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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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with you, man, It's.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Good to have you in.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
It is just a normal NBA night as you can see,
no extra special courts or chaos. We get that again
tomorrow early afternoon, so we'll get into that and the
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(01:41):
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Brian Billick stops by talking all things NFL with us
here in about fifteen minutes. But carry we start as
we look at this NBA regular Wednesday night, the calm
before the storm, the tournament finales, as we're getting ready

(02:02):
to wrap it up right down to the final four,
and all of that. Last night we were entertained as
hell Smith and I sitting here watching that Lakers Suns
game and controversy at the end. Decide whether you like
the Austin Reeves pin the ball against my leg long
enough that that constitutes possession. I do like that he
looks like someone who's having his lunch money taken, Like

(02:25):
the facial expression and all of these snapshots that started
making the rounds like that, pained, exasperated looking in the background,
you kind of see the hazy, grainy image an outline
of Lebron James. But what I loved about it ending,
notwithstanding all the turnovers Kevin Durant talked about it was

(02:45):
that it had exactly what the NBA wanted in that
playoff atmosphere. And you're seeing it a little bit in
these games tonight, some hotly contested, some let's face it,
not so much. We're watching the Bulls actually have a
sixteen point lead midway through the fourth quarter. I had
I took my glasses off, put him back on three
different times, expecting to see something different, wondering if I

(03:09):
had something else going on with the eyesight. Yeah, with
the way the Bulls have played to this point, but
you know, there's always going to be a lesser than
team or the lesser than effort. But when it came
to the tournament, as as it broke down and Joannison
and tennecoupo after the the Bucks vanquished the knicks. You know,

(03:29):
one of the questions, you know, Vegas and all this stuff,
and joking about the one hundred thousand dollars that he
was guaranteed to walk away from this tournament with, and
he played the awe shucks card of really, oh wow,
how about that? Do you buy for a second? You're
a guy, I mean, and folks can google it. I mean,
look at snow secrets. You you were successful in your

(03:49):
National Football League career. It did well two times pro
you know, all pros and Pro Bowls and all of
those things. And with that comes you know, a giant
novelty check along the way. You knew where the one
hundred thousand dollars were. Nobody was slipping that pass you,
Oh wow, how about that?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
What was that for?

Speaker 5 (04:09):
No, you definitely know where that extra money is coming
in that we knew that every playoff game, every playoff win,
there was an extra check involved in there. So a
lot of those things that people don't know about that,
you know, the common fan may not know those playoff games.
The deeper you go in the playoffs, you get checks
as well. So yes, he's aware of it. If you
know Jannis, and you know Jannis from his press conferences.

(04:33):
You know, he's a jokester. Yeah, he likes to play
around a lot. He likes to test to see if
you're really up on his on his game, and so
I think a lot of that goes into what he
probably said the other night, And so he definitely knows,
and the teams are aware, and even like the Lakers,
they've been very openly talking about really wanting to win this.
And you've had other teams that have been openly saying that,

(04:54):
you know, our payroll may not be as big as others,
and so we want to get these guys that don't
make the money that we may as superstars, possibly we
want to get them some money as well. So, yes,
he knew, But talking about the tournament and as a whole,
obviously it's what it's. It's doing what it's supposed to do, right,
and the teams that are in it, you know, the

(05:15):
team the four teams that are left right now, you
got you got the Bucks, you got the Lakers, and
you know those are two teams that are possibly teams
that coming into the year people thought would have a
chance to be in the finals. Right, so you kind
of get a preview of that you also get a
preview of what that energy trying to ramp up the
energy looks like for the NBA, and right now I

(05:38):
got to say it's it's looking pretty good.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, I think one of the big things that flows
to it. And Giannis's other quote was it, well, the
rich get richer, you know, kind of joking about it
and having fun with it. Yeah, but look another one
hundred thousand dollars. Nobody's sneezing at it. But uh, there's
that incentive of being.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
The first to win.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
He said that.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, one of these tournament, whether it's Giannis or any
of the players still participating, Lebron talking all about beating
back and given the first loss to Father Time. It's cute,
it's fun, but it's motivation. And let's face it, if
this carries off to the satisfaction of the league offices,
all of those guys could go load management for a

