July 23, 2024 • 36 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger have the details on two NFL teams who can’t promote practices or allow fans to attend. The guys debate if it was necessary for John Harbaugh to say Lamar Jackson will be the GOAT QB. And we debunk an Olympic myth!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Greetings and welcome in final hour of the program for
us tonight, a beautiful Monday here on Fox Sports Radio
Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
No Jason Smith tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Feeling a little under the weather, so Doctor Rich gave
him two said call him in the morning, and tagged
in for the evening.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
At Ornberger's where you find him on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The big voice guy told you six years in the
league plus Penn State. He's over at seven sixty down
in San Diego. Yeah, getting it going, talking all sorts
of pot and getting ready for Aztex football.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's our guy, Rich Horberger.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, we got some important times in San Diego.
Like many teams around Major League Baseball, trade deadline incoming,
got a six game.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Or really a nine game Roadie.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
They just played their first leg of that on the
road in Cleveland. They got the Nationals coming up next,
they'll be in Washington, And it's one of those make
or break moments, it feels like, because you're assuming a
team who's got a little momentum heading into the trade
deadline will be serious buyers. But if they somehow get
on a cold streak, does that change anything? And so
(01:40):
when you're middle of the road team and there are
many teams like it across baseball, everybody's got their fingers crossed.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
It's hoping things go well.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, these two weeks very interesting because of all those
are we in are we out decisions to be made
with the second wildcard certainly changes the math and the
dynamics of it all. You start looking at contracts that'll
be coming up in a year or two time in
terms of, you know, do we make the decision to
push all in or do we have time with the
(02:10):
young roster, all of those things many teams in that
same boat. The other thing being there's not with the
probably a dearth of sellers, like just outright, you know,
like the White Sox, here, take what we've got, make
us your best officer offer you can have it all
for only nineteen ninety five. But it's the the idea
(02:30):
that you know, you've got very few marquee players to
go around, so you've got schoolbl who won again tonight
for the Tigers, and then you look at Crochet of
the White Sox or your two prizes on the pitching market,
and then it's a bit diceier as you go down
the line trying to figure out who exactly is going
(02:52):
to be available in the marketplace. So fun theoreticals to come.
It's kind of like putting together those Dynasty momentum kind
of plays in the new EA Sports Game.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah. Yeah, well a lot of guesswork.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, and you're doing the same thing you're I mean, look,
I don't want to say it's the same thing. I
think it probably over simplifies what is a really difficult
puzzle to put together for any general manager, you know,
a baseball operations manager, president of base operations, what have you.
But if you're a fantasy football owner, if you are
(03:28):
a dynasty player on Madden or or NCAA twenty five,
which it seems like everybody's playing today.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like I need to get a copy just so I
don't get left out right, Yeah, even if it just
sits in the plastic.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You know, you know, the pressure then to a greater
or lesser extent of building a team, and to.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
What level of importance.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I will say this, when your job is on the line,
when you're in a performance based industry, you you tend to,
I don't know, turn the ten to the intena is up.
You know, you pull out all the stops, whatever cliche
you want to use. There are a lot of general managers,
and frankly a lot of managers in baseball right now
(04:12):
looking at the second half saying, well, shoot, if we
don't have success, I'm out of here. You know, I'm
down Today's and you know I mean and we know
this is true every year because it happens in the NFL,
as it does in the NBA, and it will in
Major League Baseball. They'll be probably a handful of managers
(04:34):
looking for jobs. They'll be a handful of gms who
are moving on, and there's gonna be another crew coming in.
And that's just the way these sports work.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Shuffle up and deal, next man up.
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Speaker 4 (05:01):
Once upon a time I did a lot of road.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Trips for training camps rich where I'd go facility of facility,
particularly when I was on the East Coast, because I
could do them as day trips to get home to
my young daughter, right and and my then wife, and
we sleep in my own bed, which was beautiful. And
if you went to Pittsburgh, they always had the setup
in La Trobe. Hey, just give us enough notice, you know,
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there's a dorm room waiting for you, and then you
go down to the commissary and you can eat alongside
the team and whatever else. Those are some of my
fondest memories of the early run of you know, Harmon
in Media, and I'm looking forward to you know, the
reports from the road. Jay Glazer will join us as
he does the Glaze across America thing that he does
(05:45):
each year.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But a story that caught my eye earlier. We got the.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Raiders looking at coast to Mesa, right, all right, great,
a couple of practices at Allegiance, those will be open
and ready for the public. But the ones in coast
to Mesa, Yeah, the Rams and Chargers said, not so fast,
my friend. They're coming near LA, so they're infringing on
the home territory of the Rams and Chargers. So there's
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restrictions that are in place based on this. They can't
advertise that they're going to be in LA, they can't
invite local media from the LA area. They can have
a couple of season ticket holders and VIPs in that
eighteen day stretch, but otherwise not so fast. Because seventy
five miles in all directions from the exterior corporate borders
(06:32):
of the city for which it holds a franchise, a
team can raise their hand and say you got nothing.
You can't market it in our territory. And that's what
the Chargers and the Rams have done in this respect.
You've got the Cowboys who were here and practicing long
before the Chargers and Rams returned to action here in LA.
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So they've got the exemption Saints also being told to
beat it. But they don't have the same national and
international brand recognition as the Raiders, who really sent out
a really cool box I don't know if you saw
that season ticket packaging that they sent their their ticket holders,
Rich it's like a little pirate treasure box kind of
thing going on there. But I like the fact that
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the Rams and Chargers told them to beat it.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, well, I think it's wholly appropriate if the bylaws
in the league support that decision. And it's not even
really the Rams and the Chargers. The rules are the rules, right,
so it's not like they even had to enact this.
They're not pleading the fifth It's not a right that
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you have to evoke. It's it's something that's just written
plainly in the rules. So there is going to be
no advertisement of the Raiders being there outside of broadcasters
like US or article writers or you know, commenting or
you know, are potentially posters from social media. That's the
other thing that I guess the league probably probably doesn't
(08:05):
realize is most people don't get their information on where
to find their team advertised at the team's website. R Like,
that's that's not where people are going for their news anymore.
