach dh sweatshirt and support
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of you with hey, it's a win for your coure.
Three in a row. That's three in a row. It's
three in a row. As we always say gotta be pretty,
just be close, and literally, before you know, missed his
thirty five yard field goal attempt. I had turned the
folks to so grab you know, so kicking. I'm like, yeah,
he already disclosed that he needs knee surgery, so why
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he's still kicking, I don't know. And then he shakees.
It's like, wow, that was prophetic, now, wasn't it. But yeah,
here we go. We got a two point game spread
on this one was eight and a half from reports
out of Vegas earlier. A lot of money line bets
on the Raiders earlier today. Now, before we get to
the World Series, let me just say this about the
Jets Giants game yesterday. Yeah, it was the equivalent. It
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was the Midsummer of football games. Okay, yeah, it was
because Midsommar. But you know how I feel about Midsummer
the movie. And I still can't believe you showed it
to your kids when they were like.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sometimes you know, those are harsh lessons and things and
rights of passage that you go through, just like at Midsommer.
What's that? It's a bear? Uh, It's like it's like mitsa.
I'm glad I saw it. I'm glad I saw it
because it was it had so much a movie, right,
that's so much in it. But I never want to
see it again. No, I get that, right, And that's
not understanding. I mean, you'll never look at Cheety the
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same way again. No, poor Cheety, I never may. Maybe
that's how he died in the Good Place. Maybe we
just didn't get that story. Uh sorry, spoilerler part of
a giant universe. It's the Midsummer universe. You know the office, Yeah,
the Good Place takes place in the Midsummer Universe. I
don't if you know that or not. But I'm like,
it was like the Midsummer Games. I'm glad I watch it.
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I never want to have to watch it again, though,
I mean that's kind of how I feel. I never
want to have to watch it again, like because it
was because the entire game all I'm sitting there saying
to myself, I'm going the Giants are going to win
this game, and they're not going to complete a pass
for the last forty minutes of the game, and they're
going to finish with minus eight yards passing, and they're
still gonna find a way to win this game, and
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we're still gonna lose, and I'm thinking, where is this
his worst Jets losses ever? Where is this? This is
the worst And this may be the worst NFL game
in the history of the game. It was so awful
and the Jets are gonna lose it. I go, not
only the worst game, but we're gonna lose it. Where
does that put us? And then they pull it out
with a miracle and I go, okay, now we can
deal with because Brian Dable's gonna get fired, So okay,
we'll deal with that, and said, okay, not the Jets.
(07:09):
I dodged that bullet dodged that for at Okay, great,
Now it's about the Giants, and thank you Giants for
giving that game to the But there were a bunch
of plays. You and I talking about it the game yesterday,
texting back and forth, and even before the show going
into sequences and business decisions, sat quon Barkley, Oh yeah, yeah.
But the one thing if the Giants had won, wouldn't
would that have been the first Syracuse quarterback to win
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a game since Donovan McNabb retired. Oh don't. I don't
think Ryan Nasa won a game with a Giant, you
know what I mean, the NFL as a whole. Hang on,
hang on, what do we get back? Let me go back,
hang on, let me go back, Let me go back here.
Tommy de Vedo, Eric Dungee never won a game. I
don't think Ryan Nasa won a game. Greg Paulus didn't
make it to the NFL A bunch of guys before.
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I think he might have been the end of Donovan mcgett.
That's a long time. He might have been the first
guy to score. He might have been the first Syracuse
quarterback to have a touchdown. I'm trying to think the
last since mcnead, the last quarterback to have even have
a touchdown, because I don't know that Ryan Natsa played
enough for the Giants to get it to throw a
touchdown preseason, probably, but I don't know if he played enough
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in the regular season at all. He gonna be the
first touchdown touchdown Tommy DeVito and I'm saying to go,
of course, Tommy DeVito X Syracuse guy who couldn't couldn't
win the job, so he transferred to Illinois. He's gonna
win this game. Nash did have one, did one touchdown?
Throw oh, he appeared in twenty fifteen. Okay, and he
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went five for five for sixty eight yards in a score. Wow,
that was his NFL career, is it? There?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You go?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He appeared, well, he appeared in four games in twenty fourteen,
but twenty fifteen was where he threw a touchdown pass.
So we did it. We found the answer to that
trivia question pretty fast. But let me just say, because
I you know it is we're getting closer to thanks
to you. If they show Jack Harlowe at the game, who's
going to be performing on things? He still keep trying
to this guy happened football people don't want any party.
Yeah yeah, Jack right, remember when he was the guest
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picker and everybody who is this guy try? You're not
gonna make fetch happen. It's gonna be tough to make
Jack Carlow happen. But let me say this, I really
I you know, in time of talking about giving thanks
we get close to Halloween and then the sprint to Thanksgiving.
I want to thank Saquon Barkley for sliding on the
Giants last possession of the game yesterday, where had he
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just kept running and gotten the first down? The game
was over, but instead I'm going to slide and as
a result, the Giants can't get a first down, Gonna
misses the field goal, and the Jets go on to win.
We would not have won without Saquon Barkley saying no,
I'm going to slide in the middle of the field
rather than pick up a first down on the final
possession and the Jets don't have timeouts to stop the clock.
I'm gonna slide down and make a business decision in
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the middle of the field. We would have not won
that game if not for Saquon Barkley. Thank you, Saquon,
thank you, Thank you. Whatever the Jets do this year,
it is all available and all possible because you decided
I'm gonna slide here, I'm gonna be smarter than everybody else,
and I'm gonna cost the Giants the game. I will
say this. You know there are all often times, you know,
you and I will watch games here as part of
the show and breaking things down as they happen. But
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there are even more times that you want the helmet
cam view. Can I see what made him make that
business decision? Because it is Henry Winkler's seventy eighth birthday.
I can make a Malachi Crunch reference. I think Demolition Derby.
He probably thought too much and thought, Okay, I'm gonna
get hit by a dB and a Linstown and I
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can't fumble, and I don't want to fumble, and that's
probably what But he would have gotten the first down
he would have gotten, he would have gotten another four
or five yards easy, and at that point, you know,
then the game is over. I'm done. But I'm sure
he thought, I don't want to get hit because what
if I fumble? So I'm just gonna go down And
that turned out to be the worst thing you could do.
And thanks to Caveon Thibodeau for getting called off side
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at the end of regulation, stopping the clock because the
Jets wouldn't have gotten the last second. Feel so I
gotta thank all the Giants for all so thank you
since we're spending a lot of time I had this
Giant Jets game. Obviously in the pregame, your quarterback who
showed up for five snaps just get things started, hates
coming back. Man hates coming back. I'm not convinced he
actually had anything really wrong with him other than a
(11:11):
spring at this point, so you think maybe this is
like part of the script. Hey, Rogers isn't really hurt,
but he's gonna come back and very heroically, Like they're
making up that he had an achilles. Once you're injured,
but like, unless I get a full documentary, I mean,
I mean full on, we go and we get from
from diagnoses. Here's the films, here's the surgery, all of that,
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all the gruesome bloody footage to go along with our
Halloween theme. At this point, watching him up and around
like either you know, I'm gonna start thinking of another
higher power. It's because it's electric around the jets man.
I mean you see this and you see all of
a sudden he's dropping back and throwing, and he made
sure that I'm dropping back and I'm putting some nip
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on the football man, Like maybe that's it. Maybe it's
not really achilles. Maybe that's that's what it is. Hey.
The script calls for you to pretend to be injured.
You're gonna sit out here to pay a lot of
attention to you. Then you come back at the end heroically,
and that's the script. And Arian Foster knows this well.
