Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason and Mike remember 'A national treasure' the Great Bill Walton who passed away from cancer at age 71. Longtime NFL Insider Jason La Canfora swings by for all the huge OTA headlines. The guys react to the Celtics heading back to the NBA Finals after sweeping the Pacers. Plus, Angel Hernandez is thankfully retiring!

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Speaker 1 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well, a pretty big Memorial Day, Mike. We got tons
of stuff here to begin with. I know everybody's gone
to the movies and gone out and had cookouts and
barbecues and all kinds of crazy stuff. But oh yeah,
just a little thing called a potentially We're gonna see
a team go to the NBA Finals happening right now.
Indiana leads Boston eighty three to eighty fifteen seconds left

(01:18):
in the third quarter, so it's close going to the fourth.
You just saw Jason Tatum come back in the game
after a very relaxing time. How you had the shirt on,
not like hey, stay stay ready case you gotta go
right back in the game, not unlike Jalen Brunson. So yeah,
sure we got him.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're all good. Everything is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Eighty three eighty end of the third and it just
feels like Boston is waiting to say, now we throw
the hammer down. I mean, really, look, Indiana's played well
again another game without Tyrese Haliburton. But this whole game
has kind of felt like, all right, the Celtics are
just waiting until when do we absolutely have to take
over this game? And now is gonna be the time.
At least that's how it's playing out right now. Could

(01:59):
easily be the old Celtics showing up and say, yeah, yeah,
we don't give a crap man, Yeah we're up three zip,
but oh yeah we'll go over.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No no, no no, But right now it certainly seems
like the game is right there for the Celtics.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, I think some of the way they've lost two
of these three games. For the Pacers, I mean, that's
enough to send you to where you're caught making those
extra calls and being like, guys, we really need to
talk this out. We got problems here because the final
minutes of games we are just not calling.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's everything you.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Try to draw up on a whiteboard and then you're
looking around going, yeah, none of this actually worked because
it just was a catastrophe time and again, and for
this one. Celtics just hanging around, as you said, doesn't
seem to be a sense of urgency, which I don't
know that I can blame them. I mean, even though
they've nearly given away two games where you could say

(02:47):
they stole both those games. I don't know, depending on
which side of the coin you want to go to,
but if you let people hang around long enough, you
play more basketball. That extends the number of stressful minutes
and the way the basketball gods have operated. You mentioned
you're Jalen Brunson off the top there.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't know that I'd tempt fate.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Go get your wins, take your week and a half off,
get Porzingi's back and then and then being ready to go.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know, so give the old Steve.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Kerr At my signal on leash, hell and get after
it here in the fourth Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, I mean look, I mean clearly there could be
a thing where everybody wakes up today and says, hey,
wait a minute. If we get sweeps in both conferences,
it's three and a half weeks until the NBA Finals.
It's a long time. Hey, can we extend? You know,
we're true to make it five out of nine this year?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, you make it.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
We're gonna make it six out of eleven. Where we're
trying to the NFL.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Preseason's gonna start before the finals are done.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Well, I heard this year guys, they're gonna take a
break after these conference finals. We're gonna go to the
Olympics first and then the finals.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh good, I like that. That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
That'll we have an in playoff tournament. No, no, no,
but that gives all the big questions. Hey, should a
guy like Jason Tatum leave because he's got this finals coming?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Should he go play for Team USA?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah? What about Luca play?

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
You guys have truly become villains. Yeah, waiting for the
NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
No, I'm digging that. I am not.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
But he sucks.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh, you know, just stop man, jobs, stop you're you're
you're like you're desperation.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
You're like Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Man, every time you think of the Knicks, like, oh
my god, the Lakers didn't go as far as the Knicks.
I gotta say something like you're Rick Carlyle about the
referees every time something doesn't go their way. It's Oh,
there's a lot of things Indiana patients fans to tell
you about the referee officiating.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I see your game, Frostburg. I see the.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Lakers have more championships than you guys have won franchise games.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, well, hang on a second at twenty twenty. No,
we weren't the one games this year. Hang, I went
fifty games this year. You are categorically in correct.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Four if I exclude this year, legitimately right. I mean,
I like the Carlisle speech after Game three, though, still
saying hey we're coming for I don't know what that was.
It sounded like something great out of what was that
Mel Gibson's movie Give Me Back by uh, you know
that kind of paying.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Back Hostage No Dave Heart no to Brave Heart No
no no, Yeah, yeah, Gary Sinise is the bad guy, right,
and Donnie Wahlberg's in it.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Uh, he's working with Gary Sines. I'm just spoiling this movie.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
That's like fifteen movies.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, that's Lieutenant dan No. I bought you some ice cream,
Lieutenant dan No. And like and Donnie Walburg, that was Ransom. Ransom, Ransom.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, instead of giving the money to the kidnapper, he
hangs up on him and says, my son is dead.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah I'm not. It's like, whoa, that's a weird Okay,
it's a weird thing twisted pretty fast.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
But anyway, uh yeah, to the to the point where
you know, he's like, I gotta do anything, I can
say anything to try to inspire my guys.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
This Yeah, absolutely desperation. It does it, and it makes
for a good sound bite.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
You talk about how much you love your fans, it's
the greatest stadium, field house, whatever term you use in
the world, all of that, and try to hype him
up because the calls for next season's season tickets are
coming really fast.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So we'll keep you updated on this game.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Again eighty three eighty fourth quarter just underway Mayge eighty three,
eighty three as Jalen Brown has just hit a three.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So we'll keep you updated again. Nobody, I'm left to go. No, no, no, no,
he's not very good. Find where are your sources? Give
me your sources on it? Where jone have I been
saying forever? Give me ever? People listen to me on this?
So more on this.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
But look, obviously the biggest story of the day everybody
just gutted when we got the news early today the
death of Bill Walton, who had been fighting cancer for
a long time, which was very very private privately. So
if you think about if he's been fighting it for
a long time, he was doing it while he was working,
while he was doing the Pac twelve After Dark games