They're going to social media. So where are the Raiders
going to be. They're going to be in LA. So
when things are geo tagged on meta platforms like Facebook
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or Instagram. It's going to say Coast to Mesa. It's
going to say Los Angeles, and people are going to
put two and two together. It's going to be very
easy to find them. And and like I just said,
we're discussing it. How many other radio shows nationally or
locally picked this up with fans of interest making their
way out to training camps this summer, and maybe the
Raiders is going to be one of their stops. We
(08:49):
talked about it earlier, me and Frostburg. I mean the
Saints are in the same boat.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yep. No, it's it right.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You try to try to expand and try to gain
little pockets of fandom, and certainly it's done really well
for the Cowboys down in Oxnard. I mean, that's a
veritable festival if you go to one of their training
camp sessions. Jerry Jones shaking hands, kissing babies, all that stuff.
He's got some court stuff to attend to before he
gets to camp this time around. Rich, But you've been
(09:19):
able to monetize it and have a little bit of
an brand extension. Now the Raiders are here in full effect. Still, right,
you drive up, up and down the fifteen and go there.
And you can still catch two of their practices at
Allegiant Stadium. But you have the Raiders Giant store that's
still part of Universal City Walk. You literally walk into
(09:41):
a Giant Raider helmet right at the Raider image and
you can go get jerseys and pretty much anything you
want rich with a Raider logo on it. It's there
for you in LA. So they still have their marketability,
but Chargers and Rams will be damned if they're gonna
help them.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Yeah, I and nor should they. And that's the point. Look,
the Charges and.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Rams have enough problems attracting people to root for them
in their own city. I mean every time a big brand,
you know, we just named three of them that are
tracking them in LA. Raiders, Saints, Cowboys, Uh, San Francisco. Shoot,
I mean the Patriots come to either or I should
(10:24):
say the same venue to play either of those two teams.
They bring a tremendous fan base. Steelers yeah, I mean, shoot,
I saw a Miami Dolphins game in LA where it
was a majority Dolphins fans. You're not getting much further
away than the the far corners of the United States.
(10:45):
In terms of geography from each other, and the home
teams aren't the draw in some of these cases, in
most of these cases we just mentioned, So I don't
blame them for not wanting advertisement for local fans to
be continued to continue to be divvied up, divvied up,
because you're fighting for the next generation a football fans,
(11:08):
that's it.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, you know, so, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I don't know how many Gardner Minshew fans there are
out there, but I do know there are gonna be
a lot of Antonio Pierce fans amongst the Raider crowd.
And if some of that Raider money is being spent
on the Rams and the Chargers, because well those those
are the teams that are directly in front of you,
maybe some of those fans say, you know what, I'm
gonna support the Compton kid. I'm gonna go out to
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Vegas and I'm gonna spend my hard earned cash on
taking a you know, I don't taking a ride and
paying the gas money, taking a short flight, paying the
fair and buying tickets over at the room by in
the desert, you know, instead of spending my money at
so far.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, the death star of the Rumba. I like that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, either way, they're cleaning up just a fantastic facility.
It looks good, it looks sleek. I haven't gotten a
chance to take in a game there yet. Perhaps that's
on the docket for the fall, but yeah, it's just
just one of those things, all of the rules that
we talk about in the NFL, and here's one for
training camp because it is I mean, it's a big party, right.
(12:13):
I remember a lot of those going out to Bethlehem,
Pennsylvania with the Eagles up at Lehigh and you'd have
fifteen thousand people, or you'd go to Latrobe and there'd
be thirty thousand people at nine am and it's one
hundred and eighty five degrees in Latrobe at Saint Vincent College.
But they're they're lined up to get a glimpse of
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whomever the star is at the time. Yeah, you know,
that was the full Roethlisberger led squads that I was
witnessing there. So, I mean, it's it's really something that
people gravitate to. And I love the fact that you've
got them saying, you know, you used to have this market,
you left beat it, You're not coming back in even
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if it's for an eighteen day practice run, we're gonna
make life as hard as we can.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We're gonna hold up this rule because.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I mean, they could have waived it, could have said, hey,
you know what we are, what we are, but uh no,
I like that. I you know, as as one of
the promos that we have running a line that I
use rich was you know, like death. Pettiness knows no
tax bracket.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
No, it doesn't. Look You could be a I don't know,
somebody's living paycheck debit paycheck, bootstrapping it. Or you could
be a billionaire who's you know, sitting in his leared jet,
sneering at the window at your competition in the same
league that you know helps you turn the lights on
at your home stadium. Pettis pettiness. That's a that's an
(13:38):
accurate statement. It knows no tax bracket, and and there
are no boundaries, and and I and I do think
that this is a little petty, but also it's a rule.
And just like stepping out of bounds, you know, it's
it stops a play right there dead in its tracks,
or it should. Uh yeah, you're gonna host your training
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camp on somedy else's turf.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
You're you're not gonna be able to publicize it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna try to figure out a cool
font by which to put that on a T shirt.
And we're gonna become billionaires so that we can sneer
at people. You got the word sneering. Yeah, yeah, that
was good. I like that descriptive flank. No, it's fantastic
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Speaker 3 (16:26):
Happy birthday, Don Henley. I know Frostburg is not a
fan of the Eagles hbd, but there you go. Tomorrow
we get to celebrate all sorts of guns and roses
stuff with Slash's birth.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
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He's Rich Hornberger And for Jason Smith on Mike Harmen,
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on here this evening, John Harbaugh and the Baltimore Ravens.
You've got a two time MVP there in Lamar Jackson.
He's embroiled in a little bit of a lossuit.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I don't know much.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You saw this one with Troy Aikman and anybody else
who may have ever worn the number eight, saying, hey,
you're confusing things in the marketplace and.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I'm number eight. Oh good lord.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And so Aikman responded by offering to sit down and
broker things out over some eight beer. Yes, he's got
a beer that's been out for a couple of years,
supposed to be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It's regional, but it is eight spelled out.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And he goes, perhaps we can get Steve Young to
sit in and help arbitrate this. You know, another famous
number eight along the way. So just kind of, you know,
tongue in cheek of yeah, you're not inventing the number eight.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But Lamar's got that going for him.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's also got the reputation of well not being able
to necessarily finish the job.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Althose A.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Flowers didn't exactly help processes this past year, but the
coach really back in his guys, we get ready for camp.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
The vision for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And it's a vision.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
It's something you see it like, it's already happened. You
can see it like it's already been done. The victory
has already been won when you pour into a vision,
and the vision that we have together is a Lamar
Jackson is going to become and be known and be
recognized as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
That's the vision, all right.
