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Whatever spells were conjured against him in the UK continue
to affect his voice. Therefore we get dot Rich Hornberger
in his stead. The Doctor has joined us for four
hours of Merryman.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
How are you doing, brother well Man?
Speaker 6 (01:06):
I gotta tell you it's becoming like a weekly event.
Jumping on the show with you guys. More times it
seems with you, Mikey than with your your better half,
or I guess maybe your sleepier half. Today, hopefully he's
getting some RESTful rest and getting that voice straightened up.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
But I'm glad to be back, Bud.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, you know, I I skipped for a concert. He
brought home the play.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Oh dude, how was the Stones?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Dude? It was absurd.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I got a couple of songs off the new album
that I really had hoped to hear, and I heard
whispers there were some things floating about on the innerwebs
and maybe you get this. There's a song off their
new album that includes Paul McCartney on the base. Oh wow,
And so they obviously know McCartney. But they played that
and they hadn't played that on the tour at all.
So it was like it was a gift to me
(01:54):
and my younger daughter because Mick Curse is a bunch
of it. It's called you know, uh yeah, it's it's
just it's called something. Well, I don't want to I
don't want to screw it up. You know why you
bite my head off? I believe is the actual name
of the song. Uh, but you know, he gets he
gets into it and gets after it.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It was a nice drive up to Santa Clara.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It was a full road trip.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Keep forgetting that you didn't do. Uh you didn't. It
wasn't the Sofi leg of the tour. It was Santa Clara.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So my daughter had had a couple of soccer games
off in Virginia for nationals, so she missed the Sofi.
But when tickets were on sales, she's like, hey, that
following week, you know, we we could probably get up
to Santa Clara. I'm like, sure, let's make this as
difficult as we can.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
My older daughter had a day off from work, so
she joined us. We we drove up. We enjoyed the show.
What twenty one twenty two songs long, a couple of surprises,
gimme shelter with the backup singer who was just absurdly fantastic.
Geriatric crowd like, it's starting to skew a lot older now.
(03:04):
The last time I saw him, it was a nice mix,
healthy mix here, at least where I was seated. A
lot more folks that just sat on their asses and
didn't have a lot of juice to them, particularly with
the new songs, which which kind of stunk because they're lively,
kind of rocking things. But that's okay. You know, it
was a fun time. I appreciate you sitting in for me.
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Veritable mortgage board of topics and conversation pieces for us
today rich and the first one comes straight from the
business this World as Warner Brothers. You know, TNT matches
all the paperwork for that one point eight billion dollars
per year offer from Amazon Prime Video. We've been talking
(04:12):
about this quite a bit, everybody lamenting what will happen
to the b blocks that are scripted for them by
what Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neill say, because I think
that they were the most vocal people about the potential
loss of inside the NBA, where people in our business
who just turned to what did that guy say? Cool,
there's two segments. Let's go so that that turns on
(04:35):
a dime quote. Our matching paperwork was submitted to the league.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Today.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We look forward to the NBA executing our new contract
and I say, well, maybe right, eleven year media deal,
seventy six billion dollar Disney, ESPN, ABC, NBC, and Amazon
Prime Video. So like all of that fun and excitement
when we talk about the largest of those numbers, and
(05:01):
so Warner Brothers Discovery where we had those quotes from leadership, Hey,
we don't need the NBA whatever I'm wondering, I'll allowed
the business part of it rich. If this isn't just
a brilliant way of all right, now, we'll go into
the fight and if the league really wants the new
blood to take over and get us out of our
contract that we've had since what nineteen eighty four?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, games being on a TNT, I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Think since eighty eight or eighty nine or thereabouts, that
this becomes a how about you give us a couple
hundred million dollars to go away it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Uh yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It's kind of a little bit of like hey, collar bluff,
stick around and we'll entertain you. Or you know, this
is exactly the way you portrayed it. It's just like, hey,
we want to go on away present. Since we've had this,
you know, nearing forty year deal now together, we.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Want something on the backside.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
So I'm curious to myself if this is for real
or if this is just a front so that they
can get a going away present. But either way, I
think it's smart business because the NBA, it's not like
it's not like they're going away in terms of they're
not turning any fans away at the door. The viewership
numbers they haven't been wonderful, But when you look at
(06:20):
all viewership numbers across all platforms, we have such a
split audience that the one thing that rates that advertisers
continue to hawk down and pay massive numbers to or
i should say advertisers companies who want to advertiser will
pay massive money towards those networks.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
That carry live sports. That's that's where that's where.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We're at in culture because look, I listen to podcasts
on the free iHeartRadio app, right, and I can skip
through commercials because I pay for a premium subscription.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I don't have to listen to any of them, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Like people buy ad free Netflix people, well bye, they
will up their Hulu to Hulu plus.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right, they're paid the premium or you get the advertising.
Either way, we're getting into your pocket exactly right.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And that's the and see, that's the tradeoff. So either
the network or streaming platform is going to get your
dollars or the advertisers are going to get themselves in
front of you. But the advertisers, they really have no
way of knowing because all that information is proprietary when
it comes to the stream. Now, I'm sure some of
that information is shared with certain advertisers or certain networks
(07:33):
or certain leagues. Maybe they're friends amongst foes that will
share some of that information, and maybe it's the best
kept secret or the or the secret things that certain
people will say out loud. But I don't want to
get too far in the weeds because I feel like
we start talking over people's heads when we start talking
shop and broadcasting all that stuff. Basically what this boils
(07:54):
down to is the inside the NBA program, which has
been at over the last decade plus with Charles and
Shaq and Kenny and Ernie is going to be taken
from us unless the NBA honors this request and this
this matched offer is all they were looking for, and
(08:16):
they keep rolling with T and T.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I keep going back to, you know again, how much
people really will miss it? Like shows go on and
off the air all the time, right, you have a
good run, whether it's curb your enthusiasm and you tap
out when people are still thirsty for more at least
for the moment, or Seinfeld or some of these things
where you just say, you know what we've done, and
(08:40):
we don't want the quality to decrease, so we'll leave.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
But hang on, But hang on because I do want
to jump in and say something about that. I want
to hear your reaction, because I know you are kind
of a culture vulture too, like you care about things
like I do. Like there are a lot of people
myself included, who didn't love the.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Way Seinfeld ended.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
There are a lot of people myself included until later
in life when I revisited it that didn't love the
way the Sopranos ended, So I.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Agree with you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Leave them on the hook, leave them wanting more, you know,
don't don't let anybody you know overstay the party.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I get that. That makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
But also endings sometimes make the story better, and this
feels like an abrupt, jarring ending for well, a program.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
That people cared about.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You still have another year, right, it still has another
year to finish off. And I gotta be honest with you, Rich,
I mean, we do the show every night here from
the tire rac dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios. The
only time I'm ever hearing what Chuck and Shack and
company have to say is if it's the thirty two
second snippet that makes it onto x or my Facebook
(09:48):
feed or my Instagram account. No, it's not appointment viewing
for me. And I think for a lot of folks
that you know are doing the lamentation, they're lying, boldface,
lying to you inside the e is coming on.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I gotta get my ass in seat. I don't buy it.
I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Just like a lot of games that are played like
they take on a life as the game goes on.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Maybe you're there for the start of it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Maybe it's your favorite team, but telling me, hey, you're
there for every second of it. No, no for pregame
Like and I love our NFL on Fox, Am I am.
I riveted at nine am on a Sunday. You should
be America World. But like for me, like I'm immersed
in this right, I'm not clinging to every word that
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these guys.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Have for me.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Okay, I'll give you a comparison that makes sense to
me and maybe it makes sense to you. So did
I watch every single game that John Madden ever broadcast?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Now?
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Did I specifically tuned into John Madden's games?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
No? Absolutely not. I tuned into football. I was there
for the football right now. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I enjoyed the commentary, loved his analysis. I loved his personality,
and his voice became synonymous with the sport. But I
wouldn't say, like you're pointing out, I wouldn't argue that
John Madden was appointment viewership.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
For me.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
It was the football, it was the product alongside John Madden. However,
I will say this, when he stepped away from the booth,
it was a sad day for me because I realized
how synonymous his voice was with the sport.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
And I think a lot of people feel that way about.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Seeing Chuck and Shaq and Ernie and Kenny at halftime,
you know, at pregame, at postgame.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I think they loved the colorful interviews.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I think they love the fact that Charles Barkley is
so beloved for his honesty that when he gets caught
with his pants down on a broadcast, you know, when
somebody asks him, hey, name two Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But that's the point.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think that's all that got you of our business
of they want to say, hey, look, these guys don't
pay attention, like when they go do the college stuff. Rick,
that's the first thing everybody he wants to do. These
guys clearly have not watched a game of Team X,
Y or Z.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
But they but they still watch Chuck and Shack, you know.
And that's the thing I like, I understand what you're saying, Mike.
