November 7, 2023 • 36 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the Cubs paying big money to take Craig Counsell from the Brewers (and the Mets). NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to react to Week 9 and discuss if Antonio Pierce could get the fulltime job as the Raiders head coach. Plus, the guys have 2 surprise quarterbacks that could win fantasy leagues this year!
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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up and say how much I hate football. I hate football,
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but it was a.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Worst camera work I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
First play of the second half, Zach Wilson finds Garrett
Wilson for about third and the Jets have the football
in Charger territory or close to it. I gotta see theyeah,
they're in charge of territory now. One play is better
than anything they did in the entire first half. And
you know what do I say, hey, how about instead
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of just making Zach Wilson throw everything three yards from
the line of scrimmage everything, how about you just let
him throw the football. How about you run a little
bit of hurry up. You let him throw the football
and let him open his open his wings a little bit,
and teams can't defend the Jets so close. How about
he was a little bit of some something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Or have him stand there as a pinata for Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, I don't want that, but but.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's what That's what they did for much of the
first half. Right eight drives four to three and outs
the strip sack fumble.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But on that play, don't forget the other fumble. Don't
forget the other fumble. Don't forget the other.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But this one, the thirty yard passed to Wilson. Wilson
wasn't on the screen. He was throwing it away. It's like,
who the hell is he throwing it to? Oh, it's like, oh,
zoom out look.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The broadcast obviously feels they have the book on Zach Wilson. Okay,
this is gonna fall in complete here.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh wait, no, there was another guy for running.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Up the sideline. The producer yells the cameraman, hey, man,
you gotta get on that, and the camera guy goes, hey, dude,
Zach Wilson, Man, I thought it was falling incomplete over
a guy's head. Oh, no, you're right, sorry about that.
You're right, we got it. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So on the plus side, he does have a lot
more passing yards than Justin Herbert does at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You know that. Yeah, look, look, let me let me
let me just let me just tell you the first
half of this game. Look, Chargers were up seventeen to three. Yeah,
second half of this game just started. As much of
positivity that I am filled with for the Jets and
how they've been fighting and how they're not going anywhere,
and despite the fact that they would dealt a hand
where Aaron Rodgers gets hurt after four snaps, that they fight,
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and they had incredibly bad losses this year. They fight
three times when they could have quit after losses to
New England or Kansas City, and then to watch Aaron
Rodgers throwing fifty yard bombs off his back foot before
the gates, and I'm thinking he could be back by
Thanksgiving the planet.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Look at the week after, Hey, come on what Really,
you're surprised about that era? Really that surprised me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's just laughaball. It's like, well, I mean, what's an
event going on? Hey, let's go to Santa Anita and
show up in the readers Cup, answer some questions, talks
to people, make fun of Bears fans, and then get
back out of plane so I could be there for
Monday Night football. It all works.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But I am telling you, man, it is where No
matter all that great positivity and everything they have going
on and all of this and Rogers coming back and
look how great it all is, nothing changes the fact
that this offense is terrible. Zach Wilson is bad, the
wide receivers outside of Garrett Wilson are all bad. It's
why they had to get somebody by the deadline. They
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should work out Martavis Bryant tomorrow. And the offensive line
is injured in every week there are three new starters.
Nothing's gonna change that, right, nothing's notice The only guy
I didn't mention was Briest Hall because he's great, and
Garrett Wilson's great too. But nothing's gonna change that that
the Jets offense is terrible, and anytime I get filled
with all this great feeling like I remember, Oh yeah,
just because I'm feeling great doesn't mean the offense is
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going to be able to move the football at all.
That's where I am. That's the big reality is that
this offense is just always going to struggle and it's
always going to stink until eight comes back. And when
it comes back, maybe things will be better. But until
that point, this is what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Zero touchdowns on their last thirty four drives starting on
their side of the fifty. That's the graphic on the
Monday night telecast as we sit here live atthetirerac dot
Com studios. But a good drive here to open the
third quarter, playing with some pace, operational efficiency, and as
I say that, he holds the ball too long and
gess that swarmed.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Why what are you doing to me?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Man?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
What are you doing? Just say yes, Jason, I agree
with you. Stay the hell away from Mac and Bosa.
I'm saying, didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
How bad the offense is, and the offense is driving
down the field and you decide to say, oh, I'm
gonna be mister contrary in and say hey, yes, And
I just had to take the picture and that they
were only doing what you and I have talked about
for eight weeks. No, and he's gotten the ball out fast,
and he's gotten the ball outside of the the tackle
box and he's making throws and what happened. There's no
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picture to pitting up, there's no picture to paint. They're
saying the right things against the Jets in the end zone.
I'm telling you how bad they are as they move
the football the only time in this game. And you
decide to come in and be mister positive.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I tried to he's doing and then it is a
domas it took two sacks in a row.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Two sacks in a row. Now that's no, that's you.
That is completely you because I tried to throw him flowers.
And then they show a guy that just lost his
soul every sitting in the until you decided to open
your mouth and go, yes, he's playing. Well, why why
why do you have to We're having a good drive.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What am I gonna lie to the people? You tell
a man of the picture, I'm a man for America.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You tell you tell people what happens when it's over,
and they know, and then you know because there's so
much back and forth. Well, what's happening. What's happening right now?
Right now, they're having a good When the Jets finish
this drive, we will tell you what happens. It's a touchdown,
it's a field goal, it's a missfield goal shows and
that's what I'm talking about, a difference of thirty seconds. Yeah,
I'm talking there's a thirty second difference. That's all we
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have to do when you decide I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do this, this, this is now.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It was my turn to talk, and he was driving them.
But you shouldn't have said that the idea. I was
telling the truth. You should have something the ball well
against what is here to for been a pretty shoddy
Chargers secondary throughout the season, and finally playing with some
pace and finding some space, and then what happens. Your
offensive line betrayed you once again, and Zach it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Tell you, I tell you how bad the offense is.
They complete passes and move down the field. You decide
to say, hey, things are good. Two sacks, No no, no,
I said they were in the multi sacks. I was
talking about a three minute period to start a second half.
This is me being a starting pitcher, leaving the game
after eight giving you the ball, saying, hey, man, bring
it home. I went eight innings, no runs. I'm leaving
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you with a runner on first, but I've thrown one
hundred and twenty. Guy that did just close the game.
You're in. You can wait a minute, and you come
in and throw one pitch and the guy hits it
into the stands and we lose two to one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's you.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's better analogy. You're the guy that's the local representative
in municipality. You name your city or state.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Okay, already my already my my funneling cash that yours
is too complement hiding stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And then I come in and I find it, and
you tell me not to tell anybody about it. That's
that's exactly what happened there. You can't even make that
a pitch for a movie in Hollywood people. I don't
understand what you say my analogy was. I'll just say
it's been done. Eight strong innings. You come in and
give up strong innings, and you're sitting here. Your whole
thing is as soon as you get to that, I'm
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by my fourth reliever.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
By the end of the eighth inning, all right, I'm
the middle reliever who pitched a great eight. I didn't
throw a lot of pitches, but the but the skipper says, Okay,
we're gonna go to you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You don't get a second inning. It's not great.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Council, because you know we couldn't get great council, but
it's it's still. Hey, we're gonna go get to this
guy and you come trotting it. Hey, everybody, how's everybody doing?
