November 14, 2023 • 37 mins
Jason and Mike update Monday Night Football between the Broncos and Bills. NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the show for all the latest on the Jets, Patriots, 49ers and the Jags. And the Legend of Josh Dobbs grows!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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(00:50):
Night Football, and I love it especially more tonight because
of the game going on. I can postpone having to
talk about the Jets, so it's good. So I like
Monday Night foot. I like the fact that Bills stink
and Josh Allen is turning to a quarterback where I
don't know what kind of throzy things they can make,
but I kind of dig this, So far. We can
kick that can down the road a few minutes with
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the Jets to night.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, that's the beauty of a Monday night and a
Thursday night football game. And I'm gonna stay right straight
into this camera, and I'm gonna say, for the sake
of America, I know it will never happen. Too much money,
too much commerce going on, but for all our sakes,
night games have to go the hell away because they
all stink week after week if we get one every nine.
(01:34):
So Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Wait, wait, you always wait, now, hang on, hang on. No, No,
I've known you for how long now? About a decade?
About a decade. Yeah, since I've known you. I think
the first thing you said to me is I.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Celebrate celebrate them all. No, no, no, you celebrate them all.
You say it all the time, and I will. You're
in there, proper. I'm trying to do this. I'm looking
out for the players and for your eyes and ears.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But you just you're done with them. You start toay, no, no,
they're still part of the two seventy two. But my
point is we need to move them.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We need to move that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I have to love some less than others. No, No,
you said this to seventy two all equally, Well we
still no, we still have to rank them one through
two seventy two on a season. But the point I'm
trying to make here is the players clearly don't like
playing at night because they give us terrible, terrible efforts
(02:34):
time and time again. How often are you saying the
under isn't even being challenged in these games? The announcers
don't want to be there, You don't want to watch it.
Tell me your eyes weren't bleeding watching your team yesterday.
I think your phrases. I celebrate them all.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I do.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I think that's your eyes.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
But I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But but you're parenthetically putting equally in But you just
say you sell it. You celebrate them all, do all
to seventy Yes, that means like if you had two
hundred and seventy two children, you love them all. You say, oh,
so they're not all equally go ahead, No, not all equally,
not at two seventy two. I can do it at
too them all, but I can't do it at you.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
No, I all.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I love all to seventy two, love them, but but
you know they're lesssion of them. Well, it's like multiplicity.
But you see, you like all the Michael Keaton's the same.
You know you don't you celebrate all of them. You
celebrate them all. I celebrate them all. I tell me
you don't celebrate all. Holiday is a little bit different.
I might have heard you say that phrase, I don't
know one hundred and fifty times in the last nine
(03:35):
and I still celebrate them all. Yeah, right, but you
just said, now these now you don't celebrate these No, no, no,
I celebrate these games, but I want them move to
the daytime because Monday afternoon for yeah, because clearly there's
something wrong with the body gluts and the ability to
put on a good performance in the evening that we
are seeing time and time again. And it's not just
(03:56):
because of the matchups. It's not just because of the matchups. No,
these players are coming out the bullet that Josh Allen
threw to Gabe Davis that went right through his hands interception.
So you're not celebrating this game?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Now that I'm here live in the Fox Sports radio
as the second half kicks off?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now, you celebrate every damn set? Okay, so celebrating. You
wanted to get rid of this game. You want it
to be a different time during the day because you
were first. You celebrate all of them. Now you're not
celebrating this game. But now you're here we started. You're
celebrating again. But I was.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I was speaking on behalf of America and me and
for the NFLPA. For the fact that you do not
say that, Norman, you do not you do not to performance.
You know, you do not say I celebrate them all
for America and for the nfl PA. That is not
part of what you say. That is what I've tried
to say. You're part of what you say is no,
like that's a better catch phrase. I celebrate them all.
(04:50):
Now we're getting into the nuanced conversation about nighttime football
and what a trash can ever. We seemed again on
a regular base, no.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Way more exciting than the Bears and oh dude watching
test pack.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And you were exciting and.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Forty eight is an exciting game, Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, that was exciting. There's a lot of points. It's excited.
Pam's family was doing backflips. Man, I'll tell you they're
so you'll know what.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
The end wasn't exciting for me, but the game was
very exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was seven seven, fourteen, seven, fourteen, fourteen,
twenty one, fourteen, twenty one, twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I celebrate defense. I mean I'd like to see some
played now and again.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, but now maybe I think maybe you don't celebrate defense.
Maybe now you celebrate defense. I don't like nighttime defense,
so I don't celebrate that now. I don't know. I
can't tell you. I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
There's a nice good celebrate their their shields when they're
wearing the shields.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You celebrate our show, our shows at night. You celebrate
our show, of course.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm here every night, though, but it's at night, you're okay, yeah,
but I bring performance, okay, for four hours each night.
I would argue some of the NFL players and the
announcers on certain telecasts, those who will not be named,
maybe just.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Don't Jason, you want to talk about Mike's performance performance.
I mean, the guy showed up late three times this week.
You went to performance his performance. You've got to be
asked me a question like that about Mike harvionformance. Well,
I try to think of something.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Three times. I look at Jason taken Roll.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The guy had three home runs office. I was trying
to think of something at the three Yeah Tonight show,
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Mike Harmon did show up. The Buffalo Bills so far
(06:37):
have not. Early in the third quarter, the Broncos have
the football. They are leading this game fifteen to eight
thanks to numerous mistakes from the Bills. Three turnovers in
the first half, two picks by Josh Allen, a fumble
by James Cook, and the Bills just aren't the Bills.
You're way back when we started preview the season, way
(07:01):
back because you know, ahead of the curve, when I said, yeah,
I don't know about the Bills this year, just because
the calendar turns and they come so close every year.
This is not the same Bills team, right. They have
new they're trying to work in daltonk and Cato took
him a while, but now finally he's a big weapon
as a touchdown tonight. But they can't run the football.
Josh Allen is trying to do way too much. The
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defense isn't quite what it was in years past, and
maybe the Bill's window to win a Super Bowl has closed.
And this is way the beginning of the summer. But hey,
you know, I don't know. And then things started to
get a little weird. Stefan Diggs nod at practice. Is
he holding out? Does he want more money? Josh Allen
had to have a press conference saying no, everything is fine,
Everything is fine, But still Stefon Diggs missed some time.
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This has not been the smoothest ride for Buffalo going
into the season, and you have seen it manifest itself.
They lose opening night to the Jets and Zach Wilson.
I mean, really, that lost to Zach Wilson just looks
so bad. Every week it looks worse and worse. And
they've been an up and down team all year. They
have weeks where they look like, okay, the Bills look great,
and they have weeks like tonight where they struggle, and
(08:05):
a lot of it is Josh Allen doesn't get the
ball in the right place. He takes a lot of chances.
He's gone from I have so much confidence in what
I can do, and normally that's great. And the thing is,
he's got pretty good playmakers at receiver, right, you know,
Gabe Davis is a pretty good number two. It was,
and you know, and now Kinkaid has become Young's supposed
to be the next Travis Kelcey. The last four weeks
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he's picked him up. Stefon Diggs is still Stefan Diggs,
and still the Buffalo Bill struggled because the offense isn't
quite what it was. They can't run the football as much.
Alan is not as accurate. The defense isn't quite what
it was either. It's just a little bit of erosion
from this team. But because it's Allan and Diggs every year,
you think, well, they're gonna be great, right, No, they're not.
