November 3, 2023 • 28 mins
In this special bonus podcast, Jason Smith and Mike Harmon bring in the sights and sounds of the Breeders' Cup from Santa Anita Park in California! Jason and Mike chat with bestselling author and Sky Sports Racing US Correspondent Peter Thomas Fornatale to get all the info you need to know for the Breeders' Cup this weekend!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Greetings, Welcome inside, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon here at Santa
Anita for the Breeders Cup. We are in the final
stretch to get tickets to horse racing's biggest moment of
the year, the world's best at San Nita right here
for the Breeders World Championships today November third, Tomorrow the fourth,
the countdown begins. Now get tickets today at Breeders Cup
dot com. And look at that. It's like a time
(00:20):
the beginning to have the horn. This is great. It's
like there's that's really for the race that's going on. Though.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wow, it was like regal for us though. I mean, ah,
they are here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It could be for us. Now. I know you've already
won some money.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, I already won with an exact box in the
in the first race.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well would you chance four five grand? What'd you win? No?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I did not play ten grand, ten twelve grand?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Would you win? What'd you win? I think I won
like forty bucks? Wow, So we're gonna get lunch then,
and you're gonna buy lunch. I go about lunchamp. Okay, that's cool,
al right, forty but that's pretty good. All right? Forty bucks?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know what I liked we got to go buy
is the Stella truck. You see the airstream, the Gulf
Stream Stella truck they have outside, Well that is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, I know you got your Lulu Lemon sweatshirts on
so well.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I wore the specific today because I knew they were
going to have a presence here and I wanted to, Hey,
you know, I buy you. I'm not saying, like, you know,
give me a discount or something, but just say, hey,
like I like Lululemon, you like Lulu Lemon. Let's say
what we can do. I think that I think that works.
You might You might as well.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's like I paid for one eightieth of your salary.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, this one eighty.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I mean, look, I'm a big one eightieth of your
salary for this hour.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah maybe I'm a big Yeah, I mean I'm basically
big a shareholder in lul Lemon. Oh really, Oh I
love Lula I mean I mean like because of stuff
I buy there? How much you? I mean? Oh, dude
like hoodies, hoodies and pants man hoodies and paints.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I just need to keep winning races. But it comes
down you're the one that you're day. Are you already
up today?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah? I am already for the day here is so
that's good.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Always fun, right, I got here and look getting around
the track, I've been it's big. I've been here before,
but you don't I don't necessarily pay attention to names
on the walls and where. Sure, so walking around and
you got a lot of people that are here that
are not normally working at the track, so trying to
get their assistance to Hey, I'm heading to and you
get the thousand miles, stare like, okay, next up.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, And so finally we trowed it. But in the
middle of all.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
This, I stopped. I'm like, all right, race is going off? Cool,
all right, I think I won that photo. All right,
I gotta keep moving. So and then finally, you know,
get to our setup and get it going. But yeah,
just so much greatness here, so much energy, excitement, people
just meeting up with the programs out trying to compare notes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's just a cool environment. Speaking of what's going on
today tomorrow, all the big action right now I'm staring
at getting ready to join us, A very special guest
sitting down with us now to break down all the
big action this weekend. Peter Thomas for In a Tale.
You can check them out on Twitter at looms Boldly
in the money media. We'll talk about that coming up
in a second. But you know, Mike and I are
(02:54):
here and I'm wearing a Lululemon Hoddy because they have
a stand and I'm going to didn't riet there yet, no,
but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna show. Look, I'm a shareholder.
You have a nice polo on, but Peter, you your suit.
I feel really I'm just completely out of the mix
here because that is a very sharp blue and gold
pattern suit and that is that is fantastic supporting Michigan. Yeah,
(03:16):
oh wait, wait wait can you do you? Can you
steal the signs tomorrow and tell us who's gonna win
the race?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If you can hit that if coming out of the
paddics that, yeah, you get some signals for us.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Electronically like what do you have? Like what do you
have you have like video of the workouts? Like what
do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean electronically, there's so much the form out there
that you can just dive in and look at, you know,
like I got one here, I'll show you. It's all
got all the bright colors and the pretty little pace
map and all of that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is that legal for you? Can you show us that?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Or is that?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
This is a commercially available I'll even plug them time
form Us is the name of the name of the product,
but that's for the suit. My wife and I recently
went to an immersive production of Guys and Dolls in London,
and apparently I never came out.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, and now you are very good. Get a sec
a song before we're finished too.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Why do I keep doing I keep pulling on this
thing and hurting myself. It's like I've never It's like
I've never been on.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The radio before, well maybe not quite tethered the same way.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, one thing, we got to start it, because this
is way you have to start. Bo Derek is here,
m M and I have not seen Bo Derek. But
after Lululemon, I'm gonna go look for Bo Derek. She's
around like like like where probably is that creepy? Is
too creepy?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Slightly creepy, But we'll let you get away with it
because it's Bo Derek.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, but I mean, you know she put it up
on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Hey, I'm coming to the races, so probably the trophy room.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Now, the bad news is, if you dressed like that
try to get in the trophy room, you may be
shot on site. But if you survive the gunshot wound,
you'll have a very good chance of seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But in other words, there's a lot of money and
a lot of power there.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
See, But I feel like, see that's what I go for,
is I go for the boy This guy must be
really rich because she knows that's true. He just dresses
whoever he wants. I've seen that at the sales.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I've seen country rulers of countries in white T shirts
and acid washed jeans at the sales. And then another
famous bi millionaire actually dressed remarkably similar to how you
are right now. So I mean, you might get away
with it, but who's the tech billionaire?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Let him in.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Walking around to get to where we're sitting down to talk.
Is the just variety of suits and hats and dresses
like it's the Triple Crown on steroids, is how I'm doing.
Because it's also a lot of international garb. Yeah, you're
trying to guess countries and affiligations, and that's one of
the big things here right when you start talking about
and maybe this is a comes off as a joke question,
(05:30):
I'm serious, how long does it take to for a
horse to get over jet lag?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, it's funny you mentioned that because in the past,
so there's a powerful Irish contingent of horses that come
every year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They train in a place called bally Doyle. Sounds magical
in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Guy named Aidan O'Brien's the trainer, and he always used
to come in right before the event, right before the event,
and he had success, but he had a lot of
high profile failures. Last year there was some sort of
travel difference. They came in four or five days earlier.
This isn't literally true, but they all won it or
they all.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Ran dominated right, they got good trips all around, and
so of course this year they come back in early.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So I do think there's something to that idea that
there could be, you know, a few days adjustment period,
just like.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There is for just like there is for humans. All
right now, I want to go back to you think
I'm a tech billionaire for a second, because I like
that because I actually nothing about it, like computers, like
I get my bit everything the fat fingers. I could
barely follow my my my Google Maps, sticking to get here.
I mean, that's okay, I'm going here. I'm going here.