I don't disagree with you. I don't think I've ever
necessarily tuned in solely for the purpose of seeing what Chuck, Shack,
Ernie and Kenny did inside the NBA was a nice
side piece to the main event, which was whatever basketball
(12:24):
game you were tuning into.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Is it Lakers.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Clippers, or you know, an Eastern Conference showdown between you know,
the seventy six ers and the Knicks, or have you.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Got the Nixon You're fired?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Get thirteen minutes, you guys, hear enough of that already.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But but it's true, like you know, everybody has their
reasons for turning on. I would say the minority, the
vast minority of people are tuning into basketball just to
hear what Jack, Chuck and.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Shack have to say.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
But but I will say that their voices will be
sorely missed when they're gone, when they're no longer a
part of the ether surrounding the game. And maybe they
still will, you know, maybe they'll find other entry points,
Maybe they'll find unique ways to fold them into the broadcast,
into the future.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I mean, Charles Barkley's talking about retirement.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Who knows, you know, Shack doesn't seem to turn down
a paycheck, so I think we'll see him again.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And his new game show starts on Thursday. I think
it's the old adage of your as loyal as your options.
So as much as the I can only see myself
working here, and good thoughts with Ernie Johnson, who's stepping
away from his baseball stuff for the until the NBA
circles back, whatever's going on in his life and family
wish him the best. But it's the idea of all
(13:40):
right now that this really can go away in theory
in a year and we'll see how this plays out
in terms of their bid to retain their portion of
the landscape. Is money talks and if it's the hey,
we can get the band back together over here, and
part of it is the production crew and everything else.
Get that very loyal and consistent to that point, and
(14:04):
I think that's the biggest thing Barkley's been kind of
barking more than anything about the behind the scenes part
of its staying together.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But whether there's a will, there's.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
A way, even if it requires producing their own shows
that are then licensed and sold off. See what I
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What's going on brother, Happy New year.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Okay, what's going on, guysball year?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right, the new football year. Second half of the baseball season.
Still a lot of you know, hope raining supreme there
in Baltimore as we get towards the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean, there's just a lot of good flowing. So
it's good.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, no, it's a great, great time of year. I
can't complain. The us man still looking for coach, but
that's all right, No, no need to rush that, and
we got two years well yeah, no, exactly, no, just
get it right, get it right, hopefully get it right.
Soccer coming up though, We got the under twenties qualifying
(17:26):
right now, so that's all.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
It's good at a lot of stuff percolating in there
in Baltimore. We've got coach Harbaugh back and his guy
saying we're hoping to make him the greatest of all time.
But like that, Hey, we have great expectations for Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Here's a little bit more.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
Yeah, look, Harms is obviously fired up for the start
of the season, and you know, we're playing some of
the clips on my show and he kind of sounds
a little bit like a principal in the first day
of school, and I just think he got a little
overly worked up. And I don't think, I mean, none
(18:05):
of this is the end of the world, but there's
enough already sort of hanging around Lamar, you know, and
when is this team getting over the top with him?
And one are the m VP's going to translate to
you know, transcendent playoff performances and a deep playoff run.
So he got kind of added a little fuel to
the fire. And look, it just so happens that time
(18:31):
timing is everything right, And in this AFC, we've got
from this Tom Brady thing straight headlong into this Patrick
Mahomes thing. So you know, we use words like greatest
or whatever, like it's hard to be the greatest right
now because the greatest right now might still be in
(18:53):
his prime and playing in the narrowhead. So yeah, a
little more unfortunate wording, I suppose, But everyone is, you know,
and that organization is very confident about Lamar Jackson and
his prowess and now they just they have to find
a way to translate it to January football.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah, the two biggest news stories revolving around NFL quarterbacks recently.
That quote from Harbab about his quarterback, and then Brian
gutten Kun's comments about his quarterback with the Green Bay Packers,
the president of football operation, saying that he won't play
a snap until the contract extension is done. I'm gonna
ask you a very important question when something is sort
(19:34):
of teed up and volleyed over to the media for
us that you on why why do you think?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Brian guten Kunz shared.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
That, well, I think when someone is a quarterback, and
he's a quarterback who hit the notes that doing Love
hit last year in his first full season as a starter,
like there's a massive elephit in the room. Like if
a guy holding in at the quarterback position, it's going
to be pretty damn obvious, Like everybody knows who's quarterbacking
(20:01):
the team at any given moment. It's not like a
backup guard. So I think it would have been really
you would have been taking people for fools and looking
like a jackass yourself if you tried to act like
this is something that you know what I mean, it wasn't.
It's amicable enough. It's not like you're getting missives from
(20:24):
the agent and the player on social media or you know,
to people like Pat McAfee or whatever on a daily basis,
Like this is clearly something that they're working on, and
they feel pretty good about the progress. They're some mitigating
circumstances like some other quarterback extensions for more I guess
established qbs that are still in the balance with Dak
(20:47):
and Tua, so it may not get done quite as
judiciously as they would like. But in the meantime, Yeah,
the player's doing what he needs to do. Getting hurt
in a situation like this would be devastating, and I
think he showed enough last year to jump right to
the head of the class in terms of quarterback salary.
And if that means you know, I mean, if I'm him,
(21:09):
I don't why am I taking anything less than term
of larynx, Like, I don't fathom a scenario where he does,
so it might still take a little finagling to get there.
In the meantime, I mean, the guy's not so I
don't know how you couch it really any other way.
And they have a history of getting these things.
Speaker 10 (21:30):
Done, and they've had an un A mean, we're going
back to them, you know, getting Brett Favre from Atlanta
at a time when people were wondering if he's going
to drink himself out of the league.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Like, to go from their situation then to what the
quarterback situation has been like since then is unbelievable and
they appreciate it, and I'm sure they will get something done.
And in the meantime, like Jordan lovel is going to
do a whole lot in these preseason games anyway. So
it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
As uh, chicagoan, you know, having watched thirty years even
going back to Don Makowski who owned the Bears, to
Jason Locket for it. No, he did his thing, and
then thirty years of misery and they're like, oh, it's done.
I'm like, nah, this love guy is going to be
the same thing. And sure enough, all you have to
do is wait and there it comes. But we've got
folks in Chicago Land obviously wishing, wanting, hoping. Caleb Williams
(22:27):
and I don't know that I've seen more video highlights
of basic throws from a guy than we've seen out
of Chicago. Here he is hitting Cole Comet from you know,
in a five yard flat route, like this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Well, why, well, look.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's good to be excited. I mean, you just said it.
It's it's happy new year, it's the first day of school.
Maybe that's a pan announce because a lot of people
don't like to come to school. Oh sure, it's new beginnings, right,
And they haven't taken a quarterback this this high in
quite some time. I get it, man, I it is
(23:08):
amazing to have these two teams in the same division
and for their paths at the most important position in
all professional sports have been this divergent for this long
where you're clinging to, like, you know, one half season
of Jay Cutler and it was like, wait, we kind
of have something there from it. But I look, I
don't think he could bear that cross, you know, I
(23:31):
don't think that should be put on him. It will be,
but I don't think it should be. And yeah, I
understand that a lot of people would say, can we
left this brief? Do we have to go crazy about this?
But you know, I also understand fandom and I understand
the media and if this kid can play, and I
certainly think he can, and if they don't, you know,
(23:54):
tear him down or you know, if they're unable to
polish him up this year, then somebody else is gonn
to come in there next year and they'll get their
opportunity to do it. But you should be excited if
you're a Bears fan. They have talent and I feel
like it's been a while and you could say that
about them offensively.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's the larger thing.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Rich not to interrupt, but the U you know that
you've built out a receiving core, you've got a running
back that you brought in and swip like all of it.
It's it's like they've actually done things right in terms
of a team building. So you're always waiting for what's
the other shoe to drop? Is really what he comes
down to when you're one of these franchises, Yeah, I mean,
(24:37):
oh was.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That for me or that's for you?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah. I understand people who are going to go crazy
about everything he does positively, and they understand people who
are going to be sort of doom and gloom and say,
you know, at the end of the day, it's still
the Bears. It's still you know, it's the Hallas slash mccaskey's,
and they will f it up right.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, We've got we've got you know, generations, I
guess going on multiple generations of of institutional memory and
data points that would say that, you know, they find
a way to turn you know, chicken salad into chicken crap.
So we'll see again I I they made they make
(25:24):
strives last year.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
There's no doubt about that. They did coalesce around e
Refluse and you know, saved his job with the kind
of defense they played down the stretch. Not everybody's gonna
take the league by storm like a CJ. Stroud. You know,
even you know Josh Allen, right, the first season was
was tough. There's going to be a learning curve. He's
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going to make some mistakes. They need to stand by
him in that organization, and they need to support him,
and they need to give him the infrastructure required to
cultivate him. And again it's that's not happening. And even
if they win, you know, nine or ten games, if
he doesn't look the part, then there's going to be
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a reboot.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Let's stay in the NFC, but go to a team
that has had successful season after successful season, but the
expectations are much higher than they are in.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Chicago with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You look at this situation with Dak Prescott and it
really feels like it's hit the back burner.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Ceedee Lamb appears to be the bigger priority.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
You have a lame duck coach, You have a quarterback
on the final year of what was a big quarterback
contract now pales in comparison to the sort of money
we're seeing at that position. What do you think is
the mindset of Dak Prescott. Part of me thinks that
he obviously wants to play out his career in Dallas.