This is why they struggle. They lose this game. They're
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five hundred. I mean, this is a five hundred Buffalo
Bills team that so many people thought this is a
super Bowl team. No, I told you the Bills were
gonna struggle.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's important you brought up Gabe Davis because, like I said,
the ball went whistling straight his hands. Okay, you're a
professional receiver. It's going near your gloves and through your gloves.
Grip the damn ball, right, I mean that was a
play that Allen delivered. They were on the Denver twenty
eight moving the ball instead. It's an interception. Look and
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they all count the same.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's like wins or can be ugly as long as
you get them right. I mean, that was the Dan
Campbell's speech in the locker room. Don't listen to whatever
they're hard to come by. Celebrate everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's what That's what I love all two seventy two
because then it goes away for a long time. Now
you love them all, I still have to rank one
to two. You just said you didn't celebrate. You're not celebrating.
See no, you're you're just twisting my word. You're just
trying to contort what I'm trying to con Hang on,
hang on, ty Shirt Frostburg is harmon? Is anything being
(09:50):
contorted here? Or did five minutes ago? He just go
through out. I don't like these night games and then,
but I do celebrate all of them. And now he celebrates,
I mean eight minutes of the opening segment would say.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Other words, I will say, I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh well that's okay.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, you're not the biggest sports that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's a lot of sports song. It's too much sports,
too much.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The point of making those like you brought up Gabe
Davis as a number two. Well he's regressed and he
is an every third week guy at this point. You've
seen Khalil Shakir in the last couple of weeks become
a bigger part of the offense. Dawson Knox was once
a part of the offense. He's gone through some injury issues,
but yeah, Kincaid, it's taken some time to get going.
He's got the touchdown reception tonight. He also had you know,
(10:34):
a ball sale through his hands that he should have
caught earlier, So you know, Alan, Yeah, the second interception
was just awful and allowed Denver to convert and and
put tack on another three before the end of the half.
But you know, all in, the commitment to the run
game has been suspect. Coming into last week, James Cook
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was top seven in the league in terms of rushing
yards at averaging over four and a half yards of pop,
yet they would go away from it. Latavius Murray, who
you've seen a little bit tonight. He's given them a
nice spark now and again since coming in, Yet they'll
still go away from the run game. I love Josh
Allen more than anybody. You remember you were sitting there
with me. I championed him when nobody gave a damn
(11:15):
about Josh Allen as he airmiles what seemed like a
very makeable throw to end a possession. But the idea
is it's all been on his arm and his leg. Defensively,
they've had attrition. You've lost two of your key members
of your back seven for the year. Mulano's loss is
absolutely huge for this squad, and they're trying to piece
(11:36):
it together as they can. You've brought in, you know,
guys at the deadline and guys that hit free agency,
but trying to recapture what they had a year ago. Yeah,
it's been a feudal effort to this point. How much
of it is on Ken Dorsey, how much of it
is Sean McDermott has hit his ceiling and then some
we'll talk about coaches on hot seats. I gotta imagine
(11:57):
he's getting to a little boil there.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's it's just not the same team. Now, maybe it's
a case of it's a reload after you, hey, what
we thought we had, we had too much erosion, But
it's it's just not the same team and they weren't
the same team coming in. Eventually, when you get to
ten weeks and you're still struggling, this is kind of
who you are, sure you know, and there's no one
coming to ride to the rescue, and it's it's Josh
Allen making better decisions. It's it's a lot of things
(12:22):
that you're gonna you're asking a lot to turn a
team into a into a really good team again.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, also recovering from how last season ended, not just
the playoff laws, but all the debar, Hamlin and energy
and everything that that went through in that process. And
that's not an easy thing to just come right back
together and think that you're gonna recapture whatever. If you
believe in momentum or not that that it's just gonna
be set it and let's just fly again. Because the
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division also got better. There's in the AFC as a
whole got better. There's some teams that put up some
real head scratching performances on Sunday for us. But performance
some of them, you could argue they didn't give you
much of one.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That was last night. That was all last night. All
the bad performance was last night. All of it was
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of the curve the Bills were going to struggle.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Look at where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We'll keep you updated on this game. Still a touchdown
lead by the Broncos midway through the third quarter. Coming
up next, Yeah, what is next for the Jets? Is
there any way out? What's next to the Ravens after
that incredible loss yesterday? What about Kyler Murray? What about
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(15:07):
little reversal of fortune here. As the Broncos were at
midfield looking like they were driving down for what could
have been a two score lead, Courtland Sutton gets the
ball popped out. The Bills recover along the sideline. A
little bit of a discrepancy whether one of the players
came back in from out of bounds and touch the
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football butt they gave the ball to the Bills. James
Cook just goes for ten yards on first down and
the Bills are driving down fifteen to eight midway through
the third quarter. We'll have more on this game coming
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out on Odyssey, the Washington Post. On Twitter at Jason
lock and for it is Jason Lock and for alum
of the two to zero Syracuse basketball team at Syracus University. Jay,
what's happening Bud? Everything? Well, I would say everything is good,
but you know Jets, so.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Uh wait, who has it worse out there in Baltimore
area or your Jets.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, it's where I have it worse because the Ravens
are at least good. They just blew a game. I mean,
my goodness, my, my whole existence is being called in
the question. Uh. Let let's uh, let's start with the
Jets and we'll get to the Ravens. Look, Robert Sala
comes out and says, today, no changes. They're sticking with Zach.
They're sticking with a play call or everything else. And
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and all I can think of after that abysmal showing
last night, is boy really Joe Douglas and Robert Sala
want want to die on the hill of Zach Wilson.
We're gonna keep him as We're gonna keep everything the same.
We're not gonna adjust how we call plays on offense
to make it better. We're not gonna no, no, no,
this is the hill we're gonna die on. I I
that's the most amazing part.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Of it to me.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Jay, It's something, isn't it. It's kind of mining like
I don't understand, Like go find your Carson Wentz or whatever,
you know, like go find somebody off the street, go
or somebody into coming there and you know, making a
couple hundred thousand whatever, seven eight hundred thousand dollars for
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the rest of the year or whatever it is, you know,
and try to sell them on the playoffs like that.
It's it's a joke. It's not fooling anybody. It's not
fooling anybody around the league. It's not fooling anybody in
that locker room. It's it's not particularly cute. They keep
lowering the bar for this kid to try to justify it.
But there's a reason why teams are constantly looking to
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turn their roster and get better developmental quarterbacks, get better
backup quarterbacks, get better starting quarterbacks. And I mean, Aaron Rodgers,
how long ago was that? I mean in the fourth
snap of the season. You've had a lot of time
to address that situation. And we've seen a lot of quarterbacks.
Dobs have been traded twice this year.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, you know what I wouldn't give to have Josh
Dobbs quarterback in the Jets. I'd love to have Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Absolutely. It's it's lunacy that they did nothing, and it's
it's lunacy that they think they can sell this to people.
And most importantly, it's lunacy that they think they can
sell that in their own locker room. And for as
plugged in as solid you know thinks he is, and
for as much as they think they've changed the culture,
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and they have certainly built a good defense. But like,
come on, that's you. There's somebody playing the CFL right
now who can give you what Zach Wilson's giving you.