(06:19):
month and nobody's gonna care. They could disappear until Christmas
Day at this point and nobody's gonna say a word why,
because they put on a show. What you've seen from Lebron,
James and Anthony Davis, what you see on the other side,
you mentioned the Bucks. You've got the Pelicans in the mix,
so a little bit of the Zion Williamson, like we've

(06:40):
seen some highlights from him through all this process. And
then you've got the Pacers and up the coming team. Right,
they're a fun team to watch. You got a couple
of young stars on that squad that this is an
opportunity get a little bit of a push there as well.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
But we're talking.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
About the NBA at the end of November December, and
even if the opening to the tournament was just people
got to cracking wise about the blood red courts, Like
I still have a problem with the fact that they're
slipping all over the place, and you watch that in
all of these games, like we saw a couple of
even in that Lakers Suns a game like all right,
his pivot foot just moved like four foot and it

(07:18):
seems like everybody's just kind of stipulated to the fact
that there's problems with this court. So we're not even
gonna call it, but it's just that that intensity as
this thing started getting to these final throws that make
us talk about the actual basketball, right, we're talking about
Lebron James and the numbers he's putting up the effort

(07:38):
that he's putting in, and all of these guys when
November early December is usually yeah, we're still working out
rotations well still, and look, the Lakers still have a
lot of work to do, right They've had a lot
of injury issues, a lot of additions from the offseason,
and you've seen guys play well, you know in spurts.
Ruey Hachimura finally came back yesterday, but they're being cautious

(08:00):
about his minutes since he had a facial injury and
things of that nature. But we're talking about the NBA
when it's normally all about the NFL at this point.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
I mean, you can actually see it because even the
way the coaches are coaching right there, they're actually tightening
their rotations like playoff games, and so you know, it's
I guess if Adam Silva's in the room right now
with us and we were having a conversation about what
was the intent of this. Obviously there's there's competition with

(08:32):
other sports and trying to garner revenue from that from
those sports.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
That's that's a that's a given. But when you talk.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
About guys showing up, showing playing hard, trying to win something,
and the fans are actually taking notice of that. I
mean I would think this is a slam dunk right now.

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(09:10):
only fear, these home crowds, the ravenous, you know, rabid
fans that you saw because I mean look here in
Los Angeles at the at Crypto dot com or whatever
we're calling it this week is you know, you've got
the naming and the parent company having their issues, but
you know, the streamers came down. That crowd was insane.

(09:31):
It was right, the stars showed out like all of
those things. And now you move to Vegas and look,
we'll probably still get our share of stars. Yeah, but
in terms of filling an arena and getting that level
of intensity for these two matchups that's the question. How
many people did the caravan like they were in mad
Max Fury Road and started driving as a pack to

(09:54):
the desert to watch some Laker basketball.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Well, the lake, I think the Lakers. The Lakers have
they add the advantage here, right, I mean, it's a
it's a short it's a shorter trip.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
The other teams will have to mike really migraint over
Mi Grant over there that way. And so yes, the
fan the Rabbit fans won't be there, but there the
stands will be full, and the celebrities will be there
just because of I'm sure some of them will be
paid to come out as well, so you know it
will be packed.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Take care of all this show up and it's a song. Yeah,
I don't know who the halftime entertainment though, is I mean,
there's got to be something.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Is there a big, big production going on?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Okay, I got to assume you get it's all stops.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I could see, Like, I mean, if you're really gonna
sell it as this grand event.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Well, we want to be a grand event, but we
also want to be based around the basketball, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So there's a lot of butts and seats to then
sit and watch the basketball.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
See I mean yeah, I mean I guess to get
some gets some of those people off the crap table
at two o'clock is going to be a little issue.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
So well, if you're at a crafts table at two
in the afternoon, yeahs out there. No, no, hey, I'm
not I'm not discounting though, I'm just saying, you know,
if they're at the at the craps table at two pm,
that's that's that's there for life.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
But you know what that means.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
They've probably lost the night before, so they're trying to
get it back or.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's the degeneracy is not going to stop to go
watch a basketball game.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
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over the course of the night. With some of the
craziness that had been uttered on these airwaves during our
decade together here at Fox Sports Radio. Something you and
I were talking about a little bit off air. Will
bring coach Billick on in just a couple of minutes,
where we're gonna effort him here in just a just