Speaker 8 (18:24):
It's going to happen by Lamar his work ethic and
his brilliant talent, by all of us pouring into that
effort together as a team, teamwork, and by the grace
of God and God's goodwill.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
That's how it's going to happen. And I believe it
like we've already seen so.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
John Harbaugh, it's as if his body had been overtaken
by his brother two minute forty three second response when
he was asked about the criticisms coming from the media
and fans them over Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
This reminds me of that scene from a classic movie
that many people I'm sure haven't.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Seen these days called History of the World Part two.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Oh, let's go.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It was a mel Brooks movie, And all of a sudden,
Moses comes down from the moments and he goes I
have these fifteen fifteen commandments and then he drops one
of the tablets. He goes, damn it, ten ten commandments.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Okay, you can prophesize if you want. You could try
to predict the future. You could, I don't know, read
the was that book the Promise or whatever it is
where a lot of people believe if you see it,
if you believe.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
It, you will achieve it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Don't get me wrong. Belief is a very strong starting point.
If you don't believe you can do something, you won't be.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Able to its old.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you believe you can do something, or you don't
believe you can do something, you're right, you're.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And it's perfectly stated because every great journey has started
with the belief that a destination was achievable, and and
you know, some great journeys honestly fall short of their destination.
You know, there's a movie made about one of those
journeys of Paulla thirteen that was a failed mission, but
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they they did heroic things in an effort to seek
new information on a foreign object in our solar system,
like there's there's there's greatness that can be discovered on
your path toward a destination that you determined for yourselves.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
However, I will say this, however, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Because it goes back to you were talking about relationships
and whatever. I mean, there's Yeah, not everybody's destined to
go from age twenty to age eighty five together.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I mean doesn't mean you didn't have a lot of
great moments and fun and excitations and accomplishments along the way.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
No, and you got you gotta you got to enjoy
those those wins where they were the wins man.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, that you say it all the time. I
can't believe it fullheartedly. I think this.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think sometimes an under sometimes an maybe an unachievable
goal that's understated is the best way to go. Now,
I'm not saying unachievable, meaning like, is it impossible? Nothing
really is not, not until you're proven wrong. And so
is it impossible that when Lamar Jackson his career is over,
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we we look up collectively and we say, Wow, that's
the greatest football player who's ever Grace Scott's Green Earth.
I mean, maybe we will, maybe that'll be the collective refrain,
the same way we're lauding the goat Tom Brady today,
maybe one day it's gonna be Lamar Jackson. I'm not
saying it's impossible because I haven't seen I haven't seen
that ending to this story yet, But I will say this,
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at no point during Tom Brady's career did you ever
hear Bill Belichick talking.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
About it like that?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Right, because the work was never finished.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Job wasn't done, And it really does feel a like
insanely lofty expectations to place on a player who has
a lot to work on, you know, I mean, like
we all do in any aspect of anything that we're
trying to accomplish in our lives. Lamar Jackson, there's some
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serious flaws to his game.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
He's aware of them. I hope he's working on them.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I think the Ravens they have a window open right
now currently and they're looking to exploit it with his talents.
But I think less talk, more do is probably the
advice I would give to John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I think that's the larger thing, right, you know,
he's Frostburg guy. He just you know, in the air,
he just goes, why is this necessary? It's completely unnecessary?
Like I think everybody recognizes what a special talent you
have in Lamar Jackson. But to that point, there's going
to be noise in the outside if you don't win it.
That's the way it works. For the other thirty one teams,
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it's always why did you fall short? What happened? What's
next on the drawing board? And for the Ravens, they
shuffled up right. You changed out the offensive line a
little bit. You've got Flowers and Bateman are your two
wide receivers now, and Nelson Aguilar comes in. I don't
know how much that moves the needle. You brought in
Derrick Henry the other guys are now running backs for
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the Chargers that were there, but all in, you know,
are you gonna get a full season of health out
of Mark Andrews?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And whatever he gives you can Isaiah likely fill it in,
you know, at the tight end position, right, the favorite
position for Lamar Jackson, sure to a degree, But how
many games are you getting on Lamar Jackson? Once you
get past twelve? You're in bonus territory, or at least
that's the way it is seemed the last couple of years.
And that doesn't take anything away from how fantastic a
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player he is, But until you perform on the playoff.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Level, you're just gonna go.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And you're on the metal stand after this level of
time with Rogers and Peyton Manning for me, yeah, I
love you. In the regular season.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I don't think anybody is denying his talent. I don't
think anybody is saying that the Ravens can't win it
all with Lamar Jackson. Maybe there are certain people who
are saying.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That you like hot take nonsense sometimes Yeah, guys wearing
clown suits, suits and standing and talking on television, Joes.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
There's plenty. Look, I know this.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
I know that Lamar Jackson has been a liability in
certain pre postseason games.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I know that it is becoming a bit of an
issue that when Ravens teams that have been led by
Lamar Jackson, which, by the way, the reason why they're
in the post season is because of Lamar Jackson. But
I Digress have struggled in the postseason, so there's a
through line there. But this is a two time MVP.
This is a guy who has his entire career in
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front of him, unless shortened by injury. My expectations are
high too. Again, I just don't understand. It's what July
twenty second, So this statement, I believe is either a
day or two days old. Right now, Why on God's
green earth are we talking this way about Lamar Jackson.
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He's age what twenty seven, twenty eight? None of this
is necessary. Again, it's not just because it was the
way that it created. Again, inarguably the greatest football player
who's ever played the game, or very least close to
the top of that damn list, Tom Brady Belichick never
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spoke about him this way, and it's because the work's
never done. It just it makes it sound like this
is predetermined like and when things are predetermined oftentimes it
feels like, well, it's outside of our control anyway, So
why bother with anything? I don't like that messaging from
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John Harbaugh. And by the way, this is a head
coach that I desperately respect. I think he's a wonderful coach.
I think he's done great things with this team and
throughout his time his tenure has reinvented this team. He's
been incredible. But this was too much. I don't understand
that why it was necessary. I don't think it was
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And I'm sure at some point in the season, inevitably
when the Ravens are having struggles.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
People are going to replay.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
This sound and they're going to be like, hey, I
guess he called this wrong. And it's just like you're
setting yourself up to have the sound clip played back
on local radio or to have national or local media
types revisiting the quote at some point in the season
when Lamar Jackson struggling or injured.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, you look at the speaking into existence went a
little bit of LeVar Ball in this process. I see
it out on the horizon. I see it in the distance.