It's a fun game, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And everybody else is all sweaty from the game because
they've played eight innings and they just needs you to
throw like five pitches. Just throw five pitches, mister helper,
mister I'm happy. I'm not even breaking a sweat. Hey,
where are we going after the game? Anybody got any
lip bombed? Yeah, this is great, this is fun. And
then you give up a home run and they want
to kill you coming on though, Stefan Diggs said he
was hadn't broken a sweat when he was mad going
to halftime yesterday that Bill's Bengals game.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
But we got plenty of time talking about that. You
mentioned Craig Council. We'll get deeper into that as the
show goes on but for America, because maybe it didn't
pop up in your x slash Twitter feed. Craig Counsel's
contract would be the eleventh largest free agent deal ever
signed by the White Sox. Yeah, yeah, look, there you
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had a real I've had kind of a sports day. Okay, Yes,
Nick's beat the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah they won. Yeah, hey, James Harden, welcome back to
the NBA. Syracuse wins their first game, Adrian Autry. Right,
we've a little bit tougher than expected. Syracuse wins. The
Mets don't get Craig Council, we get Carlos Mendoza instead.
And I understand that you have a sandwich. I understand. Yeah, yeah,
definite on sandwich that Yeah, then you're on the plus
and and now I'm gonna watch the Jets now losing
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by eleven and this eleven point deva goal, this eleven
point devasit seems like it's fifty because the offense.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Is offense moved down the field though to get you
in the field.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, until you decided to start talking and say like
this is fantastic. No, no, no, now they're for thirty five.
You may as well just said all matters now is
who's getting the touchdown. That's all matters. Who's getting the touchdown?
That's all matters now. Said they were moving the ball
one yeah you you you look you start calling me
jinks now being listen, hey Jinx, listen you so what happened?
(09:59):
Will you may you may see in the cooler you
know what happened there? You just understand that to hang
out with Maria Bello for just no yeah, yeah, I'll
take that. Ron Livingston made that call though, I mean really,
Ron living It really, Peter Gibbons get it kind of
goes against type for Rod liv what's happening of all
his characters throughout his acting history. That's kind of the outline.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It is good movie though. So anyway, so here are
the Jets Chargers. Chargers lead at seventeen to six, nine
and a half to go in the third quarterfield goal
by the Jets has cut it to the eleven point lead.
The Chargers two turnovers early got them a fourteen nothing lead,
and the Jets have been trying to play catch up
ever since. Well, they celebrated your punter, and then at
eighty seven you heard pund o, Yeah, yeah about that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's celebrate this guy. You let to pump him up
as the greatest. Yeah, that low line driving. Oh it's
rich Arnable, not great, Bob, not great. That was not great, Bob,
not great. But you mentioned the big managerial movements today
that we saw, and.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Is it okay? Is it a great optic that David Stearns,
who ran the Brewers forever, the only manager he ever
had work for him was Craig Counsel. He runs the
Mets and Craig Counsel is basically a slam dunk for
the Mets. Is it a great optic that Craig Council
is now the manager of the Cubs. No, it's not.
But I'm gonna say two things. One, Craig Council, who
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at the last minute went to the Cubs today for
a huge raison. All we've heard is that it's way
more money than the Mets offered. And what I've read
from some people is that, of course Council didn't really
want to go to the Mets, and they felt that
maybe he was his interest wasn't quite what it was
for another job, and surprised because that's what happened. So
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I think the Mets offer came a little bit lower,
and look, is it a great optic that, hey, here's
the guys supposed to be a slam dunk managerial higher
and they don't get him. No, it's not a great optic.
But at the same time, if the guy doesn't want
to come, what are you gonna do? Right, he didn't.
He didn't want to be the Mets manager. He didn't
want to be he could have been. He waited, he
hung out. What he want wanted to do, which is
what a lot of people do to New York teams
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or big market teams, is that yes, I'm going to
feign interest just to drive the price up. Craig Counsel
wanted to get paid. He wanted to make a lot
of money, and he wanted to stay close to the Midwest.
And now the Cubs offer him a chance to do that,
the fact that he took the job before they even
fired David Ross. I mean, come on, man, this guy
wanted two things. He wanted money and he wanted to
have what he wanted to staying close to the Midwest.
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So no, while it's not a great optic, I can't
say I'm that bummed. I mean, did I want Craig Council, Sure,
But in the end, you know what, Buck show Walter
had two years as Mets manager. One year the Mets
were really good, one year the Mets weren't good. Did
this mean Buck Showalter suddenly went from one year being
a good manager one year being a batman. No, this
is how it goes. Hiring a manager is like hire
is like getting a big time free agent. You do
all your work and you sign it. But then you
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have to hope, right, You got to hope that everything
you put in is going to put out here. All
the research you put in, all the work you put in, Hey,
this should work, but you don't know until you hit
the field. So yeah, did I want Craig Counsel, Of
course I did. Look, guys are good managers, great reputation
out of baseball. But you know what, so does Carlos Mendoza.
Like eight teams have talked to the guy and they've
wanted him, So okay, maybe Mendoza works. My biggest thing
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I always worry about is can the guy handle New York. Well,
the guy's been in New York for a while on
the bench of the Yank. I think he actually managed
more games than Aaron Boone this year. Well, he certainly did,
because every time Aaron Boon got tossed. Hey, all right, everybody,
I'm in charge.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So as doesn't count on his managerial record, like when
Luke Walton became the hot property, even though those wins
were going to Steve Kerr.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But yeah, so as long as I know that he
can handle New York, because that was the problem with
Luis Rojas, who hey, great managerial mind. All of these
things moved up through the Met's minor league system. Couln't
handle New York, couldn't handle the big problems going on
on a big stage, and just seem like a minor
character when McNeil and Lindor are fighting and they said
no it was over a rat. So as long as
the guy, as long as I know he can handle
New York. Okay, I mean this is not something to
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go crazy about the people to go crazy about. Boy
did the Cubs do David Ross dirty?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here's the thing, how did they do? Speculation? Probably two
months ago, well, actually it would be a month. I
guess as the collapse happened, that he was likely to
be moved into one of those advisor front office. You're
an auxiliary kind of guy, and that they'd be looking
for another manager because they didn't have managerial experience. And
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in Chicago they celebrate it, going, well, this was a
guy that should have never gotten no, no, no, he
was a good clubhouse guy. And we're watching Look Antonio Pierce.
It's only one game, but look at they wanted to
play for him. He had a laundry list of reasons
why he shouldn't have been hired into that role. But
for a game at work for David Ross, they played
well until it was time for them to really execute
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some of the managerial stuff you need to do down
the stretch to stave off elimination, to hold off the Diamondbacks,
which he was not able to do. So counsel becomes available,
and here's the other part of it, and you'll love
this one. If in theory, the Mets aren't gonna go
crazy in free agent spending, right, if we take that
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at its surface, what we were told a while back,
Cubs are Cubs are going after everybody and anything that
gets within the white lines of a baseball diamond. So
if I'm Greg Counsel and I'm getting those assurances not
to mention a big fat check, yeah, I'm going to
Chicago and.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I go and win. I don't think he ever wanted
to go. I think he wanted to use, like Kirk
Cousins us, the Jets to get the deal he wanted
from the summer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He used the Mets to get the deal he wanted,
either from Milwaukee or someplace else, which knew would be
someplace else, because Milwaukee could have paid him if they want.
If there was mutual interest in staying, he would have stayed.
You know the other part of it, Morosi might have
overruled Sternsy. The Pope might have come over the top
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Jason lock and for it, Jaylaw. What's happening, Bud?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What's going on? Gentlemen?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Buddy?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We're talking for the first time since Jim Beheim is
not the head coach of Syracuse basketball.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
My daughter is there with their friends, sending me pictures
from the Carrier Dome. We just got back from a
family weekend ourselves, my wife and I on Sunday morning.