He wants to sign another big deal with them. That
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would be, you know, for a tremendous amount of guaranteed
money up front and then obviously some job security for
the next bunch of seasons. But I have an inkling
that maybe Dak wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
So upset to leave Dallas.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
And it's just a feeling, it's just mere speculation, it's
my own conjecture.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
How do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Yeah, I kind of I'm with you on the ladder,
like he has become the face of Cowboys failures. But
what it's really done for a lot of people who
aren't paying attention and aren't scoring at home properly because
it's almost given like Jerry and Steven and now like
somehow they've paid that too much money and like this
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has been a problem, or maybe they shouldn't keep re
upping with him because maybe he's part of the problem.
And again, we can sit here and relegate some of
his individual performances when mistakes have been raised, but he's
pretty damn good quarterback. He's one of their biggest strengths.
(27:55):
And well, I'm not the hugest Dak Prescott guy in
the world because I think some of the heights skids
out of control. Because he is the Cowboys quarterback, you
can also see there'd be a part of him saying,
oh really, like okay, so I'm not worth this and
you think you could draft my replacement or you want
to go with the younger, cheaper model like what you
did for me. You know when you when when you
pick me over Tony Romo. That's fine. You know, the
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grass isn't always greener, and it's been great being the
Cowboys quarterback. But there's also a whole lot of ds
that comes with that. And I got guys running this
team who do play favors, who do have personal relationship
with players that certainly aren't aren't the norm in the
NFL that haven't been able to build a winning culture
or sustain anything where we win meaningful games in the
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postseason with any continuity going back to the mid nineties,
you know what I mean. So if you want me
to wear it, that's fine. There's going to be another
team that's going to be desperate to get me. I'll
have a market and that's cool. Like you do you
you see what it looks like without me. But luck
here in the NFC, that's for damn Shore like that.
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Otherwise they you know, I think you'd really be looking
at a team that's in trouble. But they're going to
be at least in the hunt. They're going to be
competitive because of that division. But I don't think they're
a real contender. And you know, when it gets that
personal between the players and the coaches, right, and when
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it's going well, it's great, But then people leave there. Man,
they seem to leave there, you know what I mean,
sort of angry and like jeeks fact, But that's just
the marriage of complete and utter desperation, right. But like
it got sideways with Romo, it got sideways with Dez.
Like I just think this is how it goes man,
Jerry falls in love with him. He gives them all
that money. He thinks they're going to be the salvation.
(29:45):
Their team building is crap. They overvalue themselves every year.
Jerry hasn't want to spend big in a long time.
It's not just the last couple of years. It's been
going on really since he rebuilt the practice facility. Like,
I don't know, man, Like I don't know, but I
can see back being being kind of sick of it
and sick of him being the faith of it instead
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of Jerry and Stevens.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
He's Jason locking for a one oh five seven the
fan at the Washington Post. You find him on Twitter
at Jason lock and fora Jason Happy New Year training
camp on us. Uh yeah, let's let's get it on.
It's it's the long road towards Vegas.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
So let's let's go. We've still got a lot of
fad preseason football against.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But we'll celebrate all to seventy two of those regular
season games. There you go, all right, brother, be good
to have a great week thanks to Jason locking Forth
stopping by part of our extended family here at Fox Sports. Right,
I know, Jason Smith Tonight it's rich Ornberger in his stead.
You find him at Ornberger. We're here in the tyraq
dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios, and yes, coming up next,
there's a documentary that was announced and I already have
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thirty five questions that will never be answered.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But we'll talk about him next year on Fox.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Getting the blood.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Pomping on a Monday night, Mike Carmon, Rich Hornberger with
you here The Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Carmon
Smith trying to find his voice, psychologically, physically, all of
those things. Still recovering from whatever spell someone put on
him during all his Harry Potter travels in the UK.
And how about a Fresco if you want to check
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in on him. Richie sounded rough, as if he'd done
a full three hour screaming concert and had no throat
lozenges or hot tease or anything to kind of get
past it.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, especially coming from Great Britain, where I mean they
drink so much tea. They wanted our fine colony here
Stateside to pay obscene taxes for it because they wanted
it all for themselves.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So I mean, look, I feel for the guy. I've
been there.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
When you lose your voice in this game, it's similar
to rolling your ankle in the game I came from.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's no fun. It's a nagging injury.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
And you can play through some you can't play through others,
and they'll always be the doubters or the haters. But
I'm in his corner and I can't wait till he
gets back.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And when it's all said and done, I mean you
boot and rally.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Suck on some garlick or whatever the remedies that you
can find, or maybe you just stop talking and singing
and eating well Big Max for a day or two,
and maybe that'll help you get back into fine form.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
There's a documentary coming out, part of a series on Netflix.
You have the Simone Biles story that's already up. They're
doing a one on Steve McNair that I'll be fascinated
to see. But Connor stallions, Yes, the name everybody remembers
from the fun and exciting world of the University of Michigan.
The off field analyst that was there for a couple
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of years. On August thirtieth, Netflix is bringing this guy
and his story to untold. So one of the biggest
scandals that we've had recent memory. You wouldn't know it
by any of the punishments that went down, but hey,
it's an ongoing investigation from the NCAA. Rich but in
his episode is saying he will for the first time
(33:25):
reveal quote his side of Michigan's alleged signed stealing scheme
that turned him into a viral villain. There's a bunch
of pictures of him holding trophies and hanging out on
the sidelines and in the locker rooms, et cetera. Yeah,
there's a million questions that go to it that won't
be answered. But Frostburg was funny. He goes, Hey, don't
(33:48):
spoil the ending. I'm like, what that. I've got billboards
in between the ambulance chasing lawyers for Jim Harbaugh bringing
his brand to football to the Chargers. That's really how
it ended, isn't it. Yeah, Well, I want a title.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
See you here.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Here's what's interesting about the time we live live in.
When you run an organization and anything nefarious happens.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
People will know about it vis a via.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Documentary at some point. That's just the way this goes.
There are too many people who are too you know,
short on cash when the party gets broken up, or
maybe feel like they've been wronged in some fundamental way,
like there, remember what happened with the allegations with the
wide receiver coach at Ohio State and then he just
(34:37):
he just flung muck at Urban Meyer and back and
forth it went for a little while. I mean, that
was a really seedy, unfortunate chapter in the Ohio State
Buckeyes book. You know, I mean, this is what it's
gonna look like. You know, this is this is big
time college football, and it's not always clean.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And nobody's ever claimed it was.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
I think the the dream or the prototype that was
sold to the American public was something different than what
was actually going on the whole time. And we're probably
just gonna have a deeper understanding of how far the
lengths will go after this Connor Stallion's doc or you know,
this University of Michigan doc, whatever you want to call it,
(35:22):
and uh, and we'll have a deeper understanding of what
happened at this school. But I promise you, if what
was happening at Ohio State was happening with the Buckeyes,
it wasn't only happening with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, and that's it, right.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
You know, if you know if what was happening with
the University of Michigan was happening with the Wolverines, I
promise you it wasn't only happening with the Wolverines.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
But it always comes back to it, right, Go back
to your former squad of the New England Patriots. You're
telling me that it's it's just an isolated team. It's like, no,
you just got one team that they decided to make
an example of. Go back to overinflation or under inflation
of footballs and what was real, what was imagined, and
(36:03):
what just became a nice narrative of.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Oh my god, look what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Meanwhile, quarterback after quarterback is like, yeah, I had those
those guys pump those up to where they were getting
ready to burst.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That was Aaron Rodgers and so many others. But keep
going on down the line, go back to the inane
scandal at Ohio State of Hey, I got a bunch
of gear. I don't want can I give it to you?
You seem to like it. Can I get tattoos? And
that became a big deal. Yeah right, silliness like that,
and just showing how short a road it was from
that to where we are with all of these conference
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realignments nil and trying to set new guardrails to all
of this is kind of laughable. So the Stallion's you know, storyline,
I mean, we'll see how much he gets romanticized, because
that's usually the other part of it of look at
the access and look at the cool, you know, things
he was able to do around the squad, et cetera.
And maybe we get a little bit deeper because it
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always comes back to who knew what, when and how
and where? And you know, Heavy is the head who
wears the crown, the guy up top. The fact that
you suspended Harbaugh multiple times tells me there's a lot
more to the tail, as much as Michigan fans may
want to deny it. And again to your point, yeah,
it's it doesn't mean you were the only one, but
you were the only one they made an example of.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Yeah, yeah, listen, and it's going to be a story
that repeats itself many times. Into the future and this
story isn't even over yet and we know.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That right Well, that's the best with all of these documentaries,
the people who know where the bodies are buried, It's like,
how long?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
What's the statute of limitation for that to sume me?
He's rich. I'm might coming up next.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Top five training camps to our US men's and women's
national teams that we have to raise our eyebrows. Maya
modus proposal from Friday worked out pretty nicely on Saturday
for that WNBA All Star tilt against the Olympians, although
I think the Olympians are still actually holding the right
to be the Olympians and they were not surped as
(38:01):
I had proposed that they should have been if losing
that game. But we'll get into all of that a
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finally arrived. Rich Ornberger, and as a guy who played
for six years in the National Football League, obviously, the
collegiate efforts at Penn State. Do you still get the
itch when you see guys going to camp? Do you
miss any of it at this point or are you
far enough a renewed removed by chasing your kids that
(38:42):
that's another lifetime ago.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It does feel like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Ten years is an awful long time to be out
of football when you think about my professional career was
six years, my playing career at Penn State was five.
