May 4, 2024 • 39 mins
Jason Smith and Ryan Hollins get you all caught up on the NBA Playoffs and Caitlin Clark’s WNBA Preseason debut. And the guys are joined by LA times Lakers Beat Writer Dan Woike for all the latest on the team and the firing of head coach Darvin Ham!
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
The way tire buying should be Well. I know, I'm
very happy, of course that you're here tonight because I
know if JJ Reddick's getting an interview to coach the Lakers,
you will be getting one as well.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So I'm glad you just you know, send.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Time to hang out with us before you know, the
Lakers come call, you can go coach Lebron and ad.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I don't know if it's that easy. But I'm glad
to be here. Man, Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, you could do yeah, yeah, come on, you've been
around the game for so long. Yeah, you're taller than
both of them. You could you could tell them what
to do.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey, JJ is beyond qualified. I played with JJ twice.
He's a good guy. He knows the game. And you know,
part of it is being a hot name right now, man,
And I love what JJ's doing.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, dude, if he can come which is ridiculous, he
can come from TV and no coaching at all into
doing it like you could do it, That means I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think if I got to Steve, Steve Kerr didn't
won a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean why not? Man, how about you and
I both go do it? How about you and I?
Because I need I need somebody. I could say, Hey,
for the really difficult basketball questions, I'll have Ryan Hollins,
so they'll be that. But I'll come in and I'll
make all the other like I'll make the uniform decisions
and like what time we practice and all kinds of stuff.
All the fun stuff, the basketball stuff I'll leave to you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I've seen crazier things happen in the NBA, and I'll
leave it at that. We've seen crazier things man.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, speaking of the NBA right now, Yes, Orlando sends
that series to seven games despite fifty from Donovan Mitchell
to be Cleveland one oh three ninety six. Meanwhile, Dallas
on top of the Clippers thirteen to six. This is
early in the first quarter. But obviously, yes, two big
stories tonight. We got Darvin Ham getting fired by the Lakers.
We have Caitlin Clark making her WNBA debut, but you
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know we have Dan Wake coming up in a few minutes.
Lakers insiders got a lot on Darvin Ham. I mean,
but here for a couple of minutes on him, big dog.
It's like nobody's is surprised at this. The Lakers have
a lot of dysfunction. And so yeah, of course, when
when you see Lebron James questioning Darvin Ham a post game,
when you see Anthony Davis questioning Darvin Ham post game,
Lebron is picking some play in the third quarter, why
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didn't you challenge it? And Anthony Davis is saying, I
don't know that We're all on the same page, Like
you knew what was going to happen. You knew, you
knew that there was going to be a coaching you
knew that Darvinham had outlived his usefulness and and and
he didn't have the locker room anymore. But like I'm
gonna say this, like I get it, but like there's
no magic pill. There's no magic coach coming in to
save the Lakers. Like they'll get somebody in with new
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ideas and you got to just kind of close your
eyes and hope. But like there's nobody out there where
you can say, oh, man, you know, you go get
this guy and suddenly this is how the pieces are
gonna fall into place for the Lakers. Unless I'm missing somebody.
But I don't think that job for the Lakers coaching
Lebron and Ad. I don't think that person exists right now.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's not a lot of a pill there. And the
reason being is Lebron James is always gonna be tough
to coach. The reason he's tough to coach is because
what are you gonna tell him? At this point? Lebron
in his career, needs a motivator. So if you can't
motivate him, there's not much you're gonna be able to
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say to him, that's gonna make him, you know, want
to play. And honestly, Lebron's opinion, he may feel like
he knows more than you know some of the coaches,
or the opportunity or hey, there may be moments where
he felt like he knew more than Darvin Ham, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I'm sure he had all moments when he thought
he knew more than Darwin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And at the end of the day, put Darvin in
a very compromising situation. And you can't blame Darvin. I
think he did a great job there. I just think
if you're going to be the head coach of the
Los Angeles Lakers, it is it's the toughest coaching position
to have in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you were coaching.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A megastar and you're the new name and you didn't
come up with those guys and you didn't have them,
you know, since they were young or a prior report,
it is the toughest thing that you were going to
be able to do because those guys don't want to
hear anything from you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
They don't want to hear anything from you. Like you said,
if they.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Have an opinion where they feel like they know more
than you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You're doomed. You were doomed, and that happened a Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Darvin was a part of a world championship team
right in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't think he takes all the blame, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I feel like the consensus is there and he's not
getting just you know, David Black got it bad man,
He's not getting blatted.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh. I like that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We should have used that as an adverb or adjective,
you're getting blatted. We just did, Yeah, you got black.
I would patent that idea. Man, someone's gonna put that
on a T shirt and make a lot of money.
You had a patent I got. I got blatted, And
and every every coach that Lebron, that ever's fired coach
and Lebron, they're gonna wear it and they're gonna be
the poster guys, and you're gonna sell a lot of merchant.
Makes a lot to put it on the sign. That
(05:29):
is like him pulling the sign in an airplane. Now
I see, Now that's copyright.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's copyright infringement. You got.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You gotta make sure you don't want to make any
checks out. You want to get all the money ry
and when you make billions, just remember the little people.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, don't bla, don't.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think I don't know if listen, Darvin will coach
again in the NBA, there's no question.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't think it'll just be ousted. We'll be in
a head coach. I don't know, but I think that
you know, you're not looking at it. I can't.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It is his fault. And in some ways, he took
a Laker roster that was just meshed together in moments
and went to a conference finals. So I mean, he
has had success in LA, it wasn't the success you expect.
And obviously, when you have a megastar like a Lebron,
you're supposed to be on the same page as him,
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and you know, it just didn't work out. But if anything,
you can say he wasn't on the same page with Lebron.
And unfortunately, the truth is as a head coach in
the NBA, it's not college basketball, it ain't overseas, but
your job is to be on the same page with
your players, and it's very hard to be on the
same page with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Look, and I don't know if maybe he's saying, hey,
you know what I could actually play and coach team
at the same time, just so you know, I could
be the I could be the first player coach he's
seen in the NBA at quite some time. But Russell,
you know, I mean I I there's nobody else out there,
and and yes, is it all Darvirenham's fault. No, but
I get that he had to go because when you
do lose your stars and no one's gonna right that
(07:00):
message said. You know, he's not gonna get Austin Reeves
and Ruey Hotchimoor to buy in if Lebron and a
d are not butt and so you do need at
least another voice there so it's not so dysfunctional. But
to think that there's there's somebody there that's gonna suddenly
jump in and say, yes, I'm gonna go coach the
Lakers unless someone seismically shakes away from a job that
we think, uh is, you know, they would never leave,
(07:22):
like unless Greg Popovich suddenly says, hey, I want to leave.
I don't like this Wemby kid, I'm coming to l
I want to coach the Lakers, Like unless something like
that happens. I don't know the guys out there I
don't know the best thing they could do is to
go back and say, okay, look, Phoenix, you're just gonna
fire Frank Vogel. Right, okay, right, we got we got it.
You don't like him, You want to hear it. You
hat all these all these stars you're paying money to
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didn't work out. You got swept in the first round.
You're gonna fire Frank Vogel. I don't know the best
thing isn't try to say, hey, are all is everything cool?
U have have have have a have all the ill
will been been pushed away. Can Frank Vogel come back?
Because clearly, look it did work, they did win a title.
They would be better defensively. I know that for a
(08:03):
fact if Vogel was the head coach. But is as
too much going under the bridge that he can't bring
him back, or would it be boy, we won a
title with him, Maybe it's best if we all get
back and do it, because you know, you're looking at
the guy that won a title that would be available
it's offseason. It just so happens to be the guy
that coaching to a title and then got fired because
you know, Lebron, you couldn't get on the same page.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And again, I think the tough part for me and
the frustration that sets in is that we see it
happen a lot. And obviously I'm not in the locker room,
so I can't speak. I'm not trying to find out
the sources or why things are happening or not happening.
But the grass is not always greener. A lot of
times it's not. On the other side, look at Milwaukee,
Mike Buenholzer. You know, it probably didn't get on the
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same page with Janis Gianni's probably felt like certain things
were different, a different voice to push him over the top.
And in fact, they couldn't get back to just to
where they were. They couldn't even it, couldn't make it
out the first round. Maybe it matter of health. There's
a lot of things going on there. So I don't
think the grass is always greener. And unfortunately, like I
feel like we're seeing this a lot. Hey, Phoenix, Monty
(09:06):
can Koch. Obviously things aren't great over in in Detroit.