(06:48):
and everything else, and just just a stunning, stunning development
to see that today and all our hearts out to
Bill Walton, his family, Luke Walton, there's nobody who It
gives you an image of being more fun than Bill Walton.
I mean, you're gonna hear a thousand Bill Walton stories
and see a thousand Bill Walton stories on social media today,

(07:10):
which is one of the best parts of social media
that when something like this happens, you can get a
lot of stories about about a player or a coach
or a personality and understand what they're all about and
who they are.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And these are the best days for social media.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And all the stories you're gonna hear about Bill Walton
you've been seeing all day, they're all true.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Every day.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
There's not one story we're gonna go that's not really Nope,
Bill Walton one percent. That story is true. That story
is true. That story is true because he just had
that kind of life and he meant that much to
so many people. People who don't even remember his playing days,
don't remember he's one of the best big men to
ever play in the NBA, and injuries robbed him of
an even bigger status. I mean, everybody just knows him

(07:48):
as he's one of the best analysts and and game
broadcasters that we've ever seen. And everybody who works in
our business has a Bill Walton story. You and I
have Bill Walton stories. I mean, he just was that
kind of guy and he meant so much to so
many people.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean the sound bites are there when he
broadcast a White Sox game just randomly with Jason Bennetti
at one point. That was one of the highlights and
would have been some down seasons. There's a lot of
them for me, but it's the idea that you know,
you talk about his basketball career, right, there's the u
c l A chapter, then you get into the NBA

(08:25):
and I always remember my dad my uncle just saying
I and I never really did the full verification of
the man's dietary habits is like, too bad he stopped
eating meat because that's what they blame for all of
his injuries.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, that's how. That's how they simplified.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's like, yeah, he wouldn't eat steak anymore, and that
was I'm like, all right, I don't know if that's true, Pop,
but you know, it's a tough run for the man.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, when you tell the story, that's okay, all right.
I mean I don't know that there's evidence, but okay,
we don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But but like that was that was how he was
introduced to me. It was like, wait, what is that true.
I don't know that that's ever been corroborated, but I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's just a lot of injuries and whatever that robbed
it of a guy who was a force, right and
I remember him in that final run with the Celtics.
I've got a couple of trading cards here that come
Amory and one of them signed out of a Panini
product that I pulled a couple of years ago. It's
it's glorious, you know, but it's it's just a reminder
of the long life in the public eye this man had.

(09:26):
Ten years ago he went public with, you know, having
contemplated suicide at the worst of his back ailments and
everything there, and battling back and being such a force
and a positive force for college basketball, and just enthusiasm
of youth.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, we had all those great rowing highlights and
all that other crap.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
I mean, there was just nothing that this guy didn't
touch that that didn't bring a smile to your face.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, look, there's he came on with us a
few times before he decided when he told Justin, Justin,
I just I just can't like it was too late
for he didn't want to do it anymore. But he
would come on with us in the beginning, at the
beginning of our show, like ten years ago. And I
still remember that. And I told the story to a
couple of people today. When I was doing the NBA

(10:17):
podcast for ESPN. This is about fifteen years that, maybe
thirteen fourteen years ago, and we would do three podcasts
a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and I would host it
and we would have guests. Once Mark Stein was on
the podcast a lot. We ever, and Bill Walton would
come on once in a while. And the very first
time he came on, I vividly remember this because we
were taping it because he had to do it before

(10:37):
before it got too too late. So I said, Hey, Bill,
how's it going to Jason? Jason, how are you tonight?
How is everything going on in your world? You know,
just that's where my Bill Walton impression comes from. And
so and so I'm like, h every you know, everything
is great. We'll get going here and I'm gonna we'll
talk about Steve Nash and we'll talk about this and this, Jason,
wherever you want to go, I am ready. We can
fire it up at your leisure said.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, word leisure is over? Yeah win too, Yeah, I
mean yeah, I mean, but that was Bill. He would say.
He would just use words like that.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know, these Big Five, all of words and none
of us can use and so we said, I said, Okay,
here we go. We're recording my period of recording. Said okay, Gray,
so we're coming down in three two one. Okay, time
now tohead to the hot line and bring in an
absolute NBA legend, Hall of Famer Bill Walton, to break
down the night in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Bill, how are you? And that was the last thing
I said for four minutes.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
We timed it after it was over because Bill just starts, Jason.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
How are you this evening?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
There are so many things from the NBA tonight and no,
by the way, it was a huge slate, right, It
was like a bit slightly ten games and he starts
going through every game Steve Nash and the Sons. What
a delight he is to watch twenty six points and
thirteen assist the shut the son showing no weakness as
they beat the Blazers, my Blazers one twenty two to
ninety seven. And let me tell you about what Steve

(11:57):
Nash does. And he did that for every game. He
would finish this. He finished the Sons and the Blazers,
and then he went to the Knicks and the Celtics,
and then he went to the Mavericks and the Clippers,
and he did.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Every single game for four minutes.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
And at the end, I mean he talks for four
minutes and at the end he stime. She says, So
with that in mind, Jason, where would you like to begin?
And I think that's where you take that.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
If you had enough time to edit it, you can
insert a question before every answer that I just said, Bill,
I think we did all of it.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You just you did free game tonight. It was four
minutes a minute and then let's end to this game.
This was a delightful game. I got to watch some
of the third.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Quarterron and I'm going Bill would okay, all right, great,
it was four minutes of him doing so I didn't
even know what we talked about the rest of the time.
Like this today, make sure the interviews come in around
like seven eight minutes. Yeah, great, How long is Bill Walton?
Fourteen minutes?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
What? Well? What do you want? It's Bill Walton?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know. I mean that I'm sitting here going, he's
gonna go through everything, and my producer is texting me
at the same time, going, he's gonna do every game
and then he then we started saying back and forth,
going which game is next?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right? Like which?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh he just did Nix and Celtics. Now he's gonna
do Net sixers. Oh you know that's coming up now?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
All right?

