June 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Jason and Mike are joined Dan Woike from the LA Times to discuss Dan Hurley’s decision to return to UCONN and where the Lakers franchise goes from here.
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the most embarrassing day the Lakers have had in quite
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some time. And that's saying so this really was. I'm
really it was amazing. But we'll more of the Lakers
in a second, but let's continue on this. Caitlyn Clark
conversation we're having from a few minutes ago. Not a
great night for Clark tonight, ten points. Look, the fever
aren't any good ton when Paige Beckers gets there next year.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But foul trouble limited minutes. Coach calling out defensive effort,
talking about how how horrible it is, and you're never
gonna win in this league if you have to coach
effort was the quote Teacho.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Clearly Christie taking sides against her team after the effort
tonight after adj like Joni Mitchell, she's looked at defeat
from both sides now dj after.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
She also broke code over the weekend when Clark was
left off the Olympic team by you know, quoting her
from a text.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
She got, yeah, at least the monster.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, And all she did was set her up for
a bad night tonight. Oh, they've awakened a monster. She
told me, they've awakened a monster. Why not picking her
for the Olympic team?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And then that airball is now tied.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
To the quote, I mean, what do you do it?
What do you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Lisa Blue toa right now is come on phone, ring, ring,
I'm not I'm not coaching, Come on phone ring ring
ring ring. But look, this whole this whole story about
Caitlyn Clark and not making the Olympic team, is that.
Look here, here's here's a yes and no of it.
Could they have taken her, absolutely right, They could have
taken her on the twelfth spot on the team. Player
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picked twelve is not gonna play a lot, doesn't matter.
Caitlyn Clark is there, people are gonna watch the games.
You're growing women's basketball. You could have done that. It
would it have been the most difficult thing in the
world to just say, hey, we have twelve players that
we could take me like better. No, it would have
been so she could have made the team. She could
have not made the team. But when you hear some
of the reports, like Christine Brennan saying, hey, there was
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some concern about what it would be like if she's
not playing enough. First of all, no one's gonna care.
We're gonna beating the crap out of every you know,
she's gonna get in the game and play a bunch
of minutes because we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Be killing teams. But legitimately, oh man, you know what.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I immediately went to the old George Carlin that is
the think of the children. Save the children? What about
the children? Blank the children.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's exactly my.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
First thought when it was the I don't know her
fans are going to be mad if she's not playing
a lot of minutes. Really that's the concern.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Get the hell out of here with that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean, just think, just think, because obviously, you know,
they talk to the players about taking care of some
of the big leaders who are gonna be there, about
taking Caitlyn Clark, and obviously they didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Wind up taking her.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
This is this is my.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Issue with with the Olympics and Caitlyn Clark, because what
they did was they looked for a way to say, no,
how do we not take her? Which, like, wow, normally
when you're talking about players, you want to look for
a way to say, yes, hey, how can we take
so and so to the Olympics. The decisions easy. We're
taking her like we're taking Sabrina I Andescu. Where we're
taking whoever you want to you know, whoever you want
(03:58):
to say, we're taking Kelson or to But I felt
like this whole thing was That's why I'm not surprised she.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Didn't get selected because I felt.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Like the whole time and seeing these reports and seeing
how people reacting to it, they were looking for a
way to say, no, how do we not take her
because it's gonna upset people, right like, there's no other
reason to not to not to not take her, right Like,
I mean, we talked about is she really not on
the team, and maybe there's a there's a.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Whole thing going on that we didn't take you now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But you can be an injury replacement and that gets
people used to the idea of you being on the team,
and it gives you a chance to turn up your
play and be more consistent in the next month. Because
there is an injurie injured player Chelsea Gray who probably
isn't gonna play, they're gonna have to replace her and
you could be it. But this whole time I felt
like going it was like, let's find a way to
not take her because she doesn't have the support that
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she does around the league.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right now. You talked about earlier in the show that
eventually people are gonna come around to it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I think they will at some point they have no
choice to. But right now you can tell there's there's
an anti Caitlin Clark movement, and it really doesn't make
a lot of sense because it's if this was a
case of, Hey, she hasn't done anything and she's playing
terribly and she's really having a tough time adjusting. Yeah,
(05:11):
I get it, I get it. But she's had thirty
point games. She had twenty five point games. She had
ten point games, but she had twenty five and thirty
point games. But just that you know that out there,
there's no reason to not consider her unless there's still
some kind of anti Caitlin Clark from the players whatever,
whoever it's gonna be, say if we take her, they're
gonna have problems, which is stupid because, like, you know what,
(05:33):
it shouldn't be your probably it shouldn't you should have
to worry about them. I'm sorry you're worried about the
most talented player to come out of college basketball in years,
someone who has decided who is We've told you was
gonna be like Magic and Larry coming into the WNBA
to the NBA. Congratulations to Magic Johnson and everybody else
who wanted to pick up.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
On that thought that we told you about two months ago.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But you know what, information is free, So when you
hear the Magic and Larry conversation. Understand we had it
first because that's what happens to our show. But like,
like it doesn't make sense to sit back and say, okay,
how do we you know, how do we not take her?
Like look for ways to take her, Look for ways
to say, hey, this is where you're coming. You're gonna
be at the bottom. Hey when when when the coach,
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when the players would say, hey, kate Lin, we'll see
some minutes, she'll play a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
There's ways to tamp it down.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I feel like the anti Caitlin Clark contingent is
being kowtowed to. Now, hey, we got a lot of
people who are upset, which is ridiculous because the people
that are upset should have no reason to be upset
because she's not done anything to them. And she's a
great player who's come into the league and shown I
belong right away. That is helping get you things like oh,
chartered flights just because there was video of her in
the in the in the airplane in the wing where
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she was going out flying commercial. A week later, everybody
had commercial flights. Everybody had had had charter flights. So
I think people are forgetting that a little bit that
that's what she got for everyone. But there's such an
anti Caitlin Clark contingent that I feel like, now, okay,
now it's being kowtowed too, because now not taking her
for the Olympics, I mean really, I mean the argument
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to not take her is more ridiculous than the one
to two taker. Right, you don't have to play her
because obviously she gonna play over some of these guards
that have done no one hundred percent, no right, as
good a player as she is, whatever minute she gets,
that's the thing. Right, when Christian Laytner got taken by
the Dream Team because he was trending all over the
place this weekend. Oh but the Dream Team took Christian Layner. Yeah,
they had to take a college player. It wasn't like
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there was their choice. They had to take a college player,
and Laytner saw a little bit of minutes and it
was okay. Now, I'm also talking about a different impact
that Caitlyn Clark has on the WNBA than Christian Laytner
had on the NBA. But there's an easy way to
take her. They could have easily taken her. But I'm
sure they were afraid of the blowback of what's it
gonna sound like now that Hey, after all this anti
(07:45):
Caitlin Clark is out there from players from the media,
Now we're taking her for the Olympics, and that's just
gonna make people more upset. All we don't want those
people to be more upset, So we're not gonna take
her now. I mean, I feel like that was the
reason behind why they didn't take her. They'd looked for
reason to say no, to make a group of people
happy so we could have, you know, a bunch of
days without a Katelee Clark conversation, not realizing hey, this
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is just going to fuel that fire even more.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, I'll let everybody you know in the that wants
to run the numbers and everything on WNBA and the
effectiveness and win shares and all of that stuff, when
it comes to Caitlyn Clark the player, right, she's not
going to be that far off of that number twelve
slot based on what she's done thus far. I don't
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believe if you were to go through the math and
anybody that's actually watched a bunch of these games, because
I hear a lot of chuckling about how many turnovers.