That's not his fault. They're going young. But at the
end of the day, I just think I see these
coaching changes that are just so unnecessary. They're and they're
not upgrades. They're like sideway steps, you know, sometimes steps backwards.
It's not that you're bringing in a coach that doesn't
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know what he's doing. Is not that darfern Ham didn't
know what he's doing as opposed to Frank Vogel. It
was just that it was a different voice, and sometimes
a different voice, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Is not needed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like how you're you're very nice, so by saying,
you know, things aren't going great in Detroit for money, no,
but here's the thing that they're being really nice, right.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, but they're rebuilding in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So you can't say, hey, MANI take this rebuilding roster
and go, you know, do whatever they're rebuilding.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Man, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Uh So, we will have more on this game coming
up in a few or more on this topic coming
up in a few minutes. When Lakers inside her Dan
Woyke stops by because the Lakers just look like they're stuck. Meanwhile,
it's finally over, maybe the most anticipated WNBA game in history.
Caitlin Clark and the Indiana Fever fall to Dallas seventy
(10:19):
nine seventy six. Rikuo Gunbiwally hits a big three with
a couple of seconds left to win the game. Caitlin
Clark missed a big time contested three in the deep
corner that would have tied the game, so they give
her the ball for the final shot in this game,
the fever loose in her WNBA debut seventy nine seventy six.
But Caitlyn Clark, let me tell you what she did
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tonight For everybody who thinks, oh, she's not gonna be
a star, the wait yet whatever. In twenty eight minutes,
Caitlyn Clark tonight went for twenty one points. She had
sixteen in the first half. She made five threes, including
one from the logo. She was able to shake free
and get her shot, and it looks like things are
gonna be just fined. So everybody who had the ridiculous
(11:01):
take of, you know, the best player we've ever seen
in the history of college basketball, who has scored more
points at the high level D one level than anybody
else in history, was going to struggle coming into the WNBA. Yeah,
I think that's out the window. I think Caitlyn Clark
is going to be just fine. Got to see some
of the game tonight and see some of her highlights
and great footwork as she always had, is able to
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step back and get her shots at.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Kaitlyn Clark's going to be just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Here's the thing too, that you have in the WNBA
is that the women take their time in college and
back in the day before the one and Don's and
you know, everybody came out of high school. As far
as you know, NBA basketball, those college basketball wasn't watered down.
And when I say that is that you had four
(11:46):
year college guys stepping into the NBA.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Kind of like ready to play.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But on the women's side, you get that, and that's
why you see it Kaitlin Clark stepping in and doing well,
and she doesn't have the same level of rookie lumps. Now,
all the players in the WNBA, we got to add,
they're not there yet. A lot of them are still
coming over from overseas, so she's still gonna have her
work cut out. But you know a lot of times
those women are more equipped. And you think about like
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a Cannas Parker, if I'm not mistaken, she came right
over and in her first year won a WNBA championships.
So you know you will see that a lot on
the women's side where they're they're prepared.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Man, They're like they're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Here's how her first buckets sounded. First WNBA basket for
Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Forty five blocks last year at Clark for Dree Clark.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
They said, she has redefined what a good shot is.
Look how far out she was.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
There.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It is Fever Radio Network on the call again. She
had four threes in the first half. It was a
great debut for she was a game high plus six
for Indiana. I just I just really have this question, Ryan,
because I understand all the philosophies regarding television rights and
and and where games are. And yes, this game was
available on the WNBA app, but you're looking to open
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your sport to a whole group of people, and you're
looking for dominant ratings. There was no way to put
this game on national TV. Really, there was no way
to put Caitlin Clark's first WNBA game on national TV
where it would have beat the crap out of whatever
magic Cavs is gonna be. I mean, I don't know
what they're at, but but Caitlin Clark's WNBA debut was
gonna be much more. You knew she was gonna play
(13:30):
a lot play all the way. I don't understand how
all this coming in. Yeah, oh by the way, Yeah
you can't. You gotta download the app.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
You gotta.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I get we want to push the app, we
want to push things. But this is about marketing someone
who's gonna change your game, like Magic and Larry change
the NBA in nineteen eighty, Like, this is about getting
her out to as many people as possible. And the
first time you can see her on TV, Nope, can't.
It's gotta be local only. Like you couldn't find a way.
You couldn't find some deal to strike. You knew this
was coming. Hey let's get her first game on television.
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I mean, I know we're gonna get all her games
on national TV in the regular season, but there's such
a thirst to see her plane now and how many
people would have wanted to see it, and they couldn't
figure out a way. Really they No, they couldn't figure
out with any network to figure out some kind of
deal where hey, we can show this game on national
TV and everybody could see it.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I mean, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And for those who want to argue the Women's championship.
I mean just out out did every single uh you
know rating on the on the men's side, and did
you know historic numbers? But you're right, I don't think
that we have caught up to what we're seeing yet, so.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I cannot argue that point there. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know, hats off to the ladies though, I mean,
I mean seriously, and you're you're right, that is going
to be a call that's going to be made of, Hey,
can we we see these ladies on national TV or
a way to see Caitlin clark Er. I'm sure that
you know, maybe some of the streaming services. I know
the NBA deal is up. I'm not sure if the
women's rights are are within that also or you know,
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kind of a way to manage, but you know that'll
be And it's funny you bring it up because the
women they want equal play, they want you know, higher
revenue split. You know, the the NBA is turning to
a place hopefully where it can make money. So and
the questions still are there because you know, it was
the college game that made money and now you're gonna say, hey,
is the w NBA gonna make this big turnaround?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know? And and a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And I wasn't old enough to really understand this, but
the real value of Magic and Bird their rivalry is
that it brought awareness to the NBA, and it peaked
everyone's interest, and that Michael Jordan took that interest and
he ran with it. And then we've seen Lebron James,
who taking the game to a whole other level. And
you're looking at Caitlin Clark and you're looking at Angel
(15:45):
Reese and those ladies and saying, hey, are you guys
gonna be the ones that take the game to the
next level?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Is that who who is gonna be? So you're right,
I am interested to see And is there gonna be
a big enough fuss that says you want to see
these games? Because you can't just talk about it. Mike,
you got you gotta step up.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know you're doing a whole lot of chirping, man,
you gotta step up.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Exit out about a Fresco. Ryan at the Ryan Hollins
Jasons with Ryan Hollins in for Harmon tonight. UH seven
sixteen is the time. It is twenty five twenty four
Dallas with the lead over the Clippers, one forty eight
to go. In the first quarter. We'll have more on
this game, but coming up next, we'll stop by with
Lakers insider Dan Moyki get all the inside scoop on
(16:32):
why Darvin Ham had to go and who might be next.
Maybe it's JJ Reddick, maybe it's Ryan Hollins. We'll see
that's next. Fox.
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Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon,
Ryan Hollins in f Mike Harmon tonight right now, Dallas
into the first quarter leads the Clippers thirty four to
twenty six in the closeout game, Paul George leading the
way for the Lakers with ten meanwhile Luca with fourteen
and four helpers already for the Mavericks as they look
(17:53):
to get onto the second round. We'll have more on
this coming up in a few minutes. But as we
spoke about a few minutes ago, darv and Haim is
no longer the head coach, And if the Lakers are
potentially jumping into television, maybe it's JJ Reddick. Maybe it
could be our next guest. It could be Lakers insider
with the La Times and longtime front of the show
Dan Wiki.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
If you need a reference, I am here for you
for your Lakers head coaching interview, Jase.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
And I appreciate that I better you than Ryan by
the way on that list for me. Wow, I think
I think it would just you know, right knows too
much about me, too much information you need like the
casual reference. You don't want anybody can answer any serious questions.
You want people to be able to answer n surface once.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hey, so about you. I heard the story that when
he traveled on the road, he used to like, uh,
go into other people's rooms and take money.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Dress Do you know about that?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know, the money off the dresser. He used to
he used to dress up as someone who worked in
the in the in the in the hotel and take money.