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, were we jumped to the bucks in the Pistons
and it was just but that was who he was
and he would do he was unpredictable, and he was
fun and he would do things like this all the
time and it was just outstand And I'll never forget
that story about I'm just sitting here going, I got
my I got my my hand on my on my chin.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Like, okay, eventually we're gonna I.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I didn't even know what I asked him after, because
I mean, where do you go after he tells you
everything about that?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I mean, what do you do? I had all my
questions ready to go. I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah by that point, what do you got? You covered
all the games? It's like, do you like stuff? Let
me tell you, ja, do.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You like stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I like stuff. Let me tell you about some stuff chasing.
Let me just let.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Me story after story of his kindness.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
And I know a lot of folks except well that
one email will will be there.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I mean, you know, hey, someone's got to be that guy.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's the you know man, all the reputation you had
of you know, cal Ripken Junior and Ernie Banks and
all these guys.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Someone's got the bad autograph story somewhere. Yeah. No, look,
it's good.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
There's always god, what do you always say, There's always
an outlier, right, there's gotta be yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh yeah, so there's always an outline that this one.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Person that didn't like the way you looked at him,
he could have been killing everybody with kindness, but you
didn't give that guy the extra tug on the you know,
the elbow as you shook his hand.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're a bad guy, man.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Just all the former partners in broadcasting and teammates and
and all the guys he played against, all of it,
like just.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Store aft story, just amazing.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We'll continue to remember the life of Bill Walt throughout
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Indiana up ninety four eighty eight over the Celtics at
a six point lead, just under eight minutes left to go.
More on this on the way, but straight ahead. Time
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Pass from Jason Tatum prompted a time out by Rick Carlisle,
who was mad at his defense.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
It is a.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Pacers lead still in the fourth quarter, six and a
half to go, it's a four point lead. Again, this
game still kind of feels like it's the Celtics waiting.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
To pick up and take over.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
But again, asterisk because the old Celtics con cletely show
up and not close this game out and we're, for
some ridiculous reason heading back to game five in this series.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
I love that the fact that they just put up
the win probabilities that they had in games one in
three ninety seven percent in game one, ninety four percent
game three.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
When the keys to the game is Pacers US have
double digit lead in the final thirty seconds of a game,
we got problems.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, but again, remember it is the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
This is kind of what they do.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Just when you think, just when you start changing the answers,
the Celtics start changing the questions. Oh you mean close
out the Pacers here? Oh no, No, that's just what
you think we're gonna do on Memorial Day. We're taking
this thing back to Boston. Yeah, that's what we're gonna Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
But you could go in and take one of those
three or four day cruises and nobody can question you
because you still have eight days to.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Recover and rest before you start playing basketball. Yeah you think,
you think.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
See if I'll tell you this, If any team you
could say, of any team in the NBA, okay, which
team is most likely to in between rounds and the
playoffs take a cruise together and not practice, it would
be the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Where do they goos one hund percent? Where?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
But but but where are they? What we can get it? Look,
they it's a sea day today, cruise. Then they're gonna stop.
There's a port stop tomorrow, port stop Wednesday, see day
on Thursday, port stop on Friday.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
They'll have phone reception then it'll work.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So again, it is now an eight point lead of
for the Pacers over the Celtics ninety eight ninety Still
a lot of long way left to go in this game,
as we'll have more on that coming up in a
few minutes. But joining us now, I'm the hot wine.
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Speaker 2 (18:23):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (18:24):
What's going on? Gentlemen?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
What everything is great? Man? Were everything is where?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
We're just getting to the time where you know, all
of us eating maybe not harmon because you know, Kayleb
Williams apparently stinks, but all of us are pretty excited
about our teams because you know, we haven't hit the
field yet.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, hope springs eternal and yeah, I mean I think
you could probably conjure up some hope or false hope
pretty much anywhere. So yeah, it's a good time of
year for that.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Sophis you want to put water on that? And sorry, Jesson, No.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Let's hear it all going the same way which fan
bases have, no hope, toughnessive, you could prop up artist.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Luck, this ota mumbo jumbo. It is completely asinine. The
degrees to which this like now is like a quasi
football thinger in some parts I guess that they want
to make it out like a real football thing. I mean,
it's glorified walkthroughs. I get a chuckle out of it.

(19:24):
I give the lead credit. Like everything else they've jammed
down the public's throat. They pretty much you know, get
more bang for their buck than you ever could have
imagined what used to be an excuse, you know, to
get a few headlines and get you know, open their
buildings back up and and you know, try to compete
with baseball a little bit in basketball in the spring

(19:44):
for some attention. Now you know, gets completely blown out
of proportion. You got people you know sitting there giving
you the stats of every single drill and it's it's
like most things with the NFL, totally over the top,
and you know, kind of context and isn't really all
that connected to what actually is going to start happening

(20:05):
in September, but hey whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So so so then I'm trying to figure out is
it not a big deal then that Caleb Williams supposedly
looks bad in his first day of OTAs or is
it really bad that other day when nothing can happen
he can look so bad.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
I just I just think, like the idea that there
is some sort of correlation between what goes on in
the sort of again glorified walkthroughs in T shirts and
shorts and what's going to be required of these guys
in the fall. Like no, I just think, I mean, look,

(20:42):
they matter a little bit more for young players than
veteran players. And you know, this kid just throw football.
It's not like he played in the Siberian League, you
know what I mean. It's like we all saw it,
like he he'll be fine, Like they'll develop them or

(21:03):
they won't. Like but it's not gonna be because of
anything that ever happens in May or June.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, going down that vein.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
I mean, Sean Payton, Hey, you know bo Nicks is
further along than we expect and most would be. Does
this mean I'm not gonna get to see Zach Wilson
quarterback Week one?

