June 5, 2024 • 37 mins
C.J. Stroud’s TAKING Matthew Stafford & Eli manning OVER Aaron Rodgers all-time. Jason and Mike give you 4 RBs that are worth, say, 15M a year. Angel Reese got EJECTED after a double technical. And JJ Redick is apparently the frontrunner to be Lakers next head coach.
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a while since we had a good old fashion quarterback
battle trolling situation. Oh okay, we're just talking about a
battle with Zach Wilson. No, no, no, no, this is a great
this is a great trolling. I really don't like you
that we got today from Houston, Texan star quarterback CJ. Stroud,
who decided doing a podcast that he wanted to take
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on the legacy and career of Aaron Rodgers. And before
you think, well, no, he went out of his way
to say different things about Aaron Rodgers on three separate occasions,
diminishing what his career is.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Obviously this is a personal thing for him, whether it's
personal on the field personal off the field. I think
he got stubbed for an autograph as a kid or something.
I remember when I wented outside. You didn't have to
do that, but you could go sign from Matthew. That's
my brother. He's like your idol man. He loves you
more than I do. I think Matthew really existed. You
could have signed it on the starter cap. But there
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is an absolute personal reason why he decided. This wasn't
just one thing. This wasn't Aaron Rodgers catching astray. This
was three separate times during his podcas cast he decided
to criticize and call out Aaron Rodgers' career. Now we're
going to talk about all three things and breakdown just
how accurate they are. Now. The first thing he said
was when he was asked about Rogers' career, he says,
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I don't know what kind of guy he is towards
his teammates, He said, Tom Brady, we know brow great
Brady is towards teams. I don't know how great that
Rogers is towards his teammates. So let's deal with that
one first. How great is Roger towards his teammates. I
feel pretty confident that Aaron Rodgers treats his teammates pretty well.
Number one. You see how much his teammates on the
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Jets like him. You see what he's done for some
of his guys, bringing them along from different spots in
Green Bay to New York. Sure, and mainly, if he
was a bad teammate, we would have heard stories by now,
because as soon as he got traded from green Bay,
you know all the bad blood there was between Lafleur
and Kuda Kunts and everybody, we would have gotten the
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stories that, hey, here's what Aaron Rodgers did in Green Bay.
Because there's no reason why they had to protect him anymore.
They did not have to help him, know no, just
like with Russell Wilson in Seattle. As soon as he
was gone, there was no protecting him anymore, didn't have
to do it, and you got all these stories. I
had an office I was here I was on the
floor above the players. We would have gotten that about
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Aaron Rodgers, and we did not, So I feel pretty good.
And and look, Rodgers has had his reputation throughout his career.
You see stuff he has done with his teammates for
his offensive lineman. So I feel pretty good that C. J.
Stroud saying I don't know what kind of guy he
is to his teammates. I feel pretty good that Rogers
is a pretty good teammate because if not, we would
have heard that by now. Yeah, I mean, look, it
comes down to there's always going to be a few
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guys that disagree with consensus. Right, even Ernie Manks and
Cal Ripkin have had a bad day with autograph seekers,
regardless of what the overall reputation was, right of how
they've treated folks through the years. With Aaron Rodgers, yeah,
you cite the number of guys he got jobs. I mean,
Jets are still paying guys that have no business being
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anywhere near football field because of their friendship and kinship. Hell,
you got a coordinator that probably shouldn't have a job
because but he's got one because of Aaron Rodgers, who
continues to stick up for him. Because you know he
works with him but not with anybody else. Hmm, let's
think about that. But anyway, I mean, there's gonna be
guys that had issues with him. They didn't get the
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ball enough, he wasn't communicative enough right in his final
years when he wasn't around for OTAs or whatever. Is
that a bad teammate that contract. That's battle with the
front office, But certainly teammates didn't feel like the necessarily
got the hug and warm embraced to get integrated into
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the squad, perhaps as easily as they should have. Right,
they've Curry favored with the the young or the older
players and the guys he had long term relationships with
to keep their spaces. So I guess there's a little
of that. But Baktiari go on go on down the
line that we've got nothing that's really over the the top.
The word selfish comes up a bunch, but again that's
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more a business structure, threat of retirement, and a don't
you know who I am kind of overall approach, which
you're the quarterback, you're gonna have that to a degree,
and that it's a matter of how you treat guys
from there. So Rogers has disputed that from his time
in Green Bay. Certainly, everything's great in New York and
everything right now in New Jersey. But you guys grow
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up and change. We've never heard he was a bad team,
but we never got the bad story. So I feel
pretty good about that now. The second one is he
was asked whose career he would rather have, Aaron Rodgers
or Eli Manning. And this is CJ. Stroud's answer, if
you had to pick a career to have, I'm gonna
have Amraon rodgers career or I'm gonna have Eli Manning's career.
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Who career are you taking? We want the rings? No,
you don't want that's all that man rings? That nothing
is nothing. That dude went Leny Man. That Randy's having
Madison Square Gordon, Yeah, seventeen. Now it means something. Get
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out here, Elizabeth h Okay, I get wanting the rings.
I understand that, but who come on, let's be honest.
Aaron Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. Here, Aaron Rodgers
won a Super Bowl. He's forty years old, he's still playing.
Eli was done at thirty four. Rogers is going to
finish his career as one of the top ten quarterbacks
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of all time. Eli Manning is not Eli Manning was
one game over five hundred for his career. He's won
two Super Bowls. I'm not saying that. He's won two
super Bowls and they were two of the most memorable
super Bowls you could possibly have. If Rogers hadn't won,
I would say, well, okay, maybe, but Rogers has won
a super Bowl and he's gonna win this year with
the Jets. He's won a Super bowlready, so he's got one.
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Eli's got two. But Rogers career, the guy's gonna go
to the Hall of Fame again. One of the ten
best quarterbacks any of us have seen. Yeah, I think
I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers career. It's not like he
hasn't won. So again here I think here C J.
Stroud doesn't like Aaron Rodgers, So I'm gonna take Eli's career.
You're okay being one game over five hundred your entire career,
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really never being viewed as one of the best quarterbacks
in the NFL. You're okay with that. I don't think
he is. See, I would take Eli because I can't
write the history of the NFL without him. You think
you can without Aaron Rodgers. No, you can't. Are you kidding?
He's been the only guy we've talked about for three
years now. He's been the guy. He's been the only
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But a lot of it wasn't about his play. And look,
he's won MVPs. Great, that's I don't deny his greatness.
But there's other guys that have won MVPs. Any sure, sure, right.
A lot of the talk was, hey, he's holding the
Packers over, you know, over putting him over the falls
and a barrel, eh, you know, with his retirement talk
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and holding the team hostage and all of those things
through the years, and then the Jets And I'm not
even getting into the other, the the other part of
the Aaron Rodgers stuff. And people can debate that. I'm
just talking from a football side. Well, I wonder if
that's why CJ. Stroud is very mad Aaron. But I'll
make the argument for Eli is that you have two
of the greatest plays ever. You got two Super Bowl
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wins for the New York Football Giants. You're a Manning
so you equal to Peyton's Super Bowl total. You beat
the there to four. Is that a word? Sure? Here
to four here to four, well no, but everywhere at
four to four all time, an unbeaten Patriots squad, right
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and trying to go perfect and do all that stuff,
and you get the w there. You're a legend and
you're probably gonna go to the Hall of Fame too.
But you how many times do we see highlights of
Aaron Rodgers throws in like greatest montage of NFL history?
We don't. We got to Eli's that pop in. Well
you see, yeah, you see the Super Bowl. I mean,
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you're right, you're absolutely right. Eli had a really, really
good career. But you're talking about a legacy of Okay,
this again, the guy's gonna go down one of the
ten best quarterbacks ever. He's going to the Hall of Fame.
But we dismiss Bradshaw, we dismiss Akman collectively, we celebrate him.
But it's the idea that those are guys with multiple rings, right,
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And then you've got Dann Marina you never won, Yeah,
oh he's so great, Dan Marina and John Elway gets
reduced to a guy who was great but needed Terrell
Davis to get over. Just give the ball to Terrell Davison.
