November 7, 2023 • 31 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the Cubs swiping Craig Counsell from the Brewers. Jason begs for Aaron Rodgers to come save the Jets. The guys discuss what Monday night's victory means for the Chargers. Plus, Robert Saleh is the man with no answers!
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
So here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Jets lose, the Chargers win the Jets. Every five
minutes there's a new stat showing you, boy, how unlikely
it was the Jets by holding the Chargers to minus
twenty five yards of total offense lose a game twenty
seven to six. Yeah, but think about this. We're officially
done with nine weeks of this NFL season. I'm done
with the Jets offense. But the thing that we win
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the Jets offense. No, I'm done. I'm done with many
Wells joined the club many weeks of the Jets offense.
Get in line here, pal, Okay, I've had about two
and a half games worth of quality.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Football out of my squad and that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But your team had no hope going in. We had Rogers,
we had everything, and now it's hey, sorry, we didn't
fix the offense. We're just gonna watch it suck every week.
We also did have the assumption that the near forty
year old guy was gonna be you know, Tom Brady
part two.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He might be. He just had a bad achilles.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, that happens when you're thirty nine. An tripped in
a dark room. Maybe we don't have the full story.
It's like Clint Barness when he was falling down carrying
up deer meat. All right, so okay with so you
think like when he's on his darkness retreat, it was
maybe he tripped over something. Oh man, maybe he left
something on the floor in the room. My calf hasn't
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been the same, all right? The other is I mean,
and I've got to ask the question since we do
the conspiracy theory theater with the NFL on so many things,
penalties called penalties, not called finds. The running backs for
trying to administer a block. You know what, you lose
a game. Check that guy rag dolls Like, nah, nobody
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cares all of those things. Thirty one on field fines
last week in the National Football League. Can't wait to
see what they make up? Can they find the Jets
for putting this offense out there on national television?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Really should?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Everybody should at least get a sandwich or a taco
like it's a continuation of the World Series promotion. Want
Roger Goodell to say Woody johnsonill be paying a one
million dollar fine for putting this offense out there because
it was offensive to everybody who had to watch this game.
We are sorry that we didn't flex the Jets out earlier,
but you're getting Jets Raiders next week. Congratulations. It is
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abject failure and disastrous, no question about it. But we've
watched this through nine weeks and we wring our hands,
waiting and wishing and hoping. And in the NFL, it's
a week to week league. Right when you're down in
the dumps, your team comes up and puts in a
decent effort, or they fail you. That's the thing, right
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you're on this, You're in a glass case of emotion,
a roller coaster, if you will.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
My team will always fail me. It will always fail.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We'll have more NFL coming up in a few minutes.
Jason Lock and four are gonna stop by with us.
Who's the best team in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is it the Ravens? Is it the Eagles? What's next
for the Raiders? What's next for the Cowboys? Oh, we
got lots of big stuff to get to.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But yeah, the Jets just you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Know, but earlier today the big managerial swapper room. Oh yeah,
switcheroo of twenty twenty three, the Mets don't get Craig Council,
who becomes the manager of the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I believe he was actually named the manager before they
had fired David Ross.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Did he find out on Twitter? I think so many
other people are finding out about losing job. No, No,
you find out that's been that's like so five minutes ago. Now,
I think he found out by Council like walking into
his office and saying, hey, you want to get your
stuff because.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
This is my room.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Now he literally starts pulling pictures and putting him in
a box on him. Yeah, the the security will help
you right now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They've already I've already done my photo shooting. Here it is,
I've done my photo. There's a picture of me in
my new Cubs uniform.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
David Ross is Wait a minute, that's you. That's your
head photoshopped on my body with the team from last year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sorry, man, it's all working now. Life comes at you fast.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So a crazy day today, and you know, the Cubs
part of it is. Look, not that it's not completely unexpected,
because as you mentioned earlier, there were whispers that David
Ross was going to be on thin ice. They had
the big run this year, didn't make the playoffs. Oh
that's September. But there was but there was no talk whatsoever.
And suddenly, oh, we're gonna give Craig Counsel more money
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than even the Mets want to give him. And instead
of going to the Mets, it's hey, Craig Counsel is
gonna be the manager or the Cubs. Well, we know
the Cubs were looking for a manager. What about David
Ross could have been handled a little bit better, But
in the end, you know, look, the Cubs got their guy.
And for the Mets, here's the thing, is poperail. Is
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it a good optic that David Stearns, who ran the Brewers,
comes to run the Mets. The only manager he ever
hired a knew was Craig Counsel. Well, I mean, it's
the old rule of thumb. The devil you know and
the devil you don't, you know? The only guy hired,
only guy ever hired. He wanted to get paid more money.
He supposedly liked New York and David Stearns in the
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first big decision that he has to make the manager
who was supposed to be the slam dunk choice, the
guy what not only doesn't come to New York, he
goes to a different team, doesn't stay with his old team,
he goes to a different team. Right now, that's a
bad Oh and the divisions, I'm not saying that's that's
a bad optic and that pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But am I really mad? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Not really, because because he was Jets, no no, no
to it. Well, the Jets really let me forget about
the Jets for five bleeping seconds. Okay, you jerk, I.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Was trying to help you out for reasons why mad.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna hit you over the head with something.
I'm gonna find something that hit you with. That bottle
is almost empty. There's no damage being done there. It's
clear Craig Counsel did not want to come to the Mets, right.
He didn't want to come because he wound up using
the Mets' leverage, which is probably what he wanted to
do anyway, to get more money and to stay in
the Midwest, because.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's all we've heard from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Craig Council loves the Midwest, doesn't want to leave, doesn't
want to but he loves New York. Now wait a minute,
and I said time out. Does he love the Midwest
or does he love New York? And when I heard
him say, oh, supposedly he loves New York, I knew
in my head he's using New York as leverage, just
like Kirk Cousins used the Jets's leverage to get the
contract he wanted from the Vikings the first time around.
When it was down to the Jets are Vikings for
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Kirk Cousins, and he chose the Vikings, I knew Craig
Counsel is using the Jets's leverage. And my hope was,
if Steve Cohen is going to pay him more money
than anybody who was gonna pay him, he would say yes.
But it's clear he had no desire to take the job.