But if I run around stuff and say like, hey,
I'm going to revolutionized coating because I know that from
(06:30):
from the movies, that's like that's a big thing with
coding code.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like if I say that, yeah, that might work, that
I would say that you've already done it. I wouldn't
say you're doing it currently, you know what I mean?
Like make it like having them your your resume and
I think you'll I think you'll have a chance. Who
see he's oh, I revolutionized coding.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Come right in. You can just want to tell I
just I just spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Man, I spent it sounds like you were begging for
seed money. It's the way you phrase that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know that. The pageantry of this event, it's it's
I don't want to say so unique because something is
unique or it's not. But to walk in and to
see we talk about everybody is dressed, is that it's
comfortable and and it's it's accepted. They've never seen this.
People who come in. I can wear a T shirt
and shorts. I mean, not not to me. I mean
I get a dress like a tech billionaire, and I
can wear a T shirt and shorts. I could wear
(07:14):
pants and a hoodie. Or I could be dressed to
the nines like you and other people, and it's all acceptable.
It's like this big melting pot of of of how
everybody dresses.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'll say, racing in America is wonderful that way, and
I think that idea sort of extends beyond the fashion
to the whole like culture subculture of racing where you
can have, you know, a groom who's maybe you know,
dropped out of high school, and the billionaire owner, the
actual billionaire, not you, the actual billionaire owner billionaire, and
(07:42):
there could be and they're talking to each other like
equals because you know, they just want to know who
the other likes. In the double it's there's something kind
of egalitarian about it, as that we're getting a big
exciting race finish in the background, a photo for a
second in the in the first wait, wait, wait, you
just used a galitarian I got to know I haven't
heard that soll but may rate English.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But that's just there, right, that's a five hour word.
If we had our jar from the studio. That's the
payoff the student loans. That's a pretty good word now,
So for you as you start looking at this card
comes together. We got one hundred and seventy five horses
over the two days.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Man, how much time are we putting in?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then especially with all the international entrants trying to
track down the video. Now they make it easier than
it used to be, for sure, but it's still a
yeoman's effort to get through that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Do you remember that in the old days, you know,
they used to do a DVD you could buy with
all the foreign replays, and before that it was lunatics,
VHS tapes, VC, you know, doing it on their VCR
and American pro betters and English pro betters sending them
back and for a complete Now boom.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We watch any race that you know, basically ever happened.
It is. It is quite a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But even with that time saving element, the processes, I mean,
it's just immense for us.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's it's really the focus of the year. So basically
what I am as.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
A horse racing podcaster that we in the main do
two podcasts a week, one in the early week where
we recap what happened, and then obviously late week where
we go through make fun of each other.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think you guys, you know very much of your guys.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Style and and and try to pick some winners. And
the Breeders' Cup is really the focus of the year.
They're they're one of our biggest partners. We sponsor a
contest that we run together all year long, and so
all year.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're talking about these races.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And by the time these past performances come out, even
though you know so many of the horses, it just
with all the internationals especially, it just takes time. I mean,
it's a couple hours of race easy.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then how much as you get to the track
are you walking around trying to just pick people's brains
like you were talking about the egalitarian?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, the nature of things of walking.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Up going all right, so this stable, you know, did
they have any issues coming in all that and trying
to take into account he.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Wait, wait, wait, a galitarian might be a horse that fits.
I think again, I think we're buying a horse with
your galitarian There we go. Yeah, I don't know what
it means, but I like it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So oh that's very funny. I lost my train of thought.
There that was worth it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was in egalitarian stoppa, jumping your train of thought.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh, you were asking about talking to people. So you're
out here in the morning the week of the Reader's Cup.
I try to do more with my with my eyes
because and so I had a great right friend and mentor,
a famous racing writer guy named William Murray, used to
write these wonderful racetrack mysteries, also these wonderful nonfiction essays,
and he wrote an essay once about how at the
(10:29):
racetrack your ears can actually be your worst enemy. But
I'm lucky because in the context of my podcast, we've
cultivated a very talented crew of people and we're talking
about it all the way, and so we're getting insights
that I know are good. And so I will lean
on those people until I have the opportunity to clap
my eyes on these horses and get a.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Little bit extra.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it really is a blend of what you can
see and what you can look at on the paper
and then try to put it all together. And then
at the end of the day, it's there's actually a
lot of math involved and a lot of probability involved,
because you're not really betting horses. At the end of
the day, if you do this all the time, you're
betting crisis. So it's about trying to get your money
(11:09):
in good essentially, as in you know, pocour or any
other gambling endeavor. As much as I love the sport
as much as I love the fashion show, I'm a gambler.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm a horse player. That's why I'm here, all right now,
So tell me what Because I read a lot of
Dick Francis when I was a kid. Better writer William
Murray or Dick Francis. I'm going with my boy.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But I mean, obviously Dick Francis a legend. You know,
he's writing more about uh, you know, jump racing in
England though He's yeah, Bill was writing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That was more like in the eighties and nineties, when well,
here's the big mystery and everything on the Francis It
was fantastic. I was like the only kid, I'm like
a senior in high school. What are you reading Dick Francis.
Really it's a horse racing mystery.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Really, everybody else is reading the life history of Mickey Manual.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Oh no, mine was the
baseball life of Sandy Coche the baseball, like four years
in a row the base I know so much about
Sandy Cofax's personal life just from that one one hundred
and twenty five page book. It's fantastic. First book I
ever read.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Sports hero Larry Zanka so very much, oh sure, very
much of.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The He had the great face mask with just the
curl on the top. Yeah, we carried the football. Yeah
you hold on with both hands. Power run yeh, that's
right through the gap.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
All right, Well, let's get down to brass tags. We
got the classic. We had a high profile scratch, yes,
and I mean the rail has not been kind historically,
I guess anyway, if you want to take the positive, right,
but as we look at this six million dollar race,
all the best horses in the world got an edge.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm a big fan of White a Barrio. Okay, this
horse has been around for a while, but in the
care of his new trainer Rick Dutrow, has really blossomed.
And the race he ran in Saratoga in the Whitney,
one of the biggest dirt races of the year anywhere.
He ran so fast that if he has any kind
of repeat of that effort, I think everybody else is
(12:57):
running for second, honestly, and he's looked really good out
here in the mornings. I just think it's going to
be very tough for them to take down White a
Barrio in this spot. I will also use for exactas
with Kim, a horse called Zanden. Zanden was handled very
easily in the whitney by White a Barrio, but he
came back and ran a terrific last prep race. White
(13:17):
a Barrio has been on the shelf hanging out pointing
to this race ever since then. We haven't seen him since.
But there's also another interesting one. We were talking about
the international element here. There is this sort of Olympics
element to the Breeders Cup that I absolutely love, with
horses coming from all over the world, and there's one
coming from Japan. Japan won two races at the Breeders
Cup two years ago when it was out in California.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They more or less.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Skipped it last year hardship to Kentucky. But Ushba to
Soorro is a name that could be on a lot
of people's lips. Come about the six o'clock tomorrow evening
or tonight, depending on when you're listening. To this, but
Ushba to Soro would be the other one I would want.
