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June 14, 2024 37 mins

Jason and Mike tell you if Trevor Lawrence is really worth $275 million. Longtime NBA Insider Marc Stein drops by for all things NBA Finals. And the Big 12 is exploring selling its naming right to a title sponsor.

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Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now, before we get into the biggest story in the NFL,
let me just say this. Tonight's walkoff home run by
JD Martinez wasn't just a walkoff home run by a
Mets player. It's the first walk off home run he's
had in his entire career three hundred and twenty one
home runs, the first walk off he has ever had

(01:10):
in his entire career.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Seasons he's been stopped. He stop. This season's not over.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
The more he's American's time with the Mets.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
What are you doing, dude, dude, the more season's over, Yeah, yeah,
mine is. But the more he hits, the better player
we're gonna get from at the deadline when he goes someplace,
it actually matters.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Man, Come on, I mean what it has been.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I gotta say for a guy who's he's basically a
professional hitter like that, Like I think what I think
a professional hitter?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You think of JD. Martinez? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
He he hits this ball tonight that's about six inches
off the ground, and you know, watching him for his
whole career be able to drive those low outside pitches
into the gap and home runs of the opposite field, Like,
this is a guy. Really we should have been we
should have been spending more time about how good this
guy is. But again, when guys are dhs, if they're
not hitting sixty one ons a year, it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
But this guy has had some career. Man in his
first walk off.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Home run, you got Grimace pitching every five days?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Great, yeah, Grimmas is our second best pitcher. Man, it's
Christian Scott who's in Triple A and now it's Grimace.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
See there you go.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, I think you'd spend more time on him, you know,
if we actually were just doing local market shows when he.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Was playing there, and then maybe JD.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Martinez if we were on exclusively in Boston, probably some
more JD. Martinez, if we were only doing the LA Show.
Then yeah, his time with the Dodgers, and you just
because you want to be making a met centric kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Don't try to rob me of my misery.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
When Julio Rodriguez, as Steve de Sager so gleefully set
in his update, hit a home run to tie the
White Sox in the bottom of the nine as they
try to blow another game.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, Croch had like thirteen ks.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, what do you mean try to blow the game?
At least he worked with a lot of power there.
You've taken the lead now in the tenth.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Okay, no, I know that, but they did their to,
you know, open the door to blow that game again.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And don't forget they still get to bat.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
We're gonna get to Trevor Lawrence in a second.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
However, we do have news coming into the newsroom right now,
and this is not gonna surprise anybody, but Connor McGregor
is not going to fight at UFC three to OZHO
three against Michael Chandler. His injury means he is out.
He will not return for the UFC three to ZHO
three card. And look, McGregor has been a guy who
you know, for the last few years, has kind of

(03:30):
existed around MMA, like Mike Tyson existed around boxing post
of Vander Holyfield in ninety six.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's okay, he's.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Been around, but he hasn't really been doing anything, and
his fights and appearances have been few and far between.
And I kind of feel like the UFC is at
a point with Connor McGregor where boxing was with Tyson
like in ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand. Okay, we
got to move past him, We got to move past
him to somebody else. It's not and boxing could never
do it, and this is why boxing got usurped by MMA.

(04:00):
But right now, I mean, he's the point where you
gotta move past Connor McGregor. Okay, you have to be
able to move past it. He's still a big drive,
I get, but you gotta move past him. That of
him being the biggest draw when he's not really involved,
he's not fighting. Who knows what he's got left, who
knows when he can fight again. You gotta be able
to move past him.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, So Berera Pechaska light heavyweight title fight now is
there for UFC three oh three on the twenty ninth,
McGregor Chandler until later later on this year. In theory
he got injured before last week's press conference in Dublin. Yeah,
I mean, you move on as best you can. But
when that guy's still available on what was the big

(04:39):
story in the golf world today, Tiger was at where
his betting line was for his first round not so great,
not so terrible, but he played and it trumped anything
else that was going on on the course. So when
McGregor is still in line, when he's not out shilling
for his alcohol products or whatever else he endorses, he's

(05:03):
still a name because it cuts through right.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's just a guy.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
You remember those those chaotic uh and fantastic fights and
the microphone chaos that would come thereafter, where he just
took no prisoners and we had to spend three hours
bleeping it all out before it was radio worthy, and
we still had our fingers over the plungers and dump buttons.