Speaker 6 (21:23):
I mean, I don't think anybody wants to see that.
I mean again, I'm not going to factor in any
ota rhetoric one way or the other. Like I think,
I think Sean Payton's seen a lot of sort of
vagabond you know quarterbacking here and journeyman quarterback quarterback in
the last few years with what they were trying to

(21:44):
do towards the end in New Orleans and Taysom Hill, right,
and Jameis Winston and then that thing with you know,
Russell Wilson and the other guys last year. Like I
just think he's gonna want to start looking at bowten, Like,
what the how else do they have to do this
year other than evaluate young players, Like look at their schedule,

(22:05):
look at their roster, look at the division they play in,
look at the conference they play in. Like, I don't
give a damn what Bo Nicks or you know, Stiffler
or anybody else does you know? Again in the spring,
like I think when games matter, he's probably gonna want
to get a look at bo Nicks. And if there

(22:25):
comes a point where you know, that doesn't look like
it's too much fun anymore, then you go to you know,
door number two. But I gotta think Bo Knicks has
a really good shot at being their starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Jason Locking for NFL Insider, our guest the Jason Spitzer
with Mike Carmon liveromthetirec dot Com studios. All Right, so
the big overarching story from this offseason clearly has been
this has been a hell of an off season for
the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You have the Rashie run stuff, you have the Harrison
Butcker stuff. Is this is this a sign of anything?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Is this just boy? This is a bad offseason and
everything's going to be fine. Put the bad on No.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
I mean, I think there's been some there's been a
span of of disturbing things that have happened in that organization,
some more horrific than others. You know, the Jovon Belcher,
I don't even want to call it an incident because
it was more than an incident. I mean tragedy. You know,

(23:25):
you can kind of start there, and I mean the
Tyreek kill stuff, you know, and the various allegations and
his career seemingly in jeopardy for a period of time.
And they've had some guys that, you know, look at
some of the past rushers they brought in and their
history off the field, and guys with you know, domestic

(23:48):
violence charges like that. They they don't like. It's just
win baby, I mean it. They don't care like they
like Andy Reid told you, he told you, there's a
lot of things that they don't care about that are
not going to meddle in that that they're not going
to adjudicate. They don't care. They want to win football games.

(24:13):
And if a guy's allowed to win for I mean,
just think about what happened with Andy Reid's son leaving
that building and destroying the life of an adolescent? What
are the repercussions for that? What were dude, he was
drinking in the building. What happened to the organization for that?
Like what steps did Clark Hunt take to publicly scold

(24:39):
the those who did wrong, to inquire deeply as to
the nature of what exactly went there, and then to
sort of self penalized, Like, please remind me, how did
how did the the you know, the NEPO baby who
inherited the team billionaire and what did he do? What
does he care about? They're trying to get a new building,

(25:00):
so they're trying to get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of millions of free dollars, Like that's what they're worried about.
Like in the front office and any Reid just wants
to win football games and he's willing to win them
at you know, at a lot of costs. That not
really worried about a whole lot of what goes on
there outside the building, or you know, what guys believe

(25:21):
in or what they do to their loved ones. So
I mean, if you think this is like an isolated thing,
like you haven't paid attention, I mean you really, you
really haven't been paying attention.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Jay, So let's go something a little more on the
lighter end. Know, punt fully intended. Lamar Jackson the best
shape of his life, going on and lean and mean,
what's what's the reaction there in Baltimore.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
I mean, he's never been out of shape. I mean,
this whole thing is a little is a little laughable.
He's certainly, I guess, built more for speed now than
for the rigors of you know, mesh point and running
between the tackles and having to you know, bang heads
the way he did in Greg Roman's offense. And you

(26:08):
look at some of the advanced metrics on him. Last
year he faced fewer eight man boxes than ever before,
about fifty percent less. But you know, his rate of
explosive runs and you know, percentage of runs over ten
yards like a lot of things were trending down. And
even in the last game of the season, that deflected
pass that he caught, which was ridiculous. I'm sitting in

(26:31):
the upper deck right, you know, right behind, watching that
play unfold, and you know, do I think in the
past he might have, if not taken that thing to
the house, you know, at least switched field position even
more than he did. I think he may have, and
he certainly had bulked up the last few years because
this guy's accustomed to leading the team in rushing and

(26:51):
that's not really how they're built anymore. And now they
got a nine million dollar running back who's you know,
gonna take even more of that singular role rather than
farming things out to three or four guys all the time,
including the quarterback. So it makes sense and it is noticeable,
and not that he was ever not incredibly fast, but

(27:13):
he's built even more now for speed than power.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You can hear him on Odyssey, read him on the
Washington Post, listen to him on one oh five to
seven the Fen in Baltimore. A true triple threat. Jay,
thanks as always for spending Monday with us. I know
Memorial Day is a holiday. We appreciate it. As always.
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Have a great my pleasure, gentlemen, Thank you good my friend.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
You didn't ask him the Kenny Picket question, but key,
because I know Kenny Picket stinks. I don't need to
ask any questions. You want to talk about a lot
of run off. The video was up on Instagram Fox
Sports Radio. I reposted it. I had folks chiming in
with all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Jalen Hurts, hate, Kenny Pickett, hate, Sirianni hate. City of
Philadelphia is a dirty, terrible place. You name it. We
saw it and we love it. Please keep it coming, folks.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
You just wait for the he's better than Aaron Rodgers one.
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Jalen hurts first and then and then, uh, we'll worry
about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Jalen all that. I'm not worried. I mean, we'll trade
from if we need to. It's fine.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
You have five reasons.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
You do not have any reasons to worry. Everything is fine.
I don't want to say it because it will happen.
Say like he's going to get hurt again, but of
course that happens. Do existence a great visit by Jason
Lock and for as always, it is now getting a
winning time in Game four of the Eastern Conference Finals,