I only really played got field time for four of those,
so I just about you know, lapped or I shouldn't
say lap, but it just about eclipsed the length of
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time that actually played football at the collegiate or professional
level in my retirement.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
But yeah, there's still an itch there.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
There's still feelings this time of year where you don't
you don't really understand why, but I guess, I guess
really it just comes down to habit forming.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
You get a little.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Surly, you know, you get a little uncomfortable, you get
a little eager or anxious during this time of year.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
If you're a former pro or a former.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Collegiate athlete who which recently hung up the cleats because
you've done it your whole life. This is the time
of year where you have to start ramping up and
you start you have to start, you know, butting heads again,
and it's yeah, it's hard to lay down that sword.
And so every once in a while, I'll see a trade,
I'll see clips from a training camp practice on Twitter now,
and you'll have almost like one of those you know,
(40:01):
it almost looks like one of those Tom Cruise war
movie flashbacks where you just all of a sudden lost
in your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
And uh and you see.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The screens sort of fading to a moment and then
all of a sudden you snap out of it because
you know you're you're burning the toast.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Or you know, you know, the kids yelling your.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Head to be careful with the burning toast, because you
know that that implies some other things.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Oh yeah, it could be a stroke. Could that's also true? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Yeah, if you smell burned toast, apparently you're supposed to
stop dropping roller. I'm not exactly sure you do it
the stroke, but haven't had one yet, fortunately, But yeah,
it's uh, it's definitely that time of year that that
excites the the the god of war inside of all
former athletes.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
I guess well, it's funny though, right, being in this
business obviously football.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I don't want to say it's.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Easier, but it's easier programming, right, b Block, Cowboys, seed block?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Those kinds of things were you know?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I like the quote hard part of the season where
we get to stretch our legs a little bit and
find some of these secondary stories. But once football rolls around,
to me, it's the all right, it means podcast come back,
more radio appearances during the week.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
A bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
So you start ramping up in psychologically getting yourself ready
for that, right, yeah, all right. The games become available
off the NFL's platform right as of midnight on Sunday night.
You can go back and watch the condensed games, So
you're up till four in the morning and watching games
and making notes if you're a nerd like me. For
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you everybody else, you just watch a couple of highlights
and extrapolate from there and maybe read a box scord too.
But yeah, it's that exciting time of year. The Bears
will be on hard knocks. I don't know how I'm
how great that'll be for the process. Hopefully they don't
look as dumb as the Giants have in the preseason
hard knocks. I mean rich, they opened the doors and
(41:58):
I thought they still had something of an edit process
as the team and write a refusal on some of
the footage.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
How did they think any of.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
These things, from from Barkley to Dable salivating over the
quarterbacks and anything else?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
How did they think that was gonna make them look
any good?
Speaker 6 (42:13):
I don't really understand how they they thought it was
going to go. But my guess is, however they thought it.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Was going to go, it went the opposite.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Like I imagine when the cameras left the facility and
you know day Ball or you know Joe Shane or
you know whoever was the what was his name, Jim
Mara when with the yeah, John Myra, Yeah, when when
he left the facility and they all went home and
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they tried to imagine what the production crew was going
to do in editing. I think most people believe they're
the protagonist of their story, you know, not the antagonist.
And unfortunately for the Giants, everybody affiliated with the Giants
right now is the antigt.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
There there are no heroes in this story. Right now.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
It's just saying from me, one of them, an underdog
will emerge. Somebody, let me be your hero, singing like
you're Enrique Iglesias.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Yeah, it isn't there. I promise you it's a there's
no heroes there. Look Daniel Jones, he can at times
really look solid. I mean he he've had he's had
a couple of a couple of seasons now where he's
flirted with looking like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
The problem is he's had a lot of bad ones.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
And when when you're injury prone and you've had a
bunch of real rough seasons mixed in or bad moments
mixed in with the good moments, you really you start
to think to yourself, I mean, can this guy?
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Can this guy start in this league?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I mean they just paid him like he was a
top of the second tier quarterback.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Can and and can he even start in this league
like that?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
That's where we're at now with Daniel Jones. So a
lot to be proved at that position. Frankly, a lot
to be proved at the head coaching position. I wouldn't
be I wouldn't be be completely shocked if this season
John Mara and company decide to see what Brian Dabole,
who is a supposed quarterback whisper, can do with Daniel Jones,
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and if it goes better than advertised, better than they thought,
they hang on to him, and maybe not Daniel Jones,
but they hang on to Da Ball. If this goes sideways, though,
I think the whole team gets cleared out. I think
they're going to start from scratch. I think it'll be
quarterback and head coach and everybody.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Associated with both.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
It's going to be a fire sale and we're scrapping
this and we're starting over.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Again, one hundred percent at Hornberger where you find him
on Twitter. You hear him every morning seven sixty down
in San Dieg. You can find that on the iHeartRadio app.
Of course, Saturday mornings he's with Brian and Jared talking
all things, wagering that college football wagering coming back soon.
And then on Sunday he's trying to calm down Steve
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Hartman for whatever he's ranting about in a given moment.
But you know, the Giants not one of the training
camps I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
They would rank towards the bottom.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
And we'll wait and see and again Jones a guy
that you know, hopefully he can stay upright because you
saw some good things two years ago and then rough
start to the year, neck injury, all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
But that's another here or other.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
That's that's regular season with Bill Belichick still lurking out there,
your former coach, trying to find himself a way back
into the league. So the Giants being one of those
teams where it's like, oh, maybe for sensibility purposes, conna happen.
But I look at from interesting camps selfishly, you know,
Steven and Justin working with the broadcast team with the Chargers,
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I'm very excited about the Jim Harbaugh era, you know,
relentless enthusiasm and bringing in the former Ravens backs and
seeing what they do with Justin Herbert as they move forward.
So selfishly because it's localized, Rich, I mean, they're number
one on the board for me because I think Harbaugh
himself is just a fascinating study.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
I agree, I think it's a fascinating training camp. If
I were to rattle off my top five, let's go,
and I want you to stop me where you find
interest or maybe at the end of the list we
could review.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Sure, yeah, because I've got my five written down as well.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
So okay, I'll give you these five and you tell
me which ones you want to hear from Deeper dive. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Browns, Eagles.
Those are the five that I think are the most
fascinating heading into training camp. And that again, Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Brown's, Eagles.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Okay, yeah, each one of them has a massive story.
The Patriots one, I guess is just it swirls in
the background for me, but it's at your former team.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, it's plain to me. Well, so that one, it's
it's basically twofold. So there wasn't a lot of thought
process around Demko Ryans getting anything done with the Houston
Texans when he took on the head coaching job, and
you saw what a great, not a good, but a
great rookie quarterback can do to a franchise With an
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eager and hungry head coach who really did a nice
job shaping out a defense after time and creating an
atmosphere that players wanted to win.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
There was no give up there in Houston.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
Girad mal very similar path went from being a linebacker
in this league straight into the coaching headset. And he
obviously played understudy to Bill Belichick and rose through the
ranks and he earned this job. And so going from
defensive coordinator to head coach in this league right now,
that is not the topic du jour. People really think
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you need an offense of mind. Did head coach have success? Well,
Damika Ryans kind of flipped, you know, his his four
fingers off his chin to the rest of the league
and said, you know, watch me dance.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
I could do it.
Speaker 6 (48:09):
And he did, and and I'm telling you right now,
it's a dance beat that a lot of other teams
should follow.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Look for a leader.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Mike Tomlin defensive mind to head coach, but he's a leader.
Tamika Ryans defensive head coach, but he's a leader. Darrod Mayo.
If Drake may has the goods, look out. I think
I think the Patriots could be one of those sneaky teams.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
They're playing in a tough division.
Speaker 6 (48:35):
But if it goes well during training camp, and we'll
see what the reports look like with Drake may that's
gonna be the lynchpin here. But if it goes well
during training camp, the Patriots all of a sudden could
become one of those very interesting teams in their early seasons.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, I like the cut of your gym. That's a
fine explanation. And you tie in Houston because that's a
team that obviously is on everybody's radar. So you know,
I kind of have them and the Bears as they
go towards the Hall of Fame game, we'll get to
see the Bears play out on hard knocks. But remember
last year, if the Bears stayed where they were in theory,
you could have taken CJ. Straft yep, would you have necessarily?
(49:09):
Because I love all the revisionist history of it, all right,
because go back to twenty seventeen when everybody's like, well,
they could have had Mahomes if they didn't do that
stupid traubisky things like no, no, no. The guy they
would have drafted if you went from pure logic and
where they were, would have been to Shaun Watson. Now, dude,
the compare contrast of what Deshaun Watson is was as
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a player in the off field. That's the guy you
probably would have selected if you were just going off
the resume and expectations. And then you move forward to
last year. Would they have chosen him or Bryce Young?