Go actually watch the damn games. See how many fall
off the fingertips of players who can't handle a pass
or fumble fumble things as she dishes. It doesn't excuse
it all the way, but you can explain several turnovers
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a game just based on her teammates inability to corral
the basketball. That being said, you know, you're also looking
at the other numbers that come in into it, right,
look with magic and bird or you get off tape
delay and all of that for the finals, and now
the NBA getting some juice and some of it, you know,
the racial back and forth Boston and Michigan and everything else.
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You know, the building off of their their collegiate battle
there again in the WNBA. Now when we go into
the Olympics, you know, I get it. It's the it's
not the WNBA. It's still women's basketball, still putting a focus.
And this goes back to just the marketing and sales
and recognition, and this goes for the people that build
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the team and are on the team. Eventually, the rights
deal is gonna come up and you're not gonna have
to go to ninety seven different places to find WNBA games.
Guess what everybody's gonna suddenly see how much money they're
making because of this, and it's gonna be like, oh yeah,
all right, I'm on board.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And maybe so it's just not reflected yet in the paychecks. So,
because you got a bunch of folks who've gotten shoe
deals announced, some of which were already in the works, right,
famously the Asia Wilson ones, where I was like, why
did she have a shoot? It's like, well, because it
hadn't done the marketing campaign yet. The fact that the
Clark deal with the number got out, you know, wasn't
(10:14):
wasn't their fault. They were trying to do a proper
release heading into the season. Life goes on. But WNBA
viewership is tripled this season at one point three million
per game, watching on average four sixty two. They say,
from a season ago, that's the case. Again, it's just
math and math, math, And where the women's team would
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get a boost from the profile, right, you'd get more cutouts,
and look, you're going up against swimming and gymnastics, which
rumbally dominate coverage, right, and usually you get the violins
playing behind somebody's story.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Or whatever else.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And this year obviously, Simone Biles is the big story
in her return to things. Well, you get to put up,
get put up on that metal stand in terms of coverage,
and guess what, everybody on the roster, you're gonna win
because you're suddenly but wait, she's got three gold medals, Hey,
Madison Avenue, what what what have we not been doing?
Why haven't we been looking at her? Everybody's gonna get fed.
(11:14):
Uh if you give her a seat and make sure
she's at the table, and you know, when we talk
about merit and earning it whatever, I just I just chuckle. Right,
look at the men's side this time. There's a lot
of guys that have merit to be on that team,
but for whatever reason, aren't go back to your Latner Shack. Well,
(11:34):
I guess some of the veterans didn't want Shack around
wondering what was gonna go on there? Right, So, I
mean it's it's the tale of his oldest time. I
don't even need to do the thirty minute of sad
Isaiah Thomas. I mean we already know that story.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Look, but here's the point to it is that nothing
exists in a vacuum, right, right, If This was the men,
and it was here's a young star coming up, and
we don't know if we're gonna take. Well, obviously you're
not gonna take because one, it is about winning, but two,
you have a lot of star power there already. Right,
it's not like, boy, if this guy's not here. But
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when when you're women's basketball, Okay, here's a chance. You
know you're gonna go in and beat everybody. You know
you're gonna win, and you know that the bottom people
on your roster are only gonna get to play if
it's a blowout. Right, you're in a but which means
they're gonna get time. So you could have done that.
You could have served all masters there. You could have said, hey,
you know what, all right, here's the deal. We understand
(12:30):
why she's there, The players understand. You could have had
a tougher conversation said, look, we're taking Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Sorry, she's not gonna play a lot. You guys are
all gonna play.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
The coach is not gonna suddenly say sorry I got
up with Kitlyn in because she's got too many followers
on Twitter. Uh no, we're not gonna do that. But
they could have done but they could have. They could
have just said, Hey, this is how it's gonna work.
We're gonna go. You know who's gonna wind up playing
most of the minutes. Caitlyn's gonna come. You know, she's
good for women's basketball, and that's how it's gonna be there.
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There was no reason to not take her. And that's
what I keep coming back to is there was no
reasons that our player's gonna be jealous. Of course are
they're gonna be jealous about Caitlyn Clark no matter what happens,
because she's got a shoe deal early and she's got
everything else the players have wanted for twenty years, and
she walks into a league with it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
There's gonna be people that you can't satisfy them no
matter what. But for this situation, you could have done it.
You could have said, Okay, we can all go win
a gold medal. We can all go have our best
players play. We can have Caitlyn Clark show up, which
you'll bring more notification to the game. It is a
TV show, after all, Olympics is a television show. We
can bring more notification. More people might watch the WNBA
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coming off of us winning the gold medal. Play see
Kitlyn Clark play we come back. It's gonna just help us.
We could have done all of these things. And that's
the real sad part of this is that it would.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Have been so easy. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's cause it's not like saying, hey, Caitlyn's on the
team and she's gonna start.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
No, no, no, She's gonna be on the.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Team and she's gonna play when it's merited, and no
one's gonna be upset about it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
No one's gonna get no, one's.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Gonna say, we gotta have Kaylyn Clark out there. Hey,
we're beating Angola by fifty, Kaitlyn Clark will get out
and play. We're beating Spain by twenty five. Kaitlyn Clark
will get out there and play. I mean, I think
they were looking for a cond Like I said, they
were looking for a reason to say no, and they
were trying to manufacture a controversy that would say, oh, hey,
if this comes up, yeah, this might not go well,
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so we're not gonna take her.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean the other thing all of it, Jason, is
to you know, everybody in the room is an adult,
so let's treat it like and like it and every
adult has to hear this. You should hear it as
a kid. But let me be the first. If you haven't,
life ain't fair.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Exit? How about a Fresca exit?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
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Speaker 3 (16:27):
Danny Hurley is a new Lakers head.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Go oh wait, no, sorry he isn't Danny Hurley deciding
I don't want your seventy million dollars. I'm gonna stay
at Yukon and chase my third national championship. A guy
the Lakers went all in on has decided to stay
in stores Connecticut. So what happens now?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
How bad a failure was this for the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Joining us now on the hotline, longtime Lakers insider with
the La Times, friend of the show, and a guy
who actually had control of Buster Only's Twitter account earlier today, what's.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Happening, bud guys to the moon? We're taking bumpster coin
to the moon. Look well, well, dude, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I look at today and I don't know that there's
been a day where you can see the Laker brand
is at a lower level because not only did they
not get the guy they went all in after he
basically played them for more money, he's going to get
at Yukon and I this is just this is just
a disaster that I saw for that that that happened
today for the Lakers, and I don't know where they
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go from here.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I think I agree with a lot of that. I mean,
I think it's not that hard to close your eyes
and remember a very similar situation that happened in a
not too distant Laker path twenty years ago. Actually, when
this team went all in to hire Mike Schefsky and
failed and I believe ended up with three times Janovich
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and failed and yeah, didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Didn't coach k get paid like five hundred k in
this search or.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Something like you know, so, I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, this is the risk Lakers are not, Like,
this is the risk that you run when you swim
in these college coaching waters. Because you can offer more
money the Lakers did. You know, you can offer a
(18:23):
better off season esque lifestyle, which the Lakers can, right,
But here's what you can't offer. You can't offer the
type of autonomy that you get in college. You can't
offer the type of control and you know, the type
of dopamine hit from winning and weirdly enough from losing
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that you get in college, which is something that I
really talked about, right, Like you gave an interview to
sixty minutes I think earlier year where you've said something
about how you know one of his favorite feelings is
the feeling after a loss where it just feels like
it's like death locker room, and it's just like everybody
is just like, you lose this game, and you feel
like if you have three of those in the NBA season,
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like you're cooked. The season is too long. It's like
to get that emotionally high, to get that emotionally low,
you know, and the Lakers couldn't offer that, and I
think whether it was a bad fit, whatever it was,
you know, he chose the happiness that he knows and
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not the uncertainty that was ahead of him. And let's
be really fair, this is a lot of uncertainty, and
you know, the Lakers kind of look like they've been
taking for a ride for four or five days in
a really really strange coaching search. That says a lot
because somewhere hidden within the Laker logo is the words
(19:50):
it's been a really strange coaching just sort of what
they do. And this has been a this has been
an exceptionally weird one.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well that's I guess to go back to it. Right
when this first hit the radar in the middle of
last week. Had it been circulating it all behind the scenes,
you heard this. I mean we joked about after he
won the title, and it was obvious that Ham was
going to get fired, but it was kind of a
all right, throw throw stuff up against a wall. So
all of a sudden, this report comes out from friend
(20:20):
of his family, Dan and here we are.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, I mean that part of it is strange. I mean,
like I can't like totally like clean exactly what all
of that means. But it was a surprise, you know,
and I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it. I've
been talking to probably a circle of twenty or so
people and then around the organization and coaching circles, people
(20:46):
who were early round candidates for this job and I
never won. Sort of Anybody say like I'm nervous about
Dan Hurley and this mix like it never came up,
which is a weird it just and look, if you're
Rob Plinka, like you have reasons to keep this secret, right,
Like one like you don't want Medeshpia finding out right,
(21:07):
Like that's one thing you don't want kind of Dan
Hurley's sort of like flirtation with the NBA. You don't
want competition for that two for Dan Hurley, you don't
want it out because you're trying to recruit and you're
trying to keep guys out of the portal and different
things like that. You want Alex Caravan to come back
to school, you know, just in case this doesn't work out.