With Zanden and White a Barrio, I think that's probably
your exacta. And I'll also bet White a Barrio to win.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Where do you throw Arabian Night? He could he could win.
He's the fourth, the horse that could win. He's the favorite.
I'm gonna try to.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Beat him because I think pace wise it could be tough.
He's been able to really boss overmatched fields and now
he's up in the big leagues and he's got some
real proper speed in against him. So I don't know
what they're gonna do. It's it's a little bit of
a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If
you just say, hey, i'm a front runner and you
go to the front, I'm worried he'll go too fast.
(14:24):
And if you say, you know what, I'm gonna let
Saudi crown the other likely speed horse. If they say
I'm gonna let him go and I'm gonna settle off
this flank, well he hasn't done that before. And some horses,
you know, they're they're they're amazing creatures. But sometimes trying
something new in a race, it doesn't always work out.
So I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna end
up hooking up. There's gonna be plenty of pace, and
he'll be in front, like right out here where we are,
(14:45):
but then down there quarter mile down at the finish line,
I think it's gonna be the other three passing him
if they let him go. If he's loose on the lead,
I mean, he wins. He's very talented, and I'd never
knock anybody who was picking him, But for me, there's
more value looking at the other three now.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
But I feel like there's a horse every year named
Arabian Night. Like it's like like going back, they just
changed the color. They just changed the colors. They spelling
and turn it upside down a random apostrophe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ian Anderson, Jeff, all these bags really nearly using us.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Now, are you also breaking some kind of law by
not picking Bobby Baffort's horse? I mean, I think don't
you have to, like, don't you face some kind of
a disciplinary action if you don't pick a Bobby Bafford.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Not only am I not picking Bafford in the classic,
I'm not picking him in the juvenile either where he
has two very strong, very strong chances.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Uh, I'm gonna need to escort you out. You're gonna
need protection.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well, it's it is sort of a classic East Coast
versus Bobby. You're not That wasn't me. I was gonna say,
I'm tripping over the cord. I'm having a phone call. No,
mine is a house, not picking me. I gotta get
through the You don't.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You don't think he has the power to get through
to your phone, even if it's on silent. You might
he might. He might just have that push note.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, well I might have in that room that we
can't get into.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That tech billionaire that can do there. Hey, Jason, you
want to meet Derek. You get ford a talent in
front of me to talk about my horse. I've started
to talk about the juvenile. Go ahead. So it's a
great East Coast versus West Coast battle.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Baffort's got the two mouth is the one of his
two that I like the best. But there's two really
good horses from from back east, from Kentucky and New York,
one with the charming name of Timberlake and then the other.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'll let you make whatever pun you.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Wants coming, and then and the other the one that
I like is called Locked, and I think Locked is.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
My uh, he's the one I'm bading. I know that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But those that's another exact I think for me, I'll
play those three. I'll try to beat Prince of Monaco
in there, Locked, Timberlake and and Mooth and we'll see,
we'll see what the return is. Hopefully there'll be enough
of a return that that will be worth doing. But
the other cool thing about the Juvenile, of course, for
people that you know don't follow racing all the time,
is that these are the horses. This is the group
(17:03):
of horses generationally speaking, that will be in the Kentucky
Derby next year. So whichever horse wins the Juvenile, that
will be your early Kentucky Derby favorite in all likelihood.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so is there anything else on the Saturday? I mean,
I hate to call it an undercard because you look
at what the.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Ball Gray Iron Sharp will be wrestling against St. Jones. Yes, yes,
that's what's happening. And Cocob where it comes out. Oh yeah,
you'll forget Cocoby where Tito Santana.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Also, yeah, oh I loved Iron Mike Sharp back in
the day, he had that bed, he had that forearms.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, it was venture wo. He's had that bed forum
for about twenty years now. Monsoon. Oh yeah, he was
the best. He would always yell to in the middle
of the ring. You just go in the middle of
his matches. Well, I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It was such a different world back then because you'd watch,
you know, the Superstar Show on Saturday morning and the
SD Jones is an iron Mike Sharps of the world
would win against the complete jobbers.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But then you'd go and turn up at the garden
and they were the jobbers.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so it was like it was kind of like
this war, like, oh, these other guys must be really good.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It was a very very clever story. He's like Jones
at the guard, He's gonna beat the Iron Cheek. No,
the Iron Cheek is gonna win.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
They couldn't pay the superstars enough to appear on that televis.
It goes back to the Big Man's not paying talent.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But that's fine, but I'm the rest of the card. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Just going back to that million dollars two million dollar races,
is there is there another race that's got your There's.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So many good ones.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
One I want to talk about is the Breeders Cup mile.
Nowhere is the Olympic nature of the Breeders Cup more
evident than there where. You've got contenders from the USA, France, Japan, Ireland,
England and Canada. And that's the Canadian who I'm interested
in drawing the rail, which on the turf is a
good thing going two turns. Shirl's Spite is the name
(18:48):
of the horse, and this horse I believe they basically
brought back this year with the goal of running in
this race. I feel like the previous two runs have
been preps for this horses working very very well, and
you know, it is one of those funny things you
were talking. We were talking about years and everything. Happened
to chat with his exercise rider Ali the other night.
She had very nice things to say about how he's
coming into the race. Seems like he's ready for a
(19:10):
peak effort. He was third in this race last year
and now he's thirty to one and I think he
might be able to hit the board again. So Sheryl's
Spite is one that I'm very interested in. A mile
the terf for me, in many ways, the race of
the weekend, another real international affair. In this one, I
give France the advantage of Vivia le Bleue. We're going
to go with a course called Anesto, most recently third
(19:31):
in Europe's richest race, or one of Europe's richest races,
the pre de Larc de Triomphe in Paris, and runners
from that race have a very good record then shipping
and coming to the Breeders' Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
This horse just flew.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Home in that race overground, very similar to what he's
going to see here I think at Santa.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Nita, and he's going to be a good price.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think five six, seven to eight, something like that,
because there's going to be so much attention on the
big clash at the top of the market, the Irish
monster Augusta Radan facing mosted Off another one of the
fastest horses in the world. It's a tremendous clash. I
can't wait to.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
See it now. They don't race around the Arcta Triumph
like that would be really cool because I stood on
the top of that and watch traffic and go, oh
my goodness, especially the John Leis john Wick movie too.
But I mean, if you put if you put the
track down, you could actually race around the ark if
you can put like a temporary track down. You know,
have you heard of the Palio Deciena? No, So what's that?