I don't know, but they get their second bite of
the apple with all of the trades and a bolstered
offense around Caleb Williams. So those two teams I think
are kind of tied together. You mentioned Cleveland because again
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it is to Deshaun Watson. You got a roster that
you love right defensively, some weaponry comes back off injury.
All of that it plays together. So all of it
goes back to you did really well with backup tertiary quarterbacks,
Joe Flacco off the couch. What does it look like
this year in a tough division where the Steelers have
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the Russell Wilson justin fields battle Cowboys are always interesting
just because. And then the Eagles. One of the subplots
to all of this was, you know, the Sirianni and
Jalen Hurts relationship after the changing out of the coordinators. Rich,
I mean that second half of the season they only
got saved from some of the bad headlines because the
Jaguars were such a mess.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, that's why the Eagles made
my list as well. I mean the Browns obvious reasons,
look that's a playoff team with Joe Flacco and the
five other quarterbacks who appeared other or four other than
Deshaun Watson. I'm curious if he could carry a whole season.
They still don't have that answer. And the Eagles, like
you just mentioned, I mean, Sirianni is a heartbeat away
(50:57):
from losing this job. It all comes down to the
season to keep the band together at Philly. So it's
gonna be a very very interesting situation out there during
training camp as well.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
All Right, the rest of my list, I had the
Chargers up top, mentioned the Bears slash Taxa.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Those are not here. They're there Arizona. I'm still a
Kyler guy.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
It's like I root for all the older guys in
the league to keep playing, so I don't feel so old.
Rich is also the you know, any guy that's about
my height or thereabouts I have to cheer for. So
Kyler Murray coming back looked pretty good in spots last year.
We'll see if that can continue now that you bring
in Marvin Harrison Junior the Colts and Anthony richardson a
team that is built and constructed pretty interestingly in a
(51:41):
division that I think is going to be cannibalism.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah right, when you look.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
At what Because I'm a Will Levis guy, So I'm
gonna put Tennessee in as my fifth squad, staying a
lot of AFC South in a division outside of Houston.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Nobody wants to talk about That's right.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
If we can do the Jaguars another time, I'm sure
you'll be with me before long, So plenty of time
for Jaguars talk on the program. He's Rich Ornberger in
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Speaker 5 (01:05):
How are you doing, brother well Man?
Speaker 6 (01:06):
I gotta tell you it's becoming like a weekly event.
Jumping on the show with you guys. More times it
seems with you, Mikey than with your your better half,
or I guess maybe your sleepier half. Today, hopefully he's
getting some RESTful rest and getting that voice straightened up.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
But I'm glad to be back, Bud.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, you know, I I skipped for a concert. He
brought home the play.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Oh dude, how was the Stones?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Dude? It was absurd.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I got a couple of songs off the new album
that I really had hoped to hear, and I heard
whispers there were some things floating about on the innerwebs
and maybe you get this. There's a song off their
new album that includes Paul McCartney on the base. Oh wow,
And so they obviously know McCartney. But they played that
and they hadn't played that on the tour at all.
So it was like it was a gift to me
(01:54):
and my younger daughter because Mick Curse is a bunch
of it. It's called you know, uh yeah, it's it's
just it's called something. Well, I don't want to I
don't want to screw it up. You know why you
bite my head off? I believe is the actual name
of the song. Uh, but you know, he gets he
gets into it and gets after it.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It was a nice drive up to Santa Clara.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It was a full road trip.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Keep forgetting that you didn't do. Uh you didn't. It
wasn't the Sofi leg of the tour. It was Santa Clara.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So my daughter had had a couple of soccer games
off in Virginia for nationals, so she missed the Sofi.
But when tickets were on sales, she's like, hey, that
following week, you know, we we could probably get up
to Santa Clara. I'm like, sure, let's make this as
difficult as we can.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
My older daughter had a day off from work, so
she joined us. We we drove up. We enjoyed the show.
What twenty one twenty two songs long, a couple of surprises,
gimme shelter with the backup singer who was just absurdly fantastic.
Geriatric crowd like, it's starting to skew a lot older now.
(03:04):
The last time I saw him, it was a nice mix,
healthy mix here, at least where I was seated. A
lot more folks that just sat on their asses and
didn't have a lot of juice to them, particularly with
the new songs, which which kind of stunk because they're lively,
kind of rocking things. But that's okay. You know, it
was a fun time. I appreciate you sitting in for me.
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Veritable mortgage board of topics and conversation pieces for us
today rich and the first one comes straight from the
business this World as Warner Brothers. You know, TNT matches
all the paperwork for that one point eight billion dollars
per year offer from Amazon Prime Video. We've been talking
(04:12):
about this quite a bit, everybody lamenting what will happen
to the b blocks that are scripted for them by
what Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neill say, because I think
that they were the most vocal people about the potential
loss of inside the NBA, where people in our business
who just turned to what did that guy say? Cool,
there's two segments. Let's go so that that turns on
(04:35):
a dime quote. Our matching paperwork was submitted to the league.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Today.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We look forward to the NBA executing our new contract
and I say, well, maybe right, eleven year media deal,
seventy six billion dollar Disney, ESPN, ABC, NBC, and Amazon
Prime Video. So like all of that fun and excitement
when we talk about the largest of those numbers, and
(05:01):
so Warner Brothers Discovery where we had those quotes from leadership, Hey,
we don't need the NBA whatever I'm wondering, I'll allowed
the business part of it rich. If this isn't just
a brilliant way of all right, now, we'll go into
the fight and if the league really wants the new
blood to take over and get us out of our
contract that we've had since what nineteen eighty four?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, games being on a TNT, I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Think since eighty eight or eighty nine or thereabouts, that
this becomes a how about you give us a couple
hundred million dollars to go away it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Uh yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
It's kind of a little bit of like hey, collar bluff,
stick around and we'll entertain you. Or you know, this
is exactly the way you portrayed it. It's just like, hey,
we want to go on away present. Since we've had this,
you know, nearing forty year deal now together, we.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Want something on the backside.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
So I'm curious to myself if this is for real
or if this is just a front so that they
can get a going away present. But either way, I
think it's smart business because the NBA, it's not like
it's not like they're going away in terms of they're
not turning any fans away at the door. The viewership
numbers they haven't been wonderful, But when you look at
(06:20):
all viewership numbers across all platforms, we have such a
split audience that the one thing that rates that advertisers
continue to hawk down and pay massive numbers to or
i should say advertisers companies who want to advertiser will
pay massive money towards those networks.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
That carry live sports. That's that's where that's where.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We're at in culture because look, I listen to podcasts
on the free iHeartRadio app, right, and I can skip
through commercials because I pay for a premium subscription.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I don't have to listen to any of them, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Like people buy ad free Netflix people, well bye, they
will up their Hulu to Hulu plus.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right, they're paid the premium or you get the advertising.
Either way, we're getting into your pocket exactly right.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And that's the and see, that's the tradeoff. So either
the network or streaming platform is going to get your
dollars or the advertisers are going to get themselves in
front of you. But the advertisers, they really have no
way of knowing because all that information is proprietary when
it comes to the stream. Now, I'm sure some of
that information is shared with certain advertisers or certain networks
(07:33):
or certain leagues. Maybe they're friends amongst foes that will
share some of that information, and maybe it's the best
kept secret or the or the secret things that certain
people will say out loud. But I don't want to
get too far in the weeds because I feel like
we start talking over people's heads when we start talking
shop and broadcasting all that stuff. Basically what this boils
(07:54):
down to is the inside the NBA program, which has
been at over the last decade plus with Charles and
Shaq and Kenny and Ernie is going to be taken
from us unless the NBA honors this request and this
this matched offer is all they were looking for, and
(08:16):
they keep rolling with T and T.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I keep going back to, you know again, how much
people really will miss it? Like shows go on and
off the air all the time, right, you have a
good run, whether it's curb your enthusiasm and you tap
out when people are still thirsty for more at least
for the moment, or Seinfeld or some of these things
where you just say, you know what we've done, and
(08:40):
we don't want the quality to decrease, so we'll leave.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
But hang on, But hang on because I do want
to jump in and say something about that. I want
to hear your reaction, because I know you are kind
of a culture vulture too, like you care about things
like I do. Like there are a lot of people
myself included, who didn't love the.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Way Seinfeld ended.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
There are a lot of people myself included until later
in life when I revisited it that didn't love the
way the Sopranos ended, So I.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Agree with you.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Leave them on the hook, leave them wanting more, you know,
don't don't let anybody you know overstay the party.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I get that. That makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
But also endings sometimes make the story better, and this
feels like an abrupt, jarring ending for well, a program.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
That people cared about.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You still have another year, right, it still has another
year to finish off. And I gotta be honest with you, Rich,
I mean, we do the show every night here from
the tire rac dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios. The
only time I'm ever hearing what Chuck and Shack and
company have to say is if it's the thirty two
second snippet that makes it onto x or my Facebook
(09:48):
feed or my Instagram account. No, it's not appointment viewing
for me. And I think for a lot of folks
that you know are doing the lamentation, they're lying, boldface,
lying to you inside the e is coming on.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I gotta get my ass in seat. I don't buy it.