They were but you know, what I mean like, it's
all of that and Aaron Rodgers is in the middle
of all of that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Good, all right, Jason matt Ryan's a better quarterback than Area.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Get that flame though.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You want me to stop, you stop saying Aaron Rodgers
is a top ten all time.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Listen, c J. Stroud, Listen, c J. Stroud, just keep
your opinions to your side. Appearing his achilles. Now here's
the last one. This one. I'm gonna give you a
little bit on uh for c J. Stroud. Matthew Stafford
is his guy. He's a guy he has talked about. Hey,
this is a guy I looked at, I look at
the film of him. I look at what he's done.
Stafford's my guy. I try to do some things that
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he does. And here's what he said about Stafford. If
Stafford for the majority of his career had the players
around him that Aaron Rodgers did.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Stafford, Hey, Stafford, another one, bro, he might be up
there with Brady and them.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But no, that's crazy, that's great. Mean, let me go
back almost do it in a game. Stafford a dog.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
He is a No, you don't understand, bro, you saying
that that's all I watch I'll watch nobody else. I'll
watch Mahomes at times because Mahomes did some stuff that like,
you can't coach Stafford dog, he will beat you with
the same thing every time. All that no lick stuff.
I got that from Bruh. That's one of my big
like I'm a fan of. He's like I'm trying to
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find bros.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'll be trying to like that's Charles welkle hold on.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
If you gave Matthew Stafford a chance like Aarons, I
guarantee you might have had more rings for Shure, I.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Think, yeah, he another ring problem. No, I'll say he
had like three four all right, so three you're four.
Man had Aaron Rodgers weapons and teammates, he would have
three or four more rings. Okay, let's let's stop for
a second because I'm going to give you something. But
but but we have to be realistic about this. There's
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nothing that Matthew Stafford could have done during the regular
season that Aaron Rodgers didn't do because Rogers got a
team of the playoffs every year. All right, So you're
talking about the playoffs where Aaron Rodgers has underachieved. There's
at least two seasons where I could look at it
and say they didn't get to the super Bowl because
he was bad. One of them was just two years ago,
the NFC title game. How do you lose that game
right at home? You don't even put a touchdown on
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the board. How do you lose that game to San Francisco? Right?
So if Stafford, who was extremely talented quarterback, if he
had Aaron Rodgers guys, I would say this, Stafford would
have won more Super Bowl because it's not like the
Packers were the modern day Chiefs, not like they were
some kind of dynasty and every year they fell short. No,
they were a good team in a bad division. They
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got to the playoffs, but not you know, only one
team is going to win once in a while, right,
You had the Patriots winning every other year for a
long time. You had now the Chiefs win every other year.
But Stafford probably would have found a way to get
past a couple of those one of those NFC title
games into the super Bowl and won. So I'll say yes,
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because of Rodgers falling short in the playoffs and Stafford,
you see the kind of playoff quarterback he is, I'll
say yes, Stafford would have at least one would have
one more ring, but not three or four because that
wasn't the team that Green Bay had. They got a
dang it. I just put up the poll question off
the first seed stroud thing of Rogers versus Manning. So
go ahead and vote up there at Swollen Dome at
how about a fresco at Fox Sports Radio. As for
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this one, I mean, Stafford was always the guy that
Aaron Rodgers would prop up as the guy he wanted
to watch any opponent of Hey, I had to see
what he was doing on the field time and time again.
So and I've been one of Stafford's biggest defenders to
that point as well, is give me a team. And
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he had some stars, right, don't don't get me wrong,
Like he played with some heavy weights along the way,
but there was no stability there. The one thing we
can always say about Green Bay, other than fighting with
their quarterbacks over retirement whatever did you get me enough
first round pick receivers? Was they they had organizational stability.
They're one of the few franchises that you just say, Okay,
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it may get a little wonky at times, but overall
they're still moving in a direction as opposed to looking
at each other in these proverbial Spider Man meme going
all right, who's actually making the call on this one?
And have we cycled out another coach? So the the
Aaron Rodgers loving Matthew Stafford in line with how I've
always kind of looked at him, He's like, Wow, it's
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just too bad this that the other. Doesn't mean he's
performed at his best in big moments either. He had
his share of failures where the ball was in his
hands and he didn't deliver for the Lions as well.
But yeah, three four is absurd. Now that's a lot.
But you know that's the if I really want to
bludge at Aaron Rodgers, this is how I do it. Wait,
he's at least getting one more. No, screw that three
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or four. If Zach Wilson had the guys around him
that Aaron Rodgers and he'd have three super Bowls by
now three years, three super Bowls. Jets sho exit out
about a Fresca exit swallendum. You can tell C. J.
Stroud just does not like Aaron Rodgers. Oh, by the way,
Halloween Texans at Jets. You know Rodgers filed this away.
He'll be ready for that'll be on the bench. Coming
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up next, we got a big ejection from tonight to
get to as well as if you like that quarterback debate, boyd,
we got a great running back one coming your way
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that day. It's a day of rest. Uh. We broke
down c J. Stroud and is obviously out and out
hatred of Aaron Rodgers a few minutes ago. But there's
another big NFL story today. We will watched Christian McCaffrey
get paid best running back in the NFL sets the
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market gets a two year, thirty eight million dollar extension
with the forty nine ers. You do quick math, that
is nineteen million dollars a year. Fom first, I will
say this not that this is official collusion, but I
don't think it's a coincidence that the people who are
viewed as largely as the two best players at their
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position skill positions set the market one day apart from
each other yesterday. Justin Jefferson gets the money that now
sets the wide receiver market. Because he's the best, people
are gonna get more than him. And now Christian McCaffrey,
best running back in the NFL, he sets the running
back market. People aren't gonna get more than him. Not
official to the sense of I think everybody got together,
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but I think this was one of those Hey, just
so you know, we're all gonna wait until you sign
these guys and then we're gonna move forward. There so pragmatism.
No nobody got paid until now these guys get paid.
Now you'll see the other The Bengals certainly weren't going
to jump in, and Jerry Jones is operating on a
number of levels, right, and he had no money. I
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have no cash. Well, but he had to look at
what everybody was doing in the Dallas market in terms
of their playoff success, and then he's got to do
the flip a coin between Cede Lamb and Dak Prescott.
The coin land in the middle, so it's easy to
just land it straight on its edge, right in the middle,
so it was easy for him to sit and wait.
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The forty nine ers have their decisions to make, and
there's still a lot of rumblings that eventually Ayuk or
Deebo finds himself in a steeler's uniform. That still keeps
circulating and everybody going down steal is gonna get somebody
at the exact I'm great, just keep lining it up
all the way through that it makes sense like we're
just gonna wait until you jump first. But the other
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part of it is this now to say, okay, here's
Christian McCaffrey, who was at the running back market nineteen
million a year. If you said to me, okay, who's next,
I would tell you there's only a couple of guys.
Let's say fifteen million dollars a year is the next benchmark.
There's only a couple of guys that I would give
fifteen million dollars a year two right now, and there's
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a couple of guys after that that if they do
it again this year, I'd be okay with it. There's
four running backs, and this is regardless of where they
are with their rookie contract. This is about who's talented enough,
who's good enough to be worth fifteen million dollars a
year because right now there's two guys that are gonna
make an average salary. McCaffrey at is nineteen and then
Kamara is sitting at fifteen. Yeah, and that's that contract
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is boys, He's lucky he signed it. It ends next year.
The two guys, I would definitely give fifteen million a year.
Two Breese Hall and Jamier Gibbs. Breese Hall comes back
from the torn ACL a year ago. He has a
great year. This year's second most all purpose yards in
the game. And look, now, you can't just be running
back that puts up numbers running the football. You have
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to catch the ball out of the backfield. That's what
he does. I know there was the injury thing early on,
but he comes back, has a big, healthy year. He's
probably the second best running back in the NFL. And
Jamiir Gibbs shows that talent level that he had through
no fault of his own. The Lions still wanted to
give the ball to David Montgomery. Okay, that's fine. But
this is a guy who can flesh running the ball,
catching the ball, average five yards of carry. I love
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Jamiir gibbs Is. This is the guy easily. He's like
the next Alvin Kamara. He's the guy I would give
fifteen million a year. Two. So the guys that definitively
do it, Brice Hall and Jamier Gibbs. Let's see ankle
injuries for Gibbs, Hall a year removed from the ACL.