And I think the Mets had a little bit of
an inkling because they jumped to hire Carlos Mendoza from
the Yankees before this broke, and the Cubs gave him
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more money than the Mets were willing to give him.
So I'm pretty sure by the people that I talked
to today and what I read, the Mets seem to think, Yeah,
we're not going to force the guy to come here,
because that's you have to do. You can't force the
guy to come where he doesn't want to go, and
if he doesn't really want to be there, you're not
gonna go crazy. So you know what, go someplace else
and we'll hire someone else, because you know what, Carlos
Mendoza Yankee bench coach, he checks the box, I like
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the most. Is New York going to be too much
for him? No coaching in New York. He managed more
games than Aaron Boom Zaren Bud got thrown out of
every game so he got to jump in and manage
arrest of games. He knows New York, he's been a
bench coach there for a while. And you can win
because ten of the twelve playoff teams this year, these
managers are in their first managerial job.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So it's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that gets the other reason why, because yes, Craig
Council didn't want to come and use the Mets as leverage.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But the other thing is hiring a manager is like
is like signing a big guy in free agency. You
do your due diligence, You try to fit the spot,
you try to fit with what you need, and then
you have to hope it works right. Buck Showalter for
two years. One year is a great manager. Second year
is a bad manager. So it's all of a sudden
he changed being what kind of manage it's from year
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one to year No, the Mets didn't play well the
second year and they underachieved and they didn't win. Doesn't
mean show Walter is a bad manager. It means, okay,
your message is not getting across, so what change is needed?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Maybe Carlos Mendoza works, Maybe he doesn't maybe Craig Council
works for the Cubs, maybe he doesn't. But as we're
seeing teams that are paying a lot for their coaches
after a couple of years agoing, hmm, can we get
out of this see Lincoln Riley, USC Mel Tucker and
Michigan State for different reasons obviously, but you're saying, hey,
Brian Kelly, lsus we were into these guys for a
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lot of money now and now here's Craig Counsel. If
Craig Counsel doesn't work, that's a lot of money you're
paying a manager.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think with some of those instances you obviously have
other factors, and then some of it is a calculated gamble,
right based on history. I mean, look at Brian Kelly,
go back to his time at Notre Dame. There's still
some things that never got answered for. But when you
look at this scenario, I'm wondering if with the Mets,
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you didn't have a situation whereby for Council it was
a little bit of the due diligence on his part
trying to figure out what that organization was going to
look like. Right, We've talked a lot about is Pete
Alonzo leaving. If this guy's gone, you trade it off.
Now they were older injured parts from your pitching staff,
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you know, World Series champions, but they're gone, and from
a divestiture you're looking at that's a big word.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, that's a big word. What is that a real word? Divested?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What's your what is your payroll going to look?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
What kind of team are you fielding here?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You're gonna pay me a king's ransom to come in
and manage? What? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
With the Cubs? All reports are that they're really getting
ready to load up and make a you know, they're
the mystery secret whatever team for you know, Shoho Tani,
and they're being attached to all these different names and
free agency, Like here's a spending spree getting to come
from the Ricketts family now that they've completely redone Wrigleyville
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and it's a shell of its former charming self. But
you look at the the possibility that all right, I'm
gonna go manage, but I'm also gonna get size.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
The Chargers won the Monday night.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hey, okay, we're good. Now, all right, we're all good.
I know we're all good. We're all going to continue
to make it like I knew that Steve de Saiger
wanted to make sure we knew the Chargers won. But
the idea back for the Cubs that they're going to
roll up and pay out a lot of money. Maybe
Counsel in his due diligence, Maybe it was sternsy, Maybe
it was the Pope. Maybe he was just listening to
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the radio and thought he heard that they were not
going to have a robust payroll. And if you're going
to go to New York, you're expected to win. As
you were just talking about with Showalter, how quickly the
honeymoon period goes frough. I mean we've seen this in
sports all over the place. How much as fans, how
much you love something and then you become, you know,
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start to hate watch pretty fast, like you did with
your Jets tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And if your Craig count the Jets a loss, yeah,
but you're not signed up for that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
If you're a Craig counsel, like you don't need the
Mets guys and Frank the Tank and you and whatever
else coming after you.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
No, he did not look.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
New York is not for Certain cities are not for,
but New York is not for everybody. You're seeing Los
Angeles as not for Lincoln Riley, Right, you're seeing certain
big cities or not for certain coaches. And and if
he didn't want to show, okay, yeah you don't want
to come, I'm not going to convince you to say,
oh no, no, no, go go someplace else.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Then I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I'll give him credit. He knows the rules of engagement.
And maybe that's why New York was crossed off his list.
Lincoln Riley forgot to get that extra memo. Look, Craig
Counsel wanted to get paid and he wanted to stay
close to home.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Ta dah. He did it, right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean, that's that he did it, and that's what
he would Congratulations. You played the game, well, you played
the Mets. You played a guy who was your only guy.
You played your friend or your your your mentor.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Think think Sterns he's okay with it because Mendoza was
the guy he wanted.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, I don't. I don't think they'll engage Craig Counsel again.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I look at it, McDaniel's situation with the Colts. Yeah, no,
I look at I'm just kidding he's obviously a much
better manager of people.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
McDaniels, ever, was.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
No to be honest because the guy that you should
everybody should be mad at the most because I look,
Craig Counts, I want to I don't care. Go go
good luck with the Cubs man, good luck, good luck,
and see how that goes for you.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like I said, maybe Carlos Mendoza works, maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Right, But Steve Adanacio, the owner of the Brewers, you
have now let a guy who was widely perceived as
one of the top two or three executives in Major
League Baseball leave. You let David Sterns leave. You have
now let a guy who is widely respected as one
of the top two or three managers in Major League
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Baseball leave. When the money to pay these guys is
not like, hey, you got to give five hundred million
dollars to show Hey, O Tani Greig Council's getting paid
eight million dollars a year. That's eight million.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That's nothing. That's one year for a middle reliever. It's it.
And this is your manager.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What are you gonna pay your print ten million dollars
a year? Now, I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, come on, Matt, really, you're gonna let those
guys walk and not No, I'm not gonna pay those guys.
When you are having in the middle of a run
where your team is a is a small market, but
you're in close to the playoffs every year, this is
where maybe you you get a false sense of oh
we can, we can compe. Doesn't matter who we lose,
We're gonna compete every year. Watch and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That would be where Gil Brandt would say, what's your system?