(21:29):
So you know, you you the Lakers moved in a
real sort of ConA silence on this, you know, And
my immediate reporting was after you know, this got announced.
I mean, there are people when this isn't like interns
within the Lakers, but people high up in the organization
who had no idea that this was going to happen.
(21:49):
No cup right, this is very much a rock like
a Genie bus thing. And now that it's fallen apart,
it is you know, the pressure I think is doubled.
I mean, look the pressure on these people to get
this decision right. It was always really important. This only
makes it harder because now it sort of throws the
(22:10):
entire process into what's sort of like for like you're
like examination, right, like you want to look at it
and say, like, well, you know, did they talk themselves
into Dan Hurley, did they talk themselves out of JJ Reddick,
did they talk themselves out of James virego, where do
they stand? I mean, like they you know, like you said,
they pushed all in on this hand. You know, they
(22:31):
might not have any chips, but they still need a coach,
so you know, and if you can't get it right, like,
how does this ripple to your roster? I mean, you know, look,
I think at the end of the day, I still
have not been presented with a compelling alternate destination for
Lebron James other than the Lakers that can combine money, competitiveness,
(22:52):
and happiness. But like you know this knowing Lebron like
he doesn't want the last two years of his career
if that's how ever long he's gonna play, like to
be like a total disaster, Like that's not the hope,
you know what I mean? And I think I think
you wonder like if this this, how does this sit
(23:13):
with him? You know? I mean he's out there tweeting
today about you know, responding to people about people who
think he's not about winning. Like that's not an accident,
I don't think today I think that is a well
timed response to a tweet.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So so what does happen from here? I mean, is
is JJ Redick Lebron's guy? As he's secretly happy that
that Dan Hurley didn't say yes. I mean, I don't
know where that's the thing is, Dan, I don't know
where the Lakers go from here, Like what's what's the
next thing? If they were all in on Dan Hurley?
And you know you told us last week that hey,
all the JJ Reddick talks seem to come from outside
(23:47):
the circles that we're making decisions with the Lakers, Like
like what is it now? Like, like how do you
go and say, oh, this is our guy?
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yeah, Well that's going to be a hard part, right,
You're gonna have to lie to yourself in a real way,
a real Stanza ask like it's only a lie if
you don't believe it to be true, the type of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, or it takes two to lie, one to line
one to listen. So there's that done.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I think you know the the way that I would
do this, And I have to be like totally clear,
like I don't know the answer to this right now.
It is mind boggling. Like I think the way you
do this, right is if you're the Lakers, you have
not had like the formal JJ Redick interview. Yet that
(24:34):
doesn't mean you haven't spoken to him, and that doesn't
mean you haven't spoken to them extensively because they have,
but like they haven't done like the full on, like
meet everybody in the building, like give JJ Redick a
chance to win this job. Now, what's an interesting factor
in this, and these are the things we don't know,
is like, was there an event that occurred prior that
(24:56):
you know, precipitated the pivot seemingly a pivot to Dan
Early now? Or did the Lakers truly believe that it
was Dan Early from day one? You know, Like that
is a big question mark. No one knows. And if
there was an event that that forced the pivot, you know,
let's say the Lakers decided in the end that they
didn't want to hire somebody who had no coaching experience.
(25:18):
Can they go back on that now? You know? Is
is that a possibility? Do you do? You reset the
process and give some of the other assistants that you
talked to along the way, the Sam Casseels and David Edelmans,
the Mike and Nooris of the world, you know names
by the way that like three weeks ago four weeks
ago seemed really exciting. Now that Denver and Minnesota out
(25:42):
of the playoffs seem a little less exciting. You know,
do you do you do you circle back on those
guys and give them a bigger opportunity, or do you
kind of look at Redick and James Wrego, the two
guys that you would kind of move the furthest with.
And I think Sam dis is on a prep for that,
but but really, do you look at those two guys
(26:03):
and we'll say Sam is a third and say like, okay,
we need to pick one of these guys. And now
at this point, it's like, let's do the least you
do the least amount of harm, right, which is like
the worst possible methods, right Like that, that's not what
you want to say before you hand the keys. I
mean franchised to somebody. And I think that's not to
say that these people aren't capable. I think they are,
(26:26):
but I do think that you know, if you're going
to go it, if you're gonna they clearly thought Curly
was worth the bigger swing, and now that they whift,
you know, it's you know, no one likes to feel
like a second choice and Look. The good news is though,
in the NBA, there are ways around this, right, like
(26:47):
extra year here, that option there, A couple extorts, a god,
I mean, a couple, a couple of million dollars can
can solve some hurt feelings pretty quickly in this league.
And I think that's pro probably how this story ends,
but hasn't ended yet and the draft is in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, good times, Yeah that's about right.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, look, always theme park tickets and then some
gift cards to some bougie restaurants. He's Dan Waki La
Times with us here Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike
Harmon from the Dirac dot Com Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Find Dan always worked the La Times of course, and
at dan Waki Sports. I kind of like the original
thought of all this though, Dan where it was gonna
be JJ Reddick and the All Stars looking over his shoulder,
(27:35):
and then we were wondering when the coup was gonna
gonna fall. I mean, look, as a media person, that's
the key. I don't want to see my my Laker friends,
you know, kind of lose their minds game to game.
But that was the best theater for me.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well, look, I think so you know, I covered JJ
with the Clippers, and I don't pretend to know him
in you know a real sort of like like I wouldn't.
I would be a bad I couldn't testify a well you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Could see how they portrayed him on clip.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
But like I've got to know him. I've got to
know him pretty well through time. And like I will say,
like I do think like one, if he thought he
was in danger of being walked over, he wouldn't dig
the up like like that's like that is not what
he is about. Like he isn't a you know. And
(28:29):
I think like he probably has a little like Dan
Hurley and him in the sense that it's like he
is a very passionate person and he will like clap
back at you if he doesn't like what he sees
and he doesn't like what he hears, right, you know,
it can like go Google with Duke NC State game disrespect,
(28:50):
you know what I mean? Like, and and I think
like there's an element of that, Like so I really
truly believe that given the opportunity in this job, like
I think there's a chance he'd be really good at it.