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
All Smith can do is start laughing. I will sell
Fluty Flakes again. Bring him back in the fantastic right now.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Because they're down on the playoffs and stuff. But you
know what I mean, they're wrapping up. But yeah, you
look at the whole league.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, after they're done with the CFL playoffs, then there'd
be somebody there then.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But then Rogers will.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Be back, because it's mid December, he's getting back. He'll
be fine. Come on, will be four and ten when
he comes back. It'll be great.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Okay, all right, I keep trying to tell him, hope's
a dangerous thing.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Jason, You're already lucky.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I mean, your record already flatters you like this has
come up hard to win in the NFL without an offense,
they can't score touchdowns. They don't. They do not score
offensive touchdowns. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, you look at the record and say, this guy
must be one hell of a coach with that offense
that he's walking out there. Although the the indictment of Hackett,
like unless Aaron Rodgers is under center, Man, you want
to talk about a guy that keeps collecting.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
You're looking better right now that fraud or Sean Pateon
remember that thing, Remember when that was a thing?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's changed a couple of times.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Sean Payton should shut up, keep his mouth shut about
Nathaniel Hacket.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
The infighting.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
All right, let's go to to Baltimore in the second
half collapse and and I know a lot of handwringing
and Lamar Jackson the topic of a lot of discussion.
I know, Harball says, hey, you just burn it and
move on right close.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yeah, that's cute, but that's not reality. He also tried
to say this kind of stuff happens in the NFL.
I mean it doesn't. It doesn't happen with this much regularity.
I mean, you go back over a couple of years now,
and you look at blown games in the fourth quarter,
you look at blown ten point leads in the in
the second half, you look at blown two score leads
at home. No, it doesn't. Nobody else is doing this
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with this regularity. Certainly, not any good team that fancies
itself a Super Bowl contender. Certainly not any team who
my guy, everybody I talked to last week was like,
tell me, you know, just go ahead and admit it.
The Ravens are the best team in football like that.
I gut Scott bombarded with it. And I'm like, really, well,
you tell me a wide receiver who could win downfield
in this team, and you tell me a team that
allegedly is the best defense in football that can't stop
(21:04):
even mediocre quarterbacks from you know, once every three or
four weeks, wrecking their seasons in the fourth quarter. It's
just it's far too commonplace. They have a roster flaw
in how their offense is built, and they have a
character flaw in how they handle four quarters of football
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collectively as a football team, and they've been through multiple
offensive coordinators and multiple defensive coordinators and the same problems
still persist. So there's certainly a very good team, no
doubt about that. Do I think they're great. Do I
think they're going to win a Super Bowl? I don't.
And I think they've opened the door wide a jar
(21:47):
now in the AFC North, and they play Cincinnati Thursday night,
and if they lose that game, then you know you're
looking at them now having a below five hundred record
in the division. Right, You're looking at some mounting AFC losses,
and you're looking at a team that still has a
rivalry game with Pittsburgh Loomi, right, that still has to
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go to San Francisco, that still has to play Jacksonville.
So we'll see. They're not great against the runs. The
dirty little secret again about their number one defense. They
give it up in the fourth quarter with great regularity.
And again, you take away Mark Andrews like the Browns did,
and you'll get Zay Flowers running around underneath a little
(22:30):
bit and that's it. They do not complete downfield passes
of twenty yards and more in the air, and I
think that's kind of a big deal in the modern NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
NFL insider Jason Locking for our guest Jason Smith Shaw
with Mike Carmen Live fromthtirack dot com studios. All right,
so from the teams at the top, let's go to
the bottom, where we saw once again another horrendous Sunday
for the Patriots. They bench mac Jones, and you know
the buzzards are circling for Belichick and Jones. If I
said to you, Jay, the Patriots season plays out the
(23:03):
rest of the way, like blank, what are you gonna say?
How's that? What do we see out of them the
rest of the season?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Not much? If you're Robert Kraft at this point, you're
probably just hoping you lose, right, yeah, I mean, let
let's be real, like what it's two and eight. You
can't win at home, you can't win on a domestic soul,
you can't win on internationals like I feel like I'm
the CADNAT. You cannot beat bad teams at home, you
cannot beat bad teams on road. You cannot beat good
teams anywhere. You embarrass yourself in Germany, like you know, like,
(23:33):
what's the difference now? I mean you try to get
the first overall pick. I mean the answer at quarterback
isn't on the roster. I just think you write it
out and Belchick you know, picks up with another couple
of wins along the way, the inch a little closer
to shore, and then he goes on his merry way,
(23:53):
and you go on yours. That's that's what it is.
I mean, you uh, it's it's now. I think they're
tied with now the Commanders, or maybe they have one
more win than the Commanders for like twenty second and
twenty third in the NFL since the start of the
twenty twenty season since life without Tom Brady, Like the
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Raiders have two more wins than them now since Tom
Brady left, like and you look at all the other
teams that are wrote about this in the Washington Post
last week. Look go back to twenty twenty. Look at
all the teams from most wins to fewest. Everybody behind
Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. All the only like seven
teams behind them have all already fired their coach since then.
Most of those teams have fired multiple coaches since then.
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So this is heading in a particular direction for those
two men.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And they won't be back next year as we look
at they'll be out the door. But one guy looks
like he's sticking around. Kyler Murray, I mean, we've all
seen the reverse scramble, sprint for your life, first down
pick up, He's back. James Connor came back. So suddenly, hey,
they're tanking and they're going to I'll find a new quarterback. No, now,
it looks like a full rebuild around Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Right, move with that.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I wouldn't get carried away with that. I mean, Atlanta
is a flawed team. Atlanta's quarterbacks didn't combine for one
hundred yards passing in that game, and it took a
last second field goal to win at home, and they
weren't a prolific passing team themselves. I mean, Murray made
a couple of big plays scrambling, but it's you know,
he had Hollywood Brown wants early for like twenty nine yards.
(25:28):
But and I get it if it is only his
first game back. But I wouldn't get too carried away
with any of those narratives. Yet. Let's see if he
even stays healthy between now and the end of the year.
Let's see how you know he plays, and let's see
what it's all going to just come down to what
Bidwell wants to do, and if the perfect storm for
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them would probably be that he plays well enough that
you can move off them, and that they pick high
enough that they can get someone younger, cheaper and potentially better.
There's there's been a lot of I mean, remember the
press releases and stuff. I mean, you know, Trent forcing him,
you know, to study his playbook more like that. Stuff
doesn't go away, it doesn't get erased, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So if you're not believing in Kyler Murray, we watched
the forty nine ers yesterday. Get everybody healthy. The first
Bosa Young game turned out to be pretty well for you.
Are they back? Did they just hit lightning in a bottle?
What is it? No?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I mean, I look, I mean that that you're talking
about adding guys who were, you know, among the best
of breed at what they do it offensively begins and
ends with Trent Williams. I mean that is their everything.
What they can do in the run game with him,
how effective they start running outside and now the play
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action is available everywhere and the quarterback can sling it
in the pocket and out of the pocket. I mean,
Trent Williams is far and away the guy who makes
their DVOA go. Their overall offensive efficiency, everything the run
and the path whole kit and kaboodle, and again if
he's if he's healthy, from here on out, they're gonna
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be in pretty good shape, even if you know a
few guys here and there go down offensively and then defensively.
They obviously feasted, and the Ohio State, you know, reunion
bookend thing there looked pretty damn good, and their D
line had been there underbelly. They were bad against the run,
and they weren't generating the kind of pressure rates that
you're accustomed to from them. So we'll see if if
(27:30):
they fixed it. But yeah, if that's the group, if
that roster that played that game in Jacksonville is you know,
among the game day active for their playoff games, then
they're gonna be pretty damn formidable again, especially if Trent
Williams is among them.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, I'd like to go on the other side of that,
but that's gonna take like an hour to break down
what's going on with Jacksonville. So let's stick with Ohio States.