So yeah, she's there for the historic moment. Nice good
Ridge Beheim.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow, that's a hot take.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, meeting the kids from the Daily Orange like crap,
you know, the ones who were paying a sally and
paying that exorbitant tuition that's now even more ridiculous than ever.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All Right, So while we're passing in the law of
Syracuse win because I don't know how many we're going
to get. We saw a couple of big statements made
this weekend. If I said to you, fill in the blank,
the best team in the NFL is either the Ravens
or the Eagles, who are you giving me?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, yeah, I mean I really think that that is.
It's one or the other. Right, I kind of feel
like they're in their own tier. They have played their
way into their own tier. Who would I say? I mean,
I might lean Eagles. It's not a strong lead. It's
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coin flip, you know. I think Baltimore has been buy
and large and much better health, certainly much better health
than they've been in in recent years. And I feel
like the Eagles have had to deal with maybe a
little bit more injury adversity, and maybe the Eagles hit
another gear, you know, if they get a little healthier,
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which you know, I kind of feel like they're rounding
into But both are balanced football teams. I think the
Ravens secondary is obviously superior of Philadelphia's this year. But again,
I think they just made a significant trade for a safety.
You know, what is that?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
A little over a week Ago. I you know, I
believe that unit will will get better, is getting better,
and they just find ways to win close games. And
it's not that the Ravens don't if you just look
at their record, but the Ravens over the last couple
of years have had their share of fourth quarter issues.
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So I would give a slightest of slight lead leans
to the to the Eagles. But the look, there's a
reason we're talking about these two teams at the onset
and that doesn't mean that Kansas City should be written off.
And that doesn't mean that San Francisco can't get healthier
in the second hal half and and get some stuff going.
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But yeah, I think, uh, the mid Atlantic region is
being served very well right now in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Got to talk about the excitement of the AFC North
and for the Ravens, don't look in the rear view mirror.
You know, objects are closer than they may appear. Suddenly,
Cincinnati the only guy ever to get healthier while playing
injury is kind of a big deal.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, right through it for five weeks and then it'll
all come you know. Yeah, well, look that's a that's
the hell of a football team. It has been for
years now, and that's another team that knows how to win.
And and all of these you go back now parts
of three seasons, and they they really start to ascend
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in October for whatever reason. I guess the common denominator
would probably be the quarterbacks health. But it's a pretty
darn good defense too, and the coordinator knows what he's doing,
he knows how to keep things in front of them,
and they've had to adjust to life without the two
veteran safeties, and I think you've seen them coalesce on
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the back end as the season's gone on, and when
Joe Burrow is in the kind of form he's in
right now, and they're as healthy as they are. And
we'll have to see about Jamar Chase because obviously he
did take a heck of a fall there to the
lower back upper buttock region. But when they've got him
going and Higgins going and Boyd going, and now they've
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even got a few tight ends showing up like geez
a whiz, you know, And they don't run it that well,
but they run it just well enough that if you
want to sit back there and play it two or
three man shell, then you know Burrow will check out
us some stuff and he'll give Mixon a you know,
a shot or two, and he'll do just enough most
of the time. So yeah, it's a formidable group. And
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I would you know, right now they look better than
Kansas City as well. You know, I think Cincinnati looks
better than anybody in the in the AFC East, So
you know, don't sleep from Jacksonville either. I mean, what
they've done with the gauntlet that they've faced from a
travel standpoint, and now them getting to catch their breadth
you know, at the buy and they've got, you know,
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meeting looming with Baltimore, but the rest of their schedule
doesn't look nearly as daunting as some other teams, so
I think they'll have something to do with it as well.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Jason Locking for NFL Insider our guest The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Carmon, live from the tirec dot Com Studios.
All right, let's get to all these crazy rumors now
coming out of New England. Look, the Patriots lose again,
the Commanders get the w and we've heard rumblings that
of there could be a trade from Belichick to the Commanders.
Now we're hearing the Bears could be interested if something
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like this happens. What are you hearing? What's the possibility
we can actually see Bill Belichick get traded at some point?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, I wrote a while back at the Washington Post
that it's interesting you mentioned those two teams because I wrote,
I mean, it's probably been close to a month now
that that thing was over a new end, and Bob,
you know, Bob Craft had seen enough, and Bob Craft
certainly had the stones to fire this guy if that's
what it came to. But most likely you're going to
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see a parting of the ways that he's going to
want to explore other options and they're going to want
to go in a different direction. And I think it'll
be fairly amicable. I don't think Bob Kraft wants to
go through what sort of the end of the Tom
Brady thing was. I think I'll want to rip this
wound off, you know, rip the band aid off, and
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let this guy go on his way, and he'll go
on his way and that'll be that. And yeah, I've heard,
you know that he's got a lot of interest in
Washington and that appeals to him. I don't know if
that's you know, mutual We've got a wild card there
and a new owner, and you know, does he want
to bring in a seventy two year old guy to
(23:55):
run the whole thing? Like I don't know. That feels
a little bit like Joe Gibbs, you know, like I
know that wasn't him. But those kind of things rarely work,
and I would think they're trying to build something for
the long haul there, but who knows. And then obviously
Bill Belichick, being the history buff that he is, breaking
that record in hallis Hall would would have a special
(24:16):
significance to him. So yeah, and there's a lot of
rumors out there about Mike Rabel and Nick Cassario maybe
coming back to the Nest and them landing in New
England when I'm not even gonna say if when Bill
Belichick leaves, you know, a trade, I just I don't
know if it comes to all that. You know, I
(24:37):
just think he's gone and they're going in a different direction,
and it'll be fascinating to watch all this unfold.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You saw Rabel get the Heroes welcome, you know, a
couple of weeks ago, and the Patriots put up their
best effort ever. Now in Las Vegas, we had a
scene reminiscent of the Wizard of oz Ding Dong. The
Witch is dead because Josh mcdanielson gets balanced. Everybody's smoking cigars,
playing basketball, lose main Antonio Peers true audition for the
(25:10):
job or placeholder. Either way, it worked for a week,
but it was the Giants on the other side.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, but that was a dismantling and I think he
has a real opportunity here. Look, Mark Davis, we know
is a wild card, and people have talked to about
this situation around the league. You know, many of them
do go back to the Rich Pasaccia situation. Not to
say that Mark Davis would go back to him, but
(25:37):
to say that if Mark Davis, who's had difficulty sort
of coming up with a culture there that is sort
of player friendly, that people want to be a part of,
that is sustainable and relatable, that this might be the
direction he goes. I mean, that's a locker room where
(25:57):
they all wanted out, anybody who had t value wanted
out at the deadline, and the owner is aware of it.
