Hour 2 - Ban The Tush Push?

Mike Harmon and Kerry Rhodes talk about Jason Kelce saying the tush push should be banned.

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Grittings and welcome in
hour two of the program. Here on a beautiful Wednesday night,
NBA Action, Fast and Dearest Tomorrow Thursday Night Football a
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(00:45):
and Steelers get it on. We'll get into that in
earnest a little bit later. Mike Harmon alongside Carrie Roads.
You know Jason Smith. Tonight on right off for Jason
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I got Carrie Rhoades next to me here, still bouncing,
still still hopping, a little bit off the news of
Juan Soto headed to the Big Apple.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
It was a nice little tingle in my body over here.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
There you go, Barry Christmas. You don't need anything else.
That's it. No Yamamotos.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, that's exactly what it felt like to it.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
No quagmire, kind of excited release for you. There, there
you go. But that was one of the dominoes that
we've had up on the board, right him Yamamoto who's
supposed to meet with the Dodgers and hammered with the Dodgers.
Shoe Aotani who met with the Dodgers. Evidently they closed
down I heard this with our guys, met Petres seventy

(02:00):
that then actually shut down a lot of the operations
that are normally day to day at Dodger Stadium. When
they gave show, Hey, the tour, so the store, so
the tour wasn't there. But Dave Roberts, we talked about
it last night. Put that statue up because the man

(02:20):
did what what was right, he's gonna be honest with
the people. Yeah, we talked to him. Didn't tell you
where to meet him, didn't tell it tell you to
show up with a bag of balls to get autographed
or to stalk him. It was, Yes, we had a
nice conversation. Clap your hands Vegas blackjack dealer style and
out you go. But certainly a guy that you know,

(02:42):
if he doesn't sign with the Dodgers, if shoe he
Otani does go elsewhere Toronto or one of these other
potential destinations, the Giants or whatever, Dave Roberts in this
town there, they're gonna go at him harder than any
bullpen decision he ever made. That's your fault. You said

(03:02):
you talked to him and that you looked him in
the eye. How dare you? How dare you not close?
Did you like when you were looking at you know,
potential new destinations in your NFL career? And don't you
kind of trumpet that here's the teams that want me.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know what's funny about my situation was I had
no say so in that matter. I got traded. Uh,
very funny story. Actually, I was working out, I was
here in La It's like my first time really coming
to LA as well. So I was out here training.
I used to train with uh Gunner Peterson.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who actually little gunner little Gunner Peterson, So me got
have a big deal.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Me Tom Brady. Uh we will work out early there
with him in the morning.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like that name drop, right, you appreciate that training name
drop very casually with Gunner and this guy, this guy
who was it?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
He was decent. Yeah yeah, oh I don't care. Let
me pick that up for you. Yeah, thanks all got
pre said that, Alex No, I was saying it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Make sure make sure you get you know full bend
right your legs and everything.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah yeah yeah, but you know, like leaving workout, taking
my time get home, I didn't have my phone with me.
I had my phone left left it at the at
the house. I finally get around to my phone. It
was like one hundred misscalls. It was just like a
big number of miscalls. I'm like, what's going on. I see,

(04:29):
like my agent, I see the jets, I see ten
and bomb, I see I have to see all these
weird I'm like, okay, what happened? And so I see
my agent. I call my agent. I'm like, what's up.
He's like, where have you been. I've been calling you,
like I'm working out You've been You've been traded to
the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You've been working out on your new team. Like, I'll
let him know.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Like what, So I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
So they didn't. They didn't give you a hedge up
as a guy with the skin in the game that
you add, Yes, you got nothing from the team about this.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Know, in like a month or two before, prior before
the draft, we had a meeting saying we want you back,
we want you back. Everything's good. I'm meeting with the
coach and meeting with the defensive coordinator after like all
these things skip to two months later after I know
it sounds like that, right, No, we weren't. We weren't

(05:21):
seeing one hundred percent. I die as as as a
player in an organization. But you know, after the season,
after the playoff run. We had a great playoff run.
We were one game short from the championship, and you know,
you have these you know, have these ends of season meetings.
They went the extra mile. Like me and the defensive coordinator,
me and Rex, we all had dinner on on on