(28:43):
the Pacers taking bad shot after bad shot and the
Celtics with the ball twenty nine seconds left, trying to
protect a three point lead. For more on this game
and what else is trending in the wide world of sports,
It's special delivery.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Steve Disaga SD What's that each.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Team shooting about forty percent, make that forty six percent
from the floor is under forty five for much of
the first three quarters. And now, with thirty seconds to
go in Game four of the NBA's East Finals, Boston
is leading at Indiana one o five, one oh two,
and the Celtics have the ball, chance for a sweep.
Just for the record, there have never been two four
game to none sweeps in the conference finals the same year.

(29:23):
Boston going for a sweep right now and tomorrow West
Finals Game four Minnesota at Dallas and the Mavericks lead
three games to none for the Indiana Pacers. Tonight, Pacers
guard Tyrese Halliburton strain hamstring out again twenty four points
for Andrew Nemhart, twenty six for the Celtics, Jason Tatum,
twenty nine for Jalen Brown.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It has just gone final.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
The Celtics have completed the sweep one oh five, one
oh two. Boston is going to the NBA Finals, which
do not start until June the sixth. Yes, June was
the sixth.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
The hell was that by the Pacers At the end
of the game, the Celtics with the ball and a
three point lead. Yes, the shot clock is winding down,
the Pacers elect to, hey, we're gonna allow the Celtics
to get a shot off. Jason Tatum puts up a three,
getting a hand up in the air, and it to happen.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean, there's there's you know they get You're talking
about twenty three seconds left.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
There's a five second differential on the play clock, and
the Pacers allow the Celtics take the clock all the
way down to seven seconds, which is just ridiculously stupid.
I don't know what Rick Carlisle is doing because now,
worst case scenario, Jason Tatum misses a shot and the
Pacers have four seconds to run the ball up the
court and try to get a hoop. What happens Tatum misses,

(30:46):
it doesn't matter because the long rebound comes to the Celtics.
The Pacers can't even foul, and the Celtics are going
to the NBA Finals. I'm embarrassing Nicks lost to this
Pacers team after what they just did the last twenty
five seconds.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
That also means the Indiana Pacers did not touch the
ball the last thirty seconds of the game, and that's
how the season ends.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yikes.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
One oh five one two Boston wins in the NHL Playoffs.
It's Game three of the West Final tonight. They started
the third period Dallas tied three to three at Edmonton,
back and forth because Edmonton led two to nothing after
the first eight minutes. Dallas in the second period scored
three times in about three and a half minutes, but
before period two was done, Edmonton scored to tie the game.

(31:28):
It is three to three and the series is even
at a game apiece. East Final Game four is tomorrow
at Florida. Rangers lead two games to one. At Tennis's
French opened, Rafael Nadal lost in the first round to
number four Alexander Zverev. Dodgers at Mets rained out doubleheader tomorrow.
San Diego edge Miami two to one. The Marlins record
nineteen and thirty six. The White Sox are fifteen and

(31:50):
forty after losing it home today to Toronto five to one.
White Sox have lost six in a row. Cubs have
lost five straight. They lost in Milwaukee five to one,
and Baltimore won fIF straight eleven three over Boston.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Back to you, Thank you, STEVEO. I really I mean
I am.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I am absolutely stunned by what the Celtics. What the
Pacers did at the end of this game. I mean again,
I mean I just told you, but it sounds insane,
but that's exactly what they did. The Celtics have the
ball with twenty five seconds left eighteen. It's about a
five second differential for the shot clock and the game clock.
What you need to do at this point is extend

(32:25):
the game. All right, you're down by fee. You need
to put the Celtics the free throw line, make them
at free throws as you come down, extend the game.
And I don't get taking it down to a one
chance play where the best case scenario for the Pacers
is Jason Tatum misses or whoever's taking the final shot
for the Celtics misses, and somehow the Pacers get the

(32:45):
rebound and you're chucking it up from just inside the
half court line with no time left. I don't understand this.
And of course none of that happened because the Pacers
didn't even get the rebound and they couldn't even foul.
Like really, Rick Carlisle, I can't wait to hear what
he's got.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Maybe it's gonna say it's the referees fault. Mike, I
don't know, maybe the referee fault.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
I do have a poll question. I just put up
what is that for? When it comes back? Wow, it's
the greatest poll question of all pole questions.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Wow. Uh, that is unbelievable. And we're just getting started.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Congratulations to the Celtics who were headed to the NBA Finals. Uh,
we're just picking up and starting our coverage on this. Really,
the last twenty five seconds is in Sam May's next
right here, Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Poll Scott lost the ball?