Do you know anything? No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Wow, I guess you can't hire that guy.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Okay, then, like seriously, like Ryan, this toperates the same
for Ryan. If somebody ever asked me to like give
Ryan a reference, I would say, good guy, but like seriously,
like it's all metabolism, Like he looks like a hardworking athlete,
but it's just really genetics, like eat like a seven
year old child.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm telling everybody about secrets, right.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Aren't you right? Aren't you a professional athlete? And it's
just like more natchos. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I like that. It's really all genetics.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, he's not going to give you anything, but
I will tell you this, You're gonna have to order
more for the postgame buffet because he's going to eat
a lot of it and there won't be enough left
for some of the guys. Yeah, So say, I'm learning
more about you and Ryan.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I like that. Ryan.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
We'll talk about your we'll get to that Oh no,
I think that's done now, Dan, I think you're done.
I'm sorry, I think that's over now. All right, So listen,
we knew that Darvinham was going to be let go.
It was was a fade of complete when your best
players are questioning your coaching acumen, like ad question not
being on the same page the entire team and Lebron
(20:09):
very upset over a third quarter challenge. It wasn't made.
You knew the call had to be made. Was it
just that simple that, hey, Lebron and he lost Lebron
and a D or was there more than that?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I mean, I really don't even think those two incidents
had a lot to do with it. Maybe the AD
thing a little. I mean, look, the challenge thing. I'll
just say this, like if teams listened to star players
on challenges every time, you need to lose a lot
of challenges, like and I understand that he was right
that time. Lebron has been plenty wrong on plenty of
(20:42):
challenges this season. So I don't think that it was that.
I think to me, though, like, I mean, this all starts,
you know, way earlier. This probably actually starts in November,
you know, when the team goes away from Austin Reeves
for Cam Reddish in the starting lineup, and that was
the first of kind of a series of decisions in
(21:03):
which the guys that were a part of the core
of last year's team that sort of saved the season,
there was really six of them, right, of those six,
basically each one other than Lebron James Anthony Davis at
one point or another this season was told you're coming
off the bench, you know, and that was Ruy Hatamurrow
to start the season, Jared Vanderbilt as he worked back
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and was ready to start, you know again, and starting
lineups did not getting that nod. Austin Reeves started and
then didn't and then started again, Dangela Russell started and
then didn't, then started again, and then kind of you know,
what makes what makes it worse, right is that within
all that experimentation, one sort of injuries and everything lineup
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and they it forces the Lakers and forces Darvin Ham
to go with you know, Ruy Hachimura, Austin Reeves, d
Angelo Russell, Lebron, James Anthony Davis. Then the team goes
and wins seventy five percent of their remaining games. You know,
so I think it just took them too long to
get to that point, and players wanted to be there.
And you know, when you're tinkering and you know you're
(22:08):
hovering around five hundred and you feel like you're better
than that, and then you finally get to sort of
your idea, it's sort of like, dude, like, come on, man, like, well,
that's what we should have been all along. And I
think that's where it starts more so than anything else
on that front, right, and then there's the stuff you
hear about in game adjustments and things like that. I
don't think this was a one or two problem issue.
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I also, by the way, I think that if you
think that just because now you've replaced Darvin Hammer, you're
going to replace Darvin Ham, that all these other issues
are going to go away, I think it's crazy too,
you know, but for this team right now. I mean,
he had fans channing for his job after Game three.
It's just there are too much truth bases out of
the tube. I think it is probably the best way
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to kind of start over with him again next season.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And Dan, it's safe to say that Darvin knew, you know,
even taking the Laker job. Is probably outside of the
nick job, the most heavily scrutinized position, coaching position in sports.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But what are you hearing? What's the direction?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You have a aging Lebron James who can still play
at a very high level. You have Anthony Davis who
kind of battles injuries off and on, and you have
a roster, as you just mentioned, kind of message together.
You had kind of the defenders on one side, and
then you had the guys who the core, who had
been there, who just got paid, who.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Cut the scoring on the other side. So what direction
do you go in?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Maybe from a managerial standpoint and from a coaching standpoint
if you're the Lakers and you know obviously you know
Lebron has say and pulling things.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But how involved will he be?
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, I mean, Ryan, I think he'll be involved, right,
But I do sort of think that his like his
juice in some ways is a little overstated at this
point that you know, the team has really operated in
a way that's been what they view to be best
for the team. You know, I mean Lebron is pretty
clearly on the record with sort of what he thinks
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about draft picks. You know, of the the bleeps them
picks school of generally speaking right. And look, the team
has been in situations on Draft Day where they could
have thrown picks together in trade and post Russell Westbrook,
like they haven't done that. They had you know, the
biggest move they made was sort of undoing that kind
of star driven trade. And you know, to believe me,
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I mean, Lebron James wanted some versions that done before
the Lakers eventually did it, right, Like he knew it
wasn't working, thought they should move on, and they waited,
you know, like stuff like that's happening, you know. I mean, look,
I mean five years ago or however long it was
when the Lakers hired Frank Bogel. They didn't hire Tylou
and we know how Lebron James feels about Tyleru. We
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know who Lebron James wanted to play for, and they
hired Frank Bogel. So so I mean I think, like,
you know, he's obviously a really important voice. He is
basically at the center of everything that you do. For
the reasons you mentioned. He's still an All NBA player
in year twenty one, which is crazy. He's good enough
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to establish things like a career high in three point
percentage this year. He's good enough for them to be close,
Like they really were close against Denver. And you know
the issue is for the Lakers though, like close doesn't
mean much. You know, this is an organization Ryan that
you know hangs in season tournament banners. They're about championships
in Lakerland. I'm just kidding, but like you know, they
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are about titles.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right, So if I could read what you're saying, Dan J.
Moore is the next head coach. If I can read,
is that what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
You might get an interview? I think, But I mean
I think like as you look at this, you know
what I mean, it's a it is a tricky job.
I mean, I wrote a piece today for the only
Times that basically looks at there's like functionally three three
lanes of candidates that they can look at. You know,
the Lakers thing to do would be to hire somebody
who's been a head coach before. Typically when they've gotten
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something wrong, they go and do the exact opposite. No,
I mean, he has a job, you know what I mean?
Like I think, like had Doc Rivers been available, Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You said the name you said, the name Doc Rivers.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
They absolutely would have looked at him, but like, he's
not available, right, Like think I think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He will be. I think he will be in a
couple of days.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
He's free. He's not available, you know. But we're talking
about guys like Kenny Atkinson, right, We're talking about Terry
Stotts is the guy they've tried to hire twice as
an assistant coach. You know. I think James Barrego is
pretty well thought of as a coach and you know,
had some success in Charlotte, maybe just needs to work,
you know, for a more serious organization, like like you know,
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those are the kinds of names that you're talking about
when you're talk about like sort of establishment level coaches.
Nobody in there that you feel like right away you're like,
we've got our guy.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Then you look at sort of the top line assistance,
which is kind of how they landed on Darvin Ham.
And I think there's a resistance to trying to do
the same thing. I don't think that's right. I think
that's a bad process. But you know, there is some
resistance to be like we tried this and it didn't work,
and then there's the wild cards, and it's a guy
that Ryan and I both know pretty well who may
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or may not have a basketball strategy podcast with a
guy who's important on the Lakers, and we know and
we know like that's and he may be interested in coaching. Again,
it's not really would not be the kind of thing
the Lakers typically would do when it comes to like
how they've made mistakes, they usually do, like if you
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look at their coaching, they usually do the opposite, right,
establishment guy or they had like kind of an outsider
and Mike D'Antoni they're playing with Byron Scott, like the
ultimate Laker insider, right, Byron Scott had a lot of experience,
didn't work out, They needed new blood. Who they hire
Luke Walton? Didn't work out with Luke Walton? Who did
they hire? All experience coaches, that's who they looked at. Next, right,
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didn't work there, They went to first time head coach.
So like there is a pattern here for them getting back,
you know, over a decade as they've gone through this
coach and you know, churn. But I mean, I think
I think the situation is such that they should cast
a pretty wide net and if the situation is wide open,
you know, maybe end up with something kind of wild Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
One to ten.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
How serious are these talks with JJ Reddick? And we
saw it with Steve Curry won championships, obviously different roster,
different situation, but like, how serious is this?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I mean, I look, I mean, I don't you know,
I don't think they've like progressed anything like in any
real sort of meaningful way at this point. But I
mean I've heard his name a lot when I've talked
to my sources, Like it's a name that comes up,
you know. And I think there is a respect for
JJ's basketball mind. I mean, Ryan, you and I both
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know him very well. I think he is a very
a very thoughtful person when he comes to basketball, very
detail oriented, a lot of sort of traits he would
want out of a coach. I think, you know, for
speaking totally frankly about JJ, I would wonder about you know,
I mean, JJ's a perfectionist and has a very He's
(29:22):
a very hard worker and approach the game a very
specific way, and I would wonder how he would mesh with,
say a twenty year old enter in the league that
approaches the game in a very different way. I think
that would be that's going to be an interesting challenge
for him. But I know Jaj like, if he's going
to do it, he's going to give it everything. And
you know, the one thing about a guy like that
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is he's not doing it for the check. You know,
he doesn't need the money. He'd be doing it because
he loves basketball and he loves challenging himself in basketball.