(05:27):
But yeah, I mean until he's retired, you're just gonna
see more of the same.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
As soon as a new data is announced.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's gonna be like the Tyson Paul fight saying, Hey,
it's back on.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Don't forget how cent are you if you bought cage
side seats for this fight?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Though?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, no, you're not getting a refund, No, no, no, no, yeah,
but I'd rather see Mike Pereira in a cage match
if I get that. At least he'd tell me the rules,
you know, before we Here's what's gonna happen. I mean, look,
he's fought four times in the last seven years, right,
McGregor got to a point where he realized I don't
need to fight anymore and he stopped right.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yet he's fought four times less celebrity.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
He hasn't fought since he since he broke his leg
in twenty twenty one. He had the big fight with
Floyd Mayweather, which was which was a big money grab.
He's one of those guys I don't need to fight anymore,
so I'm not gonna do it in the UFC. Now
it's seven years and still Connor McGregor gives you more
interest than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Gotta find a way to move past him. Gotta do it.
But take the dollars where they come, buddy. We'll have
more on this story he has develops again.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
This is new news in here, just in the last
few minutes about Connor McGregor and UFC three ZHO three.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Meanwhile, let me just say.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
This, Trevor Lawrence agreed to a new contract with the
Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, big story, biggest thing is forever and all the
NFL say it. Uh. He is a jag in more
ways than one.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Five year, two hundred and seventy five million dollar deal
averaging fifty five million a year, two hundred million dollars
is guaranteed. Now, there's only one thing wrong with this contract, Mike.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Problem with this, No, No, there's only one thing wrong
with it. One thing wrong. One thing. That's it. That's it,
just one. You can boil it all down, do ony.
One thing.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
There's there's only one thing wrong with this, one thing
wrong with this contract.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
There's not a lot, just one thing wrong with this.
It's stupid, that's what's wrong with this. Trevor Lawrence is
getting paid like he's still the next generational quarterback coming
out of Clemson. And haven't you seen what happened the
last three years? He's just been okay. Last year he

(07:34):
wasn't even great the first twelve or thirteen weeks, and
he was out and out awful the final five weeks
of the season. Right now, he had a second year
in the NFL, which was pretty good. He had a
bad first year and a second year where you said, Okay,
Doug Peterson, this is gonna be good. He's on his way.
And he followed that up with a year that was
you would say was league average. Twenty one touchdowns, fourteen picks,

(07:58):
throws way too many interceptions, and he's not dynamic enough
to throw fourteen interceptions. If he was throwing for you
gotta throw thirty five touchdowns, you're gonna throw fourteen picks.
You can't go twenty one and fourteen, right that's no
longer acceptable. You can't have a quarterback rating that's in
the bottom third of the league, which is what Trevor
Lawrence is. The idea of Trevor Lawrence, like people still

(08:18):
think he's gonna be great because he was a studd
at Clemson, and it's kind of like Sammy Watkins, right,
we know Sammy Watkins.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
We going want to study club like that.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
And then Sammy Watkins' career camean wit and you got
boy really wasn't that great? Well, but he was great
in college. Yeah, I get it. And I understand that
Lawrence was supposed to be the transcendental and the next
once in a generation guy and instead.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
He's just been Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
He was a league average quarterback last year after his
third year. And this is a guy now, at fifty
five million a year, is the highest paid quarterback in
the NFL, alongside Joe Burrow. This contract is just stupid, right,
And it's stupid not because of the money, because look,
it's not my money, and I don't care about It's
not all the players are getting paid too much money.
But you're talking about someone who was taking up twenty

(09:00):
percent of your salary cap. Now, how do you win
in the NFL having most money available to get good
players to either come in or keep good players? You
have a guy taking up twenty percent of your salary cap.
That's gotta be a guy that's gonna go to the
pro Bowl every year at least that's gonna be an
All Pro.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Not a guy who in three years has been to
the Pro Bowl once.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Not a guy who is in the bottom third of
the league when it comes to quarterback rating, right, Not
a guy that throws more interceptions than just about any
other starting quarterback in the league the last three years.
Can't you can't give fifty five million dollars to that guy.
I get you, you don't want to feel like you're
starting over a quarterback. But man, you could have go
get Gardner Minshew back and he would give you these
these numbers that that that Trevor Lawrence has given you.