(05:43):
one all outside of the the end of the season meetings,
and next thing you know, I'm traded to Arizona, and uh,
you know, it was it was. It was hard because
again I think I'm going to be in New York forever, right,
And next thing you know, I'm landing in Arizona the
next day. And it looked then like New York.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
How quickly did you get on the phone to ask
ask some questions? Oh, not only of hey, welcome to
the new team, whatever else, but between your agent, but
calling back to those those old numbers going fellas.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I didn't call them at all, not at all. I
didn't talk to them at all. I didn't even the
first interaction I had with Rex after that was when
we played them two years later and tannenbomb I had
never said anything to it all until last year.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I was gonna say, we could probably find him in
the roll of decks and oh yeah, I talked to
last we needed to. I talked to him last year
and it was uh and he had been like, yeah,
this is he was.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
He was introducing me to his kids and he's like,
this is one of the best safeties we had in
New York. And I'm looking like this okay, all right,
and it's like, uh, He's like, yeah, probably we shouldn't
have traded him. He threw that out there casually too,
him like, Mike, just just say hello and keep moving.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, no, no point shake my hand, say you enjoyed
our time together.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'll see you in hell. That's I mean, that's it.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's it. Don't try to make it. No, don't make
a big scene about it. But yeah, it was. It
was weird at the time, so I didn't have that
say so.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, But the general thing is like, there's at least
a little bit of communication going on. I would, I
would at least somebody. You've got an inkling that is
going on in in free agency of you know, you
want it out there, sure, right, you want to know,
you want people to know. Hey, I've got to, especially
if you're going to be a coveted free agent. Right, So,

(07:35):
like the show a Tani, don't tell me your meeting,
I get privacy whatever. We hashed this out yesterday. But
it's just that idea of all right, this could disqualify you,
Like come on, man, you know you know we're gonna
pull out every stop. I mean, look what the Angels
did unless you really hated all that. But I think
we would have found out by the third year, when

(07:58):
they were sending me for another show hal Tani Pillow Night,
that you didn't like that merchandising and marketing around your face.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, well that's what he puts out right. He says
he's so private, he doesn't like the hoop li, he
doesn't like the big scene. Right, So when you think
of that, he's been true to that. He's stuck to that.
So I mean to say, to not let anybody know
you're coming to town is just a little bit. That's
that's a little bit of a reach.

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(08:48):
practices that you brought in too, got to go through
the process. How did that work out? You know, with
with squads? You know, did you ge a meeting. Hey,
we've got some bad habits with the coaches, and it's
like these guys are here to help us clean that
up or what. Yeah, what's that process?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
We didn't get it. We didn't get it told to
us that way, but that probably that's probably what it was.
But it was more about we're just gonna get this
game feel. We're gonna have the referees here to kind
of call it. They'll call it, you know, a little
loosely and and won't be as tough like they will
put that out there as a as a preambley I
guess to what was about to go on, but yeah,

(09:29):
it was. It was just more to get the game
feel and get used to actually playing and practicing like
you're doing in the game. That's that's literally what hours
would have looked like, or would have been told to us.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So now we get John Hussey and his crew have
been assigned to the Eagles Cowboys, So the Cowboys had
the zebras out there to kind of clean up a
little bit and go through and we we have some
of the aggressive calls. I actually had tweeted out about
it because it was in the Cleveland game this last week.

(10:03):
The receiver clearly caught the ball in bounce. How dare
you throw a challenge flag that? He didn't say that,
but that was kind of what he implied. Cleveland will
be charged a time out. Bit aggressive with the way
he goes to the microphone. Yeah, but you know how
early in the week we I mean, we know when
they're announced, but how early in the week does that

(10:24):
get brought up? Of all right, their tendencies are this
that the other? In your position meetings?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I think that depends on the team and the coach.
I've been. When I was in Arizona, we didn't tell
much about the officials or what they're going to call
as far as a team wise conversation about it. But
when I was in New York with Eric Mangini, who's
very detailed and comes from the Belichick tree, you know,
we literally talked about the strengths and weaknesses of the