I don't have to pay him for a while. I
ain't paying him for a while. No, you don't have
to pay button. But who who's worth fifteen million? Who
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are the best running potentially? I give fifteen million potentially
you can get the fifteen right when we're talking about
salary cap coming up, because that's the other part and
right it all. It doesn't work in a vacuum, all right,
it's not just here's the running back position. Because McCaffrey
far and away as a dual threat, he's got to
like show hey, o Todi. All right, I'm paying what
I'm paying ten million for him as a running back
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and nine million for him as a receiver, Show hey
as pitcher and hit her respectively. Of course, But yeah,
you knew what you meant that they knew, well, I
hope they knew. Never know, Yeah they knew. I think
they knew you might have a percentage that they said
was confused by the analogous claims. But yeah, with all
running backs, I'm a wait and see guy, And even McCaffrey,
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you go into your fantasy and think and you're like,
all right, do I double down? He was number one
last year? Do I double down?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Right now you have to, but you're still sitting on
But yeah, for who are your other two guys? The
other two guys that if they one guy if he
does it again, and one guy if he builds on
last year. These are the guys after this year, I
would give fifteen million a year. Two if James Cook
does it again with the bills, I would give him
fifteen million dollars a year. And he's gonna be a
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bigger part of all offense this year as well. Know
Stefan Da he's gonna be him and Dalton Kincaid are
gonna be the two biggest weapons on that offense. Cook
could catch a hundred balls offense sets up and the
other guy who for some reason just didn't get the
ball as much as he should have. Probably why yeah,
which is probably why their head coach got fired. Is
b Jon Robinson. If he if they give him the bike,
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I know he's going to produce if he goes on
an upward curve from last year. He's the other guy
that's worth fifteen him in the box. The question is
does he get enough workload in with you know Captain
Kirk running the show? Oh yeah, we look, there was
there was enough for Dalvin Cook to put up big
numbers when when Kirk Cousins was there. Now it should work.
We'll see as it flows. But again, you know a
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guy that I got to see do it first. That's
the beauty of it. Yeah, it's year no, But if
they do it this year, those two guys I'd put
in the fifteen million dollars start feeling better about it.
But until I have to pay him, I hold up.
But that's I mean, this is regardless, this is a
salary where they are. This is who are the guys
that are worth fifteen million dollars? A few years ago
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Derrick Henry was worth that, but not anymore because he's
thirty years he was Josh Jacobs after his big year.
You look at guys laying him into a wall, ra
Shad White or Travis Et and these guys arent even
average four yards accounts. Most of these guys are now.
I mean, we're looking at war Clodes splits for reasons.
And that's one of the concerns of Gibbs of whether
how much of that was all right. We already had
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sunken cost in Montgomery before we realized how good Gibbs was.
He missed some time due to injury, but also the
fact that, all right, we don't think he's a guy
that can touch the ball twenty times a game that
remains to be seen. Last year, Dan, they did the
right thing. And this is why Dan Campbell's a great
head coach outside of the biffing of the NFC title game,
is that he brought him along slow. Everybody wanted him
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to have the football early on. And what happened because
he brought him along slow, Jamier Gibbs was playing at
an extremely high level when they needed him at the
end of the season. There was no rookie wall, there
was no here's all these carries the first five weeks
and boy, you're great and suddenly we eleven. It's this
guy's done. We have to wait for next year from
his body to get used to the pounding to the NFL.
So he did the right thing. Could you give give
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the gives the ball five to seven more times a game. Yeah,
I'm not saying suddenly, it's got to be he's got
to have twenty some odd run, but instead of David
Montgomery out carrying him by ten, it should be more
of an even more even. The other thing both the
Lions and the Falcons have that should allow these guys
to excel on a whole other level is they're two
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of the best offensive lines in the game. Right, Detroit
standing among the absolute best. I think Atlanta ranked fifth
to seventh or something like that. And that's even without
Robinson having a monster year. Right, we'd seen all year
in company have a big success in twenty twenty two,
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and now you would expect in twenty twenty four with
a more diverse, diversified offensive approach, I e. You could
complete a downfield path that it should open up some
running lanes and opportunities. So yeah, get that wallet open,
let's go. There's your list. Angel Reese gets thrown out
of the Skies lost to the Liberty tonight. I thought
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it was about us resetting the market. We're resetting the
sports radio market. She gets thrown out of a game
in which the Liberty takeover in the fourth quarter. Was
a close game, and she gets very frustrated with a
foul call off a loose ball, and she gets teed
up because she says something to the to the official
and then kind of gives a hand wave dismass. What
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the hell. Yeah, that was the thing we my dad
used to do when he was mad at us. And
there's and there's your second tea, and she gets a
jet very quick. We would play the play by play
for you, but they bought you the play by play.
People didn't even know what was going on. They were
trying to call it on. One of the Liberties might know.
Laney Hamilton, who's part of the play. You got three
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members of the Sky and then Laney Hamilton in there,
who's just standing there. Got a what am I watching?
They biffed the call, But that's okay. We saw Angel
Reese go to the locker room and already Lonzo Ball
is saying, oh, I'll pay her fine. Ye. Did she
get thrown out for just saying that call was bs.
There's two takeaways for this, and the first one is that, look,
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we don't know and I don't know what was said.
Maybe she was chirping the whole game. Maybe the official
was a little bit overboard. We're throwing around, but I
guarantee you this is what's behind it. You can't tell
me there wasn't some kind of meeting conversation between the
league and the officials after what happened this weekend and
the official not calling a flagrant, not taking care of
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the Kennedy Carter foul on Caitlin Clark, which was a
dirty play. Initially it was dirty play and it's right
in front of the referee and they let it go.
And you saw how embarrassing that was for the WNBA.
We talked about it last night. They show they can't
handle success. And I guarantee you that there is a
meeting where it was you guys see it, you guys
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call it. We're not gonna have stuff get out of
control like we're not gonna have it other three days
like we had here where all of a sudden people
think that it's a racial situation and everybody hates our
star player and average fans are going, why are they
worrying about who gets credit for success on things? We're
not gonna be a clown show. You call it, you
see it, call it? How do you not call that
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a flagrant? How do you not take care of that?
So something like that that happens right here, I can
see where the officials got a quick whistle and two
te's and you're gone, because now they have to take
care of this. Because if Caitlyn Clark and other stars
are going to be played rough and physical, well the
game has to be refereed the right way. You can't
just say, well, I'm gonna let no no, no, I
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it's if it's a bad foul and it's over the line,
you have because that's what's gonna be the checks and balances.
Teams can be physical towards these players, right Angel Rees
got thrown down. There was a big deal. You know,
Kaitlyn Clark gets thrown down. Okay, that's fine, that's part
of the game. This part of the initiation other players
go through. But if you're the official, you have to
make sure that, Okay, I'm gonna make the proper call
because it's not just going to be open season on
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these players, because after I saw that Saturday, I was like, yeah,
that's open season on Caitlin Clark. You know, you commit
that play, it's just a foul. You stay in the
game and everything else goes on. Yeah, it's open season.
So so I can see I can guarantee you without knowing,
like Bill Maher, I don't know this for a fact.
I just know it's true that there was some kind
of conversation, Hey, call these games better because we're not
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having a replay last week.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, and in this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Particular case, it's not a physicality thing, right, it's reach
and fill. It's getting on a short fuse. Well, that's
the question of how how many times had she been
playing like Sabrina and asked you said, wait, she got
two technicals for saying that. That was bs like and
she's hurt on a hot mic, right, It's like, really
that's it. But you get the dismissive wave, et cetera.
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You know that's thing skin like, that's that's a quick hook.
But to your point, yeah, I gotta imagine as much
as you know the old oh publicity is bad publicity
kind of thing. There's you hit a point you had
a saturation point where it was questioning the integrity of
the league and a lot of the players and everything else,
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versus celebrating ratings being up, celebrating attendance, celebrating sales, celebrating that.