(09:41):
He had, He had the best team around him last
year that he was ever gonna have. He had great
wide receivers. Christian Kirk turned into a great receiver until
he got hurt. You had Calvin Ridley coming off injury.
You got a really good running back in Travis at
ten who's not great, but he's still really good. You
had angrim You got weapons Man twenty one touchdowns, fourteen picks.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, he's not a three hundred yard passer every week.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
This is This is not a guy that says he's
going to set the market right. This is Hey, all
the quarterbacks are happy, Dak is doing back. What's going
If Trevor Lawrence is getting fifty five million, I'm gonna
get like eighty million. The owners are unhappy because the
Jaguars said, hey, we're gonna overpay to go keep one
of our guys. But this is not a player that
you give fifty five million dollars a year two. This

(10:22):
should have been a proven year for Trevor Lawrence. If
you're being honest about the guy, hey, prove you're better
than a league average quarterback. Instead, we're gonna we're gonna
keep you forever. I mean, it's it's not just it's
not just the one game he had two years ago
on the play. They came back and they beat the Chargers. Sorry, Frostburg,
I know it's still too soon. That was great, great moment.
You thought that you thought the Jaguars were on the

(10:43):
rise at that moment. Yes, I believed in Trevor Lawrence.
I thought he was gonna be that guy he came
off of the first year with urban Meyer.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You give him a.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Pass this but he was just not good last year
and he was not good down the stretch. And before
you tell me, well, Christian Kirk was hurt, there's a
this is a guy you're paying three million dollars a game.
Two right, you're paying him three million dollars a game.
He's got to be he's got to be a guy
that makes a difference that makes the players around him better.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And instead he's just.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
A wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.
He's just a jag. He is just a guy. He's
a league average quarterback. And now you are stuck giving
him money, all this money for the next few years.
That's going to eat up twenty percent of your salary cap.
Good luck trying to build a team and get players
and resigned players. Ring him in when you're giving Trevor
Lawrence money that you don't need to give him because
you could have gotten the same kind of production from

(11:31):
lots of guys in free a. You can on it
out and got Kirk Cousins, you know, for for what
the Falcons paid him, plus two hundred and fifty grand
that they got fined today for tampering. Like you could
go out and get a guy it gives you this
for a lot less money, and instead, no, it's like
because Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be so special. It
looks bad if we don't give him money, and it
looks bad if we don't treat him like he is

(11:52):
the next great quarterback in the league.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
He's not. I'd rather have half the league over Trevor
Lawrence right now.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I just remember when he came into the league, one
of those long time golden boys and now one of
the faces of this league in perpetuity. Well, he sucked,
and that was Peyton Manning going back to Indianapolis, and
he ended up turning out.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
For Trevor Lawrence, he's gonna be twenty five later on
this summer. Most of the guys that got drafted this
year were turned twenty five coming into the league. He
got a couple of years of tape, and obviously the
catastrophic disaster and ending for the Jaguars last year was

(12:35):
bested only by the Eagles. Otherwise, you know, you and
I talked about it a bunch, you know, because well
Jaguars show and paying attention to it fantasy and trying
to you know, span the league. But you know, for Lawrence,
he got a little bit of a free pass nationally
for it. You've retooled the receiving roster. You know, Ridley's

(12:56):
gone after that one year. He goes over to Tennessee
coming off the suspension that he'd had. You added in
the draft, and you bring in my guy, Gabe Davis.
So it'll be curious to see, you know, what the
future holds. But they made the bet that he's still
that guy, and with Doug Peterson, that they can still
make him that guy instead of going for what's behind

(13:19):
Dornumble number two. They decided that the devil they know
is better than any that they don't going back into
the draft or playing the weight and sea game as
the price poker goes up, right, Because that's the bigger
decision that you have to make. And what you've had
go on with Jerry Jones and some of these other
squads is, yeah, we're not ready to sign him yet.
It's like wait, now, it's gonna be an extra twelve

(13:40):
million a year. It's like, damn it, we should have
signed him back there. Because it's all about alternatives and
deciding do you have that guy in the room, and
obviously Jaguars brass has decided that he is him.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Let me ask you this, this is the last thing
I'll tell you to prove my point that this is
a bad contract. He has played fifth the regular season
games in the NFL. Right, fifty games? How many three
hundred yard games do you think he has?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Eight? Fifty? He's got eight exactly? Did you look it up?
There's no way you guess that, right, No, there's just stop, man,
Just say.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You look no legitimately, you look at no legitimately, Yes,
that is not right.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now. I have a page open. That's the Celtics coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I've got the end of the what Swatch game because
I actually won what a lie article about adding coaches?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
The box score from the Dream versus the Fever? What
you're what a liar? You? A liar you are?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
And what was the name of the the Big mac
or the police officer in the McDonald's universe? Okay, well
that's all I got, Buddy's everything I got.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I believe that. One I believe is I believe that
McDonald's is on that legitimately. Those are the only tabs
I have in front of.