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of the referees.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Too, trying to understand figure out those tendencies. And I'm
wondering from the offensive side of things, when we're playing
that chess match, of all right, we know these guys
are going to let some physicality go on the outside. Yes,
so let's test those boundaries right, certainly defensively for you
as a defensive back and your your your mates in

(11:15):
the in the backfield, they're like there's a very wide
gap crew to crew as to what's going to go on,
and maybe they're having a day where they're they're just
not feeling it. So it's even more of a for
lack of a better term, tiki tag fall that can
set a tone for an entire games like, oh, we're
that where that you know, letter of the law versus

(11:38):
some of what we've seen like the other night, I
mean watching that Sunday night game when look, how would
you like to be a dB? Like normally it's like, oh,
I don't want to be a dB at the league
that let me do that all day long. If I
could ride the guy to the grapple.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
We talked about it in earlier segment. If we could
do that, I could still play too, Just so you
know that if we're going that that route, I can
do it.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Then. Now I enjoyed the fact that there were a
bunch of folks immediately going well was mvs he wasn't
gonna catch it anyway, which is just cruel.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's that's very mean.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's cruel and mean spirit I mean it's the holidays people. Yeah,
may not be wrong, but.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Off of the game tape that we've seen and may
not be wrong but right.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
But mean spirited none less. But it's just that curiosity,
right uh. And and something you know we always have
for betting purposes and whatever. It is information that you
add to your algorithms the way.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I didn't know that. See, I'm not like an I'm
not a big gambler anyway, but I but.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
If they call defensive drives, right, sure, if they if
they call holding penalties, what kills a drive faster than
a holding pad? That's nothing. Nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
But when you said that earlier off the air, I
was like, that's right, right, do.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
They call more PI? Do they call more defensive holding
illegal cars? All of those drive extenders versus the drive
the gators where you know, now we have all the
questions of which of these teams is most effective outside
of the Dolphins of having a CFL running start to
the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, oh, I was talking about that the other day
to someone. I was like, the fact that they're allowing
that to happen, now, you can't cover those guys they're
already the fastest players in the league. They got three
I think three guys on that team have the top speed.
Yeah this year in the NFL, and you got them
getting the head start. It's just come on, man, it's

(13:37):
the arena.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, it's fun. You know the guy that we would
point to you immediately, Tyreek Hill in the non quarterback
if there was an award, you win MVP. But we
all know how that goes unless well, he dominates for
another five weeks, breaks a bunch of records, maybe sort
of to it, gets no credit in the process at all,

(14:00):
which is we're trying to find that balance. But I
want to talk about him not necessarily related to the
running start, but to his quickness, right because we're talking
about outlawing plays, et cetera. And certainly the brotherly shove
continues to come under fire while the Kelsey brothers had
their little sit down, and I think you'd be surprised

(14:21):
what Jason had to say about it. He's carry roads
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon, No Jason Smith Tonight in his stead,
we got a man highly decorated in the National Football League.
He is to partially to blame for the college football
mess that we have that we've been talking about this
week as his Louisville Cardinal failed me. Yeah, they failed

(15:33):
me in a big way. They could have made it
really easy by winning that game there. Carrie Rhoades, Yeah,
I know, I expect them to. I expected them to
win the game as well. I actually went down.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Talked to those guys the day before and they promised
me that they were going to show up and give
their all. And Defense did that. But we had a
stinker of a performance from Plumber, who just didn't play well.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Kept looking at him looking like you're thinking he was
Jeff Hostetler under center.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mustad, that's right, you sent me down, so.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I do it here.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
But yeah, he did. He's he's one of those hit
or miss guys. He's really he's really hot, and he's
on and he looks really good and then he's that performance. So, yeah,
it was a bad it was a bad day.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, but in the end, you know, it's a close game,
and if you're within a couple of plays. That's really
the mantra of the one of the mantras of the show.
We have many, but one of them is it doesn't
have to be a good game, it just has to
be close. So the final couple of possessions, and they
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Eventually I'll get off my uh arse and get some
of these other things fully flowing as we keep going.