(14:15):
a minute. But to get the conversation started. The New
York Football Jets, they're turning back to Zach Wilson. Robert
Salid does his best sell, sell, sell job, which is
I mean, which is what he needs to do at
this point, based on all of the rumor, conjecture, speculation,
and reporting that from Diana Rossini among others, that Zach

(14:37):
Wilson wasn't feeling whether he should go back in you
know some of the I fear for my personal safety
kind of kind of rhetoric, and that's what they're standing by.
The reporting that multiple people in the locker room had
the the same kind of analysis of he's a guy saying,
I he feels a bit skittish is the wrong word,

(15:01):
but a little bit of trepidation, but knowing that he's
probably almost certainly not gonna be a Jet next year,
trying to put whatever was good on tape and not
leave a lasting bad impression and of course the potential
for injury behind a porous offensive line. And I thought

(15:23):
it was interesting that the starter Tim Boyle was released
after that report came out. I'll let y'all do the
connected but the yeah, you know, the late great peewe Herman,
of course. But so now it's Zach Wilson and he
gets up there. Yeah, I'm excited to get out there
and do all that.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
Which what the hell else is he gonna say? Right?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I mean, it's it's a bunch of game of charades,
and that Aaron Rodgers is over in the corner going, well,
they've really made a mess of all this now, haven't they.
So whoever the leak is, you know, we can theorize
based on roster moves or the people internally whatever, like
I argued yesterday, And I would love for you to
tell me if I'm anywhere close on this. At some

(16:06):
point he got to look in the mirror and realize
he did a lot of this damage. Hacket, the wide
receiving room, all of those things. Those are all Aaron
Rodgers and Joe Juggles had to sign the checks. But
it's all Aaron Rodgers led to get him to New
York and giving him far more power than perhaps he
should have been given a.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
M when you when we sit here today, obviously you
can make that claim, and you can you will be correct, right.
He just played with Alan Lazar last year and Alan
Lazar played well. This Allen Lazard that's playing for the
Jets is not the same guy you.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Look you want to play football.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
It's terrible. It looks bad, right, So I think you
go into this because that.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Ain't all Zach Wilson, because people want to bury him
at every turn though, like suddenly he turned these guys,
you know, into pumpkins.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I've been telling people on Twitter. I've been having battles
for Zach Wilson. I still believe in the kid. I
don't think he's as bad as people think. And so
I mean, obviously we saw that by you putting the
other quarterbacks in the game, and they look just as bad.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
Right.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
So I look at this team. I look at their
skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. They
only have two playmakers. Dalvin Cook's not the same, Allan
Lazar is not the same. Conkland's decent, But you're only
two guys that can really play football at a really
good level. I won't even say elite is Garrett Wilson
and Breeze Hall because we haven't seen them consistently, consistently

(17:36):
be able to put put up the numbers to be
put in elite categories. So you got two guys that
are playing decent, you got an offensive line that has
been one of the worst I've ever seen, and then
you expect a kid that was coming off a year
that was really bad coming into this year is supposedly,
you know, to learn under Aaron Rodgers and get his
confidence and then be ready for the next year. To

(17:59):
be thrown into that fire behind all of that and
expect him to flourish was just terribly wrong. So I
took a lot of the blame off of Zach Wilson
as I've seen these games. But going back to the leak,
in that situation, it is such a bad It's such
a bad place when you have teammates that are giving

(18:21):
information to the media and to the public that's supposed
to be kept in house. Now with all the podcasts
and all the things and all the stuff that we
have to get those things out now, it's kind of
hard to keep them under Rapp.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
So that's it, right, It's great.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Somebody
talks at all. And my theory on it was that
you had a bunch of guys in the locker room
and he was just being real with him, whether it's
the quarterback room, whether it's the offense together whatever, that
he was just you know, kind of popping off, just like, man,
this is it's tough, and just kind of venting a

