May 4, 2024 • 52 mins
Jason Smith and Ryan Hollins get you all caught up on the NBA Playoffs and Caitlin Clark’s WNBA Preseason debut. And the guys are joined by LA times Lakers Beat Writer Dan Woike for all the latest on the team and the firing of head coach Darvin Ham. Plus, Longtime NFL Insider Jason Cole swings by for all the big news from the gridiron!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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(00:49):
I know, I'm very happy, of course that you hear
tonight because I know if JJ Reddicks getting an interview
to coach the Lakers, you will be getting one as well.
So I'm glad you just you know, send time to
out with us before you know the Lakers come call,
you can go coach Lebron and AD. I don't know
if it's that easy. But I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Man, Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, you could do yeah, yeah, come on, you've been
around the game for so long. Yeah, you're taller than
both of them. You could you could tell them what
to do.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey, JJ is beyond qualified. I played with JJ twice.
He's a good guy. He knows the game. And you know,
part of it is being a hot name right now, man,
and I love what JJ's doing.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, Dude, if he can cut, which is ridiculous, he
can come from TV and no coaching at all into
doing it like you could do it. That means I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think if I got to be TV Steve Kerr
didn won a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean why not? Man, how about you and
I both go do it? How about you and I?
Because I need I need somebody. I could say, Hey,
for the really difficult basketball questions, I'll have Ryan Hollins,
so they'll be that. But I'll come and I'll make
all the other like I'll make the uniform decisions and
like what time we practice and all kinds of stuff.
All the fun stuff, the basketball stuff I'll leave to you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I've seen crazier things happen in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It at that we've seen crazier things, man, Well, speaking
of the NBA right now, Yes, Orlando sends that series
to seven games despite fifty from Donovan Mitchell to be
Cleveland one oh three ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Meanwhile, Dallas on top of the Clippers thirteen to six.
This is early in the first quarter. But obviously, yes,
two big stories tonight. We got Darvin Ham getting fired
by the Lakers. We have Caitlin Clark making her WNBA debut,
but you know, we have Dan Wake coming up in
a few minutes. Lakers insiders got a lot on Darvin Ham,
I mean, but but here for a couple of minutes
(02:35):
on him, big dog. It's like nobody's is surprised at this.
The Lakers have a lot of dysfunction, and so yeah,
of course, when when you see Lebron James questioning Darvin
Ham a post game, when you see Anthony Davis questioning
Darvinham post game, Lebron is picking some play in the
third quarter, why didn't you challenge it? And Anthony Davis
is saying, I don't know that We're all on the
same page, like you knew what was gonna happen. You knew,
(02:57):
you knew that there was going to be a coaching
and you knew that Darvinham had outlived his usefulness and
and he didn't have the locker room anymore. But like
I'm gonna say this, like I get it, but like
there's no magic pill. There's no magic coach coming in
to save the Lakers. Like they'll get somebody in with
new ideas and you got to just kind of close
your eyes and hope. But there's nobody out there where
you can say, oh, man, you know, you go get
(03:18):
this guy and suddenly this is how the pieces are
gonna fall into place for the Lakers. Unless I'm missing somebody,
But I don't think that job for the Lakers coaching
Lebron and Ad. I don't think that person exists right now.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's not a lot of appill there. And the reason
being is Lebron James is always going to be tough
to coach. And the reason he's tough to coach is
because what are you going to tell him? At this point.
Lebron in his career needs a motivator. So if you
can't motivate him, there's not much you're gonna be able
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to say to him that's gonna make him, you know,
want to play. And honestly, Lebron's opinion, he may feel
like he knows more than you know of some of
the coaches or the opportunity or hey, there may be
moments where he felt like he knew more than Darvin Ham,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I'm sure he had all moments when he thought
he knew more than Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And at the end of the day put Darvin in
a very compromising situation. And you can't blame Darvin. I
think he did a great job there. I just think
if you're going to be the head coach of the
Los Angeles Lakers, it is it's the toughest coaching position
to have in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you were coaching.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A megastar and you're the new name and you didn't
come up with those guys and you didn't have them,
you know, since they were young or a prior report,
it is the toughest thing that you were going to
be able to do because those guys don't want to
hear anything from you.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
They don't want to hear anything from you.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Like you said, if they have an opinion where they
feel like they know more than you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You're doomed. You were doomed, and that happened at Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Darvin was a part of a world championship team
right in Milwaukee. I don't think he takes all the blame,
and I appreciate that. I feel like the consensus is
there and he's not getting just you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Know, David Black got it bad man.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's not getting blatted.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh I like that. We should have used that as
an adverb or adjective. You're getting blatted. Oh yeah, you
got black. I would patent that idea. Man, someone's gonna
put that on a T shirt and make a lot
of money. You had a patent I got I got blatted,
And every every coach that Lebron, that ever's fired coach
and Lebron, they're gonna wear it and they're gonna be
the poster guys. And you're gonna sell a lot of merchant,
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make a lot. Put it on the sign. That is
like him pulling the sign in an airplane. Now I see,
Now that's copyright. That's copyright infringement. You gotta make sure
you don't want to make any checks out. You want
to get all the money come right, And when you
make billions.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Just remember the little people.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, don't blat.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think I don't know if listen, Darvin will coach
again in the NBA, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't think it'll just be ousted. We'll be in
a head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I don't know, but I think that you know, you're
not looking at it. I can it's his fault and
in some ways he took a Laker roster that was
just meshed together in moments and went to.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
A conference finals.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So I mean, he has had success in LA, it
wasn't the success you expect. And obviously, when you have
a megastar like a Lebron, you're supposed to be on
the same same page as him, and you.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Know, it just didn't work out.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
But if anything, you can say he wasn't on the
same page with Lebron. And unfortunately, the truth is as
a head coach in the NBA, it's not college basketball,
it ain't overseas, but your job is to be on
the same page with your players, and it's very hard
to be on the same page with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Look, and I don't know if maybe he's said, hey,
you know what, I could actually play and coach team
at the same time, just so you know, I could
be the I could be the first player coach he's
seen in the NBA at quite some time. But Russell,
you know, I mean I I there's nobody else out there,
and and yes, is it all Darvirenham's fault. No, but
I get that he had to go because when you
do lose your stars, no one's gonna listen. Right that
(07:00):
message said, you know he's not gonna get Austin Reeves
and Ruey hot Chimoor to buy in if Lebron and
ad or not butt it, and so you do need
at least another voice there so it's not so dysfunctional.
But to think that there's there's somebody there that's gonna
suddenly jump in and say, yes, I'm gonna go coach
the Lakers unless someone seismically shakes away from a job
that we think, uh is you know, they would never leave,
(07:22):
like unless Greg Popovich suddenly says, hey, I want to leave.
I'm not like this Wemby kid, I'm coming to LA.
I want to coach the Lakers, like unless something like
that happens. I don't know the guys out there. I
don't know the best thing they could do is to
go back and say, okay, look, Phoenix, you're just gonna
fire Frank Vogel. Right, okay, right, we got we got it.
You don't like him, you want to get it. You
got all these got all these stars you're paying money to.
(07:43):
Didn't work out, you got swept in the first round.
You're gonna fire Frank Vogel. I don't know. The best
thing isn't try to say, hey, are all is everything cool?
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Have have have have all? Have all the ill will
been been pushed away? Can Frank Vogel come back? Because clearly,
look it did work, they did win a title. They
would be better defensively. I know that for a fact.
If Fogel was a head coach but has too much
going under the bridge that he can't bring him back,
or would it be boy, we won a title with him,
Maybe it's best if we all get back and do it,
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because you know, you're looking at the guy that won
a title that would be available it's offseason. It just
so happens to be the guy that coaching to a
title and then got fired because you know, Lebron, you
couldn't get on the same paging again.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I think the tough part for me and the frustration
that sets in is that we see it happen a lot.
And obviously I'm not in the locker room, so I
can't speak. I'm not trying to find out the sources
or why things are happening or not happening. But the
grass is not always greener, and a lot of times
it's not. On the other side, look at Milwaukee, Mike Buenholzer,
you know it probably didn't get on the same page
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with Janis Jianna's probably felt like certain things were different,
a different voice to push him over the top, and
in fact they couldn't get back to just to where
they were. They could even couldn't make it out the
first round. It maybe a matter of health. There's a
lot of things going on there. So I don't think
the grass is always greener, and unfortunately, like I feel
like we're seeing this a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Hey, Phoenix, Monty can Koch.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Obviously things aren't great over in in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That's not his fault. They're going young.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But at the end of the day, I just think
I see these coaching changes that are just so unnecessary.
They're and they're not upgrades, they're like sideway steps, you know,
sometimes steps backwards. And it's not that you're bringing in
a coach that doesn't know what he's doing. Is not
that Darvin Ham didn't know what he's doing as opposed
to Frank Vogel. It was just that it was a
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different voice, and sometimes a different voice, in my opinion,
is not needed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like how you you're very nice, so by saying
you know, things aren't going great in Detroit for mon No.
But here's the thing that's they're being really nice, right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, but they're rebuilding in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So you can't say, hey, MANI take this rebuilding roster
and go, you know, do whatever they're rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Man, I'll tell you. So we will have more on
this game coming up in a few or more on
this topic coming up in a few minutes. When Lakers
inside her Dan Wooka stops by because the Lakers just
look like they're stuck. Meanwhile, it's finally over, maybe the
most anticipated WNBA game in history. Caitlin Clark and the
Indiana Fever fall to Dallas seventy nine seventy six. Rikueo
(10:21):
Gunbiwally hits a big three with a couple of seconds left,
to win the game. Caitlyn Clark missed a big time
contested three in the deep corner that would have tied
the game, so they give her the ball for the
final shot in this game, the fever loose in her
WNBA debut seventy nine, seventy six. But Caitlyn Clark, let
me tell you what she did tonight For everybody who thinks, oh,
(10:42):
she's not gonna be a star of the wait yet whatever.
In twenty eight minutes, Caitlyn Clark tonight went for twenty
one points. She had sixteen in the first half. She
made five threes, including one from the logo. She was
able to shake free and get her shot, and it
looks like things are gonna be just fined. Everybody who
had the ridiculous take of you know, the best player
(11:03):
we've ever seen in the history of college basketball, who
has scored more points at the high level D one
level than anybody else in history, was going to struggle
coming into the WNBA. Yeah, I think that's out the window.
I think Caitlin Clark is going to be just fine.
Got to see some of the game tonight and see
some of her highlights and with great footwork as she
always had is able to step back and get her
(11:23):
shots at Caitlin Clark's going to be just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Here's the thing too, that you have in the WNBA
is that the women take their time in college and
back in the day before the one and duns, and
you know, everybody came out of high school. As far
as you know, NBA basketball, those college basketball wasn't watered down.
And when I say that is that you had four
(11:46):
year college guys stepping into the NBA kind of like
ready to play. But on the women's side, you get that,
and that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You see it.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Kaitlyn Clark's stepping in and doing well and she doesn't
have the same level of rookie lumps. Now, all the
player the WNBA, we got to add, they're not there yet.