What's you if you have a system.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
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Speaker 3 (14:22):
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Speaker 1 (14:23):
Jason Smith, Mike Carmon eight, Mike Carmen eight eight eight,
one two three four five six seven eight.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's how many touchdowns the Jets offense has an eight games?
Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, eight games? And for for everything canis about tonight?
It is it's won a game.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Uh, we'll get to Jason Lock and Forga join us
coming up in a couple of minutes. But look, there's
so many different things we've talked about tonight, so many
different angles of the Jets in their offense and how
terrible it is, and the biggest, the biggest crime to
me is not that they stuck with Zach Wilson. It's
not that they brought in the receivers they thought they
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were gonna be good but weren't. It's not that they
thought they had the offensive line that was going to
be good, but now they're shuffling it every week. As
guys get hurt, you make decisions, and some of them
are good and some of them are bad. Now, the
Wilson one was, Dude, you've seen him play for two years,
you suddenly think he's gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Come on, man, move on from him. You moved on.
I'm sorry. The second overall pick you move on it thought.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That the Aaron Rodgers mentorship, Yeah, that program, that six
week crash.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Course, I'd rather have Josh jobs.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But the thing is is that this is what really
the big crime is, is that they had chances. They
knew this offense was this bad, and they knew that
eventually it was never going to get to a point
where it was even passable. Every week there's more and
more evidence. This offense is bad, and Zach Wilson, this
is as good as he's gonna be. And he missed
open receivers tonight and he got sacked a lot and
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held him the balls along. The guys just not good.
The receivers just aren't good. The offensive line isn't healthy enough.
You had chances to make it better and you didn't.
And don't give me the failure of Oh, no one
was trading anybody. No one's trading offensive lineman. I saw
a pretty good offensive lineman get traded for a six
round pick. And now he's gonna be detecting Trevor Lawrence
as Jacksonville tries to go to the AFC Championship game. Oh,
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we couldn't get a receiver, couldn't get quarter could have
got a quarterback, could have got Josh Dobbs, could have
gone and got somebody who would come in and be
able to put some kind of offense on the board.
Because again I'll go back to no practice reps for
Josh Dobbs. He won a game on Sunday. Zach Wilson
every practice rep all season for the Jets, and they
could have they knew it was this bad and they
still said, no, we think we're good. How you doubled
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down on a bad hand, I don't understand, but that's
the Jets did. And that's the most maddening part is
they had chances to throw that emergency brake and fix it,
and they didn't bring in guys, trade deadline. Nope, nope,
we're good, we're good, we're good. We couldn't give something up.
And now look where you are. You're off. Defense just
stinks and it's always stunk, and it's going to continue
to stink unless eight comes back to save it. Well,
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the biggest thing is that you know the offensive line
and you know my evaluation for the position as a whole.
You know, and the lines that we see continuity is
doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. Right, You're lucky if
you get four games in a row with your starting
five going through unscathed. We've seen a number of teams
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where like your team averaging a touchdown a game, they're
averaging a new offensive line combination per game. So we
see a bunch of that Breese Hall a couple of
huge games skew what's inn otherwise, pedestrian run this year
and it's not his fault. We all recognize what an
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electric runner he can be. Problem is, you're getting hit
before you even get your first step forward. Right, there's
guys in the backfield because they don't have to wait
like they're coming. Either you're getting the handoff or they're
getting ready to go and obliterate Zach Wilson as he
tries to retreat running away from them instead of sides,
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it's interesting side to side. No, he's gonna take the
twelve yard sack which you thought had been outlawned. Seeing
a lot of one to three yard Yes, guys scrambled
back to the yard of scrimmage. Now this guy's still
going backwards. So yeah, all all of it plays together
to your point. All those would be heroes former Packers,
now Jets see it goes the other way and they
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become bad. Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smiths JO with
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if that's the case for the Jets, right where we
are looking at a lot of horrendousness, let's talk about
the charge like that horrendousness. Right, you're looking a lot
of horrendousness. It's hard for me to buy the Chargers
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because they won tonight and they're four and four and
they get it back to four and four. But this
is kind of what the Chargers do. The Chargers charger,
and we saw tonight. Obviously the Chargers chargering was better
than Jets jetting. The Chargers didn't look good tonight. It's
not like, boy, they can stand up and be proud
about this. Their offense look bad.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
On off Broad. I take my win and I move on.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Austin Eckler dropped three passes, He did not run the
ball well. Justin Herbert did not look good. This is
not a Charger team that can suddenly say, hey, we
got it solved. Getting back to four and four is fine,
and for the Jets is fine too. Hey you're four
and four, four and four, everything is still there for you.
But there's a reason why the Chargers are on my
never again list is because you know how many times
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you have to watch the Chargers every couple of weeks.
They give you glimpses that, hey, we can be really good,
and Justin Herbert looks really good, or they gut out
a win or something happens, you start believing in them again.
And then two three weeks go by and they play
like they're dead from the neck up, and and why
are they doing this? How can they not move the ball?
How can this not happen? So it's great they got
back to four and four, but I can't really believe
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in the Chargers. No, they're problematic. They have been able
to run the ball right all year long. You had
against the Bears, you had one big run.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That excuse it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Kelly has had a burst now and again, but Austin Eckler,
you miss it a lot of time, and even talking
about it here with you and on the Sunday Morning
Show alongside Bucky and Andy Is.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
He's been a.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Great receiver out of the backfield most of the time,
right you mentioned the drafts today, but he hasn't been
very effective as a runner today you're looking at barely
over three yards of carry. You're looking at the end
of him as a runner and more of a hey
can I catch some passes and be that kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Guy out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, so you know he came back on the one
year deal after everybody thought the running backs were suddenly
in the stage, you know, the coup and hold out
and like no, they all came back to varying degrees
of success, and Jonathan Taylor got paid. Josh Jacobs finally
had his big breakout game. He took a negative play
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at the end of the game to take away his
one hundred yard rushing game, so he finished up there
but two touchdowns for him in that big beatdown of
the Giants. And then obviously Austin Eckler comes back and
there's incentives and everything else, but he was one hundred
and seven reception guy last year. Guess what, he's your
number two receiver now because you still don't have anybody
beyond Keenan Allen with consistency. Mike Williams is on the
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shelf once again. And how long I went Johnson is
a bust? How long until you're saying that, I mean,
this is a guy that's got all kinds of chances
to get the football and you can't. I mean, you
had a big first down catch in the fourth quarter time,
but this is a guy's a dynamic receiver and you
got to show a little bit. But you're expecting a
guy got to show a middle with an opportunity as
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he did. I was showing you the draft for our
Guillotine league. No, he was my number three, assuming you
know he was going to see some time because Alan
and or Williams would miss some Well, Williams is gone
and they're still trying to saw it right. Geiton got
promoted for this one, and you're looking at the tight ends.