Yalli CJ. Stroud now thirty to one for the MVP,
and it looks like they can chase down Jacksonville here
in the South.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting week here I think
that they'll take care of business and wipe up Arizona
at home. I guess it could be a letdown spot
for them, but I'm not sure they've accomplished enough to
have those yet. And I really believe in what Demico
Ryans has them doing. And yeh, Stroud's been phenomenal for
him to go on the road and outduel Joe Burrow
(28:24):
facing a really good, proven playoff defense and having to
sort of comeback and overcome fumbles and that interception was massive.
And I know what he can do against teams that
blitz him like crazy because they think he's a young
quarterback and we can rattle him. But the way that
the Bengals mix up their ZWN coverages and they're not
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a big blitz team, and for him to put up
that kind of performance against them on the road was
really huge for me. So yeah, I don't know about MVP,
but he's obviously going to run away with Rookie of
the Year and he is the real deal. And we'll see,
you know, we'll see about the Jags. I think this
will be a get right spot for the Jags against
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the Titans Tennessee on the road. I mean not that
they're good, period, but Tennessee on the road is absolutely
the dregs, you know, and Will Levis has a ways
to go, and that's becoming a parent. I mean him
coming in playing one home game and then what like
this will be his third straight road game. I think
that's gonna be a tough stretch for him. And I
don't know that they'll chase Jacksonville down, but it's certainly
(29:30):
not out of question.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He's on Twitter at Jason lock and For that is
at Jason lock and for check him out on Odissey
Washington Post as well. Jay is always buddy appreciating man.
We'll talk to you next week. I thought.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Pleasure, gentlemen, enjoy the rest of the game. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
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Quick update from the game. The Bills were driving, had
the ball at midfield and then a botched handoff between
Josh Allen and James Cook. The Broncos recover, However, it
looks like they're gonna get stopped, have to punt it away.
Looked like Josh Allen kind of lost to handle the
(30:27):
ball a little bit. It Yeah, and recovered by the Broncos,
and again the damage is minimized because it will be
punting back to the Bills here when we begin the
fourth one.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, James Cook, we didn't move his hands good like
he gave you the frame of here's why I want
the ball, and the ball wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So we'll have more on this fifteen fifteen. But straight ahead,
you want to know what is, without a doubt, the
best story of the NFL this season, the player who
is the best story, and it's just gonna get even better.
That's coming up now right here, Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
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Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is the new Beatles song, right? This is this
is our last song? Right, this is a new one.
It's a good song.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean it's got a great message. Yeah, message of
piece and positivity.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What did they released this song earlier?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
This is a good song.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Really would have had some traction to it, No question
about beat to it and everything else. Are you gonna
say you can really bug out to it while you're
at it.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Jason, you know who this song doesn't work for?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Who?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Doesn't it work for the Jets? Nothing works for the Jets.
Can work it out, Nothing works for the Jets. Fox
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The bills are just punted to the Broncos. Broncos have
it near Midfield and is fifteen fifteen UH bills four
turnovers tonight have enabled this one to maintain a tie
with the three and five Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, right now, you're you're feeling pretty good. That buffalo
is gonna keep giving you chances. If you bet the
Broncos plus the eight, you're feeling pretty good right now,
you're probably feeling all right, feeling pretty good. Although everybody
goes for two anymore and random places. So there's the
Bills were to score again, they'd go for two. No,
they have they have the math that says on this works,
(32:38):
this is why it should work. Just look listen, let
me just just just listen. Just you want to go,
just go, just go. Ask Lincoln Riley. Listen, you're going
out logic, Lincoln Riley. And then and then ask James Franklin.
Going for two works? Or can we know we know
when to go for two? Always always works?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You want to talk about because we got to get
to the Jets in a few minutes, so let's talk
about their you did, but we got to talking about
people need to be fired. But you want to talk
about the best story in the NFL this year that
I even bigger bold prediction for you last week after
the debut for Josh Dobbs with the Vikings. We said
(33:19):
he's gonna win some people some fantasy championships this year
because he's gonna run the football. We know he's gonna
throw it well enough, but the Vikings can't run the
football at all. He's gonna be the guy that winds
up being their leading rusher out of the backfield. Guess
what happened when he came in to win the game
a week ago. Happened yesterday? You know, forty yards in
a touchdown? Right, they win the game being an underdog
(33:42):
against a pretty good defense. And I'll tell you this much,
Josh Dobbs is gonna play his way into being the
longest term answer at quarterback for the Vikings. He's this
year's Geno Smith, where after years of bouncing around being
a backup, finally through crazy confluence of circumstances which made
(34:03):
him go to the to the Cardinals who then said, no,
we can't have you on the team anymore. And now
he's quarterbacking the Vikings who are gonna contend for a
playoff Berth. He's going to play well because you know why,
because he's smart and he and he can make plays athletic,
smart quarterback. But I like is he knows when to
make plays with his legs. He knows when to put
(34:24):
pressure on the defense, and when to take the football
and go with it, and when to stay in the
pocket and throw. It's really impressive. And if you didn't
think he was going to be good after jumping in
that first week, well there's no other evidence you need.
The guy coming in without any practice can bring a
team from behind him win a game. Josh Dobbs is
going to play his way into a two or three
year deal worth a lot of money to be the
Vikings quarterback. Doesn't mean the Vikings aren't going to take
(34:45):
a quarterback after this year, but it's gonna be Hey,
Kirk Cousins, see you later, you go somewhere else. Josh
Dobb's gonna get a nice two or three year deal
for fifty million sixty is something like that, more money
than he's ever made in the NFL. They'll still draft
a quarterback, say just in case Josh Dobbs turns back
into Josh Dobbs. But he works with what we're doing
and it's an exciting level of the team. We can't
run the ball. He seemed to fix that. So now
(35:07):
we'd have to worry about drafting a running back as
much because we have a quarterback that could run the ball.
He's gonna be this year's Geno Smith, and he's gonna
get a long term deal, and he's gonna be the
Vikings quarterback the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
He played pretty well in Arizona with a team devoid
of talent. Right, you thought you had zach Ertz, but
he couldn't stay healthy. He was on the shelf. James
Connor was out with an injury, so he was persevering.
You had wide receiving core was Hollywood Brown, who was
on again, off again, and.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Your number two Michael Wilson, the rookie.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
He's got twenty eight catches on the year, but hasn't
quite flashed with the regularity that you'd hope for a
high draft pick. So yeah, making making the most obviously
not winning games, but keeping it competitive. They did have
that big stunner against Dallas with him under center. And yeah,
at this point in his career, Kirk Cousins coming off
another big injury. Here, he's gonna go into the open marketplace.
(36:02):
See you if I'm the Vikings. I got Justin Jefferson,
who's all excited. I mean they've won five in a
row without him. But Hockinson labored through the game yesterday. Yeah,
kJ Osbern didn't play. I mean, you had a bunch
of component parts that were missing or less than gunning
it out, and you come away with a big wins.
(36:22):
So yeah, they're propelled and and look like they're in
a pretty good spot to claim a playoff spot. And
for Josh Doobbs, look, even if you're you're not gonna
have to pay him the exorbitant rate, right, You're not
gonna have to pay him top of market.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And more importantly, TJ clearly it was a shot in
the dark for Osborne to play yesterday he did.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I really thought you were gonna go Dobby here or
something with the playoff Dobbs.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Look, he's gonna be he's got socks or something something.