A lot of them are still coming over from overseas,
so she's still gonna have her work cut out. But
you know a lot of times those women are more equipped.
And you think about like a Cannas Parker, if I'm
not mistaken, she came right over and in her first
year won a WNBA championships. So you know you will
(12:18):
see that a lot on the women's side where they're
They're prepared, man, They're like, they're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Here's how her first buckets sounded. First WNBA basket for
Caitlyn Clark forty.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Five blocks last year at Clark for three. Clark they
said she has redefined what a good shot is. Look
how far out she was.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There. It is Fever Radio Network on the call again.
She had four threes in the first half. It was
a great debut for She was a game high plus
six for Indiana. I just I just really have this question, Ryan,
because I understand all the philosophies regarding television rights and
where games are, and yes, this game was available on
(13:05):
the WNBA app, but you're looking to open your sport
to a whole group of people and you're looking for
dominant ratings. There was no way to put this game
on national TV. Really, there was no way to put
Caitlin Clark's first WNBA game on national TV where it
would have beat the crap out of whatever magic Cavs
is gonna be. I mean, I don't know what they're at,
(13:25):
but Caitlin Clark's WNBA debut was gonna be much more
that you knew. She was gonna play a lot, play
all the way. I don't understand how all this coming in. Yeah,
oh by the way, Yeah you can't. You gotta download
the app. You gotta. And I get we want to
push the app, we want to push things. But this
is about marketing someone who's gonna change your game, like
Magic and Larry change the NBA in nineteen eighty, Like,
(13:46):
this is about getting her out to as many people
as possible. And the first time you can see her
on TV, Nope, can't. It's gotta be local only. Like
you couldn't find a way. You couldn't find some deal
to strike you knew this was coming. Hey let's get
her first game on television. I mean, I know we're
gonna get all her games on national TV in the
regular season, but there's such a thirst to see her
play now, and how many people would have wanted to
(14:07):
see it, and they couldn't figure out a way. Really,
they think, No, they couldn't figure out with any network
to figure out some kind of deal where hey, we
can show this game on national TV and everybody could
see it. I mean that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And for those who want to argue the Women's Championship,
I mean, just out out did every single, Uh, you
know rating on the on the men's side, did you
know historic numbers? But you're right, I don't think that
we have caught up to what we're seeing yet, so I.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Cannot argue that point there.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know, hats off to the ladies though, I mean,
I mean seriously, and you're you're right, that is going
to be a call that's going to be made of, Hey,
can we we see these ladies on National TV? Or
a way to see Caitlin clark Er. I'm sure that
you know, maybe some of the streaming services. I know
the NBA deal is up. I'm not sure if the
women's rights are are within that also or know kind
(15:00):
of a way to manage, but you know that'll be
And it's funny you bring it up because the women,
they want equal play, they want, you know, a higher
revenue split. You know, the NBNBA is turning to a
place hopefully where it can make money. So and the
questions still are there because you know, it was the
college game that made money and now you're gonna say, hey,
is the w NBA gonna make this big turnaround? You know,
(15:21):
and and a lot of people and I wasn't old
enough to really understand this. But the real value of
Magic and Bird their rivalry is that it brought awareness
to the NBA and it peaked everyone's interest, and that
Michael Jordan took that interest and he ran with it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then we've seen Lebron James who taking the game
to a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And you're looking at Caitlin Clark and you're looking at
Angel Reese and those ladies and saying, hey, are you
guys gonna be the ones that take the game to
the next level?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is that who who is gonna be?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So you're right, I am interested to see and is
there gonna be a big enough fuss that says we
want to see these games because you.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Can't just talk about it. Mike, you gotta step up.
You know you're doing a whole lot of chirping, man.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You gotta step up. Exit out about a Fresco. Ryan
at the Ryan Hollins Jasons with Ryan Hollins in for
Harmon tonight. UH seven sixteen is the time. It is
twenty five twenty four Dallas with the lead over the
Clippers one forty eight to go in the first quarter.
We'll have more on this game, but coming up next,
(16:28):
We'll stop by with Lakers insider Dan Moyki. Get all
the inside scoop on why Darvin Ham had to go
and who might be next. Maybe it's JJ Reddick, Maybe
it's Ryan Hollins. We'll see that's next. Fox.
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Ryan Hollins in from Mike Harmon tonight right now, Dallas
into the first quarter leads the Clippers thirty four to
twenty six in the closeout game, Paul George leading the
way for the Lakers with ten Meanwhile Luca with fourteen
and four helpers already for the Mavericks as they look
(17:52):
to get onto the second round. We'll have more on
this coming up in a few minutes, but as we
spoke about a few minutes ago, Darvin Ham is no
law longer the head coach, and if the Lakers are
potentially jumping into television, maybe it's JJ Reddick. Maybe it
could be our next guest. It could be Lakers insider
with the La Times and longtime front of the show
Dan Wiki.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
If you need a reference, I am here for you
for your Lakers head coaching interview.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Jase, and I appreciate that I better you than Ryan
by the way on that list. Wow, I think I
think it would just you know, right, knows too much
about me. Too much information you need like the casual reference.
You don't want anybody who can answer any serious questions.
You want people to be able to answer the night
surface once.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Hey, so what about you? I heard the story that
when he traveled on the road, he used to like
go into other people's rooms and take money. Do you
know about that? You know the money off the dresser
he used. He used to dress up as someone who
worked in the in the in the in the hotel
and take money. Do you know anything? No, I don't. Wow.
I guess you can't hire that guy.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
Okay, then, like seriously, like Ryan, this operates the same
for Ryan. If somebody ever asked me to like give
Ryan a reference, I would say, good guy, but like seriously,
like it's all metabolism, Like he looks like a hardworking athlete,
but it's just really genetics, Like I eat like a
seven year old child.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm telling everybody about secrets.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Right, are you right?
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Aren't you a professional athlete? And it's just like more natchos, incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I like that. It's really all genetics. Mean, he's not
going to give you anything, but I will tell you this,
You're gonna have to order more for the postgame buffet
because he's going to eat a lot of it and
there won't be enough left for some of the guys.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right, So say, I'm learning more about you and Ryan.
I like that. Ryan, we'll talk about your eight we'll
get to that. Oh no, I think that's done now, Dan,
I think you're done. I'm sorry. I think that's over now,
all right, So listen, we knew that Darvinham was going
to be let go. It was was a fade, a
complete when your best players are questioning your coaching acumen,
(20:04):
like ad question not being on the same page the
entire team and Lebron very upset over a third quarter challenge.
It wasn't made. You knew the call had to be made.
Was it just that simple that, hey, Lebron and he
lost Lebron and a D or was there more than that?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
I mean, I really don't even think those two incidents
had a lot to do with it. Maybe the AD
thing a little. I mean, look, the challenge thing. I'll
just say this, like, if teams listened to star players
on challenges every time, you need to lose a lot
of challenge like and I understand that he was right
that time. Lebron has been plenty wrong on plenty of
(20:41):
challenges this season. So I don't think that it was that.
I think to me, though, like, I mean, this all starts,
you know, way earlier. This probably actually starts in November,
you know, when the team goes away from Austin Reeves
for Cam Reddish in the starting lineup and that was
the first of kind of a series of decisions in
(21:02):
which the guys that were a part of the core
of last year's team that sort of saved the season,
there was really six of them, right, of those six,
basically each one other than Lebron James and Anthony Davis,
at one point or another this season was told you're
coming off the bench, you know, and that was Ruy
Hatamurrow to start the season. Jared Vanderbilt as he worked
(21:23):
back and was ready to start, you know again in
starting lineups, did not getting that nod. Austin Reeves started
and then didn't and then started again, Dangela Russell started
and then didn't, then started again, and then kind of
you know, what makes what makes it worse, right is
that within all that experimentation, one sort of injuries and
(21:44):
everything line up and they it forces the Lakers and
forces Darvin Ham to go with you know, Ruy Hachimura,
Austin Reeves, Dangelo Russell, Lebron James, and Anthony Davis. Then
the team goes and wins seventy five percent of their
remaining games, you know. So I think it's just took
them too long to get to that point. And players
wanted to be there. And you know, when you're tinkering
(22:06):
and you know you're hovering around five hundred and you
feel like you're better than that, and then you finally
get to sort of your idea, it's sort of like, dude, like,
come on, man, like, well, that's what we should have
been all along. And I think that's where it starts
more so than anything else. I'm on that front, right
And then there's the stuff you hear about in game
adjustments and things like that. I don't think this was
(22:27):
a one or two problem issue. I also, by the way,
I think that if you think that just because now
you've replaced Darvin Hammer, you're going to replace Darvin Ham,
that all these other issues are going to go away,
I think it's crazy too, you know, but for this
team right now. I mean, he had fans channing for
his job after Game three. It's just there are too
(22:48):
much tooth bases out of the tube. I think it
is probably the best way to kind of start over
with him again next season.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
And Dan, it's safe to say that Darvin knew, you know,
even taking the Laker job is probably outside of the
nick job, the most heavily scrutinized position, coaching position in sports.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But what are you hearing?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
What's the direction?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You have a aging Lebron James who can still play
at a very high level. You have Anthony Davis who
kind of battles injuries off and on, and you have
a roster, as you just mentioned, kind of message together.
You had kind of the defenders on one side, and
then you had the guys who the core.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Who had been there, who just got paid, who cut.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The scoring on the other side. So what direction do
you go in?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Maybe from a managerial standpoint and from a coaching standpoint
if you're the Lakers and you know, obviously you know
Lebron has say and pulling things, But how involved will
he be?
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean right, I think he'll be involved, right,
But I do sort of think that his like his
juice in some ways is a little overstated at this
point that you know, the team has really operated in
a way that's been what they view to be best
for the team, you know, I mean, Lebron is pretty
clearly on the record with sort of what he thinks
(24:05):
about draft picks, you know, of the the bleep them
picks school of thought, generally speaking, right, and look, the
team has been in situations on Draft Day where they
could have thrown picks together in trade and post Russell Westbrook,
like they haven't done that. They had you know, the
biggest move they made was sort of undoing that kind
of star driven trade. And you know, to believe me,
(24:28):
I mean, Lebron James wanted some versions of that done
before the Lakers eventually did it, right, Like he knew
it wasn't working, thought they should move on, and they waited,
you know, like stuff like that's happened. And you know,
I mean, look, I mean five years ago or however
long it was when the Lakers hired Frank Bogel. They
didn't hire Tyleru. And we know how Lebron James feels
(24:49):
about Tyleru. We know who Lebron James wanted to play for,
and they hired Frank Bogel. So so I mean, I think,
like you know, he's obviously a really important voy. He
is basically at the center of everything that you do.
For the reasons you mentioned. He's still an All NBA
player in year twenty one, which is crazy. He's good
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enough to establish things like a career high and three
point percentage this year, he's good enough for them to
be close, like they really were close against Denver. And
you know the issue is for the Lakers though, like
close doesn't mean much. You know, this is an organization
Ryan that you know hangs in season tournament banners. They're
about championships in Lakerland. I'm just kidding, but like you know,
(25:34):
they are about titles.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, So if I can read what you're saying, Dan J.