It's part of the conversation as a whole across sports
talk radio and television. Not that anybody needs to jump
to the forefront to take credit for being there first
and planting their plag just the idea that the conversation
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wasn't about the play overall, but that singular play. Yeah,
I gotta imagine the league they had some.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Guy I had no idea. Angel Hernandez was the head
of officiating for the WNB.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's a new job now. He's quick. He's
just well, no, he would have know. The thing is,
if he really was running it, he would have missed
that call.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You go, Tom, indeed, how did you get that job
so quick?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It's but it's Jason. You go back to the play
with like even watch it because wow, that was a
big hit, right, the one that Clark took on Saturday.
But it was still just the moment of all right,
she flies a little bit, right, she flops a little
bit and then you go to review it and then
you just you dismiss it. There, it's one thing on
the court to just go all right, did she kind
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of jump away from it whatever?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But then you go to.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Review and you're like, no, that's enough of a body
and it's still a dead ball situation, et cetera. Likewise,
you know the Angel Reese thing. Sorry, that wasn't adjudicated
better because Thomas body slammer her basically clotheslined her. That
was not a play on the ball. But you get
into the physicality of the game, and that's the one
thing I think really everybody comes away with. Wherever you're
on on the fence, girls get after it. The women
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are fighting for rebounds, loose balls, etc. Well look, and
I'll say this really quick, because I gave you the
Bowl prediction. I said, look, Caitlin Clark's coming into the league.
She's got Steph Curry skills, and Angel Reese is coming
into the league and she's gonna be Draymond Green without
the ejections. That was my tweet three months ago, and
I was like, maybe now it's with the ejections because
her career is very similar. Right, She's not a great
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offensive player, but she'll score point. She's a great rebounder,
she's a great defender. She's a leader, she's an energy person.
She's famous, she's a big star. She likes she likes
having a big profile. Same thing with Draymond Green. And
if this is the rivalry that carries the WNBA for
the next ten years, and it's it's and it's Steph
and Draymond, and it's Caitlin and it's it's Angel Rees. Hey,
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that's great stuff on the WNBA telling you now she's
Draymond with the ejections. Look at that kind of dig
that bonus. Coming up next, we may now know the
answer to the biggest question in the NBA the last
couple of weeks. That's next, Jason to Mike, Fox Sports Radio.
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The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon
Live from the tirag dot com studios. And uh, look,
we're probably not going to get this official until after
the NBA Finals because he's working the finals for ESPN,
but we've heard a lot of reports today that the
Lakers are this close, and I feel like doing a Tomliney.
I'm holding my fingers very close together. It's waffer thin
(32:14):
that JJ Reddick to the Lakers is going to happen, right,
A lot of sources just not official. It's been a
worst kept secret the past few weeks at JJ Redick
is the front runner. He's this now we're hearing it's
really really close. Oh, we've gotten a public job interview
with the podcast they've been doing. Oh that's true. Yeah,
what do you think Darvin ham should have done here?
(32:36):
How about the play calling by Rick Carlisle in the
final two minutes Lebron's I'm gonna interview you during your podcast, JJ?
What would you do if you were up three in
this situation? JJ? The first thing I love about this
is that when people tweeting about this tonight going man,
Lakers going to really get this guy, and they're all
showing old highlights of JJ Reddick, like hitting threes, Reddick
for three, And I really I just keep thinking about
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Major League two, like when Roger dord is retired and
Corvin Burnson's retired, but the team is hitting some you
know they need players, they're hitting rough times, and he goes.
He comes up and he says, as at eight o'clock
this morning, I activated myself and he takes off his
trench coat. He's got his Indians jersey on, Like, I
feel like that's what JJ Reddick's gonna do. Hey, we've
lost five out of seven, but I've activated myself and
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I'm coming off the bench. Ton Blincoln wasn't able to
get me the shooter I needed. So guess what the shooter?
I'm the guy. I'm the guy. And he still has
the shirt and tie on up top, but he's got
his his Jim shorts ready to go the best. Look
this is gonna happen. We've not heard anybody else. We
keep hearing JJ Reddick's name. Yeah, Brego as an assistant,
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and potentially they like him. They interviewed him a couple
of times. I just don't see how this is gonna
be something that matters. Is it gonna be fun for us? Sure? Yeah?
Is it gonna be fun headlines? Yeah, But you're taking
a guy who's coming out of broadcasting with no coaching experience,
who's been spitting out hot takes. He's been a hot
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take broadcaster and now again, I like the story just
means some point I can manage the Mets. But you're
not just giving him any NBA jump. You're saying, go
coach the Lakers and a team that what has been
the biggest thing in the last four years, They've been
impossible to coach. JJ Reddick has the answer. Look Lebron
and JJ Redick A dudes like you think Lebron is
gonna listen to JJ Redick and Reddick's gonna come in
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and be able to set the culture. No, Lebron and
AD are gonna do whatever they want to, which is
what they've done the past couple of years, and it's
gonna be easier because they're not gonna fight with Darvin Ham.
JJ Redder's gonna be okay, Hey, JJ, this is what
we do. I can't see him coming in and building
a culture. It's too hard. You have the players that
aren't gonna listen to him if he comes in and
is a hard ass, because you're hearing that's kind of
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the coach the JJ re I'm gonna come in and
be this guy because those players aren't gonna listen. Look,
Lebron and A d aren't gonna listen to him. But
if he comes in saying, hey, let's all work together,
he's not gonna get the other guys. It's an impossible
situation for him to come in to say, okay, right
here now, I'm gonna be a big culture builder and
a difference maker. He's good, But when it comes down
to it, the Lakers are gonna be the same, and
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they're gonna struggle. They're gonna show they have some brilliance,
but then they're gonna struggle again. Then they'll show some
more brilliance and they'll enter the playoffs as a team
that maybe can do something. Now, hopefully they can make
a deal at some point. Now we're hearing the Bulls
want to give Zach Lavine away and maybe that will help.
But coaching wise, it's gonna be the same. It's the
same as it was with Vogel, same as it was
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with Darvin Ham, same is gonna be with JJ Reddick.
I just can't see him making a difference again. Fun
for us, But is he really gonna come in and
Lebron and ad are gonna say we're doing everything you say?
I don't see it. But even if they did, how
much of you jumping in the Western Conference? Are they
gonna be able to play seventy games each? You had
that this year and look what hell? But that's what
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I mean. You're looking at a Western Conference that's loaded.
And that's with Memphis getting jaw back, Houston getting a
year older. They're pretty solid, right. They put a scare
in some teams down the stretch, like, all right, they're
growing and just keep going on down the line. There's
nobody that's just an absolute doormat. So what are you
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fighting to get back into the play here once again?
And that's if everything goes right, and how do you
round out the rest of the roster, you know, and
make make moves to That's why you joke about Reddick
being a shooter. For him, I activated myself. So all right,
JJ off the bench, so he'll actually have a play
drawing up in the huddle, so we won't have the
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empty clipboard and stick figures or whatever the hell Ham
was doing at that one point. You guys, that wasn't docing. Man.
You're not getting Doc Rivers could take the w take
the win on this one. You're not getting get in
the next pot Riley. You're not getting you'd be lucky
if you're getting Lincoln Riley. I don't think you want him.
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Tay g Abraham Lincoln. Four score and seven years ago,
I invented the game of bett. No, he would have
been dominating in the low post. He would have been,
but they wouldn't have allowed him to wear that hat
that gave him a lot of height. Like he's like,
you know, fletch, but yeah, hat six nine six five
without hat. He's the wemby of president too, he is.
I like that. I like that, the wemby of presidents.