That sounds great?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So this is an Italian horse race, which is essentially
what you're describing. There's the big Palio, like the big
square in the middle of in the middle of Sienna,
and they have these different like teams of horses that
run around. They run around the square and it's just
this crazy, supposed to be this amazing spectacle. And if
you're one of the riders on for one of the teams,
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essentially the CONTROTI I think they call them, and you're
supposed to win. The betting says you're supposed to win,
and you don't, it might be a little bit of
a dodgy time. Remember our guests.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Wow, oh yeah, yeah, that Louis. I mean we watched it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean it was part of an you know, Anthony
bore Dame thing talking about oh my god, now you.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Set me go back. Let let let's let's uh, let's
get back to this because I want it because this
is always something that's fascinating. But you talk about your
ears will always deceive you. You have to look at you
have to you have to trust your eyes. What do
you look at in a workout that that tells you, Okay, hey,
I'm feel good about this horse. Wait, I don't feel
good about this horse going, And maybe it changes how
you bet or how you see the race.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's there's a lot of feel involved, I'll say that
right away. But there's a certain blend of athleticism, energy
and balance that when you spend time around these animals,
which I'm lucky enough to do a lot, And this
isn't my area of expertise by any means. There there
are wonderful people who do this for that's that's all.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
They do.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Their clockers and they get out there with their stop
watch and they give their report on these horses. But uh,
for me, those are sort of the key elements, and
I'd say to anybody who wants to learn more about that,
go to the paddock for Grade one races, and go
to the paddock for really prestigious like first time starters
as two year olds and the ones that you know,
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especially the ones that cost a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
At the sale.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You can go and you can you can kind of
start to get the impression of what a fast horse
looks like. And over time you're going to develop an
eye where you say, oh, I see that one's his
body's a little bit shorter, he's got you know uh.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And the old expression is and ask like a Westchester bus.
Just all this, all this expression, but I like it.
I've never heard down. We'll use west Chester. No, that's
the new horse, Westchester bus, west Chester bus and egalitarian.
All right. They got a lot going on behind the saddle.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And then you'll see the ones, you know, you'll see
ones these like more completely balanced horses that look like
they are. Over time you'll see, oh, that horse looks
like a turf miler. You start to recognize, you know what,
certain hooves are more apt to do well on turf
than dirt, and just all these things that you begin
to notice over time. But you know, it's it's very
much of an art, not a science, that part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right. So now tell us about in the money media.
You got a lot going You have your computer, you
get everything going on. What goes on there, So in the.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Money media, basically where a horse racing company that promotes
the promoter, a media company that promotes horse racing as
opposed to a horse racing company that promotes media. But
it started out with the podcast I was describing before,
but it's become so much more. We've now got a
whole family of podcasts covering different aspects of the industry,
a YouTube channel, a free newsletter in the Money podcast
dot com, slash email if you want to sign up
(23:17):
for that, completely free, a lot of great content on there,
the best way to sort of see everything going on.
So for an event like the Breeders' Cup, we'll have,
you know, basically write ups on every horse and as
well as best bets type shows. I was fortunate to
sit down yesterday with Jerry Bailey and Randy Moss, who
are the NBC lead team and doing the racing here
(23:37):
and get their thoughts. So it's really just all about
trying to create fun content and also to be an
on ram for players. You know, obviously racing it's not
where it was in the popular consciousness one hundred years ago.
We want to try to give people away in in
a way, learn and people to ask questions to and
be like sort of a de facto mentor as it were.
And it's so gratifying to me at an event like this
(23:58):
where I walk through the grandstand and a lot of
people come up and say, love what you're doing. You
really help get me into the sport. You know, the
contest that we put on, which i'd plug, but they're
not going to start again until June, so it's probably
no point. But all the different things that we do
can help people deep in their love of racing and
understand it more and understand why it is a really important. Uh,
(24:19):
it's an important and beneficial sport. And obviously there's there's
negative stories and I don't try, we don't try away
from that. You know, we're not looking to you know,
just just talk about positive stuff all the time. But
we want to help people understand and see the benefits
and and see that when it works, it can be
great sport. It can be great gambling game, and it
can be just a great time. And it's a galitarian
(24:40):
and it can be very egalitarian.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's true. All right. Let's those are the best best
interaction you've had with a fan or someone who's come
up to you, as you just mentioned. If it's Bo Derek,
that's fine. If it's someone else, it's someone else. I'll
tell you this one freaked me out yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It was yesterday, Okay, yeah, well he's.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And he's not.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I mean, he is a major player in the sport.
This is Amir Amir Zadan is his name. He's actually
the guy who owns Mooth. Please don't tell him I
picked against this horse. But he this guy, he spends.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He texted me, he just he just spent. You know.
Funny we talked about. That was a different interview.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But one of the big stories on the Friday Today
Tamera is this Philly who is whose mom is a
champion race mayor called Beholder. Anyway, Beholder had another baby
go through the sail ring at Saratoga. I mean played
like six million dollars. This guy big money, really knows
his stuff. And he came up to me and was like, oh, listen.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
To your shows all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's like really, he's like, what do you think of
my horses? You know, And we went through it and
I gave him give my honest opinions. I mean, I
think he goes with he goes with big shots, and
you know, but that was a really it's a very
recent one, but a very fun one.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, if people like that are listening to us.
We must be doing something right. I love all your
I love all your horses, every single one, every.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Single you want to give one away, you know, small guy.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You go out to your car after the horses. This
side up there. Hey, here you go. All right, I
guess I got a horse. Got a gift the Denver Broncos.
We're in the final stretch to get tickets to horse
racing's biggest moment of the year, the world's best at
Santa Anita right here for Breeders World Championships today November three, tomorrow,
the fourth Countdown is on. Get your tickets right now
at Breeders Cup dot com. Peter Thomas Fornatal. You can
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check them out on Twitter at looms Boldly in the
Money media.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thanks so much to Stop and Buy Man. Had a
blast with you. This was fantastic. Come back tomorrow and
we'll you know, we'll have some bets and you know,
get a coffee or something.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Rally it again. Let's go great stuff is boy. So
much appreciate you, Thank you. I mean, there was so
much that we just had with with Peter.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
But I think egalitarian and Westchester Bus those should be
the way if you keep winning. We could buy a
horse today. We might like I keep set a lunch,
you know, instead of lunch, screw that, instead of lunch.
You just keep letting it ride. And then we keep
winning and winning and winning. And as long as you
have money to double, as long as you know if
you lose, you gotta double again again, you can go.
We can buy horse, maybe by one of those horses.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, waiting now, I've got some information coming from my brothers.
They were going to meet up over lunch to send
some more data. Or your brothers are here after they're
not here, they're back in Chicago, all right, all right,
all right, there's nothing. Look, man, no accusations. Your brothers
are all Richie from season one of them back, you
know what. You've said that often times. But they are, Yeah,
(27:22):
except that one of them wear suits. One of them
wear suits. So they both they both wear suits. Yeah,
they both wear suits. All right, So it is a
different kind of thing, you know. We I've even classed
it up. I put a collared shirt on for once,
so it's it's exciting. But I mean, twenty two races
over the two days, one hundred and seventy five horses.
There's betting in like I think it's twenty seven countries.
(27:44):
And in addition to just all the numbers, as you
know we were talking about with Peter, just all the
different stables coming over and coexisting and trying to find
their way around. It's just something spectacular. People think about
the Triple Crown all the time. It's like there's a
lot more racing, and then this is just a whole
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other level.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
If you can get out here, great, if you can
watch great and listen to Peter Thomas Forna Tae see
how he does over the course of the next couple
of days. Enjoy the Breeders' Cup.