Moore is the next head coach. If I can read,
is that what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
You might get an interview. I think, But I mean
I think like as you look at this, you know
what I mean, it's a it is a tricky job.
I mean, I wrote a piece today for the only
times that basically looks at there's like functionally three three
lanes of candidates that they can look at. You know.
The Laker thing to do would be to hire somebody
who's been a head coach before. Typically when they've gotten
(26:03):
something wrong, they go and do the exact opposite. No,
I mean has a job, you know what I mean?
Like I think like had Doc Rivers been available, oh
you s the name you said, the name Doc Rivers,
they absolutely would have looked at him, but like, he's
not available, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think he will be. I think he will be
in a couple of days.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
He's free. He's not available, you know. But we're talking
about guys like Kenny Atkinson, right, We're talking about Terry
Stotts is the guy they've tried to hire twice as
an assistant coach.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
I think James Barrego is pretty well thought of as
a coach and you know, had some success in Charlotte,
maybe just needs to work, you know, for a more
serious organization, like like you know, those are the kinds
of names that you're talking about when you're talking about
like sort of establishment level coaches. Nobody in there that
you feel like right away, you're like, we've got our guy.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
Then you look at sort of the top line assistance,
which is kind of how they landed on Darvin hat
And I think there's a resistance to trying to do
the same thing. I don't think that's right. I think
that's a bad process, But you know, there is some
resistance to be like we tried this and it didn't work.
And then there's the wild cards, and it's a guy
that Ryan and I both know pretty well who may
(27:21):
or may not have a basketball strategy podcast with a
guy who's important on the Lakers, and we know and
we know, like that's and he may be interested in coaching. Again,
it's not, it's not really would not be the kind
of thing the Lakers typically would do when it comes
to like how they've made mistakes, they usually do like
(27:42):
if you look at their coaching, they usually do the opposite, right,
establishment guy or they had like kind of an outsider
and Mike D'Antoni they're playing with Byron Scott, like the
ultimate Laker insider, Right, Byron Scott had a lot of experience,
didn't work out, They needed new blood. Who they hired
Luke Walton. Didn't work out with Luke Walton. Who did
they hire? All experienced coaches.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
That's who they looked at.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Next, right, didn't work there, They went to first time
head coach. So like there is a pattern here for
them dating back, you know, over a decade as they've
gone through this coach and you know, churn. But I mean,
I think I think the situation is such that they
should cast a pretty wide net. And if the situation
is wide open, you know, maybe end up with something
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kind of wild.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Dan one to ten? How serious are these talks with
JJ Reddick? And we saw it with Steve Curry won
championships obviously different roster, different situation, but like, how serious
is this?
Speaker 9 (28:38):
I mean, I look, I mean, I don't you know,
I don't think they've like progressed anything like in any
real sort of meaningful way at this point. But I
mean I've heard his name a lot when I've talked
to my sources, Like it's a name that comes up,
you know, And I think there is a respect for
JJ's basketball mind. I mean, Ryan, you and I both
(28:58):
know him very well. I think he is a very
a very thoughtful person when he comes to basketball, very
detail oriented, a lot of sort of traits he would
want out of a coach. I think, you know, for
speaking totally frankly about JJ, I would wonder about you know,
I mean, JJ's a perfectionist and has a very He's
(29:21):
a very hard worker and approach the game a very
specific way. And I would wonder how he would mesh with,
say a twenty year old enter in the league that
approaches the game in a very different way. I think
that would be that's going to be an interesting challenge
for him. But I know JJ, like, if he's going
to do it, he's going to give it everything. And
you know, the one thing about a guy like that
(29:42):
is he's not doing it for the check. You know,
he doesn't need the money. He'd be doing it because
he loves basketball and he loves challenging himself in basketball.
And that's kind of where I'm at with him. Look,
I think he's a candidate. I it's hard to say
how serious of one, but I think he's a candidate.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
He's on Twitter at dan wiki Sports That is at
dan wiki sports Lakers Insider. Check out his latest on
the La Times as well. Dan has always buddy appreciated.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We'll talk to you soon. Hey, I will talk to you.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. We're gonna need that Bronnie James draft profile done
pretty soon, so let us know when you're done. All right,
there goes Dan Waki. You know, here, here's the thing, Ryan,
and I get JJ Reddick, and I understand his basketball acumen,
and I understand what a hard worker he is, and
I get all of this, but I I just come
back to a couple of things. Is that this is
(30:38):
the Lakers is a guy gonna come from the league
where he was an okay player. Wasn't great, he was
an okay player. He's been on TV doling out hot
takes for the last couple of years, Right, that's kind
of what he does, right, he thought, Hey, I'm a
media guy, I'm doling out hot takes. He's gonna walk
into the Lakers locker room and a d and Lebron
(30:59):
are going to buy in. I mean, that's the whole thing.
I don't I don't doubt that he could be a
successful head coach, because look, successful head coaches come from anywhere.
But he's really gonna walk into that Lakers locker and
Lebron's gonna say, hey, whatever coach says, you know, hey,
we follow coach by I mean, really, that's just not
gonna happen. That that just isn't gonna happen. And I
feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen for the Lakers. Well,
(31:20):
here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Lebron is still the guy, okay, and you have to
find someone that Lebron respects, but he's also like cool with, because.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If you get someone that's just too friendly with.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Lebron, Lebron is gonna you know, when you're it's very
hard to play and coach and think outside of.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
What you need to do.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And there are moments where Lebron needs to be challenged.
Every player, I don't care how old, how.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Young, you need to be challenged and someone who can
challenge him.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But you can't get someone so tight that you end
up turning people off.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Because it's my way or the highway.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So you gotta find someone who's a master of words,
has enough of a personality, infectious personality that guys want
to buy in, someone that can motivate an age Lebron James,
who's done any and everything in the book. And the
question with JJ may are you gonna be too friendly Lebron?
Are you gonna be straight up with him? Is he
(32:17):
gonna take you seriously? And if the notion is that
he's kind of brought you in and you owe him
this favor, is he gonna be looking at you and saying, dude,
I brought you here.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You know you're you're you're under my watch.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know? How are those things gonna play out? Yeah?
I mean, I just there's certain things that I get
and certain things I just go I don't see any
way past that what I laid out, when you laid out,
I don't see that. Even if Lebron says, yeah, this
is great. Hey, I don't mind JJ coming in because
I can still be the head coach basically, right, But
that's not gonna We know that doesn't work, right. We
know that doesn't work and the Lakers don't wind up
(32:51):
getting far. I'd be the JJ Reddick thing. I think
he can do well. But La, I think you're asking
for him to fail. I really think you are. The
Jason Smith Show. Ryan Hollins in for Mike Harbor tonight.
Coming up next, Well, a basketball question I've been wanting
to ask Row ever since I found out Big Dog
we were doing the show tonight. I said, Okay, I
got to hit you with this question. I've wanted to
ask you for a long time. It's coming up next.
(33:13):
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Speaker 7 (34:01):
Career high assist her game, best assisted turnover ratio in
her career. Last season, Clark gets away with a little
push shalloway Barry's in and a little reaction to the crowd.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There was Indiana Fever Radio Network Tonight, seventy nine seventy
six was the final. Dallas winds up winning, but Caitlin
Clark scores twenty one. She hits five threes tonight. Suffice
it to say, I think she'll be okay in the WNBA.
And you know, look, and I saw a lot, you
know a lot of these highlights. You know, watching her,
you know, as we're getting ready for the show, it's
like they're not just letting her dribble the ball up court,
(34:36):
like they were pressing her Ryan like up and down,
like this was like what she can expect to see.
And she still was able to break free and score
some points. You knew this welcome with the WNBA moment
was coming, but they guarded her, you know, the entire court,
up and down. She was still able to score twenty one.
So I feel even.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Better about thinking she's gonna be okay now that listen,
that's impressive. And here's the thing the weigh just any
level basketball is trending is can you shoot the deep three?
And what's it think about Caitlyn Clark and why she
draws the Curry comparisons and she's so likable, is that
she shoots the three off the bounce well, and what
that does It ends up open up the opening up
(35:15):
the floor for you. And again we talked about it
earlier in the show. The girls spend their time in college. Okay,
they go to school and they come in as a
ready to go product, and even more so, they're coming
fresh off of a season. So from the guys standpoint,
after they play their seasons, what do they have to do?
They sit and they rest, and they train and they adjust.
(35:38):
They are hot and they are fresh off depressions, so
to speak. So you know, for the women, man, they
come in.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Ready to go.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Caitlyn Clark has done well and I think, just honestly, man,
I'm intrigued to see how she affects. We saw what
she did to the college game. What is she gonna
go to the WNBA? What is she gonna do to
the pro game? That is the question for just for
women's basketball. You see the fan base and she keeps
playing like that and she only gets better and better. Man,
those looks are gonna be there. But it's really actually
(36:07):
exciting to see.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
All right. So we'll have more on Caitlin Clark coming
up in a few minutes. But I wanted to ask
you this because I really you got you gotta, you
gotta take us behind the curtain for something here, right,
because I want you know what I said, this is
where Ryan's gonna help us out. Right, this week, we
saw the latest player to be so ill in the
morning and then be able to have a great game
at night. Right, Luka, Doncic was so ill, questionable, don't
(36:31):
know if he's gonna play, and then he goes up
and basically puts up a triple double. Now I know
how I feel if I if if i'm what I
feel I can do during the day and what I
can't do during the day, and if I feel so
bad during the day that that I can't do my job,
I'm not gonna suddenly magically get better and say, oh yeah,
now it's great. Now oh it's a couple hours later,
(36:52):
and not only do I feel do I feel better,
but I feel just as good and I can put
up my normal game. So I want to know, like
when we your guys are ill, like, like, how sick
are they really? Like, I mean, really, is this really sick?
Is it like, hey, you can go see the team
doctor and suddenly, hey, you're feeling better. I mean, like,
how sick are guys really? When we hear hey, overcoming
illness to come play at night, I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I've just gotten to the point and I forget what
game it was, but we were playing somebody it's supposed
to be ill, you know, knee sore and ands all
that with the whole spiel and we got fried and
it was like, well, I thought his knee was messed up.
I thought he, you know, he fell on his wrist
or whatever and was injured. And I remember going, I'm
(37:36):
never listening to this. I learned my lesson. I wish
I could remember who it was, dude, but I'm like,
I am never and I think I had to guard
him too. I'm like, I never listening to the injury
report again because of this false.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I do not believe it.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And in fact, the Rockets Luca did that to the
Rockets this year. He comes in, he's on the injury report.
They're like, oh man, he almost broke his head. Something's
going on, And I mean I think it was it
was a fifty ball. No, he scored forty seventy. It
was a near fifty ball forty seven, like minutes to go,
and it was like no, like like he's hurt. You
gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I mean because I sit here and go, okay, when
I'm feeling said like, do I have a good talent
for pain? And do I have a bad talent for
pain or being sick? Like my sick. I know when
I can do stuff when I can't do. I feel
like I have a better time, like I don't know,
but then I see stuff like this, like going, oh yeah,
the guy was so bad he couldn't even get out
of bed in the morning. And then yeah, everything's fine.