But go down the list and look. Give a lot
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of credit to the Jets defense for what they did
to this Chargers offense. They unfortunately and for you, this
is where I mean you take some of the pain,
but take some solace in the fact that they did
have positive plays from the defensive side. They just didn't
get the bounce right, the fumble, the hit and fumble
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on Justin Herbert. Well instead of falling on the ball
trying to pick it up and run with it. Well,
Herbert gets the recovery. A couple of balls batted in
the air, just enough contact to keep the defender of
either cornerback or a linebacker from coming down with an interception.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Herbert was hassled and harassed all night, a number of sacks.
All of that come together, and you look at the
receiving numbers for the Chargers coming out of the Monday
night game. You had eight catches for Keenan Allen stats
for days eight for seventy seven gets over ten thousand,
but eight catches on nine targets. Austin Eckler two catches
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twenty three yards seven targets, Everett and Johnston two catches
each two and three targets respectively. But those four catches
thirty two yards total. They did a great job of
bottling things up and from when we look at the
Chargers long term, still waiting for that second receiver to
show up that isn't Austin Eckler. Although the screen game
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has been grossly has been much more effective these last
couple of weeks. I don't know, I don't trust it right,
Are are Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack gonna get home
at the level that they have these last comes? Ever? Again?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Tell you never again? It's whither am I never again?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Like?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
But I trust it so?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But the second day has been beatable. Derwin James is
on the field right now and every time I watch
him play like it's the way like if we do
the sweepstakes it was? When was Jimmy Garoppolo going to
get hurt? When is Mike Williams going to get hurt
when is Derwin James gonna miss time? And I don't
wish it on anybody. It's just you will look at
(24:05):
the patterns year after year and wait for it. Right now,
he's delivering hits and making big plays, and I hope
that's the case because having the weapon at the next level,
it's it's a fantastic thing for that defense.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Is that going to hold up over the final eight weeks?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But you also have to solve the second half scoring issue.
That's five weeks in a row. I mean, they got
ten points in the fourth quarter, but they're not scoring
and not consistent with the checks points here.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh we scored, hereaty, thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Think they get out to a decent start, now, pretty
fast start, and then the offense bogs down. That can't
happen when you're facing the best coming down the stretch,
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So that's what's going on with your first play of
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just have to hear it. This is Jet's head coach
(27:56):
Robertson have to yet another disappointing, horrendous Jets offensive performance
where Zach Wilson looked terrible. He held out of the
ball too long, got sacked eight times, he missed open receivers.
The Jets didn't score a touchdown. This is just how
it's going to be, because the Jets refused to acknowledge
even had a problem when hey, we're fine. Yeah, No,
(28:17):
Zach's good, Our wide receivers are good. No, no, everybody stinks.
Here's Robert Sala asked a very simple question about Hey, uh,
do you think that Zach Wilson holding onto the football
long enough is why he's getting sacked?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Robert, do you think that Zach had an attempt to
not throw interceptions? Is holding the ball too long which
is now leading to sack? Uh? So, I don't know
if I don't know if it's sad. You know you'd uh.
I don't have an asked for you though what I
(28:54):
don't know if I don't know if it's sad.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
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the transcript?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's no, No, I don't know if it's that I know,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I don't have an answer for you on that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I got nothing, nothing, I tell you nothing. And
look there's a there's a lot of other Robert Salah
evidently he was in rare form. No, I wouldn't say
this was even close to Zach's worst game. Oh no,
as bad a game as this. I've seen Zach Wilson
play even worse. But this is this is Robert Sala
who is clear. What this The big thing about that
(29:29):
that statement right there is he has no idea how
to fix this team. Those are the rest of his
post game. He has no idea. Is he's lost. The
offense isn't close. I'm sorry, how it's eight weeks in
the offense still stinks. They've scored eight touchdowns in eight weeks.
It still stinks. You have no idea how to fix it.
And that's my thing when I talk about how when
(29:51):
a defensive coach gets hired for by a team, I
always sit back and say, oh man, that's not the
way the NFL is. You win with big time offensive coaches. Now,
look at the teams that are succeeding Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniels.
What are all these guys. These guys are all offensive coaches.
Robert solid defensive coach, got the defense playing great, The
offense stinks. How do you fix it? He sounds like
(30:13):
he has no idea. That's hard, man, It's really hard
for me to say, yes, hiring a defensive coordinator, someone
of the defensive background. Unless they're a CEO coach that
knows what they want to do on offense, you can't
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And I'm seeing tonight here's a head coach that has
no idea how to fix the offense. Great. I feel
great about the second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Aaron Rodgers might come back though, that's all Derwin James.
It might just be a couple of weeks. Now, that's
the only thing. After the game, he did tell Derwin James,
I'll be back in a few weeks. Here's the problem, though,
you still now have hope. No, you were giving it
and giving up. You were abandoning hope. The only help
Rodgers comes back.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Everything else is done. If he doesn't come back, it's
gonna be games like this for the rest of the
You know what, the prime time Sunday Night Man Raiders, you.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Know what else that means? Take the under.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm gonna drink every time Zach Wilson takes a sack. Dude,
you're gonna be hammered by the end of the first
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Speaker 3 (31:10):
Jetty so
Speaker 5 (31:13):
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So here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Jets lose, the Chargers win the Jets. Every five
minutes there's a new stat showing you, boy, how unlikely
it was the Jets by holding the Chargers to minus
twenty five yards of total offense lose a game twenty
seven to six. Yeah, but think about this. We're officially
done with nine weeks of this NFL season. I'm done
with the Jets offense. But the thing that we win
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the Jets offense. No, I'm done. I'm done with many
Wells joined the club many weeks of the Jets offense.