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I like that's pretty good. I'm big in that. But yeah,
I can't now. I'm just thinking Abraham Lincoln in the
Laker jersey and he tips his hat to a guy
that comes and he blocks a shot. But it's gonna
be great because we're in Los Angeles. Blocks a shot
with the hat. I held the hat off the top
of my head and I blocked. The city starts having
debates in the low post exit out about of Fresco
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a while since we had a good old fashion quarterback
battle trolling situation. Oh okay, we're just talking about a
battle with Zach Wilson. No, no, no, no, this is a great
this is a great trolling. I really don't like you
that we got today from Houston, Texan star quarterback CJ. Stroud,
who decided doing a podcast that he wanted to take
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on the legacy and career of Aaron Rodgers. And before
you think, well, no, he went out of his way
to say different things about Aaron Rodgers on three separate occasions,
diminishing what his career is.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Obviously this is a personal thing for him, whether it's
personal on the field personal off the field. I think
he got stubbed for an autograph as a kid or something.
I remember when I wented outside. You didn't have to
do that, but you could go sign from Matthew. That's
my brother. He's like your idol man. He loves you
more than I do. I think Matthew really existed. You
could have signed it on the starter cap. But there
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is an absolute personal reason why he decided. This wasn't
just one thing. This wasn't Aaron Rodgers catching astray. This
was three separate times during his podcas cast he decided
to criticize and call out Aaron Rodgers' career. Now we're
going to talk about all three things and breakdown just
how accurate they are. Now. The first thing he said
was when he was asked about Rogers' career, he says,
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I don't know what kind of guy he is towards
his teammates, He said, Tom Brady, we know brow great
Brady is towards teams. I don't know how great that
Rogers is towards his teammates. So let's deal with that
one first. How great is Roger towards his teammates. I
feel pretty confident that Aaron Rodgers treats his teammates pretty well.
Number one. You see how much his teammates on the
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Jets like him. You see what he's done for some
of his guys, bringing them along from different spots in
Green Bay to New York. Sure, and mainly, if he
was a bad teammate, we would have heard stories by now,
because as soon as he got traded from green Bay,
you know all the bad blood there was between Lafleur
and Kuda Kunts and everybody, we would have gotten the
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stories that, hey, here's what Aaron Rodgers did in Green Bay.
Because there's no reason why they had to protect him anymore.
They did not have to help him, know no, just
like with Russell Wilson in Seattle. As soon as he
was gone, there was no protecting him anymore, didn't have
to do it, and you got all these stories. I
had an office I was here I was on the
floor above the players. We would have gotten that about
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Aaron Rodgers, and we did not, So I feel pretty good.
And and look, Rodgers has had his reputation throughout his career.
You see stuff he has done with his teammates for
his offensive lineman. So I feel pretty good that C. J.
Stroud saying I don't know what kind of guy he
is to his teammates. I feel pretty good that Rogers
is a pretty good teammate because if not, we would
have heard that by now. Yeah, I mean, look, it
comes down to there's always going to be a few
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guys that disagree with consensus. Right, even Ernie Manks and
Cal Ripkin have had a bad day with autograph seekers,
regardless of what the overall reputation was, right of how
they've treated folks through the years. With Aaron Rodgers, yeah,
you cite the number of guys he got jobs. I mean,
Jets are still paying guys that have no business being
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anywhere near football field because of their friendship and kinship. Hell,
you got a coordinator that probably shouldn't have a job
because but he's got one because of Aaron Rodgers, who
continues to stick up for him. Because you know he
works with him but not with anybody else. Hmm, let's
think about that. But anyway, I mean, there's gonna be
guys that had issues with him. They didn't get the
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ball enough, he wasn't communicative enough right in his final
years when he wasn't around for OTAs or whatever. Is
that a bad teammate that contract. That's battle with the
front office, But certainly teammates didn't feel like the necessarily
got the hug and warm embraced to get integrated into
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the squad, perhaps as easily as they should have. Right,
they've Curry favored with the the young or the older
players and the guys he had long term relationships with
to keep their spaces. So I guess there's a little
of that. But Baktiari go on go on down the
line that we've got nothing that's really over the the top.
The word selfish comes up a bunch, but again that's
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more a business structure, threat of retirement, and a don't
you know who I am kind of overall approach, which
you're the quarterback, you're gonna have that to a degree,
and that it's a matter of how you treat guys
from there. So Rogers has disputed that from his time
in Green Bay. Certainly, everything's great in New York and
everything right now in New Jersey. But you guys grow
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up and change. We've never heard he was a bad team,
but we never got the bad story. So I feel
pretty good about that now. The second one is he
was asked whose career he would rather have, Aaron Rodgers
or Eli Manning. And this is CJ. Stroud's answer, if
you had to pick a career to have, I'm gonna
have Amraon rodgers career or I'm gonna have Eli Manning's career.
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Who career are you taking? We want the rings? No,
you don't want that's all that man rings? That nothing
is nothing. That dude went Leny Man. That Randy's having
Madison Square Gordon, Yeah, seventeen. Now it means something. Get
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out here, Elizabeth h Okay, I get wanting the rings.
I understand that, but who come on, let's be honest.
Aaron Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. Here, Aaron Rodgers
won a Super Bowl. He's forty years old, he's still playing.
Eli was done at thirty four. Rogers is going to
finish his career as one of the top ten quarterbacks
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of all time. Eli Manning is not Eli Manning was
one game over five hundred for his career. He's won
two Super Bowls. I'm not saying that. He's won two
super Bowls and they were two of the most memorable
super Bowls you could possibly have. If Rogers hadn't won,
I would say, well, okay, maybe, but Rogers has won
a super Bowl and he's gonna win this year with
the Jets. He's won a Super bowlready, so he's got one.
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Eli's got two. But Rogers career, the guy's gonna go
to the Hall of Fame again. One of the ten
best quarterbacks any of us have seen. Yeah, I think
I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers career. It's not like he
hasn't won. So again here I think here C J.
Stroud doesn't like Aaron Rodgers, So I'm gonna take Eli's career.
You're okay being one game over five hundred your entire career,
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really never being viewed as one of the best quarterbacks
in the NFL. You're okay with that. I don't think
he is. See, I would take Eli because I can't
write the history of the NFL without him. You think
you can without Aaron Rodgers. No, you can't. Are you kidding?
He's been the only guy we've talked about for three
years now. He's been the guy. He's been the only
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But a lot of it wasn't about his play. And look,
he's won MVPs. Great, that's I don't deny his greatness.
But there's other guys that have won MVPs. Any sure, sure, right.
A lot of the talk was, hey, he's holding the
Packers over, you know, over putting him over the falls
and a barrel, eh, you know, with his retirement talk
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and holding the team hostage and all of those things
through the years, and then the Jets And I'm not
even getting into the other, the the other part of
the Aaron Rodgers stuff. And people can debate that. I'm
just talking from a football side. Well, I wonder if
that's why CJ. Stroud is very mad Aaron. But I'll
make the argument for Eli is that you have two
of the greatest plays ever. You got two Super Bowl
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wins for the New York Football Giants. You're a Manning
so you equal to Peyton's Super Bowl total. You beat
the there to four. Is that a word? Sure? Here
to four here to four, well no, but everywhere at
four to four all time, an unbeaten Patriots squad, right
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and trying to go perfect and do all that stuff,
and you get the w there. You're a legend and
you're probably gonna go to the Hall of Fame too.
But you how many times do we see highlights of
Aaron Rodgers throws in like greatest montage of NFL history?
We don't. We got to Eli's that pop in. Well
you see, yeah, you see the Super Bowl. I mean,
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you're right, you're absolutely right. Eli had a really, really
good career. But you're talking about a legacy of Okay,
this again, the guy's gonna go down one of the
ten best quarterbacks ever. He's going to the Hall of Fame.
But we dismiss Bradshaw, we dismiss Akman collectively, we celebrate him.
But it's the idea that those are guys with multiple rings, right,
(09:30):
And then you've got Dann Marina you never won, Yeah,
oh he's so great, Dan Marina and John Elway gets
reduced to a guy who was great but needed Terrell
Davis to get over. Just give the ball to Terrell Davison.
They were but you know, what I mean like, it's
all of that and Aaron Rodgers is in the middle
of all of that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Good, all right, Jason matt Ryan's a better quarterback than Area.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Get that flame though.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You want me to stop, you stop saying Aaron Rodgers
is a top ten all time.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Listen, c J. Stroud, Listen, c J. Stroud, just keep
your opinions to your side. Appearing his achilles. Now here's
the last one. This one. I'm gonna give you a
little bit on uh for c J. Stroud. Matthew Stafford
is his guy. He's a guy he has talked about. Hey,
this is a guy I looked at, I look at
the film of him. I look at what he's done.