He's a smart person, he's analytic, but he also obviously
has the experience as a player. He's been away from
the game long enough that he's probably been able to
(29:11):
like kind of like wipe the NBA player crust out
of his eyes and see it a little more or
less blurry and be able to see more than one
side of it. And you know, he's an incredibly hard worker,
Like he's an inpredibly hard look a maniacal like I'd
still like, I mean, that's a that though, you know,
(29:34):
like I mean, what if what if he doesn't like it?
What if you know, he thought it would be one
thing and it's something different? What if? These are all
the real questions that you have to ask about any
anybody does anything for the first time and you think
they're gonna be good at it. And I've said it once,
said a hundred times. This is the weirdness that comes
(29:55):
with Lebron James at this stage of his career, is
that it's like JJ Redick might he a very good
four or five year bet. Dan Hurley might have been
a very good four or five year bet, by the way,
and you're still making five year bets with two really
important years. We'll say at the front of it with
Lebron James, and there's not a lot of time for
(30:20):
learning curves. There's not a lot of time for development.
You know, his patients extends a little bit, but it
only goes so far to get the best version of him.
And it's a hard situation, guys. I will say this
about the Dan Hurley thing really quickly too. And this
I swear I'm not holding lot for anybody on this,
but it is lake of fans got worked up into
(30:40):
a real cusy on this. There is there is almost
no track record of people being good and what Dan
Hurley was about to try to do, I should say, great,
I'm sorry. You know you have Brad Stevens. Sure, I
mean you have Billy Donovan. Like the numbers would tell
you that what Billy of it is accomplished with the
(31:01):
thunder and the bulls. If you get that out of
the college coach that you hire with no NBA experience,
like you have, I mean, like the like the alternative
is John bulin Rick, Thekino John coult part, you know
what I mean. Like there are like there are there's
a mountain of guys who've tried this and stunk in it,
(31:22):
you know, So I'm not saying blessing in disguise. I'm
saying that this job is a really hard job no
matter who takes it, and there there are really healthy
arguments to be made against J. J. Reddick, a lot
of which, by the way, you could also sort of
make against Dan Hurley. It's just, you know, I mean,
the track record of guys who've had no coaching experience
(31:43):
who come from like the booth and something like that
or the front office to coach is also not very good.
It's there's a the this is the this is the
state of the search. It's a lot of projection. And
I think people talk themselves into Dan Hurley because of
the championships and you know, at least there's that and
some big name and it's a swing and it's inspired.
(32:04):
But uh, you know, this doesn't mean the Lakers are
going to come up next time here at the play
here in the coaching search and be able to you know,
a and Andrew Vaughan slap single, like you know, and
Andrew and Andrew being tendee, Uh derive it to the
(32:25):
mid right field. Like, No, they're going to happen. I mean,
they're going to be taking another big swing and there's
no safe option here. I guess James regular is the
safe option. But I guess I mean Cleveland likes him too,
like you know, like you're on the clock and uh so, yeah,
it's it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
He's on Twitter at Dan Wiki Sports that has had
sees how the White Sox lost tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
There is the state of the Lakers right there. From
Lakers into.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Those guys off the West coast. Please ignore the.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Afternoon, appreciate him. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
See you, buddy, There he goes.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Great great stuff from Dan Waki The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. Thanks to Dan Wake
for stopping by for the latest on the Danny Hurley
Lakers story. Straight ahead, we have a great, big hot
take on the biggest story in sports today.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
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Speaker 1 (33:29):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon live from Thetirack dot Com studios. You know, look,
we spent a lot of time I talked about how embarrassing.
This was for the Lakers to be told no by
Danny Hurley. And what makes it even doubly embarrassing is this, Mike,
and I know that I love getting a big hot
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take out there on it because I look at Danny
Hurley after today and say, I don't think he was
ever gonna come to the Lakers. I don't think there
was an offer that he was gonna take that would
make him a Laker. And I don't think it's as
simple as well. He had a fun weekend in LA.
He went to see Billy Joel A. We had some
fun stuff gone.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I mean he went all the way back to the garden.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Man, he came got it. Got what he is like,
I got seven thirty tickets.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I just had a great weekend. Man, We're in LA
in New York. Is that you look at what happened.
Danny Hurley knows the Lakers, he knows the situation. He
knows it's Lebron, it's a d and what goes along
with it. He knows the players that are there and
still I'll go out and interview with them. And he
said everything went well. The Lakers offered him a lot
(34:36):
of money. Nothing changed, Nothing happened except reinforcing why I
would go to the Lakers, and what happens after a
time in which the Lakers reached out. He said, yes,
they spoke. He said things went well. They offered him
a lot of money. Turning down seventy million dollars would
have made him like the third ish highest paid, fourths
(34:57):
highest paid player of kis paid coach in the en
behind all guys who have championships. He says no right
away and goes back to Yukon, and we get the
story today from the governor of Connecticut that yeah, we're
gonna make Daniel Hurly the highest paid coach in all
of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
All he did was use the Lakers as leverage.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Because this happened way too fast, and it happened with
everything going right for him to say yeah, no, don't
want to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh, you're gonna give me more money.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Maybe the highest paid coach in college basketball, like he used.
This is like stuff that was done to the Knicks
ten years ago. Oh I thought the NICKSPT. No, you
just used the Knicks's leverage.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
This is hey, hey, nobody's better than my team.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
This is where the Lakers are man, they got used
by Danny Hurley to get more money to stay at
Yukon because nothing went poorly, nothing went bad.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
They didn't try to Nickel and Diamond on the money. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, you knew what was going coming in. You still
wanted to talk to the Lakers, and you still said
no right away. I mean, that's all it was. He
used the Lakers as leverage, which tells you where the
Lakers franchise is.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
This is not all the Lakers and Lakers they not like, no,
this is the Lakers are just another team right now.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
They are just another team in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
That's the curiosity, right What percentage of his mind wasn't
made up or just decided I want to free trip
to La. I wanted to be whined and dined, remember,
I mean when Lebron and Carmelo and everybody were making
their tours right and at the United Center they had
the photoshop Carmelo in a Bulls uniform and all that stuff.
(36:27):
I mean, sometimes you just want to feel wanted. And
for Danny Hurley, maybe there was some small percentage where
it's like, all right, I at least got to see
this out. And again, you know, as we talked with
Dan Waki. He'd never heard that name come up, that
they were worried about him. So how much of that
was a last minute or one of the greatest stealth
organizational runs ever Balinka and Buss Even though it didn't
(36:49):
come to fruition, they'll be able to walk out and say, hey,
we took the big swing. Y'all wanted leave us.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Alone, go away. But so it's that kind of thing
as you go through.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
He might have had five percent, was still curious of all, right,
what else is there. Let's talk to these people and
really make sure one hundred percent. You know, we just
want to be whined and dined a little, knowing that
Yukon's in our back pocket. Couple of the guys you
know are coming back that weren't in the draft. Yukon
is the big winner though, Right, they don't have to
worry find a new coach in this late hour and
(37:22):
that thirty day window where everybody could leave, uh doesn't
open because Danny Hurley came back. But yeah, if you
truly only got used as leverage and there was never
a serious moment in this, then that's sad. Hopefully they
got some nice parting gifts from the Lakers, and maybe
some great photo ops with Danny Hurley before he left
(37:42):
the building we were closed.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I got with Danny Hurley as they want to go.
He came to the building really prove. We talked to him,
had a long conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
We were this close. That's somebody's shaking my hand.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
I thought this was a contract stealer.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
So embarrassing for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I really there's not been a moment where the Laker
brand has been lower than it is right now.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Exit.