(18:55):
little bit having a human moment with his guys. Yes,
but especially once you've already got you know, so many
things swirling about of the team, you know what I mean,
Like there's so many negative stories and rogers going on
McAfee every week. Doesn't help because you got to address it, right,
you're not just talking the NFL. It obviously starts with, well,

(19:18):
you got hurt and here's what's left, so let's talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
And it's crazy because I there was so so much
enthusiasm going into the season, right, and I sit here
now and if Aaron Rodgers was playing, they wouldn't be winning, Like.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Would he still be upright at this point?

Speaker 6 (19:36):
No?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Right, he wouldn't have survived behind that offensive line.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
It was almost like a blessing in it was almost
like a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Tell you, I mean its freaking injury and obviously, look
I wish no Ill will on it. But I still
have a bottle of champagne. I never even popped it
because he got hurt right away. I needed to see
him play for the Jets. That was the whole thing.
I needed to see him actually take a snap that night,
and the idea was I was gonna pop the bottle
of champagne because he was finally out of the NFC
North and the Packers whatever they had with Jordan Love

(20:06):
and we could talk about him later.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
He's coming on.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Hey, I picked them to win the division before the year.
I thought they'd be just fine. Now are they doing
it the way I thought they would?

Speaker 7 (20:15):
Know?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
The run game has been a knee nick at best, right,
Dylan and Jones have not been a factor, But would
you believe they're scoring? Defense is top ten in the
National Football League. They were on the periphery for a
couple of weeks. Now they're playing better. Back in You're
getting a little bit more in terms of the turnovers
and force passes. Right, get the ball out fast, three yards,

(20:38):
five yard routes instead of eight yard routes, and all
of a sudden on the offensive side, they got four
straight games of at least three hundred and seventy five
yards of offense. They hadn't done that in a decade. Wow,
twenty thirteen was the last time they had a streak
like that.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
And I have one more thing about that.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
In the offense, Jordan Love is eight touchdowns and zero
interceptions and that's been.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
As well clean.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Now, the Watson injury going into this week's game, a
little concerning that he goes down, but you look at
Romeo Dobbs, you'd already lost your rookie tight end. So
trying to figure out the pieces going forward, right, Jadeen
Reed has been fantastic and they're using him in myriad ways,
trying to just activate that offense. And you saw some
better runs from from aj Dillon this past week, some

(21:25):
explosiveness in that win over case. But I guess the
point though with the Jets right. Brese Hall, Garrett Wilson,
Dan Byer and I do the iWatch of Flex podcast
last week our Wednesday, we normally pick a larger topic
wrap our arms around it. We went through the list
of teams that for fantasy purposes you would have started
either one or zero players. Not I've got two wide outs,

(21:48):
a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
No, no, no. A lot of teams.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
We got to double digits of teams where you would
start one guy or you could argue none. For the Jets,
I argued, I wouldn't even start those two guys with
confident at this point in a standard league.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah, No, there's no way you could.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, it's it's it's a different world.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
And obviously Rogers injury derailed a lot of things, but
it exposed a lot of the rest of it, right
Robert Salah in terms of leadership or being able to
hold things together. That every time he gets in front
of a podium, I kick my feet up, going, what's
he gonna give you this week?

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, and it's because of obviously the pressure of the
of New York media, Right, Yeah, I was a part
of that.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
I know that they pull the but how much.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Prep do they get, Like, I mean, there's got to
be someone in his ear saying, here are the ten
questions you're probably gonna get for sure, So let's let's
have something. And that's the thing that baffles me with
a lot of these coaches carry is that they get
up there and it's like nobody's spent five minutes anticipating.
Even in a postgame, you got a cooling off period.
You don't have to walk straight into.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
That room, right all right?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
You know, all right, your decisions on fourth down that
went awry or gonna get called on. You can know
that this coverage defensively, maybe a breakdown miscommunication here is
going to be called. Like all those things seem pretty
elementary to walk in, and yet these guys walk into
these pressers and it's like they're absolutely shocked that those