Do some of those guys now buy back in? And
certainly they seem to have short term wise, right because
of Antonio Pierce and because of this very different dynamic
and a very different leadership style. And I don't think
they're going to finish seven and five like they did
(26:19):
with Pisacia, right, And remember they beat the Cowboys on
Thanksgiving in Dallas and they damn near beat Cincinnati in
a playoff game. I don't think this Raiders team is
going to go that far. But I also don't think
they have to go that far. Oh and he's you know,
younger and much much cheaper, and Mark Davis is still
paying Gruden and you know McDaniels, So no, And I
(26:44):
think you know, also, we see a lot of coaches
of color in this league kind of get chewed up
and spit out as the interim guy who are never
really given a real chance. And I think Mark Davis
knows about his dad's legacy in this week and his
dad being one of the most progressive owners, maybe the
(27:05):
most progressive owner this league has ever seen. And Antonio
Pierce growing up in Compton and being a Raiders fan
like you, No, I think they fight hard and they
win a few games, Like I don't think it's out
of the question because it's not the most attractive job
in the world. And I don't think Mark Davis wants
to go out there and win bidding wars for some
(27:25):
other unknown quantity. I think that there could be some
real residence if Antonio Pierce put something together.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
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as always, Buddy, appreciate you kicking off the Adrian Autry
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Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yes, Chloe's there. He's got a T shirt and everything.
I think they probably gave it. I guess you might
even ask. I guess they gave out T shirt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
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Speaker 1 (27:53):
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Chargers in the Jets. Chargers have the football early in
(28:25):
the fourth quarter. The Jets had a chance to get
a turnover inside the Chargers fifteen yard line. Yeah, they
sack Justin Herbert. He fumbles Michael Clemens for some ridiculous Well,
I'll tell you why. Michael Clemens decides, I'm gonna try
to scoop and score when the ball is at Justin
Herbert's hands, Like Herbert's on the ground and the ball
(28:47):
is right there, You're not going to scoop and score
on that. You gotta scoop and score when it's in
the open field and there's if you don't scoop it,
you can fall on it. But he tries to scoop it,
he can't grab the football instead of falling on it,
which would have been the Jets ball in side the fifteen,
it's reeled back in by Herbert and the Chargers still
have the football now facing a third and four near midfield.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Now, for be fair, if he'd actually gone and dive
to the ground to get the ball and he made
contact with Herbert, he was gonna get penalized. It's the
NFL in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You can't do that. But I just you try the
scoop and square, you know, and for all.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
This you're flat footed and kind of bending, I.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Mean, and the thing is and I get the offense
is not playing well, and you want to try to
do some things and you want to try to make
the play, but you know, this is just the Jets.
They play so undisciplined, and this is on Robert Sala,
who as good of a coach as he is. Then
too many penalties, you're seeing it tonight, So many penalties
for the Jets, and on disciplined plays like that, not
making the smart the right play. Let's give the football
(29:45):
to the offense inside the fifteen yard line. Right, No,
we're gonna make mistake. We're gonna continue to do that.
And that's on Robert Sala and for all the time. Hey,
the players like him, and now he's got a great
defensive system. All that's great. You still see here they
struggle with plays where they need to make him because
that need to go down.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Just give the headset to Rogers and be done with it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And now they have the ball at midfield instead of
the Jets having the ball inside the fifteen yard line.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, you could drive the length though, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
I hate football. I hate football. I hate football. I
hate it. I've never liked football. I hate it. I
hate football.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
We've always, you know, kind of thought that based on
some of your prior commentaries, but certainly right now I
am watching you die a little bit because every bounce,
every time the ball hits the turf, had to getty
to do it. The chargers, it magically pops back in
their hands like fix It Felix Spam Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Are living right right and charge of living right. But
the Jets just make two really horrendous mistakes. And on
the drive of the game where they had the ball
at the Chargers forty, I can kind to have it
kind of drive, they say, they wind up hunting on
fourth and thirty. Right, We'll get into the jets lack
of discipline and why I want to bang my head
against the wall coming up in a few minutes. But
(31:44):
it looks like we're going to be talking about the
Jets falling to four and four, the Chargers getting back
to five hundred. They have a two touchdown lead and
the football with under seven minutes left to go. But
two big quarterbacks want to tell you about a little
bit tonight. And because I'm such a nice guy back
that Mike's gonna talk about, I am more than happy
to hear him talk about a guy, especially if you're
(32:07):
looking for somebody in fantasy the last couple of weeks
of your season, who do you think we should pick up?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Mike, we're just talking about stashing, right, So we were talking.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
A little bit. Hold on Sack.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I like the other guy better because I actually predicted
where he's got Burshinger's there. He's my producer on the podcast.
I said it before the trade deadline, but watching your
guy throw fifty yard passes and they look at me,
look at me moment on the field there before the
Jets kicked off. I still want all the medicals that
I want to behind the scenes, minute by minute of
everything that actually transpired with his magical leg This is
(32:42):
like magical me.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Mm hmmm. You'd be leaving with every signed book I
have for you.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I don't want all of those books.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Damn it, Harry, give me those books.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah. Anyway, I'm looking at Rogers like long term. Like
as we go through and part of the I watch
Lex podcast, we do the waiver look aheads and part
of it is playing defense for down the road. And
as I'm learning and we're getting feedback, and certainly in
the leagues we're playing, people are leaving way too many
damn bench slots out there. So why not go grab
(33:16):
Aaron Rodgers and dash him at the end of your
And here's my general philosophy on this. You may never
use him, you may never activate him, he may ever
actually see the field again. But here's what you're doing.
You're playing defense that suddenly you're in the playoffs. Your
quarterback gets hurt because we're already up to ten rookie quarterbacks.
(33:37):
Once your boy de Vido takes his first snap, Tommy
Tommy time cues Yo, Yeah, that'll be great. Once he
takes his first snap, that's ten rookie quarterbacks. Your quarterback
may not survive. What you don't want to see is
in the playoffs, all of a sudden, old number eight
popping up against you, with that defense giving him a
good field position and then being able to stand there.
I think he's going to be even Dan Marino asked,
(33:58):
he doesn't have to move but about three feet side
to well.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It doesn't matter. Hey, they're gonna sack you, just take
a knee. So where about rud Just take a knee.
We'll work, we'll get the next play.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So it's a mantra I've I've been preaching and a
strategy forever. You're also playing defense, even if you better
to die on your bench than kill you in an
active spot for your opponent.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll give you a guy who can win you your
fantasy league that might still widely be available, and you
can play him every week. Josh Dobbs is gonna win
people fantasy leagues this year.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
He's also getting the Vikings into the playoffs before this
is all done. They're number seven right now.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There's a lot of quarterbacks who are disappointing, a lot
of quarterbacks who are hurt. Josh Dobbs shows up yesterday
not taking a snap in practice with the Vikings, leads
them to a win and over twenty fantasy points. Now,
why like Josh Dobbs so much as yes, he's got
a good he's got a good offen, he's got good
receivers of throw to Justin Jefferson will be back soon,
(35:00):
but mainly he ran for sixty six yards yesterday. He
is a guy that makes plays with his legs. And
the thing about the Vikings is they don't like any
of their running backs. They can't run the football. Alexander Madison,
Alexander Madison stinks, and Cam Akers is out for the
year now with a torn achilles, so there's nobody. So
you know, we gonna wind up running the football more.