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NBA insider Mark Stein stops by the Mavericks still have
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As we try to see what is now next for
the Dallas Mavericks and Luka Doncic heading into Game four
the NBA Finals, it's Mark Stein, Mark, what's happening man?

Speaker 5 (18:00):
How are you again? Some goods? Just recorded my own
podcast It will come out tomorrow, but got it done
in time to join you all right?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, I assume on the podcast, I assume you talked
a lot about Luka Dansi from last night to today.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
He apologizes today for his conduct, you know, for filing
out of the game last night and everything that went
along with it. Last night he wanted to blame the officials.
Today he was much more apologetic.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I can't do that. I can't.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I can't let my team down the way I've been
doing this. What do you see and what have you
seen from Luca? Are you on board with all this
narrative that we've seen over the course of how the
NBA Finals have played out.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
No, it's too much. But look, that's the way the
NBA works. Charles Barkley has been saying it for as
long as I can remember. Stars get the bulk of
the credit and stars get the bulk of the blame
when things go wrong. And look Luca's comportment with it.

(19:00):
Officials unquestionably have to change.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Better conditioning would unquestionably help him get through the grind
of the playoffs. But I just think we have to
take a step back and realize what kind of playoff
run he's had with the injuries he's had. The Mavericks
came through the gauntlet of the West, and even last night,

(19:25):
with as bad as everyone said his defense was, I mean,
they were still plus nine with him on the floor.
The issue that Mavericks are really having in this series
is their offense, because this Boston team is so good defensively,
and we forgot that. We focused so much on Minnesota
leading the league in defense, and so the Boston and

(19:49):
the forty three is a game that they take that
we forgot that the Celts are still a great defensive
team that somehow got better because they were able to
get Porzingis and Drew Holliday and just the way the
Celtics have guarded the Mavericks and the way they have
attacked Luca to wear him down because of this incredible

(20:12):
load he has to shoulder. I mean, the Celtics have
really impressed me. I just I you know, everything that's
been thrown at them in this series, they've had the
answer for no for Zingis in games free. You know,
they've had the meltdown to blow the twenty point lead
they got through that. I mean, I was in that

(20:32):
club that was questioning these guys and we you know,
the East was so easy and we still haven't seen it,
and on and on and on, and they've just you know,
they are the team. They've been the team of the
season and they are playing to that level and they
deserve the lead they have.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know, it's funny last night we spent a lot
of time talking about you and what you said last
week when I when I said to you, if you're
the Mavericks, what keeps you up at night about the Celtic, Well,
what is it? And this gets into me for what
the series has been is you said that everybody on
the Celtics can shoot it deep, and they can all
hit threes. And while they're not shooting from a great percentage,

(21:10):
they're all hitting threes. Everybody's hitting threes and the Mavericks
are not. These are two are the best three point
shooting teams in the league. And for me, it's sometimes
is that simple. I remember you saying everybody can shoot
it and shoot it from deep, and the Mavericks have
to match it, and they're not doing.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
It so far well. And I think I think the
Celtics have had a big hand in that, just because
you know, they have the personnel basically guard Luca and
Kyrie as straight up as you can. And they've taken
all the others, as Shaq would say, out of the game.
The MAVs aren't getting the corner threes and the lobs

(21:45):
that they were able to get in the three rounds
of the West. And look, I mean, what's so troubling
for the MAVs is you know Game two when the
Celtics didn't shoot it well, Hayden was what six for
twenty two, Dalen Brown with a flu of turnovers, the

(22:06):
MAVs not winning games, who was deadly and then last
night obviously the you know, the ending, it was a
roller coaster and you know, a really rough night for
Dallas to get off to the great start. And look,
the matt the building was electric last night in the
first quarter, and the Celtics then just shut it down.