Stafford's my guy. I try to do some things that
(10:22):
he does. And here's what he said about Stafford. If
Stafford for the majority of his career had the players
around him that Aaron Rodgers did.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Stafford, Hey, Stafford, another one, bro, he might be up
there with Brady and them.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But no, that's crazy, that's great. Mean, let me go
back almost do it in a game. Stafford a dog.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
He is a No, you don't understand, bro, you saying
that that's all I watch I'll watch nobody else. I'll
watch Mahomes at times because Mahomes did some stuff that like,
you can't coach Stafford dog, he will beat you with
the same thing every time. All that no lick stuff.
I got that from Bruh. That's one of my big
like I'm a fan of. He's like I'm trying to
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find bros.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'll be trying to like that's Charles welkle hold on.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
If you gave Matthew Stafford a chance like Aarons, I
guarantee you might have had more rings for Shure, I.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Think, yeah, he another ring problem. No, I'll say he
had like three four all right, so three you're four.
Man had Aaron Rodgers weapons and teammates, he would have
three or four more rings. Okay, let's let's stop for
a second because I'm going to give you something. But
but but we have to be realistic about this. There's
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nothing that Matthew Stafford could have done during the regular
season that Aaron Rodgers didn't do because Rogers got a
team of the playoffs every year. All right, So you're
talking about the playoffs where Aaron Rodgers has underachieved. There's
at least two seasons where I could look at it
and say they didn't get to the super Bowl because
he was bad. One of them was just two years ago,
the NFC title game. How do you lose that game
right at home? You don't even put a touchdown on
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the board. How do you lose that game to San Francisco? Right?
So if Stafford, who was extremely talented quarterback, if he
had Aaron Rodgers guys, I would say this, Stafford would
have won more Super Bowl because it's not like the
Packers were the modern day Chiefs, not like they were
some kind of dynasty and every year they fell short. No,
they were a good team in a bad division. They
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got to the playoffs, but not you know, only one
team is going to win once in a while, right,
You had the Patriots winning every other year for a
long time. You had now the Chiefs win every other year.
But Stafford probably would have found a way to get
past a couple of those one of those NFC title
games into the super Bowl and won. So I'll say yes,
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because of Rodgers falling short in the playoffs and Stafford,
you see the kind of playoff quarterback he is, I'll
say yes, Stafford would have at least one would have
one more ring, but not three or four because that
wasn't the team that Green Bay had. They got a
dang it. I just put up the poll question off
the first seed stroud thing of Rogers versus Manning. So
go ahead and vote up there at Swollen Dome at
how about a fresco at Fox Sports Radio. As for
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this one, I mean, Stafford was always the guy that
Aaron Rodgers would prop up as the guy he wanted
to watch any opponent of Hey, I had to see
what he was doing on the field time and time again.
So and I've been one of Stafford's biggest defenders to
that point as well, is give me a team. And
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he had some stars, right, don't don't get me wrong,
Like he played with some heavy weights along the way,
but there was no stability there. The one thing we
can always say about Green Bay, other than fighting with
their quarterbacks over retirement whatever did you get me enough
first round pick receivers? Was they they had organizational stability.
They're one of the few franchises that you just say, Okay,
(13:51):
it may get a little wonky at times, but overall
they're still moving in a direction as opposed to looking
at each other in these proverbial Spider Man meme going
all right, who's actually making the call on this one?
And have we cycled out another coach? So the the
Aaron Rodgers loving Matthew Stafford in line with how I've
always kind of looked at him, He's like, Wow, it's
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just too bad this that the other. Doesn't mean he's
performed at his best in big moments either. He had
his share of failures where the ball was in his
hands and he didn't deliver for the Lions as well.
But yeah, three four is absurd. Now that's a lot.
But you know that's the if I really want to
bludge at Aaron Rodgers, this is how I do it. Wait,
he's at least getting one more. No, screw that three
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or four. If Zach Wilson had the guys around him
that Aaron Rodgers and he'd have three super Bowls by
now three years, three super Bowls. Jets sho exit out
about a Fresca exit swallendum. You can tell C. J.
Stroud just does not like Aaron Rodgers. Oh, by the way,
Halloween Texans at Jets. You know Rodgers filed this away.
He'll be ready for that'll be on the bench. Coming
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get to as well as if you like that quarterback debate, boyd,
we got a great running back one coming your way
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my favorite Sabbath song is off this album. It's Wicked World.
Don't you got Jim Wicked World is? I just listened
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of that's that is a good song. There's no music
that day. It's a day of rest. Uh. We broke
down c J. Stroud and is obviously out and out
hatred of Aaron Rodgers a few minutes ago. But there's
another big NFL story today. We will watched Christian McCaffrey
get paid best running back in the NFL sets the
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market gets a two year, thirty eight million dollar extension
with the forty nine ers. You do quick math, that
is nineteen million dollars a year. Fom first, I will
say this not that this is official collusion, but I
don't think it's a coincidence that the people who are
viewed as largely as the two best players at their
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position skill positions set the market one day apart from
each other yesterday. Justin Jefferson gets the money that now
sets the wide receiver market. Because he's the best, people
are gonna get more than him. And now Christian McCaffrey,
best running back in the NFL, he sets the running
back market. People aren't gonna get more than him. Not
official to the sense of I think everybody got together,
(17:51):
but I think this was one of those Hey, just
so you know, we're all gonna wait until you sign
these guys and then we're gonna move forward. There so pragmatism.
No nobody got paid until now these guys get paid.
Now you'll see the other The Bengals certainly weren't going
to jump in, and Jerry Jones is operating on a
number of levels, right, and he had no money. I
(18:11):
have no cash. Well, but he had to look at
what everybody was doing in the Dallas market in terms
of their playoff success, and then he's got to do
the flip a coin between Cede Lamb and Dak Prescott.
The coin land in the middle, so it's easy to
just land it straight on its edge, right in the middle,
so it was easy for him to sit and wait.
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The forty nine ers have their decisions to make, and
there's still a lot of rumblings that eventually Ayuk or
Deebo finds himself in a steeler's uniform. That still keeps
circulating and everybody going down steal is gonna get somebody
at the exact I'm great, just keep lining it up
all the way through that it makes sense like we're
just gonna wait until you jump first. But the other
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part of it is this now to say, okay, here's
Christian McCaffrey, who was at the running back market nineteen
million a year. If you said to me, okay, who's next,
I would tell you there's only a couple of guys.
Let's say fifteen million dollars a year is the next benchmark.
There's only a couple of guys that I would give
fifteen million dollars a year two right now, and there's
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a couple of guys after that that if they do
it again this year, I'd be okay with it. There's
four running backs, and this is regardless of where they
are with their rookie contract. This is about who's talented enough,
who's good enough to be worth fifteen million dollars a
year because right now there's two guys that are gonna
make an average salary. McCaffrey at is nineteen and then
Kamara is sitting at fifteen. Yeah, and that's that contract
(19:42):
is boys, He's lucky he signed it. It ends next year.
The two guys, I would definitely give fifteen million a year.
Two Breese Hall and Jamier Gibbs. Breese Hall comes back
from the torn ACL a year ago. He has a
great year. This year's second most all purpose yards in
the game. And look, now, you can't just be running
back that puts up numbers running the football. You have
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to catch the ball out of the backfield. That's what
he does. I know there was the injury thing early on,
but he comes back, has a big, healthy year. He's
probably the second best running back in the NFL. And
Jamiir Gibbs shows that talent level that he had through
no fault of his own. The Lions still wanted to
give the ball to David Montgomery. Okay, that's fine. But
this is a guy who can flesh running the ball,
catching the ball, average five yards of carry. I love
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Jamiir gibbs Is. This is the guy easily. He's like
the next Alvin Kamara. He's the guy I would give
fifteen million a year. Two. So the guys that definitively
do it, Brice Hall and Jamier Gibbs. Let's see ankle
injuries for Gibbs, Hall a year removed from the ACL.