And that's kind of where I'm at with him. I look,
I think he's a candidate. I it's hard to say
how serious of one. I think he's a cannonate.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's on Twitter at dan wiki sports That is at
dan wiki Sports Lakers Insider. Check out his latest on
the La Times as well. Dan has always many appreciated. Man,
we'll talk to you.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Soon, Hey, will we'll talk to you. Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, we're gonna need that Bronnie James draft profile done
pretty soon, so let us know.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
When you're done. All right, there goes Dan Waki.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know, here's the thing, Ryan, and I get JJ Reddick,
and I understand his basketball acumen, and I understand what
a hard worker he is, and I get all of this,
but I I just come back to a couple of
things is that this is the Lakers. Is a guy
gonna come from the league where he was an okay player.
Wasn't great, he was an okay player. He's been on
(30:47):
TV doling out hot takes for the last couple of years, Right,
that's kind of what he does, right, he thought, Hey,
I'm a media guy, I'm doling out hot takes. He's
gonna walk into the Lakers locker room and a d
and Lebron are gonna buy in. I mean, that's the
whole thing. I don't I don't doubt that he could
be a successful head coach because look, succesful life coaches
has come from anywhere. But he's really gonna walk into
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that Lakers locker and Lebron's gonna say, hey, whatever coach says,
you know, hey, we follow coach by. I mean, really,
that's just not gonna happen. That that just isn't gonna happen.
And I feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
For the Lakers. Well, here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Lebron is still the guy, okay, and you have to
find someone that Lebron respects, but he's also like cool
with because if you get someone that's just too friendly
with Lebron, Lebron is gonna, you know, when you're it's
very hard to play and coach and think outside of
what you need to do. And there are moments where
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Lebron needs to be challenged. Every player, I don't care
how old, how young, you need to be challenged and
someone who can challenge him. But you can't get someone
so tight that you end up turning people.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Off because it's my way or the highway.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So you gotta find someone who is a master of
their words, has enough of a personality, infectious personality that
guys want to buy in, someone that can motivate an
age Lebron James who's done any and everything on the book.
And the question with JJ may are you gonna be
too friendly Lebron? Are you gonna be straight.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Up with him? Is he gonna take you seriously?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
And if the notion is that he's kind of brought
you in and you owe him this favor, is he
gonna be looking at you and saying, dude, I brought
you here.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know you're you're you're under my watch. You know?
How are those things gonna play out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, I just there's certain things that I get
and certain things I just go. I don't see any
way past that what I laid out, when you laid out,
I don't see that. Even if Lebron says, yeah, this
is great. Hey, I don't mind JJ coming in because
I can still be the head coach basically, right, But
that's not gonna We know that doesn't work, right. We
know that doesn't work and the Lakers don't wind up
getting far. I'd be the Jj Reddick thing. I think
(32:54):
he can do well. But La, I think you're asking
him to fail. I really think you are. The Jason
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There was Indiana Fever Radio Network Tonight. Seventy nine seventy
six was the final. Dallas winds up winning, but Caitlin
Clark scores twenty one. She hits five threes tonight. Suffice
it to say, I think she'll be okay in the WNBA.
And you know, look and I saw a lot, you
know a lot of these highlights you know, watching her,
you know, as we're getting ready for the show, it's
like they're not just letting her dribble the ball up court,
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like they were pressing her Ryan like up and down,
like this was like what she can expect to see.
And she still was able to break free and score
some points. You knew this welcome with the WNBA moment
was coming, but they guarded her, you know, the entire court,
up and down. She was still able to score twenty one.
So I feel even.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Better about thinking she's gonna be Okay, no that listen,
that's impressive. And here's the the way, just at any
level of basketball is trending is can you shoot the
deep three? And what's it think about Caitlyn Clark and
why she draws the Curry comparisons and she's so likable,
is that she shoots the three off the bounce well
and what that does It ends up open up the
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opening up the floor for you. And again we talked
about it earlier in the show. The girls spend their
time in college. Okay, they go to school and they
come in as a ready to go product and even
more so, they're coming fresh off of a season. So
for from the guys standpoint, after they play their seasons,
what do they have to do? They sit and they
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rest and they train and they adjust. They are hot
and they are fresh off depressions, so to speak. So
you know, for the women, man, they come in ready
to go. Caitlyn Clark has done well and I think
just honestly, man, I'm intrigued to see how she affects.
We saw what she did to the college game. What
is she gonna go to the WNBA? What is she
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gonna do to the pro game? That is the question
for just for women's basketball. You see the fan base
and she keeps playing like that and she only gets
better and better. Man, those looks are gonna be there.
But it's really actually exciting to see.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
So we'll have more on Caitlin Clark coming up in
a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Ask you this because I really you got you gotta
you gotta take us behind the curtain for something here, right,
because I want you know what I said, this is where.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Ryan's gonna help us out right.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This week we saw the latest player to be so
ill in the morning and then be able to have
a great game of night. Right, Luka, Doncic was so ill, questionable,
don't know if he's gonna play, and then he goes
up and basically puts up a triple double. Now I
know how I feel if I if if i'm what
I feel I can do during the day and what
I can't do during the day, and if I feel
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so bad during the day that that I can't do
my job, I'm not gonna suddenly magically get better and say,
oh yeah, now it's great. Now oh it's a couple
hours later, and not only do I feel do I
feel better? But I feel just as good and I
can put up my normal game. So I want to know,
like when we hear guys are ill, like, like, how
(37:03):
sick are they really? Like, I mean, really, is this
really sick? Is it's like, hey, you can go see
the team doctor and suddenly, hey, you're feeling better. I mean, like,
how sick are guys really? When we hear hey overcoming
illness to come play.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
At night, I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I've just gotten to the point and I forget what
game it was, but we were playing somebody. It's supposed
to be ill, you know, knee soreness, all that with
the whole spiel, and we got fried and it was like, well,
I thought his knee was messed up. I thought he
you know, he fell on his wrist or whatever and
was injured. And I remember going, I'm never.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Listening to this. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I wish I can remember who it was, dude, but
I'm like, I am never and I think I had
to guard him too. I'm like, I never listening to
the injury report again because it is false.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I do not believe it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And in fact, the Rockets Luca did that to the
Rockets this year. He comes in, he's on the injury
They're like, oh man, he almost broke his hand. Something's
going on, and I mean, I think it was it
was a fifty ball. No, he scored forty seven.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It was a near fifty ball seven like minutes to go,
and it was like no, like like he's hurt. You
gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, because I sit here and go, Okay, when
I'm feeling said like, do I have a good talance
for pain or do I have a bad talent for pain?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Or being sick, like my sick.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I know when I can do stuff when I can't
do I feel like I have a better time, Like
I don't know, But then I see stuff like this,
like going, oh yeah, the guy was so bad he
couldn't even get out of bed in the morning. And
then yeah, everything's fine. Yeah, I just scored fifty. I'm
feeling good, like I'm dubious about that game. Yoh yeah,
I mean really, I mean, I'm glad, but first of all,
I'm glad you shed some light on that forest, but
I'm also sorry you got taken by whoever that was.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It was sick and scored a lot of points on
h Yah, I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
No, it would not happen again, and it did. Okay,
there's nothing wrong with those guys.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Man exit.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
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We're doing a little bit.
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Ask Ryan what is next for some of these teams
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The way tire buying should be Well. I know, I'm
very happy, of course that you're here tonight because I
know if JJ Reddick's getting an interview to coach the Lakers,
you will be getting one as well.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So I'm glad you just you know, send.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Time to hang out with us before you know, the
Lakers come call, you can go coach Lebron and ad.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I don't know if it's that easy. But I'm glad
to be here. Man, Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, you could do yeah, yeah, come on, you've been
around the game for so long. Yeah, you're taller than
both of them. You could you could tell them what
to do.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey, JJ is beyond qualified. I played with JJ twice.