It would be one of the great face of all time,
right because he was the heel. Yeah right, he was
(12:17):
the He still does poke the bear and in his
paid appearances with McAfee, I mean he'll still say some
stuff to Rakle uh you know, get some folks a
bit salty. Well, what he did yesterday was they wanted
to talk to him after the game. He said, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do interviews until I come back. Dude,
you're on TV, You're on McAfee show every Tuesday. You
won't talk to us though, No, no, no, you're gonna ask
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you to talk to us. You're ain't gonna ask me
real questions. I'm not thinking. Come on, man, I mean
I don't do interviews until the end of the season.
I don't do it unless it's scripted. You're on McAfee
show every Tuesday and they're paying you all kinds of money.
You could talk to the local guy for five seconds
because McAfee is just gonna wash him up. Local guy
might ask him a hard question. No, all I want
to do is say, hey, what'd you talk what'd you
talk about? With Zach and the end because he's on
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the headset. I'm telling you, Jets head coach Aaron Rodgers. Uh,
he's on the headset doing a lot of things, and
it's all right, let's try this, let's try this. He
wants the spotlight to be on Zach and away from it,
and I understand that, but to say the I'm not
gonna talk until I come back, Like, dude, what do
you mean, you're you're everywhere? I want the spotlight on.
I want the spotlight on Zach. But for the game,
I'm gonna be out here throwing so everybody can see me.
(13:23):
What do you mean not on a practice field, not
on a practice No, no, I'm do it in the background. No, no, no,
watch me. Hey, how bout how full is the crowd?
And are the pregame shows up? They're up and running right.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, no, it's uh yeah, the pregame shows went on
about four minutes ago. Do they have the cameras on yet?
Are they shooting video?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It looks like they're the sideline from this spot. Yet
I'm gonna goad. I'm gonna go throw a couple of passes.
Just make sure they're kind of rolling on me, all right,
Great so they can see me, all right? Awesome? No,
it's his That's that's what it is. But it doesn't
matter because he's coming back. You know. It's all set
Christmas time. It's a countdown to Santa Claus and Aaron Rodgers.
That's kind of what's going to I'm gonna have is
Aaron Rodgers advent calendar in my house going. I'm gonna
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open and eat chocolate every day waiting for it. One
of these days is gonna be Aaron Rodgers returns. Aaron
Rodgers returns. Oh, the Aaron Rodgers bending baton bending first
snap that he takes from the game, I will be
sitting there with a giant gingerbread man and I will
rip off that right leg and I will eat it. Yeah,
they cut right. Makes his first snap a snap eight.
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the bottom of the eighth inning, the Rangers are up
over the Diamondbacks. Max Schurzer goes three innings, comes out
with an injury. John Gray came in to pitch extremely well.
The Texas pitching looks like on the verge of giving
them a two games to one lead in the World Series.
We'll have more on that coming up. And that's Seeger guy. Yeah,
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What did I tell you? It's like NBA Jam, It's
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it's Seeger and Seeger and Garcia versus Carolyn Marte and
there it is. That's what happens. But we'll have more
on the NFL coming up next. What is next for
the forty nine ers? I thought brock Perty was the MVP.
What's next with the Vikings? It's trade deadline? Eve?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Eve?
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Where right now they're sweating Chapman. Bottom of the eighth inning,
e rolled as Chapman in for the Rangers, Diamondbacks have
a runner at second, nobody out. They trail three to nothing.
That's another base hit. Diamondbacks have a run in. One
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run is going to so make it a three to
one game. Nobody out, runner at first. Oh boy, sweating Chapman. Uh. Meanwhile,
a big update here. Adolas Garcia has left the game
for the Rangers final at battle last inning. He flew out,
looked like he was grabbing his chest, didn't really run
down to first base. A strained oblique on his left side.
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So he has left the game and of course losing
a Dolus Garcia is whoa can we still win the
World Series without him? So you can still win the
one man, But I don't know, man, he's like worth
like ten men. I mean, I know he's worth. We
had a bit out who the substitution is in our
NBA Jams scenario. Yeah, but yes, Oh so anyway, that's
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where we sit right now. One run in, three to
one Rangers, bottom of the eighth inning. The Lions are
in the end zone Jamiir Gibbs. The breakout game continues,
a twenty seven yard rushing touchdown for him, making a
twenty two to fourteen lead for the Lions. He jumps
into the crowd, look at the Lions, the Lions, Lions line,
important extra point here, Let's not be no. There's plenty
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one O five seven the Fan in Baltimore. It's Jason
locking for it. Jay. What's happening, buddy?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What's going on? Gentlemen?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, so I'm all trying to figure out who the
best guy the Jets can get into trade, who the
Vikings can get in the trade. Now suddenly this trade deadline, Jay,
is really interesting all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, obviously, it's been kind of ramping up incrementally from
year to year, and last year it kind of hit, which,
you know, an unprecedented level and what we thought was
a fever pitch. And look, as far as I'm concerned,
there's already been basically two or three trades. You obviously
had the one today that significant, right, I mean I
think you go back to New England acquiring Ac Jackson
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a few weeks before the deadline, right, I mean that's
kind of where it started. And we've seen you know,
lesser stuff Withicle Hardman, a few things kicking around. Obviously,
the Seahawks made a significant move today. The Eagles made
a significant move last week to add buyers. So I
mean those are those that I mean for me, those
are deadline moves. And yeah, I think you know, we'll
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still see a fair amount of activity tomorrow. How many
blockbusters are there? You know, history would say not as
many as you hope for. But I am optimistic that
teams are going to look at this landscape and say,
my god, who are the like, Who's a super team?
Who's a great team? You know? Why not us? And
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if the old school New York football giants are willing
to eat that much salary right to facilitate the acquisition
of draft picks, then who, like there can't be any
other funny dudies like you know what I mean. If
that's what they're willing to do, who could say that's
you know, beneath me or I'm above that. Like no,
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that's that's modern you know, that's modern team building and
that's reality. And there are some teams that are certainly
not going to contend for a super Bowl this year,
and who know they are far away from contending for
a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So if I said to you, if I said, all right,
I got money to go to Vegas and you gave
me the biggest name, you wouldn't be surprised to see
move tomorrow. Who would you give me biggest name? You
wouldn't be surprised if he get traded by the deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I mean nothing, nothing would really shock me at this point.
I mean, I know there's all these people who can't
wait to tell you how much Derek Henry can't be traded.
But then there's always a caveat of that, you know,
then there's always the well and that's the latest thing
somebody whispered to me right now. But obviously the deadline
is not until four o'clock Tuesday. Like everybody has a price,
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you know, Saquon. If the Giants did that, if they
just like, how was what they did today? How would
that be any different than trading Darren Waller, It's essentially
the same things. If you're not eating the money to
facilitate the trade. Now you already ate the money. You
ate the money when you get all that money up front, right,
you get them all that money up front, and now
the base salary is nothing. Okay, well why wouldn't he
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be He got hurt yesterday, so that that might complicate things.
I don't think it's a super you know, long term
ham string thing, but like why, I mean, people are
thinking that way. That's not I mean when I talk
to gms and stuff about ideas like that, they don't
think it's crazy or outside the box, especially when you
have someone who's carrying that small of a salary. So yeah,
(20:41):
I expect. I look, those conversations are taking place, and
what gets consummated obviously the deadline spurs action. I mean
right now, teams are holding out in many cases for
much more than what people think, you know, they're going
to get. And we'll see in the end how willing
to some of these owners are to eat salary, or
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how eager some of these owners are to dump salary,
And that's ultimately you know a lot of times, what's
the difference between all talk and no action and something
getting consummated. But I mean, throw a name at me, like, well,
I don't. I don't think anything's out of the rum
of possibility.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Quarterbacks like the good could you see the vikings in
a quarterback, whether it's Matt Jones or Ryan Tannehill or
somebody like that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well, I mean it's hard, you know, it's hard to
make those moves in the middle of the season. And
even when Garoppolo got traded, it took him about a
month before he played. But like I mean, just obbs,
you know what I mean, Like even before even if
he wouldn't have got be like, he's played pretty decent
football this season. He's better than what some teams have.