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some time. And that's saying so this really was. I'm
really it was amazing. But we'll more of the Lakers
in a second, but let's continue on this. Caitlyn Clark
conversation we're having from a few minutes ago. Not a
great night for Clark tonight, ten points. Look, the fever
aren't any good ton when Paige Beckers gets there next year.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But foul trouble limited minutes. Coach calling out defensive effort,
talking about how how horrible it is, and you're never
gonna win in this league if you have to coach
effort was the quote Teacho.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Clearly Christie taking sides against her team after the effort
tonight after adj like Joni Mitchell, she's looked at defeat
from both sides now dj after.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
She also broke code over the weekend when Clark was
left off the Olympic team by you know, quoting her
from a text.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
She got, yeah, at least the monster.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, And all she did was set her up for
a bad night tonight. Oh, they've awakened a monster. She
told me, they've awakened a monster. Why not picking her
for the Olympic team?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And then that airball is now tied.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
To the quote, I mean, what do you do it?
What do you do it?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Lisa Blue toa right now is come on phone, ring, ring,
I'm not I'm not coaching, Come on phone ring ring
ring ring. But look, this whole this whole story about
Caitlyn Clark and not making the Olympic team, is that.
Look here, here's here's a yes and no of it.
Could they have taken her, absolutely right, They could have
taken her on the twelfth spot on the team. Player
(02:31):
picked twelve is not gonna play a lot, doesn't matter.
Caitlyn Clark is there, people are gonna watch the games.
You're growing women's basketball. You could have done that. It
would it have been the most difficult thing in the
world to just say, hey, we have twelve players that
we could take me like better. No, it would have
been so she could have made the team. She could
have not made the team. But when you hear some
of the reports, like Christine Brennan saying, hey, there was
(02:53):
some concern about what it would be like if she's
not playing enough. First of all, no one's gonna care.
We're gonna beating the crap out of every you know,
she's gonna get in the game and play a bunch
of minutes because we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Be killing teams. But legitimately, oh man, you know what.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I immediately went to the old George Carlin that is
the think of the children. Save the children? What about
the children? Blank the children.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's exactly my.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
First thought when it was the I don't know her
fans are going to be mad if she's not playing
a lot of minutes. Really that's the concern.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Get the hell out of here with that.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean, just think, just think, because obviously, you know,
they talk to the players about taking care of some
of the big leaders who are gonna be there, about
taking Caitlyn Clark, and obviously they didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Wind up taking her.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
This is this is my.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Issue with with the Olympics and Caitlyn Clark, because what
they did was they looked for a way to say, no,
how do we not take her? Which, like, wow, normally
when you're talking about players, you want to look for
a way to say, yes, hey, how can we take
so and so to the Olympics. The decisions easy. We're
taking her like we're taking Sabrina I Andescu. Where we're
taking whoever you want to you know, whoever you want
(03:58):
to say, we're taking Kelson or to But I felt
like this whole thing was That's why I'm not surprised she.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Didn't get selected because I felt.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Like the whole time and seeing these reports and seeing
how people reacting to it, they were looking for a
way to say, no, how do we not take her
because it's gonna upset people, right like, there's no other
reason to not to not to not take her, right Like,
I mean, we talked about is she really not on
the team, and maybe there's a there's a.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Whole thing going on that we didn't take you now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But you can be an injury replacement and that gets
people used to the idea of you being on the team,
and it gives you a chance to turn up your
play and be more consistent in the next month. Because
there is an injurie injured player Chelsea Gray who probably
isn't gonna play, they're gonna have to replace her and
you could be it. But this whole time I felt
like going it was like, let's find a way to
not take her because she doesn't have the support that
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she does around the league.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right now. You talked about earlier in the show that
eventually people are gonna come around to it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I think they will at some point they have no
choice to. But right now you can tell there's there's
an anti Caitlin Clark movement, and it really doesn't make
a lot of sense because it's if this was a
case of, Hey, she hasn't done anything and she's playing
terribly and she's really having a tough time adjusting. Yeah,
(05:11):
I get it, I get it. But she's had thirty
point games. She had twenty five point games. She had
ten point games, but she had twenty five and thirty
point games. But just that you know that out there,
there's no reason to not consider her unless there's still
some kind of anti Caitlin Clark from the players whatever,
whoever it's gonna be, say if we take her, they're
gonna have problems, which is stupid because, like, you know what,
(05:33):
it shouldn't be your probably it shouldn't you should have
to worry about them. I'm sorry you're worried about the
most talented player to come out of college basketball in years,
someone who has decided who is We've told you was
gonna be like Magic and Larry coming into the WNBA
to the NBA. Congratulations to Magic Johnson and everybody else
who wanted to pick up.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
On that thought that we told you about two months ago.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But you know what, information is free, So when you
hear the Magic and Larry conversation. Understand we had it
first because that's what happens to our show. But like,
like it doesn't make sense to sit back and say, okay,
how do we you know, how do we not take her?
Like look for ways to take her, Look for ways
to say, hey, this is where you're coming. You're gonna
be at the bottom. Hey when when when the coach,
(06:12):
when the players would say, hey, kate Lin, we'll see
some minutes, she'll play a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
There's ways to tamp it down.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I feel like the anti Caitlin Clark contingent is
being kowtowed to. Now, hey, we got a lot of
people who are upset, which is ridiculous because the people
that are upset should have no reason to be upset
because she's not done anything to them. And she's a
great player who's come into the league and shown I
belong right away. That is helping get you things like oh,
chartered flights just because there was video of her in
the in the in the airplane in the wing where
(06:40):
she was going out flying commercial. A week later, everybody
had commercial flights. Everybody had had had charter flights. So
I think people are forgetting that a little bit that
that's what she got for everyone. But there's such an
anti Caitlin Clark contingent that I feel like, now, okay,
now it's being kowtowed too, because now not taking her
for the Olympics, I mean really, I mean the argument
(07:00):
to not take her is more ridiculous than the one
to two taker. Right, you don't have to play her
because obviously she gonna play over some of these guards
that have done no one hundred percent, no right, as
good a player as she is, whatever minute she gets,
that's the thing. Right, when Christian Laytner got taken by
the Dream Team because he was trending all over the
place this weekend. Oh but the Dream Team took Christian Layner. Yeah,
they had to take a college player. It wasn't like
(07:22):
there was their choice. They had to take a college player,
and Laytner saw a little bit of minutes and it
was okay. Now, I'm also talking about a different impact
that Caitlyn Clark has on the WNBA than Christian Laytner
had on the NBA. But there's an easy way to
take her. They could have easily taken her. But I'm
sure they were afraid of the blowback of what's it
gonna sound like now that Hey, after all this anti
(07:45):
Caitlin Clark is out there from players from the media,
Now we're taking her for the Olympics, and that's just
gonna make people more upset. All we don't want those
people to be more upset, So we're not gonna take
her now. I mean, I feel like that was the
reason behind why they didn't take her. They'd looked for
reason to say no, to make a group of people
happy so we could have, you know, a bunch of
days without a Katelee Clark conversation, not realizing hey, this
(08:06):
is just going to fuel that fire even more.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, I'll let everybody you know in the that wants
to run the numbers and everything on WNBA and the
effectiveness and win shares and all of that stuff, when
it comes to Caitlyn Clark the player, right, she's not
going to be that far off of that number twelve
slot based on what she's done thus far. I don't
(08:28):
believe if you were to go through the math and
anybody that's actually watched a bunch of these games, because
I hear a lot of chuckling about how many turnovers.
Go actually watch the damn games. See how many fall
off the fingertips of players who can't handle a pass
or fumble fumble things as she dishes. It doesn't excuse
it all the way, but you can explain several turnovers
(08:51):
a game just based on her teammates inability to corral
the basketball. That being said, you know, you're also looking
at the other numbers that come in into it, right,
look with magic and bird or you get off tape
delay and all of that for the finals, and now
the NBA getting some juice and some of it, you know,
the racial back and forth Boston and Michigan and everything else.