Speaker 6 (33:39):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Kicks it out? What putter? Three time?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Derek White from Downtown Celtics.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Pike three.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
There was on ESPN Derek White the game winning shot
with forty five seconds left to give the Celtics the
one oh five one oh two win over the Pacers
and the ball.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Celtics headed to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Joe Mizzoula, the youngest head coach take a team to
the NBA Finals since nineteen sixty nine, one of Bill
Walton's former teams, honoring him on this day, going to
the NBA Finals. It is some kind of day for
the Celtics who outlast the Pacers and end of game
play that I still can't wait to see Rick Carlisle

(34:24):
try to explain in his postgame press conference.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I really can't.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
I got I got a lot of questions man, Finals
six thirty three of the game, the basers scored six points.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, not a lot offense by either.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Team in those baskets came with three point thirty three remaining.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Was a Pascal Siakam three point shot. That was it.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, there were only three baskets overall in the last
two you know, absolute disaster.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's not like that. It's a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
No, no, no, like not a lot of great offense along
the way, But you're playing with the lead, you're moving
the ball. Well, you have a couple of other questions
that need to be answered. Why was Jalen Brown not
assessed a flagrant file for earlier when he took McConnell
to the ground.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
But that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Derek White hits the three point shot and that's the
last of the offense for the night, just leaving more
and more questions for us to try to answer here
on Fox Sports Training.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I'll tell you now we have the question.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
You know, we'll talk about the last twenty five seconds
in the game coming up in a second, but you know,
the last three minutes for the Celtics, they were down
to Jason Tatum.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Drives in for a dunk to make it a two
point game.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And there's times watching Jason Tatum, not all the time,
but I kind of I told just when I feel
when I watch Josh Allen lead a drive for the Bills,
and I say he's maybe at times he looks like
the most unstoppable quarterback I have ever seen, Like he
is just gonna find a way to sledge hammer the
ball down the field and it's getting in the end zone.

(35:58):
He's gonna throw, he's gonna run, and he's gonna make
it look like it's not fair, like there's no way
to stop him. And he does that from time to time,
and I just am amazed sometimes at Josh Allen. Now
do you get a lot of possessions where he doesn't
know where he's going with the ball. And obviously he
hasn't gone to a super Bowl yet, so there's questions,
but there's times I see him and I go, a,
he's the most unstoppable quarterback I've seen. And sometimes I

(36:19):
think that like that with Jason Tatum, Like I see
him one on one with a guy, and I see
him with his height and his ball control and his
power and his speed, and I say, he's absolutely unstoppable
one on one. I don't know I've ever seen a
more unstoppable player one on one when you combine his
physical abilities with his skill set, like it's almost not fair,
Like no one can hold him back. You can put

(36:41):
a you can put a big guy out on him,
he's blown by him. You can put a smaller guy
to you can put the best defender in the league
out there, and he's finding a way to blow by
him for a dunk or a layup, or to draw
other guys in and kick out for three. There are
times when I look at him and I go, He's
the most unstoppable offensive player, especially one on one that
I've seen. Again, not all the time, because I'm just
sit here and go, Okay, well, when you take that

(37:02):
three at the end and don't want to go for
the rebound, you want to keep your hand up in
the air, Okay, there's times, but honestly times would Jason
Tatum and I just shake my head and to go, wow, man,
this guy really is just absolutely unstymming, more unsemble than Jordan,
who would have to have these crazy moves getting into
the lane and finding a way to put the ball
up when when a center would go one way with
his hand and find I mean there, obviously there's different ways,

(37:24):
but just a guy that physically and his combination of
that and his skills, you're just not gonna stop. Helps team,
I'll tell you. Yeah, yeah, well it did help your
play in the Pacers who were that tires aliburt and it.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Doesn't I'm sure tell you about the Knicks, Mike, it
does help.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, yeah, it upsets me more than Nick's loss to
this team after this series. But we will we will
get to that. We will get to that.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, plenty of time, plenty of time, relax. I have
to ask the obvious question. The poll question is up
at Swollen Dome. Uh Fox Sports Trade, I'm sure retweeted
as well as you guys. Which is the more competitive
sweep with the Lakers getting beaten by the Nuggets last
year or this one that we just witnessed.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh, this one's easily more competitive because the games were close,
Like you know, the first game was close last year.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Then the rest of the games. Yeah, not every game
was closed, but it was competitive.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
They were right there. This is way more that's what
we were told. Nah, it's way more competitive as the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's not. Hey, by the way, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
You know, I say, even even the Pacers without Tyre's
Halliburton found a way to keep a club.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I mean, come on, well, I mean you get thirty
four points off the bench.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, a lot of heart and guts and grit coming
from your former Nick Topping and McConnell. They combined for
twenty seven twenty seven and twelve boards between them. But
you know you did the Tate of Jordan thing. Thing
difference was Jordan always wanted to do it.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah. No, no, that's why I say it's not all that.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
IM just saying let's let's make sure that we really
punctuate that caveat because when he pulled up from three
with what six seconds left, I'm like, okay, like we're
going for the style punctuation mark instead of all right,
lets you drive the land and either get fouled or
or at least muck it up a little bit more
as it bounces off the rim nah style points the.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Celtics get the get the rebound.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, Like I said, it's not all the time with
Jason Tatum, it's it's it's it's sometimes and often enough
for me to say it, but not, you know, not
nearly where hey, all the time, at every single time,
no no time to time, time to time.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It happens.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And I just look at him and go, man, the
defender has no chance. Like, whatever he wants to do,
the defender has none. And even if he draws defenders
into him, they're gonna have no chance. He's gonna find
a way to get up and rise up over them
and find a way to get to somebody who's wide
open for a three or somebody in the lane. Like
I really think he had a shot earlier in the
fourth quarter where I think he he he kind of

(39:50):
played possible a little bit and made it look like
he was losing control of the ball, like right to
the right of the key, and a couple of defenders
just kind of went in on it because they thought
he was the control and he just came right up
and whipped the pass underneath for a layup, and I said, wow,
he might have been drawing them in, like making it
look like he was losing control of the ball because
he just whipped that pass and as soon as they

(40:10):
as soon as they left the paint, it was an
easy deuce.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
For the for the pacers, telling you, man, I know,
I know. What do you want? Man, what do you
want for?