(23:18):
are the questions they're being asked.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, I think you know what. They're humans, right, Mike.
So we have that, we do have the cool and
off period, But then you're like reminded of the grief
you just went through. Sure right away, So it's still
like a soft spot there.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, I get it.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
But but just like when you start then fumbling or
you try to dismiss it, right. We had famously a
couple of weeks ago, Brandon Staley when someone asked him
about calling the defense.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
I'm calling the defense.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And now you can look at the last two weeks
and people are like, oh, they're on an upward trend.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
It's like they played the page. Yeah, like I think you.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Me and nine guys I assemble from Madden playing can
probably And I don't talk about players and characters. I'm
talking guys with headsets on actually running through the plays
might might do okay against that Patriots offense.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Right now, Mike, I'm not I'm not agreeing with you
on that one, No, sir, It is hard.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Obviously hyper but the but the point, But the point
is that, I mean, you want to talk about a
broken offense, and part of it could be the genius
of Bill Belichick of hey, we can actually get a
top five pickup in this joint.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
We got a good defense. Yeah, he's not too mad
about losing at the moment, you can. Yeah, he's just
going through the process.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
There's a recognition of it right at some point, very
early in the season, Like when do you know that
things are going to go awry?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
And I'm not just saying this because you played for
the Jets.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Oh that's a that's a low blow on some of
the high points I was That's that's what I was about.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Took the CV look at the.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
History exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
You know what you know early you I mean, you
know as early as training camp, right, if you have
what it takes to be good or bad.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
But but I mean, but where's where's that I guess
dividing point that line of De Marques, We're like, all right,
we might fight for a playoff spot versus we got
no chance, or we may have a squad that, if
things go right, maybe we need one guy here in
the season or something to break right, we can actually
compete for the conference.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Well, it's that's an interesting question because I my in
two thousand and six, we were coming off my rookie year.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
No.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Five. We okay, so the Jets and No.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Four made it the AFC, I think the championship game
against Pittsburgh and lost by a field goal. Came back
with that same squad No. Five, and we just you know,
very seasoned, very well constructed, you know, Chad Pennington, Curtis Martin,
Wayne Corbett, Labernia's Coles defense legit, I mean, like Kevin Mawai,

(25:54):
like Hall of famers. So we came into the year,
my rookie year. I was like, oh, we're gonna be
really good and we got this. You go into training camp,
you start, you know, a few injury, a few injuries
here and there. During the season, literally every week a
big name person was just falling off. So we ended
up that following year being four and twelve. So my

(26:16):
rookie year bad. And so you go into the year
thinking that, you know, we got what it takes to
win it all, like we really thought we.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Had a really good time right on the doorstep. Yeah,
all these veterans, that's it. I'm coming in this big
step from.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Coming into the rookie. I'm a starter.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
I'm gonna come in and yeah, I'm gonna definitely elevate
the defense. Right, no, wrong, four and twelve. And so
then you come to next year, you fire your head coach, Herr.
Milwarck's gone, you got a new coach, you got Mangini
coming in. You got some of the same players, but
now you've got Curtis Martin he retires, Chad Pennington's coming
off as a shoulder injury. So now you got to
rework all these things. So you talk about each year

(26:53):
being different. We're coming to the year just trying to
put it together. And so you know, we start off
like we think we wanted to first couple we won,
the first game, we lost.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
We end up like two and two.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
In the beginning, they were like, all right, we got okay, team,
we can keep keep getting better.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
We lose to in a row.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Now we're under five hundred, right, So now it's at
that point where you say, all right, what are what
are we really sure? We had guys that really cared
about it and wanted to win, and so you kind
of see those people and you see that mentality on
some teams, and some teams you see they're just worried
about themselves and worry about the checks and just out
here playing. So that's how it really that's how you