They give him a sock. He can stay because he
was looking for a jersey. Why don't you make my
jersey of he Don the Vikings. Make my jump Don
Vikings quarterback next couple of years. He's gonna make a
lot of money. And the best story in the NFL
is gonna get even better, Josh Dobbs, everybody uh. Coming
(37:10):
up next, We got more from Monday Night football and
something I gonna say even though I don't really want to.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Cleveland's good.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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(00:50):
Night Football, and I love it especially more tonight because
of the game going on. I can postpone having to
talk about the Jets, so it's good. So I like
Monday Night foot. I like the fact that Bills stink
and Josh Allen is turning to a quarterback where I
don't know what kind of throzy things they can make,
but I kind of dig this, So far. We can
kick that can down the road a few minutes with
(01:10):
the Jets to night.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, that's the beauty of a Monday night and a
Thursday night football game. And I'm gonna stay right straight
into this camera, and I'm gonna say, for the sake
of America, I know it will never happen. Too much money,
too much commerce going on, but for all our sakes,
night games have to go the hell away because they
all stink week after week if we get one every nine.
(01:34):
So Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Wait, wait, you always wait, now, hang on, hang on. No, No,
I've known you for how long now? About a decade?
About a decade. Yeah, since I've known you. I think
the first thing you said to me is I.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Celebrate celebrate them all. No, no, no, you celebrate them all.
You say it all the time, and I will. You're
in there, proper. I'm trying to do this. I'm looking
out for the players and for your eyes and ears.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But you just you're done with them. You start toay, no, no,
they're still part of the two seventy two. But my
point is we need to move them.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We need to move that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I have to love some less than others. No, No,
you said this to seventy two all equally, Well we
still no, we still have to rank them one through
two seventy two on a season. But the point I'm
trying to make here is the players clearly don't like
playing at night because they give us terrible, terrible efforts
(02:34):
time and time again. How often are you saying the
under isn't even being challenged in these games? The announcers
don't want to be there, You don't want to watch it.
Tell me your eyes weren't bleeding watching your team yesterday.
I think your phrases. I celebrate them all.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I do.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I think that's your eyes.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
But I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But but you're parenthetically putting equally in But you just
say you sell it. You celebrate them all, do all
to seventy Yes, that means like if you had two
hundred and seventy two children, you love them all. You say, oh,
so they're not all equally go ahead, No, not all equally,
not at two seventy two. I can do it at
too them all, but I can't do it at you.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
No, I all.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I love all to seventy two, love them, but but
you know they're lesssion of them. Well, it's like multiplicity.
But you see, you like all the Michael Keaton's the same.
You know you don't you celebrate all of them. You
celebrate them all. I celebrate them all. I tell me
you don't celebrate all. Holiday is a little bit different.
I might have heard you say that phrase, I don't
know one hundred and fifty times in the last nine
(03:35):
and I still celebrate them all. Yeah, right, but you
just said, now these now you don't celebrate these No, no, no,
I celebrate these games, but I want them move to
the daytime because Monday afternoon for yeah, because clearly there's
something wrong with the body gluts and the ability to
put on a good performance in the evening that we
are seeing time and time again. And it's not just
(03:56):
because of the matchups. It's not just because of the matchups. No,
these players are coming out the bullet that Josh Allen
threw to Gabe Davis that went right through his hands interception.
So you're not celebrating this game?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Now that I'm here live in the Fox Sports radio
as the second half kicks off?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now, you celebrate every damn set? Okay, so celebrating. You
wanted to get rid of this game. You want it
to be a different time during the day because you
were first. You celebrate all of them. Now you're not
celebrating this game. But now you're here we started. You're
celebrating again. But I was.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I was speaking on behalf of America and me and
for the NFLPA. For the fact that you do not
say that, Norman, you do not you do not to performance.
You know, you do not say I celebrate them all
for America and for the nfl PA. That is not
part of what you say. That is what I've tried
to say. You're part of what you say is no,
like that's a better catch phrase. I celebrate them all.
(04:50):
Now we're getting into the nuanced conversation about nighttime football
and what a trash can ever. We seemed again on
a regular base, no.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Way more exciting than the Bears and oh dude watching
test pack.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And you were exciting and.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Forty eight is an exciting game, Mike.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, that was exciting. There's a lot of points. It's excited.
Pam's family was doing backflips. Man, I'll tell you they're
so you'll know what.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
The end wasn't exciting for me, but the game was
very exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was seven seven, fourteen, seven, fourteen, fourteen,
twenty one, fourteen, twenty one, twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I celebrate defense. I mean I'd like to see some
played now and again.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, but now maybe I think maybe you don't celebrate defense.
Maybe now you celebrate defense. I don't like nighttime defense,
so I don't celebrate that now. I don't know. I
can't tell you. I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
There's a nice good celebrate their their shields when they're
wearing the shields.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You celebrate our show, our shows at night. You celebrate
our show, of course.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm here every night, though, but it's at night, you're okay, yeah,
but I bring performance, okay, for four hours each night.
I would argue some of the NFL players and the
announcers on certain telecasts, those who will not be named,
maybe just.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Don't Jason, you want to talk about Mike's performance performance.
I mean, the guy showed up late three times this week.
You went to performance his performance. You've got to be
asked me a question like that about Mike harvionformance. Well,
I try to think of something.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Three times. I look at Jason taken Roll.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The guy had three home runs office. I was trying
to think of something at the three Yeah Tonight show,
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(06:37):
have not. Early in the third quarter, the Broncos have
the football. They are leading this game fifteen to eight
thanks to numerous mistakes from the Bills. Three turnovers in
the first half, two picks by Josh Allen, a fumble
by James Cook, and the Bills just aren't the Bills.
You're way back when we started preview the season, way
(07:01):
back because you know, ahead of the curve, when I said, yeah,
I don't know about the Bills this year, just because
the calendar turns and they come so close every year.
This is not the same Bills team, right. They have
new they're trying to work in daltonk and Cato took
him a while, but now finally he's a big weapon
as a touchdown tonight. But they can't run the football.
Josh Allen is trying to do way too much. The
(07:23):
defense isn't quite what it was in years past, and
maybe the Bill's window to win a Super Bowl has closed.
And this is way the beginning of the summer. But hey,
you know, I don't know. And then things started to
get a little weird. Stefan Diggs nod at practice. Is
he holding out? Does he want more money? Josh Allen
had to have a press conference saying no, everything is fine,
Everything is fine, But still Stefon Diggs missed some time.
(07:43):
This has not been the smoothest ride for Buffalo going
into the season, and you have seen it manifest itself.
They lose opening night to the Jets and Zach Wilson.
I mean, really, that lost to Zach Wilson just looks
so bad. Every week it looks worse and worse. And
they've been an up and down team all year. They
have weeks where they look like, okay, the Bills look great,
and they have weeks like tonight where they struggle, and
(08:05):
a lot of it is Josh Allen doesn't get the
ball in the right place. He takes a lot of chances.
He's gone from I have so much confidence in what
I can do, and normally that's great. And the thing is,
he's got pretty good playmakers at receiver, right, you know,
Gabe Davis is a pretty good number two. It was,
and you know, and now Kinkaid has become Young's supposed
to be the next Travis Kelcey. The last four weeks
(08:26):
he's picked him up. Stefon Diggs is still Stefan Diggs,
and still the Buffalo Bill struggled because the offense isn't
quite what it was. They can't run the football as much.
Alan is not as accurate. The defense isn't quite what
it was either. It's just a little bit of erosion
from this team. But because it's Allan and Diggs every year,
you think, well, they're gonna be great, right, No, they're not.
This is why they struggle. They lose this game. They're
(08:48):
five hundred. I mean, this is a five hundred Buffalo
Bills team that so many people thought this is a
super Bowl team. No, I told you the Bills were
gonna struggle.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's important you brought up Gabe Davis because, like I said,
the ball went whistling straight his hands. Okay, you're a
professional receiver. It's going near your gloves and through your gloves.