I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Just like a lot of games that are played like
they take on a life as the game goes on.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Maybe you're there for the start of it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Maybe it's your favorite team, but telling me, hey, you're
there for every second of it. No, no for pregame
Like and I love our NFL on Fox, Am I am.
I riveted at nine am on a Sunday. You should
be America World. But like for me, like I'm immersed
in this right, I'm not clinging to every word that
(10:34):
these guys.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Have for me.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Okay, I'll give you a comparison that makes sense to
me and maybe it makes sense to you. So did
I watch every single game that John Madden ever broadcast?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Now?
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Did I specifically tuned into John Madden's games?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
No? Absolutely not. I tuned into football. I was there
for the football right now. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I enjoyed the commentary, loved his analysis. I loved his personality,
and his voice became synonymous with the sport. But I
wouldn't say, like you're pointing out, I wouldn't argue that
John Madden was appointment viewership.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
For me.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
It was the football, it was the product alongside John Madden. However,
I will say this, when he stepped away from the booth,
it was a sad day for me because I realized
how synonymous his voice was with the sport.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
And I think a lot of people feel that way about.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Seeing Chuck and Shaq and Ernie and Kenny at halftime,
you know, at pregame, at postgame.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I think they loved the colorful interviews.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I think they love the fact that Charles Barkley is
so beloved for his honesty that when he gets caught
with his pants down on a broadcast, you know, when
somebody asks him, hey, name two Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But that's the point.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think that's all that got you of our business
of they want to say, hey, look, these guys don't
pay attention, like when they go do the college stuff. Rick,
that's the first thing everybody he wants to do. These
guys clearly have not watched a game of Team X,
Y or Z.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
But they but they still watch Chuck and Shack, you know.
And that's the thing I like, I understand what you're saying, Mike.
I don't disagree with you. I don't think I've ever
necessarily tuned in solely for the purpose of seeing what Chuck, Shack,
Ernie and Kenny did inside the NBA was a nice
side piece to the main event, which was whatever basketball
(12:24):
game you were tuning into.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Is it Lakers.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Clippers, or you know, an Eastern Conference showdown between you know,
the seventy six ers and the Knicks, or have you.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Got the Nixon You're fired?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Get thirteen minutes, you guys, hear enough of that already.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But but it's true, like you know, everybody has their
reasons for turning on. I would say the minority, the
vast minority of people are tuning into basketball just to
hear what Jack, Chuck and.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Shack have to say.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
But but I will say that their voices will be
sorely missed when they're gone, when they're no longer a
part of the ether surrounding the game. And maybe they
still will, you know, maybe they'll find other entry points,
Maybe they'll find unique ways to fold them into the broadcast,
into the future.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I mean, Charles Barkley's talking about retirement.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Who knows, you know, Shack doesn't seem to turn down
a paycheck, so I think we'll see him again.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And his new game show starts on Thursday. I think
it's the old adage of your as loyal as your options.
So as much as the I can only see myself
working here, and good thoughts with Ernie Johnson, who's stepping
away from his baseball stuff for the until the NBA
circles back, whatever's going on in his life and family
wish him the best. But it's the idea of all
(13:40):
right now that this really can go away in theory
in a year and we'll see how this plays out
in terms of their bid to retain their portion of
the landscape. Is money talks and if it's the hey,
we can get the band back together over here, and
part of it is the production crew and everything else.
Get that very loyal and consistent to that point, and
(14:04):
I think that's the biggest thing Barkley's been kind of
barking more than anything about the behind the scenes part
of its staying together.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But whether there's a will, there's.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
A way, even if it requires producing their own shows
that are then licensed and sold off. See what I
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What's going on brother, Happy New year.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Okay, what's going on, guysball year?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right, the new football year. Second half of the baseball season.
Still a lot of you know, hope raining supreme there
in Baltimore as we get towards the trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean, there's just a lot of good flowing. So
it's good.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, no, it's a great, great time of year. I
can't complain. The us man still looking for coach, but
that's all right, No, no need to rush that, and
we got two years well yeah, no, exactly, no, just
get it right, get it right, hopefully get it right.
Soccer coming up though, We got the under twenties qualifying
(17:26):
right now, so that's all.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
It's good at a lot of stuff percolating in there
in Baltimore. We've got coach Harbaugh back and his guy
saying we're hoping to make him the greatest of all time.
But like that, Hey, we have great expectations for Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Here's a little bit more.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
Yeah, look, Harms is obviously fired up for the start
of the season, and you know, we're playing some of
the clips on my show and he kind of sounds
a little bit like a principal in the first day
of school, and I just think he got a little
overly worked up. And I don't think, I mean, none
(18:05):
of this is the end of the world, but there's
enough already sort of hanging around Lamar, you know, and
when is this team getting over the top with him?
And one are the m VP's going to translate to
you know, transcendent playoff performances and a deep playoff run.
So he got kind of added a little fuel to
the fire. And look, it just so happens that time
(18:31):
timing is everything right, And in this AFC, we've got
from this Tom Brady thing straight headlong into this Patrick
Mahomes thing. So you know, we use words like greatest
or whatever, like it's hard to be the greatest right
now because the greatest right now might still be in
(18:53):
his prime and playing in the narrowhead. So yeah, a
little more unfortunate wording, I suppose, But everyone is, you know,
and that organization is very confident about Lamar Jackson and
his prowess and now they just they have to find
a way to translate it to January football.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah, the two biggest news stories revolving around NFL quarterbacks recently.
That quote from Harbab about his quarterback, and then Brian
gutten Kun's comments about his quarterback with the Green Bay Packers,
the president of football operation, saying that he won't play
a snap until the contract extension is done. I'm gonna
ask you a very important question when something is sort
(19:34):
of teed up and volleyed over to the media for
us that you on why why do you think?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Brian guten Kunz shared.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
That, well, I think when someone is a quarterback, and
he's a quarterback who hit the notes that doing Love
hit last year in his first full season as a starter,
like there's a massive elephit in the room. Like if
a guy holding in at the quarterback position, it's going
to be pretty damn obvious, Like everybody knows who's quarterbacking
(20:01):
the team at any given moment. It's not like a
backup guard. So I think it would have been really
you would have been taking people for fools and looking
like a jackass yourself if you tried to act like
this is something that you know what I mean, it wasn't.
It's amicable enough. It's not like you're getting missives from
(20:24):
the agent and the player on social media or you know,
to people like Pat McAfee or whatever on a daily basis,
Like this is clearly something that they're working on, and
they feel pretty good about the progress. They're some mitigating
circumstances like some other quarterback extensions for more I guess
established qbs that are still in the balance with Dak
(20:47):
and Tua, so it may not get done quite as
judiciously as they would like. But in the meantime, Yeah,
the player's doing what he needs to do. Getting hurt
in a situation like this would be devastating, and I
think he showed enough last year to jump right to
the head of the class in terms of quarterback salary.
And if that means you know, I mean, if I'm him,
(21:09):
I don't why am I taking anything less than term
of larynx, Like, I don't fathom a scenario where he does,
so it might still take a little finagling to get there.
In the meantime, I mean, the guy's not so I
don't know how you couch it really any other way.
And they have a history of getting these things.
Speaker 10 (21:30):
Done, and they've had an un A mean, we're going
back to them, you know, getting Brett Favre from Atlanta
at a time when people were wondering if he's going
to drink himself out of the league.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Like, to go from their situation then to what the
quarterback situation has been like since then is unbelievable and
they appreciate it, and I'm sure they will get something done.
And in the meantime, like Jordan lovel is going to
do a whole lot in these preseason games anyway. So
it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
As uh, chicagoan, you know, having watched thirty years even
going back to Don Makowski who owned the Bears, to
Jason Locket for it. No, he did his thing, and
then thirty years of misery and they're like, oh, it's done.
I'm like, nah, this love guy is going to be
the same thing. And sure enough, all you have to
do is wait and there it comes. But we've got
folks in Chicago Land obviously wishing, wanting, hoping. Caleb Williams
(22:27):
and I don't know that I've seen more video highlights
of basic throws from a guy than we've seen out
of Chicago. Here he is hitting Cole Comet from you know,
in a five yard flat route, like this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Well, why, well, look.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's good to be excited. I mean, you just said it.
It's it's happy new year, it's the first day of school.
Maybe that's a pan announce because a lot of people
don't like to come to school. Oh sure, it's new beginnings, right,
And they haven't taken a quarterback this this high in
quite some time. I get it, man, I it is
(23:08):
amazing to have these two teams in the same division
and for their paths at the most important position in
all professional sports have been this divergent for this long
where you're clinging to, like, you know, one half season
of Jay Cutler and it was like, wait, we kind
of have something there from it. But I look, I
don't think he could bear that cross, you know, I
(23:31):
don't think that should be put on him. It will be,
but I don't think it should be. And yeah, I
understand that a lot of people would say, can we
left this brief? Do we have to go crazy about this?