We've got plenty of magicians and you know, do the
old Karnac skit from Johnny.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Carson from way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I understand it to a degree, but just answer the
question right in terms of the criticisms and where you
need improvement for twenty twenty four, that could have been
the forty three seconds of it instead of two minutes
and forty three filibustering about this this grand path that
is you've seen in the stars, that you've seen when
(27:50):
you made yourself a cup of tea and look down
in the bottom of the tea leaves, I mean all
of those kind of things.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Rich, It's just curious.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But for Harball, you know, we talk about consistent and
see in sports, which is a very rare commodity in
the National Football League, what do you say six to
eight franchises that you say generally year to year you
have a pretty good idea of the direction they're pulling in.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's not it anything else.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's say, all right, what did they do in the offseason,
how does it differ from the year before, and can
they get past whatever futility coaching player, Roster depp whatever
of the past. You know, Harbaugh and the Ravens, and
he had his moments right before before Lamar took over
where it looked like it might have started to get
dicey for him. But you've got very few guys that
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have had the longevity and consistency. I don't know what
was what was the attempt here other than you're kind
of like in the pulpit a degree and preaching about
the would be greatness of Lamar Jackson to a congregation
there in Baltimore and globally, Hey recognize what he's done. No, No,
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there's still a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
This is definitely more of a page out of his
brother's book. So, Jim Harbaugh, what do we know about him? Well,
we know two things. One he's a great coach, and
two he's had more success at the college level than
he has had at the NFL level. Now, I'm not
(29:20):
saying it can't work at the NFL level. Maybe he's evolved.
But the messaging when he was at USD or Stanford
or Michigan after his stint with the forty nine ers,
it definitely worked. I would argue better than it did
when he was with the forty nine ers because I've
spoke to some of those players.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
And toward the end of his tenure, he had a
mutiny on his hands.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He had a lot of worn out veterans who didn't
like the messaging anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
They didn't like the raw raw blow smoke.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
You're working us too hard, you're treating us like college
kids at the professional level. Look, we've got families too,
we got mortgages too, We've got tax returns and you know,
financial advisors and homes in different states. Like we've got
small businesses that we run in certain cases, production companies
(30:12):
in certain cases. Now, I mean, there's a lot of
money going around these locker rooms these days, and so
to have somebody at that pulpit talking like this right
like like you're above it all.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
You know what I mean? It doesn't work at this level.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
You got to meet people where they are and you've
got to understand that, you know, you aren't the master
of all of these players destiny. A lot of it
it isn't predetermined. A lot of it comes down to
a lot of effort that these guys put into it.
And all you're doing to Lamar Jackson stating all of
these you know, so called facts about what we're going
(30:51):
to do when his career is over, is putting an
undue amount of pressure on this season for him where
he's got to follow up an envy Pe season.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So I mean, thanks, coach, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I would have rather he just cited the Impossible Dream
from Man of La Mancha with Richard Kiley and been
done with it. Dream the impossible dream, to fight the
unbeatable foe, to bear with unbearable sorrow, to run with
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Speaker 4 (31:32):
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Speaker 4 (31:41):
Welcome back in.
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Swollen Dome, and of course at Fox Sports Radio. Hey Rich,
did you know that tomorrow Mike Trout is scheduled to
start a rehab assignment for the Salt Lake Bees.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
It did not know that?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah, most people did not. I really.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It was popped up on my radar at one point
last week saying wishing, wanting, hoping. We haven't had any updates,
but maybe there's talk post All Star break. No, he's
actually gonna start a short rehab assignment and they're saying
he could be back with the Big League squad by
the end of the week.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I'll tell you what, Mike Trout is such a confounding
superstar because for I mean, look, he is an incredible
baseball player. Who knows maybe one day he'll be a
Hall of Fame level superstar. He's he's a tremendous baseball player,
That's all I know. But he he never transcended for
(33:01):
two reasons. One, obviously, because of the dearth of playoffs
experience over the course of his career playing for the Angels,
and the market size and all those things, never really
transition to a Yankees.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Or or in LA or you know, what have you.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
But besides all that, also he's a guy who kind
of almost like if you want to compare him across
a sport to another pro in like a Kawhi Leonard way,
even though Kawhi has had more postseason success and certainly
more final success in his sport, has done everything he's
ken to steer his career away from the limelight. That's
(33:42):
the reason why I say there's a big difference between
a great and a star. Mike Trout is a great, uh,
Kawhi Leonard is great. Tim Duncan is a great they're
not stars. Stars. They want the smoke, they want the hype,
they want the glitz and the glamour.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
They want it all. You know, Lebron James is a star.
Tiger Woods is a star.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It was undeniable, and they did all the things that
are required of a star. They were ambassadors for their games.
You know, Mike Trout was never the ambassador major League.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Baseball was looking for him to be.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
And it's not shocking that not a lot of people
are aware that he's coming back off of injury.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, a guy who's still I think by the numbers,
you know, one of the greatest trajectories ever, probably still
finds his way into the Hall of Fame with the
regular season accolades. See the theme here, it's regular season
celebration hour on the program. But the idea that he
was supposed to be that, you know, looking at those
Mantle numbers and such, and then his body breaks down
(34:48):
and now you're starting to rehab assignment to where, well,
where the road ends, I don't know, but maybe Ardy
Marino will get a couple extra butts and seats once
he's there. I wanted to end with this one though,
because we're debunking. Uh, you know a myth going into
the Olympics. Olympic diver Tom Daily, you know, British diver
and some others I have shown off on the cardboard
(35:11):
beds in the Olympic village to say, well you could
see it's cardboard and it's a box. But then they're
doing flips and all sorts of acrobatics to say these
are in fact nocturnal activity sex worthy beds.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, Well everybody was afraid that that wasn't going to
be available.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Right we heard about the collapsible cardboard beds of Olympics pass.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
It seems that they've reinforced. Look, they got powerlifters out there.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
And and they've got they've got large, heavy, stately men
and women who are you know, pursuing athletic endeavors and
maybe some other endeavors as well.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Well, that's it, because event organizers did provide three hundred thousand,
uh such items for those other activities besides sleeping.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Well listen, much less like uh much like the Summer Olympics.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
We're gonna have to wrap it up here.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Nicely done at Hornberger where you find him in the
Twitter verse.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I want to see the sheet of paper in front
of you, whether that was written down. Sorry, that's completely
extemporaneous thought process.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
But yeah, this was one of the big ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And now you know, all biodegradable and and away the
bed goes and you just clap hands like a Vegas
blackjack dealer and be done with it.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So there you have it.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But everybody was showing, Hey here, I'm been doing my
resistance band workout here.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm gonna do some flips like I'm a gymnast.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Sure like hey, some extra special activities to be had
for sure, Rich, thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You got it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Voice back tomorrow, bedbou
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
No Jason Smith tonight.