He's a good guy. He knows the game. And you know,
part of it is being a hot name right now, man,
And I love what JJ's doing.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, dude, if he can come which is ridiculous, he
can come from TV and no coaching at all into
doing it like you could do it, That means I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think if I got to Steve, Steve Kerr didn't
won a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean why not? Man, how about you and
I both go do it? How about you and I?
Because I need I need somebody. I could say, Hey,
for the really difficult basketball questions, I'll have Ryan Hollins,
so they'll be that. But I'll come in and I'll
make all the other like I'll make the uniform decisions
and like what time we practice and all kinds of stuff.
All the fun stuff, the basketball stuff I'll leave to you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I've seen crazier things happen in the NBA, and I'll
leave it at that. We've seen crazier things man.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, speaking of the NBA right now, Yes, Orlando sends
that series to seven games despite fifty from Donovan Mitchell
to be Cleveland one oh three ninety six. Meanwhile, Dallas
on top of the Clippers thirteen to six. This is
early in the first quarter. But obviously, yes, two big
stories tonight. We got Darvin Ham getting fired by the Lakers.
We have Caitlin Clark making her WNBA debut, but you
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know we have Dan Wake coming up in a few minutes.
Lakers insiders got a lot on Darvin Ham. I mean,
but here for a couple of minutes on him, big dog.
It's like nobody's is surprised at this. The Lakers have
a lot of dysfunction. And so yeah, of course, when
when you see Lebron James questioning Darvin Ham a post game,
when you see Anthony Davis questioning Darvin Ham post game,
Lebron is picking some play in the third quarter, why
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didn't you challenge it? And Anthony Davis is saying, I
don't know that We're all on the same page, Like
you knew what was going to happen. You knew, you
knew that there was going to be a coaching you
knew that Darvinham had outlived his usefulness and and and
he didn't have the locker room anymore. But like I'm
gonna say this, like I get it, but like there's
no magic pill. There's no magic coach coming in to
save the Lakers. Like they'll get somebody in with new
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ideas and you got to just kind of close your
eyes and hope. But like there's nobody out there where
you can say, oh, man, you know, you go get
this guy and suddenly this is how the pieces are
gonna fall into place for the Lakers. Unless I'm missing somebody.
But I don't think that job for the Lakers coaching
Lebron and Ad. I don't think that person exists right now.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's not a lot of a pill there. And the
reason being is Lebron James is always gonna be tough
to coach. The reason he's tough to coach is because
what are you gonna tell him? At this point? Lebron
in his career, needs a motivator. So if you can't
motivate him, there's not much you're gonna be able to
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say to him, that's gonna make him, you know, want
to play. And honestly, Lebron's opinion, he may feel like
he knows more than you know some of the coaches,
or the opportunity or hey, there may be moments where
he felt like he knew more than Darvin Ham, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I'm sure he had all moments when he thought
he knew more than Darwin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And at the end of the day, put Darvin in
a very compromising situation. And you can't blame Darvin. I
think he did a great job there. I just think
if you're going to be the head coach of the
Los Angeles Lakers, it is it's the toughest coaching position
to have in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you were coaching.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A megastar and you're the new name and you didn't
come up with those guys and you didn't have them,
you know, since they were young or a prior report,
it is the toughest thing that you were going to
be able to do because those guys don't want to
hear anything from you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
They don't want to hear anything from you. Like you said,
if they.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Have an opinion where they feel like they know more
than you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You're doomed. You were doomed, and that happened a Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Darvin was a part of a world championship team
right in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't think he takes all the blame, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I feel like the consensus is there and he's not
getting just you know, David Black got it bad man,
He's not getting blatted.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh. I like that.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We should have used that as an adverb or adjective,
you're getting blatted. We just did, Yeah, you got black.
I would patent that idea. Man, someone's gonna put that
on a T shirt and make a lot of money.
You had a patent I got. I got blatted, And
and every every coach that Lebron, that ever's fired coach
and Lebron, they're gonna wear it and they're gonna be
the poster guys, and you're gonna sell a lot of merchant.
Makes a lot to put it on the sign. That
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is like him pulling the sign in an airplane. Now
I see, Now that's copyright.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's copyright infringement. You got.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You gotta make sure you don't want to make any
checks out. You want to get all the money ry
and when you make billions, just remember the little people.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, don't bla, don't.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think I don't know if listen, Darvin will coach
again in the NBA, there's no question.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't think it'll just be ousted. We'll be in
a head coach. I don't know, but I think that
you know, you're not looking at it. I can't.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It is his fault. And in some ways, he took
a Laker roster that was just meshed together in moments
and went to a conference finals. So I mean, he
has had success in LA, it wasn't the success you expect.
And obviously, when you have a megastar like a Lebron,
you're supposed to be on the same page as him,
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and you know, it just didn't work out. But if anything,
you can say he wasn't on the same page with Lebron.
And unfortunately, the truth is as a head coach in
the NBA, it's not college basketball, it ain't overseas, but
your job is to be on the same page with
your players, and it's very hard to be on the
same page with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Look, and I don't know if maybe he's saying, hey,
you know what I could actually play and coach team
at the same time, just so you know, I could
be the I could be the first player coach he's
seen in the NBA at quite some time. But Russell,
you know, I mean I I there's nobody else out there,
and and yes, is it all Darvirenham's fault. No, but
I get that he had to go because when you
do lose your stars and no one's gonna right that
(07:00):
message said. You know, he's not gonna get Austin Reeves
and Ruey Hotchimoor to buy in if Lebron and a
d are not butt and so you do need at
least another voice there so it's not so dysfunctional. But
to think that there's there's somebody there that's gonna suddenly
jump in and say, yes, I'm gonna go coach the
Lakers unless someone seismically shakes away from a job that
we think, uh is, you know, they would never leave,
(07:22):
like unless Greg Popovich suddenly says, hey, I want to leave.
I don't like this Wemby kid, I'm coming to l
I want to coach the Lakers, Like unless something like
that happens. I don't know the guys out there I
don't know the best thing they could do is to
go back and say, okay, look, Phoenix, you're just gonna
fire Frank Vogel. Right, okay, right, we got we got it.
You don't like him, You want to hear it. You
hat all these all these stars you're paying money to
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didn't work out. You got swept in the first round.
You're gonna fire Frank Vogel. I don't know the best
thing isn't try to say, hey, are all is everything cool?
U have have have have a have all the ill
will been been pushed away. Can Frank Vogel come back?
Because clearly, look it did work, they did win a title.
They would be better defensively. I know that for a
(08:03):
fact if Vogel was the head coach. But is as
too much going under the bridge that he can't bring
him back, or would it be boy, we won a
title with him, Maybe it's best if we all get
back and do it, because you know, you're looking at
the guy that won a title that would be available
it's offseason. It just so happens to be the guy
that coaching to a title and then got fired because
you know, Lebron, you couldn't get on the same page.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And again, I think the tough part for me and
the frustration that sets in is that we see it
happen a lot. And obviously I'm not in the locker room,
so I can't speak. I'm not trying to find out
the sources or why things are happening or not happening.
But the grass is not always greener. A lot of
times it's not. On the other side, look at Milwaukee,
Mike Buenholzer. You know, it probably didn't get on the
(08:45):
same page with Janis Gianni's probably felt like certain things
were different, a different voice to push him over the top.
And in fact, they couldn't get back to just to
where they were. They couldn't even it, couldn't make it
out the first round. Maybe it matter of health. There's
a lot of things going on there. So I don't
think the grass is always greener. And unfortunately, like I
feel like we're seeing this a lot. Hey, Phoenix, Monty
(09:06):
can Koch. Obviously things aren't great over in in Detroit.
That's not his fault. They're going young. But at the
end of the day, I just think I see these
coaching changes that are just so unnecessary. They're and they're
not upgrades. They're like sideway steps, you know, sometimes steps backwards.