(35:21):
They'll be designed runs for him, and he's going to
be a guy that will get you six to eight
points running the football every week. He's going to a
lot of people fantasy he's.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Gonna be the curiosity of whether they trust or like
ty Chandler at all. But to your point about Dobbs,
even before this week, he already had five games of
at least forty rushing yards and.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
On a better team.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Now he's had a rushing touchdown in three straight weeks,
so on opportunity on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
A team that's not tanking. Telling you Josh Dobbs is
going to a lot of people fantasy championships, exit out
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up and say how much I hate football. I hate football,
(00:50):
but it was a.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Worst camera work I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
First play of the second half, Zach Wilson finds Garrett
Wilson for about third and the Jets have the football
in Charger territory or close to it. I gotta see theyeah,
they're in charge of territory now. One play is better
than anything they did in the entire first half. And
you know what do I say, hey, how about instead
(01:15):
of just making Zach Wilson throw everything three yards from
the line of scrimmage everything, how about you just let
him throw the football. How about you run a little
bit of hurry up. You let him throw the football
and let him open his open his wings a little bit,
and teams can't defend the Jets so close. How about
he was a little bit of some something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Or have him stand there as a pinata for Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, I don't want that, but but.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's what That's what they did for much of the
first half. Right eight drives four to three and outs
the strip sack fumble.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But on that play, don't forget the other fumble. Don't
forget the other fumble. Don't forget the other.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But this one, the thirty yard passed to Wilson. Wilson
wasn't on the screen. He was throwing it away. It's like,
who the hell is he throwing it to? Oh, it's like, oh,
zoom out look.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The broadcast obviously feels they have the book on Zach Wilson. Okay,
this is gonna fall in complete here.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh wait, no, there was another guy for running.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Up the sideline. The producer yells the cameraman, hey, man,
you gotta get on that, and the camera guy goes, hey, dude,
Zach Wilson, Man, I thought it was falling incomplete over
a guy's head. Oh, no, you're right, sorry about that.
You're right, we got it. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So on the plus side, he does have a lot
more passing yards than Justin Herbert does at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You know that. Yeah, look, look, let me let me
let me just let me just tell you the first
half of this game. Look, Chargers were up seventeen to three. Yeah,
second half of this game just started. As much of
positivity that I am filled with for the Jets and
how they've been fighting and how they're not going anywhere,
and despite the fact that they would dealt a hand
where Aaron Rodgers gets hurt after four snaps, that they fight,
(02:49):
and they had incredibly bad losses this year. They fight
three times when they could have quit after losses to
New England or Kansas City, and then to watch Aaron
Rodgers throwing fifty yard bombs off his back foot before
the gates, and I'm thinking he could be back by
Thanksgiving the planet.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Look at the week after, Hey, come on what Really,
you're surprised about that era? Really that surprised me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's just laughaball. It's like, well, I mean, what's an
event going on? Hey, let's go to Santa Anita and
show up in the readers Cup, answer some questions, talks
to people, make fun of Bears fans, and then get
back out of plane so I could be there for
Monday Night football. It all works.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But I am telling you, man, it is where No
matter all that great positivity and everything they have going
on and all of this and Rogers coming back and
look how great it all is, nothing changes the fact
that this offense is terrible. Zach Wilson is bad, the
wide receivers outside of Garrett Wilson are all bad. It's
why they had to get somebody by the deadline. They
(03:47):
should work out Martavis Bryant tomorrow. And the offensive line
is injured in every week there are three new starters.
Nothing's gonna change that, right, nothing's notice The only guy
I didn't mention was Briest Hall because he's great, and
Garrett Wilson's great too. But nothing's gonna change that that
the Jets offense is terrible, and anytime I get filled
with all this great feeling like I remember, Oh yeah,
just because I'm feeling great doesn't mean the offense is
(04:09):
going to be able to move the football at all.
That's where I am. That's the big reality is that
this offense is just always going to struggle and it's
always going to stink until eight comes back. And when
it comes back, maybe things will be better. But until
that point, this is what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Zero touchdowns on their last thirty four drives starting on
their side of the fifty. That's the graphic on the
Monday night telecast as we sit here live atthetirerac dot
Com studios. But a good drive here to open the
third quarter, playing with some pace, operational efficiency, and as
I say that, he holds the ball too long and
gess that swarmed.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Why what are you doing to me?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Man?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
What are you doing? Just say yes, Jason, I agree
with you. Stay the hell away from Mac and Bosa.
I'm saying, didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
How bad the offense is, and the offense is driving
down the field and you decide to say, oh, I'm
gonna be mister contrary in and say hey, yes, And
I just had to take the picture and that they
were only doing what you and I have talked about
for eight weeks. No, and he's gotten the ball out fast,
and he's gotten the ball outside of the the tackle
box and he's making throws and what happened. There's no
(05:13):
picture to pitting up, there's no picture to paint. They're
saying the right things against the Jets in the end zone.
I'm telling you how bad they are as they move
the football the only time in this game. And you
decide to come in and be mister positive.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I tried to he's doing and then it is a
domas it took two sacks in a row.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Two sacks in a row. Now that's no, that's you.
That is completely you because I tried to throw him flowers.
And then they show a guy that just lost his
soul every sitting in the until you decided to open
your mouth and go, yes, he's playing. Well, why why
why do you have to We're having a good drive.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What am I gonna lie to the people? You tell
a man of the picture, I'm a man for America.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You tell you tell people what happens when it's over,
and they know, and then you know because there's so
much back and forth. Well, what's happening. What's happening right now?
Right now, they're having a good When the Jets finish
this drive, we will tell you what happens. It's a touchdown,
it's a field goal, it's a missfield goal shows and
that's what I'm talking about, a difference of thirty seconds. Yeah,
I'm talking there's a thirty second difference. That's all we
(06:09):
have to do when you decide I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do this, this, this is now.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It was my turn to talk, and he was driving them.
But you shouldn't have said that the idea. I was
telling the truth. You should have something the ball well
against what is here to for been a pretty shoddy
Chargers secondary throughout the season, and finally playing with some
pace and finding some space, and then what happens. Your
offensive line betrayed you once again, and Zach it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Tell you, I tell you how bad the offense is.
They complete passes and move down the field. You decide
to say, hey, things are good. Two sacks, No no, no,
I said they were in the multi sacks. I was
talking about a three minute period to start a second half.
This is me being a starting pitcher, leaving the game
after eight giving you the ball, saying, hey, man, bring
it home. I went eight innings, no runs. I'm leaving
(06:58):
you with a runner on first, but I've thrown one
hundred and twenty. Guy that did just close the game.
You're in. You can wait a minute, and you come
in and throw one pitch and the guy hits it
into the stands and we lose two to one.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's you.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's better analogy. You're the guy that's the local representative
in municipality. You name your city or state.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Okay, already my already my my funneling cash that yours
is too complement hiding stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And then I come in and I find it, and
you tell me not to tell anybody about it. That's
that's exactly what happened there. You can't even make that
a pitch for a movie in Hollywood people. I don't
understand what you say my analogy was. I'll just say
it's been done. Eight strong innings. You come in and
give up strong innings, and you're sitting here. Your whole
thing is as soon as you get to that, I'm
(07:43):
by my fourth reliever.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
By the end of the eighth inning, all right, I'm
the middle reliever who pitched a great eight. I didn't
throw a lot of pitches, but the but the skipper says, Okay,
we're gonna go to you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You don't get a second inning. It's not great.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Council, because you know we couldn't get great council, but
it's it's still. Hey, we're gonna go get to this
guy and you come trotting it. Hey, everybody, how's everybody doing?
It's a fun game, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And everybody else is all sweaty from the game because
they've played eight innings and they just needs you to
throw like five pitches. Just throw five pitches, mister helper,
mister I'm happy. I'm not even breaking a sweat. Hey,
where are we going after the game? Anybody got any
lip bombed? Yeah, this is great, this is fun. And
then you give up a home run and they want
to kill you coming on though, Stefan Diggs said he
was hadn't broken a sweat when he was mad going
to halftime yesterday that Bill's Bengals game.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
But we got plenty of time talking about that. You
mentioned Craig Council. We'll get deeper into that as the
show goes on but for America, because maybe it didn't
pop up in your x slash Twitter feed. Craig Counsel's
contract would be the eleventh largest free agent deal ever
signed by the White Sox. Yeah, yeah, look, there you
(08:47):
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Nick's beat the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah they won. Yeah, hey, James Harden, welcome back to
the NBA. Syracuse wins their first game, Adrian Autry. Right,
we've a little bit tougher than expected. Syracuse wins. The
Mets don't get Craig Council, we get Carlos Mendoza instead.