Yeah I just scored fifty. I'm feeling good, like I'm
(38:36):
dubious about that game. Yoh yeah, I mean really, I mean,
I'm glad, but first of all, I'm glad you shed
some light on that forest. But I'm also sorry you
got taken by whoever that was. It was sick and
scored a lot of points on you.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson. No,
it would not happen again, and it did.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Okay, there's nothing wrong with those guys. Man exit. How
about a fresco Ryan at the Ryan Hollins Jason Smith
NBA star Ryan Hollins with us now Houston Rockets analyst
as well. Coming up next you a little thing. We're
doing a little bit of ask Ryan what is next
for some of these teams that had unceremonious exits out
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of the NBA playoffs. Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith
Show with Ryan Hollins in from Mike Harmon update from
the NBA. It has been all Mavericks since the break.
A fifty two to fifty two game now sixty three p.
Fifty four in the hands of the Mavericks. They started
the third quarter on an eleven two run to take
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a nine point lead. Still at least still a lot
of basketball left eight and a half to go. Clippers
looking to extend this to a game seven, Maverick's looking
to move on to the second round of the playoffs.
We'll have more NBA on the way, but joining us
now on the hotline. He is a long time friend
of the show. He has a longtime NFL insider. He
is a very good NFL insider. He is a voter
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for the Haul of very Good. It is Jason Cole
Jake all what's happening?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
But how are you?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
You know? You didn't Red. I'm a little upset because
you got it.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
It's fame.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I do this to a big dog every week because
I keep saying only very good players are getting the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. They are, so I call
him the Hall of very Good voter. He loves it.
He pretends he does it, but.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
He loves They are famous. They are great players for
a couple of exceptions, okay, with not with all.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
The Cowboys players you've been letting in the last few years.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
And that hurts because it's true.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I was a little upset today because you got into
it with with somebody on Twitter a little bit about
how about brock Purty's level of play, and I quote
tweeted you and helped you out and I said, brock
Purty is a very good quarterback. I got nothing from you.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
On because I knew where it was going to go.
I knew where it was going to go. I'm not
I'm not indulging this insanity. It's all fame, got it right? Anyways, Harmon, Like,
is he still doing like victory laps after the Bears,
you know, like he doesn't show up because he's got
to like taught everybody about the Bears draft. Is that
(41:22):
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
No, he was just done with me after that after
the next game last night, my go New York, Go
New York, Go go New York. Yes, he needed a
night off after that. But I can understand that.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Okay, Yeah, I thought he was like, you know, like
on Manhattan Beach streaming.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Now he just took the night off like the White
Sox Jaco Man. All right, so hey, so uh let's
start here because now we're starting to see some wide
receivers the last twenty four hours joined teams that are
very wide receiver needy. You know, I look at Odell
going to the Dolphins and I go, we are clearly
now on the Mike Tyson at the end after Evander Holyfield, Like,
(42:04):
oh what if? What? It's like, No, he's done. He's
just a name. He's not going to catch a lot
of passes. Yeah. Great, You know that the Dolphins don't
have a really good number three receiver. They have two
studs as they're one and twos. But I look at
Odell and I go, you know, the guy's still a name.
He's still going to draw that. But as far as
on the field, it's like, you know what you're getting
at this point, don't you?
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Yeah, you're getting like eighty five. I mean his numbers
actually fairly, you know, like efficient last year average sixteen
yards the catch, you know, on thirty five catches. That's okay,
but you were expecting so much more from him. Getting
to work with Lamar Jackson upgrade that receiver unit, do
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a lot of things to help that passing game, and
it never happened. And I was going to take this
kind of cheap shot at OBJ and say again, when
was the last time it was relevant? But then I
thought about it. It's like he was damn good in
that Super Bowl, right, He was really damn good until
the kneepop, and you just kind of wonder, is there
(43:09):
going to be some luck here where? Okay, you've got
you know, you've got the two great receivers there starting
with Hill? Is he going to get so much one
on one coverage? And is it another year removed from
that knee, from that knee injury where it finally really
starts to come back because he is thirty one years old,
(43:29):
and maybe there's some magic there. It's not a bad
damble for the Dolphins. I Mean, the only thing that
I see in this one is is he going to
get Is he going to get along in that receiver room?
Is he going to be okay being the number three guy?
Is he going to be okay with having to defer
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so much to the top two guys. That's the only
question I have about Obj. But at this point in time,
he's probably got to stuck it up and say, look,
if I'm ever gonna keep playing and making you know,
eight ten million dollars a year doing that, I got
to be a good teammate at least, because if I'm
a bad teammate, you know, Hunter renfrows right around the corner,
(44:14):
they can go find somebody else. Right.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Is there a team in your mind that has done
the best job so far at just addressing their off
season needs that makes you feel comfortable about them turning
the torner or being competitive this next year? Somebody we
should be looking out for. We talked, we talked earlier
in the show about you know, in the NFL you
can have that type of success right away from just
(44:39):
in the off season, in the draft. You can dress
a lot, but there's somebody that stands out to you. You
talk about the Bears just right now. Is there somebody
that stands out that you say, man, look out for them.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
They just got better. Clearly, you're not high on OBJ.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
You're not all in okay, You're trying to be kind
and nice, but is there somebody you're in on?
Speaker 6 (44:59):
I know I'm okay OBJ, but you know, I don't
want to overstate it, like I don't think it's just
this amazing move. I think the one thing about this offseason,
when you look at this free agent class, there weren't
a lot of great players, and a lot of guys
got got a lot of guaranteed money and a lot
(45:20):
of impact, you know, and and look, I never say,
you know, I don't want guys to get paid. I
want guys to get paid to make as much money
as they possibly can. But the way free agency is
working right now is you're not getting the big stars
going to market that often. So when you say that
there are a bunch of teams that address their need,
(45:41):
you know, if anybody really supremely addressed their need and
helped themselves out and make a room tender. I don't
think this offseason changed a lot. I really don't. I
think that the teams that were good were still pretty good.
Miami went backward a little bit because, you know, especially
with the loss of Wilkins. But I never would have
(46:01):
given Wilkins the contract that he got, so I understand
why he left and why they'd let him go. So
to me, the teams that were really smart about this
were the ones that didn't play in the free agency game,
that you know, work the draft work the lower end
and the ones that are now picking up some players
at the tail end of free agency. So that's how
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kind of I view this. I don't think that the
league is substantially different with the moves this offseason. I
would say I think Pittsburgh at least like cleansed their
quarterback room the problem that they had. I don't know
that they've really fixed it, but they have two guys
who are better guys, and they have a better situation.
(46:44):
And I think that they've really drastically improved their offensive line,
which has been a real sore point for the last
four years. So between those two things, they're going to
be functional on offense. So they're if you're talking about
a team that really themselves, the Steelers are right at
the top of that. But I'm just saying that they
made themselves functional because the last two years, like they
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were dreadful, right, like they're just awful, But they got
d ticket. They got a couple of candidates at quarterback.
If they can settle that, if either Wilson or Fields
can figure it out, or both of them, if everything's great,
then they are much more serious contender because that defense
is everything for them.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, especially with what we heard yesterday with Jalen Warren
on the podcast saying that, hey, they're toying with the
idea of putting justin fields on kick returns.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
There are there are occasionally some bizarre things that happened
there going can you just figure out if he's a quarterback?
You know, like, are we doing the Terrell Pror thing
with him already where we're like just junking the idea
him being a quarterback full time? Mean, that's such a
(48:03):
bad idea because he's so freaking talented. I mean, look,
he's got a lot of work to do to ever
figure it out. But I always say with him, like
he's the kind of guy who you could have a
rich Gan and type of career arc where he gets
to be twenty eight or twenty nine, figures it all out,
(48:25):
and his best years are you know, the tail half
of his career that really could be just in fields.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
But Hunter Turner, what that's an idea that Jets normally have.
This is a Steelers talking about.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
This, Well, I think the Jets might line up I
think I line up Aaron Rodgers that's you know, free
safety or something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
This year, no restrictions for Aaron Rodgers at OTAs that
was the news today. Dude, We're ready to roll. Man.
Our defense is great, we got offense. Lookout, look out.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
I even said he's going to go into another darkness
retreat and do you know, you know some metaphysical activity
that your signats are there and go. Yeah, I was
feeling really good about this until now that's really what
it was. You're that's how this off season is going
to go. You're like, I'm riding high. Go here, Jets, Jets, Jets,
(49:26):
go and get my Fireman head helmet on. By the way,
shouldn't there be like Fireman ed paraphernalia at this point
in time, like they should be selling like jerseys for
Fireman d Yeah, you just got to.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Go on Etsy. You gotta go where you don't have
to worry about paying any money for anything. It's got
to go to Etsy. That's where you go.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
I can go the Fireman aad stuff on ee. Okay,
so we're gonna all get that and again cheer for
Aaron Rodgers. But again in June, when they're done, like
right around June fourteenth, you're going to hear the story
about him going into a darkness retreat and it won't
be in southern Oregon this time. It's gonna be like Olivia, right,
(50:02):
and is he gonna make it back through customs? Will he?
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Like?
Speaker 6 (50:08):
Is he gonna is he gonna get arrested?
Speaker 8 (50:11):
You know?
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Is he gonna get arrested? What's gonna happen here? Like
it's gonna throw your whole off season off. And then
there's gonna be like an Aaron Aaron Rogers watch like
you're gonna have Don Van Matter from ESPN traveling the
world looking for Aaron Rodgers. Cheth Wickersham will be, you know,
writing something about the you know, Woody Johnson freaking out.
(50:33):
It's gonna it's all gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
If here's a big tree, we're gonna go inside. We're
gonna light it up and see if Aaron Rodgers is
inside here you go, let's let oh he's not in there,
Let's keep going, Let's keep moving.
Speaker 6 (50:42):
Yeah, He's like, is Aaron Rodgers or Francisco Franco Like
it's like, this is the search. We're not sure who
we're going to find. Okay, go ahead, That's what That's
what it is to be a jetsam. It is. It
is waiting to be tortured. It is waiting. You think
(51:05):
it's all good, and then all of a sudden and
you think everything is great, and then dull chick shows
up scrawled in crayon his resignation letter. That is what
happens the jet, right, it's all good. And then you
take Browning Nagel. Everything is great, everything is going great,
and then you know, the bottom just falls out right
(51:29):
like just something happens, you know. Herm Edwards starts talking about,
you know, the point of the game, you know, like
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
You play to win, but this is what I have.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
But you play to be the Jets. You play to
be the Jets, and you're never settled. It's always nerrosive, okay.
And you hope you just you pray, you pray and
hope that there will be a haul of very good
sometimes because one jet might make it to that.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Command. Who will be there for sauce Gardener going in
the Hall of Fame as a jet in eighteen years.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
It is all a very sauce Gardener, that's hall a
very good palth. There you go, yeah, here you go.