It's not that you're bringing in a coach that doesn't
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know what he's doing. Is not that darfern Ham didn't
know what he's doing as opposed to Frank Vogel. It
was just that it was a different voice, and sometimes
a different voice, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Is not needed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like how you're you're very nice, so by saying,
you know, things aren't going great in Detroit for money, no,
but here's the thing that they're being really nice, right.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, but they're rebuilding in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So you can't say, hey, MANI take this rebuilding roster
and go, you know, do whatever they're rebuilding.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Man, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Uh So, we will have more on this game coming
up in a few or more on this topic coming
up in a few minutes. When Lakers inside her Dan
Woyke stops by because the Lakers just look like they're stuck. Meanwhile,
it's finally over, maybe the most anticipated WNBA game in history.
Caitlin Clark and the Indiana Fever fall to Dallas seventy
(10:19):
nine seventy six. Rikuo Gunbiwally hits a big three with
a couple of seconds left to win the game. Caitlin
Clark missed a big time contested three in the deep
corner that would have tied the game, so they give
her the ball for the final shot in this game,
the fever loose in her WNBA debut seventy nine seventy six.
But Caitlyn Clark, let me tell you what she did
(10:40):
tonight For everybody who thinks, oh, she's not gonna be
a star, the wait yet whatever. In twenty eight minutes,
Caitlyn Clark tonight went for twenty one points. She had
sixteen in the first half. She made five threes, including
one from the logo. She was able to shake free
and get her shot, and it looks like things are
gonna be just fined. So everybody who had the ridiculous
(11:01):
take of, you know, the best player we've ever seen
in the history of college basketball, who has scored more
points at the high level D one level than anybody
else in history, was going to struggle coming into the WNBA. Yeah,
I think that's out the window. I think Caitlyn Clark
is going to be just fine. Got to see some
of the game tonight and see some of her highlights
and great footwork as she always had, is able to
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step back and get her shots at.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Kaitlyn Clark's going to be just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Here's the thing too, that you have in the WNBA
is that the women take their time in college and
back in the day before the one and Don's and
you know, everybody came out of high school. As far
as you know, NBA basketball, those college basketball wasn't watered down.
And when I say that is that you had four
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year college guys stepping into the NBA.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Kind of like ready to play.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But on the women's side, you get that, and that's
why you see it Kaitlin Clark stepping in and doing well,
and she doesn't have the same level of rookie lumps. Now,
all the players in the WNBA, we got to add,
they're not there yet. A lot of them are still
coming over from overseas, so she's still gonna have her
work cut out. But you know a lot of times
those women are more equipped. And you think about like
(12:10):
a Cannas Parker, if I'm not mistaken, she came right
over and in her first year won a WNBA championships.
So you know you will see that a lot on
the women's side where they're they're prepared.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Man, They're like they're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Here's how her first buckets sounded. First WNBA basket for
Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Forty five blocks last year at Clark for Dree Clark.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
They said, she has redefined what a good shot is.
Look how far out she was.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
There.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It is Fever Radio Network on the call again. She
had four threes in the first half. It was a
great debut for she was a game high plus six
for Indiana. I just I just really have this question, Ryan,
because I understand all the philosophies regarding television rights and
and and where games are. And yes, this game was
available on the WNBA app, but you're looking to open
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your sport to a whole group of people, and you're
looking for dominant ratings. There was no way to put
this game on national TV. Really, there was no way
to put Caitlin Clark's first WNBA game on national TV
where it would have beat the crap out of whatever
magic Cavs is gonna be. I mean, I don't know
what they're at, but but Caitlin Clark's WNBA debut was
gonna be much more. You knew she was gonna play
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a lot play all the way. I don't understand how
all this coming in. Yeah, oh by the way, Yeah
you can't. You gotta download the app.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
You gotta.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I get we want to push the app, we
want to push things. But this is about marketing someone
who's gonna change your game, like Magic and Larry change
the NBA in nineteen eighty, Like, this is about getting
her out to as many people as possible. And the
first time you can see her on TV, Nope, can't.
It's gotta be local only. Like you couldn't find a way.
You couldn't find some deal to strike. You knew this
was coming. Hey let's get her first game on television.
(13:59):
I mean, I know we're gonna get all her games
on national TV in the regular season, but there's such
a thirst to see her plane now and how many
people would have wanted to see it, and they couldn't
figure out a way. Really they No, they couldn't figure
out with any network to figure out some kind of
deal where hey, we can show this game on national
TV and everybody could see it.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I mean, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And for those who want to argue the Women's championship.
I mean just out out did every single uh you
know rating on the on the men's side, and did
you know historic numbers? But you're right, I don't think
that we have caught up to what we're seeing yet, so.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I cannot argue that point there. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know, hats off to the ladies though, I mean,
I mean seriously, and you're you're right, that is going
to be a call that's going to be made of, Hey,
can we we see these ladies on national TV or
a way to see Caitlin clark Er. I'm sure that
you know, maybe some of the streaming services. I know
the NBA deal is up. I'm not sure if the
women's rights are are within that also or you know,
(15:00):
kind of a way to manage, but you know that'll
be And it's funny you bring it up because the
women they want equal play, they want you know, higher
revenue split. You know, the the NBA is turning to
a place hopefully where it can make money. So and
the questions still are there because you know, it was
the college game that made money and now you're gonna say, hey,
is the w NBA gonna make this big turnaround?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know? And and a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And I wasn't old enough to really understand this, but
the real value of Magic and Bird their rivalry is
that it brought awareness to the NBA, and it peaked
everyone's interest, and that Michael Jordan took that interest and
he ran with it. And then we've seen Lebron James,
who taking the game to a whole other level. And
you're looking at Caitlin Clark and you're looking at Angel
(15:45):
Reese and those ladies and saying, hey, are you guys
gonna be the ones that take the game to the
next level?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Is that who who is gonna be? So you're right,
I am interested to see And is there gonna be
a big enough fuss that says you want to see
these games? Because you can't just talk about it. Mike,
you got you gotta step up.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know you're doing a whole lot of chirping, man,
you gotta step up.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Exit out about a Fresco. Ryan at the Ryan Hollins
Jasons with Ryan Hollins in for Harmon tonight. UH seven
sixteen is the time. It is twenty five twenty four
Dallas with the lead over the Clippers, one forty eight
to go. In the first quarter. We'll have more on
this game, but coming up next, we'll stop by with
Lakers insider Dan Moyki get all the inside scoop on
(16:32):
why Darvin Ham had to go and who might be next.
Maybe it's JJ Reddick, maybe it's Ryan Hollins. We'll see
that's next. Fox.
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Ryan Hollins in f Mike Harmon tonight right now, Dallas
into the first quarter leads the Clippers thirty four to
twenty six in the closeout game, Paul George leading the
way for the Lakers with ten meanwhile Luca with fourteen
and four helpers already for the Mavericks as they look
(17:53):
to get onto the second round. We'll have more on
this coming up in a few minutes. But as we
spoke about a few minutes ago, darv and Haim is
no longer the head coach, And if the Lakers are
potentially jumping into television, maybe it's JJ Reddick. Maybe it
could be our next guest. It could be Lakers insider
with the La Times and longtime front of the show
Dan Wiki.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
If you need a reference, I am here for you
for your Lakers head coaching interview, Jase.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
And I appreciate that I better you than Ryan by
the way on that list for me. Wow, I think
I think it would just you know, right knows too
much about me, too much information you need like the
casual reference. You don't want anybody can answer any serious questions.
You want people to be able to answer n surface once.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hey, so about you. I heard the story that when
he traveled on the road, he used to like, uh,
go into other people's rooms and take money.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Dress Do you know about that?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know, the money off the dresser. He used to
he used to dress up as someone who worked in
the in the in the in the hotel and take money.
Do you know anything? No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Wow, I guess you can't hire that guy.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Okay, then, like seriously, like Ryan, this toperates the same
for Ryan. If somebody ever asked me to like give
Ryan a reference, I would say, good guy, but like seriously,
like it's all metabolism, Like he looks like a hardworking athlete,
but it's just really genetics, like eat like a seven
year old child.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm telling everybody about secrets, right.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Aren't you right? Aren't you a professional athlete? And it's
just like more natchos. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I like that. It's really all genetics.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, he's not going to give you anything, but
I will tell you this, You're gonna have to order
more for the postgame buffet because he's going to eat
a lot of it and there won't be enough left
for some of the guys. Yeah, So say, I'm learning
more about you and Ryan.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I like that. Ryan.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
We'll talk about your we'll get to that Oh no,
I think that's done now, Dan, I think you're done.
I'm sorry, I think that's over now. All right, So listen,
we knew that Darvinham was going to be let go.