(09:15):
You know, the building off of their their collegiate battle
there again in the WNBA. Now when we go into
the Olympics, you know, I get it. It's the it's
not the WNBA. It's still women's basketball, still putting a focus.
And this goes back to just the marketing and sales
and recognition, and this goes for the people that build
(09:35):
the team and are on the team. Eventually, the rights
deal is gonna come up and you're not gonna have
to go to ninety seven different places to find WNBA games.
Guess what everybody's gonna suddenly see how much money they're
making because of this, and it's gonna be like, oh yeah,
all right, I'm on board.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And maybe so it's just not reflected yet in the paychecks. So,
because you got a bunch of folks who've gotten shoe
deals announced, some of which were already in the works, right,
famously the Asia Wilson ones, where I was like, why
did she have a shoot? It's like, well, because it
hadn't done the marketing campaign yet. The fact that the
Clark deal with the number got out, you know, wasn't
(10:14):
wasn't their fault. They were trying to do a proper
release heading into the season. Life goes on. But WNBA
viewership is tripled this season at one point three million
per game, watching on average four sixty two. They say,
from a season ago, that's the case. Again, it's just
math and math, math, And where the women's team would
(10:37):
get a boost from the profile, right, you'd get more cutouts,
and look, you're going up against swimming and gymnastics, which
rumbally dominate coverage, right, and usually you get the violins
playing behind somebody's story.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Or whatever else.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And this year obviously, Simone Biles is the big story
in her return to things. Well, you get to put up,
get put up on that metal stand in terms of coverage,
and guess what, everybody on the roster, you're gonna win
because you're suddenly but wait, she's got three gold medals, Hey,
Madison Avenue, what what what have we not been doing?
Why haven't we been looking at her? Everybody's gonna get fed.
(11:14):
Uh if you give her a seat and make sure
she's at the table, and you know, when we talk
about merit and earning it whatever, I just I just chuckle. Right,
look at the men's side this time. There's a lot
of guys that have merit to be on that team,
but for whatever reason, aren't go back to your Latner Shack. Well,
(11:34):
I guess some of the veterans didn't want Shack around
wondering what was gonna go on there? Right, So, I
mean it's it's the tale of his oldest time. I
don't even need to do the thirty minute of sad
Isaiah Thomas. I mean we already know that story.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Look, but here's the point to it is that nothing
exists in a vacuum, right, right, If This was the men,
and it was here's a young star coming up, and
we don't know if we're gonna take. Well, obviously you're
not gonna take because one, it is about winning, but two,
you have a lot of star power there already. Right,
it's not like, boy, if this guy's not here. But
(12:09):
when when you're women's basketball, Okay, here's a chance. You
know you're gonna go in and beat everybody. You know
you're gonna win, and you know that the bottom people
on your roster are only gonna get to play if
it's a blowout. Right, you're in a but which means
they're gonna get time. So you could have done that.
You could have served all masters there. You could have said, hey,
you know what, all right, here's the deal. We understand
(12:30):
why she's there, The players understand. You could have had
a tougher conversation said, look, we're taking Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Sorry, she's not gonna play a lot. You guys are
all gonna play.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
The coach is not gonna suddenly say sorry I got
up with Kitlyn in because she's got too many followers
on Twitter. Uh no, we're not gonna do that. But
they could have done but they could have. They could
have just said, Hey, this is how it's gonna work.
We're gonna go. You know who's gonna wind up playing
most of the minutes. Caitlyn's gonna come. You know, she's
good for women's basketball, and that's how it's gonna be there.
(13:00):
There was no reason to not take her. And that's
what I keep coming back to is there was no
reasons that our player's gonna be jealous. Of course are
they're gonna be jealous about Caitlyn Clark no matter what happens,
because she's got a shoe deal early and she's got
everything else the players have wanted for twenty years, and
she walks into a league with it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
There's gonna be people that you can't satisfy them no
matter what. But for this situation, you could have done it.
You could have said, Okay, we can all go win
a gold medal. We can all go have our best
players play. We can have Caitlyn Clark show up, which
you'll bring more notification to the game. It is a
TV show, after all, Olympics is a television show. We
can bring more notification. More people might watch the WNBA
(13:38):
coming off of us winning the gold medal. Play see
Kitlyn Clark play we come back. It's gonna just help us.
We could have done all of these things. And that's
the real sad part of this is that it would.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Have been so easy. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's cause it's not like saying, hey, Caitlyn's on the
team and she's gonna start.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
No, no, no, She's gonna be on the.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Team and she's gonna play when it's merited, and no
one's gonna be upset about it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
No one's gonna get no, one's.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Gonna say, we gotta have Kaylyn Clark out there. Hey,
we're beating Angola by fifty, Kaitlyn Clark will get out
and play. We're beating Spain by twenty five. Kaitlyn Clark
will get out there and play. I mean, I think
they were looking for a cond Like I said, they
were looking for a reason to say no, and they
were trying to manufacture a controversy that would say, oh, hey,
if this comes up, yeah, this might not go well,
(14:20):
so we're not gonna take her.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean the other thing all of it, Jason, is
to you know, everybody in the room is an adult,
so let's treat it like and like it and every
adult has to hear this. You should hear it as
a kid. But let me be the first. If you haven't,
life ain't fair.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Exit? How about a Fresca exit?
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Speaker 3 (16:27):
Danny Hurley is a new Lakers head.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Go oh wait, no, sorry he isn't Danny Hurley deciding
I don't want your seventy million dollars. I'm gonna stay
at Yukon and chase my third national championship. A guy
the Lakers went all in on has decided to stay
in stores Connecticut. So what happens now?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
How bad a failure was this for the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Joining us now on the hotline, longtime Lakers insider with
the La Times, friend of the show, and a guy
who actually had control of Buster Only's Twitter account earlier today, what's.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Happening, bud guys to the moon? We're taking bumpster coin
to the moon. Look well, well, dude, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I look at today and I don't know that there's
been a day where you can see the Laker brand
is at a lower level because not only did they
not get the guy they went all in after he
basically played them for more money, he's going to get
at Yukon and I this is just this is just
a disaster that I saw for that that that happened
today for the Lakers, and I don't know where they
(17:32):
go from here.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I think I agree with a lot of that. I mean,
I think it's not that hard to close your eyes
and remember a very similar situation that happened in a
not too distant Laker path twenty years ago. Actually, when
this team went all in to hire Mike Schefsky and
failed and I believe ended up with three times Janovich
(17:55):
and failed and yeah, didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Didn't coach k get paid like five hundred k in
this search or.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Something like you know, so, I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, this is the risk Lakers are not, Like,
this is the risk that you run when you swim
in these college coaching waters. Because you can offer more
money the Lakers did. You know, you can offer a
(18:23):
better off season esque lifestyle, which the Lakers can, right,
But here's what you can't offer. You can't offer the
type of autonomy that you get in college. You can't
offer the type of control and you know, the type
of dopamine hit from winning and weirdly enough from losing
(18:45):
that you get in college, which is something that I
really talked about, right, Like you gave an interview to
sixty minutes I think earlier year where you've said something
about how you know one of his favorite feelings is
the feeling after a loss where it just feels like
it's like death locker room, and it's just like everybody
is just like, you lose this game, and you feel
like if you have three of those in the NBA season,
(19:06):
like you're cooked. The season is too long. It's like
to get that emotionally high, to get that emotionally low,
you know, and the Lakers couldn't offer that, and I
think whether it was a bad fit, whatever it was,
you know, he chose the happiness that he knows and
(19:27):
not the uncertainty that was ahead of him. And let's
be really fair, this is a lot of uncertainty, and
you know, the Lakers kind of look like they've been
taking for a ride for four or five days in
a really really strange coaching search. That says a lot
because somewhere hidden within the Laker logo is the words
(19:50):
it's been a really strange coaching just sort of what
they do. And this has been a this has been
an exceptionally weird one.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well that's I guess to go back to it. Right
when this first hit the radar in the middle of
last week. Had it been circulating it all behind the scenes,
you heard this. I mean we joked about after he
won the title, and it was obvious that Ham was
going to get fired, but it was kind of a
all right, throw throw stuff up against a wall. So
all of a sudden, this report comes out from friend
(20:20):
of his family, Dan and here we are.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, I mean that part of it is strange. I mean,
like I can't like totally like clean exactly what all
of that means. But it was a surprise, you know,
and I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it. I've
been talking to probably a circle of twenty or so
people and then around the organization and coaching circles, people
(20:46):
who were early round candidates for this job and I
never won. Sort of Anybody say like I'm nervous about
Dan Hurley and this mix like it never came up,
which is a weird it just and look, if you're
Rob Plinka, like you have reasons to keep this secret, right,
Like one like you don't want Medeshpia finding out right,
(21:07):
Like that's one thing you don't want kind of Dan
Hurley's sort of like flirtation with the NBA. You don't
want competition for that two for Dan Hurley, you don't
want it out because you're trying to recruit and you're
trying to keep guys out of the portal and different
things like that. You want Alex Caravan to come back
to school, you know, just in case this doesn't work out.