It all comes, it all comes right back at you.
Toocked it up baby.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
He's on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two. J Cole
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I know, I'm very happy, of course that you hear
tonight because I know if JJ Reddicks getting an interview
to coach the Lakers, you will be getting one as well.
So I'm glad you just you know, send time to
out with us before you know the Lakers come call,
you can go coach Lebron and AD. I don't know
if it's that easy. But I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Man, Sure it is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, you could do yeah, yeah, come on, you've been
around the game for so long. Yeah, you're taller than
both of them. You could you could tell them what
to do.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey, JJ is beyond qualified. I played with JJ twice.
He's a good guy. He knows the game. And you know,
part of it is being a hot name right now, man,
and I love what JJ's doing.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, Dude, if he can cut, which is ridiculous, he
can come from TV and no coaching at all into
doing it like you could do it. That means I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think if I got to be TV Steve Kerr
didn won a championship.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean why not? Man, how about you and
I both go do it? How about you and I?
Because I need I need somebody. I could say, Hey,
for the really difficult basketball questions, I'll have Ryan Hollins,
so they'll be that. But I'll come and I'll make
all the other like I'll make the uniform decisions and
like what time we practice and all kinds of stuff.
All the fun stuff, the basketball stuff I'll leave to you.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I've seen crazier things happen in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It at that we've seen crazier things, man, Well, speaking
of the NBA right now, Yes, Orlando sends that series
to seven games despite fifty from Donovan Mitchell to be
Cleveland one oh three ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Meanwhile, Dallas on top of the Clippers thirteen to six.
This is early in the first quarter. But obviously, yes,
two big stories tonight. We got Darvin Ham getting fired
by the Lakers. We have Caitlin Clark making her WNBA debut,
but you know, we have Dan Wake coming up in
a few minutes. Lakers insiders got a lot on Darvin Ham,
I mean, but but here for a couple of minutes
(02:35):
on him, big dog. It's like nobody's is surprised at this.
The Lakers have a lot of dysfunction, and so yeah,
of course, when when you see Lebron James questioning Darvin
Ham a post game, when you see Anthony Davis questioning
Darvinham post game, Lebron is picking some play in the
third quarter, why didn't you challenge it? And Anthony Davis
is saying, I don't know that We're all on the
same page, like you knew what was gonna happen. You knew,
(02:57):
you knew that there was going to be a coaching
and you knew that Darvinham had outlived his usefulness and
and he didn't have the locker room anymore. But like
I'm gonna say this, like I get it, but like
there's no magic pill. There's no magic coach coming in
to save the Lakers. Like they'll get somebody in with
new ideas and you got to just kind of close
your eyes and hope. But there's nobody out there where
you can say, oh, man, you know, you go get
(03:18):
this guy and suddenly this is how the pieces are
gonna fall into place for the Lakers. Unless I'm missing somebody,
But I don't think that job for the Lakers coaching
Lebron and Ad. I don't think that person exists right now.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's not a lot of appill there. And the reason
being is Lebron James is always going to be tough
to coach. And the reason he's tough to coach is
because what are you going to tell him? At this point.
Lebron in his career needs a motivator. So if you
can't motivate him, there's not much you're gonna be able
(03:50):
to say to him that's gonna make him, you know,
want to play. And honestly, Lebron's opinion, he may feel
like he knows more than you know of some of
the coaches or the opportunity or hey, there may be
moments where he felt like he knew more than Darvin Ham,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I'm sure he had all moments when he thought
he knew more than Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And at the end of the day put Darvin in
a very compromising situation. And you can't blame Darvin. I
think he did a great job there. I just think
if you're going to be the head coach of the
Los Angeles Lakers, it is it's the toughest coaching position
to have in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you were coaching.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
A megastar and you're the new name and you didn't
come up with those guys and you didn't have them,
you know, since they were young or a prior report,
it is the toughest thing that you were going to
be able to do because those guys don't want to
hear anything from you.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
They don't want to hear anything from you.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Like you said, if they have an opinion where they
feel like they know more than you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You're doomed. You were doomed, and that happened at Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Darvin was a part of a world championship team
right in Milwaukee. I don't think he takes all the blame,
and I appreciate that. I feel like the consensus is
there and he's not getting just you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Know, David Black got it bad man.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's not getting blatted.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh I like that. We should have used that as
an adverb or adjective. You're getting blatted. Oh yeah, you
got black. I would patent that idea. Man, someone's gonna
put that on a T shirt and make a lot
of money. You had a patent I got I got blatted,
And every every coach that Lebron, that ever's fired coach
and Lebron, they're gonna wear it and they're gonna be
the poster guys. And you're gonna sell a lot of merchant,
(05:27):
make a lot. Put it on the sign. That is
like him pulling the sign in an airplane. Now I see,
Now that's copyright. That's copyright infringement. You gotta make sure
you don't want to make any checks out. You want
to get all the money come right, And when you
make billions.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Just remember the little people.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, don't blat.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I think I don't know if listen, Darvin will coach
again in the NBA, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't think it'll just be ousted. We'll be in
a head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I don't know, but I think that you know, you're
not looking at it. I can it's his fault and
in some ways he took a Laker roster that was
just meshed together in moments and went to.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
A conference finals.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So I mean, he has had success in LA, it
wasn't the success you expect. And obviously, when you have
a megastar like a Lebron, you're supposed to be on
the same same page as him, and you.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Know, it just didn't work out.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
But if anything, you can say he wasn't on the
same page with Lebron. And unfortunately, the truth is as
a head coach in the NBA, it's not college basketball,
it ain't overseas, but your job is to be on
the same page with your players, and it's very hard
to be on the same page with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Look, and I don't know if maybe he's said, hey,
you know what, I could actually play and coach team
at the same time, just so you know, I could
be the I could be the first player coach he's
seen in the NBA at quite some time. But Russell,
you know, I mean I I there's nobody else out there,
and and yes, is it all Darvirenham's fault. No, but
I get that he had to go because when you
do lose your stars, no one's gonna listen. Right that
(07:00):
message said, you know he's not gonna get Austin Reeves
and Ruey hot Chimoor to buy in if Lebron and
ad or not butt it, and so you do need
at least another voice there so it's not so dysfunctional.
But to think that there's there's somebody there that's gonna
suddenly jump in and say, yes, I'm gonna go coach
the Lakers unless someone seismically shakes away from a job
that we think, uh is you know, they would never leave,
(07:22):
like unless Greg Popovich suddenly says, hey, I want to leave.
I'm not like this Wemby kid, I'm coming to LA.
I want to coach the Lakers, like unless something like
that happens. I don't know the guys out there. I
don't know the best thing they could do is to
go back and say, okay, look, Phoenix, you're just gonna
fire Frank Vogel. Right, okay, right, we got we got it.
You don't like him, you want to get it. You
got all these got all these stars you're paying money to.
(07:43):
Didn't work out, you got swept in the first round.
You're gonna fire Frank Vogel. I don't know. The best
thing isn't try to say, hey, are all is everything cool?
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Have have have have all? Have all the ill will
been been pushed away? Can Frank Vogel come back? Because clearly,
look it did work, they did win a title. They
would be better defensively. I know that for a fact.
If Fogel was a head coach but has too much
going under the bridge that he can't bring him back,
or would it be boy, we won a title with him,
Maybe it's best if we all get back and do it,
(08:13):
because you know, you're looking at the guy that won
a title that would be available it's offseason. It just
so happens to be the guy that coaching to a
title and then got fired because you know, Lebron, you
couldn't get on the same paging again.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I think the tough part for me and the frustration
that sets in is that we see it happen a lot.
And obviously I'm not in the locker room, so I
can't speak. I'm not trying to find out the sources
or why things are happening or not happening. But the
grass is not always greener, and a lot of times
it's not. On the other side, look at Milwaukee, Mike Buenholzer,
you know it probably didn't get on the same page
(08:45):
with Janis Jianna's probably felt like certain things were different,
a different voice to push him over the top, and
in fact they couldn't get back to just to where
they were. They could even couldn't make it out the
first round. It maybe a matter of health. There's a
lot of things going on there. So I don't think
the grass is always greener, and unfortunately, like I feel
like we're seeing this a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Hey, Phoenix, Monty can Koch.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Obviously things aren't great over in in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That's not his fault. They're going young.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But at the end of the day, I just think
I see these coaching changes that are just so unnecessary.
They're and they're not upgrades, they're like sideway steps, you know,
sometimes steps backwards. And it's not that you're bringing in
a coach that doesn't know what he's doing. Is not
that Darvin Ham didn't know what he's doing as opposed
to Frank Vogel. It was just that it was a
(09:32):
different voice, and sometimes a different voice, in my opinion,
is not needed.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like how you you're very nice, so by saying
you know, things aren't going great in Detroit for mon No.
But here's the thing that's they're being really nice, right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, but they're rebuilding in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
So you can't say, hey, MANI take this rebuilding roster
and go, you know, do whatever they're rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Man, I'll tell you. So we will have more on
this game coming up in a few or more on
this topic coming up in a few minutes. When Lakers
inside her Dan Wooka stops by because the Lakers just
look like they're stuck. Meanwhile, it's finally over, maybe the
most anticipated WNBA game in history. Caitlin Clark and the
Indiana Fever fall to Dallas seventy nine seventy six. Rikueo
(10:21):
Gunbiwally hits a big three with a couple of seconds left,
to win the game. Caitlyn Clark missed a big time
contested three in the deep corner that would have tied
the game, so they give her the ball for the
final shot in this game, the fever loose in her
WNBA debut seventy nine, seventy six. But Caitlyn Clark, let
me tell you what she did tonight For everybody who thinks, oh,
(10:42):
she's not gonna be a star of the wait yet whatever.
In twenty eight minutes, Caitlyn Clark tonight went for twenty
one points. She had sixteen in the first half. She
made five threes, including one from the logo. She was
able to shake free and get her shot, and it
looks like things are gonna be just fined. Everybody who
had the ridiculous take of you know, the best player
(11:03):
we've ever seen in the history of college basketball, who
has scored more points at the high level D one
level than anybody else in history, was going to struggle
coming into the WNBA. Yeah, I think that's out the window.
I think Caitlin Clark is going to be just fine.
Got to see some of the game tonight and see
some of her highlights and with great footwork as she
always had is able to step back and get her
(11:23):
shots at Caitlin Clark's going to be just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Here's the thing too, that you have in the WNBA
is that the women take their time in college and
back in the day before the one and duns, and
you know, everybody came out of high school. As far
as you know, NBA basketball, those college basketball wasn't watered down.
And when I say that is that you had four
(11:46):
year college guys stepping into the NBA kind of like
ready to play. But on the women's side, you get that,
and that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You see it.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Kaitlyn Clark's stepping in and doing well and she doesn't
have the same level of rookie lumps. Now, all the
player the WNBA, we got to add, they're not there yet.