Speaker 5 (40:19):
You're making him look like he's you know, Dominique Wilkins.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
This was the game. Look at that Dominie got a Dominique.
Well we dominated the Okay, Okay, it's say, man, you
can only beat who's on the schedule. Yeah, this is
this was the game. This was the game tonight.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
And they and they did it in the most h
Well here, let me rip out your heart and show
it to you kind of fashion.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Three times in four winds exit, how about a fresca exit?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Swollen down The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Carmon live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios.
Coming up next, we'll break down the final twenty five
seconds of this game, which still makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
For the paper. Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show
with My best friend Mike Harmon and a Memorial Day shocker.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Angel Hernandez is retiring as a Major League Baseball umpire.
Holy cow, this right now, Fox Sports Radio. We have
our cameras across cities in the country where fans have
joined hands singing yebna but like at the end of
Return of the Jedi, because that's the party going on

(41:34):
that Angel Hernandez has retired from the game. There, they're
all young fans. They're all young kids that were told about,
the kids that have been brought along, brought along to
the game. The parents market for Major League Baseball. Uh,
there there is no retirement more widely celebrated, I think
than Angel Hernandez. No, I do know, if you I know,

(41:56):
if you can find a buch more that everybody is
all in on.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Like if it's a star player from.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
A team, maybe the other teams across the league are
happy because, Wow, this guy was beating us for our
whole career. If you're the guy retiring the team, the
fan of the team that he's retiring from, you're upset
because a great player is leaving. No, I don't know,
but universally, I don't think there's anybody saying, boy wish
Angel Hernandez would keep umpiring. I don't think there's one

(42:21):
person's who's saying that, not one, you.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Know what, I'll be that guy. I like the variability.
Oh stop, you're.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Just you never knew. You knew it was coming, you
knew it was coming. It's like an m night Shallaman.
There's gonna be a twist. It's gonna be a twist,
Angel Hernandez, there's gonna be a screw up, just a
matter of when and.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
How, how costly to your team or that of the opponent.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
You know what, Mike, just for you taking that ridiculous stance,
just because you're looking for attention.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
We're gonna play this for you right now. Can't get
him here? No he was safe.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
No no, well, Angel Hernandez blew the call and the
infield being back should have cost him the game.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It didn't. Right there, he's safe.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
He is half the ball and another boom call by Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Boy, I tell you, I tell you.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Whoa MLB productions Hawk Harold and I just love how
he's yelling. No, no, no, no, no, this is Angel Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Everybody's got he know, no he was safe. No, no,
so great it's now gonna be my ring tone, be alone.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
No happy to see this guy go.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
You know, it's it's not even just that he was
a badre who missed calls like, It's not no.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
He he Umpired with an agenda. He Umpire.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
He wanted to punch guys out for whatever reason he
wanted to make calls he did.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I mean, really, he he was one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
He's the first guy when you say the phrase, oh,
everybody comes to the game to watch me Umpire, Like
I need to show everybody I'm the real star of
this game. Like these guys are all playing the game,
but this is my game. And I'm gonna show you
that this is my game, because this is how I
think umpiring needs to go. Umpires need to keep these
these players in line, these players that just do whatever

(44:34):
the hell they want to on the field, swinging the
bats and throwing the balls and sliding into the bases.
I'm gonna show them just exactly how they can't do
stuff like that. And I'm gonna make my presence known.
I'm gonna announce my presence with authority.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
You know, we can always get into the advanced metrics,
and I know, there's plenty of sites that that start
diving into consistency issues with umpires and balls and strikes whatever.
But Angel Hernan, this is the poster child for why
we we've had any kind of push towards robot.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Umpires right.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Right, and just in terms of consistency at least in
that part of the game. Now, there's always gonna be
problems along the base paths, right that we'll have to adjudicate.
And you know, infield fly rules, that's something I would
have loved to hear Hawk call that one, you know,
in that Orioles White Times game. But you know, when

(45:29):
it comes down to it, if you can eliminate a
big part of the problem, which is arguing balls and
strikes and take the human element out of it, there, uh,
you know, you're you're that much closer to your your
utopia from an umpire and player and manager relations side
of things.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I mean, really, he made it all about himself. He
would umpire with an agenda and and and there's nobody
that's not happy about this. And just think about this,
do you really think it's a coincidence? Okay, because remember
because this is something I did, it's a memorial day.
It's a holiday, and people now doing different things today.
And obviously the basketball is a big deal. We'll talk,

(46:10):
we'll get back into Bill Walton and people are talking
about that.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
But a story broken major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Today that the automatic balls and strikes, the robot umpires
we've been hearing about for so long have been running
trials and the minor leagues the last few years been
working pretty well. The automatic balls and strike system will
be coming to Major League Baseball, not for next year,
but for the year after. So not for next year, okay,
but the year after. Do you really think there's a

(46:38):
coincidence that this story gets announced today and Angel Hernandez retires.
Wait a minute, you let me call balls and strikes anymore? Well,
blank you man, I'm quitting. I'm not gonna stand out
there and not make any calls. Well, something behind me
is gonna and I gotta get a buzzer in my
head when a team wants to challenge a call.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Oh no, no, not gonna happen. Not gonna do it, man,
not gonna do it. I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
I don't think there's any coincidence that we got this
story today and now this story today from Bob Nightingall.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
At eight tel hand is retiring, no way no.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I also appreciate the Lasic Twitter account. Take it to
it like they'd offered him services and he missed the call.
And there were a lot of and he missed the
call jokes that went on and on. It's too bad
that the naked gun the original was nineteen eighty eight.
Otherwise you could have really just done the one to
one correlation. Scolozzo can't get him.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
He no, he was safe for no. No, Well, Angel
Hernandez blew the call and the infield being back should have.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Cost him the game. It didn't so good right there,
he's safe, he is half the ball.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Another phone call by Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Another that's just the best man, that is just the best.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
And he's retiring now and Ade Layers is walking away.
He's not.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
I mean, normally I would say the guy had a
good run, I mean for thirty years. But it's been
thirty years of when's this guy either getting demoted, fired
or forced into retirement?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, and that didn't really happen.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Look, I mean, I get the whole I understand that
this has never been a tougher time for officials in sports. Right,
because it's the worst now, and when you think about
what's coming from Major League Baseball umpires with the balls
and strike calls that are going to be automated, Like,
what is it gonna be to be a Major League