(21:29):
So you know, you you the Lakers moved in a
real sort of ConA silence on this, you know, And
my immediate reporting was after you know, this got announced.
I mean, there are people when this isn't like interns
within the Lakers, but people high up in the organization
who had no idea that this was going to happen.
(21:49):
No cup right, this is very much a rock like
a Genie bus thing. And now that it's fallen apart,
it is you know, the pressure I think is doubled.
I mean, look the pressure on these people to get
this decision right. It was always really important. This only
makes it harder because now it sort of throws the
(22:10):
entire process into what's sort of like for like you're
like examination, right, like you want to look at it
and say, like, well, you know, did they talk themselves
into Dan Hurley, did they talk themselves out of JJ Reddick,
did they talk themselves out of James virego, where do
they stand? I mean, like they you know, like you said,
they pushed all in on this hand. You know, they
(22:31):
might not have any chips, but they still need a coach,
so you know, and if you can't get it right, like,
how does this ripple to your roster? I mean, you know, look,
I think at the end of the day, I still
have not been presented with a compelling alternate destination for
Lebron James other than the Lakers that can combine money, competitiveness,
(22:52):
and happiness. But like you know this knowing Lebron like
he doesn't want the last two years of his career
if that's how ever long he's gonna play, like to
be like a total disaster, Like that's not the hope,
you know what I mean? And I think I think
you wonder like if this this, how does this sit
(23:13):
with him? You know? I mean he's out there tweeting
today about you know, responding to people about people who
think he's not about winning. Like that's not an accident,
I don't think today I think that is a well
timed response to a tweet.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So so what does happen from here? I mean, is
is JJ Redick Lebron's guy? As he's secretly happy that
that Dan Hurley didn't say yes. I mean, I don't
know where that's the thing is, Dan, I don't know
where the Lakers go from here, Like what's what's the
next thing? If they were all in on Dan Hurley?
And you know you told us last week that hey,
all the JJ Reddick talks seem to come from outside
(23:47):
the circles that we're making decisions with the Lakers, Like
like what is it now? Like, like how do you
go and say, oh, this is our guy?
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yeah, Well that's going to be a hard part, right,
You're gonna have to lie to yourself in a real way,
a real Stanza ask like it's only a lie if
you don't believe it to be true, the type of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, or it takes two to lie, one to line
one to listen. So there's that done.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I think you know the the way that I would
do this, And I have to be like totally clear,
like I don't know the answer to this right now.
It is mind boggling. Like I think the way you
do this, right is if you're the Lakers, you have
not had like the formal JJ Redick interview. Yet that
(24:34):
doesn't mean you haven't spoken to him, and that doesn't
mean you haven't spoken to them extensively because they have,
but like they haven't done like the full on, like
meet everybody in the building, like give JJ Redick a
chance to win this job. Now, what's an interesting factor
in this, and these are the things we don't know,
is like, was there an event that occurred prior that
(24:56):
you know, precipitated the pivot seemingly a pivot to Dan
Early now? Or did the Lakers truly believe that it
was Dan Early from day one? You know, Like that
is a big question mark. No one knows. And if
there was an event that that forced the pivot, you know,
let's say the Lakers decided in the end that they
didn't want to hire somebody who had no coaching experience.
(25:18):
Can they go back on that now? You know? Is
is that a possibility? Do you do? You reset the
process and give some of the other assistants that you
talked to along the way, the Sam Casseels and David Edelmans,
the Mike and Nooris of the world, you know names
by the way that like three weeks ago four weeks
ago seemed really exciting. Now that Denver and Minnesota out
(25:42):
of the playoffs seem a little less exciting. You know,
do you do you do you circle back on those
guys and give them a bigger opportunity, or do you
kind of look at Redick and James Wrego, the two
guys that you would kind of move the furthest with.
And I think Sam dis is on a prep for that,
but but really, do you look at those two guys
(26:03):
and we'll say Sam is a third and say like, okay,
we need to pick one of these guys. And now
at this point, it's like, let's do the least you
do the least amount of harm, right, which is like
the worst possible methods, right Like that, that's not what
you want to say before you hand the keys. I
mean franchised to somebody. And I think that's not to
say that these people aren't capable. I think they are,
(26:26):
but I do think that you know, if you're going
to go it, if you're gonna they clearly thought Curly
was worth the bigger swing, and now that they whift,
you know, it's you know, no one likes to feel
like a second choice and Look. The good news is though,
in the NBA, there are ways around this, right, like
(26:47):
extra year here, that option there, A couple extorts, a god,
I mean, a couple, a couple of million dollars can
can solve some hurt feelings pretty quickly in this league.
And I think that's pro probably how this story ends,
but hasn't ended yet and the draft is in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, good times, Yeah that's about right.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, look, always theme park tickets and then some
gift cards to some bougie restaurants. He's Dan Waki La
Times with us here Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike
Harmon from the Dirac dot Com Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Find Dan always worked the La Times of course, and
at dan Waki Sports. I kind of like the original
thought of all this though, Dan where it was gonna
be JJ Reddick and the All Stars looking over his shoulder,
(27:35):
and then we were wondering when the coup was gonna
gonna fall. I mean, look, as a media person, that's
the key. I don't want to see my my Laker friends,
you know, kind of lose their minds game to game.
But that was the best theater for me.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well, look, I think so you know, I covered JJ
with the Clippers, and I don't pretend to know him
in you know a real sort of like like I wouldn't.
I would be a bad I couldn't testify a well you.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Could see how they portrayed him on clip.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
But like I've got to know him. I've got to
know him pretty well through time. And like I will say,
like I do think like one, if he thought he
was in danger of being walked over, he wouldn't dig
the up like like that's like that is not what
he is about. Like he isn't a you know. And
(28:29):
I think like he probably has a little like Dan
Hurley and him in the sense that it's like he
is a very passionate person and he will like clap
back at you if he doesn't like what he sees
and he doesn't like what he hears, right, you know,
it can like go Google with Duke NC State game disrespect,
(28:50):
you know what I mean? Like, and and I think
like there's an element of that, Like so I really
truly believe that given the opportunity in this job, like
I think there's a chance he'd be really good at it.