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But one of the stories we touched down a little
bit earlier this week Jason and I was the report
coming out that Roger Goodell and the League office might
be in consideration of banning the Brother Lee Show. That
this may actually come to fruition at the end of
the year. The success that they've had and other teams

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have tried to emulate in various forms with varying degrees
of success, might come to an end. Well, we put
a pin in that part of it, just saying all right,
it's out there, it's on the wind. Surprising answer the
Kelsey's got together for their podcast. Here's Jason Kelsey's response.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
Ban I really at this point, I don't care. I'm
over the discussion about.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
It, and to be fairy, we'd just be banning. Like
the push in the back you got everybody still be
able to run the key quarterback.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
I think, yeah, well that's where I'm kind of like,
you know whatever, just we we were really good at
running quarterbacks. I think before we did the push. I
don't think that it's a necessary part for it. It
certainly helps, there's no question about it. But I think, listen,
I just I don't have the energy to care about
whether it gets banned or not.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
See there you go, there you go. I like that response.
All right, so you take that away from us, blank you.
We'll figure out another way to run it, because look
how many teams can't even run a quarterback sneak right now.
I don't do that to demean the old greatness that
was Philip Rivers. Prosper's not here to take those slings
and arrows. But we've got a lot of teams that
either eschew it or they do the acidine. We're going

(18:31):
to run on fourth and one out of shotgun, which
I throw things up my television every time I see that.
It's like, yes, you're gonna be that one team that
it finally works for. No, it fails consistently over and
over again. Can't tell me that the math says that
that's a greater than fifty percent play from shotgun. You

(18:52):
can't tell me that, but to outlaw it. And we
mentioned Tyreek Hill in the prior segment kind of talking
about that running start and where we're getting into motions
with creativity is great, yes, but we're still now we're
kind of blurring the rules in this case. You're you're
trying to ban something just because the team's good at it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, either that, I'm sure they'll say something along
the lines also of player safety as well.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, you got to give me some data to support that.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Sure, but I'm that will be something I promise they
bring up and if they do, decide to actually ban it.
But if you really look at that play, I don't
like to play either, but I would never penalize somebody
for being good at something. And really what it boils
down to is just Jalen Hurts is better at it
than most people. It's not all the stuff that's going on.

(19:45):
They ran they ran the brotherly shove with Mariota in
the game when Jalen Hurts came out and they didn't
get the first down any twice.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
But that's the thing, you know what. The offensive line
with Jalen is great, but it's it's that feel, right,
It's that Kelsey hurts number of times they've done at reps.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
There is execution there.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right, the old Brett Hart excellence of execution. Yes, now,
since you brought up Marcus Marieta, yeah it is. I
tell you what. We'll we'll get to that in a moment.
Coming up here in a second, we'll we'll get to
our guy Fendley if if we can look look to
him here, because I want to go back to some

(20:29):
sound that came off of in it's a guy that
probably should be worrying about his brother, yeah, more than
what's going on in Philadelphia. But we'll do that in
a moment, as we're going to go over to our
guy Brian Finlay here and get an update of what's
going on in our sporting universe.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yes, guys there, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
There is a ton of NBA action going on right now,
including a couple of games. One in Los Angeles where
the Clippers have found their way back sixty three to
sixty one. They're in front of the Nuggets early stages
of the third quarter, Nicoliokich flirting with a triple double,
the Clippers scoring forty points in the second quarter. That's
nineteen more points than the Nuggets, So that's a big

(21:09):
reason why the clip show able to overcome the early
first quarter deficit. The only other game that is going on,
the Warriors are trailing sixty to fifty three, the Trailblazers
in front, and they're about five or so minutes into
the third quarter. There as far as some of the
completed games in the Association. Fifty points from Joel Embiid
in a one thirty one to one twenty six win

(21:29):
for the seventy six ers over the Wizards. The Pistons
are stumped again, this time at home, one sixteen to
one oh two. They're on the losing side of that
one against the Grizzlies, and Desmond Baine forty nine points
he fuels Memphis to their sixth win of the year,
the Heat over the Raptors one twelve to one oh three,
the Hawks losing by one one fourteen to one thirteen