Greetings, Welcome inside, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon here at Santa
Anita for the Breeders Cup. We are in the final
stretch to get tickets to horse racing's biggest moment of
the year, the world's best at San Nita right here
for the Breeders World Championships today November third, Tomorrow the fourth,
the countdown begins. Now get tickets today at Breeders Cup
dot com. And look at that. It's like a time
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the beginning to have the horn. This is great. It's
like there's that's really for the race that's going on. Though.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wow, it was like regal for us though. I mean, ah,
they are here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It could be for us. Now. I know you've already
won some money.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, I already won with an exact box in the
in the first race.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well would you chance four five grand? What'd you win? No?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I did not play ten grand, ten twelve grand?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Would you win? What'd you win? I think I won
like forty bucks? Wow, So we're gonna get lunch then,
and you're gonna buy lunch. I go about lunchamp. Okay, that's cool,
al right, forty but that's pretty good. All right? Forty bucks?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know what I liked we got to go buy
is the Stella truck. You see the airstream, the Gulf
Stream Stella truck they have outside, Well that is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, I know you got your Lulu Lemon sweatshirts on
so well.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I wore the specific today because I knew they were
going to have a presence here and I wanted to, Hey,
you know, I buy you. I'm not saying, like, you know,
give me a discount or something, but just say, hey,
like I like Lululemon, you like Lulu Lemon. Let's say
what we can do. I think that I think that works.
You might You might as well.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's like I paid for one eightieth of your salary.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, this one eighty.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I mean, look, I'm a big one eightieth of your
salary for this hour.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah maybe I'm a big Yeah, I mean I'm basically
big a shareholder in lul Lemon. Oh really, Oh I
love Lula I mean I mean like because of stuff
I buy there? How much you? I mean? Oh, dude
like hoodies, hoodies and pants man hoodies and paints.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I just need to keep winning races. But it comes
down you're the one that you're day. Are you already
up today?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah? I am already for the day here is so
that's good.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Always fun, right, I got here and look getting around
the track, I've been it's big. I've been here before,
but you don't I don't necessarily pay attention to names
on the walls and where. Sure, so walking around and
you got a lot of people that are here that
are not normally working at the track, so trying to
get their assistance to Hey, I'm heading to and you
get the thousand miles, stare like, okay, next up.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, And so finally we trowed it. But in the
middle of all.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
This, I stopped. I'm like, all right, race is going off? Cool,
all right, I think I won that photo. All right,
I gotta keep moving. So and then finally, you know,
get to our setup and get it going. But yeah,
just so much greatness here, so much energy, excitement, people
just meeting up with the programs out trying to compare notes.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's just a cool environment. Speaking of what's going on
today tomorrow, all the big action right now I'm staring
at getting ready to join us, A very special guest
sitting down with us now to break down all the
big action this weekend. Peter Thomas for In a Tale.
You can check them out on Twitter at looms Boldly
in the money media. We'll talk about that coming up
in a second. But you know, Mike and I are
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here and I'm wearing a Lululemon Hoddy because they have
a stand and I'm going to didn't riet there yet, no,
but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna show. Look, I'm a shareholder.
You have a nice polo on, but Peter, you your suit.
I feel really I'm just completely out of the mix
here because that is a very sharp blue and gold
pattern suit and that is that is fantastic supporting Michigan. Yeah,
(03:16):
oh wait, wait wait can you do you? Can you
steal the signs tomorrow and tell us who's gonna win
the race?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If you can hit that if coming out of the
paddics that, yeah, you get some signals for us.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Electronically like what do you have? Like what do you
have you have like video of the workouts? Like what
do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean electronically, there's so much the form out there
that you can just dive in and look at, you know,
like I got one here, I'll show you. It's all
got all the bright colors and the pretty little pace
map and all of that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is that legal for you? Can you show us that?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Or is that?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
This is a commercially available I'll even plug them time
form Us is the name of the name of the product,
but that's for the suit. My wife and I recently
went to an immersive production of Guys and Dolls in London,
and apparently I never came out.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, and now you are very good. Get a sec
a song before we're finished too.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Why do I keep doing I keep pulling on this
thing and hurting myself. It's like I've never It's like
I've never been on.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The radio before, well maybe not quite tethered the same way.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, one thing, we got to start it, because this
is way you have to start. Bo Derek is here,
m M and I have not seen Bo Derek. But
after Lululemon, I'm gonna go look for Bo Derek. She's
around like like like where probably is that creepy? Is
too creepy?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Slightly creepy, But we'll let you get away with it
because it's Bo Derek.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, but I mean, you know she put it up
on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Hey, I'm coming to the races, so probably the trophy room.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Now, the bad news is, if you dressed like that
try to get in the trophy room, you may be
shot on site. But if you survive the gunshot wound,
you'll have a very good chance of seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But in other words, there's a lot of money and
a lot of power there.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
See, But I feel like, see that's what I go for,
is I go for the boy This guy must be
really rich because she knows that's true. He just dresses
whoever he wants. I've seen that at the sales.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I've seen country rulers of countries in white T shirts
and acid washed jeans at the sales. And then another
famous bi millionaire actually dressed remarkably similar to how you
are right now. So I mean, you might get away
with it, but who's the tech billionaire?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Let him in.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Walking around to get to where we're sitting down to talk.
Is the just variety of suits and hats and dresses
like it's the Triple Crown on steroids, is how I'm doing.
Because it's also a lot of international garb. Yeah, you're
trying to guess countries and affiligations, and that's one of
the big things here right when you start talking about
and maybe this is a comes off as a joke question,
(05:30):
I'm serious, how long does it take to for a
horse to get over jet lag?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, it's funny you mentioned that because in the past,
so there's a powerful Irish contingent of horses that come
every year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They train in a place called bally Doyle. Sounds magical
in Ireland.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Guy named Aidan O'Brien's the trainer, and he always used
to come in right before the event, right before the event,
and he had success, but he had a lot of
high profile failures. Last year there was some sort of
travel difference. They came in four or five days earlier.
This isn't literally true, but they all won it or
they all.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Ran dominated right, they got good trips all around, and
so of course this year they come back in early.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So I do think there's something to that idea that
there could be, you know, a few days adjustment period,
just like.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There is for just like there is for humans. All
right now, I want to go back to you think
I'm a tech billionaire for a second, because I like
that because I actually nothing about it, like computers, like
I get my bit everything the fat fingers. I could
barely follow my my my Google Maps, sticking to get here.
I mean, that's okay, I'm going here. I'm going here.
But if I run around stuff and say like, hey,
I'm going to revolutionized coating because I know that from
(06:30):
from the movies, that's like that's a big thing with
coding code.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Like if I say that, yeah, that might work, that
I would say that you've already done it. I wouldn't
say you're doing it currently, you know what I mean?