(21:44):
Tannehill has been available since this, you know, since before
the season. Now they've got to be realistic about what
you're going to get for him under these circumstances. But no,
that I mean, and he's obviously banged up as well,
But no, I don't that it wouldn't surprise me. Again,
there's got to be sort of a scheme fit, right,
There's probably got to be some familiarity with a coach
(22:04):
on that staff or had played there before. To try
to expedite this thing in time. But yeah, I mean
DeAndre Hopkins like the Titans are going to make more moves.
There's no doubt in my mind. There might be too
set up, too much sentimentality, ultimately a tied to Derrick
Henry and then wanting you know, a second and something
else which is just not gonna happen. But like Deniko Autry,
(22:26):
I think is as good as gone. I think they'd
love for somebody to take Harold Landry salary off their hands.
I just don't know that that team exists. But yeah,
Ryan Tanneh wouldn't be out of the question whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The Heineke tune. Maybe Kyler Murray, well, I'm just saying,
like the fact that he's now up for potentially starting
didn't think we'd get to this point. I really thought
it would end up being Dobbs Dune and whoever. But
potentially Kyler Murray back for the Cardinals when draft pick
(23:00):
just looks so pretty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Out there, Well, look, I don't I don't think they're
going to set the light on you know, the world
on fire with Kyler Murray. I don't think there's so
much worried about that as he gets hurt, now, you
know what I mean, he's going for off season surgery
and more guarant injury guarantees kick in and he becomes
untradable in the offseason. I think it's much more about
that than them think. I mean, that thing, that thing
(23:23):
stop built to win, and he's he's not. I mean,
let's let's let's not lose sight of just how pathetic
he was. Then we can blame a lot of it
on Kingsbury, I guess if we want to. But this
guy hasn't inspired a whole lot. And it was absolutely
that leak crazy that they gave him that contract when
they did it, and it didn't take him very long
to regret it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Jenny, I want to take you back. I'm going to
test your memory here. I want to go all the
way back. I want to go all the way back
three weeks ago when brock Party was the MVP of
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
No, Well, you know, life comes out too fast, is it? Is?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It just teams are making him do more and we're
seeing his limitations. All of a sudden, the forty nine
ers went from I don't know who beats them to
now they've lost three in a row.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, I'm I mean, I'm not shocked. And this idea
that like, well, they just can't lose three games, Like well,
why can't they lose three games? Like why can't Kyl
shanahand lose three games? Why can't anybody in this league
lose three straight games, especially when you're without the key
components that they have, And like, no one's really talking
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about Trent Williams. He's the one who makes the whole thing.
Go think about what that thing looked like before they
went and got them and gave them all that money
and prayed that he'd stay healthy more likely and more
often than not, which had not been the case with
him for the last what three years at least that
he was in Washington. And if you look at their
DVA and EPA, it's one thing with him and then
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the debo thing, which is a positionless guy who's you know,
super hard to defend and complicates things. And you take
the two of them out and the running back is
sort of hobbled, right, and he's not as explosive as
still scores two touchdowns every week, which is nuts, but
like that's not the same and they weren't a big
downfield passing team to begin with, Like it is what
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it is, brock Braeson, brock Brady's not going to beat
you with uber athleticism. He's not going to beat you
with the biggest arm in the world. He like he
was a function of something that they had built and
he came in and the bar couldn't be any lower, right,
I mean literally, it's like, let's find somebody with a
heartbeat he's been in the system, who hopefully can stay
healthy for more than like, you know, quarter And he
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did that, and then he completed some forward passes and
it was like the greatest thing ever. And then he's
in the offseason program and he's the number one and
you know, he's got good coaches and a great team
around him, and it looks the part. I mean, but
the defense, all the defense ain't the same thing either.
I Mean, the whole thing was kind of predicated on
them rolling up thirty some points a game, right, thirty three,
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And they hadn't lost at home in a year, and
they hadn't lost the regular season games since McCaffrey got there, Like,
was all that going to continue? No, what's it gonna
look like when the cast around him isn't special. Well,
he don't want some special either. I mean that's not
really a huge knock on him. I mean, how many
games has he started, right, I mean he's basically one
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year into this, and i'mike, some guys he can't default
to just make something spectacular happen outside the pocket when
everything breaks down, like go off script and win third
and nine by yourself, like dude, that those guys aren't available,
you know, at the mister irrelevant spot. So you know,
I think he's he's got his limitations, and they've got
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their warts and everything's been exposed, and can they get
healthy and be much better down the stretch. Yeah, but boy,
oh boy, you better hope the left had If the
offensive line isn't special, forget about it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last week, boy, real quick, Jason, the Steelers amongst other teams.
You usually it was fans, local radio hosts and well
usbloviating on national networks, can planning about referees. Now we've
got teams doing a Steelers going on down the line.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
But Johnson, he's on fire.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah exactly. But like the number of times I'm watching
games and we see flags throwing it and then we're
seeing them picked up. I think there's an inordinate number
of those happening in twenty twenty three. Did you really
see it? Nah? Maybe not? All right, I'll pick it
up last night watching Look the Bears got drummed. But
watch that game. Officials reaching for the flag, double clutch. Nah,
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I'm not gonna throw it like you saw something? You
pick that? What up are we doing with that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It seems to be much more of an epidemic than
in years past. It is definitely, uh, a little bit baffling.
I don't know, you know, if it's the eye in
the sky, you know what I mean, because they've got
the like I mean, I know there's things that are
supposed to and not supposed to do, but you know,
they've got ways to convey things to these guys, and
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you know some of these balls being respotted and whatever.
I wonder if some of that's coming from New York.
But yes, it used to be you'd see them pick
up a flag and be like, man, I haven't seen
them do that a while. And now it's like, oh,
I haven't seen them do that since the one o'clock window.
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the Lions make it twenty six to fourteen, still ten
minutes ago in the fourth quarter, and I don't believe
DeVante Adams, Jacobi Meyers, Fred Blittnikoff, Clin Tim Brown, Cliff Branch,
none of them have caught it past tonight. Now they's
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has one key, He's got one. Meyer has one for
nineteen yards. No congratulations Koby Myers owners particularly one in
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the guillotine league that we're in here. Yeah, Network, Yeah,
he's got a big goose egg which is allowing bershinger.
At some point he may get to do that victory
dance like he did a week again. Yeah, this big
Guillotine League thing is taken over here, So we'll have
more on that coming up in a bit, and more
on the World Series Toaly three to one lead by
the Rangers in the ninth inning over the Dimebacks are
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going to take a two games to one league. But
big stuff out of the NFL. We have trade deadline
tomorrow and everybody's wondering what's gonna happen. Jason Lockinforth says,
nothing would surprise me. Nothing would surprise me. Okay. The
thing that needs to happen tomorrow is that we need
to see big wide receivers and big quarterbacks move. And
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I mean I don't mean like, hey, you're gonna see
two I get traded. But the Vikings absolutely have to
go get a quarterback. They have nobody behind Kirk Cousins.
Fran Tarkenton is about to come out and throw the
football and starting to win again. And now with Kirk
Cousins out for the year with the torn achilles, his
career is over with the vin Minnesota Vikings. Right He's
a thirty five year old quarterback, gonna be thirty six
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coming back from the torn achilles they're gonna move on.