(22:26):
I mean they just they brained all the noise and
energy out of that place with the way they just
so swiftly rased a double digit Dallas lead. And again,
like I said, I just you know, I'm obviously around
the MAVs way more than I'm around the Celtics. But
it's just impossible not to be impressed with this team.

(22:48):
And really, you look at it and this is something
I did talk about at length on the podcast that'll
drop in the morning with Sean Grandy, the Celtics radio
play by play voice, and it's you know, when you
look at history and you look at the kind of
teams that Boston has been all year long with the wins,
they've sacked up the point differential. You know, teams that

(23:11):
have been as good as the Celtics have been all season.
This is what they're supposed to do in the playoffs.
And it's crazy now to think these guys haven't lost
the game since May ninth and we're almost to June fifteenth.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Pretty crazy run, right, We go back to just the
three pointer to put the stat on a forty nine
more three point attempts in the series, twenty one more
makes than the Mavericks at this point.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
But I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Jason Tatum, in his comments earlier today, you know, spoke
to it directly. You know, someone asked, you know, hey,
you're going to be here historically ran off all these stats.
He goes, nobody's going to care because they're going to
tell us who we didn't beat anyway, so we just
have to do it next year. So he's already moved
on to twenty four to twenty five.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, that was a pretty good answer, and I think
it's a look, I think he knows what's coming because
the way the series, we don't know what's the game
for how it will play out, But we don't know
if the MAVs can get a win and drag this
thing back to Boston. But you would have to think,
based on the three games we've seen so far, I
think if you had Vegas oddsmakers on the line, they

(24:17):
would say that Jalen Brown is a favorite for Finals MVP.
And certainly if Brown wins Finals MVP over Tatum, there's
still gonna be plenty of narrative and noise that Jayson
Tatum's probably not gonna love. But look, these guys just
need to I mean, winning it all is such a
game changer in the NBA. You just win one championship

(24:40):
and it completely changes everything for the Stars. And now
we will you know, so many of us in the media,
and I have to include myself, we've been skeptical. And
you know, would the Celtics, would the championship or bust
pressure weigh on them too heavily? Would the fact that
they're Eastern Conference run, they weren't pushed. Would these things

(25:04):
hurt them? And now, if the Celtics can win one
more game, We're going to look completely different at this
team and talk about, you know, can they win two
in a row? Can they be the first team to
repeat since the Warriors, because we've had you know, this
will be six different champions in a span of six seasons,
So then it will all the chatter will change if

(25:24):
the Celtics can manufacture one more win.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now, speaking of Boston, to get away from the game
and get to the NBA coaching carousel, it's all about.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
What do the Lakers do next?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
But you have a bit in your latest on Substack
that there's a big curveball coming from the title team
on the brink, Boston Celtics.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
What's going on there?

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, so I've been told that the Clippers, obviously they
just gave Tylu a five year, seventy million dollar extensions.
From what I'm told, the Clippers have pretty strong interest
in Jeff Van Gundy, who's completing his first season with
the Celtics. He's been a special advisor in bath Law operations.
So basically, you any time you see Brad Stevens. These days,

(26:05):
Jeff Van Gundy's with him, So of course this is
the first finals in seventeen years that Jeff Van Gundy
isn't calling for ABC ESPN, but he's here. He has
the presence because he's with the Celtics every day. And
the Celtics they're going to have at least one opening
on their bench because of course Charles Lee, lead assistant

(26:28):
to Joe Mizzoula, he's about to leave them after the
finals so he can take over as head coach of
the Charlotte Hornets. He's kind of had to juggle both
of these roles here through the playoffs because even though
he got the Hornets job, the arrangement was that he
would continue to stay with the Celtics through the end
of the playoffs. So there was there has been some

(26:49):
buzz and coaching circles that with the Celtics sound Van
Gundy out about maybe moving to Joe Missoula's staff. But
what I'm hearing now is that the Clippers are determined
if they can pull it off to bring Van Gundy
onto ty Louis bat and if they're successful, if they

(27:09):
can convinced Ben Gundy to do it. It would be
his return to full time NBA coaching for the first
time since you know he hasn't He last coached the
Rockets and O six oh seven, and then he was
a broadcaster for the next sixteen seasons, and he did
do some coaching with Team USA from twenty seventeen through