But you know, I also understand fandom and I understand
the media and if this kid can play, and I
certainly think he can, and if they don't, you know,
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tear him down or you know, if they're unable to
polish him up this year, then somebody else is gonn
to come in there next year and they'll get their
opportunity to do it. But you should be excited if
you're a Bears fan. They have talent and I feel
like it's been a while and you could say that
about them offensively.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's the larger thing.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Rich not to interrupt, but the U you know that
you've built out a receiving core, you've got a running
back that you brought in and swip like all of it.
It's it's like they've actually done things right in terms
of a team building. So you're always waiting for what's
the other shoe to drop? Is really what he comes
down to when you're one of these franchises, Yeah, I mean,
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oh was.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That for me or that's for you?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah. I understand people who are going to go crazy
about everything he does positively, and they understand people who
are going to be sort of doom and gloom and say,
you know, at the end of the day, it's still
the Bears. It's still you know, it's the Hallas slash mccaskey's,
and they will f it up right.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, We've got we've got you know, generations, I
guess going on multiple generations of of institutional memory and
data points that would say that, you know, they find
a way to turn you know, chicken salad into chicken crap.
So we'll see again I I they made they make
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strives last year.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
There's no doubt about that. They did coalesce around e
Refluse and you know, saved his job with the kind
of defense they played down the stretch. Not everybody's gonna
take the league by storm like a CJ. Stroud. You know,
even you know Josh Allen, right, the first season was
was tough. There's going to be a learning curve. He's
(25:47):
going to make some mistakes. They need to stand by
him in that organization, and they need to support him,
and they need to give him the infrastructure required to
cultivate him. And again it's that's not happening. And even
if they win, you know, nine or ten games, if
he doesn't look the part, then there's going to be
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a reboot.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Let's stay in the NFC, but go to a team
that has had successful season after successful season, but the
expectations are much higher than they are in.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Chicago with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You look at this situation with Dak Prescott and it
really feels like it's hit the back burner.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Ceedee Lamb appears to be the bigger priority.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
You have a lame duck coach, You have a quarterback
on the final year of what was a big quarterback
contract now pales in comparison to the sort of money
we're seeing at that position. What do you think is
the mindset of Dak Prescott. Part of me thinks that
he obviously wants to play out his career in Dallas.
He wants to sign another big deal with them. That
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would be, you know, for a tremendous amount of guaranteed
money up front and then obviously some job security for
the next bunch of seasons. But I have an inkling
that maybe Dak wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
So upset to leave Dallas.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
And it's just a feeling, it's just mere speculation, it's
my own conjecture.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
How do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Yeah, I kind of I'm with you on the ladder,
like he has become the face of Cowboys failures. But
what it's really done for a lot of people who
aren't paying attention and aren't scoring at home properly because
it's almost given like Jerry and Steven and now like
somehow they've paid that too much money and like this
(27:35):
has been a problem, or maybe they shouldn't keep re
upping with him because maybe he's part of the problem.
And again, we can sit here and relegate some of
his individual performances when mistakes have been raised, but he's
pretty damn good quarterback. He's one of their biggest strengths.
(27:55):
And well, I'm not the hugest Dak Prescott guy in
the world because I think some of the heights skids
out of control. Because he is the Cowboys quarterback, you
can also see there'd be a part of him saying,
oh really, like okay, so I'm not worth this and
you think you could draft my replacement or you want
to go with the younger, cheaper model like what you
did for me. You know when you when when you
pick me over Tony Romo. That's fine. You know, the
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grass isn't always greener, and it's been great being the
Cowboys quarterback. But there's also a whole lot of ds
that comes with that. And I got guys running this
team who do play favors, who do have personal relationship
with players that certainly aren't aren't the norm in the
NFL that haven't been able to build a winning culture
or sustain anything where we win meaningful games in the
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postseason with any continuity going back to the mid nineties,
you know what I mean. So if you want me
to wear it, that's fine. There's going to be another
team that's going to be desperate to get me. I'll
have a market and that's cool. Like you do you
you see what it looks like without me. But luck
here in the NFC, that's for damn Shore like that.
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Otherwise they you know, I think you'd really be looking
at a team that's in trouble. But they're going to
be at least in the hunt. They're going to be
competitive because of that division. But I don't think they're
a real contender. And you know, when it gets that
personal between the players and the coaches, right, and when
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it's going well, it's great, But then people leave there. Man,
they seem to leave there, you know what I mean,
sort of angry and like jeeks fact, But that's just
the marriage of complete and utter desperation, right. But like
it got sideways with Romo, it got sideways with Dez.
Like I just think this is how it goes man,
Jerry falls in love with him. He gives them all
that money. He thinks they're going to be the salvation.
(29:45):
Their team building is crap. They overvalue themselves every year.
Jerry hasn't want to spend big in a long time.
It's not just the last couple of years. It's been
going on really since he rebuilt the practice facility. Like,
I don't know, man, Like I don't know, but I
can see back being being kind of sick of it
and sick of him being the faith of it instead
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of Jerry and Stevens.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
He's Jason locking for a one oh five seven the
fan at the Washington Post. You find him on Twitter
at Jason lock and fora Jason Happy New Year training
camp on us. Uh yeah, let's let's get it on.
It's it's the long road towards Vegas.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
So let's let's go. We've still got a lot of
fad preseason football against.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But we'll celebrate all to seventy two of those regular
season games. There you go, all right, brother, be good
to have a great week thanks to Jason locking Forth
stopping by part of our extended family here at Fox Sports. Right,
I know, Jason Smith Tonight it's rich Ornberger in his stead.
You find him at Ornberger. We're here in the tyraq
dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios, and yes, coming up next,
there's a documentary that was announced and I already have
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thirty five questions that will never be answered.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But we'll talk about him next year on Fox.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Getting the blood.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Pomping on a Monday night, Mike Carmon, Rich Hornberger with
you here The Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Carmon
Smith trying to find his voice, psychologically, physically, all of
those things. Still recovering from whatever spell someone put on
him during all his Harry Potter travels in the UK.
And how about a Fresco if you want to check
(31:28):
in on him. Richie sounded rough, as if he'd done
a full three hour screaming concert and had no throat
lozenges or hot tease or anything to kind of get
past it.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, especially coming from Great Britain, where I mean they
drink so much tea. They wanted our fine colony here
Stateside to pay obscene taxes for it because they wanted
it all for themselves.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So I mean, look, I feel for the guy. I've
been there.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
When you lose your voice in this game, it's similar
to rolling your ankle in the game I came from.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's no fun. It's a nagging injury.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
And you can play through some you can't play through others,
and they'll always be the doubters or the haters. But
I'm in his corner and I can't wait till he
gets back.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And when it's all said and done, I mean you
boot and rally.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Suck on some garlick or whatever the remedies that you
can find, or maybe you just stop talking and singing
and eating well Big Max for a day or two,
and maybe that'll help you get back into fine form.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
There's a documentary coming out, part of a series on Netflix.
You have the Simone Biles story that's already up. They're
doing a one on Steve McNair that I'll be fascinated
to see. But Connor stallions, Yes, the name everybody remembers
from the fun and exciting world of the University of Michigan.
The off field analyst that was there for a couple
(33:02):
of years. On August thirtieth, Netflix is bringing this guy
and his story to untold. So one of the biggest
scandals that we've had recent memory. You wouldn't know it
by any of the punishments that went down, but hey,
it's an ongoing investigation from the NCAA. Rich but in
his episode is saying he will for the first time
(33:25):
reveal quote his side of Michigan's alleged signed stealing scheme
that turned him into a viral villain. There's a bunch
of pictures of him holding trophies and hanging out on
the sidelines and in the locker rooms, et cetera. Yeah,
there's a million questions that go to it that won't
be answered. But Frostburg was funny. He goes, Hey, don't
(33:48):
spoil the ending. I'm like, what that. I've got billboards
in between the ambulance chasing lawyers for Jim Harbaugh bringing
his brand to football to the Chargers. That's really how
it ended, isn't it. Yeah, Well, I want a title.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
See you here.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Here's what's interesting about the time we live live in.
When you run an organization and anything nefarious happens.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
People will know about it vis a via.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Documentary at some point. That's just the way this goes.
There are too many people who are too you know,
short on cash when the party gets broken up, or
maybe feel like they've been wronged in some fundamental way,
like there, remember what happened with the allegations with the
wide receiver coach at Ohio State and then he just
(34:37):
he just flung muck at Urban Meyer and back and
forth it went for a little while. I mean, that
was a really seedy, unfortunate chapter in the Ohio State
Buckeyes book. You know, I mean, this is what it's
gonna look like. You know, this is this is big
time college football, and it's not always clean.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And nobody's ever claimed it was.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
I think the the dream or the prototype that was
sold to the American public was something different than what
was actually going on the whole time. And we're probably
just gonna have a deeper understanding of how far the
lengths will go after this Connor Stallion's doc or you know,
this University of Michigan doc, whatever you want to call it,
(35:22):
and uh, and we'll have a deeper understanding of what
happened at this school. But I promise you, if what
was happening at Ohio State was happening with the Buckeyes,
it wasn't only happening with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, and that's it, right.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
You know, if you know if what was happening with
the University of Michigan was happening with the Wolverines, I
promise you it wasn't only happening with the Wolverines.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
But it always comes back to it, right, Go back
to your former squad of the New England Patriots. You're
telling me that it's it's just an isolated team. It's like, no,
you just got one team that they decided to make
an example of. Go back to overinflation or under inflation
of footballs and what was real, what was imagined, and
(36:03):
what just became a nice narrative of.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Oh my god, look what they did.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Meanwhile, quarterback after quarterback is like, yeah, I had those
those guys pump those up to where they were getting
ready to burst.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
That was Aaron Rodgers and so many others. But keep
going on down the line, go back to the inane
scandal at Ohio State of Hey, I got a bunch
of gear. I don't want can I give it to you?