You're four and four. Your division stinks, all right, Your
division is not great. I mean, the Lions are the
best team, and we're seeing tonight they're one of the
best teams in the NFL. I told you Lion's going
to the Super It's still struggling at times with the
Lowly Raiders, who while I say lowly Raiders, should they
be able to come back and win this game, they
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would go to five hundred. That's how strange the NFL is.
Should there's still a little bit of Lions left in
the Lions and still a little bit of there again
until the clocks strike zero. You believe bad things can happen.
I get it, But you can't punt on it. You
can't punt on the season. You have to go get
somebody because you don't have anybody behind Kirk Cousins and
the guys that should be traded. All right, I'll tell
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you these quarterbacks should be moved no matter what. Tomorrow.
I tell you three guys that should be dealt under three.
Three guys absolutely on Ryan Tannehill should be at His
injury is not that big a deal. And at this
point you had will Levis throw for four touchdowns. You
still have Malik Willis so you took in the first
round last year. These guys need to see the field, right.
You don't need Ryan Tannehill. He should absolutely get traded.
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Mac Jones should get traded. You know he's not the
future in New England. You may as well tank at
this point it's over. Maybe Malie Cunningham goes from I'm
on the team, I'm not on the team. I got
a three year contract. I'm waived. But something has to happen.
It's clearly not mac Jones. He needs to go, and
the other one a backup. That's kind of interesting, but
you can do it because you have three guys there.
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Davis Mills should be dealt to a team then needing
a quarterback because you got CJ. Stroud, you have Case
Keenham as well. Maybe the Vikings would want case Keenan
back that magical year they had with the Minneapolis Miracle.
But those are three quarterbacks should be traded no matter what. Tannehill,
mac Jones, Davis Mills, those guys should get dealt. There
should be big wide receivers available, but there should be
quarterbacks dealt. The Vikings should get one of them. The
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Jets should get one of them, because as much as
you like Zack Wilson, Zach Wilson, oh my goodness, Zach
Wilson was awful. Zack Wilson was terrible. The Jets should
go get one of these guys because you need somebody
until eight comes back at the end of the year,
because eight's coming back. But you need somebody because you
don't want to give it away because suddenly Zack Wilson, boy,
he can't have another Houdini escape like he had yesterday.
So there's teams that should be going to get quarterback.
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Jets and the Vikings and the Steelers should go get
a quarterback too, because with Kenny Pickett hurt and not
playing well, you don't want to give the season away.
You're still playing well, you're five hundred, you're still all right.
Go get somebody because if Kenny Pickett stinks or is hurt,
you want somebody else. And I'm sorry, buddy, but just
went right pat Sorry, sorry, buddy, he was not good. Buddy,
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he was not good. You gotta do something. Those guys
got to get quarterbacks. Those are quarterbacks should be available.
Maybe maybe folks will realize that the hope defense of
the Jaguars isn't as bad as some would have made
it out to be. Uh, and blame Canada and fire
Canada is a resounding chant at every Pittsburgh is establishment
for a reason. Another name that's been interesting bandied about,
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and our guy Frostburg sent us the photoshop worked out
photo of him of Jamis Winston, who's sitting there, you know,
as part of the Saints of wondering if do they
trust Taysom Hill right, He's been a night great option yesterday,
did his work as a tight end. You win this game,
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Derek Carr, whatever they had to do and break brand
and everybody hugged each other or whatever that they got
right and made some plays downfield. But another name, just
to kind of toss it out there, Mills, a guy
who's in no man's land, has played some NFL and
has played well. Yeah again, you know, at some point
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the Texans will cobble together a group of five guys
that can keep someone upright, which is a challenge for
many NFL teams. Right here, for your Jets, you need
a receiver, I think more than a quarterback. You you
got Garrett and a whole lot else, everybody else. So
if you can go find someone else that's in the marketplace,
and maybe yesterday's results help teams pause and maybe recognize
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and admit a little more where they are in the
packing order, because coming into this week, there are very
few teams that you'd say they have no chance in hell,
like even the Bears before the game against the Charger, Like,
if stupid things happen, you're looking at a stretch where
you're gonna play the Chargers, followed by the Saints, followed
by the Panthers. All of a sudden, you could potentially
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be five, five and five. Now they went out and
got absolutely drummed and shown for the frauds they were
as a coaching staff, and obviously everybody that was thinking
Bagent was going to be a hero. Maybe you get
right and get fixed there and maybe just pause before
you say hot take nonsense. But tomorrow's going to be
interesting till four PM. I would expect to see a
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lot of pieces moved. The hard part is again the
offensive line that's on the wish list of everybody. You
really got to come up with a giant bounty, that's
if you're gonna move. So tough. I don't know. See,
I don't know that OL's are gonna move like I
don't know that. But nobody has enough to get rid
of any because you still have to protect whoever's quarterbacking
for you, even if you're trying to quit the year,
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you want to get a guy through upright. But as
we were talking about with Jason locking for I mean,
we're at that point in the season where we're getting
into the very long list of other quarterbacks earning starts
in twenty twenty three. Those teams should trade for quarterbacks.
Those quarterbacks should be dealt. That should happen tomorrow. Twitter,
how about a Fresco Mike, It's Swallen Dome coming up next.
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A couple of big quarterback topics in the NFL. Keep
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be My Lions Mike Carmon, My Lions at Lions, They're
going to the Super Bowl. They're dominating this game against
the Raiders. In sixteen seven, they're driving. Jamir Gibbs is
breaking out. He gets a first down Yay, eighteen touches
ninety seven yards from scrimmage, running over people, jumping over people,
and then Jared Goff, and I don't understand what the
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hell he was doing. I don't understand. He's rolling out
to the right and it looks like he should just
throw the football away, right, he should just throw it away,
just throw it out of bounds, except he just kind
of lolly pops it to the sideline where Peters is
right there. I'm and Ross Saint Brown has no chance
of the football and it's an easy pick six that
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gets the Raiders back into this sixteen fourteen. That was
the Jared Goff that I remember from the end of
his days in LA where oh ah, yeah, that's not hey,
he could be the MVP Jared Goff. That's a Jared
Goff fireman from Oh they gotta get Jared Goff out
of LA That was watch and I watch all of
Zach Wilson yesterday, and I'm telling you how bad that
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pass was for Jared Goff. You know what I'm seeing.
It is Halloween. Like nothing that we watch of a
horror movie franchise will top what the Jets and Giants
put on tape yesterday. But that throw, right, he's under duress,
starts to move up in the pocket, looks to the sideline,
see Saint Brown who's kind of cutting off his route.
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He's not expecting the ball to come out there at all. No,
and then Golf doesn't wing it out there. It's kind
of a soft toss, like you know, I can get
it out to him, and Peters jumps it perfectly, dances
on the sideline, a little bit evades would be one
would be tackler, and that was it. Off to the races,
and suddenly we got ourselves a ballgame. You go through
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the first half and you look at time of possession
and just dominance when they had to settle for those
three field goals. The entire time, you're sitting there a
bit uneasy, I think if you're a Lions fan, because
you've seen the script before for many, many years of
we can build a little bit of a lead, but
it's tenuous, right, We're not taking advantage of these opportunities.
Great field position, you talk about turnovers, trading between the
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Lions and Garoppolo's interception at one point, all of these things,
and you were able to only put up the nine
points before the touchdown passed to the port towards the
end of the first half. But now all of a sudden,
do you pucker a little bit. Monday Night football, first
time you've had it in a couple of years. This
is a crowd, get a little bit more quiet. I
don't know, it's gonna be curious here, you know. And
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here's the thing is that with everything we saw in
the NFL this weekend, right, all the big teams we
thought were great. Remember three weeks ago when the Niners
are winning the Super Bowl, Remember that those are the days.