Get in line here, pal, Okay, I've had about two
and a half games worth of quality.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Football out of my squad and that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But your team had no hope going in. We had Rogers,
we had everything, and now it's hey, sorry, we didn't
fix the offense. We're just gonna watch it suck every week.
We also did have the assumption that the near forty
year old guy was gonna be you know, Tom Brady
part two.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He might be. He just had a bad achilles.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, that happens when you're thirty nine. An tripped in
a dark room. Maybe we don't have the full story.
It's like Clint Barness when he was falling down carrying
up deer meat. All right, so okay with so you
think like when he's on his darkness retreat, it was
maybe he tripped over something. Oh man, maybe he left
something on the floor in the room. My calf hasn't
(02:05):
been the same, all right? The other is I mean,
and I've got to ask the question since we do
the conspiracy theory theater with the NFL on so many things,
penalties called penalties, not called finds. The running backs for
trying to administer a block. You know what, you lose
a game. Check that guy rag dolls Like, nah, nobody
(02:27):
cares all of those things. Thirty one on field fines
last week in the National Football League. Can't wait to
see what they make up? Can they find the Jets
for putting this offense out there on national television?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Really should?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Everybody should at least get a sandwich or a taco
like it's a continuation of the World Series promotion. Want
Roger Goodell to say Woody johnsonill be paying a one
million dollar fine for putting this offense out there because
it was offensive to everybody who had to watch this game.
We are sorry that we didn't flex the Jets out earlier,
but you're getting Jets Raiders next week. Congratulations. It is
(03:00):
abject failure and disastrous, no question about it. But we've
watched this through nine weeks and we wring our hands,
waiting and wishing and hoping. And in the NFL, it's
a week to week league. Right when you're down in
the dumps, your team comes up and puts in a
decent effort, or they fail you. That's the thing, right
(03:22):
you're on this, You're in a glass case of emotion,
a roller coaster, if you will.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
My team will always fail me. It will always fail.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We'll have more NFL coming up in a few minutes.
Jason Lock and four are gonna stop by with us.
Who's the best team in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Is it the Ravens? Is it the Eagles? What's next
for the Raiders? What's next for the Cowboys? Oh, we
got lots of big stuff to get to.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But yeah, the Jets just you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Know, but earlier today the big managerial swapper room. Oh yeah,
switcheroo of twenty twenty three, the Mets don't get Craig Council,
who becomes the manager of the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I believe he was actually named the manager before they
had fired David Ross.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Did he find out on Twitter? I think so many
other people are finding out about losing job. No, No,
you find out that's been that's like so five minutes ago. Now,
I think he found out by Council like walking into
his office and saying, hey, you want to get your
stuff because.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
This is my room.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Now he literally starts pulling pictures and putting him in
a box on him. Yeah, the the security will help
you right now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
They've already I've already done my photo shooting. Here it is,
I've done my photo. There's a picture of me in
my new Cubs uniform.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
David Ross is Wait a minute, that's you. That's your
head photoshopped on my body with the team from last year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sorry, man, it's all working now. Life comes at you fast.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So a crazy day today, and you know, the Cubs
part of it is. Look, not that it's not completely unexpected,
because as you mentioned earlier, there were whispers that David
Ross was going to be on thin ice. They had
the big run this year, didn't make the playoffs. Oh
that's September. But there was but there was no talk whatsoever.
And suddenly, oh, we're gonna give Craig Counsel more money
(05:04):
than even the Mets want to give him. And instead
of going to the Mets, it's hey, Craig Counsel is
gonna be the manager or the Cubs. Well, we know
the Cubs were looking for a manager. What about David
Ross could have been handled a little bit better, But
in the end, you know, look, the Cubs got their guy.
And for the Mets, here's the thing, is poperail. Is
(05:25):
it a good optic that David Stearns, who ran the Brewers,
comes to run the Mets. The only manager he ever
hired a knew was Craig Counsel. Well, I mean, it's
the old rule of thumb. The devil you know and
the devil you don't, you know? The only guy hired,
only guy ever hired. He wanted to get paid more money.
He supposedly liked New York and David Stearns in the
(05:47):
first big decision that he has to make the manager
who was supposed to be the slam dunk choice, the
guy what not only doesn't come to New York, he
goes to a different team, doesn't stay with his old team,
he goes to a different team. Right now, that's a
bad Oh and the divisions, I'm not saying that's that's
a bad optic and that pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But am I really mad? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Not really, because because he was Jets, no no, no
to it. Well, the Jets really let me forget about
the Jets for five bleeping seconds. Okay, you jerk, I.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Was trying to help you out for reasons why mad.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna hit you over the head with something.
I'm gonna find something that hit you with. That bottle
is almost empty. There's no damage being done there. It's
clear Craig Counsel did not want to come to the Mets, right.
He didn't want to come because he wound up using
the Mets' leverage, which is probably what he wanted to
do anyway, to get more money and to stay in
the Midwest, because.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's all we've heard from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Craig Council loves the Midwest, doesn't want to leave, doesn't
want to but he loves New York. Now wait a minute,
and I said time out. Does he love the Midwest
or does he love New York? And when I heard
him say, oh, supposedly he loves New York, I knew
in my head he's using New York as leverage, just
like Kirk Cousins used the Jets's leverage to get the
contract he wanted from the Vikings the first time around.
When it was down to the Jets are Vikings for
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Kirk Cousins, and he chose the Vikings, I knew Craig
Counsel is using the Jets's leverage. And my hope was,
if Steve Cohen is going to pay him more money
than anybody who was gonna pay him, he would say yes.
But it's clear he had no desire to take the job.
And I think the Mets had a little bit of
an inkling because they jumped to hire Carlos Mendoza from
the Yankees before this broke, and the Cubs gave him
(07:24):
more money than the Mets were willing to give him.