I don't have to pay him for a while. I
ain't paying him for a while. No, you don't have
to pay button. But who who's worth fifteen million? Who
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are the best running potentially? I give fifteen million potentially
you can get the fifteen right when we're talking about
salary cap coming up, because that's the other part and
right it all. It doesn't work in a vacuum, all right,
it's not just here's the running back position. Because McCaffrey
far and away as a dual threat, he's got to
like show hey, o Todi. All right, I'm paying what
I'm paying ten million for him as a running back
(21:09):
and nine million for him as a receiver, Show hey
as pitcher and hit her respectively. Of course, But yeah,
you knew what you meant that they knew, well, I
hope they knew. Never know, Yeah they knew. I think
they knew you might have a percentage that they said
was confused by the analogous claims. But yeah, with all
running backs, I'm a wait and see guy, And even McCaffrey,
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you go into your fantasy and think and you're like,
all right, do I double down? He was number one
last year? Do I double down?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Right now you have to, but you're still sitting on
But yeah, for who are your other two guys? The
other two guys that if they one guy if he
does it again, and one guy if he builds on
last year. These are the guys after this year, I
would give fifteen million a year. Two if James Cook
does it again with the bills, I would give him
fifteen million dollars a year. And he's gonna be a
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bigger part of all offense this year as well. Know
Stefan Da he's gonna be him and Dalton Kincaid are
gonna be the two biggest weapons on that offense. Cook
could catch a hundred balls offense sets up and the
other guy who for some reason just didn't get the
ball as much as he should have. Probably why yeah,
which is probably why their head coach got fired. Is
b Jon Robinson. If he if they give him the bike,
(22:21):
I know he's going to produce if he goes on
an upward curve from last year. He's the other guy
that's worth fifteen him in the box. The question is
does he get enough workload in with you know Captain
Kirk running the show? Oh yeah, we look, there was
there was enough for Dalvin Cook to put up big
numbers when when Kirk Cousins was there. Now it should work.
We'll see as it flows. But again, you know a
(22:43):
guy that I got to see do it first. That's
the beauty of it. Yeah, it's year no, But if
they do it this year, those two guys I'd put
in the fifteen million dollars start feeling better about it.
But until I have to pay him, I hold up.
But that's I mean, this is regardless, this is a
salary where they are. This is who are the guys
that are worth fifteen million dollars? A few years ago
(23:04):
Derrick Henry was worth that, but not anymore because he's
thirty years he was Josh Jacobs after his big year.
You look at guys laying him into a wall, ra
Shad White or Travis Et and these guys arent even
average four yards accounts. Most of these guys are now.
I mean, we're looking at war Clodes splits for reasons.
And that's one of the concerns of Gibbs of whether
how much of that was all right. We already had
(23:25):
sunken cost in Montgomery before we realized how good Gibbs was.
He missed some time due to injury, but also the
fact that, all right, we don't think he's a guy
that can touch the ball twenty times a game that
remains to be seen. Last year, Dan, they did the
right thing. And this is why Dan Campbell's a great
head coach outside of the biffing of the NFC title game,
is that he brought him along slow. Everybody wanted him
(23:47):
to have the football early on. And what happened because
he brought him along slow, Jamier Gibbs was playing at
an extremely high level when they needed him at the
end of the season. There was no rookie wall, there
was no here's all these carries the first five weeks
and boy, you're great and suddenly we eleven. It's this
guy's done. We have to wait for next year from
his body to get used to the pounding to the NFL.
So he did the right thing. Could you give give
(24:08):
the gives the ball five to seven more times a game. Yeah,
I'm not saying suddenly, it's got to be he's got
to have twenty some odd run, but instead of David
Montgomery out carrying him by ten, it should be more
of an even more even. The other thing both the
Lions and the Falcons have that should allow these guys
to excel on a whole other level is they're two
(24:31):
of the best offensive lines in the game. Right, Detroit
standing among the absolute best. I think Atlanta ranked fifth
to seventh or something like that. And that's even without
Robinson having a monster year. Right, we'd seen all year
in company have a big success in twenty twenty two,
(24:51):
and now you would expect in twenty twenty four with
a more diverse, diversified offensive approach, I e. You could
complete a downfield path that it should open up some
running lanes and opportunities. So yeah, get that wallet open,
let's go. There's your list. Angel Reese gets thrown out
of the Skies lost to the Liberty tonight. I thought
(25:11):
it was about us resetting the market. We're resetting the
sports radio market. She gets thrown out of a game
in which the Liberty takeover in the fourth quarter. Was
a close game, and she gets very frustrated with a
foul call off a loose ball, and she gets teed
up because she says something to the to the official
and then kind of gives a hand wave dismass. What
(25:34):
the hell. Yeah, that was the thing we my dad
used to do when he was mad at us. And
there's and there's your second tea, and she gets a
jet very quick. We would play the play by play
for you, but they bought you the play by play.
People didn't even know what was going on. They were
trying to call it on. One of the Liberties might know.
Laney Hamilton, who's part of the play. You got three
(25:55):
members of the Sky and then Laney Hamilton in there,
who's just standing there. Got a what am I watching?
They biffed the call, But that's okay. We saw Angel
Reese go to the locker room and already Lonzo Ball
is saying, oh, I'll pay her fine. Ye. Did she
get thrown out for just saying that call was bs.
There's two takeaways for this, and the first one is that, look,
(26:19):
we don't know and I don't know what was said.
Maybe she was chirping the whole game. Maybe the official
was a little bit overboard. We're throwing around, but I
guarantee you this is what's behind it. You can't tell
me there wasn't some kind of meeting conversation between the
league and the officials after what happened this weekend and
the official not calling a flagrant, not taking care of
(26:42):
the Kennedy Carter foul on Caitlin Clark, which was a
dirty play. Initially it was dirty play and it's right
in front of the referee and they let it go.
And you saw how embarrassing that was for the WNBA.
We talked about it last night. They show they can't
handle success. And I guarantee you that there is a
meeting where it was you guys see it, you guys
(27:03):
call it. We're not gonna have stuff get out of
control like we're not gonna have it other three days
like we had here where all of a sudden people
think that it's a racial situation and everybody hates our
star player and average fans are going, why are they
worrying about who gets credit for success on things? We're
not gonna be a clown show. You call it, you
see it, call it? How do you not call that
(27:23):
a flagrant? How do you not take care of that?
So something like that that happens right here, I can
see where the officials got a quick whistle and two
te's and you're gone, because now they have to take
care of this. Because if Caitlyn Clark and other stars
are going to be played rough and physical, well the
game has to be refereed the right way. You can't
just say, well, I'm gonna let no no, no, I
(27:44):
it's if it's a bad foul and it's over the line,
you have because that's what's gonna be the checks and balances.
Teams can be physical towards these players, right Angel Rees
got thrown down. There was a big deal. You know,
Kaitlyn Clark gets thrown down. Okay, that's fine, that's part
of the game. This part of the initiation other players
go through. But if you're the official, you have to
make sure that, Okay, I'm gonna make the proper call
because it's not just going to be open season on
(28:07):
these players, because after I saw that Saturday, I was like, yeah,
that's open season on Caitlin Clark. You know, you commit
that play, it's just a foul. You stay in the
game and everything else goes on. Yeah, it's open season.
So so I can see I can guarantee you without knowing,
like Bill Maher, I don't know this for a fact.
I just know it's true that there was some kind
of conversation, Hey, call these games better because we're not
(28:28):
having a replay last week.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, and in this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Particular case, it's not a physicality thing, right, it's reach
and fill. It's getting on a short fuse. Well, that's
the question of how how many times had she been
playing like Sabrina and asked you said, wait, she got
two technicals for saying that. That was bs like and
she's hurt on a hot mic, right, It's like, really
that's it. But you get the dismissive wave, et cetera.
(28:52):
You know that's thing skin like, that's that's a quick hook.
But to your point, yeah, I gotta imagine as much
as you know the old oh publicity is bad publicity
kind of thing. There's you hit a point you had
a saturation point where it was questioning the integrity of
the league and a lot of the players and everything else,
(29:13):
versus celebrating ratings being up, celebrating attendance, celebrating sales, celebrating that.