Grip the damn ball, right, I mean that was a
play that Allen delivered. They were on the Denver twenty
eight moving the ball instead. It's an interception. Look and
(09:17):
they all count the same.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's like wins or can be ugly as long as
you get them right. I mean, that was the Dan
Campbell's speech in the locker room. Don't listen to whatever
they're hard to come by. Celebrate everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's what That's what I love all two seventy two
because then it goes away for a long time. Now
you love them all, I still have to rank one
to two. You just said you didn't celebrate. You're not celebrating.
See no, you're you're just twisting my word. You're just
trying to contort what I'm trying to con Hang on,
hang on, ty Shirt Frostburg is harmon? Is anything being
(09:50):
contorted here? Or did five minutes ago? He just go
through out. I don't like these night games and then,
but I do celebrate all of them. And now he celebrates,
I mean eight minutes of the opening segment would say.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Other words, I will say, I'm confused.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh well that's okay.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, you're not the biggest sports that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's a lot of sports song. It's too much sports,
too much.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The point of making those like you brought up Gabe
Davis as a number two. Well he's regressed and he
is an every third week guy at this point. You've
seen Khalil Shakir in the last couple of weeks become
a bigger part of the offense. Dawson Knox was once
a part of the offense. He's gone through some injury issues,
but yeah, Kincaid, it's taken some time to get going.
He's got the touchdown reception tonight. He also had you know,
(10:34):
a ball sale through his hands that he should have
caught earlier, So you know, Alan, Yeah, the second interception
was just awful and allowed Denver to convert and and
put tack on another three before the end of the half.
But you know, all in, the commitment to the run
game has been suspect. Coming into last week, James Cook
(10:54):
was top seven in the league in terms of rushing
yards at averaging over four and a half yards of pop,
yet they would go away from it. Latavius Murray, who
you've seen a little bit tonight. He's given them a
nice spark now and again since coming in, Yet they'll
still go away from the run game. I love Josh
Allen more than anybody. You remember you were sitting there
with me. I championed him when nobody gave a damn
(11:15):
about Josh Allen as he airmiles what seemed like a
very makeable throw to end a possession. But the idea
is it's all been on his arm and his leg. Defensively,
they've had attrition. You've lost two of your key members
of your back seven for the year. Mulano's loss is
absolutely huge for this squad, and they're trying to piece
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it together as they can. You've brought in, you know,
guys at the deadline and guys that hit free agency,
but trying to recapture what they had a year ago. Yeah,
it's been a feudal effort to this point. How much
of it is on Ken Dorsey, how much of it
is Sean McDermott has hit his ceiling and then some
we'll talk about coaches on hot seats. I gotta imagine
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he's getting to a little boil there.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's it's just not the same team. Now, maybe it's
a case of it's a reload after you, hey, what
we thought we had, we had too much erosion, But
it's it's just not the same team and they weren't
the same team coming in. Eventually, when you get to
ten weeks and you're still struggling, this is kind of
who you are, sure you know, and there's no one
coming to ride to the rescue, and it's it's Josh
Allen making better decisions. It's it's a lot of things
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that you're gonna you're asking a lot to turn a
team into a into a really good team again.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, also recovering from how last season ended, not just
the playoff laws, but all the debar, Hamlin and energy
and everything that that went through in that process. And
that's not an easy thing to just come right back
together and think that you're gonna recapture whatever. If you
believe in momentum or not that that it's just gonna
be set it and let's just fly again. Because the
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division also got better. There's in the AFC as a
whole got better. There's some teams that put up some
real head scratching performances on Sunday for us. But performance
some of them, you could argue they didn't give you
much of one.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That was last night. That was all last night. All
the bad performance was last night. All of it was
last night. I found a nice second screen experience watching ELF.
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of the curve the Bills were going to struggle.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Look at where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We'll keep you updated on this game. Still a touchdown
lead by the Broncos midway through the third quarter. Coming
up next, Yeah, what is next for the Jets? Is
there any way out? What's next to the Ravens after
that incredible loss yesterday? What about Kyler Murray? What about
Josh Dobbs. We got some great stories to dive into
with Jason lock and for coming up next right here,
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little reversal of fortune here. As the Broncos were at
midfield looking like they were driving down for what could
have been a two score lead, Courtland Sutton gets the
ball popped out. The Bills recover along the sideline. A
little bit of a discrepancy whether one of the players
came back in from out of bounds and touch the
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football butt they gave the ball to the Bills. James
Cook just goes for ten yards on first down and
the Bills are driving down fifteen to eight midway through
the third quarter. We'll have more on this game coming
up in a few minutes, but joining us now on
the hotline, nobody better to break down this huge week
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out on Odyssey, the Washington Post. On Twitter at Jason
lock and for it is Jason Lock and for alum
of the two to zero Syracuse basketball team at Syracus University. Jay,
what's happening Bud? Everything? Well, I would say everything is good,
but you know Jets, so.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Uh wait, who has it worse out there in Baltimore
area or your Jets.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, it's where I have it worse because the Ravens
are at least good. They just blew a game. I mean,
my goodness, my, my whole existence is being called in
the question. Uh. Let let's uh, let's start with the
Jets and we'll get to the Ravens. Look, Robert Sala
comes out and says, today, no changes. They're sticking with Zach.
They're sticking with a play call or everything else. And
(16:35):
and all I can think of after that abysmal showing
last night, is boy really Joe Douglas and Robert Sala
want want to die on the hill of Zach Wilson.
We're gonna keep him as We're gonna keep everything the same.
We're not gonna adjust how we call plays on offense
to make it better. We're not gonna no, no, no,
this is the hill we're gonna die on. I I
that's the most amazing part.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Of it to me.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Jay, It's something, isn't it. It's kind of mining like
I don't understand, Like go find your Carson Wentz or whatever,
you know, like go find somebody off the street, go
or somebody into coming there and you know, making a
couple hundred thousand whatever, seven eight hundred thousand dollars for
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the rest of the year or whatever it is, you know,
and try to sell them on the playoffs like that.
It's it's a joke. It's not fooling anybody. It's not
fooling anybody around the league. It's not fooling anybody in
that locker room. It's it's not particularly cute. They keep
lowering the bar for this kid to try to justify it.
But there's a reason why teams are constantly looking to
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turn their roster and get better developmental quarterbacks, get better
backup quarterbacks, get better starting quarterbacks. And I mean, Aaron Rodgers,
how long ago was that? I mean in the fourth
snap of the season. You've had a lot of time
to address that situation. And we've seen a lot of quarterbacks.
Dobs have been traded twice this year.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, you know what I wouldn't give to have Josh
Dobbs quarterback in the Jets. I'd love to have Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Absolutely. It's it's lunacy that they did nothing, and it's
it's lunacy that they think they can sell this to people.
And most importantly, it's lunacy that they think they can
sell that in their own locker room. And for as
plugged in as solid you know thinks he is, and
for as much as they think they've changed the culture,
(18:28):
and they have certainly built a good defense. But like,
come on, that's you. There's somebody playing the CFL right
now who can give you what Zach Wilson's giving you.