Like make it like having them your your resume and
I think you'll I think you'll have a chance. Who
see he's oh, I revolutionized coding.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Come right in. You can just want to tell I
just I just spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Man, I spent it sounds like you were begging for
seed money. It's the way you phrase that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know that. The pageantry of this event, it's it's
I don't want to say so unique because something is
unique or it's not. But to walk in and to
see we talk about everybody is dressed, is that it's
comfortable and and it's it's accepted. They've never seen this.
People who come in. I can wear a T shirt
and shorts. I mean, not not to me. I mean
I get a dress like a tech billionaire, and I
can wear a T shirt and shorts. I could wear
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pants and a hoodie. Or I could be dressed to
the nines like you and other people, and it's all acceptable.
It's like this big melting pot of of of how
everybody dresses.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'll say, racing in America is wonderful that way, and
I think that idea sort of extends beyond the fashion
to the whole like culture subculture of racing where you
can have, you know, a groom who's maybe you know,
dropped out of high school, and the billionaire owner, the
actual billionaire, not you, the actual billionaire owner billionaire, and
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there could be and they're talking to each other like
equals because you know, they just want to know who
the other likes. In the double it's there's something kind
of egalitarian about it, as that we're getting a big
exciting race finish in the background, a photo for a
second in the in the first wait, wait, wait, you
just used a galitarian I got to know I haven't
heard that soll but may rate English.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But that's just there, right, that's a five hour word.
If we had our jar from the studio. That's the
payoff the student loans. That's a pretty good word now,
So for you as you start looking at this card
comes together. We got one hundred and seventy five horses
over the two days.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Man, how much time are we putting in?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then especially with all the international entrants trying to
track down the video. Now they make it easier than
it used to be, for sure, but it's still a
yeoman's effort to get through that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Do you remember that in the old days, you know,
they used to do a DVD you could buy with
all the foreign replays, and before that it was lunatics,
VHS tapes, VC, you know, doing it on their VCR
and American pro betters and English pro betters sending them
back and for a complete Now boom.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We watch any race that you know, basically ever happened.
It is. It is quite a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
But even with that time saving element, the processes, I mean,
it's just immense for us.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's it's really the focus of the year. So basically
what I am as.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
A horse racing podcaster that we in the main do
two podcasts a week, one in the early week where
we recap what happened, and then obviously late week where
we go through make fun of each other.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think you guys, you know very much of your guys.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Style and and and try to pick some winners. And
the Breeders' Cup is really the focus of the year.
They're they're one of our biggest partners. We sponsor a
contest that we run together all year long, and so
all year.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're talking about these races.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And by the time these past performances come out, even
though you know so many of the horses, it just
with all the internationals especially, it just takes time. I mean,
it's a couple hours of race easy.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then how much as you get to the track
are you walking around trying to just pick people's brains
like you were talking about the egalitarian?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, the nature of things of walking.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Up going all right, so this stable, you know, did
they have any issues coming in all that and trying
to take into account he.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Wait, wait, wait, a galitarian might be a horse that fits.
I think again, I think we're buying a horse with
your galitarian There we go. Yeah, I don't know what
it means, but I like it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So oh that's very funny. I lost my train of thought.
There that was worth it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was in egalitarian stoppa, jumping your train of thought.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh, you were asking about talking to people. So you're
out here in the morning the week of the Reader's Cup.
I try to do more with my with my eyes
because and so I had a great right friend and mentor,
a famous racing writer guy named William Murray, used to
write these wonderful racetrack mysteries, also these wonderful nonfiction essays,
and he wrote an essay once about how at the
(10:29):
racetrack your ears can actually be your worst enemy. But
I'm lucky because in the context of my podcast, we've
cultivated a very talented crew of people and we're talking
about it all the way, and so we're getting insights
that I know are good. And so I will lean
on those people until I have the opportunity to clap
my eyes on these horses and get a.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Little bit extra.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it really is a blend of what you can
see and what you can look at on the paper
and then try to put it all together. And then
at the end of the day, it's there's actually a
lot of math involved and a lot of probability involved,
because you're not really betting horses. At the end of
the day, if you do this all the time, you're
betting crisis. So it's about trying to get your money
(11:09):
in good essentially, as in you know, pocour or any
other gambling endeavor. As much as I love the sport
as much as I love the fashion show, I'm a gambler.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm a horse player. That's why I'm here, all right now,
So tell me what Because I read a lot of
Dick Francis when I was a kid. Better writer William
Murray or Dick Francis. I'm going with my boy.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But I mean, obviously Dick Francis a legend. You know,
he's writing more about uh, you know, jump racing in
England though He's yeah, Bill was writing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That was more like in the eighties and nineties, when well,
here's the big mystery and everything on the Francis It
was fantastic. I was like the only kid, I'm like
a senior in high school. What are you reading Dick Francis.
Really it's a horse racing mystery.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Really, everybody else is reading the life history of Mickey Manual.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Oh no, mine was the
baseball life of Sandy Coche the baseball, like four years
in a row the base I know so much about
Sandy Cofax's personal life just from that one one hundred
and twenty five page book. It's fantastic. First book I
ever read.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Sports hero Larry Zanka so very much, oh sure, very
much of.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
The He had the great face mask with just the
curl on the top. Yeah, we carried the football. Yeah
you hold on with both hands. Power run yeh, that's
right through the gap.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
All right, Well, let's get down to brass tags. We
got the classic. We had a high profile scratch, yes,
and I mean the rail has not been kind historically,
I guess anyway, if you want to take the positive, right,
but as we look at this six million dollar race,
all the best horses in the world got an edge.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm a big fan of White a Barrio. Okay, this
horse has been around for a while, but in the
care of his new trainer Rick Dutrow, has really blossomed.
And the race he ran in Saratoga in the Whitney,
one of the biggest dirt races of the year anywhere.
He ran so fast that if he has any kind
of repeat of that effort, I think everybody else is
(12:57):
running for second, honestly, and he's looked really good out
here in the mornings. I just think it's going to
be very tough for them to take down White a
Barrio in this spot. I will also use for exactas
with Kim, a horse called Zanden. Zanden was handled very
easily in the whitney by White a Barrio, but he
came back and ran a terrific last prep race. White
(13:17):
a Barrio has been on the shelf hanging out pointing
to this race ever since then. We haven't seen him since.
But there's also another interesting one. We were talking about
the international element here. There is this sort of Olympics
element to the Breeders Cup that I absolutely love, with
horses coming from all over the world, and there's one
coming from Japan. Japan won two races at the Breeders
Cup two years ago when it was out in California.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They more or less.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Skipped it last year hardship to Kentucky. But Ushba to
Soorro is a name that could be on a lot
of people's lips. Come about the six o'clock tomorrow evening
or tonight, depending on when you're listening. To this, but
Ushba to Soro would be the other one I would want.
With Zanden and White a Barrio, I think that's probably
your exacta. And I'll also bet White a Barrio to win.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Where do you throw Arabian Night? He could he could win.