It's part of the conversation as a whole across sports
talk radio and television. Not that anybody needs to jump
to the forefront to take credit for being there first
and planting their plag just the idea that the conversation
(29:36):
wasn't about the play overall, but that singular play. Yeah,
I gotta imagine the league they had some.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Guy I had no idea. Angel Hernandez was the head
of officiating for the WNB.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's a new job now. He's quick. He's
just well, no, he would have know. The thing is,
if he really was running it, he would have missed
that call.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You go, Tom, indeed, how did you get that job
so quick?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It's but it's Jason. You go back to the play
with like even watch it because wow, that was a
big hit, right, the one that Clark took on Saturday.
But it was still just the moment of all right,
she flies a little bit, right, she flops a little
bit and then you go to review it and then
you just you dismiss it. There, it's one thing on
the court to just go all right, did she kind
(30:19):
of jump away from it whatever?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
But then you go to.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Review and you're like, no, that's enough of a body
and it's still a dead ball situation, et cetera. Likewise,
you know the Angel Reese thing. Sorry, that wasn't adjudicated
better because Thomas body slammer her basically clotheslined her. That
was not a play on the ball. But you get
into the physicality of the game, and that's the one
thing I think really everybody comes away with. Wherever you're
on on the fence, girls get after it. The women
(30:44):
are fighting for rebounds, loose balls, etc. Well look, and
I'll say this really quick, because I gave you the
Bowl prediction. I said, look, Caitlin Clark's coming into the league.
She's got Steph Curry skills, and Angel Reese is coming
into the league and she's gonna be Draymond Green without
the ejections. That was my tweet three months ago, and
I was like, maybe now it's with the ejections because
her career is very similar. Right, She's not a great
(31:06):
offensive player, but she'll score point. She's a great rebounder,
she's a great defender. She's a leader, she's an energy person.
She's famous, she's a big star. She likes she likes
having a big profile. Same thing with Draymond Green. And
if this is the rivalry that carries the WNBA for
the next ten years, and it's it's and it's Steph
and Draymond, and it's Caitlin and it's it's Angel Rees. Hey,
(31:27):
that's great stuff on the WNBA telling you now she's
Draymond with the ejections. Look at that kind of dig
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The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon
Live from the tirag dot com studios. And uh, look,
we're probably not going to get this official until after
the NBA Finals because he's working the finals for ESPN,
but we've heard a lot of reports today that the
Lakers are this close, and I feel like doing a Tomliney.
I'm holding my fingers very close together. It's waffer thin
(32:14):
that JJ Reddick to the Lakers is going to happen, right,
A lot of sources just not official. It's been a
worst kept secret the past few weeks at JJ Redick
is the front runner. He's this now we're hearing it's
really really close. Oh, we've gotten a public job interview
with the podcast they've been doing. Oh that's true. Yeah,
what do you think Darvin ham should have done here?
(32:36):
How about the play calling by Rick Carlisle in the
final two minutes Lebron's I'm gonna interview you during your podcast, JJ?
What would you do if you were up three in
this situation? JJ? The first thing I love about this
is that when people tweeting about this tonight going man,
Lakers going to really get this guy, and they're all
showing old highlights of JJ Reddick, like hitting threes, Reddick
for three, And I really I just keep thinking about
(32:58):
Major League two, like when Roger dord is retired and
Corvin Burnson's retired, but the team is hitting some you
know they need players, they're hitting rough times, and he goes.
He comes up and he says, as at eight o'clock
this morning, I activated myself and he takes off his
trench coat. He's got his Indians jersey on, Like, I
feel like that's what JJ Reddick's gonna do. Hey, we've
lost five out of seven, but I've activated myself and
(33:20):
I'm coming off the bench. Ton Blincoln wasn't able to
get me the shooter I needed. So guess what the shooter?
I'm the guy. I'm the guy. And he still has
the shirt and tie on up top, but he's got
his his Jim shorts ready to go the best. Look
this is gonna happen. We've not heard anybody else. We
keep hearing JJ Reddick's name. Yeah, Brego as an assistant,
(33:42):
and potentially they like him. They interviewed him a couple
of times. I just don't see how this is gonna
be something that matters. Is it gonna be fun for us? Sure? Yeah?
Is it gonna be fun headlines? Yeah, But you're taking
a guy who's coming out of broadcasting with no coaching experience,
who's been spitting out hot takes. He's been a hot
(34:04):
take broadcaster and now again, I like the story just
means some point I can manage the Mets. But you're
not just giving him any NBA jump. You're saying, go
coach the Lakers and a team that what has been
the biggest thing in the last four years, They've been
impossible to coach. JJ Reddick has the answer. Look Lebron
and JJ Redick A dudes like you think Lebron is
gonna listen to JJ Redick and Reddick's gonna come in
(34:24):
and be able to set the culture. No, Lebron and
AD are gonna do whatever they want to, which is
what they've done the past couple of years, and it's
gonna be easier because they're not gonna fight with Darvin Ham.
JJ Redder's gonna be okay, Hey, JJ, this is what
we do. I can't see him coming in and building
a culture. It's too hard. You have the players that
aren't gonna listen to him if he comes in and
is a hard ass, because you're hearing that's kind of
(34:46):
the coach the JJ re I'm gonna come in and
be this guy because those players aren't gonna listen. Look,
Lebron and A d aren't gonna listen to him. But
if he comes in saying, hey, let's all work together,
he's not gonna get the other guys. It's an impossible
situation for him to come in to say, okay, right
here now, I'm gonna be a big culture builder and
a difference maker. He's good, But when it comes down
to it, the Lakers are gonna be the same, and
(35:07):
they're gonna struggle. They're gonna show they have some brilliance,
but then they're gonna struggle again. Then they'll show some
more brilliance and they'll enter the playoffs as a team
that maybe can do something. Now, hopefully they can make
a deal at some point. Now we're hearing the Bulls
want to give Zach Lavine away and maybe that will help.
But coaching wise, it's gonna be the same. It's the
same as it was with Vogel, same as it was
(35:27):
with Darvin Ham, same is gonna be with JJ Reddick.
I just can't see him making a difference again. Fun
for us, But is he really gonna come in and
Lebron and ad are gonna say we're doing everything you say?
I don't see it. But even if they did, how
much of you jumping in the Western Conference? Are they
gonna be able to play seventy games each? You had
that this year and look what hell? But that's what
(35:47):
I mean. You're looking at a Western Conference that's loaded.
And that's with Memphis getting jaw back, Houston getting a
year older. They're pretty solid, right. They put a scare
in some teams down the stretch, like, all right, they're
growing and just keep going on down the line. There's
nobody that's just an absolute doormat. So what are you
(36:07):
fighting to get back into the play here once again?
And that's if everything goes right, and how do you
round out the rest of the roster, you know, and
make make moves to That's why you joke about Reddick
being a shooter. For him, I activated myself. So all right,
JJ off the bench, so he'll actually have a play
drawing up in the huddle, so we won't have the
(36:30):
empty clipboard and stick figures or whatever the hell Ham
was doing at that one point. You guys, that wasn't docing. Man.
You're not getting Doc Rivers could take the w take
the win on this one. You're not getting get in
the next pot Riley. You're not getting you'd be lucky
if you're getting Lincoln Riley. I don't think you want him.
(36:51):
Tay g Abraham Lincoln. Four score and seven years ago,
I invented the game of bett. No, he would have
been dominating in the low post. He would have been,
but they wouldn't have allowed him to wear that hat
that gave him a lot of height. Like he's like,
you know, fletch, but yeah, hat six nine six five
without hat. He's the wemby of president too, he is.
I like that. I like that, the wemby of presidents.
(37:13):
I like that's pretty good. I'm big in that. But yeah,
I can't now. I'm just thinking Abraham Lincoln in the
Laker jersey and he tips his hat to a guy
that comes and he blocks a shot. But it's gonna
be great because we're in Los Angeles. Blocks a shot
with the hat. I held the hat off the top
of my head and I blocked. The city starts having
debates in the low post exit out about of Fresco
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