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baseball umpire?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Now?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Basically it's just as long as a play is obvious,
it's fine, and you can call it on the field.
But when there's a question, we're gonna go look at
the replay, and that's really what's gonna tell us whether
we're gonna challenge a call because we see it go
the wrong way or not challenge because oh okay, yeah
they got it right. I mean you're basically just out

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there to make the easy calls and and that anybody
could do it. Like, I don't know what the training
is gonna be for a major League Baseball umpire because
clearly you go through games.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't know all the rules.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Oh hey sorry, yeah that rule where the pop up
thing with the orioles, Yeah, sorry, we screwed that up.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I mean, like you see us out.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
The accaging is going to be they're gonna show Angel
Hernandez stuff and they're gonna say, don't do that whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, it's like in the Simpsons when Mahmer's got in
his face? What what Bart says? Do opposite?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Like, like you think about it. You're you're Major League
baseball umpire. You go out and umpire first base and
what what? What's your job? You're umpiring the plays at
first base and you make the calls as long as
it's not close. But when it's close, it's gonna be
looked at and it's going to be decided that a
team wants to challenge. Right, So your authority has been

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taken away, and now home played umpire, their authority has
been taken away because with automatic ball strikes, it's gonna
be still. Hey, we get the the umpire gets the
note from the from the ball strikes calls the play
like now there's nothing now you're gonna make Yeah, you
make the outsafe calls at home plate. Yeah, but guess
what that's gonna be reviewed as well. If you if
if it's if it's a close play, somebody else is

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gonna do it. It's like you're just you're just you're
just taking up a suit. You're just taking up an
umpire's outfit.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
He's an empty suit. Look at that. Look yeah, so
I understand.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I understand those guys that were coaching Lebron James no suit.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So I so I understand the the the how how
tough it is to be an umpire now, but you
know still, Angel Hernandez is a guy like dude. You
you took being an umpire. You you took it to
a to a proactive and combative level.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know what I mean. It's it's it's can't get
him he was safe. No, he spoke for all of us.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
But yeah, it it really is difficult, right we we
have these conversations all the time trying to adjudicate you know,
fast moving plays the NFL. Yeah, we get to watch
it from fifteen different angles.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
These guys have to try.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
To call it live while running backwards or trying to
keep up with guys that do four three, five forties
right playing in the NBA. All right, where's the line
between there's a little bit of physicality and contact versus
all right, that's a fall or beyond that? Did the
elbow graze the guy's temple as he went to block
a shot trying to do that live versus allright, we

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gotta go to review, whereas us at home we have
it clipped off and on Twitter in thirty two seconds
boom call. Which is where we get to that. You know,
it's it's really not an enviable position.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I mean it really mean, I don't everybody it's like
a universal celebration tonight, like everybody's popping Champagne's going, let
me talk. This is what Angel Hernandez did to me
in twenty nine, Here's what Angelanda did to me in
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And everybody across Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Everybody's got the stories.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I really I want to find one person that can
really say, hey, this is where Angel hernanz Losing Angel
Hernandez is.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
A blow good, right, I don't know. I don't know
where you're gonna get.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
That one of my and there Look, there's thirty five
forty years of material from Rick Flair interviews, some of
which are like he said, but my favorite was there
was a referee in Tommy Young and you know it
was a controversial dude. But at one point Flair's doing
his best, you know, sell and he goes, look, I
don't like this guy, but he calls him like he

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sees them. Ain't nobody step into a microphone in front
and for Angel Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Tonight exit out about a friend he was no unless
maybe you know, maybe he maybe he would lend people
a lot of money. Maybe that's what I'm going to
miss him, because Hey, if I didn't have my per
diem or whatever, he would always buy dinner out on
the road or something like that.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I don't know, I don't I really isn't that what Andy?
Andy Chubb?

Speaker 4 (53:04):
And there was a guy you saw that story right
blinding and he made a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Bad move man, No, you know, maybe maybe now Angel
Hernandez is gonna go do a podcast that's gonna be
so amazingly entertaining, like it's saving and Belichick. Right, suddenly
he's gonna have all these great amazing insights.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Oh, it's see Angel Hernandez Joe West podcast. It's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Just listen to No Can he can he get hired
to be one of the guys in the in the booth?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Can we bring him to Fox? Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I really would like to hear. Hey, uh now now
bad for the not bad for the Dodgers. Mookie Bets? Hey, Angel,
what was Mookie Betts like?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Umpire? Let me tell you about this Blake. We tell
you about this dude. He thinks he's so blake. He
thinks he's so great, Mama. I love calling the inside
strike on him.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
We changed the game with Mike Pereira. Now let's go now,
Joe Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
If it was four inches off the plate, I always
called it a strike because Mookie would give me like
this side. I like it was really mad and I
like that and I wanted to see it again, so
I always called it. If I gave the I gave
the opposing picture four inches on either side of the
plate because I just didn't like Mookie bets. Oh that's great.
See look at the cat. He's gonna get a home
run here because he's gonna get umpired fairly. But me, no,
I like to make that strike zone really really no.