He's the fourth, the horse that could win. He's the favorite.
I'm gonna try to.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Beat him because I think pace wise it could be tough.
He's been able to really boss overmatched fields and now
he's up in the big leagues and he's got some
real proper speed in against him. So I don't know
what they're gonna do. It's it's a little bit of
a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If
you just say, hey, i'm a front runner and you
go to the front, I'm worried he'll go too fast.
(14:24):
And if you say, you know what, I'm gonna let
Saudi crown the other likely speed horse. If they say
I'm gonna let him go and I'm gonna settle off
this flank, well he hasn't done that before. And some horses,
you know, they're they're they're amazing creatures. But sometimes trying
something new in a race, it doesn't always work out.
So I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna end
up hooking up. There's gonna be plenty of pace, and
he'll be in front, like right out here where we are,
(14:45):
but then down there quarter mile down at the finish line,
I think it's gonna be the other three passing him
if they let him go. If he's loose on the lead,
I mean, he wins. He's very talented, and I'd never
knock anybody who was picking him, But for me, there's
more value looking at the other three now.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
But I feel like there's a horse every year named
Arabian Night. Like it's like like going back, they just
changed the color. They just changed the colors. They spelling
and turn it upside down a random apostrophe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ian Anderson, Jeff, all these bags really nearly using us.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Now, are you also breaking some kind of law by
not picking Bobby Baffort's horse? I mean, I think don't
you have to, like, don't you face some kind of
a disciplinary action if you don't pick a Bobby Bafford.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Not only am I not picking Bafford in the classic,
I'm not picking him in the juvenile either where he
has two very strong, very strong chances.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Uh, I'm gonna need to escort you out. You're gonna
need protection.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well, it's it is sort of a classic East Coast
versus Bobby. You're not That wasn't me. I was gonna say,
I'm tripping over the cord. I'm having a phone call. No,
mine is a house, not picking me. I gotta get
through the You don't.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You don't think he has the power to get through
to your phone, even if it's on silent. You might
he might. He might just have that push note.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, well I might have in that room that we
can't get into.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That tech billionaire that can do there. Hey, Jason, you
want to meet Derek. You get ford a talent in
front of me to talk about my horse. I've started
to talk about the juvenile. Go ahead. So it's a
great East Coast versus West Coast battle.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Baffort's got the two mouth is the one of his
two that I like the best. But there's two really
good horses from from back east, from Kentucky and New York,
one with the charming name of Timberlake and then the other.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'll let you make whatever pun you.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Wants coming, and then and the other the one that
I like is called Locked, and I think Locked is.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
My uh, he's the one I'm bading. I know that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But those that's another exact I think for me, I'll
play those three. I'll try to beat Prince of Monaco
in there, Locked, Timberlake and and Mooth and we'll see,
we'll see what the return is. Hopefully there'll be enough
of a return that that will be worth doing. But
the other cool thing about the Juvenile, of course, for
people that you know don't follow racing all the time,
is that these are the horses. This is the group
(17:03):
of horses generationally speaking, that will be in the Kentucky
Derby next year. So whichever horse wins the Juvenile, that
will be your early Kentucky Derby favorite in all likelihood.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so is there anything else on the Saturday? I mean,
I hate to call it an undercard because you look
at what the.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Ball Gray Iron Sharp will be wrestling against St. Jones. Yes, yes,
that's what's happening. And Cocob where it comes out. Oh yeah,
you'll forget Cocoby where Tito Santana.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Also, yeah, oh I loved Iron Mike Sharp back in
the day, he had that bed, he had that forearms.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, it was venture wo. He's had that bed forum
for about twenty years now. Monsoon. Oh yeah, he was
the best. He would always yell to in the middle
of the ring. You just go in the middle of
his matches. Well, I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It was such a different world back then because you'd watch,
you know, the Superstar Show on Saturday morning and the
SD Jones is an iron Mike Sharps of the world
would win against the complete jobbers.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But then you'd go and turn up at the garden
and they were the jobbers.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so it was like it was kind of like
this war, like, oh, these other guys must be really good.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It was a very very clever story. He's like Jones
at the guard, He's gonna beat the Iron Cheek. No,
the Iron Cheek is gonna win.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
They couldn't pay the superstars enough to appear on that televis.
It goes back to the Big Man's not paying talent.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But that's fine, but I'm the rest of the card. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Just going back to that million dollars two million dollar races,
is there is there another race that's got your There's.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So many good ones.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
One I want to talk about is the Breeders Cup mile.
Nowhere is the Olympic nature of the Breeders Cup more
evident than there where. You've got contenders from the USA, France, Japan, Ireland,
England and Canada. And that's the Canadian who I'm interested
in drawing the rail, which on the turf is a
good thing going two turns. Shirl's Spite is the name
(18:48):
of the horse, and this horse I believe they basically
brought back this year with the goal of running in
this race. I feel like the previous two runs have
been preps for this horses working very very well, and
you know, it is one of those funny things you
were talking. We were talking about years and everything. Happened
to chat with his exercise rider Ali the other night.
She had very nice things to say about how he's
coming into the race. Seems like he's ready for a
(19:10):
peak effort. He was third in this race last year
and now he's thirty to one and I think he
might be able to hit the board again. So Sheryl's
Spite is one that I'm very interested in. A mile
the terf for me, in many ways, the race of
the weekend, another real international affair. In this one, I
give France the advantage of Vivia le Bleue. We're going
to go with a course called Anesto, most recently third
(19:31):
in Europe's richest race, or one of Europe's richest races,
the pre de Larc de Triomphe in Paris, and runners
from that race have a very good record then shipping
and coming to the Breeders' Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
This horse just flew.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Home in that race overground, very similar to what he's
going to see here I think at Santa.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Nita, and he's going to be a good price.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I think five six, seven to eight, something like that,
because there's going to be so much attention on the
big clash at the top of the market, the Irish
monster Augusta Radan facing mosted Off another one of the
fastest horses in the world. It's a tremendous clash. I
can't wait to.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
See it now. They don't race around the Arcta Triumph
like that would be really cool because I stood on
the top of that and watch traffic and go, oh
my goodness, especially the John Leis john Wick movie too.
But I mean, if you put if you put the
track down, you could actually race around the ark if
you can put like a temporary track down. You know,
have you heard of the Palio Deciena? No, So what's that?