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
All Smith can do is start laughing. I will sell
Fluty Flakes again. Bring him back in the fantastic right now.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Because they're down on the playoffs and stuff. But you
know what I mean, they're wrapping up. But yeah, you
look at the whole league.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, after they're done with the CFL playoffs, then there'd
be somebody there then.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But then Rogers will.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Be back, because it's mid December, he's getting back. He'll
be fine. Come on, will be four and ten when
he comes back. It'll be great.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Okay, all right, I keep trying to tell him, hope's
a dangerous thing.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Jason, You're already lucky.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I mean, your record already flatters you like this has
come up hard to win in the NFL without an offense,
they can't score touchdowns. They don't. They do not score
offensive touchdowns. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, you look at the record and say, this guy
must be one hell of a coach with that offense
that he's walking out there. Although the the indictment of Hackett,
like unless Aaron Rodgers is under center, Man, you want
to talk about a guy that keeps collecting.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
You're looking better right now that fraud or Sean Pateon
remember that thing, Remember when that was a thing?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's changed a couple of times.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Sean Payton should shut up, keep his mouth shut about
Nathaniel Hacket.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
The infighting.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
All right, let's go to to Baltimore in the second
half collapse and and I know a lot of handwringing
and Lamar Jackson the topic of a lot of discussion.
I know, Harball says, hey, you just burn it and
move on right close.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yeah, that's cute, but that's not reality. He also tried
to say this kind of stuff happens in the NFL.
I mean it doesn't. It doesn't happen with this much regularity.
I mean, you go back over a couple of years now,
and you look at blown games in the fourth quarter,
you look at blown ten point leads in the in
the second half, you look at blown two score leads
at home. No, it doesn't. Nobody else is doing this
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with this regularity. Certainly, not any good team that fancies
itself a Super Bowl contender. Certainly not any team who
my guy, everybody I talked to last week was like,
tell me, you know, just go ahead and admit it.
The Ravens are the best team in football like that.
I gut Scott bombarded with it. And I'm like, really, well,
you tell me a wide receiver who could win downfield
in this team, and you tell me a team that
allegedly is the best defense in football that can't stop
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even mediocre quarterbacks from you know, once every three or
four weeks, wrecking their seasons in the fourth quarter. It's
just it's far too commonplace. They have a roster flaw
in how their offense is built, and they have a
character flaw in how they handle four quarters of football
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collectively as a football team, and they've been through multiple
offensive coordinators and multiple defensive coordinators and the same problems
still persist. So there's certainly a very good team, no
doubt about that. Do I think they're great. Do I
think they're going to win a Super Bowl? I don't.
And I think they've opened the door wide a jar
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now in the AFC North, and they play Cincinnati Thursday night,
and if they lose that game, then you know you're
looking at them now having a below five hundred record
in the division. Right, You're looking at some mounting AFC losses,
and you're looking at a team that still has a
rivalry game with Pittsburgh Loomi, right, that still has to
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go to San Francisco, that still has to play Jacksonville.
So we'll see. They're not great against the runs. The
dirty little secret again about their number one defense. They
give it up in the fourth quarter with great regularity.
And again, you take away Mark Andrews like the Browns did,
and you'll get Zay Flowers running around underneath a little
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bit and that's it. They do not complete downfield passes
of twenty yards and more in the air, and I
think that's kind of a big deal in the modern NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
NFL insider Jason Locking for our guest Jason Smith Shaw
with Mike Carmen Live fromthtirack dot com studios. All right,
so from the teams at the top, let's go to
the bottom, where we saw once again another horrendous Sunday
for the Patriots. They bench mac Jones, and you know
the buzzards are circling for Belichick and Jones. If I
said to you, Jay, the Patriots season plays out the
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rest of the way, like blank, what are you gonna say?
How's that? What do we see out of them the
rest of the season?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Not much? If you're Robert Kraft at this point, you're
probably just hoping you lose, right, yeah, I mean, let
let's be real, like what it's two and eight. You
can't win at home, you can't win on a domestic soul,
you can't win on internationals like I feel like I'm
the CADNAT. You cannot beat bad teams at home, you
cannot beat bad teams on road. You cannot beat good
teams anywhere. You embarrass yourself in Germany, like you know, like,
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what's the difference now? I mean you try to get
the first overall pick. I mean the answer at quarterback
isn't on the roster. I just think you write it
out and Belchick you know, picks up with another couple
of wins along the way, the inch a little closer
to shore, and then he goes on his merry way,
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and you go on yours. That's that's what it is.
I mean, you uh, it's it's now. I think they're
tied with now the Commanders, or maybe they have one
more win than the Commanders for like twenty second and
twenty third in the NFL since the start of the
twenty twenty season since life without Tom Brady, Like the
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Raiders have two more wins than them now since Tom
Brady left, like and you look at all the other
teams that are wrote about this in the Washington Post
last week. Look go back to twenty twenty. Look at
all the teams from most wins to fewest. Everybody behind
Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. All the only like seven
teams behind them have all already fired their coach since then.
Most of those teams have fired multiple coaches since then.
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So this is heading in a particular direction for those
two men.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And they won't be back next year as we look
at they'll be out the door. But one guy looks
like he's sticking around. Kyler Murray, I mean, we've all
seen the reverse scramble, sprint for your life, first down
pick up, He's back. James Connor came back. So suddenly, hey,
they're tanking and they're going to I'll find a new quarterback. No, now,
it looks like a full rebuild around Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Right, move with that.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I wouldn't get carried away with that. I mean, Atlanta
is a flawed team. Atlanta's quarterbacks didn't combine for one
hundred yards passing in that game, and it took a
last second field goal to win at home, and they
weren't a prolific passing team themselves. I mean, Murray made
a couple of big plays scrambling, but it's you know,
he had Hollywood Brown wants early for like twenty nine yards.
(25:28):
But and I get it if it is only his
first game back. But I wouldn't get too carried away
with any of those narratives. Yet. Let's see if he
even stays healthy between now and the end of the year.
Let's see how you know he plays, and let's see
what it's all going to just come down to what
Bidwell wants to do, and if the perfect storm for
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them would probably be that he plays well enough that
you can move off them, and that they pick high
enough that they can get someone younger, cheaper and potentially better.
There's there's been a lot of I mean, remember the
press releases and stuff. I mean, you know, Trent forcing him,
you know, to study his playbook more like that. Stuff
doesn't go away, it doesn't get erased, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So if you're not believing in Kyler Murray, we watched
the forty nine ers yesterday. Get everybody healthy. The first
Bosa Young game turned out to be pretty well for you.
Are they back? Did they just hit lightning in a bottle?
What is it? No?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I mean, I look, I mean that that you're talking
about adding guys who were, you know, among the best
of breed at what they do it offensively begins and
ends with Trent Williams. I mean that is their everything.
What they can do in the run game with him,
how effective they start running outside and now the play
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action is available everywhere and the quarterback can sling it
in the pocket and out of the pocket. I mean,
Trent Williams is far and away the guy who makes
their DVOA go. Their overall offensive efficiency, everything the run
and the path whole kit and kaboodle, and again if
he's if he's healthy, from here on out, they're gonna
(27:06):
be in pretty good shape, even if you know a
few guys here and there go down offensively and then defensively.
They obviously feasted, and the Ohio State, you know, reunion
bookend thing there looked pretty damn good, and their D
line had been there underbelly. They were bad against the run,
and they weren't generating the kind of pressure rates that
you're accustomed to from them. So we'll see if if
(27:30):
they fixed it. But yeah, if that's the group, if
that roster that played that game in Jacksonville is you know,
among the game day active for their playoff games, then
they're gonna be pretty damn formidable again, especially if Trent
Williams is among them.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, I'd like to go on the other side of that,
but that's gonna take like an hour to break down
what's going on with Jacksonville. So let's stick with Ohio States.