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
The big voice guy told you six years in the
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in San Diego. Yeah, getting it going, talking all sorts
of pot and getting ready for Aztex football.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's our guy, Rich Horberger.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, we got some important times in San Diego.
Like many teams around Major League Baseball, trade deadline incoming,
got a six game.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Or really a nine game Roadie.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
They just played their first leg of that on the
road in Cleveland. They got the Nationals coming up next,
they'll be in Washington, And it's one of those make
or break moments, it feels like, because you're assuming a
team who's got a little momentum heading into the trade
deadline will be serious buyers. But if they somehow get
on a cold streak, does that change anything? And so
(01:40):
when you're middle of the road team and there are
many teams like it across baseball, everybody's got their fingers crossed.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
It's hoping things go well.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, these two weeks very interesting because of all those
are we in are we out decisions to be made
with the second wildcard certainly changes the math and the
dynamics of it all. You start looking at contracts that'll
be coming up in a year or two time in
terms of, you know, do we make the decision to
push all in or do we have time with the
(02:10):
young roster, all of those things many teams in that
same boat. The other thing being there's not with the
probably a dearth of sellers, like just outright, you know,
like the White Sox, here, take what we've got, make
us your best officer offer you can have it all
for only nineteen ninety five. But it's the the idea
(02:30):
that you know, you've got very few marquee players to
go around, so you've got schoolbl who won again tonight
for the Tigers, and then you look at Crochet of
the White Sox or your two prizes on the pitching market,
and then it's a bit diceier as you go down
the line trying to figure out who exactly is going
(02:52):
to be available in the marketplace. So fun theoreticals to come.
It's kind of like putting together those Dynasty momentum kind
of plays in the new EA Sports Game.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah. Yeah, well a lot of guesswork.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, and you're doing the same thing you're I mean, look,
I don't want to say it's the same thing. I
think it probably over simplifies what is a really difficult
puzzle to put together for any general manager, you know,
a baseball operations manager, president of base operations, what have you.
But if you're a fantasy football owner, if you are
(03:28):
a dynasty player on Madden or or NCAA twenty five,
which it seems like everybody's playing today.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like I need to get a copy just so I
don't get left out right, Yeah, even if it just
sits in the plastic.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You know, you know, the pressure then to a greater
or lesser extent of building a team, and to.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
What level of importance.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I will say this, when your job is on the line,
when you're in a performance based industry, you you tend to,
I don't know, turn the ten to the intena is up.
You know, you pull out all the stops, whatever cliche
you want to use. There are a lot of general managers,
and frankly a lot of managers in baseball right now
(04:12):
looking at the second half saying, well, shoot, if we
don't have success, I'm out of here. You know, I'm
down Today's and you know I mean and we know
this is true every year because it happens in the NFL,
as it does in the NBA, and it will in
Major League Baseball. They'll be probably a handful of managers
(04:34):
looking for jobs. They'll be a handful of gms who
are moving on, and there's gonna be another crew coming in.
And that's just the way these sports work.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Shuffle up and deal, next man up.
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Speaker 4 (05:01):
Once upon a time I did a lot of road.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Trips for training camps rich where I'd go facility of facility,
particularly when I was on the East Coast, because I
could do them as day trips to get home to
my young daughter, right and and my then wife, and
we sleep in my own bed, which was beautiful. And
if you went to Pittsburgh, they always had the setup
in La Trobe. Hey, just give us enough notice, you know,
(05:24):
there's a dorm room waiting for you, and then you
go down to the commissary and you can eat alongside
the team and whatever else. Those are some of my
fondest memories of the early run of you know, Harmon
in Media, and I'm looking forward to you know, the
reports from the road. Jay Glazer will join us as
he does the Glaze across America thing that he does
(05:45):
each year.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But a story that caught my eye earlier. We got the.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Raiders looking at coast to Mesa, right, all right, great,
a couple of practices at Allegiance, those will be open
and ready for the public. But the ones in coast
to Mesa, Yeah, the Rams and Chargers said, not so fast,
my friend. They're coming near LA, so they're infringing on
the home territory of the Rams and Chargers. So there's
(06:10):
restrictions that are in place based on this. They can't
advertise that they're going to be in LA, they can't
invite local media from the LA area. They can have
a couple of season ticket holders and VIPs in that
eighteen day stretch, but otherwise not so fast. Because seventy
five miles in all directions from the exterior corporate borders
(06:32):
of the city for which it holds a franchise, a
team can raise their hand and say you got nothing.
You can't market it in our territory. And that's what
the Chargers and the Rams have done in this respect.
You've got the Cowboys who were here and practicing long
before the Chargers and Rams returned to action here in LA.
(06:57):
So they've got the exemption Saints also being told to
beat it. But they don't have the same national and
international brand recognition as the Raiders, who really sent out
a really cool box I don't know if you saw
that season ticket packaging that they sent their their ticket holders,
Rich it's like a little pirate treasure box kind of
thing going on there. But I like the fact that
(07:20):
the Rams and Chargers told them to beat it.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, well, I think it's wholly appropriate if the bylaws
in the league support that decision. And it's not even
really the Rams and the Chargers. The rules are the rules, right,
so it's not like they even had to enact this.
They're not pleading the fifth It's not a right that
(07:43):
you have to evoke. It's it's something that's just written
plainly in the rules. So there is going to be
no advertisement of the Raiders being there outside of broadcasters
like US or article writers or you know, commenting or
you know, are potentially posters from social media. That's the
other thing that I guess the league probably probably doesn't
(08:05):
realize is most people don't get their information on where
to find their team advertised at the team's website. R Like,
that's that's not where people are going for their news anymore.
They're going to social media. So where are the Raiders
going to be. They're going to be in LA. So
when things are geo tagged on meta platforms like Facebook
(08:27):
or Instagram. It's going to say Coast to Mesa. It's
going to say Los Angeles, and people are going to
put two and two together. It's going to be very
easy to find them. And and like I just said,
we're discussing it. How many other radio shows nationally or
locally picked this up with fans of interest making their
way out to training camps this summer, and maybe the
Raiders is going to be one of their stops. We
(08:49):
talked about it earlier, me and Frostburg. I mean the
Saints are in the same boat.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yep. No, it's it right.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You try to try to expand and try to gain
little pockets of fandom, and certainly it's done really well
for the Cowboys down in Oxnard. I mean, that's a
veritable festival if you go to one of their training
camp sessions. Jerry Jones shaking hands, kissing babies, all that stuff.
He's got some court stuff to attend to before he
gets to camp this time around. Rich, But you've been
(09:19):
able to monetize it and have a little bit of
an brand extension. Now the Raiders are here in full effect. Still, right,
you drive up, up and down the fifteen and go there.