Well they still could we watched because nobody's great. We
watched all of these teams, right, and they all of
the big teams have problems. And the Lions, with a
win tonight, you could say, all right, a workmanlike victory
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over the Raiders. They go to six and two. You're
seeing them use a little bit more of the assets
that were new this year. Again, Jamiir Gibbs is getting
a lot of responsibil now, and it turns out, hey,
maybe Dan Campbell knew what he was doing. Let's not
overload Jamiir Gibbs early. We use Montgomery. Montgomery's hurt. Now, Hey,
they have a fresh running back for the last half
of the season, and not a Jamiir Gibbs who maybe
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hits the wall week eleven, Week twelve, so let's give
him a little bit of credit, and Gibbs is now
a guy that's making plays all the time. You're still
trying to get Jamison Williams back involved, and there's a
lot of footballs to go around. This would have been
that game, or this could be that game where you say, hey,
man taking the Lions pretty seriously, and I could say,
I told you the Lions are going to the super
Bowl beginning of the season. But this could be that game,
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except they're back in a Lion's gonna lion because that
passed by Chared goff Man, I don't even done. I
think Zach Wilson is tweeting about how bad a pass
that was. All right, that's enough of Zach Wilson jokes. No,
that was so bad. It's into the show. We got
three hours and fifty four minutes of show that will
probably reference Zach Wilson at least a couple of times.
I mean, you're wearing a Zach dh sweatshirt and support
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of you with hey, it's a win for your coure.
Three in a row. That's three in a row. It's
three in a row. As we always say gotta be pretty,
just be close, and literally, before you know, missed his
thirty five yard field goal attempt. I had turned the
folks to so grab you know, so kicking. I'm like, yeah,
he already disclosed that he needs knee surgery, so why
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he's still kicking, I don't know. And then he shakees.
It's like, wow, that was prophetic, now, wasn't it. But yeah,
here we go. We got a two point game spread
on this one was eight and a half from reports
out of Vegas earlier. A lot of money line bets
on the Raiders earlier today. Now, before we get to
the World Series, let me just say this about the
Jets Giants game yesterday. Yeah, it was the equivalent. It
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was the Midsummer of football games. Okay, yeah, it was
because Midsommar. But you know how I feel about Midsummer
the movie. And I still can't believe you showed it
to your kids when they were like.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sometimes you know, those are harsh lessons and things and
rights of passage that you go through, just like at Midsommer.
What's that? It's a bear? Uh, It's like it's like mitsa.
I'm glad I saw it. I'm glad I saw it
because it was it had so much a movie, right,
that's so much in it. But I never want to
see it again. No, I get that, right, And that's
not understanding. I mean, you'll never look at Cheety the
(06:07):
same way again. No, poor Cheety, I never may. Maybe
that's how he died in the Good Place. Maybe we
just didn't get that story. Uh sorry, spoilerler part of
a giant universe. It's the Midsummer universe. You know the office, Yeah,
the Good Place takes place in the Midsummer Universe. I
don't if you know that or not. But I'm like,
it was like the Midsummer Games. I'm glad I watch it.
(06:28):
I never want to have to watch it again, though,
I mean that's kind of how I feel. I never
want to have to watch it again, like because it
was because the entire game all I'm sitting there saying
to myself, I'm going the Giants are going to win
this game, and they're not going to complete a pass
for the last forty minutes of the game, and they're
going to finish with minus eight yards passing, and they're
still gonna find a way to win this game, and
(06:48):
we're still gonna lose, and I'm thinking, where is this
his worst Jets losses ever? Where is this? This is
the worst And this may be the worst NFL game
in the history of the game. It was so awful
and the Jets are gonna lose it. I go, not
only the worst game, but we're gonna lose it. Where
does that put us? And then they pull it out
with a miracle and I go, okay, now we can
deal with because Brian Dable's gonna get fired, So okay,
we'll deal with that, and said, okay, not the Jets.
(07:09):
I dodged that bullet dodged that for at Okay, great,
Now it's about the Giants, and thank you Giants for
giving that game to the But there were a bunch
of plays. You and I talking about it the game yesterday,
texting back and forth, and even before the show going
into sequences and business decisions, sat quon Barkley, Oh yeah, yeah.
But the one thing if the Giants had won, wouldn't
would that have been the first Syracuse quarterback to win
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a game since Donovan McNabb retired. Oh don't. I don't
think Ryan Nasa won a game with a Giant, you
know what I mean, the NFL as a whole. Hang on,
hang on, what do we get back? Let me go back,
hang on, let me go back, Let me go back here.
Tommy de Vedo, Eric Dungee never won a game. I
don't think Ryan Nasa won a game. Greg Paulus didn't
make it to the NFL A bunch of guys before.
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I think he might have been the end of Donovan mcgett.
That's a long time. He might have been the first
guy to score. He might have been the first Syracuse
quarterback to have a touchdown. I'm trying to think the
last since mcnead, the last quarterback to have even have
a touchdown, because I don't know that Ryan Natsa played
enough for the Giants to get it to throw a
touchdown preseason, probably, but I don't know if he played enough
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in the regular season at all. He gonna be the
first touchdown touchdown Tommy DeVito and I'm saying to go,
of course, Tommy DeVito X Syracuse guy who couldn't couldn't
win the job, so he transferred to Illinois. He's gonna
win this game. Nash did have one, did one touchdown?
Throw oh, he appeared in twenty fifteen. Okay, and he
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went five for five for sixty eight yards in a score. Wow,
that was his NFL career, is it? There?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You go?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He appeared, well, he appeared in four games in twenty fourteen,
but twenty fifteen was where he threw a touchdown pass.
So we did it. We found the answer to that
trivia question pretty fast. But let me just say, because
I you know it is we're getting closer to thanks
to you. If they show Jack Harlowe at the game, who's
going to be performing on things? He still keep trying
to this guy happened football people don't want any party.
Yeah yeah, Jack right, remember when he was the guest
(09:00):
picker and everybody who is this guy try? You're not
gonna make fetch happen. It's gonna be tough to make
Jack Carlow happen. But let me say this, I really
I you know, in time of talking about giving thanks
we get close to Halloween and then the sprint to Thanksgiving.
I want to thank Saquon Barkley for sliding on the
Giants last possession of the game yesterday, where had he
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just kept running and gotten the first down? The game
was over, but instead I'm going to slide and as
a result, the Giants can't get a first down, Gonna
misses the field goal, and the Jets go on to win.
We would not have won without Saquon Barkley saying no,
I'm going to slide in the middle of the field
rather than pick up a first down on the final
possession and the Jets don't have timeouts to stop the clock.
I'm gonna slide down and make a business decision in
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the middle of the field. We would have not won
that game if not for Saquon Barkley. Thank you, Saquon,
thank you, Thank you. Whatever the Jets do this year,
it is all available and all possible because you decided
I'm gonna slide here, I'm gonna be smarter than everybody else,
and I'm gonna cost the Giants the game. I will
say this. You know there are all often times, you know,
you and I will watch games here as part of
the show and breaking things down as they happen. But
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there are even more times that you want the helmet
cam view. Can I see what made him make that
business decision? Because it is Henry Winkler's seventy eighth birthday.
I can make a Malachi Crunch reference. I think Demolition Derby.
He probably thought too much and thought, Okay, I'm gonna
get hit by a dB and a Linstown and I
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can't fumble, and I don't want to fumble, and that's
probably what But he would have gotten the first down
he would have gotten, he would have gotten another four
or five yards easy, and at that point, you know,
then the game is over. I'm done. But I'm sure
he thought, I don't want to get hit because what
if I fumble? So I'm just gonna go down And
that turned out to be the worst thing you could do.