And I understand that you have a sandwich. I understand. Yeah, yeah,
definite on sandwich that Yeah, then you're on the plus
and and now I'm gonna watch the Jets now losing
(09:27):
by eleven and this eleven point deva goal, this eleven
point devasit seems like it's fifty because the offense.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Is offense moved down the field though to get you
in the field.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, until you decided to start talking and say like
this is fantastic. No, no, no, now they're for thirty five.
You may as well just said all matters now is
who's getting the touchdown. That's all matters. Who's getting the touchdown?
That's all matters now. Said they were moving the ball
one yeah you you you look you start calling me
jinks now being listen, hey Jinx, listen you so what happened?
(09:59):
Will you may you may see in the cooler you
know what happened there? You just understand that to hang
out with Maria Bello for just no yeah, yeah, I'll
take that. Ron Livingston made that call though, I mean really,
Ron living It really, Peter Gibbons get it kind of
goes against type for Rod liv what's happening of all
his characters throughout his acting history. That's kind of the outline.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It is good movie though. So anyway, so here are
the Jets Chargers. Chargers lead at seventeen to six, nine
and a half to go in the third quarterfield goal
by the Jets has cut it to the eleven point lead.
The Chargers two turnovers early got them a fourteen nothing lead,
and the Jets have been trying to play catch up
ever since. Well, they celebrated your punter, and then at
eighty seven you heard pund o, Yeah, yeah about that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Let's celebrate this guy. You let to pump him up
as the greatest. Yeah, that low line driving. Oh it's
rich Arnable, not great, Bob, not great. That was not great, Bob,
not great. But you mentioned the big managerial movements today
that we saw, and.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Is it okay? Is it a great optic that David Stearns,
who ran the Brewers forever, the only manager he ever
had work for him was Craig Counsel. He runs the
Mets and Craig Counsel is basically a slam dunk for
the Mets. Is it a great optic that Craig Council
is now the manager of the Cubs. No, it's not.
But I'm gonna say two things. One, Craig Council, who
(11:21):
at the last minute went to the Cubs today for
a huge raison. All we've heard is that it's way
more money than the Mets offered. And what I've read
from some people is that, of course Council didn't really
want to go to the Mets, and they felt that
maybe he was his interest wasn't quite what it was
for another job, and surprised because that's what happened. So
(11:41):
I think the Mets offer came a little bit lower,
and look, is it a great optic that, hey, here's
the guys supposed to be a slam dunk managerial higher
and they don't get him. No, it's not a great optic.
But at the same time, if the guy doesn't want
to come, what are you gonna do? Right, he didn't.
He didn't want to be the Mets manager. He didn't
want to be he could have been. He waited, he
hung out. What he want wanted to do, which is
what a lot of people do to New York teams
(12:03):
or big market teams, is that yes, I'm going to
feign interest just to drive the price up. Craig Counsel
wanted to get paid. He wanted to make a lot
of money, and he wanted to stay close to the Midwest.
And now the Cubs offer him a chance to do that,
the fact that he took the job before they even
fired David Ross. I mean, come on, man, this guy
wanted two things. He wanted money and he wanted to
have what he wanted to staying close to the Midwest.
(12:25):
So no, while it's not a great optic, I can't
say I'm that bummed. I mean, did I want Craig Council, Sure,
But in the end, you know what, Buck show Walter
had two years as Mets manager. One year the Mets
were really good, one year the Mets weren't good. Did
this mean Buck Showalter suddenly went from one year being
a good manager one year being a batman. No, this
is how it goes. Hiring a manager is like hire
is like getting a big time free agent. You do
all your work and you sign it. But then you
(12:46):
have to hope, right, You got to hope that everything
you put in is going to put out here. All
the research you put in, all the work you put in, Hey,
this should work, but you don't know until you hit
the field. So yeah, did I want Craig Counsel, Of
course I did. Look, guys are good managers, great reputation
out of baseball. But you know what, so does Carlos Mendoza.
Like eight teams have talked to the guy and they've
wanted him, So okay, maybe Mendoza works. My biggest thing
(13:08):
I always worry about is can the guy handle New York. Well,
the guy's been in New York for a while on
the bench of the Yank. I think he actually managed
more games than Aaron Boone this year. Well, he certainly did,
because every time Aaron Boon got tossed. Hey, all right, everybody,
I'm in charge.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So as doesn't count on his managerial record, like when
Luke Walton became the hot property, even though those wins
were going to Steve Kerr.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But yeah, so as long as I know that he
can handle New York, because that was the problem with
Luis Rojas, who hey, great managerial mind. All of these
things moved up through the Met's minor league system. Couln't
handle New York, couldn't handle the big problems going on
on a big stage, and just seem like a minor
character when McNeil and Lindor are fighting and they said
no it was over a rat. So as long as
the guy, as long as I know he can handle
New York. Okay, I mean this is not something to
(13:50):
go crazy about the people to go crazy about. Boy
did the Cubs do David Ross dirty?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here's the thing, how did they do? Speculation? Probably two
months ago, well, actually it would be a month. I
guess as the collapse happened, that he was likely to
be moved into one of those advisor front office. You're
an auxiliary kind of guy, and that they'd be looking
for another manager because they didn't have managerial experience. And
(14:16):
in Chicago they celebrate it, going, well, this was a
guy that should have never gotten no, no, no, he
was a good clubhouse guy. And we're watching Look Antonio Pierce.
It's only one game, but look at they wanted to
play for him. He had a laundry list of reasons
why he shouldn't have been hired into that role. But
for a game at work for David Ross, they played
well until it was time for them to really execute
(14:38):
some of the managerial stuff you need to do down
the stretch to stave off elimination, to hold off the Diamondbacks,
which he was not able to do. So counsel becomes available,
and here's the other part of it, and you'll love
this one. If in theory, the Mets aren't gonna go
crazy in free agent spending, right, if we take that
(14:58):
at its surface, what we were told a while back,
Cubs are Cubs are going after everybody and anything that
gets within the white lines of a baseball diamond. So
if I'm Greg Counsel and I'm getting those assurances not
to mention a big fat check, yeah, I'm going to
Chicago and.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I go and win. I don't think he ever wanted
to go. I think he wanted to use, like Kirk
Cousins us, the Jets to get the deal he wanted
from the summer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He used the Mets to get the deal he wanted,
either from Milwaukee or someplace else, which knew would be
someplace else, because Milwaukee could have paid him if they want.
If there was mutual interest in staying, he would have stayed.
You know the other part of it, Morosi might have
overruled Sternsy. The Pope might have come over the top
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(17:13):
Odyssey Washington Post. You can fall him on Twitter at
Jason lock and for it, Jaylaw. What's happening, Bud?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What's going on? Gentlemen?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Buddy?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We're talking for the first time since Jim Beheim is
not the head coach of Syracuse basketball.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
My daughter is there with their friends, sending me pictures
from the Carrier Dome. We just got back from a
family weekend ourselves, my wife and I on Sunday morning.