(21:51):
to the next the Nets. Despite thirty points and nine
assists from Trey Young for Atlanta, the Timberwolves serve another
l to the Spurs two to ninety four. Rudy Gobert
twenty rebounds along with his sixteen points. Bulls overcome the
Hornets one eleven to one hundred. Rockets team the Thunder
one ten to one oh one, and Luka Doncic a

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triple double in the first half, finished with forty points,
ten rebounds, and eleven assists of the after the Mavericks,
they absolutely demolished the Jazz one forty seven to ninety seven.
And of course the big news regarding Major League Baseball,
there were conflicting reports. Is the deal done? Is it not?
Between the Padres and the Yankees. Joel Sherman and now

(22:36):
other media outlets are confirming this that the Padres and
Yankees have finalized a trade which is headlined by Juan
Soto and Trent Grisham.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Going to New York.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
And so, as a Padre fan, as I get it
back to you guys Kerriy Rhoades and Mike Harmon, I'm
thinking to myself, Okay, well, those two teams, those two players,
Soto and Grisham didn't really work in San Diego, so
maybe they'll work for Carrie's team.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Then will the eight Kids? Yes, hey, Trent Grisson was
a member of the Dollar ninety eight club. Do you
remember the Dollar ninety eight beauty pageant? I do old show? Yeah,
you and I are a little bit older. What was
my guy's name? Uh, it was Rip? Was it Rip

(23:23):
Martin something like that? Yeah, and he would be and
they basically it was the Dollar ninety eight Beauty Pageant, right,
so let's just say it was not your traditional beauty
pageant and the contestants thereof and at the end he
would sing a song where it was you win the
prize and a dollar ninety eight. There was your big
prize on a on a big television show. You can

(23:45):
probably find clips in the YouTube world friendly to fighten yourself.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
I feel like Mike that there are and maybe we
can get Tyser to play one.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
We'll see. Yeah, I think nowadays that might be a
problematic of the content, but we'll take a look at
it at Brian Fenley where you find him on Twitter.
B Thanks Brian, appreciate you. We'll talk more about the
big trade from the Yankees, so Carrie can do another
victory lap. Coming up was Rip Taylor there, Chayler was

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my guy's name. The Dollar ninety eight Beauty Pageant, the
Beauty Show back in nineteen seventy eight. One of the
big things was the glitter bombing. So if you went
to a taping of the show. You were going to
have some explaining to do if you hadn't told people
where you were at. And I'll leave it at that.
Now we talk about the NFL quarterbacking. Obviously your greatest

(24:38):
predictor of success, having a successful, competent quarterback, one who
can stay upright and healthy one of the big deals
in Philadelphia. Jalen Hurts has banged up, and we know
the offense is not operating at peak efficiency. Anybody that's
watched a game, you know it's the winning, ugly philosophy
of my beloved nineteen eighty three White Sox, brought to

(25:00):
the twenty, brought forty years into the future by an
NFL team. Parts of it start to work, but it's
been clunky. Right first halfs slow starts, all of those
things for the Eagles, winning many, many games, and then they,
as so many teams have done before, you run into

(25:21):
the forty nine ers at full strength and it's a
buzz saw. And we watched that last week. Now you
get another test with the Dallas Cowboys, and everybody starting
to get a little excited about Dak Prescott, starting to
get a little excited about what it all comes together.
So a big NFCE showdown on Sunday Night Football, and
you brought up Marcus Mariota, the ability to run the

(25:44):
brotherly shove, push, push, whatever we're going to call it
for these purposes and where it's not as efficient. There
is a former NFL quarterback who decided he wanted to
stand for Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 8 (25:56):
Let's hear it comfortable reading through a defense in a
drop back past scenario. Some would say he's not even
good at it. And I think that when you look
at this team, you have to have a serious conversation
if you're Philly and you have to really say, is
it better for us to play Marcus Mariota right now
and let Jalen get reully healthy? Because I would argue
that it does not matter if you're the number one seed,

(26:17):
because if the forty nine ers come into Philly again,
I do not care if you're Nick Sirianni. This is
the type of decision and conversation you have to have
if you have a big picture mentality, and I think
you can have that conversation honestly with Jalen and if
you set him down, that's all Jaalen talks about is
the end result and getting to the super Bowl and
winning that thing the best way we can do it.