(27:34):
really figure it out because you get to see who
you're going to war with and see who it really
matters with. And that's where the where like, okay, we're
going to double down and we're gonna win. We went
on the run, made the playoffs, we didn't win the division,
but made the playoffs the next year after four and twelve,
essentially the same team with a few pieces sprinkled in.
So it just depends on who you have in that
locker room.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
A couple of tweaks, a little better luck because the
injury gods went and afflicted, so somebody else. That's It
seems like these NFL seasons, the last four or five,
it's been the same handful of teams that have had
to deal with that, which is curious, right. I Mean,
you have the exorcism of some demons with the Chargers,

(28:15):
but it hasn't resulted in great play. Right, Bosa's out,
but most of the principles that have missed time. I mean,
Mike Williams out once again, thinking Quintin Johnston was going
to step into his role, but there are moments whereby
he's catching nothing right. I mean, we remember the big
drop that defined the game and a couple others as well,

(28:38):
and that was another Brandon Staley bad moment in because
he not only did you call him out, you went
after Keenan Allen Pean Allen, who you're just celebrating going
over ten thousand career yards and you're calling out his hands.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Now he was he guilty that day? Yeah, But you.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Know, I don't know how great that is for a
locker room guys that have been carrying while your defense
is trying to get right. The defense you're calling right, right,
the defense that you're calling is trying to get right
and actually get off the field that you're gonna go
and call them all them out. Yeah, you know, man,
that's that is not the best for locker room, because

(29:16):
this is the point in the year where we see
all the cracks, like everything is laid bare in these
final five weeks as teams either are one, two three,
can coun or hoping. Look, because the playoff picture is messy,
and we'll get into that coming up in about ten
minutes here, you know, especially the the ANFC NFC. Look,
my my Bears and the New York Football Giants are

(29:38):
back on the in the hunt graphic that they put
at four and eight, they're only two games out of
the playoffs. I don't know what that says about. Well,
you know, my opportunity knocks carry roads. We'll talk about
that as we continue here live from the Tyraq dot
Com Studios. That's coming up next, but first let's kick

(29:59):
it over to Brian Fenley. Plenty of NBA action, the
meaning of life, all those discussions we normally have be fed.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
What's up, Hey, what's going on, Carrie, what's going on?

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Mike? Don't forget that Chargers team a few years ago
when they were in San Diego. They were four and
eight and then they won the last four games. They
got into the playoffs at eight and eight, And I
know there's seventeen games now, Mike, but I'm feeling for you.
I think you guys, might you know maybe it's.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
One of those where you hit that point where you
either want the rails to completely come off, yeah, or
you actually make a run and if you fall just short,
at least you could say, all right, they rallied around
whatever point, whether it's fields, whether it's eber flus, whatever,
that there's some cohesion there as opposed to it blowing up.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Do you feel that can be a rallying cry for them,
similar to like the Detroit Lions story, Right, they won
their last five in a row or six to end
last season, didn't make the playoffs. No, they lost the
last one, so they didn't make the playoffs, but came
back the next year ready to go. I think that
can rally behind eber flues like that.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, and then you start looking at the draft and
what you may be able to do. We've got a
mock draft that I saw earlier that there's a data
point in that that I want to pick your brain on.
But yeah, you'll you look, as long as Carolina doesn't
suddenly right the ship, you know, and start Andy Dalton,
maybe win a game or two to screw it up,
they're gonna be the number Do you like what I
did there? I'm not gonna have the number one pick.

(31:22):
Let's go, Brian, what do you got?

Speaker 8 (31:23):
And in regards to if they had a mocked NBA
draft to most likely number one would be the Pistons.
And they lost their nineteenth game of the season. Guys,
they are two and nineteen on the year. They had
a lead, They had a lead, but that doesn't count
when it's in the second quarter and they lose one
sixteen to one oh two to the Grizzlies behind forty
nine points from Desmond Bean, a fifty burger fifty points

(31:47):
from dwell embiid As. The seventy six ers come back
and win against the Wizards one thirty one to one
twenty six. They're not much better the Whiz three and
seventeen through twenty games for them. The Heat triumphant a
one to twelve, one oh three beat down against the Raptors.
Caleb Martin twenty four points and twelve rebounds to his name.
The Nets squeak past the Hawks fe fourteen to one,

(32:07):
thirteen thirty points in nine assists in losing effort for
Trey Young. As Atlanta loses at home, the timberwl Was
are victorious at home with a one oh two ninety
four victory against the Spurs, who are quietly three and seventeen.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
On the year. What can you be quietly through? I
know as I said that I was.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Tournament going on. Nobody's paying attention to that.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
That is true.