So yeah, she's there for the historic moment. Nice good
Ridge Beheim.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow, that's a hot take.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, meeting the kids from the Daily Orange like crap,
you know, the ones who were paying a sally and
paying that exorbitant tuition that's now even more ridiculous than ever.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All Right, So while we're passing in the law of
Syracuse win because I don't know how many we're going
to get. We saw a couple of big statements made
this weekend. If I said to you, fill in the blank,
the best team in the NFL is either the Ravens
or the Eagles, who are you giving me?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, yeah, I mean I really think that that is.
It's one or the other. Right, I kind of feel
like they're in their own tier. They have played their
way into their own tier. Who would I say? I mean,
I might lean Eagles. It's not a strong lead. It's
(18:39):
coin flip, you know. I think Baltimore has been buy
and large and much better health, certainly much better health
than they've been in in recent years. And I feel
like the Eagles have had to deal with maybe a
little bit more injury adversity, and maybe the Eagles hit
another gear, you know, if they get a little healthier,
(19:01):
which you know, I kind of feel like they're rounding
into But both are balanced football teams. I think the
Ravens secondary is obviously superior of Philadelphia's this year. But again,
I think they just made a significant trade for a safety.
You know, what is that?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
A little over a week Ago. I you know, I
believe that unit will will get better, is getting better,
and they just find ways to win close games. And
it's not that the Ravens don't if you just look
at their record, but the Ravens over the last couple
of years have had their share of fourth quarter issues.
(19:42):
So I would give a slightest of slight lead leans
to the to the Eagles. But the look, there's a
reason we're talking about these two teams at the onset
and that doesn't mean that Kansas City should be written off.
And that doesn't mean that San Francisco can't get healthier
in the second hal half and and get some stuff going.
(20:03):
But yeah, I think, uh, the mid Atlantic region is
being served very well right now in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Got to talk about the excitement of the AFC North
and for the Ravens, don't look in the rear view mirror.
You know, objects are closer than they may appear. Suddenly,
Cincinnati the only guy ever to get healthier while playing
injury is kind of a big deal.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, right through it for five weeks and then it'll
all come you know. Yeah, well, look that's a that's
the hell of a football team. It has been for
years now, and that's another team that knows how to win.
And and all of these you go back now parts
of three seasons, and they they really start to ascend
(20:46):
in October for whatever reason. I guess the common denominator
would probably be the quarterbacks health. But it's a pretty
darn good defense too, and the coordinator knows what he's doing,
he knows how to keep things in front of them,
and they've had to adjust to life without the two
veteran safeties, and I think you've seen them coalesce on
(21:07):
the back end as the season's gone on, and when
Joe Burrow is in the kind of form he's in
right now, and they're as healthy as they are. And
we'll have to see about Jamar Chase because obviously he
did take a heck of a fall there to the
lower back upper buttock region. But when they've got him
going and Higgins going and Boyd going, and now they've
(21:28):
even got a few tight ends showing up like geez
a whiz, you know, And they don't run it that well,
but they run it just well enough that if you
want to sit back there and play it two or
three man shell, then you know Burrow will check out
us some stuff and he'll give Mixon a you know,
a shot or two, and he'll do just enough most
of the time. So yeah, it's a formidable group. And
(21:51):
I would you know, right now they look better than
Kansas City as well. You know, I think Cincinnati looks
better than anybody in the in the AFC East, So
you know, don't sleep from Jacksonville either. I mean, what
they've done with the gauntlet that they've faced from a
travel standpoint, and now them getting to catch their breadth
you know, at the buy and they've got, you know,
(22:13):
meeting looming with Baltimore, but the rest of their schedule
doesn't look nearly as daunting as some other teams, so
I think they'll have something to do with it as well.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Jason Locking for NFL Insider our guest The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Carmon, live from the tirec dot Com Studios.
All right, let's get to all these crazy rumors now
coming out of New England. Look, the Patriots lose again,
the Commanders get the w and we've heard rumblings that
of there could be a trade from Belichick to the Commanders.
Now we're hearing the Bears could be interested if something
(22:42):
like this happens. What are you hearing? What's the possibility
we can actually see Bill Belichick get traded at some point?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, I wrote a while back at the Washington Post
that it's interesting you mentioned those two teams because I wrote,
I mean, it's probably been close to a month now
that that thing was over a new end, and Bob,
you know, Bob Craft had seen enough, and Bob Craft
certainly had the stones to fire this guy if that's
what it came to. But most likely you're going to
(23:09):
see a parting of the ways that he's going to
want to explore other options and they're going to want
to go in a different direction. And I think it'll
be fairly amicable. I don't think Bob Kraft wants to
go through what sort of the end of the Tom
Brady thing was. I think I'll want to rip this
wound off, you know, rip the band aid off, and
(23:32):
let this guy go on his way, and he'll go
on his way and that'll be that. And yeah, I've heard,
you know that he's got a lot of interest in
Washington and that appeals to him. I don't know if
that's you know, mutual We've got a wild card there
and a new owner, and you know, does he want
to bring in a seventy two year old guy to
(23:55):
run the whole thing? Like I don't know. That feels
a little bit like Joe Gibbs, you know, like I
know that wasn't him. But those kind of things rarely work,
and I would think they're trying to build something for
the long haul there, but who knows. And then obviously
Bill Belichick, being the history buff that he is, breaking
that record in hallis Hall would would have a special
(24:16):
significance to him. So yeah, and there's a lot of
rumors out there about Mike Rabel and Nick Cassario maybe
coming back to the Nest and them landing in New
England when I'm not even gonna say if when Bill
Belichick leaves, you know, a trade, I just I don't
know if it comes to all that. You know, I
(24:37):
just think he's gone and they're going in a different direction,
and it'll be fascinating to watch all this unfold.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You saw Rabel get the Heroes welcome, you know, a
couple of weeks ago, and the Patriots put up their
best effort ever. Now in Las Vegas, we had a
scene reminiscent of the Wizard of oz Ding Dong. The
Witch is dead because Josh mcdanielson gets balanced. Everybody's smoking cigars,
playing basketball, lose main Antonio Peers true audition for the
(25:10):
job or placeholder. Either way, it worked for a week,
but it was the Giants on the other side.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, but that was a dismantling and I think he
has a real opportunity here. Look, Mark Davis, we know
is a wild card, and people have talked to about
this situation around the league. You know, many of them
do go back to the Rich Pasaccia situation. Not to
say that Mark Davis would go back to him, but
(25:37):
to say that if Mark Davis, who's had difficulty sort
of coming up with a culture there that is sort
of player friendly, that people want to be a part of,
that is sustainable and relatable, that this might be the
direction he goes. I mean, that's a locker room where
(25:57):
they all wanted out, anybody who had t value wanted
out at the deadline, and the owner is aware of it.
Do some of those guys now buy back in? And
certainly they seem to have short term wise, right because
of Antonio Pierce and because of this very different dynamic
and a very different leadership style. And I don't think
they're going to finish seven and five like they did
(26:19):
with Pisacia, right, And remember they beat the Cowboys on
Thanksgiving in Dallas and they damn near beat Cincinnati in
a playoff game. I don't think this Raiders team is
going to go that far. But I also don't think
they have to go that far. Oh and he's you know,
younger and much much cheaper, and Mark Davis is still
paying Gruden and you know McDaniels, So no, And I
(26:44):
think you know, also, we see a lot of coaches
of color in this league kind of get chewed up
and spit out as the interim guy who are never
really given a real chance. And I think Mark Davis
knows about his dad's legacy in this week and his
dad being one of the most progressive owners, maybe the
(27:05):
most progressive owner this league has ever seen. And Antonio
Pierce growing up in Compton and being a Raiders fan
like you, No, I think they fight hard and they
win a few games, Like I don't think it's out
of the question because it's not the most attractive job
in the world. And I don't think Mark Davis wants
to go out there and win bidding wars for some
(27:25):
other unknown quantity. I think that there could be some
real residence if Antonio Pierce put something together.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
He's on Twitter at Jason locking For. That is at
Jason locking For. Check him out Odesty Washington Post. Jay
as always, Buddy, appreciate you kicking off the Adrian Autry
era with us. You're on the show.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yes, Chloe's there. He's got a T shirt and everything.