So I'm pretty sure by the people that I talked
to today and what I read, the Mets seem to think, Yeah,
we're not going to force the guy to come here,
because that's you have to do. You can't force the
guy to come where he doesn't want to go, and
if he doesn't really want to be there, you're not
gonna go crazy. So you know what, go someplace else
and we'll hire someone else, because you know what, Carlos
Mendoza Yankee bench coach, he checks the box, I like
(07:47):
the most. Is New York going to be too much
for him? No coaching in New York. He managed more
games than Aaron Boom Zaren Bud got thrown out of
every game so he got to jump in and manage
arrest of games. He knows New York, he's been a
bench coach there for a while. And you can win
because ten of the twelve playoff teams this year, these
managers are in their first managerial job.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So it's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that gets the other reason why, because yes, Craig
Council didn't want to come and use the Mets as leverage.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But the other thing is hiring a manager is like
is like signing a big guy in free agency. You
do your due diligence, You try to fit the spot,
you try to fit with what you need, and then
you have to hope it works right. Buck Showalter for
two years. One year is a great manager. Second year
is a bad manager. So it's all of a sudden
he changed being what kind of manage it's from year
(08:32):
one to year No, the Mets didn't play well the
second year and they underachieved and they didn't win. Doesn't
mean show Walter is a bad manager. It means, okay,
your message is not getting across, so what change is needed?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Maybe Carlos Mendoza works, Maybe he doesn't maybe Craig Council
works for the Cubs, maybe he doesn't. But as we're
seeing teams that are paying a lot for their coaches
after a couple of years agoing, hmm, can we get
out of this see Lincoln Riley, USC Mel Tucker and
Michigan State for different reasons obviously, but you're saying, hey,
Brian Kelly, lsus we were into these guys for a
(09:05):
lot of money now and now here's Craig Counsel. If
Craig Counsel doesn't work, that's a lot of money you're
paying a manager.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think with some of those instances you obviously have
other factors, and then some of it is a calculated gamble,
right based on history. I mean, look at Brian Kelly,
go back to his time at Notre Dame. There's still
some things that never got answered for. But when you
look at this scenario, I'm wondering if with the Mets,
(09:32):
you didn't have a situation whereby for Council it was
a little bit of the due diligence on his part
trying to figure out what that organization was going to
look like. Right, We've talked a lot about is Pete
Alonzo leaving. If this guy's gone, you trade it off.
Now they were older injured parts from your pitching staff,
(09:54):
you know, World Series champions, but they're gone, and from
a divestiture you're looking at that's a big word.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, that's a big word. What is that a real word? Divested?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What's your what is your payroll going to look?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
What kind of team are you fielding here?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You're gonna pay me a king's ransom to come in
and manage? What? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
With the Cubs? All reports are that they're really getting
ready to load up and make a you know, they're
the mystery secret whatever team for you know, Shoho Tani,
and they're being attached to all these different names and
free agency, Like here's a spending spree getting to come
from the Ricketts family now that they've completely redone Wrigleyville
(10:37):
and it's a shell of its former charming self. But
you look at the the possibility that all right, I'm
gonna go manage, but I'm also gonna get size.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
The Chargers won the Monday night.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hey, okay, we're good. Now, all right, we're all good.
I know we're all good. We're all going to continue
to make it like I knew that Steve de Saiger
wanted to make sure we knew the Chargers won. But
the idea back for the Cubs that they're going to
roll up and pay out a lot of money. Maybe
Counsel in his due diligence, Maybe it was sternsy, Maybe
it was the Pope. Maybe he was just listening to
(11:16):
the radio and thought he heard that they were not
going to have a robust payroll. And if you're going
to go to New York, you're expected to win. As
you were just talking about with Showalter, how quickly the
honeymoon period goes frough. I mean we've seen this in
sports all over the place. How much as fans, how
much you love something and then you become, you know,
(11:36):
start to hate watch pretty fast, like you did with
your Jets tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And if your Craig count the Jets a loss, yeah,
but you're not signed up for that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
If you're a Craig counsel, like you don't need the
Mets guys and Frank the Tank and you and whatever
else coming after you.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
No, he did not look.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
New York is not for Certain cities are not for,
but New York is not for everybody. You're seeing Los
Angeles as not for Lincoln Riley, Right, you're seeing certain
big cities or not for certain coaches. And and if
he didn't want to show, okay, yeah you don't want
to come, I'm not going to convince you to say,
oh no, no, no, go go someplace else.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Then I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I'll give him credit. He knows the rules of engagement.
And maybe that's why New York was crossed off his list.
Lincoln Riley forgot to get that extra memo. Look, Craig
Counsel wanted to get paid and he wanted to stay
close to home.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Ta dah. He did it, right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean, that's that he did it, and that's what
he would Congratulations. You played the game, well, you played
the Mets. You played a guy who was your only guy.
You played your friend or your your your mentor.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Think think Sterns he's okay with it because Mendoza was
the guy he wanted.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, I don't. I don't think they'll engage Craig Counsel again.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I look at it, McDaniel's situation with the Colts. Yeah, no,
I look at I'm just kidding he's obviously a much
better manager of people.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
McDaniels, ever, was.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
No to be honest because the guy that you should
everybody should be mad at the most because I look,
Craig Counts, I want to I don't care. Go go
good luck with the Cubs man, good luck, good luck,
and see how that goes for you.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like I said, maybe Carlos Mendoza works, maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Right, But Steve Adanacio, the owner of the Brewers, you
have now let a guy who was widely perceived as
one of the top two or three executives in Major
League Baseball leave. You let David Sterns leave. You have
now let a guy who is widely respected as one
of the top two or three managers in Major League
(13:27):
Baseball leave. When the money to pay these guys is
not like, hey, you got to give five hundred million
dollars to show Hey, O Tani Greig Council's getting paid
eight million dollars a year. That's eight million.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That's nothing. That's one year for a middle reliever. It's it.
And this is your manager.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
What are you gonna pay your print ten million dollars
a year? Now, I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, come on, Matt, really, you're gonna let those
guys walk and not No, I'm not gonna pay those guys.
When you are having in the middle of a run
where your team is a is a small market, but
you're in close to the playoffs every year, this is
where maybe you you get a false sense of oh
we can, we can compe. Doesn't matter who we lose,
We're gonna compete every year. Watch and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That would be where Gil Brandt would say, what's your system?
What's you if you have a system.
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Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's how many touchdowns the Jets offense has an eight games?
Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, eight games? And for for everything canis about tonight?