And thanks to Caveon Thibodeau for getting called off side
(10:50):
at the end of regulation, stopping the clock because the
Jets wouldn't have gotten the last second. Feel so I
gotta thank all the Giants for all so thank you
since we're spending a lot of time I had this
Giant Jets game. Obviously in the pregame, your quarterback who
showed up for five snaps just get things started, hates
coming back. Man hates coming back. I'm not convinced he
actually had anything really wrong with him other than a
(11:11):
spring at this point, so you think maybe this is
like part of the script. Hey, Rogers isn't really hurt,
but he's gonna come back and very heroically, Like they're
making up that he had an achilles. Once you're injured,
but like, unless I get a full documentary, I mean,
I mean full on, we go and we get from
from diagnoses. Here's the films, here's the surgery, all of that,
(11:34):
all the gruesome bloody footage to go along with our
Halloween theme. At this point, watching him up and around
like either you know, I'm gonna start thinking of another
higher power. It's because it's electric around the jets man.
I mean you see this and you see all of
a sudden he's dropping back and throwing, and he made
sure that I'm dropping back and I'm putting some nip
(11:56):
on the football man, Like maybe that's it. Maybe it's
not really achilles. Maybe that's that's what it is. Hey.
The script calls for you to pretend to be injured.
You're gonna sit out here to pay a lot of
attention to you. Then you come back at the end heroically,
and that's the script. And Arian Foster knows this well.
It would be one of the great face of all time,
right because he was the heel. Yeah right, he was
(12:17):
the He still does poke the bear and in his
paid appearances with McAfee, I mean he'll still say some
stuff to Rakle uh you know, get some folks a
bit salty. Well, what he did yesterday was they wanted
to talk to him after the game. He said, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do interviews until I come back. Dude,
you're on TV, You're on McAfee show every Tuesday. You
won't talk to us though, No, no, no, you're gonna ask
(12:39):
you to talk to us. You're ain't gonna ask me
real questions. I'm not thinking. Come on, man, I mean
I don't do interviews until the end of the season.
I don't do it unless it's scripted. You're on McAfee
show every Tuesday and they're paying you all kinds of money.
You could talk to the local guy for five seconds
because McAfee is just gonna wash him up. Local guy
might ask him a hard question. No, all I want
to do is say, hey, what'd you talk what'd you
talk about? With Zach and the end because he's on
(13:01):
the headset. I'm telling you, Jets head coach Aaron Rodgers. Uh,
he's on the headset doing a lot of things, and
it's all right, let's try this, let's try this. He
wants the spotlight to be on Zach and away from it,
and I understand that, but to say the I'm not
gonna talk until I come back, Like, dude, what do
you mean, you're you're everywhere? I want the spotlight on.
I want the spotlight on Zach. But for the game,
I'm gonna be out here throwing so everybody can see me.
(13:23):
What do you mean not on a practice field, not
on a practice No, no, I'm do it in the background. No, no, no,
watch me. Hey, how bout how full is the crowd?
And are the pregame shows up? They're up and running right.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, no, it's uh yeah, the pregame shows went on
about four minutes ago. Do they have the cameras on yet?
Are they shooting video?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It looks like they're the sideline from this spot. Yet
I'm gonna goad. I'm gonna go throw a couple of passes.
Just make sure they're kind of rolling on me, all right,
Great so they can see me, all right? Awesome? No,
it's his That's that's what it is. But it doesn't
matter because he's coming back. You know. It's all set
Christmas time. It's a countdown to Santa Claus and Aaron Rodgers.
That's kind of what's going to I'm gonna have is
Aaron Rodgers advent calendar in my house going. I'm gonna
(14:04):
open and eat chocolate every day waiting for it. One
of these days is gonna be Aaron Rodgers returns. Aaron
Rodgers returns. Oh, the Aaron Rodgers bending baton bending first
snap that he takes from the game, I will be
sitting there with a giant gingerbread man and I will
rip off that right leg and I will eat it. Yeah,
they cut right. Makes his first snap a snap eight.
(14:26):
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the World Series, Yes, it's been three nothing for about
six hours now and it stays three nothing. Going to
(14:46):
the bottom of the eighth inning, the Rangers are up
over the Diamondbacks. Max Schurzer goes three innings, comes out
with an injury. John Gray came in to pitch extremely well.
The Texas pitching looks like on the verge of giving
them a two games to one lead in the World Series.
We'll have more on that coming up. And that's Seeger guy. Yeah,
not bad, not bad. Yeah, Well, have a big deal.
What did I tell you? It's like NBA Jam, It's
(15:07):
it's Seeger and Seeger and Garcia versus Carolyn Marte and
there it is. That's what happens. But we'll have more
on the NFL coming up next. What is next for
the forty nine ers? I thought brock Perty was the MVP.
What's next with the Vikings? It's trade deadline? Eve?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Eve?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Could we see quarterbacks move? We got the latest with
NFL insider Jason locking for coming up next right here,
Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
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Where right now they're sweating Chapman. Bottom of the eighth inning,
e rolled as Chapman in for the Rangers, Diamondbacks have
a runner at second, nobody out. They trail three to nothing.
That's another base hit. Diamondbacks have a run in. One
(16:03):
run is going to so make it a three to
one game. Nobody out, runner at first. Oh boy, sweating Chapman. Uh. Meanwhile,
a big update here. Adolas Garcia has left the game
for the Rangers final at battle last inning. He flew out,
looked like he was grabbing his chest, didn't really run
down to first base. A strained oblique on his left side.
(16:27):
So he has left the game and of course losing
a Dolus Garcia is whoa can we still win the
World Series without him? So you can still win the
one man, But I don't know, man, he's like worth
like ten men. I mean, I know he's worth. We
had a bit out who the substitution is in our
NBA Jams scenario. Yeah, but yes, Oh so anyway, that's
(16:48):
where we sit right now. One run in, three to
one Rangers, bottom of the eighth inning. The Lions are
in the end zone Jamiir Gibbs. The breakout game continues,
a twenty seven yard rushing touchdown for him, making a
twenty two to fourteen lead for the Lions. He jumps
into the crowd, look at the Lions, the Lions, Lions line,
important extra point here, Let's not be no. There's plenty
(17:11):
of timelines. Joining us down the hotline for more on
everything we saw in the NFL this week, and nobody
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one O five seven the Fan in Baltimore. It's Jason
locking for it. Jay. What's happening, buddy?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What's going on? Gentlemen?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well, so I'm all trying to figure out who the
best guy the Jets can get into trade, who the
Vikings can get in the trade. Now suddenly this trade deadline, Jay,
is really interesting all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, obviously, it's been kind of ramping up incrementally from
year to year, and last year it kind of hit, which,
you know, an unprecedented level and what we thought was
a fever pitch. And look, as far as I'm concerned,
there's already been basically two or three trades. You obviously
had the one today that significant, right, I mean I
think you go back to New England acquiring Ac Jackson
(18:00):
a few weeks before the deadline, right, I mean that's
kind of where it started. And we've seen you know,
lesser stuff Withicle Hardman, a few things kicking around. Obviously,
the Seahawks made a significant move today. The Eagles made
a significant move last week to add buyers. So I
mean those are those that I mean for me, those
are deadline moves. And yeah, I think you know, we'll
(18:23):
still see a fair amount of activity tomorrow. How many
blockbusters are there? You know, history would say not as
many as you hope for. But I am optimistic that
teams are going to look at this landscape and say,
my god, who are the like, Who's a super team?