(27:30):
twenty twenty one, but full time NBA coaching. We have
not seen Jeff bang Gundy in that kind of role
for a long long time, So quite a move. It
would be. You know, the Clippers, you know, they're moving
into a new building next season, and obviously I think,
you know, if if the Clippers were successful in bringing
Jeff bang Gundy onto ty Leu's staff, that's a really

(27:52):
strong hire.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I have to make the obvious question off of that
is does he have any trainers that he gets to
bring with him to massage these through the year? I mean,
and be able to get Kawhi and all these guys
actually to the finish line that that's that would be
some special magic for Jeff fan Gundhi there.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I'm glad you threw on the explainer because the first
when you at first I was like you totally went
over my head with the Oh no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, just just someone else in the training room. Mark,
that's all.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well, you know, I mean, Paul George is in Dallas.
I mean I can't get anywhere near him because the
countdown set is way far away from where I fit.
But yeah, he's uh, he's working in Dallas. So maybe
I don't know, maybe I need to track him down
and get his get his opinion on the situation.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
You can follow on Twitter at the Steinline. That is,
at the Steinline.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Check out the latest on Substack on the coaching carousel,
and the latest on the podcast as well. In advance
of Game four of the NBA Finals, Mark as always
appreciate your time enjoying the games tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
We'll talk to you good guys.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Check out.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Thanks Mark, there goes. You know, every time I hear
the name, I think, instead of me, they hired Charles Lee.
I'm a head coach. I just can't just think about that.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Every single time I hear his name, I can't think
of anything else but Appleton.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
But it is funny that in the back like they're
gonna lose him obviously, congratulations new new coach. But the
Van Gundy things kind of just been swirling in the background.
I think it's been mentioned, you know, on the show
by Mark and and and others, just that he's there
and then all of a sudden, well, now you add
this clipper wrinkles, like, well then now this escalated quickly.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, not just a new stadium, new arena
with a bunch of concerts and toilets.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, this will also get Jeff Van Gundy close to
the Lakers. We could take over that job because honestly.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Being out of the game, take him being out.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Here's the thing, and this is crazy being out of
the game as long as he's been out of the
game a long time, and I get it, but he's
still such a respected voice that if you're looking for
someone to come in that can handle the the egos
of Los Angeles and Lebron and ad like, if you're
gonna talk to JJ Reddick, talk to Jeff Van Gundy, Like, seriously,
if that's what you're gonna do. This is not like

(30:10):
JJ Reddick's gonna come in and say, Hey, we're gonna
do this, this, this, and I'm gonna set the NBA
on it's here. No, how are you gonna get the
guys to all play together? How are you gonna get
them to all buy in? Jeff Van Gundy has that cachet.
If you're gonna talk to Reddick, you may as well
talk to Jeff Fan Gundy.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Take your shot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
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Speaker 6 (30:34):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
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Speaker 1 (30:46):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
live from the tire rack dot Com Studios. Hey, coming
up at about fifteen minutes, do we have something coming
your way from Major League Baseball tonight?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Something you're gonna hear and go no, h, but it happened.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I love this story today, number one, because I was
thinking of the possibilities, but just thinking about how this
isn't This is a reason why I say, if you
don't like college football and how college sports are going.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Just wait five minutes and something's gonna change. Right.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
They're always going to find a way to get money
coming in, They're always going to find a way to
make more. Whatever they've made, they're gonna make more. If
it's not enough, they'll find a way to make more.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
The Big twelve, which is the one conference that you
would say might be in a little bit of trouble
uh compared to all the other conferences, because you know,
look the acc depending where they wind up going. But
the Big twelve lost a couple of big members in
Texas and Oklahoma. Uh, they're trying to find a way
to make some more money. They are exploring selling the

(31:52):
naming rights to the conference where it wouldn't be the
Doctor Pepper Big twelve. It would be the Pepper twelve.
Like there would be no Big. They would just replace
Big with whatever the sponsor is. It would be that twelve.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It would be the.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Best Buy twelve or the Target twelve like that would
be the name of the conference, and it would be
so incredible. It would be an incredible amount of money
for the conference. Now, first of all, the first thing
I thought was, Okay, I looked it up. There's a
company called Oceans. Now what they do is they exist
overseas and they find a way to put executives into