It is it's won a game.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Uh, we'll get to Jason Lock and Forga join us
coming up in a couple of minutes. But look, there's
so many different things we've talked about tonight, so many
different angles of the Jets in their offense and how
terrible it is, and the biggest, the biggest crime to
me is not that they stuck with Zach Wilson. It's
not that they brought in the receivers they thought they
(15:08):
were gonna be good but weren't. It's not that they
thought they had the offensive line that was going to
be good, but now they're shuffling it every week. As
guys get hurt, you make decisions, and some of them
are good and some of them are bad. Now, the
Wilson one was, Dude, you've seen him play for two years,
you suddenly think he's gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Come on, man, move on from him. You moved on.
I'm sorry. The second overall pick you move on it thought.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That the Aaron Rodgers mentorship, Yeah, that program, that six
week crash.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Course, I'd rather have Josh jobs.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But the thing is is that this is what really
the big crime is, is that they had chances. They
knew this offense was this bad, and they knew that
eventually it was never going to get to a point
where it was even passable. Every week there's more and
more evidence. This offense is bad, and Zach Wilson, this
is as good as he's gonna be. And he missed
open receivers tonight and he got sacked a lot and
(15:59):
held him the balls along. The guys just not good.
The receivers just aren't good. The offensive line isn't healthy enough.
You had chances to make it better and you didn't.
And don't give me the failure of Oh, no one
was trading anybody. No one's trading offensive lineman. I saw
a pretty good offensive lineman get traded for a six
round pick. And now he's gonna be detecting Trevor Lawrence
as Jacksonville tries to go to the AFC Championship game. Oh,
(16:22):
we couldn't get a receiver, couldn't get quarter could have
got a quarterback, could have got Josh Dobbs, could have
gone and got somebody who would come in and be
able to put some kind of offense on the board.
Because again I'll go back to no practice reps for
Josh Dobbs. He won a game on Sunday. Zach Wilson
every practice rep all season for the Jets, and they
could have they knew it was this bad and they
still said, no, we think we're good. How you doubled
(16:45):
down on a bad hand, I don't understand, but that's
the Jets did. And that's the most maddening part is
they had chances to throw that emergency brake and fix it,
and they didn't bring in guys, trade deadline. Nope, nope,
we're good, we're good, we're good. We couldn't give something up.
And now look where you are. You're off. Defense just
stinks and it's always stunk, and it's going to continue
to stink unless eight comes back to save it. Well,
(17:05):
the biggest thing is that you know the offensive line
and you know my evaluation for the position as a whole.
You know, and the lines that we see continuity is
doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. Right, You're lucky if
you get four games in a row with your starting
five going through unscathed. We've seen a number of teams
(17:27):
where like your team averaging a touchdown a game, they're
averaging a new offensive line combination per game. So we
see a bunch of that Breese Hall a couple of
huge games skew what's inn otherwise, pedestrian run this year
and it's not his fault. We all recognize what an
(17:49):
electric runner he can be. Problem is, you're getting hit
before you even get your first step forward. Right, there's
guys in the backfield because they don't have to wait
like they're coming. Either you're getting the handoff or they're
getting ready to go and obliterate Zach Wilson as he
tries to retreat running away from them instead of sides,
(18:10):
it's interesting side to side. No, he's gonna take the
twelve yard sack which you thought had been outlawned. Seeing
a lot of one to three yard Yes, guys scrambled
back to the yard of scrimmage. Now this guy's still
going backwards. So yeah, all all of it plays together
to your point. All those would be heroes former Packers,
now Jets see it goes the other way and they
(18:32):
become bad. Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smiths JO with
Mike Carmen live from the Tireck dot Com Studios. So,
if that's the case for the Jets, right where we
are looking at a lot of horrendousness, let's talk about
the charge like that horrendousness. Right, you're looking a lot
of horrendousness. It's hard for me to buy the Chargers
(18:52):
because they won tonight and they're four and four and
they get it back to four and four. But this
is kind of what the Chargers do. The Chargers charger,
and we saw tonight. Obviously the Chargers chargering was better
than Jets jetting. The Chargers didn't look good tonight. It's
not like, boy, they can stand up and be proud
about this. Their offense look bad.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
On off Broad. I take my win and I move on.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Austin Eckler dropped three passes, He did not run the
ball well. Justin Herbert did not look good. This is
not a Charger team that can suddenly say, hey, we
got it solved. Getting back to four and four is fine,
and for the Jets is fine too. Hey you're four
and four, four and four, everything is still there for you.
But there's a reason why the Chargers are on my
never again list is because you know how many times
(19:33):
you have to watch the Chargers every couple of weeks.
They give you glimpses that, hey, we can be really good,
and Justin Herbert looks really good, or they gut out
a win or something happens, you start believing in them again.
And then two three weeks go by and they play
like they're dead from the neck up, and and why
are they doing this? How can they not move the ball?
How can this not happen? So it's great they got
back to four and four, but I can't really believe
(19:55):
in the Chargers. No, they're problematic. They have been able
to run the ball right all year long. You had
against the Bears, you had one big run.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That excuse it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Kelly has had a burst now and again, but Austin Eckler,
you miss it a lot of time, and even talking
about it here with you and on the Sunday Morning
Show alongside Bucky and Andy Is.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
He's been a.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Great receiver out of the backfield most of the time,
right you mentioned the drafts today, but he hasn't been
very effective as a runner today you're looking at barely
over three yards of carry. You're looking at the end
of him as a runner and more of a hey
can I catch some passes and be that kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Guy out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, so you know he came back on the one
year deal after everybody thought the running backs were suddenly
in the stage, you know, the coup and hold out
and like no, they all came back to varying degrees
of success, and Jonathan Taylor got paid. Josh Jacobs finally
had his big breakout game. He took a negative play
(21:00):
at the end of the game to take away his
one hundred yard rushing game, so he finished up there
but two touchdowns for him in that big beatdown of
the Giants. And then obviously Austin Eckler comes back and
there's incentives and everything else, but he was one hundred
and seven reception guy last year. Guess what, he's your
number two receiver now because you still don't have anybody
beyond Keenan Allen with consistency. Mike Williams is on the
(21:24):
shelf once again. And how long I went Johnson is
a bust? How long until you're saying that, I mean,
this is a guy that's got all kinds of chances
to get the football and you can't. I mean, you
had a big first down catch in the fourth quarter time,
but this is a guy's a dynamic receiver and you
got to show a little bit. But you're expecting a
guy got to show a middle with an opportunity as
(21:45):
he did. I was showing you the draft for our
Guillotine league. No, he was my number three, assuming you
know he was going to see some time because Alan
and or Williams would miss some Well, Williams is gone
and they're still trying to saw it right. Geiton got
promoted for this one, and you're looking at the tight ends.