It was was a fade of complete when your best
players are questioning your coaching acumen, like ad question not
being on the same page the entire team and Lebron
(20:09):
very upset over a third quarter challenge. It wasn't made.
You knew the call had to be made. Was it
just that simple that, hey, Lebron and he lost Lebron
and a D or was there more than that?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I mean, I really don't even think those two incidents
had a lot to do with it. Maybe the AD
thing a little. I mean, look, the challenge thing. I'll
just say this, like if teams listened to star players
on challenges every time, you need to lose a lot
of challenges, like and I understand that he was right
that time. Lebron has been plenty wrong on plenty of
(20:42):
challenges this season. So I don't think that it was that.
I think to me, though, like, I mean, this all starts,
you know, way earlier. This probably actually starts in November,
you know, when the team goes away from Austin Reeves
for Cam Reddish in the starting lineup, and that was
the first of kind of a series of decisions in
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which the guys that were a part of the core
of last year's team that sort of saved the season,
there was really six of them, right, of those six,
basically each one other than Lebron James Anthony Davis at
one point or another this season was told you're coming
off the bench, you know, and that was Ruy Hatamurrow
to start the season, Jared Vanderbilt as he worked back
(21:25):
and was ready to start, you know again, and starting
lineups did not getting that nod. Austin Reeves started and
then didn't and then started again, Dangela Russell started and
then didn't, then started again, and then kind of you know,
what makes what makes it worse, right is that within
all that experimentation, one sort of injuries and everything lineup
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and they it forces the Lakers and forces Darvin Ham
to go with you know, Ruy Hachimura, Austin Reeves, d
Angelo Russell, Lebron, James Anthony Davis. Then the team goes
and wins seventy five percent of their remaining games. You know,
so I think it just took them too long to
get to that point, and players wanted to be there.
And you know, when you're tinkering and you know you're
(22:08):
hovering around five hundred and you feel like you're better
than that, and then you finally get to sort of
your idea, it's sort of like, dude, like, come on, man, like, well,
that's what we should have been all along. And I
think that's where it starts more so than anything else
on that front, right, and then there's the stuff you
hear about in game adjustments and things like that. I
don't think this was a one or two problem issue.
(22:32):
I also, by the way, I think that if you
think that just because now you've replaced Darvin Hammer, you're
going to replace Darvin Ham, that all these other issues
are going to go away, I think it's crazy too,
you know, but for this team right now. I mean,
he had fans channing for his job after Game three.
It's just there are too much truth bases out of
the tube. I think it is probably the best way
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to kind of start over with him again next season.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And Dan, it's safe to say that Darvin knew, you know,
even taking the Laker job. Is probably outside of the
nick job, the most heavily scrutinized position, coaching position in sports.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But what are you hearing? What's the direction?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You have a aging Lebron James who can still play
at a very high level. You have Anthony Davis who
kind of battles injuries off and on, and you have
a roster, as you just mentioned, kind of message together.
You had kind of the defenders on one side, and
then you had the guys who the core, who had
been there, who just got paid, who.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Cut the scoring on the other side. So what direction
do you go in?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Maybe from a managerial standpoint and from a coaching standpoint
if you're the Lakers and you know obviously you know
Lebron has say and pulling things.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But how involved will he be?
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, I mean, Ryan, I think he'll be involved, right,
But I do sort of think that his like his
juice in some ways is a little overstated at this
point that you know, the team has really operated in
a way that's been what they view to be best
for the team. You know, I mean Lebron is pretty
clearly on the record with sort of what he thinks
(24:06):
about draft picks. You know, of the the bleeps them
picks school of generally speaking right. And look, the team
has been in situations on Draft Day where they could
have thrown picks together in trade and post Russell Westbrook,
like they haven't done that. They had you know, the
biggest move they made was sort of undoing that kind
of star driven trade. And you know, to believe me,
(24:29):
I mean, Lebron James wanted some versions that done before
the Lakers eventually did it, right, Like he knew it
wasn't working, thought they should move on, and they waited,
you know, like stuff like that's happening, you know. I mean, look,
I mean five years ago or however long it was
when the Lakers hired Frank Bogel. They didn't hire Tylou
and we know how Lebron James feels about Tyleru. We
(24:51):
know who Lebron James wanted to play for, and they
hired Frank Bogel. So so I mean I think, like,
you know, he's obviously a really important voice. He is
basically at the center of everything that you do. For
the reasons you mentioned. He's still an All NBA player
in year twenty one, which is crazy. He's good enough
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to establish things like a career high in three point
percentage this year. He's good enough for them to be close,
Like they really were close against Denver. And you know
the issue is for the Lakers though, like close doesn't
mean much. You know, this is an organization Ryan that
you know hangs in season tournament banners. They're about championships
in Lakerland. I'm just kidding, but like you know, they
(25:35):
are about titles.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right, So if I could read what you're saying, Dan J.
Moore is the next head coach. If I can read,
is that what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
You might get an interview? I think, But I mean
I think like as you look at this, you know
what I mean, it's a it is a tricky job.
I mean, I wrote a piece today for the only
Times that basically looks at there's like functionally three three
lanes of candidates that they can look at. You know,
the Lakers thing to do would be to hire somebody
who's been a head coach before. Typically when they've gotten
(26:04):
something wrong, they go and do the exact opposite. No,
I mean, he has a job, you know what I mean?
Like I think, like had Doc Rivers been available, Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You said the name you said, the name Doc Rivers.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
They absolutely would have looked at him, but like, he's
not available, right, Like think I think.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
He will be. I think he will be in a
couple of days.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
He's free. He's not available, you know. But we're talking
about guys like Kenny Atkinson, right, We're talking about Terry
Stotts is the guy they've tried to hire twice as
an assistant coach. You know. I think James Barrego is
pretty well thought of as a coach and you know,
had some success in Charlotte, maybe just needs to work,
you know, for a more serious organization, like like you know,
(26:49):
those are the kinds of names that you're talking about
when you're talk about like sort of establishment level coaches.
Nobody in there that you feel like right away you're like,
we've got our guy.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Then you look at sort of the top line assistance,
which is kind of how they landed on Darvin Ham.
And I think there's a resistance to trying to do
the same thing. I don't think that's right. I think
that's a bad process. But you know, there is some
resistance to be like we tried this and it didn't work,
and then there's the wild cards, and it's a guy
that Ryan and I both know pretty well who may
(27:22):
or may not have a basketball strategy podcast with a
guy who's important on the Lakers, and we know and
we know like that's and he may be interested in coaching. Again,
it's not really would not be the kind of thing
the Lakers typically would do when it comes to like
how they've made mistakes, they usually do, like if you
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look at their coaching, they usually do the opposite, right,
establishment guy or they had like kind of an outsider
and Mike D'Antoni they're playing with Byron Scott, like the
ultimate Laker insider, right, Byron Scott had a lot of experience,
didn't work out, They needed new blood. Who they hire
Luke Walton? Didn't work out with Luke Walton? Who did
they hire? All experience coaches, that's who they looked at. Next, right,
(28:05):
didn't work there, They went to first time head coach.
So like there is a pattern here for them getting back,
you know, over a decade as they've gone through this
coach and you know, churn. But I mean, I think
I think the situation is such that they should cast
a pretty wide net and if the situation is wide open,
you know, maybe end up with something kind of wild Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
One to ten.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
How serious are these talks with JJ Reddick? And we
saw it with Steve Curry won championships, obviously different roster,
different situation, but like, how serious is this?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I mean, I look, I mean, I don't you know,
I don't think they've like progressed anything like in any
real sort of meaningful way at this point. But I
mean I've heard his name a lot when I've talked
to my sources, Like it's a name that comes up,
you know. And I think there is a respect for
JJ's basketball mind. I mean, Ryan, you and I both
(28:59):
know him very well. I think he is a very
a very thoughtful person when he comes to basketball, very
detail oriented, a lot of sort of traits he would
want out of a coach. I think, you know, for
speaking totally frankly about JJ, I would wonder about you know,
I mean, JJ's a perfectionist and has a very He's
(29:22):
a very hard worker and approach the game a very
specific way, and I would wonder how he would mesh with,
say a twenty year old enter in the league that
approaches the game in a very different way. I think
that would be that's going to be an interesting challenge
for him. But I know Jaj like, if he's going
to do it, he's going to give it everything. And
you know, the one thing about a guy like that
(29:43):
is he's not doing it for the check. You know,
he doesn't need the money. He'd be doing it because
he loves basketball and he loves challenging himself in basketball.