Who's a great team? You know? Why not us? And
(18:44):
if the old school New York football giants are willing
to eat that much salary right to facilitate the acquisition
of draft picks, then who, like there can't be any
other funny dudies like you know what I mean. If
that's what they're willing to do, who could say that's
you know, beneath me or I'm above that. Like no,
(19:04):
that's that's modern you know, that's modern team building and
that's reality. And there are some teams that are certainly
not going to contend for a super Bowl this year,
and who know they are far away from contending for
a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So if I said to you, if I said, all right,
I got money to go to Vegas and you gave
me the biggest name, you wouldn't be surprised to see
move tomorrow. Who would you give me biggest name? You
wouldn't be surprised if he get traded by the deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I mean nothing, nothing would really shock me at this point.
I mean, I know there's all these people who can't
wait to tell you how much Derek Henry can't be traded.
But then there's always a caveat of that, you know,
then there's always the well and that's the latest thing
somebody whispered to me right now. But obviously the deadline
is not until four o'clock Tuesday. Like everybody has a price,
(19:54):
you know, Saquon. If the Giants did that, if they
just like, how was what they did today? How would
that be any different than trading Darren Waller, It's essentially
the same things. If you're not eating the money to
facilitate the trade. Now you already ate the money. You
ate the money when you get all that money up front, right,
you get them all that money up front, and now
the base salary is nothing. Okay, well why wouldn't he
(20:19):
be He got hurt yesterday, so that that might complicate things.
I don't think it's a super you know, long term
ham string thing, but like why, I mean, people are
thinking that way. That's not I mean when I talk
to gms and stuff about ideas like that, they don't
think it's crazy or outside the box, especially when you
have someone who's carrying that small of a salary. So yeah,
(20:41):
I expect. I look, those conversations are taking place, and
what gets consummated obviously the deadline spurs action. I mean
right now, teams are holding out in many cases for
much more than what people think, you know, they're going
to get. And we'll see in the end how willing
to some of these owners are to eat salary, or
(21:02):
how eager some of these owners are to dump salary,
And that's ultimately you know a lot of times, what's
the difference between all talk and no action and something
getting consummated. But I mean, throw a name at me, like, well,
I don't. I don't think anything's out of the rum
of possibility.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Quarterbacks like the good could you see the vikings in
a quarterback, whether it's Matt Jones or Ryan Tannehill or
somebody like that.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well, I mean it's hard, you know, it's hard to
make those moves in the middle of the season. And
even when Garoppolo got traded, it took him about a
month before he played. But like I mean, just obbs,
you know what I mean, Like even before even if
he wouldn't have got be like, he's played pretty decent
football this season. He's better than what some teams have.
(21:44):
Tannehill has been available since this, you know, since before
the season. Now they've got to be realistic about what
you're going to get for him under these circumstances. But no,
that I mean, and he's obviously banged up as well,
But no, I don't that it wouldn't surprise me. Again,
there's got to be sort of a scheme fit, right,
There's probably got to be some familiarity with a coach
(22:04):
on that staff or had played there before. To try
to expedite this thing in time. But yeah, I mean
DeAndre Hopkins like the Titans are going to make more moves.
There's no doubt in my mind. There might be too
set up, too much sentimentality, ultimately a tied to Derrick
Henry and then wanting you know, a second and something
else which is just not gonna happen. But like Deniko Autry,
(22:26):
I think is as good as gone. I think they'd
love for somebody to take Harold Landry salary off their hands.
I just don't know that that team exists. But yeah,
Ryan Tanneh wouldn't be out of the question whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The Heineke tune. Maybe Kyler Murray, well, I'm just saying,
like the fact that he's now up for potentially starting
didn't think we'd get to this point. I really thought
it would end up being Dobbs Dune and whoever. But
potentially Kyler Murray back for the Cardinals when draft pick
(23:00):
just looks so pretty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Out there, Well, look, I don't I don't think they're
going to set the light on you know, the world
on fire with Kyler Murray. I don't think there's so
much worried about that as he gets hurt, now, you
know what I mean, he's going for off season surgery
and more guarant injury guarantees kick in and he becomes
untradable in the offseason. I think it's much more about
that than them think. I mean, that thing, that thing
(23:23):
stop built to win, and he's he's not. I mean,
let's let's let's not lose sight of just how pathetic
he was. Then we can blame a lot of it
on Kingsbury, I guess if we want to. But this
guy hasn't inspired a whole lot. And it was absolutely
that leak crazy that they gave him that contract when
they did it, and it didn't take him very long
to regret it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Jenny, I want to take you back. I'm going to
test your memory here. I want to go all the
way back. I want to go all the way back
three weeks ago when brock Party was the MVP of
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
No, Well, you know, life comes out too fast, is it? Is?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It just teams are making him do more and we're
seeing his limitations. All of a sudden, the forty nine
ers went from I don't know who beats them to
now they've lost three in a row.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, I'm I mean, I'm not shocked. And this idea
that like, well, they just can't lose three games, Like well,
why can't they lose three games? Like why can't Kyl
shanahand lose three games? Why can't anybody in this league
lose three straight games, especially when you're without the key
components that they have, And like, no one's really talking
(24:27):
about Trent Williams. He's the one who makes the whole thing.
Go think about what that thing looked like before they
went and got them and gave them all that money
and prayed that he'd stay healthy more likely and more
often than not, which had not been the case with
him for the last what three years at least that
he was in Washington. And if you look at their
DVA and EPA, it's one thing with him and then
(24:48):
the debo thing, which is a positionless guy who's you know,
super hard to defend and complicates things. And you take
the two of them out and the running back is
sort of hobbled, right, and he's not as explosive as
still scores two touchdowns every week, which is nuts, but
like that's not the same and they weren't a big
downfield passing team to begin with, Like it is what
(25:08):
it is, brock Braeson, brock Brady's not going to beat
you with uber athleticism. He's not going to beat you
with the biggest arm in the world. He like he
was a function of something that they had built and
he came in and the bar couldn't be any lower, right,
I mean literally, it's like, let's find somebody with a
heartbeat he's been in the system, who hopefully can stay
healthy for more than like, you know, quarter And he
(25:30):
did that, and then he completed some forward passes and
it was like the greatest thing ever. And then he's
in the offseason program and he's the number one and
you know, he's got good coaches and a great team
around him, and it looks the part. I mean, but
the defense, all the defense ain't the same thing either.
I Mean, the whole thing was kind of predicated on
them rolling up thirty some points a game, right, thirty three,
(25:50):
And they hadn't lost at home in a year, and
they hadn't lost the regular season games since McCaffrey got there, Like,
was all that going to continue? No, what's it gonna
look like when the cast around him isn't special. Well,
he don't want some special either. I mean that's not
really a huge knock on him. I mean, how many
games has he started, right, I mean he's basically one
(26:11):
year into this, and i'mike, some guys he can't default
to just make something spectacular happen outside the pocket when
everything breaks down, like go off script and win third
and nine by yourself, like dude, that those guys aren't available,
you know, at the mister irrelevant spot. So you know,
I think he's he's got his limitations, and they've got
(26:33):
their warts and everything's been exposed, and can they get
healthy and be much better down the stretch. Yeah, but boy,
oh boy, you better hope the left had If the
offensive line isn't special, forget about it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last week, boy, real quick, Jason, the Steelers amongst other teams.
You usually it was fans, local radio hosts and well
usbloviating on national networks, can planning about referees. Now we've
got teams doing a Steelers going on down the line.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
But Johnson, he's on fire.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah exactly. But like the number of times I'm watching
games and we see flags throwing it and then we're
seeing them picked up. I think there's an inordinate number
of those happening in twenty twenty three. Did you really
see it? Nah? Maybe not? All right, I'll pick it
up last night watching Look the Bears got drummed. But
watch that game. Officials reaching for the flag, double clutch. Nah,
(27:27):
I'm not gonna throw it like you saw something? You
pick that? What up are we doing with that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It seems to be much more of an epidemic than
in years past. It is definitely, uh, a little bit baffling.