That sounds great?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So this is an Italian horse race, which is essentially
what you're describing. There's the big Palio, like the big
square in the middle of in the middle of Sienna,
and they have these different like teams of horses that
run around. They run around the square and it's just
this crazy, supposed to be this amazing spectacle. And if
you're one of the riders on for one of the teams,
(20:41):
essentially the CONTROTI I think they call them, and you're
supposed to win. The betting says you're supposed to win,
and you don't, it might be a little bit of
a dodgy time. Remember our guests.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Wow, oh yeah, yeah, that Louis. I mean we watched it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean it was part of an you know, Anthony
bore Dame thing talking about oh my god, now you.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Set me go back. Let let let's let's uh, let's
get back to this because I want it because this
is always something that's fascinating. But you talk about your
ears will always deceive you. You have to look at you
have to you have to trust your eyes. What do
you look at in a workout that that tells you, Okay, hey,
I'm feel good about this horse. Wait, I don't feel
good about this horse going, And maybe it changes how
you bet or how you see the race.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's there's a lot of feel involved, I'll say that
right away. But there's a certain blend of athleticism, energy
and balance that when you spend time around these animals,
which I'm lucky enough to do a lot, And this
isn't my area of expertise by any means. There there
are wonderful people who do this for that's that's all.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
They do.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Their clockers and they get out there with their stop
watch and they give their report on these horses. But uh,
for me, those are sort of the key elements, and
I'd say to anybody who wants to learn more about that,
go to the paddock for Grade one races, and go
to the paddock for really prestigious like first time starters
as two year olds and the ones that you know,
(21:57):
especially the ones that cost a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
At the sale.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You can go and you can you can kind of
start to get the impression of what a fast horse
looks like. And over time you're going to develop an
eye where you say, oh, I see that one's his
body's a little bit shorter, he's got you know uh.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And the old expression is and ask like a Westchester bus.
Just all this, all this expression, but I like it.
I've never heard down. We'll use west Chester. No, that's
the new horse, Westchester bus, west Chester bus and egalitarian.
All right. They got a lot going on behind the saddle.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And then you'll see the ones, you know, you'll see
ones these like more completely balanced horses that look like
they are. Over time you'll see, oh, that horse looks
like a turf miler. You start to recognize, you know what,
certain hooves are more apt to do well on turf
than dirt, and just all these things that you begin
to notice over time. But you know, it's it's very
much of an art, not a science, that part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right. So now tell us about in the money media.
You got a lot going You have your computer, you
get everything going on. What goes on there, So in the.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Money media, basically where a horse racing company that promotes
the promoter, a media company that promotes horse racing as
opposed to a horse racing company that promotes media. But
it started out with the podcast I was describing before,
but it's become so much more. We've now got a
whole family of podcasts covering different aspects of the industry,
a YouTube channel, a free newsletter in the Money podcast
dot com, slash email if you want to sign up
(23:17):
for that, completely free, a lot of great content on there,
the best way to sort of see everything going on.
So for an event like the Breeders' Cup, we'll have,
you know, basically write ups on every horse and as
well as best bets type shows. I was fortunate to
sit down yesterday with Jerry Bailey and Randy Moss, who
are the NBC lead team and doing the racing here
(23:37):
and get their thoughts. So it's really just all about
trying to create fun content and also to be an
on ram for players. You know, obviously racing it's not
where it was in the popular consciousness one hundred years ago.
We want to try to give people away in in
a way, learn and people to ask questions to and
be like sort of a de facto mentor as it were.
And it's so gratifying to me at an event like this
(23:58):
where I walk through the grandstand and a lot of
people come up and say, love what you're doing. You
really help get me into the sport. You know, the
contest that we put on, which i'd plug, but they're
not going to start again until June, so it's probably
no point. But all the different things that we do
can help people deep in their love of racing and
understand it more and understand why it is a really important. Uh,
(24:19):
it's an important and beneficial sport. And obviously there's there's
negative stories and I don't try, we don't try away
from that. You know, we're not looking to you know,
just just talk about positive stuff all the time. But
we want to help people understand and see the benefits
and and see that when it works, it can be
great sport. It can be great gambling game, and it
can be just a great time. And it's a galitarian
(24:40):
and it can be very egalitarian.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's true. All right. Let's those are the best best
interaction you've had with a fan or someone who's come
up to you, as you just mentioned. If it's Bo Derek,
that's fine. If it's someone else, it's someone else. I'll
tell you this one freaked me out yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It was yesterday, Okay, yeah, well he's.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And he's not.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I mean, he is a major player in the sport.
This is Amir Amir Zadan is his name. He's actually
the guy who owns Mooth. Please don't tell him I
picked against this horse. But he this guy, he spends.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He texted me, he just he just spent. You know.
Funny we talked about. That was a different interview.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But one of the big stories on the Friday Today
Tamera is this Philly who is whose mom is a
champion race mayor called Beholder. Anyway, Beholder had another baby
go through the sail ring at Saratoga. I mean played
like six million dollars. This guy big money, really knows
his stuff. And he came up to me and was like, oh, listen.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
To your shows all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's like really, he's like, what do you think of
my horses? You know, And we went through it and
I gave him give my honest opinions. I mean, I
think he goes with he goes with big shots, and
you know, but that was a really it's a very
recent one, but a very fun one.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, if people like that are listening to us.
We must be doing something right. I love all your
I love all your horses, every single one, every.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Single you want to give one away, you know, small guy.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
You go out to your car after the horses. This
side up there. Hey, here you go. All right, I
guess I got a horse. Got a gift the Denver Broncos.
We're in the final stretch to get tickets to horse
racing's biggest moment of the year, the world's best at
Santa Anita right here for Breeders World Championships today November three, tomorrow,
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at Breeders Cup dot com. Peter Thomas Fornatal. You can
(26:20):
check them out on Twitter at looms Boldly in the
Money media.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thanks so much to Stop and Buy Man. Had a
blast with you. This was fantastic. Come back tomorrow and
we'll you know, we'll have some bets and you know,
get a coffee or something.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Rally it again. Let's go great stuff is boy. So
much appreciate you, Thank you. I mean, there was so
much that we just had with with Peter.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
But I think egalitarian and Westchester Bus those should be
the way if you keep winning. We could buy a
horse today. We might like I keep set a lunch,
you know, instead of lunch, screw that, instead of lunch.
You just keep letting it ride. And then we keep
winning and winning and winning. And as long as you
have money to double, as long as you know if
you lose, you gotta double again again, you can go.
We can buy horse, maybe by one of those horses.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, waiting now, I've got some information coming from my brothers.
They were going to meet up over lunch to send
some more data. Or your brothers are here after they're
not here, they're back in Chicago, all right, all right,
all right, there's nothing. Look, man, no accusations. Your brothers
are all Richie from season one of them back, you
know what. You've said that often times. But they are, Yeah,
(27:22):
except that one of them wear suits. One of them
wear suits. So they both they both wear suits. Yeah,
they both wear suits. All right, So it is a
different kind of thing, you know. We I've even classed
it up. I put a collared shirt on for once,
so it's it's exciting. But I mean, twenty two races
over the two days, one hundred and seventy five horses.
There's betting in like I think it's twenty seven countries.
(27:44):
And in addition to just all the numbers, as you
know we were talking about with Peter, just all the
different stables coming over and coexisting and trying to find
their way around. It's just something spectacular. People think about
the Triple Crown all the time. It's like there's a
lot more racing, and then this is just a whole
(28:05):
other level.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
If you can get out here, great, if you can
watch great and listen to Peter Thomas Forna Tae see
how he does over the course of the next couple
of days. Enjoy the Breeders' Cup.
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