And you can still catch two of their practices at
Allegiant Stadium. But you have the Raiders Giant store that's
still part of Universal City Walk. You literally walk into
(09:41):
a Giant Raider helmet right at the Raider image and
you can go get jerseys and pretty much anything you
want rich with a Raider logo on it. It's there
for you in LA. So they still have their marketability,
but Chargers and Rams will be damned if they're gonna
help them.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Yeah, I and nor should they. And that's the point. Look,
the Charges and.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Rams have enough problems attracting people to root for them
in their own city. I mean every time a big brand,
you know, we just named three of them that are
tracking them in LA. Raiders, Saints, Cowboys, Uh, San Francisco. Shoot,
I mean the Patriots come to either or I should
(10:24):
say the same venue to play either of those two teams.
They bring a tremendous fan base. Steelers yeah, I mean, shoot,
I saw a Miami Dolphins game in LA where it
was a majority Dolphins fans. You're not getting much further
away than the the far corners of the United States.
(10:45):
In terms of geography from each other, and the home
teams aren't the draw in some of these cases, in
most of these cases we just mentioned, So I don't
blame them for not wanting advertisement for local fans to
be continued to continue to be divvied up, divvied up,
because you're fighting for the next generation a football fans,
(11:08):
that's it.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, you know, so, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I don't know how many Gardner Minshew fans there are
out there, but I do know there are gonna be
a lot of Antonio Pierce fans amongst the Raider crowd.
And if some of that Raider money is being spent
on the Rams and the Chargers, because well those those
are the teams that are directly in front of you,
maybe some of those fans say, you know what, I'm
gonna support the Compton kid. I'm gonna go out to
(11:33):
Vegas and I'm gonna spend my hard earned cash on
taking a you know, I don't taking a ride and
paying the gas money, taking a short flight, paying the
fair and buying tickets over at the room by in
the desert, you know, instead of spending my money at
so far.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, the death star of the Rumba. I like that.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, either way, they're cleaning up just a fantastic facility.
It looks good, it looks sleek. I haven't gotten a
chance to take in a game there yet. Perhaps that's
on the docket for the fall, but yeah, it's just
just one of those things, all of the rules that
we talk about in the NFL, and here's one for
training camp because it is I mean, it's a big party, right.
(12:13):
I remember a lot of those going out to Bethlehem,
Pennsylvania with the Eagles up at Lehigh and you'd have
fifteen thousand people, or you'd go to Latrobe and there'd
be thirty thousand people at nine am and it's one
hundred and eighty five degrees in Latrobe at Saint Vincent College.
But they're they're lined up to get a glimpse of
(12:34):
whomever the star is at the time. Yeah, you know,
that was the full Roethlisberger led squads that I was
witnessing there. So, I mean, it's it's really something that
people gravitate to. And I love the fact that you've
got them saying, you know, you used to have this market,
you left beat it, You're not coming back in even
(12:55):
if it's for an eighteen day practice run, we're gonna
make life as hard as we can.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We're gonna hold up this rule because.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I mean, they could have waived it, could have said, hey,
you know what we are, what we are, but uh no,
I like that. I you know, as as one of
the promos that we have running a line that I
use rich was you know, like death. Pettiness knows no
tax bracket.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
No, it doesn't. Look You could be a I don't know,
somebody's living paycheck debit paycheck, bootstrapping it. Or you could
be a billionaire who's you know, sitting in his leared jet,
sneering at the window at your competition in the same
league that you know helps you turn the lights on
at your home stadium. Pettis pettiness. That's a that's an
(13:38):
accurate statement. It knows no tax bracket, and and there
are no boundaries, and and I and I do think
that this is a little petty, but also it's a rule.
And just like stepping out of bounds, you know, it's
it stops a play right there dead in its tracks,
or it should. Uh yeah, you're gonna host your training
(13:59):
camp on somedy else's turf.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
You're you're not gonna be able to publicize it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna try to figure out a cool
font by which to put that on a T shirt.
And we're gonna become billionaires so that we can sneer
at people. You got the word sneering. Yeah, yeah, that
was good. I like that descriptive flank. No, it's fantastic
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And that's why we have a brand new podcast called
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Yeah, you blubber list Jam and me. Well, you know
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Speaker 3 (16:26):
Happy birthday, Don Henley. I know Frostburg is not a
fan of the Eagles hbd, but there you go. Tomorrow
we get to celebrate all sorts of guns and roses
stuff with Slash's birth.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They get thoughts to him and his family.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
He's Rich Hornberger And for Jason Smith on Mike Harmen,
Jason Smith, yow with me Mike Carmen live from the
Tyraq dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios as we roll
on here this evening, John Harbaugh and the Baltimore Ravens.
You've got a two time MVP there in Lamar Jackson.
He's embroiled in a little bit of a lossuit.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I don't know much.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You saw this one with Troy Aikman and anybody else
who may have ever worn the number eight, saying, hey,
you're confusing things in the marketplace and.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I'm number eight. Oh good lord.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And so Aikman responded by offering to sit down and
broker things out over some eight beer. Yes, he's got
a beer that's been out for a couple of years,
supposed to be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It's regional, but it is eight spelled out.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And he goes, perhaps we can get Steve Young to
sit in and help arbitrate this. You know, another famous
number eight along the way. So just kind of, you know,
tongue in cheek of yeah, you're not inventing the number eight.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
But Lamar's got that going for him.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's also got the reputation of well not being able
to necessarily finish the job.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Althose A.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Flowers didn't exactly help processes this past year, but the
coach really back in his guys, we get ready for camp.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
The vision for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
And it's a vision.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
It's something you see it like, it's already happened. You
can see it like it's already been done. The victory
has already been won when you pour into a vision,
and the vision that we have together is a Lamar
Jackson is going to become and be known and be
recognized as the greatest quarterback ever to play in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
That's the vision, all right.
Speaker 8 (18:24):
It's going to happen by Lamar his work ethic and
his brilliant talent, by all of us pouring into that
effort together as a team, teamwork, and by the grace
of God and God's goodwill.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
That's how it's going to happen. And I believe it
like we've already seen so.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
John Harbaugh, it's as if his body had been overtaken
by his brother two minute forty three second response when
he was asked about the criticisms coming from the media
and fans them over Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
This reminds me of that scene from a classic movie
that many people I'm sure haven't.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Seen these days called History of the World Part two.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Oh, let's go.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It was a mel Brooks movie, And all of a sudden,
Moses comes down from the moments and he goes I
have these fifteen fifteen commandments and then he drops one
of the tablets. He goes, damn it, ten ten commandments.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Okay, you can prophesize if you want. You could try
to predict the future. You could, I don't know, read
the was that book the Promise or whatever it is
where a lot of people believe if you see it,
if you believe.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
It, you will achieve it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Don't get me wrong. Belief is a very strong starting point.