(26:37):
They didn't run the football at all with him twice.
That's not it, man, that's not the winning edge. Put
Marcus in there, win a couple of games. Maybe you
have the number one seed. Still you might have it.
I'd say he's probably better at playing quarterback for the Phillipegles.
Oh right now, right now.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I like hot take nonsense. That's David Carr NFL Network.
And you can hear the reactions in studio there. Our
camera's working, so eventually the video of this is gonna go.
You laughed a belly laugh. Carry Rhodes as he started
getting into that take, and I, as I teased it
before we went to Brian Finley, I maybe he should start.

(27:15):
I want to see a segment where he breaks down
his brothers. Yeah, in effectiveness, because the only guy with
the worst QB rating and effectiveness status in the red
zone in the last two years is sitting in a booth.
That's Matt Ryan. So let's let's do that breakdown, shall we.
And I look, I hope Derek carrs alright, he's been
in protocol concussion all week and he's got myriad injuries

(27:38):
because he's taking a beating holds too damn long. But
that's a whole other, whole other thing going on there.
But the red zone ills like trying to tell me
that even for a game, Marcus Mariota is as good
or better than Jalen Hurts. What are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah? See I was I heard this before as well.
I heard it before I got here, and and I
wanted to make sure it wasn't just sound clips and
sound bites.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You got the full contact, the full.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Context now, right, I I think what he was trying
to say because I want to give him the benefit
of the doubt. Right it's Dalen Hurts is injured. He
gives us the best chance to win right now. But
when he said the caveat at the end about him
being a better quarterback for them, it doesn't matter if

(28:30):
it doesn't matter if Jalen has one leg that's not
working completely.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But notice how he did a full cul de sacrament
exactly because he starts by basically saying, this guy can't
say it became injury, which we can all stipulate you.
The guys played her.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I mean what about a month ago he was asked directly,
he got up and left the podium because he didn't
want to address it. Like he's like, I can't say
what I want to. I'm not even addressing about yes, right,
didn't didn't even just looked at the reporter and off
he went. But then he circles back to the better
quarterback that part, Yeah, like, come on, I get it.
If you want to make the argument about they can't

(29:09):
do what they need to with Jalen Hurts in the
offense and that it's not full Jalen Hurts. Yes, all agreed,
All agree to that. Yes, but you're trying to tell
me at any point in this time continue where we're
at in twenty twenty three, that Mariota is a better quarterback.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
He literally just saw Marioda last year and he was terrible. Yeah,
I mean, so it's not like it.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Was he quit on his team too. The fact that
this guy's on a roster, going back to our earlier
conversations about trades free agency, like if what happened, you know,
family and whatever, I get it, But he's still walked
away from a squad.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
He was gone, he was away from the team and obviously, Yes,
he fits their game, he can run their skame. He's
nowhere near the.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Quarterback of Jayalen hurtstyle.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
And that's that's a terrible, terrible, terrible take by Car
And somebody actually knows the position and knows how because
you know Car when he was playing, was.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He got destroyed? Well his rookie year, he was when
he was able to stand upright, he was he could
deliver a football, yeah, and again missed. What do you
get sacked? Like seventy times?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
It was the most at the time when that when
he was what was that? What was his rooieyear? Was
it two thousand and three? Four? Right at that time?

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Was Eli and Philip and Ben he was he was
right before that, so two thousand and two actually, okay,
yeah he was. He's thinking about rookie cards in my hand.
I'm like, oh, it was the two thousand and two
because I remember.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna definitely acquiesce to you
on that for sure, because you definitely know the stats
for sure on that one. But no, David Carr was
never a good quarterback, and you know, to talk about
it that way and talk about him not being able
to read defense this is and all that stuff. It's
just that's just a Nassa nine take. You can't you're

(31:02):
not in the position to say that.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, the hard part for me And look, Layman and
I raised my hand and I like to think maybe
I'm a little smarter than the average bear. But in
the end, we don't know intent and what was drawn up, right,
because we had the Dolphins talking about it the other
day about all right, just put it up, I can
go get it. We're not in route concepts anymore. It's