A lot of them are still coming over from overseas,
so she's still gonna have her work cut out. But
you know a lot of times those women are more equipped.
And you think about like a Cannas Parker, if I'm
not mistaken, she came right over and in her first
year won a WNBA championships. So you know you will
(12:18):
see that a lot on the women's side where they're
They're prepared, man, They're like, they're ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Here's how her first buckets sounded. First WNBA basket for
Caitlyn Clark forty.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Five blocks last year at Clark for three. Clark they
said she has redefined what a good shot is. Look
how far out she was.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There. It is Fever Radio Network on the call again.
She had four threes in the first half. It was
a great debut for She was a game high plus
six for Indiana. I just I just really have this question, Ryan,
because I understand all the philosophies regarding television rights and
where games are, and yes, this game was available on
(13:05):
the WNBA app, but you're looking to open your sport
to a whole group of people and you're looking for
dominant ratings. There was no way to put this game
on national TV. Really, there was no way to put
Caitlin Clark's first WNBA game on national TV where it
would have beat the crap out of whatever magic Cavs
is gonna be. I mean, I don't know what they're at,
(13:25):
but Caitlin Clark's WNBA debut was gonna be much more
that you knew. She was gonna play a lot, play
all the way. I don't understand how all this coming in. Yeah,
oh by the way, Yeah you can't. You gotta download
the app. You gotta. And I get we want to
push the app, we want to push things. But this
is about marketing someone who's gonna change your game, like
Magic and Larry change the NBA in nineteen eighty, Like,
(13:46):
this is about getting her out to as many people
as possible. And the first time you can see her
on TV, Nope, can't. It's gotta be local only. Like
you couldn't find a way. You couldn't find some deal
to strike you knew this was coming. Hey let's get
her first game on television. I mean, I know we're
gonna get all her games on national TV in the
regular season, but there's such a thirst to see her
play now, and how many people would have wanted to
(14:07):
see it, and they couldn't figure out a way. Really,
they think, No, they couldn't figure out with any network
to figure out some kind of deal where hey, we
can show this game on national TV and everybody could
see it. I mean that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And for those who want to argue the Women's Championship,
I mean, just out out did every single, Uh, you
know rating on the on the men's side, did you
know historic numbers? But you're right, I don't think that
we have caught up to what we're seeing yet, so I.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Cannot argue that point there.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know, hats off to the ladies though, I mean,
I mean seriously, and you're you're right, that is going
to be a call that's going to be made of, Hey,
can we we see these ladies on National TV? Or
a way to see Caitlin clark Er. I'm sure that
you know, maybe some of the streaming services. I know
the NBA deal is up. I'm not sure if the
women's rights are are within that also or know kind
(15:00):
of a way to manage, but you know that'll be
And it's funny you bring it up because the women,
they want equal play, they want, you know, a higher
revenue split. You know, the NBNBA is turning to a
place hopefully where it can make money. So and the
questions still are there because you know, it was the
college game that made money and now you're gonna say, hey,
is the w NBA gonna make this big turnaround? You know,
(15:21):
and and a lot of people and I wasn't old
enough to really understand this. But the real value of
Magic and Bird their rivalry is that it brought awareness
to the NBA and it peaked everyone's interest, and that
Michael Jordan took that interest and he ran with it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then we've seen Lebron James who taking the game
to a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And you're looking at Caitlin Clark and you're looking at
Angel Reese and those ladies and saying, hey, are you
guys gonna be the ones that take the game to
the next level?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is that who who is gonna be?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So you're right, I am interested to see and is
there gonna be a big enough fuss that says we
want to see these games because you.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Can't just talk about it. Mike, you gotta step up.
You know you're doing a whole lot of chirping, man.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You gotta step up. Exit out about a Fresco. Ryan
at the Ryan Hollins Jasons with Ryan Hollins in for
Harmon tonight. UH seven sixteen is the time. It is
twenty five twenty four Dallas with the lead over the
Clippers one forty eight to go in the first quarter.
We'll have more on this game, but coming up next,
(16:28):
We'll stop by with Lakers insider Dan Moyki. Get all
the inside scoop on why Darvin Ham had to go
and who might be next. Maybe it's JJ Reddick, Maybe
it's Ryan Hollins. We'll see that's next. Fox.
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Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon,
Ryan Hollins in from Mike Harmon tonight right now, Dallas
into the first quarter leads the Clippers thirty four to
twenty six in the closeout game, Paul George leading the
way for the Lakers with ten Meanwhile Luca with fourteen
and four helpers already for the Mavericks as they look
(17:52):
to get onto the second round. We'll have more on
this coming up in a few minutes, but as we
spoke about a few minutes ago, Darvin Ham is no
law longer the head coach, and if the Lakers are
potentially jumping into television, maybe it's JJ Reddick. Maybe it
could be our next guest. It could be Lakers insider
with the La Times and longtime front of the show
Dan Wiki.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
If you need a reference, I am here for you
for your Lakers head coaching interview.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Jase, and I appreciate that I better you than Ryan
by the way on that list. Wow, I think I
think it would just you know, right, knows too much
about me. Too much information you need like the casual reference.
You don't want anybody who can answer any serious questions.
You want people to be able to answer the night
surface once.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Hey, so what about you? I heard the story that
when he traveled on the road, he used to like
go into other people's rooms and take money. Do you
know about that? You know the money off the dresser
he used. He used to dress up as someone who
worked in the in the in the in the hotel
and take money. Do you know anything? No, I don't. Wow.
I guess you can't hire that guy.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
Okay, then, like seriously, like Ryan, this operates the same
for Ryan. If somebody ever asked me to like give
Ryan a reference, I would say, good guy, but like seriously,
like it's all metabolism, Like he looks like a hardworking athlete,
but it's just really genetics, Like I eat like a
seven year old child.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm telling everybody about secrets.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Right, are you right?
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Aren't you a professional athlete? And it's just like more natchos, incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I like that. It's really all genetics. Mean, he's not
going to give you anything, but I will tell you this,
You're gonna have to order more for the postgame buffet
because he's going to eat a lot of it and
there won't be enough left for some of the guys.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right, So say, I'm learning more about you and Ryan.
I like that. Ryan, we'll talk about your eight we'll
get to that. Oh no, I think that's done now, Dan,
I think you're done. I'm sorry. I think that's over now,
all right, So listen, we knew that Darvinham was going
to be let go. It was was a fade, a
complete when your best players are questioning your coaching acumen,
(20:04):
like ad question not being on the same page the
entire team and Lebron very upset over a third quarter challenge.
It wasn't made. You knew the call had to be made.
Was it just that simple that, hey, Lebron and he
lost Lebron and a D or was there more than that?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
I mean, I really don't even think those two incidents
had a lot to do with it. Maybe the AD
thing a little. I mean, look, the challenge thing. I'll
just say this, like, if teams listened to star players
on challenges every time, you need to lose a lot
of challenge like and I understand that he was right
that time. Lebron has been plenty wrong on plenty of
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challenges this season. So I don't think that it was that.
I think to me, though, like, I mean, this all starts,
you know, way earlier. This probably actually starts in November,
you know, when the team goes away from Austin Reeves
for Cam Reddish in the starting lineup and that was
the first of kind of a series of decisions in
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which the guys that were a part of the core
of last year's team that sort of saved the season,
there was really six of them, right, of those six,
basically each one other than Lebron James and Anthony Davis,
at one point or another this season was told you're
coming off the bench, you know, and that was Ruy
Hatamurrow to start the season. Jared Vanderbilt as he worked
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back and was ready to start, you know again in
starting lineups, did not getting that nod. Austin Reeves started
and then didn't and then started again, Dangela Russell started
and then didn't, then started again, and then kind of
you know, what makes what makes it worse, right is
that within all that experimentation, one sort of injuries and
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everything line up and they it forces the Lakers and
forces Darvin Ham to go with you know, Ruy Hachimura,
Austin Reeves, Dangelo Russell, Lebron James, and Anthony Davis. Then
the team goes and wins seventy five percent of their
remaining games, you know. So I think it's just took
them too long to get to that point. And players
wanted to be there. And you know, when you're tinkering
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and you know you're hovering around five hundred and you
feel like you're better than that, and then you finally
get to sort of your idea, it's sort of like, dude, like,
come on, man, like, well, that's what we should have
been all along. And I think that's where it starts
more so than anything else. I'm on that front, right
And then there's the stuff you hear about in game
adjustments and things like that. I don't think this was
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a one or two problem issue. I also, by the way,
I think that if you think that just because now
you've replaced Darvin Hammer, you're going to replace Darvin Ham,
that all these other issues are going to go away,
I think it's crazy too, you know, but for this
team right now. I mean, he had fans channing for
his job after Game three. It's just there are too
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much tooth bases out of the tube. I think it
is probably the best way to kind of start over
with him again next season.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
And Dan, it's safe to say that Darvin knew, you know,
even taking the Laker job is probably outside of the
nick job, the most heavily scrutinized position, coaching position in sports.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But what are you hearing?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
What's the direction?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
You have a aging Lebron James who can still play
at a very high level. You have Anthony Davis who
kind of battles injuries off and on, and you have
a roster, as you just mentioned, kind of message together.
You had kind of the defenders on one side, and
then you had the guys who the core.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Who had been there, who just got paid, who cut.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The scoring on the other side. So what direction do
you go in?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Maybe from a managerial standpoint and from a coaching standpoint
if you're the Lakers and you know, obviously you know
Lebron has say and pulling things, But how involved will
he be?
Speaker 9 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean right, I think he'll be involved, right,
But I do sort of think that his like his
juice in some ways is a little overstated at this
point that you know, the team has really operated in
a way that's been what they view to be best
for the team, you know, I mean, Lebron is pretty
clearly on the record with sort of what he thinks
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about draft picks, you know, of the the bleep them
picks school of thought, generally speaking, right, and look, the
team has been in situations on Draft Day where they
could have thrown picks together in trade and post Russell Westbrook,
like they haven't done that. They had you know, the
biggest move they made was sort of undoing that kind
of star driven trade. And you know, to believe me,
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I mean, Lebron James wanted some versions of that done
before the Lakers eventually did it, right, Like he knew
it wasn't working, thought they should move on, and they waited,
you know, like stuff like that's happened. And you know,
I mean, look, I mean five years ago or however
long it was when the Lakers hired Frank Bogel. They
didn't hire Tyleru. And we know how Lebron James feels
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about Tyleru. We know who Lebron James wanted to play for,
and they hired Frank Bogel. So so I mean, I think,
like you know, he's obviously a really important voy. He
is basically at the center of everything that you do.
For the reasons you mentioned. He's still an All NBA
player in year twenty one, which is crazy. He's good
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enough to establish things like a career high and three
point percentage this year, he's good enough for them to
be close, like they really were close against Denver. And
you know the issue is for the Lakers though, like
close doesn't mean much. You know, this is an organization
Ryan that you know hangs in season tournament banners. They're
about championships in Lakerland. I'm just kidding, but like you know,
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they are about titles.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, So if I can read what you're saying, Dan J.