If you don't believe you can do something, you won't be.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Able to its old.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you believe you can do something, or you don't
believe you can do something, you're right, you're.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And it's perfectly stated because every great journey has started
with the belief that a destination was achievable, and and
you know, some great journeys honestly fall short of their destination.
You know, there's a movie made about one of those
journeys of Paulla thirteen that was a failed mission, but
(20:24):
they they did heroic things in an effort to seek
new information on a foreign object in our solar system,
like there's there's there's greatness that can be discovered on
your path toward a destination that you determined for yourselves.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
However, I will say this, however, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Because it goes back to you were talking about relationships
and whatever. I mean, there's Yeah, not everybody's destined to
go from age twenty to age eighty five together.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I mean doesn't mean you didn't have a lot of
great moments and fun and excitations and accomplishments along the way.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
No, and you got you gotta you got to enjoy
those those wins where they were the wins man.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, that you say it all the time. I
can't believe it fullheartedly. I think this.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think sometimes an under sometimes an maybe an unachievable
goal that's understated is the best way to go. Now,
I'm not saying unachievable, meaning like, is it impossible? Nothing
really is not, not until you're proven wrong. And so
is it impossible that when Lamar Jackson his career is over,
(21:39):
we we look up collectively and we say, Wow, that's
the greatest football player who's ever Grace Scott's Green Earth.
I mean, maybe we will, maybe that'll be the collective refrain,
the same way we're lauding the goat Tom Brady today,
maybe one day it's gonna be Lamar Jackson. I'm not
saying it's impossible because I haven't seen I haven't seen
that ending to this story yet, But I will say this,
(22:01):
at no point during Tom Brady's career did you ever
hear Bill Belichick talking.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
About it like that?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Right, because the work was never finished.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Job wasn't done, And it really does feel a like
insanely lofty expectations to place on a player who has
a lot to work on, you know, I mean, like
we all do in any aspect of anything that we're
trying to accomplish in our lives. Lamar Jackson, there's some
(22:33):
serious flaws to his game.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
He's aware of them. I hope he's working on them.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I think the Ravens they have a window open right
now currently and they're looking to exploit it with his talents.
But I think less talk, more do is probably the
advice I would give to John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I think that's the larger thing, right, you know,
he's Frostburg guy. He just you know, in the air,
he just goes, why is this necessary? It's completely unnecessary?
Like I think everybody recognizes what a special talent you
have in Lamar Jackson. But to that point, there's going
to be noise in the outside if you don't win it.
That's the way it works. For the other thirty one teams,
(23:13):
it's always why did you fall short? What happened? What's
next on the drawing board? And for the Ravens, they
shuffled up right. You changed out the offensive line a
little bit. You've got Flowers and Bateman are your two
wide receivers now, and Nelson Aguilar comes in. I don't
know how much that moves the needle. You brought in
Derrick Henry the other guys are now running backs for
(23:35):
the Chargers that were there, but all in, you know,
are you gonna get a full season of health out
of Mark Andrews?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And whatever he gives you can Isaiah likely fill it in,
you know, at the tight end position, right, the favorite
position for Lamar Jackson, sure to a degree, But how
many games are you getting on Lamar Jackson? Once you
get past twelve? You're in bonus territory, or at least
that's the way it is seemed the last couple of years.
And that doesn't take anything away from how fantastic a
(24:05):
player he is, But until you perform on the playoff.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Level, you're just gonna go.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And you're on the metal stand after this level of
time with Rogers and Peyton Manning for me, yeah, I
love you. In the regular season.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I don't think anybody is denying his talent. I don't
think anybody is saying that the Ravens can't win it
all with Lamar Jackson. Maybe there are certain people who
are saying.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That you like hot take nonsense sometimes Yeah, guys wearing
clown suits, suits and standing and talking on television, Joes.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
There's plenty. Look, I know this.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
I know that Lamar Jackson has been a liability in
certain pre postseason games.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I know that it is becoming a bit of an
issue that when Ravens teams that have been led by
Lamar Jackson, which, by the way, the reason why they're
in the post season is because of Lamar Jackson. But
I Digress have struggled in the postseason, so there's a
through line there. But this is a two time MVP.
This is a guy who has his entire career in
(25:13):
front of him, unless shortened by injury. My expectations are
high too. Again, I just don't understand. It's what July
twenty second, So this statement, I believe is either a
day or two days old. Right now, Why on God's
green earth are we talking this way about Lamar Jackson.
(25:34):
He's age what twenty seven, twenty eight? None of this
is necessary. Again, it's not just because it was the
way that it created. Again, inarguably the greatest football player
who's ever played the game, or very least close to
the top of that damn list, Tom Brady Belichick never
(25:57):
spoke about him this way, and it's because the work's
never done. It just it makes it sound like this
is predetermined like and when things are predetermined oftentimes it
feels like, well, it's outside of our control anyway, So
why bother with anything? I don't like that messaging from
(26:18):
John Harbaugh. And by the way, this is a head
coach that I desperately respect. I think he's a wonderful coach.
I think he's done great things with this team and
throughout his time his tenure has reinvented this team. He's
been incredible. But this was too much. I don't understand
that why it was necessary. I don't think it was
(26:40):
And I'm sure at some point in the season, inevitably
when the Ravens are having struggles.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
People are going to replay.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
This sound and they're going to be like, hey, I
guess he called this wrong. And it's just like you're
setting yourself up to have the sound clip played back
on local radio or to have national or local media
types revisiting the quote at some point in the season
when Lamar Jackson struggling or injured.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, you look at the speaking into existence went a
little bit of LeVar Ball in this process. I see
it out on the horizon. I see it in the distance.