He's a smart person, he's analytic, but he also obviously
has the experience as a player. He's been away from
the game long enough that he's probably been able to
(29:11):
like kind of like wipe the NBA player crust out
of his eyes and see it a little more or
less blurry and be able to see more than one
side of it. And you know, he's an incredibly hard worker,
Like he's an inpredibly hard look a maniacal like I'd
still like, I mean, that's a that though, you know,
(29:34):
like I mean, what if what if he doesn't like it?
What if you know, he thought it would be one
thing and it's something different? What if? These are all
the real questions that you have to ask about any
anybody does anything for the first time and you think
they're gonna be good at it. And I've said it once,
said a hundred times. This is the weirdness that comes
(29:55):
with Lebron James at this stage of his career, is
that it's like JJ Redick might he a very good
four or five year bet. Dan Hurley might have been
a very good four or five year bet, by the way,
and you're still making five year bets with two really
important years. We'll say at the front of it with
Lebron James, and there's not a lot of time for
(30:20):
learning curves. There's not a lot of time for development.
You know, his patients extends a little bit, but it
only goes so far to get the best version of him.
And it's a hard situation, guys. I will say this
about the Dan Hurley thing really quickly too. And this
I swear I'm not holding lot for anybody on this,
but it is lake of fans got worked up into
(30:40):
a real cusy on this. There is there is almost
no track record of people being good and what Dan
Hurley was about to try to do, I should say, great,
I'm sorry. You know you have Brad Stevens. Sure, I
mean you have Billy Donovan. Like the numbers would tell
you that what Billy of it is accomplished with the
(31:01):
thunder and the bulls. If you get that out of
the college coach that you hire with no NBA experience,
like you have, I mean, like the like the alternative
is John bulin Rick, Thekino John coult part, you know
what I mean. Like there are like there are there's
a mountain of guys who've tried this and stunk in it,
(31:22):
you know, So I'm not saying blessing in disguise. I'm
saying that this job is a really hard job no
matter who takes it, and there there are really healthy
arguments to be made against J. J. Reddick, a lot
of which, by the way, you could also sort of
make against Dan Hurley. It's just, you know, I mean,
the track record of guys who've had no coaching experience
(31:43):
who come from like the booth and something like that
or the front office to coach is also not very good.
It's there's a the this is the this is the
state of the search. It's a lot of projection. And
I think people talk themselves into Dan Hurley because of
the championships and you know, at least there's that and
some big name and it's a swing and it's inspired.
(32:04):
But uh, you know, this doesn't mean the Lakers are
going to come up next time here at the play
here in the coaching search and be able to you know,
a and Andrew Vaughan slap single, like you know, and
Andrew and Andrew being tendee, Uh derive it to the
(32:25):
mid right field. Like, No, they're going to happen. I mean,
they're going to be taking another big swing and there's
no safe option here. I guess James regular is the
safe option. But I guess I mean Cleveland likes him too,
like you know, like you're on the clock and uh so, yeah,
it's it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
He's on Twitter at Dan Wiki Sports that has had
sees how the White Sox lost tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
There is the state of the Lakers right there. From
Lakers into.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Those guys off the West coast. Please ignore the.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Afternoon, appreciate him. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
See you, buddy, There he goes.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Great great stuff from Dan Waki The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. Thanks to Dan Wake
for stopping by for the latest on the Danny Hurley
Lakers story. Straight ahead, we have a great, big hot
take on the biggest story in sports today.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh keep it right here Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
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Speaker 1 (33:29):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon live from Thetirack dot Com studios. You know, look,
we spent a lot of time I talked about how embarrassing.
This was for the Lakers to be told no by
Danny Hurley. And what makes it even doubly embarrassing is this, Mike,
and I know that I love getting a big hot
(33:50):
take out there on it because I look at Danny
Hurley after today and say, I don't think he was
ever gonna come to the Lakers. I don't think there
was an offer that he was gonna take that would
make him a Laker. And I don't think it's as
simple as well. He had a fun weekend in LA.
He went to see Billy Joel A. We had some
fun stuff gone.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I mean he went all the way back to the garden.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Man, he came got it. Got what he is like,
I got seven thirty tickets.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I just had a great weekend. Man, We're in LA
in New York. Is that you look at what happened.
Danny Hurley knows the Lakers, he knows the situation. He
knows it's Lebron, it's a d and what goes along
with it. He knows the players that are there and
still I'll go out and interview with them. And he
said everything went well. The Lakers offered him a lot
(34:36):
of money. Nothing changed, Nothing happened except reinforcing why I
would go to the Lakers, and what happens after a
time in which the Lakers reached out. He said, yes,
they spoke. He said things went well. They offered him
a lot of money. Turning down seventy million dollars would
have made him like the third ish highest paid, fourths
(34:57):
highest paid player of kis paid coach in the en
behind all guys who have championships. He says no right
away and goes back to Yukon, and we get the
story today from the governor of Connecticut that yeah, we're
gonna make Daniel Hurly the highest paid coach in all
of college basketball.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
All he did was use the Lakers as leverage.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Because this happened way too fast, and it happened with
everything going right for him to say yeah, no, don't
want to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh, you're gonna give me more money.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Maybe the highest paid coach in college basketball, like he used.
This is like stuff that was done to the Knicks
ten years ago. Oh I thought the NICKSPT. No, you
just used the Knicks's leverage.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
This is hey, hey, nobody's better than my team.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
This is where the Lakers are man, they got used
by Danny Hurley to get more money to stay at
Yukon because nothing went poorly, nothing went bad.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
They didn't try to Nickel and Diamond on the money. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, you knew what was going coming in. You still
wanted to talk to the Lakers, and you still said
no right away. I mean, that's all it was. He
used the Lakers as leverage, which tells you where the
Lakers franchise is.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
This is not all the Lakers and Lakers they not like, no,
this is the Lakers are just another team right now.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
They are just another team in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
That's the curiosity, right What percentage of his mind wasn't
made up or just decided I want to free trip
to La. I wanted to be whined and dined, remember,
I mean when Lebron and Carmelo and everybody were making
their tours right and at the United Center they had
the photoshop Carmelo in a Bulls uniform and all that stuff.
(36:27):
I mean, sometimes you just want to feel wanted. And
for Danny Hurley, maybe there was some small percentage where
it's like, all right, I at least got to see
this out. And again, you know, as we talked with
Dan Waki. He'd never heard that name come up, that
they were worried about him. So how much of that
was a last minute or one of the greatest stealth
organizational runs ever Balinka and Buss Even though it didn't
(36:49):
come to fruition, they'll be able to walk out and say, hey,
we took the big swing. Y'all wanted leave us.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Alone, go away. But so it's that kind of thing
as you go through.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
He might have had five percent, was still curious of all, right,
what else is there. Let's talk to these people and
really make sure one hundred percent. You know, we just
want to be whined and dined a little, knowing that
Yukon's in our back pocket. Couple of the guys you
know are coming back that weren't in the draft. Yukon
is the big winner though, Right, they don't have to
worry find a new coach in this late hour and
(37:22):
that thirty day window where everybody could leave, uh doesn't
open because Danny Hurley came back. But yeah, if you
truly only got used as leverage and there was never
a serious moment in this, then that's sad. Hopefully they
got some nice parting gifts from the Lakers, and maybe
some great photo ops with Danny Hurley before he left
(37:42):
the building we were closed.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I got with Danny Hurley as they want to go.
He came to the building really prove. We talked to him,
had a long conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
We were this close. That's somebody's shaking my hand.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
I thought this was a contract stealer.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
So embarrassing for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I really there's not been a moment where the Laker
brand has been lower than it is right now.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Exit.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I about a Fresca exit swollen down the Jason Smith
Show with my best friend Mike Carmon. How about a
big spin of positivity on the biggest controversy in the
last couple of days.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's next.
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