Moore is the next head coach. If I can read,
is that what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
You might get an interview. I think, But I mean
I think like as you look at this, you know
what I mean, it's a it is a tricky job.
I mean, I wrote a piece today for the only
times that basically looks at there's like functionally three three
lanes of candidates that they can look at. You know.
The Laker thing to do would be to hire somebody
who's been a head coach before. Typically when they've gotten
(26:03):
something wrong, they go and do the exact opposite. No,
I mean has a job, you know what I mean?
Like I think like had Doc Rivers been available, oh
you s the name you said, the name Doc Rivers,
they absolutely would have looked at him, but like, he's
not available, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think he will be. I think he will be
in a couple of days.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
He's free. He's not available, you know. But we're talking
about guys like Kenny Atkinson, right, We're talking about Terry
Stotts is the guy they've tried to hire twice as
an assistant coach.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
I think James Barrego is pretty well thought of as
a coach and you know, had some success in Charlotte,
maybe just needs to work, you know, for a more
serious organization, like like you know, those are the kinds
of names that you're talking about when you're talking about
like sort of establishment level coaches. Nobody in there that
you feel like right away, you're like, we've got our guy.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
Then you look at sort of the top line assistance,
which is kind of how they landed on Darvin hat
And I think there's a resistance to trying to do
the same thing. I don't think that's right. I think
that's a bad process, But you know, there is some
resistance to be like we tried this and it didn't work.
And then there's the wild cards, and it's a guy
that Ryan and I both know pretty well who may
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or may not have a basketball strategy podcast with a
guy who's important on the Lakers, and we know and
we know, like that's and he may be interested in coaching. Again,
it's not, it's not really would not be the kind
of thing the Lakers typically would do when it comes
to like how they've made mistakes, they usually do like
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if you look at their coaching, they usually do the opposite, right,
establishment guy or they had like kind of an outsider
and Mike D'Antoni they're playing with Byron Scott, like the
ultimate Laker insider, Right, Byron Scott had a lot of experience,
didn't work out, They needed new blood. Who they hired
Luke Walton. Didn't work out with Luke Walton. Who did
they hire? All experienced coaches.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
That's who they looked at.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Next, right, didn't work there, They went to first time
head coach. So like there is a pattern here for
them dating back, you know, over a decade as they've
gone through this coach and you know, churn. But I mean,
I think I think the situation is such that they
should cast a pretty wide net. And if the situation
is wide open, you know, maybe end up with something
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kind of wild.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Dan one to ten? How serious are these talks with
JJ Reddick? And we saw it with Steve Curry won
championships obviously different roster, different situation, but like, how serious
is this?
Speaker 9 (28:38):
I mean, I look, I mean, I don't you know,
I don't think they've like progressed anything like in any
real sort of meaningful way at this point. But I
mean I've heard his name a lot when I've talked
to my sources, Like it's a name that comes up,
you know, And I think there is a respect for
JJ's basketball mind. I mean, Ryan, you and I both
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know him very well. I think he is a very
a very thoughtful person when he comes to basketball, very
detail oriented, a lot of sort of traits he would
want out of a coach. I think, you know, for
speaking totally frankly about JJ, I would wonder about you know,
I mean, JJ's a perfectionist and has a very He's
(29:21):
a very hard worker and approach the game a very
specific way. And I would wonder how he would mesh with,
say a twenty year old enter in the league that
approaches the game in a very different way. I think
that would be that's going to be an interesting challenge
for him. But I know JJ, like, if he's going
to do it, he's going to give it everything. And
you know, the one thing about a guy like that
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is he's not doing it for the check. You know,
he doesn't need the money. He'd be doing it because
he loves basketball and he loves challenging himself in basketball.
And that's kind of where I'm at with him. Look,
I think he's a candidate. I it's hard to say
how serious of one, but I think he's a candidate.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
He's on Twitter at dan wiki Sports That is at
dan wiki sports Lakers Insider. Check out his latest on
the La Times as well. Dan has always buddy appreciated.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We'll talk to you soon. Hey, I will talk to you.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. We're gonna need that Bronnie James draft profile done
pretty soon, so let us know when you're done. All right,
there goes Dan Waki. You know, here, here's the thing, Ryan,
and I get JJ Reddick, and I understand his basketball acumen,
and I understand what a hard worker he is, and
I get all of this, but I I just come
back to a couple of things. Is that this is
(30:38):
the Lakers is a guy gonna come from the league
where he was an okay player. Wasn't great, he was
an okay player. He's been on TV doling out hot
takes for the last couple of years, Right, that's kind
of what he does, right, he thought, Hey, I'm a
media guy, I'm doling out hot takes. He's gonna walk
into the Lakers locker room and a d and Lebron
(30:59):
are going to buy in. I mean, that's the whole thing.
I don't I don't doubt that he could be a
successful head coach, because look, successful head coaches come from anywhere.
But he's really gonna walk into that Lakers locker and
Lebron's gonna say, hey, whatever coach says, you know, hey,
we follow coach by I mean, really, that's just not
gonna happen. That that just isn't gonna happen. And I
feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen for the Lakers. Well,
(31:20):
here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Lebron is still the guy, okay, and you have to
find someone that Lebron respects, but he's also like cool with, because.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If you get someone that's just too friendly with.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Lebron, Lebron is gonna you know, when you're it's very
hard to play and coach and think outside of.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
What you need to do.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And there are moments where Lebron needs to be challenged.
Every player, I don't care how old, how.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Young, you need to be challenged and someone who can
challenge him.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
But you can't get someone so tight that you end
up turning people off.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Because it's my way or the highway.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So you gotta find someone who's a master of words,
has enough of a personality, infectious personality that guys want
to buy in, someone that can motivate an age Lebron James,
who's done any and everything in the book. And the
question with JJ may are you gonna be too friendly Lebron?
Are you gonna be straight up with him? Is he
(32:17):
gonna take you seriously? And if the notion is that
he's kind of brought you in and you owe him
this favor, is he gonna be looking at you and saying, dude,
I brought you here.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You know you're you're you're under my watch.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know? How are those things gonna play out? Yeah?
I mean, I just there's certain things that I get
and certain things I just go I don't see any
way past that what I laid out, when you laid out,
I don't see that. Even if Lebron says, yeah, this
is great. Hey, I don't mind JJ coming in because
I can still be the head coach basically, right, But
that's not gonna We know that doesn't work, right. We
know that doesn't work and the Lakers don't wind up
(32:51):
getting far. I'd be the JJ Reddick thing. I think
he can do well. But La, I think you're asking
for him to fail. I really think you are. The
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Coming up next, Well, a basketball question I've been wanting
to ask Row ever since I found out Big Dog
we were doing the show tonight. I said, Okay, I
got to hit you with this question. I've wanted to
ask you for a long time. It's coming up next.
(33:13):
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Speaker 7 (34:01):
Career high assist her game, best assisted turnover ratio in
her career. Last season, Clark gets away with a little
push shalloway Barry's in and a little reaction to the crowd.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
There was Indiana Fever Radio Network Tonight, seventy nine seventy
six was the final. Dallas winds up winning, but Caitlin
Clark scores twenty one. She hits five threes tonight. Suffice
it to say, I think she'll be okay in the WNBA.
And you know, look, and I saw a lot, you
know a lot of these highlights. You know, watching her,
you know, as we're getting ready for the show, it's
like they're not just letting her dribble the ball up court,
(34:36):
like they were pressing her Ryan like up and down,
like this was like what she can expect to see.
And she still was able to break free and score
some points. You knew this welcome with the WNBA moment
was coming, but they guarded her, you know, the entire court,
up and down. She was still able to score twenty one.
So I feel even.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Better about thinking she's gonna be okay now that listen,
that's impressive. And here's the thing the weigh just any
level basketball is trending is can you shoot the deep three?
And what's it think about Caitlyn Clark and why she
draws the Curry comparisons and she's so likable, is that
she shoots the three off the bounce well, and what
that does It ends up open up the opening up
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the floor for you. And again we talked about it
earlier in the show. The girls spend their time in college. Okay,
they go to school and they come in as a
ready to go product, and even more so, they're coming
fresh off of a season. So from the guys standpoint,
after they play their seasons, what do they have to do?
They sit and they rest, and they train and they adjust.
(35:38):
They are hot and they are fresh off depressions, so
to speak. So you know, for the women, man, they
come in.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Ready to go.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Caitlyn Clark has done well and I think, just honestly, man,
I'm intrigued to see how she affects. We saw what
she did to the college game. What is she gonna
go to the WNBA? What is she gonna do to
the pro game? That is the question for just for
women's basketball. You see the fan base and she keeps
playing like that and she only gets better and better. Man,
those looks are gonna be there. But it's really actually
(36:07):
exciting to see.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
All right. So we'll have more on Caitlin Clark coming
up in a few minutes. But I wanted to ask
you this because I really you got you gotta, you
gotta take us behind the curtain for something here, right,
because I want you know what I said, this is
where Ryan's gonna help us out. Right, this week, we
saw the latest player to be so ill in the
morning and then be able to have a great game
at night. Right, Luka, Doncic was so ill, questionable, don't
(36:31):
know if he's gonna play, and then he goes up
and basically puts up a triple double. Now I know
how I feel if I if if i'm what I
feel I can do during the day and what I
can't do during the day, and if I feel so
bad during the day that that I can't do my job,
I'm not gonna suddenly magically get better and say, oh yeah,
now it's great. Now oh it's a couple hours later,
(36:52):
and not only do I feel do I feel better,
but I feel just as good and I can put
up my normal game. So I want to know, like
when we your guys are ill, like, like, how sick
are they really? Like, I mean, really, is this really sick?
Is it like, hey, you can go see the team
doctor and suddenly, hey, you're feeling better. I mean, like,
how sick are guys really? When we hear hey, overcoming
illness to come play at night, I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I've just gotten to the point and I forget what
game it was, but we were playing somebody it's supposed
to be ill, you know, knee sore and ands all
that with the whole spiel and we got fried and
it was like, well, I thought his knee was messed up.
I thought he, you know, he fell on his wrist
or whatever and was injured. And I remember going, I'm
(37:36):
never listening to this. I learned my lesson. I wish
I could remember who it was, dude, but I'm like,
I am never and I think I had to guard
him too. I'm like, I never listening to the injury
report again because of this false.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I do not believe it.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And in fact, the Rockets Luca did that to the
Rockets this year. He comes in, he's on the injury report.
They're like, oh man, he almost broke his head. Something's
going on, And I mean I think it was it
was a fifty ball. No, he scored forty seventy. It
was a near fifty ball forty seven, like minutes to go,
and it was like no, like like he's hurt. You
gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I mean because I sit here and go, okay, when
I'm feeling said like, do I have a good talent
for pain? And do I have a bad talent for
pain or being sick? Like my sick. I know when
I can do stuff when I can't do. I feel
like I have a better time, like I don't know,
but then I see stuff like this, like going, oh yeah,
the guy was so bad he couldn't even get out
of bed in the morning. And then yeah, everything's fine.