Speaker 8 (32:32):
The Bulls with a win. Mike's happy about this. One
eleven to one ten against the Hornets. The Rockets stand
up the Thunder one ten to oneh one. Aaron Holiday
had twenty two points and six rebounds to his name.
Just a few games that are going on right now,
including the Mavericks. This is not even fair. One hundred
and forty three to ninety two guys against the Gyms

(32:55):
are right.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I didn't have them put that game on for you.
Carry the reason you.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Don't want me to the bask and the glow of
my Mavericks demolisson is that team?

Speaker 8 (33:06):
No?

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Okay, well, you.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Might have liked this Carrie because Luka donca chat a
triple double.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
In just the first half to half.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
Yeah, forty points, cent assists and ten rebounds. And lastly,
guys were looking at what's happening at Crypto dot com
Arena where the Nuggets are in front thirty six to
twenty one against the Clips show Russell Westbrook has four points.
But as they get it back to Mike Carmon and
Carry Rhodes, get back to me on the number of
turnovers because they might be more than the number of points.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Hope not. But for Russell Western might be a little
foreshadowing going on. Yes, that's what you.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Call a tease here in the radio business, no question
about it. Brian Fenley find him on Twitter at appropriately
Brian Fenley, b r y A n FBN l E
Y Carrie Roads with me at Carrie twenty five Roads.
Find me over at Swollen Dome. Will continue with a

(34:00):
look into our playoff picture Murky as it is sitting
here in the Fox Sports Radio studios, we'll pull off
the crystal ball see if we can't get some clarity.
I'll do my usual anger about the way the schedule
sets up for some of these teams down the stretch
and all of that. We're just getting warmed up and
we're celebrating Kobe White, Kendall Gill, Yeah, and the fun

(34:23):
and excitement of Will Purdue in this Bulls post game
victory celebration that Kendall Gill had is hot.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Did you see the glasses? Yeah, in the studio. Well,
you know what, that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, maybe he forgot his other ones that was supposed
to be inside, or maybe he wanted me on national
radio to give him a nod.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Yeah, prescription their prescription.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I have prescription sunglass, So I mean sometimes you just
don't want to carry a second set of glasses.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
That was like, it was a look because he looks
sharp too. He's got the nice suit on. He took
the hat off, and he took the glasses off.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
All right, before we break, we have some breaking news,
something that's been rumored all day. Watch.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
Yeah, there were some mixed signals.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
Guys, Is it happening? Is it not?

Speaker 8 (35:09):
Are all the trade deals each side? Transaction? Is everything
in order? And according to Joel Sherman, who is one
of the big insiders in Major League Baseball, he is
reporting that the trade between the Yankees and the Padres
is done. San Diego is going to be sending Jue
Soto in Trent Grisham to New York. The teams will
make it official, according to him, some time tonight.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
There it has it.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yes, you've been waiting for it all day, and obviously
Carrie has the arm up celebrating on we'll break down
the trade. Coming up next, we'll push the NFL playoff
talk because there are five weeks left in the season.
We got a trade, we actually got activity, we got
water meetings, and we got that.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Coming up next, the Yankees back to being the Yankees.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Who knew.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Be Catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Welcome back here Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon.
No Jason tonight, Carrie Rhodes in his stead. So I
have a list of thirty seven Jets questions to ask you,
just kidding. We'll get back into them a little bit
later as it relates to the NFL at large, because
suddenly top ten pick, we're starting to see, you know,
the draft order start to come together. But we talked

(36:30):
about it before the break, had Brian Fenley. Come on,
we actually have the consummation of a deal coming out
of the Winter meetings in Nashville. On our AM five
seventy affiliate. Yesterday the big blow torch here in Los Angeles,
they actually did Dodger Talk live from Brad Paisley's farm. Wow,
it's a good time, a little bit of Brad Paisley love,