And that's kind of where I'm at with him. I look,
I think he's a candidate. I it's hard to say
how serious of one. I think he's a cannonate.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's on Twitter at dan wiki sports That is at
dan wiki Sports Lakers Insider. Check out his latest on
the La Times as well. Dan has always many appreciated. Man,
we'll talk to you.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Soon, Hey, will we'll talk to you. Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, we're gonna need that Bronnie James draft profile done
pretty soon, so let us know.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
When you're done. All right, there goes Dan Waki.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know, here's the thing, Ryan, and I get JJ Reddick,
and I understand his basketball acumen, and I understand what
a hard worker he is, and I get all of this,
but I I just come back to a couple of
things is that this is the Lakers. Is a guy
gonna come from the league where he was an okay player.
Wasn't great, he was an okay player. He's been on
(30:47):
TV doling out hot takes for the last couple of years, Right,
that's kind of what he does, right, he thought, Hey,
I'm a media guy, I'm doling out hot takes. He's
gonna walk into the Lakers locker room and a d
and Lebron are gonna buy in. I mean, that's the
whole thing. I don't I don't doubt that he could
be a successful head coach because look, succesful life coaches
has come from anywhere. But he's really gonna walk into
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that Lakers locker and Lebron's gonna say, hey, whatever coach says,
you know, hey, we follow coach by. I mean, really,
that's just not gonna happen. That that just isn't gonna happen.
And I feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
For the Lakers. Well, here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Lebron is still the guy, okay, and you have to
find someone that Lebron respects, but he's also like cool
with because if you get someone that's just too friendly
with Lebron, Lebron is gonna, you know, when you're it's
very hard to play and coach and think outside of
what you need to do. And there are moments where
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Lebron needs to be challenged. Every player, I don't care
how old, how young, you need to be challenged and
someone who can challenge him. But you can't get someone
so tight that you end up turning people.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Off because it's my way or the highway.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So you gotta find someone who is a master of
their words, has enough of a personality, infectious personality that
guys want to buy in, someone that can motivate an
age Lebron James who's done any and everything on the book.
And the question with JJ may are you gonna be
too friendly Lebron? Are you gonna be straight.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Up with him? Is he gonna take you seriously?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
And if the notion is that he's kind of brought
you in and you owe him this favor, is he
gonna be looking at you and saying, dude, I brought
you here.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know you're you're you're under my watch. You know?
How are those things gonna play out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, I just there's certain things that I get
and certain things I just go. I don't see any
way past that what I laid out, when you laid out,
I don't see that. Even if Lebron says, yeah, this
is great. Hey, I don't mind JJ coming in because
I can still be the head coach basically, right, But
that's not gonna We know that doesn't work, right. We
know that doesn't work and the Lakers don't wind up
getting far. I'd be the Jj Reddick thing. I think
(32:54):
he can do well. But La, I think you're asking
him to fail. I really think you are. The Jason
Smith Show. Ron Hollind's in for Mike Harbon tonight. Coming
up next, Well, a basketball question I've been wanting to
ask Row ever since I found out Big Dog we
were doing the show tonight. I said, Okay, I got
to hit you with this question. I've wanted to ask
you for a long time. It's coming up next. It's
got to do with stuff going on in the playoffs
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this week. That's coming up next right here, This is
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you have your WNBA debut that everybody is looking at
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Speaker 3 (34:03):
Career high assist.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Her game best as sister turnover ratio in her career
last season, Clark gets away with a little push Talloway
Barry's in and a little reaction to the crowd.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
There was Indiana Fever Radio Network Tonight. Seventy nine seventy
six was the final. Dallas winds up winning, but Caitlin
Clark scores twenty one. She hits five threes tonight. Suffice
it to say, I think she'll be okay in the WNBA.
And you know, look and I saw a lot, you
know a lot of these highlights you know, watching her,
you know, as we're getting ready for the show, it's
like they're not just letting her dribble the ball up court,
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like they were pressing her Ryan like up and down,
like this was like what she can expect to see.
And she still was able to break free and score
some points. You knew this welcome with the WNBA moment
was coming, but they guarded her, you know, the entire court,
up and down. She was still able to score twenty one.
So I feel even.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Better about thinking she's gonna be Okay, no that listen,
that's impressive. And here's the the way, just at any
level of basketball is trending is can you shoot the
deep three? And what's it think about Caitlyn Clark and
why she draws the Curry comparisons and she's so likable,
is that she shoots the three off the bounce well
and what that does It ends up open up the
(35:16):
opening up the floor for you. And again we talked
about it earlier in the show. The girls spend their
time in college. Okay, they go to school and they
come in as a ready to go product and even
more so, they're coming fresh off of a season. So
for from the guys standpoint, after they play their seasons,
what do they have to do? They sit and they
(35:37):
rest and they train and they adjust. They are hot
and they are fresh off depressions, so to speak. So
you know, for the women, man, they come in ready
to go. Caitlyn Clark has done well and I think
just honestly, man, I'm intrigued to see how she affects.
We saw what she did to the college game. What
is she gonna go to the WNBA? What is she
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gonna do to the pro game? That is the question
for just for women's basketball. You see the fan base
and she keeps playing like that and she only gets
better and better. Man, those looks are gonna be there.
But it's really actually exciting to see.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
So we'll have more on Caitlin Clark coming up in
a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Ask you this because I really you got you gotta
you gotta take us behind the curtain for something here, right,
because I want you know what I said, this is where.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Ryan's gonna help us out right.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This week we saw the latest player to be so
ill in the morning and then be able to have
a great game of night. Right, Luka, Doncic was so ill, questionable,
don't know if he's gonna play, and then he goes
up and basically puts up a triple double. Now I
know how I feel if I if if i'm what
I feel I can do during the day and what
I can't do during the day, and if I feel
(36:43):
so bad during the day that that I can't do
my job, I'm not gonna suddenly magically get better and say,
oh yeah, now it's great. Now oh it's a couple
hours later, and not only do I feel do I
feel better? But I feel just as good and I
can put up my normal game. So I want to know,
like when we hear guys are ill, like, like, how
(37:03):
sick are they really? Like, I mean, really, is this
really sick? Is it's like, hey, you can go see
the team doctor and suddenly, hey, you're feeling better. I mean, like,
how sick are guys really? When we hear hey overcoming
illness to come play.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
At night, I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I've just gotten to the point and I forget what
game it was, but we were playing somebody. It's supposed
to be ill, you know, knee soreness, all that with
the whole spiel, and we got fried and it was like, well,
I thought his knee was messed up. I thought he
you know, he fell on his wrist or whatever and
was injured. And I remember going, I'm never.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Listening to this. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I wish I can remember who it was, dude, but
I'm like, I am never and I think I had
to guard him too. I'm like, I never listening to
the injury report again because it is false.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I do not believe it.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And in fact, the Rockets Luca did that to the
Rockets this year. He comes in, he's on the injury
They're like, oh man, he almost broke his hand. Something's
going on, and I mean, I think it was it
was a fifty ball. No, he scored forty seven.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It was a near fifty ball seven like minutes to go,
and it was like no, like like he's hurt. You
gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, because I sit here and go, Okay, when
I'm feeling said like, do I have a good talance
for pain or do I have a bad talent for pain?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Or being sick, like my sick.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I know when I can do stuff when I can't
do I feel like I have a better time, Like
I don't know, But then I see stuff like this,
like going, oh yeah, the guy was so bad he
couldn't even get out of bed in the morning. And
then yeah, everything's fine. Yeah, I just scored fifty. I'm
feeling good, like I'm dubious about that game. Yoh yeah,
I mean really, I mean, I'm glad, but first of all,
I'm glad you shed some light on that forest, but
I'm also sorry you got taken by whoever that was.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It was sick and scored a lot of points on
h Yah, I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
No, it would not happen again, and it did. Okay,
there's nothing wrong with those guys.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Man exit.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
How about a fresco Ryan at Ryan Hollands Jason Smith
former NBA star Ryan Hollins with US now Houston Rockets
analyst as well. Coming up next, you little thing.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
We're doing a little bit.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Ask Ryan what is next for some of these teams
that had unceremonious exits out of the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
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