Yeah I just scored fifty. I'm feeling good, like I'm
(38:36):
dubious about that game. Yoh yeah, I mean really, I mean,
I'm glad, but first of all, I'm glad you shed
some light on that forest. But I'm also sorry you
got taken by whoever that was. It was sick and
scored a lot of points on you.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson. No,
it would not happen again, and it did.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Okay, there's nothing wrong with those guys. Man exit. How
about a fresco Ryan at the Ryan Hollins Jason Smith
NBA star Ryan Hollins with us now Houston Rockets analyst
as well. Coming up next you a little thing. We're
doing a little bit of ask Ryan what is next
for some of these teams that had unceremonious exits out
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of the NBA playoffs. Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith
Show with Ryan Hollins in from Mike Harmon update from
the NBA. It has been all Mavericks since the break.
A fifty two to fifty two game now sixty three p.
Fifty four in the hands of the Mavericks. They started
the third quarter on an eleven two run to take
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a nine point lead. Still at least still a lot
of basketball left eight and a half to go. Clippers
looking to extend this to a game seven, Maverick's looking
to move on to the second round of the playoffs.
We'll have more NBA on the way, but joining us
now on the hotline. He is a long time friend
of the show. He has a longtime NFL insider. He
is a very good NFL insider. He is a voter
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for the Haul of very Good. It is Jason Cole
Jake all what's happening?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
But how are you?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
You know? You didn't Red. I'm a little upset because
you got it.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
It's fame.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I do this to a big dog every week because
I keep saying only very good players are getting the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. They are, so I call
him the Hall of very Good voter. He loves it.
He pretends he does it, but.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
He loves They are famous. They are great players for
a couple of exceptions, okay, with not with all.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
The Cowboys players you've been letting in the last few years.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
And that hurts because it's true.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I was a little upset today because you got into
it with with somebody on Twitter a little bit about
how about brock Purty's level of play, and I quote
tweeted you and helped you out and I said, brock
Purty is a very good quarterback. I got nothing from you.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
On because I knew where it was going to go.
I knew where it was going to go. I'm not
I'm not indulging this insanity. It's all fame, got it right? Anyways, Harmon, Like,
is he still doing like victory laps after the Bears,
you know, like he doesn't show up because he's got
to like taught everybody about the Bears draft. Is that
(41:22):
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
No, he was just done with me after that after
the next game last night, my go New York, Go
New York, Go go New York. Yes, he needed a
night off after that. But I can understand that.
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Okay, Yeah, I thought he was like, you know, like
on Manhattan Beach streaming.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Now he just took the night off like the White
Sox Jaco Man. All right, so hey, so uh let's
start here because now we're starting to see some wide
receivers the last twenty four hours joined teams that are
very wide receiver needy. You know, I look at Odell
going to the Dolphins and I go, we are clearly
now on the Mike Tyson at the end after Evander Holyfield, Like,
(42:04):
oh what if? What? It's like, No, he's done. He's
just a name. He's not going to catch a lot
of passes. Yeah. Great, You know that the Dolphins don't
have a really good number three receiver. They have two
studs as they're one and twos. But I look at
Odell and I go, you know, the guy's still a name.
He's still going to draw that. But as far as
on the field, it's like, you know what you're getting
at this point, don't you?
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Yeah, you're getting like eighty five. I mean his numbers
actually fairly, you know, like efficient last year average sixteen
yards the catch, you know, on thirty five catches. That's okay,
but you were expecting so much more from him. Getting
to work with Lamar Jackson upgrade that receiver unit, do
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a lot of things to help that passing game, and
it never happened. And I was going to take this
kind of cheap shot at OBJ and say again, when
was the last time it was relevant? But then I
thought about it. It's like he was damn good in
that Super Bowl, right, He was really damn good until
the kneepop, and you just kind of wonder, is there
(43:09):
going to be some luck here where? Okay, you've got
you know, you've got the two great receivers there starting
with Hill? Is he going to get so much one
on one coverage? And is it another year removed from
that knee, from that knee injury where it finally really
starts to come back because he is thirty one years old,
(43:29):
and maybe there's some magic there. It's not a bad
damble for the Dolphins. I Mean, the only thing that
I see in this one is is he going to
get Is he going to get along in that receiver room?
Is he going to be okay being the number three guy?
Is he going to be okay with having to defer
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so much to the top two guys. That's the only
question I have about Obj. But at this point in time,
he's probably got to stuck it up and say, look,
if I'm ever gonna keep playing and making you know,
eight ten million dollars a year doing that, I got
to be a good teammate at least, because if I'm
a bad teammate, you know, Hunter renfrows right around the corner,
(44:14):
they can go find somebody else. Right.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Is there a team in your mind that has done
the best job so far at just addressing their off
season needs that makes you feel comfortable about them turning
the torner or being competitive this next year? Somebody we
should be looking out for. We talked, we talked earlier
in the show about you know, in the NFL you
can have that type of success right away from just
(44:39):
in the off season, in the draft. You can dress
a lot, but there's somebody that stands out to you. You
talk about the Bears just right now. Is there somebody
that stands out that you say, man, look out for them.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
They just got better. Clearly, you're not high on OBJ.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
You're not all in okay, You're trying to be kind
and nice, but is there somebody you're in on?
Speaker 6 (44:59):
I know I'm okay OBJ, but you know, I don't
want to overstate it, like I don't think it's just
this amazing move. I think the one thing about this offseason,
when you look at this free agent class, there weren't
a lot of great players, and a lot of guys
got got a lot of guaranteed money and a lot
(45:20):
of impact, you know, and and look, I never say,
you know, I don't want guys to get paid. I
want guys to get paid to make as much money
as they possibly can. But the way free agency is
working right now is you're not getting the big stars
going to market that often. So when you say that
there are a bunch of teams that address their need,
(45:41):
you know, if anybody really supremely addressed their need and
helped themselves out and make a room tender. I don't
think this offseason changed a lot. I really don't. I
think that the teams that were good were still pretty good.
Miami went backward a little bit because, you know, especially
with the loss of Wilkins. But I never would have
(46:01):
given Wilkins the contract that he got, so I understand
why he left and why they'd let him go. So
to me, the teams that were really smart about this
were the ones that didn't play in the free agency game,
that you know, work the draft work the lower end
and the ones that are now picking up some players
at the tail end of free agency. So that's how
(46:23):
kind of I view this. I don't think that the
league is substantially different with the moves this offseason. I
would say I think Pittsburgh at least like cleansed their
quarterback room the problem that they had. I don't know
that they've really fixed it, but they have two guys
who are better guys, and they have a better situation.
(46:44):
And I think that they've really drastically improved their offensive line,
which has been a real sore point for the last
four years. So between those two things, they're going to
be functional on offense. So they're if you're talking about
a team that really themselves, the Steelers are right at
the top of that. But I'm just saying that they
made themselves functional because the last two years, like they
(47:09):
were dreadful, right, like they're just awful, But they got
d ticket. They got a couple of candidates at quarterback.
If they can settle that, if either Wilson or Fields
can figure it out, or both of them, if everything's great,
then they are much more serious contender because that defense
is everything for them.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, especially with what we heard yesterday with Jalen Warren
on the podcast saying that, hey, they're toying with the
idea of putting justin fields on kick returns.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
There are there are occasionally some bizarre things that happened
there going can you just figure out if he's a quarterback?
You know, like, are we doing the Terrell Pror thing
with him already where we're like just junking the idea
him being a quarterback full time? Mean, that's such a
(48:03):
bad idea because he's so freaking talented. I mean, look,
he's got a lot of work to do to ever
figure it out. But I always say with him, like
he's the kind of guy who you could have a
rich Gan and type of career arc where he gets
to be twenty eight or twenty nine, figures it all out,
(48:25):
and his best years are you know, the tail half
of his career that really could be just in fields.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
But Hunter Turner, what that's an idea that Jets normally have.
This is a Steelers talking about.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
This, Well, I think the Jets might line up I
think I line up Aaron Rodgers that's you know, free
safety or something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
This year, no restrictions for Aaron Rodgers at OTAs that
was the news today. Dude, We're ready to roll. Man.
Our defense is great, we got offense. Lookout, look out.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
I even said he's going to go into another darkness
retreat and do you know, you know some metaphysical activity
that your signats are there and go. Yeah, I was
feeling really good about this until now that's really what
it was. You're that's how this off season is going
to go. You're like, I'm riding high. Go here, Jets, Jets, Jets,
(49:26):
go and get my Fireman head helmet on. By the way,
shouldn't there be like Fireman ed paraphernalia at this point
in time, like they should be selling like jerseys for
Fireman d Yeah, you just got to.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Go on Etsy. You gotta go where you don't have
to worry about paying any money for anything. It's got
to go to Etsy. That's where you go.
Speaker 6 (49:42):
I can go the Fireman aad stuff on ee. Okay,
so we're gonna all get that and again cheer for
Aaron Rodgers. But again in June, when they're done, like
right around June fourteenth, you're going to hear the story
about him going into a darkness retreat and it won't
be in southern Oregon this time. It's gonna be like Olivia, right,
(50:02):
and is he gonna make it back through customs? Will he?
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Like?
Speaker 6 (50:08):
Is he gonna is he gonna get arrested?
Speaker 8 (50:11):
You know?
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Is he gonna get arrested? What's gonna happen here? Like
it's gonna throw your whole off season off. And then
there's gonna be like an Aaron Aaron Rogers watch like
you're gonna have Don Van Matter from ESPN traveling the
world looking for Aaron Rodgers. Cheth Wickersham will be, you know,
writing something about the you know, Woody Johnson freaking out.
(50:33):
It's gonna it's all gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
If here's a big tree, we're gonna go inside. We're
gonna light it up and see if Aaron Rodgers is
inside here you go, let's let oh he's not in there,
Let's keep going, Let's keep moving.
Speaker 6 (50:42):
Yeah, He's like, is Aaron Rodgers or Francisco Franco Like
it's like, this is the search. We're not sure who
we're going to find. Okay, go ahead, That's what That's
what it is to be a jetsam. It is. It
is waiting to be tortured. It is waiting. You think
(51:05):
it's all good, and then all of a sudden and
you think everything is great, and then dull chick shows
up scrawled in crayon his resignation letter. That is what
happens the jet, right, it's all good. And then you
take Browning Nagel. Everything is great, everything is going great,
and then you know, the bottom just falls out right
(51:29):
like just something happens, you know. Herm Edwards starts talking about,
you know, the point of the game, you know, like
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
You play to win, but this is what I have.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
But you play to be the Jets. You play to
be the Jets, and you're never settled. It's always nerrosive, okay.
And you hope you just you pray, you pray and
hope that there will be a haul of very good
sometimes because one jet might make it to that.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Command. Who will be there for sauce Gardener going in
the Hall of Fame as a jet in eighteen years.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
It is all a very sauce Gardener, that's hall a
very good palth. There you go, yeah, here you go.
It all comes, it all comes right back at you.
Toocked it up baby.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
He's on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two. J Cole
is always buddy, appreciated man. We'll talk to you later
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