We've got plenty of magicians and you know, do the
old Karnac skit from Johnny.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Carson from way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I understand it to a degree, but just answer the
question right in terms of the criticisms and where you
need improvement for twenty twenty four, that could have been
the forty three seconds of it instead of two minutes
and forty three filibustering about this this grand path that
is you've seen in the stars, that you've seen when
(27:50):
you made yourself a cup of tea and look down
in the bottom of the tea leaves, I mean all
of those kind of things.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Rich, It's just curious.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But for Harball, you know, we talk about consistent and
see in sports, which is a very rare commodity in
the National Football League, what do you say six to
eight franchises that you say generally year to year you
have a pretty good idea of the direction they're pulling in.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's not it anything else.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's say, all right, what did they do in the offseason,
how does it differ from the year before, and can
they get past whatever futility coaching player, Roster depp whatever
of the past. You know, Harbaugh and the Ravens, and
he had his moments right before before Lamar took over
where it looked like it might have started to get
dicey for him. But you've got very few guys that
(28:36):
have had the longevity and consistency. I don't know what
was what was the attempt here other than you're kind
of like in the pulpit a degree and preaching about
the would be greatness of Lamar Jackson to a congregation
there in Baltimore and globally, Hey recognize what he's done. No, No,
(28:57):
there's still a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
This is definitely more of a page out of his
brother's book. So, Jim Harbaugh, what do we know about him? Well,
we know two things. One he's a great coach, and
two he's had more success at the college level than
he has had at the NFL level. Now, I'm not
(29:20):
saying it can't work at the NFL level. Maybe he's evolved.
But the messaging when he was at USD or Stanford
or Michigan after his stint with the forty nine ers,
it definitely worked. I would argue better than it did
when he was with the forty nine ers because I've
spoke to some of those players.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
And toward the end of his tenure, he had a
mutiny on his hands.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He had a lot of worn out veterans who didn't
like the messaging anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
They didn't like the raw raw blow smoke.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
You're working us too hard, you're treating us like college
kids at the professional level. Look, we've got families too,
we got mortgages too, We've got tax returns and you know,
financial advisors and homes in different states. Like we've got
small businesses that we run in certain cases, production companies
(30:12):
in certain cases. Now, I mean, there's a lot of
money going around these locker rooms these days, and so
to have somebody at that pulpit talking like this right
like like you're above it all.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
You know what I mean? It doesn't work at this level.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
You got to meet people where they are and you've
got to understand that, you know, you aren't the master
of all of these players destiny. A lot of it
it isn't predetermined. A lot of it comes down to
a lot of effort that these guys put into it.
And all you're doing to Lamar Jackson stating all of
these you know, so called facts about what we're going
(30:51):
to do when his career is over, is putting an
undue amount of pressure on this season for him where
he's got to follow up an envy Pe season.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So I mean, thanks, coach, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I would have rather he just cited the Impossible Dream
from Man of La Mancha with Richard Kiley and been
done with it. Dream the impossible dream, to fight the
unbeatable foe, to bear with unbearable sorrow, to run with
a brave dare not go? Coming up next as we
continue here from the tirerac dot Com Studios, Rich Hornberger
Mike Harmon with you. You got the quietest return to
(31:25):
action by a would be legend ever and debunking it's
a keyword, debunking a myth in Paris.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
We'll do that next on Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 4 (31:41):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
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Swollen Dome, and of course at Fox Sports Radio. Hey Rich,
did you know that tomorrow Mike Trout is scheduled to
start a rehab assignment for the Salt Lake Bees.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
It did not know that?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah, most people did not. I really.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It was popped up on my radar at one point
last week saying wishing, wanting, hoping. We haven't had any updates,
but maybe there's talk post All Star break. No, he's
actually gonna start a short rehab assignment and they're saying
he could be back with the Big League squad by
the end of the week.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I'll tell you what, Mike Trout is such a confounding
superstar because for I mean, look, he is an incredible
baseball player. Who knows maybe one day he'll be a
Hall of Fame level superstar. He's he's a tremendous baseball player,
That's all I know. But he he never transcended for
(33:01):
two reasons. One, obviously, because of the dearth of playoffs
experience over the course of his career playing for the Angels,
and the market size and all those things, never really
transition to a Yankees.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Or or in LA or you know, what have you.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
But besides all that, also he's a guy who kind
of almost like if you want to compare him across
a sport to another pro in like a Kawhi Leonard way,
even though Kawhi has had more postseason success and certainly
more final success in his sport, has done everything he's
ken to steer his career away from the limelight. That's
(33:42):
the reason why I say there's a big difference between
a great and a star. Mike Trout is a great, uh,
Kawhi Leonard is great. Tim Duncan is a great they're
not stars. Stars. They want the smoke, they want the hype,
they want the glitz and the glamour.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
They want it all. You know, Lebron James is a star.
Tiger Woods is a star.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It was undeniable, and they did all the things that
are required of a star. They were ambassadors for their games.
You know, Mike Trout was never the ambassador major League.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Baseball was looking for him to be.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
And it's not shocking that not a lot of people
are aware that he's coming back off of injury.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, a guy who's still I think by the numbers,
you know, one of the greatest trajectories ever, probably still
finds his way into the Hall of Fame with the
regular season accolades. See the theme here, it's regular season
celebration hour on the program. But the idea that he
was supposed to be that, you know, looking at those
Mantle numbers and such, and then his body breaks down
(34:48):
and now you're starting to rehab assignment to where, well,
where the road ends, I don't know, but maybe Ardy
Marino will get a couple extra butts and seats once
he's there. I wanted to end with this one though,
because we're debunking. Uh, you know a myth going into
the Olympics. Olympic diver Tom Daily, you know, British diver
and some others I have shown off on the cardboard
(35:11):
beds in the Olympic village to say, well you could
see it's cardboard and it's a box. But then they're
doing flips and all sorts of acrobatics to say these
are in fact nocturnal activity sex worthy beds.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, Well everybody was afraid that that wasn't going to
be available.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Right we heard about the collapsible cardboard beds of Olympics pass.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
It seems that they've reinforced. Look, they got powerlifters out there.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
And and they've got they've got large, heavy, stately men
and women who are you know, pursuing athletic endeavors and
maybe some other endeavors as well.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Well, that's it, because event organizers did provide three hundred thousand,
uh such items for those other activities besides sleeping.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Well listen, much less like uh much like the Summer Olympics.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
We're gonna have to wrap it up here.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Nicely done at Hornberger where you find him in the
Twitter verse.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I want to see the sheet of paper in front
of you, whether that was written down. Sorry, that's completely
extemporaneous thought process.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
But yeah, this was one of the big ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And now you know, all biodegradable and and away the
bed goes and you just clap hands like a Vegas
blackjack dealer and be done with it.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So there you have it.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But everybody was showing, Hey here, I'm been doing my
resistance band workout here.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm gonna do some flips like I'm a gymnast.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Sure like hey, some extra special activities to be had
for sure, Rich, thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You got it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Voice back tomorrow, bedbou
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