(31:26):
a get into an area, I'll go find it Tyreek
Hill and to kind of finding just that chemistry knowing
each other. So for us all twenty two or not,
we could be well intentioned, but we don't know what
was designed, what went right wrong, whatever you could you

(31:47):
as a guy who played in the league at the
highest level, you can make better educated guesses than most.
But it's still to that point. So for David Carr
to just break it down that way, like you're talking
about a guy who was an MVP candidate last year, Yes,
talk about a guy who has found ways to win
week after week. It's what it's happenstance, it's luck every

(32:12):
time Jalen Hurts goes out there. That's essentially what he
just said there. Yes, like he does it a lot
of quarterback, right.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
We saw that. We saw him go Mano Imano with
Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl and outplay him. He played,
He outplayed Patrick Mahomes. And so for anybody to say
that because I'm not like a I'm not a huge
Jalen Hurts fan by by any means, but I can
sit there and say this is a guy that plays
winning quarterback at that position, and he plays it at

(32:42):
an elite level. He may not look like some some
of the other quarterbacks that he may be referring to,
or has the memory of seeing or being or taking
place in that era with some of those guys. Right,
but when you talk about playing quarterback these days, you
gotta be able to read defense and make passes, but
you also got to win games with your feet and

(33:03):
your legs as well. And that's he does that better
than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right, get off the spot and make get that by
the extra second to get a guy open, Yes, which
is what when you've got aj Brown, when you've got
DeVante Smith and now you're getting Dallas Goddard back into
the mix. That's what it's all about. That about that's
so that's the thing I'm confused, Like winning football, like
it doesn't have to be pretty, no, right, No, no

(33:28):
it doesn't. If you're stacking w's in theory along the way,
you're refining things as it goes. You're not a finished
product till the end, till the the old proverbial U
final gun sounds, whether that's in the playoffs or in
their case it was a Super super Bowl. Yeah. Crazy,
We're here live in the Tirack dot Com studios. He's

(33:50):
carry Rhodes in for Jason Smith. I'm Mike Carmen coming
up next. We're going to bring in our our guys,
Alex and Patrick because they are fans of a certain
style of animation. And I want to tell you there
was a little sound clip between members of the Upstart,
Young and Plucky Rams that went viral and started showing

(34:12):
up in major places outside of sports, and I think
they may have a particular insight too. That's a big
long tease to say we're going down an animation highway,
and it's not just the Simpsons or more quagmire clips.
We'll do that coming up next here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Welcome back in Fox Sports A Radio Jason Smith Show
with me Mike Harmon. The club is jumping on a
Wednesday night. I appreciate you spending a little time with us,
making us part of your extended family and holiday holiday
holiday situations. You can always take us with you as
you look at Christmas lights in your neighborhood, walking around
with the iHeartRadio app by one of those fans. It's

(35:00):
little speakers and boom, you're entertaining the neighborhood. We appreciate you.
Kerry Rhodes in for Jason Smith tonight. Story that hit
my eye earlier today, Carrie, and it's one we're having
a little bit of fun stretching our legs, and it's
one that is near and dear to the hearts of
our guys. Patrick in for Justin Frostberg and of course

(35:20):
the anime Sempi himself, Alex Tyscher and his podcast. Check
it out. He'll give you all the socials to tell
you where to find him here in a moment, but
wanted to set it up because the Los Angeles Rams
are suddenly playing some interesting football offense, moving a bit,
Cooper cups healthy, Pooka Nakua. One of the great stories

(35:43):
of the year, Kyra and Williams. Who if he played
three more games instead of missing a bunch all of
a sudden, like, can I vote for him for MVP
because he's been fantastic, He came back from injury and
he's running like a guy shout out of a cannon
the last couple of weeks in so long as Matthew
Stafford is upright, got a chance knows it's the NFC,

(36:03):
we'll talk playoff picture and all coming up in about
ten minutes. Where we stand going into Week fourteen of
the National Football League, the last week of the BYS
only two teams up, two teams you probably don't really
care about too much, in the Washington Commanders and the
Arizona Cardinals, But we'll get to that coming up in
ten minutes. This story concerns well anime growing leaps and bounds.