(32:30):
startups for different companies, so I want them to own
the rights. So the conference can be of course, Oceans twelve, right,
I mean that would be I can get well just
seeing Vincent Castle try to find his.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Way through the all the the lasers of that are
going across. Oh, that's awesome. It's also a movie that's
aged aged twelve, right.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
I mean it was hated at the beginning, but as
it's gotten away, people see the uh, see the kitsch
of it all and and accept. I saw a couple
of folks suggesting BUCkies, which just for the logo would
be great, you know, just like we celebrate wah wah.
You've got BUCkies where you can basically get everything.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I had to, including the brisket, saying we just.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Na that'll be the same. We have to say it
just like this too. You have to have pronunciation lessons
if you're gonna call it.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
They don't have in New Zealand, Jason, how do you
know they could have? Wal I've seen every episode.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Maybe, so that's that's your thing, now, Huh. If it's
in Bluey, it's in it's in author Okay, you can
cut back, dude.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I would love to go back to simpler times instead
of hey, let's skip over some weird stuff in this
movie or Bridgerton or whatever. Yeah, that's where I'm at
with the teenagers. So yeah, I'd give anything to go
back to Bluey or even like John Kruck was saying,
even the damn Kayu would be at her offense.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I didn't stop with you gotta draw a line at Kyu. Man,
you gotta draw a line.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
You just have a drinking game with drawn draw line
of Kyo. Are you having.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Murderous rage thoughts right now? Watch Kayu drink now. Pam
is the one with more. She's the one that said no,
no Kayu in this house?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Why not? And when Zoe was little, she was like,
why can't I watch Kyu? It looks fun.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Pam's like, no, we're not watching Kayu. All the kid
does is wine. You're not gonna be whining in this house.
It's like, okay, dude from the Street Fighter, we're not
watching Cayu. No, No, that's a street Fighter.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
That was Glass Joe. That's what you're thinking.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Uh, But look, this is something where anywhere, any time,
they're gonna find a way to make money if the
Big twelve sells a name to the conference, Like.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
How much money that's gonna be, like in the hundreds
of millions of dollars over a decade or something.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's gonna be like a ten
year billion dollar deal or something like. And then you'll
be able to people that buy the the jerseys at
the team stores or whatever. They could do like what
the Yankees are doing where you can go and pay
twelve bucks to have a patch put on your jersey
for their sponsor. But look, this is this is how

(35:10):
conferences wind up staying, staying aloud, staying staying you know, relevant,
and staying solvent. And you know this is just like
I said, every five minutes, something's gonna change. And my
other thought today after this happened was PAC twelve couldn't think.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Of this, Larry Scott.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
They couldn't think of this, couldn't say the Pack twelve
by getting Hey, we're gonna sell the naming rights to
the PAC twelve. It's gonna be the Staples twelve or
you know what, I don't know, you know, google the
Wolfgang base we I mean, here's the Wolfgang punctul They
could have found away man the Spago twelve. They could
have found a way. Hey, hey, guess what, we all

(35:46):
have money, nobody leave. But nope, the PAC twelve couldn't
do it. I really really, the PAC twelve couldn't think
of this.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
We've renamed our conference to the Disciples after twelve. I
gotta explained to let what the PAC twelve is. What's
about it that's gonna take that's gonna take a while. Well,
first they wire the pack.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Sick and he ruined everything.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
He's one of the greatest villains in history. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
There is You know, there is no story in which
Larry Scott is the hero. No, there's there's none there,
there's no maybe his own because he got a parachute
to catch. Yeah, well he's he's feeling pretty good.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
That is true. That is true when you get there
and his family think he's a hero. Yeah, but just
I mean, this is.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Another way you wouldn't think of that. Oh well yeah,
now here's a way to make a ton I like that.
This is what we're gonna do. Now, suddenly, that's how
we're gonna do it. So are you you name it?
The Yetis or the Blizzard? Not only are the Utah
hockey team. You also are the name on the conference.
Let's go seriously, I gotta look and see if there's
a company called the one two, three, four, five, six,
seven eight nine, ten eleven, so they could be the

(36:53):
one two, three, four, five, six, seven eight nine, ten
eleven twelve. How about you worry about getting as Wawa
under three four, five, seven eight nine, ten eleven twelve exit?
How about a Fresca exit swollen up? I should have
just done ten eleven twelve, but I decided to go
one through twelve of course. Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Coming up next, Danny Hurley speaks.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Was he telling us the truth what he said today
about why he didn't take the Lakers job?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Or was he giving us a load of crap? That's next, Fox,
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