Yalli CJ. Stroud now thirty to one for the MVP,
and it looks like they can chase down Jacksonville here
in the South.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting week here I think
that they'll take care of business and wipe up Arizona
at home. I guess it could be a letdown spot
for them, but I'm not sure they've accomplished enough to
have those yet. And I really believe in what Demico
Ryans has them doing. And yeh, Stroud's been phenomenal for
him to go on the road and outduel Joe Burrow
(28:24):
facing a really good, proven playoff defense and having to
sort of comeback and overcome fumbles and that interception was massive.
And I know what he can do against teams that
blitz him like crazy because they think he's a young
quarterback and we can rattle him. But the way that
the Bengals mix up their ZWN coverages and they're not
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a big blitz team, and for him to put up
that kind of performance against them on the road was
really huge for me. So yeah, I don't know about MVP,
but he's obviously going to run away with Rookie of
the Year and he is the real deal. And we'll see,
you know, we'll see about the Jags. I think this
will be a get right spot for the Jags against
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the Titans Tennessee on the road. I mean not that
they're good, period, but Tennessee on the road is absolutely
the dregs, you know, and Will Levis has a ways
to go, and that's becoming a parent. I mean him
coming in playing one home game and then what like
this will be his third straight road game. I think
that's gonna be a tough stretch for him. And I
don't know that they'll chase Jacksonville down, but it's certainly
(29:30):
not out of question.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He's on Twitter at Jason lock and For that is
at Jason lock and for check him out on Odissey
Washington Post as well. Jay is always buddy appreciating man.
We'll talk to you next week. I thought.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Pleasure, gentlemen, enjoy the rest of the game. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
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Quick update from the game. The Bills were driving, had
the ball at midfield and then a botched handoff between
Josh Allen and James Cook. The Broncos recover, However, it
looks like they're gonna get stopped, have to punt it away.
Looked like Josh Allen kind of lost to handle the
(30:27):
ball a little bit. It Yeah, and recovered by the Broncos,
and again the damage is minimized because it will be
punting back to the Bills here when we begin the
fourth one.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, James Cook, we didn't move his hands good like
he gave you the frame of here's why I want
the ball, and the ball wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So we'll have more on this fifteen fifteen. But straight ahead,
you want to know what is, without a doubt, the
best story of the NFL this season, the player who
is the best story, and it's just gonna get even better.
That's coming up now right here, Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
This is the new Beatles song, right? This is this
is our last song? Right, this is a new one.
It's a good song.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean it's got a great message. Yeah, message of
piece and positivity.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What did they released this song earlier?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
This is a good song.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Really would have had some traction to it, No question
about beat to it and everything else. Are you gonna
say you can really bug out to it while you're
at it.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Jason, you know who this song doesn't work for?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Who?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Doesn't it work for the Jets? Nothing works for the Jets.
Can work it out, Nothing works for the Jets. Fox
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and save at Progressive dot Com. Early in the fourth quarter.
The bills are just punted to the Broncos. Broncos have
it near Midfield and is fifteen fifteen UH bills four
turnovers tonight have enabled this one to maintain a tie
with the three and five Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, right now, you're you're feeling pretty good. That buffalo
is gonna keep giving you chances. If you bet the
Broncos plus the eight, you're feeling pretty good right now,
you're probably feeling all right, feeling pretty good. Although everybody
goes for two anymore and random places. So there's the
Bills were to score again, they'd go for two. No,
they have they have the math that says on this works,
(32:38):
this is why it should work. Just look listen, let
me just just just listen. Just you want to go,
just go, just go. Ask Lincoln Riley. Listen, you're going
out logic, Lincoln Riley. And then and then ask James Franklin.
Going for two works? Or can we know we know
when to go for two? Always always works?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You want to talk about because we got to get
to the Jets in a few minutes, so let's talk
about their you did, but we got to talking about
people need to be fired. But you want to talk
about the best story in the NFL this year that
I even bigger bold prediction for you last week after
the debut for Josh Dobbs with the Vikings. We said
(33:19):
he's gonna win some people some fantasy championships this year
because he's gonna run the football. We know he's gonna
throw it well enough, but the Vikings can't run the
football at all. He's gonna be the guy that winds
up being their leading rusher out of the backfield. Guess
what happened when he came in to win the game
a week ago. Happened yesterday? You know, forty yards in
a touchdown? Right, they win the game being an underdog
(33:42):
against a pretty good defense. And I'll tell you this much,
Josh Dobbs is gonna play his way into being the
longest term answer at quarterback for the Vikings. He's this
year's Geno Smith, where after years of bouncing around being
a backup, finally through crazy confluence of circumstances which made
(34:03):
him go to the to the Cardinals who then said, no,
we can't have you on the team anymore. And now
he's quarterbacking the Vikings who are gonna contend for a
playoff Berth. He's going to play well because you know why,
because he's smart and he and he can make plays athletic,
smart quarterback. But I like is he knows when to
make plays with his legs. He knows when to put
(34:24):
pressure on the defense, and when to take the football
and go with it, and when to stay in the
pocket and throw. It's really impressive. And if you didn't
think he was going to be good after jumping in
that first week, well there's no other evidence you need.
The guy coming in without any practice can bring a
team from behind him win a game. Josh Dobbs is
going to play his way into a two or three
year deal worth a lot of money to be the
Vikings quarterback. Doesn't mean the Vikings aren't going to take
(34:45):
a quarterback after this year, but it's gonna be Hey,
Kirk Cousins, see you later, you go somewhere else. Josh
Dobb's gonna get a nice two or three year deal
for fifty million sixty is something like that, more money
than he's ever made in the NFL. They'll still draft
a quarterback, say just in case Josh Dobbs turns back
into Josh Dobbs. But he works with what we're doing
and it's an exciting level of the team. We can't
run the ball. He seemed to fix that. So now
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we'd have to worry about drafting a running back as
much because we have a quarterback that could run the ball.
He's gonna be this year's Geno Smith, and he's gonna
get a long term deal, and he's gonna be the
Vikings quarterback the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
He played pretty well in Arizona with a team devoid
of talent. Right, you thought you had zach Ertz, but
he couldn't stay healthy. He was on the shelf. James
Connor was out with an injury, so he was persevering.
You had wide receiving core was Hollywood Brown, who was
on again, off again, and.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Your number two Michael Wilson, the rookie.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
He's got twenty eight catches on the year, but hasn't
quite flashed with the regularity that you'd hope for a
high draft pick. So yeah, making making the most obviously
not winning games, but keeping it competitive. They did have
that big stunner against Dallas with him under center. And yeah,
at this point in his career, Kirk Cousins coming off
another big injury. Here, he's gonna go into the open marketplace.
(36:02):
See you if I'm the Vikings. I got Justin Jefferson,
who's all excited. I mean they've won five in a
row without him. But Hockinson labored through the game yesterday. Yeah,
kJ Osbern didn't play. I mean, you had a bunch
of component parts that were missing or less than gunning
it out, and you come away with a big wins.
(36:22):
So yeah, they're propelled and and look like they're in
a pretty good spot to claim a playoff spot. And
for Josh Doobbs, look, even if you're you're not gonna
have to pay him the exorbitant rate, right, You're not
gonna have to pay him top of market.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And more importantly, TJ clearly it was a shot in
the dark for Osborne to play yesterday he did.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I really thought you were gonna go Dobby here or
something with the playoff Dobbs.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Look, he's gonna be he's got socks or something something.
They give him a sock. He can stay because he
was looking for a jersey. Why don't you make my
jersey of he Don the Vikings. Make my jump Don
Vikings quarterback next couple of years. He's gonna make a
lot of money. And the best story in the NFL
is gonna get even better, Josh Dobbs, everybody uh. Coming
(37:10):
up next, We got more from Monday Night football and
something I gonna say even though I don't really want to.
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Cleveland's good.
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