I don't know, you know, if it's the eye in
the sky, you know what I mean, because they've got
the like I mean, I know there's things that are
supposed to and not supposed to do, but you know,
they've got ways to convey things to these guys, and
(27:55):
you know some of these balls being respotted and whatever.
I wonder if some of that's coming from New York.
But yes, it used to be you'd see them pick
up a flag and be like, man, I haven't seen
them do that a while. And now it's like, oh,
I haven't seen them do that since the one o'clock window.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
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(28:41):
the Lions make it twenty six to fourteen, still ten
minutes ago in the fourth quarter, and I don't believe
DeVante Adams, Jacobi Meyers, Fred Blittnikoff, Clin Tim Brown, Cliff Branch,
none of them have caught it past tonight. Now they's
all big zeros for them, although I think DeVonta Adams
has one key, He's got one. Meyer has one for
nineteen yards. No congratulations Koby Myers owners particularly one in
(29:04):
the guillotine league that we're in here. Yeah, Network, Yeah,
he's got a big goose egg which is allowing bershinger.
At some point he may get to do that victory
dance like he did a week again. Yeah, this big
Guillotine League thing is taken over here, So we'll have
more on that coming up in a bit, and more
on the World Series Toaly three to one lead by
the Rangers in the ninth inning over the Dimebacks are
(29:26):
going to take a two games to one league. But
big stuff out of the NFL. We have trade deadline
tomorrow and everybody's wondering what's gonna happen. Jason Lockinforth says,
nothing would surprise me. Nothing would surprise me. Okay. The
thing that needs to happen tomorrow is that we need
to see big wide receivers and big quarterbacks move. And
(29:47):
I mean I don't mean like, hey, you're gonna see
two I get traded. But the Vikings absolutely have to
go get a quarterback. They have nobody behind Kirk Cousins.
Fran Tarkenton is about to come out and throw the
football and starting to win again. And now with Kirk
Cousins out for the year with the torn achilles, his
career is over with the vin Minnesota Vikings. Right He's
a thirty five year old quarterback, gonna be thirty six
(30:09):
coming back from the torn achilles they're gonna move on.
You're four and four. Your division stinks, all right, Your
division is not great. I mean, the Lions are the
best team, and we're seeing tonight they're one of the
best teams in the NFL. I told you Lion's going
to the Super It's still struggling at times with the
Lowly Raiders, who while I say lowly Raiders, should they
be able to come back and win this game, they
(30:31):
would go to five hundred. That's how strange the NFL is.
Should there's still a little bit of Lions left in
the Lions and still a little bit of there again
until the clocks strike zero. You believe bad things can happen.
I get it, But you can't punt on it. You
can't punt on the season. You have to go get
somebody because you don't have anybody behind Kirk Cousins and
the guys that should be traded. All right, I'll tell
(30:52):
you these quarterbacks should be moved no matter what. Tomorrow.
I tell you three guys that should be dealt under three.
Three guys absolutely on Ryan Tannehill should be at His
injury is not that big a deal. And at this
point you had will Levis throw for four touchdowns. You
still have Malik Willis so you took in the first
round last year. These guys need to see the field, right.
You don't need Ryan Tannehill. He should absolutely get traded.
(31:15):
Mac Jones should get traded. You know he's not the
future in New England. You may as well tank at
this point it's over. Maybe Malie Cunningham goes from I'm
on the team, I'm not on the team. I got
a three year contract. I'm waived. But something has to happen.
It's clearly not mac Jones. He needs to go, and
the other one a backup. That's kind of interesting, but
you can do it because you have three guys there.
(31:36):
Davis Mills should be dealt to a team then needing
a quarterback because you got CJ. Stroud, you have Case
Keenham as well. Maybe the Vikings would want case Keenan
back that magical year they had with the Minneapolis Miracle.
But those are three quarterbacks should be traded no matter what. Tannehill,
mac Jones, Davis Mills, those guys should get dealt. There
should be big wide receivers available, but there should be
quarterbacks dealt. The Vikings should get one of them. The
(31:58):
Jets should get one of them, because as much as
you like Zack Wilson, Zach Wilson, oh my goodness, Zach
Wilson was awful. Zack Wilson was terrible. The Jets should
go get one of these guys because you need somebody
until eight comes back at the end of the year,
because eight's coming back. But you need somebody because you
don't want to give it away because suddenly Zack Wilson, boy,
he can't have another Houdini escape like he had yesterday.
So there's teams that should be going to get quarterback.
(32:20):
Jets and the Vikings and the Steelers should go get
a quarterback too, because with Kenny Pickett hurt and not
playing well, you don't want to give the season away.
You're still playing well, you're five hundred, you're still all right.
Go get somebody because if Kenny Pickett stinks or is hurt,
you want somebody else. And I'm sorry, buddy, but just
went right pat Sorry, sorry, buddy, he was not good. Buddy,
(32:41):
he was not good. You gotta do something. Those guys
got to get quarterbacks. Those are quarterbacks should be available.
Maybe maybe folks will realize that the hope defense of
the Jaguars isn't as bad as some would have made
it out to be. Uh, and blame Canada and fire
Canada is a resounding chant at every Pittsburgh is establishment
for a reason. Another name that's been interesting bandied about,
(33:04):
and our guy Frostburg sent us the photoshop worked out
photo of him of Jamis Winston, who's sitting there, you know,
as part of the Saints of wondering if do they
trust Taysom Hill right, He's been a night great option yesterday,
did his work as a tight end. You win this game,
(33:24):
Derek Carr, whatever they had to do and break brand
and everybody hugged each other or whatever that they got
right and made some plays downfield. But another name, just
to kind of toss it out there, Mills, a guy
who's in no man's land, has played some NFL and
has played well. Yeah again, you know, at some point
(33:45):
the Texans will cobble together a group of five guys
that can keep someone upright, which is a challenge for
many NFL teams. Right here, for your Jets, you need
a receiver, I think more than a quarterback. You you
got Garrett and a whole lot else, everybody else. So
if you can go find someone else that's in the marketplace,
and maybe yesterday's results help teams pause and maybe recognize
(34:12):
and admit a little more where they are in the
packing order, because coming into this week, there are very
few teams that you'd say they have no chance in hell,
like even the Bears before the game against the Charger, Like,
if stupid things happen, you're looking at a stretch where
you're gonna play the Chargers, followed by the Saints, followed
by the Panthers. All of a sudden, you could potentially
(34:32):
be five, five and five. Now they went out and
got absolutely drummed and shown for the frauds they were
as a coaching staff, and obviously everybody that was thinking
Bagent was going to be a hero. Maybe you get
right and get fixed there and maybe just pause before
you say hot take nonsense. But tomorrow's going to be
interesting till four PM. I would expect to see a
(34:54):
lot of pieces moved. The hard part is again the
offensive line that's on the wish list of everybody. You
really got to come up with a giant bounty, that's
if you're gonna move. So tough. I don't know. See,
I don't know that OL's are gonna move like I
don't know that. But nobody has enough to get rid
of any because you still have to protect whoever's quarterbacking
for you, even if you're trying to quit the year,
(35:14):
you want to get a guy through upright. But as
we were talking about with Jason locking for I mean,
we're at that point in the season where we're getting
into the very long list of other quarterbacks earning starts
in twenty twenty three. Those teams should trade for quarterbacks.
Those quarterbacks should be dealt. That should happen tomorrow. Twitter,
how about a Fresco Mike, It's Swallen Dome coming up next.
(35:35):
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A couple of big quarterback topics in the NFL. Keep
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