(36:27):
You're still i think in the curve, at least in
the US where you could probably still even call yourself
an early adopter. At this point, you're still in that nice,
meaty part of that rise, like you're going up a
roller coaster and you're nowhere near the Oh my god,
what have I done? Look now? Yeah, there's still a
few more clicks on that track. So there was a

(36:48):
conversation about the from the wide receivers, and I gotta say,
Carrie and I talking about it a little bit before
the show. We were a little upset, and he might
have fallen in my fantasy rankings because of it.

Speaker 9 (36:59):
I thought you would like anime.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
No, no, no, you were wrong.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
How about that?

Speaker 7 (37:09):
Not?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I haven't checked it out a lot. Not Hey, it's
something I really don't know a lot about. Educate me.
No no, no, no, no, that ain't me. Beat him good?
All caught on tape, all part of the the clips.
That's uh, Alex Kuka Nikua trying to make make nice
with his receiving partner. There, Alex make Cooper cump. I
mean he probably lost a couple of pegs, you know,

(37:31):
dropped in your wide receiver rankings.

Speaker 9 (37:34):
I'm to say, if I ever had the opportunity to
meet him, I would turn the other way. Now, it's
just funny how quick he was to the Guy's like,
you look like you like no, no, not really okay,
And then like the guy follows up, he's like, bro,
you really look like no, no.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Now, I don't know what that means. You really look
like you'd like anime just street. Well, I mean I
would say it as a compliment. I look creative, imaginative,
and I also like to have fun. This guy looks
like a d bag. Then I guess my bad, look
at that.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
There you go, you see that.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I just didn't know what that. You know, you
look like an anime. So I'm trying to just get
you to characterize that. No, I'm just assume nothing of
anybody anymore in this world.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
Now, I mean that's fair, But it's it's like a
compliment because it's the new hot thing. It's like the
new hot new girl at school, right, everybody's like, you
look like you'd be with her, Like, yeah, you know
it's I would be you know. So it's the same thing.
He's coming up to him's like, bro, you look like
you'd be an anime. No, no, like just it was
the fact it wasn't dismissive. It was like he took
it as like you were talking down like a bit
of an Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's just upsetting. You're an anime guy. Are you gonna
be able to calm Alex down? I'm trying, you know,
I'm trying to calm myself down too, because like I
took it like come on man, Like Boca's trying.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
To be like, dude, you watch anime. I'll watch him.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
He's trying to be like yeah, He's.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Like no, no, no, no, It's like, come on, man, he's
just trying to have fun.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Maybe he was trying to say, hey, I'm gonna have
people over. We're gonna watch some good anime. Would you
like to join our party?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
You should probably show him and tell him about like
I said, Blue Eyed Samurai, which I watched, and now
I'm becoming a fan. So now I see the hype.
Alex has been telling me about it last the last
couple of weeks, and so I'm on board. I wasn't
at first.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Open your eyes like he's given me a couple off.
And I've watched the podcast, like I see that he's
gone live. I'll catch a few minutes, like I don't
know a lot of the history. It's like you know,
I'll admit blind spot for me, but I'm I'm always
open to see you like I want to know what
gets people jacked for sure, right yeah, I mean it
may not be the thing I then lean a lot

(39:31):
of time and right and effort in you, but I'll
at least understand. I want to I want to know
what to do what gets you excited, And with Alex
being such a critical member of our team, that's important
to me. So Alex evangelized to the people. Where can
they find the podcast?

Speaker 9 (39:45):
Well, everybody besides Coop can find me at Anime sent
By podcast. Just search it up anywhere. I'll put you
on game and just like Carro Rhades can tell you,
I'll make you a fan.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I promise here it is.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
There you go, Alex tie shirt, Patrick Sweeka, our guys
behind the scenes making it sounds so pretty. We got
Fendley on the updates team working hard in the back,
and of course Carrie Rhodes in for Jason Smith still
dancing after the news of the Juan Soto trade, and
Luka Doncicic not only for the great performance but for
really terrorizing the postgame interviewer with a couple of explatives. Yes,

(40:20):
one trying to recover from the first one. Really well done.
We've got playoff pictures in the NFL coming up next.
Hair As we continue on Fox