I think they probably gave it. I guess you might
even ask. I guess they gave out T shirt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Anyway, hopefully, gentlemen, that's your T shirt.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You earned it, man, you're right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
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Chargers in the Jets. Chargers have the football early in
(28:25):
the fourth quarter. The Jets had a chance to get
a turnover inside the Chargers fifteen yard line. Yeah, they
sack Justin Herbert. He fumbles Michael Clemens for some ridiculous Well,
I'll tell you why. Michael Clemens decides, I'm gonna try
to scoop and score when the ball is at Justin
Herbert's hands, Like Herbert's on the ground and the ball
(28:47):
is right there, You're not going to scoop and score
on that. You gotta scoop and score when it's in
the open field and there's if you don't scoop it,
you can fall on it. But he tries to scoop it,
he can't grab the football instead of falling on it,
which would have been the Jets ball in side the fifteen,
it's reeled back in by Herbert and the Chargers still
have the football now facing a third and four near midfield.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Now, for be fair, if he'd actually gone and dive
to the ground to get the ball and he made
contact with Herbert, he was gonna get penalized. It's the
NFL in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You can't do that. But I just you try the
scoop and square, you know, and for all.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
This you're flat footed and kind of bending, I.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Mean, and the thing is and I get the offense
is not playing well, and you want to try to
do some things and you want to try to make
the play, but you know, this is just the Jets.
They play so undisciplined, and this is on Robert Sala,
who as good of a coach as he is. Then
too many penalties, you're seeing it tonight, So many penalties
for the Jets, and on disciplined plays like that, not
making the smart the right play. Let's give the football
(29:45):
to the offense inside the fifteen yard line. Right, No,
we're gonna make mistake. We're gonna continue to do that.
And that's on Robert Sala and for all the time. Hey,
the players like him, and now he's got a great
defensive system. All that's great. You still see here they
struggle with plays where they need to make him because
that need to go down.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Just give the headset to Rogers and be done with it.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And now they have the ball at midfield instead of
the Jets having the ball inside the fifteen yard line.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, you could drive the length though, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
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Speaker 1 (30:17):
He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Bayern.
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Speaker 3 (30:36):
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
I hate football. I hate football. I hate football. I
hate it. I've never liked football. I hate it. I
hate football.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
We've always, you know, kind of thought that based on
some of your prior commentaries, but certainly right now I
am watching you die a little bit because every bounce,
every time the ball hits the turf, had to getty
to do it. The chargers, it magically pops back in
their hands like fix It Felix Spam Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Are living right right and charge of living right. But
the Jets just make two really horrendous mistakes. And on
the drive of the game where they had the ball
at the Chargers forty, I can kind to have it
kind of drive, they say, they wind up hunting on
fourth and thirty. Right, We'll get into the jets lack
of discipline and why I want to bang my head
against the wall coming up in a few minutes. But
(31:44):
it looks like we're going to be talking about the
Jets falling to four and four, the Chargers getting back
to five hundred. They have a two touchdown lead and
the football with under seven minutes left to go. But
two big quarterbacks want to tell you about a little
bit tonight. And because I'm such a nice guy back
that Mike's gonna talk about, I am more than happy
to hear him talk about a guy, especially if you're
(32:07):
looking for somebody in fantasy the last couple of weeks
of your season, who do you think we should pick up?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Mike, we're just talking about stashing, right, So we were talking.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
A little bit. Hold on Sack.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I like the other guy better because I actually predicted
where he's got Burshinger's there. He's my producer on the podcast.
I said it before the trade deadline, but watching your
guy throw fifty yard passes and they look at me,
look at me moment on the field there before the
Jets kicked off. I still want all the medicals that
I want to behind the scenes, minute by minute of
everything that actually transpired with his magical leg This is
(32:42):
like magical me.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Mm hmmm. You'd be leaving with every signed book I
have for you.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I don't want all of those books.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Damn it, Harry, give me those books.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah. Anyway, I'm looking at Rogers like long term. Like
as we go through and part of the I watch
Lex podcast, we do the waiver look aheads and part
of it is playing defense for down the road. And
as I'm learning and we're getting feedback, and certainly in
the leagues we're playing, people are leaving way too many
damn bench slots out there. So why not go grab
(33:16):
Aaron Rodgers and dash him at the end of your
And here's my general philosophy on this. You may never
use him, you may never activate him, he may ever
actually see the field again. But here's what you're doing.
You're playing defense that suddenly you're in the playoffs. Your
quarterback gets hurt because we're already up to ten rookie quarterbacks.
(33:37):
Once your boy de Vido takes his first snap, Tommy
Tommy time cues Yo, Yeah, that'll be great. Once he
takes his first snap, that's ten rookie quarterbacks. Your quarterback
may not survive. What you don't want to see is
in the playoffs, all of a sudden, old number eight
popping up against you, with that defense giving him a
good field position and then being able to stand there.
I think he's going to be even Dan Marino asked,
(33:58):
he doesn't have to move but about three feet side
to well.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It doesn't matter. Hey, they're gonna sack you, just take
a knee. So where about rud Just take a knee.
We'll work, we'll get the next play.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So it's a mantra I've I've been preaching and a
strategy forever. You're also playing defense, even if you better
to die on your bench than kill you in an
active spot for your opponent.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll give you a guy who can win you your
fantasy league that might still widely be available, and you
can play him every week. Josh Dobbs is gonna win
people fantasy leagues this year.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
He's also getting the Vikings into the playoffs before this
is all done. They're number seven right now.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There's a lot of quarterbacks who are disappointing, a lot
of quarterbacks who are hurt. Josh Dobbs shows up yesterday
not taking a snap in practice with the Vikings, leads
them to a win and over twenty fantasy points. Now,
why like Josh Dobbs so much as yes, he's got
a good he's got a good offen, he's got good
receivers of throw to Justin Jefferson will be back soon,
(35:00):
but mainly he ran for sixty six yards yesterday. He
is a guy that makes plays with his legs. And
the thing about the Vikings is they don't like any
of their running backs. They can't run the football. Alexander Madison,
Alexander Madison stinks, and Cam Akers is out for the
year now with a torn achilles, so there's nobody. So
you know, we gonna wind up running the football more.
(35:21):
They'll be designed runs for him, and he's going to
be a guy that will get you six to eight
points running the football every week. He's going to a
lot of people fantasy he's.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Gonna be the curiosity of whether they trust or like
ty Chandler at all. But to your point about Dobbs,
even before this week, he already had five games of
at least forty rushing yards and.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
On a better team.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Now he's had a rushing touchdown in three straight weeks,
so on opportunity on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
A team that's not tanking. Telling you Josh Dobbs is
going to a lot of people fantasy championships, exit out
about a Fresca exit swalling down. The Jason Smith Show
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