But go down the list and look. Give a lot
(22:08):
of credit to the Jets defense for what they did
to this Chargers offense. They unfortunately and for you, this
is where I mean you take some of the pain,
but take some solace in the fact that they did
have positive plays from the defensive side. They just didn't
get the bounce right, the fumble, the hit and fumble
(22:28):
on Justin Herbert. Well instead of falling on the ball
trying to pick it up and run with it. Well,
Herbert gets the recovery. A couple of balls batted in
the air, just enough contact to keep the defender of
either cornerback or a linebacker from coming down with an interception.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Herbert was hassled and harassed all night, a number of sacks.
All of that come together, and you look at the
receiving numbers for the Chargers coming out of the Monday
night game. You had eight catches for Keenan Allen stats
for days eight for seventy seven gets over ten thousand,
but eight catches on nine targets. Austin Eckler two catches
(23:05):
twenty three yards seven targets, Everett and Johnston two catches
each two and three targets respectively. But those four catches
thirty two yards total. They did a great job of
bottling things up and from when we look at the
Chargers long term, still waiting for that second receiver to
show up that isn't Austin Eckler. Although the screen game
(23:26):
has been grossly has been much more effective these last
couple of weeks. I don't know, I don't trust it right,
Are are Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack gonna get home
at the level that they have these last comes? Ever? Again?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Tell you never again? It's whither am I never again?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Like?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
But I trust it so?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But the second day has been beatable. Derwin James is
on the field right now and every time I watch
him play like it's the way like if we do
the sweepstakes it was? When was Jimmy Garoppolo going to
get hurt? When is Mike Williams going to get hurt
when is Derwin James gonna miss time? And I don't
wish it on anybody. It's just you will look at
(24:05):
the patterns year after year and wait for it. Right now,
he's delivering hits and making big plays, and I hope
that's the case because having the weapon at the next level,
it's it's a fantastic thing for that defense.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Is that going to hold up over the final eight weeks?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But you also have to solve the second half scoring issue.
That's five weeks in a row. I mean, they got
ten points in the fourth quarter, but they're not scoring
and not consistent with the checks points here.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh we scored, hereaty, thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Think they get out to a decent start, now, pretty
fast start, and then the offense bogs down. That can't
happen when you're facing the best coming down the stretch,
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Speaker 3 (27:12):
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One Jamal Murray with a hamstring injury. They're saying it
could be significant, so he may miss some time. I
guess no time better than during the in season tournament
in November. Hey man, suddenly you have to really look
and really take a look and see that d season
tournament that's just been turned on.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It too right now difficult.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And then Jokic evidently wasn't getting questioned, so he just started,
you know, pondering things out loud whatever was going through
his head. So and now deep thoughts with nicolee Ye.
So that's what's going on with your first play of
the night, your second play of the night, because you
just have to hear it. This is Jet's head coach
(27:56):
Robertson have to yet another disappointing, horrendous Jets offensive performance
where Zach Wilson looked terrible. He held out of the
ball too long, got sacked eight times, he missed open receivers.
The Jets didn't score a touchdown. This is just how
it's going to be, because the Jets refused to acknowledge
even had a problem when hey, we're fine. Yeah, No,
(28:17):
Zach's good, Our wide receivers are good. No, no, everybody stinks.
Here's Robert Sala asked a very simple question about Hey, uh,
do you think that Zach Wilson holding onto the football
long enough is why he's getting sacked?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Robert, do you think that Zach had an attempt to
not throw interceptions? Is holding the ball too long which
is now leading to sack? Uh? So, I don't know
if I don't know if it's sad. You know you'd uh.
I don't have an asked for you though what I
(28:54):
don't know if I don't know if it's sad.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Was it in case you're in case you're looking for
the transcript?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's no, No, I don't know if it's that I know,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I don't have an answer for you on that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I got nothing, nothing, I tell you nothing. And
look there's a there's a lot of other Robert Salah
evidently he was in rare form. No, I wouldn't say
this was even close to Zach's worst game. Oh no,
as bad a game as this. I've seen Zach Wilson
play even worse. But this is this is Robert Sala
who is clear. What this The big thing about that
(29:29):
that statement right there is he has no idea how
to fix this team. Those are the rest of his
post game. He has no idea. Is he's lost. The
offense isn't close. I'm sorry, how it's eight weeks in
the offense still stinks. They've scored eight touchdowns in eight weeks.
It still stinks. You have no idea how to fix it.
And that's my thing when I talk about how when
(29:51):
a defensive coach gets hired for by a team, I
always sit back and say, oh man, that's not the
way the NFL is. You win with big time offensive coaches. Now,
look at the teams that are succeeding Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDaniels.
What are all these guys. These guys are all offensive coaches.
Robert solid defensive coach, got the defense playing great, The
offense stinks. How do you fix it? He sounds like
(30:13):
he has no idea. That's hard, man, It's really hard
for me to say, yes, hiring a defensive coordinator, someone
of the defensive background. Unless they're a CEO coach that
knows what they want to do on offense, you can't
do it.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And I'm seeing tonight here's a head coach that has
no idea how to fix the offense. Great. I feel
great about the second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Aaron Rodgers might come back though, that's all Derwin James.
It might just be a couple of weeks. Now, that's
the only thing. After the game, he did tell Derwin James,
I'll be back in a few weeks. Here's the problem, though,
you still now have hope. No, you were giving it
and giving up. You were abandoning hope. The only help
Rodgers comes back.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Everything else is done. If he doesn't come back, it's
gonna be games like this for the rest of the
You know what, the prime time Sunday Night Man Raiders, you.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Know what else that means? Take the under.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm gonna drink every time Zach Wilson takes a sack. Dude,
you're gonna be hammered by the end of the first
hour of the show. Well, then I'll sleep well. Ben
Maller's coming up next Fox.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Jetty so
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I don't I don't know if I don't know, if
it's sad,
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