(36:51):
big Dodger fan, big fan of his work. But the
question was coming out of the meetings, as everybody started
scurrying to the airport to try to make flights, was
all we were gonna get a an Alex verdugo to
the Yankees? Trade right, big trade Yankees and Red Sox,

(37:12):
cats and dogs, ye living together in harmony. Instead, we
now have Juan Soto and Trent Grisham heading to the Yankees,
and dare I say, the Yankees looking like the Yankees
and make it the big swing? Obviously you now have
to make a big deal to extend soda, and we
know that's the price of poker is north of four
in a million dollars. But given the issues that the

(37:34):
Padres have had, the you know, the timing passing of
the owner, the talk of the local TV revenues and
the loan that had to be taken out. A lot
going on, So the idea of divestiture where Blake Snell
goes next, who knows, but for the Yankees to go
and follow up this move after with this move, after

(37:57):
the trade for Verdugo, You're obviously grinning from ear to
ear looking for the rise of the evil empire once again.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Yes, you know what, this is part of the course
for you know, the Yankees and my time really being
around the organization, and even when I was in New York,
I literally had my own suite there, so i used
to be there a lot, and so I'm used to
them taking big swings to bring in stars and bring
in players that can you know, swing them in the

(38:27):
direction that you know, we're used to seeing them being
in that driver's seat, being in that playoff chase, being
in the chase for winning the ring. And so to
go out and take a swing like that and finally
connect on one, it's beautiful. I mean, this team has
been such a disappointment the last couple of years. Even
you know, it's not even about playoffs when it comes

(38:48):
to the Yankees. You know that it's about winning the rings.
And so this is one of those moves that gives
gives us a chance to do that well.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And that's one of the biggest thing that we've talked about,
Jason and I quite a bit, and you as you've
been with us, Carrie, is you know, for the Yankees,
it was always a all right, whatever the payroll is,
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, go find more stars,
push it over the top. That was big Stein and
now you've got hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman who at times,

(39:16):
look you're hamstrung by some of the deals you've made though, right,
not that you're playing scared, but a four hundred million
dollar deal to gian Carlo Stanton, this is what it does.
What it does, and obviously I mean inflating it.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's radio.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
But you paid out Aaron Judge, yes, who's had issues
staying healthy, highly productive and dominant when he's on the field,
as evidence two years ago. But even the per game
numbers this year were insane. But he and Stanton aren't
on the field. That's a ton that's crazy. So you
needed to go find another bat. You bring in Sodo

(39:53):
and that short porch and all of those things. So
for Brian Cashman, perhaps one or two fast balls left
in the shoulder as the GM here.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yeah, I know he's I mean, you're bringing a guy
like Soto. Win just had thirty five home runs this
year and had an on base batting percentage of over
nine hundred. So you're bringing in the guy that's obviously
somebody that can really add a little boost in your lineup,
and on those days when one of the two are out,
which is pretty likely, you have another guy that can

(40:23):
kind of pick up the slack for them.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
So we'll figure out the rest of the principles as
it were. Right, Obviously, prospects exchange, but none of the
big names that you thought might have to be have
to be part of it. Right, You've got Dominga's coming
off of his injury, but he's the number one guy,
the Martian that everybody's been looking at. And obviously Volpi
had some issues in his rookie year, but finished with

(40:46):
I think you'd say a pretty strong with rookie campaign
after the slow start. They didn't run in high they
didn't send him back to Triple A. Like, you're gonna
figure this out because we need to know whether you
could play or not Yeah, what your mental makeup is.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
That part too.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
I mean it's Volpi's a good player and he's, like
you said, has some ups and downs for sure, but
he was a rookie, but somebody I saw a lot
of promising and you know, handled the press really well,
handled the ups and downs really well. And so you
got to have that type of makeup to play in
New York and play with the Yankees. And I think
they got a good one there.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Look at you, you're a smiling good news in between
all our talk of the Jets and the chaos there
in Coming up next, we turn our attention back to
the NFL talk about officials, not officiating on the field,
but also on the practice field.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
We'll do that next year as we continue
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