You seem to like it. Can I get tattoos? And
that became a big deal. Yeah right, silliness like that,
and just showing how short a road it was from
that to where we are with all of these conference
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realignments nil and trying to set new guardrails to all
of this is kind of laughable. So the Stallion's you know, storyline,
I mean, we'll see how much he gets romanticized, because
that's usually the other part of it of look at
the access and look at the cool, you know, things
he was able to do around the squad, et cetera.
And maybe we get a little bit deeper because it
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always comes back to who knew what, when and how
and where? And you know, Heavy is the head who
wears the crown, the guy up top. The fact that
you suspended Harbaugh multiple times tells me there's a lot
more to the tail, as much as Michigan fans may
want to deny it. And again to your point, yeah,
it's it doesn't mean you were the only one, but
you were the only one they made an example of.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Yeah, yeah, listen, and it's going to be a story
that repeats itself many times. Into the future and this
story isn't even over yet and we know.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That right Well, that's the best with all of these documentaries,
the people who know where the bodies are buried, It's like,
how long?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
What's the statute of limitation for that to sume me?
He's rich. I'm might coming up next.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Top five training camps to our US men's and women's
national teams that we have to raise our eyebrows. Maya
modus proposal from Friday worked out pretty nicely on Saturday
for that WNBA All Star tilt against the Olympians, although
I think the Olympians are still actually holding the right
to be the Olympians and they were not surped as
(38:01):
I had proposed that they should have been if losing
that game. But we'll get into all of that a
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(38:22):
finally arrived. Rich Ornberger, and as a guy who played
for six years in the National Football League, obviously, the
collegiate efforts at Penn State. Do you still get the
itch when you see guys going to camp? Do you
miss any of it at this point or are you
far enough a renewed removed by chasing your kids that
(38:42):
that's another lifetime ago.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It does feel like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Ten years is an awful long time to be out
of football when you think about my professional career was
six years, my playing career at Penn State was five.
I only really played got field time for four of those,
so I just about you know, lapped or I shouldn't
say lap, but it just about eclipsed the length of
(39:09):
time that actually played football at the collegiate or professional
level in my retirement.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
But yeah, there's still an itch there.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
There's still feelings this time of year where you don't
you don't really understand why, but I guess, I guess
really it just comes down to habit forming.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
You get a little.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Surly, you know, you get a little uncomfortable, you get
a little eager or anxious during this time of year.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
If you're a former pro or a former.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Collegiate athlete who which recently hung up the cleats because
you've done it your whole life. This is the time
of year where you have to start ramping up and
you start you have to start, you know, butting heads again,
and it's yeah, it's hard to lay down that sword.
And so every once in a while, I'll see a trade,
I'll see clips from a training camp practice on Twitter now,
and you'll have almost like one of those you know,
(40:01):
it almost looks like one of those Tom Cruise war
movie flashbacks where you just all of a sudden lost
in your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
And uh and you see.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The screens sort of fading to a moment and then
all of a sudden you snap out of it because
you know you're you're burning the toast.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Or you know, you know, the kids yelling your.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Head to be careful with the burning toast, because you
know that that implies some other things.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Oh yeah, it could be a stroke. Could that's also true? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Yeah, if you smell burned toast, apparently you're supposed to
stop dropping roller. I'm not exactly sure you do it
the stroke, but haven't had one yet, fortunately, But yeah,
it's uh, it's definitely that time of year that that
excites the the the god of war inside of all
former athletes.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
I guess well, it's funny though, right, being in this
business obviously football.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I don't want to say it's.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Easier, but it's easier programming, right, b Block, Cowboys, seed block?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
What are we doing?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Those kinds of things were you know?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I like the quote hard part of the season where
we get to stretch our legs a little bit and
find some of these secondary stories. But once football rolls around,
to me, it's the all right, it means podcast come back,
more radio appearances during the week.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
A bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
So you start ramping up in psychologically getting yourself ready
for that, right, yeah, all right. The games become available
off the NFL's platform right as of midnight on Sunday night.
You can go back and watch the condensed games, So
you're up till four in the morning and watching games
and making notes if you're a nerd like me. For
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you everybody else, you just watch a couple of highlights
and extrapolate from there and maybe read a box scord too.
But yeah, it's that exciting time of year. The Bears
will be on hard knocks. I don't know how I'm
how great that'll be for the process. Hopefully they don't
look as dumb as the Giants have in the preseason
hard knocks. I mean rich, they opened the doors and
(41:58):
I thought they still had something of an edit process
as the team and write a refusal on some of
the footage.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
How did they think any of.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
These things, from from Barkley to Dable salivating over the
quarterbacks and anything else?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
How did they think that was gonna make them look
any good?
Speaker 6 (42:13):
I don't really understand how they they thought it was
going to go. But my guess is, however they thought it.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Was going to go, it went the opposite.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Like I imagine when the cameras left the facility and
you know day Ball or you know Joe Shane or
you know whoever was the what was his name, Jim
Mara when with the yeah, John Myra, Yeah, when when
he left the facility and they all went home and
(42:42):
they tried to imagine what the production crew was going
to do in editing. I think most people believe they're
the protagonist of their story, you know, not the antagonist.
And unfortunately for the Giants, everybody affiliated with the Giants
right now is the antigt.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
There there are no heroes in this story. Right now.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
It's just saying from me, one of them, an underdog
will emerge. Somebody, let me be your hero, singing like
you're Enrique Iglesias.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Yeah, it isn't there. I promise you it's a there's
no heroes there. Look Daniel Jones, he can at times
really look solid. I mean he he've had he's had
a couple of a couple of seasons now where he's
flirted with looking like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
The problem is he's had a lot of bad ones.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
And when when you're injury prone and you've had a
bunch of real rough seasons mixed in or bad moments
mixed in with the good moments, you really you start
to think to yourself, I mean, can this guy?
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Can this guy start in this league?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I mean they just paid him like he was a
top of the second tier quarterback.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Can and and can he even start in this league
like that?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
That's where we're at now with Daniel Jones. So a
lot to be proved at that position. Frankly, a lot
to be proved at the head coaching position. I wouldn't
be I wouldn't be be completely shocked if this season
John Mara and company decide to see what Brian Dabole,
who is a supposed quarterback whisper, can do with Daniel Jones,
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and if it goes better than advertised, better than they thought,
they hang on to him, and maybe not Daniel Jones,
but they hang on to Da Ball. If this goes sideways, though,
I think the whole team gets cleared out. I think
they're going to start from scratch. I think it'll be
quarterback and head coach and everybody.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Associated with both.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
It's going to be a fire sale and we're scrapping
this and we're starting over.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Again, one hundred percent at Hornberger where you find him
on Twitter. You hear him every morning seven sixty down
in San Dieg. You can find that on the iHeartRadio app.
Of course, Saturday mornings he's with Brian and Jared talking
all things, wagering that college football wagering coming back soon.
And then on Sunday he's trying to calm down Steve
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Hartman for whatever he's ranting about in a given moment.
But you know, the Giants not one of the training
camps I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
They would rank towards the bottom.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
And we'll wait and see and again Jones a guy
that you know, hopefully he can stay upright because you
saw some good things two years ago and then rough
start to the year, neck injury, all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
But that's another here or other.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
That's that's regular season with Bill Belichick still lurking out there,
your former coach, trying to find himself a way back
into the league. So the Giants being one of those
teams where it's like, oh, maybe for sensibility purposes, conna happen.
But I look at from interesting camps selfishly, you know,
Steven and Justin working with the broadcast team with the Chargers,
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I'm very excited about the Jim Harbaugh era, you know,
relentless enthusiasm and bringing in the former Ravens backs and
seeing what they do with Justin Herbert as they move forward.
So selfishly because it's localized, Rich, I mean, they're number
one on the board for me because I think Harbaugh
himself is just a fascinating study.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
I agree, I think it's a fascinating training camp. If
I were to rattle off my top five, let's go,
and I want you to stop me where you find
interest or maybe at the end of the list we
could review.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Sure, yeah, because I've got my five written down as well.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
So okay, I'll give you these five and you tell
me which ones you want to hear from Deeper dive. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Browns, Eagles.
Those are the five that I think are the most
fascinating heading into training camp. And that again, Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Brown's, Eagles.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Okay, yeah, each one of them has a massive story.
The Patriots one, I guess is just it swirls in
the background for me, but it's at your former team.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Yeah, it's plain to me. Well, so that one, it's
it's basically twofold. So there wasn't a lot of thought
process around Demko Ryans getting anything done with the Houston
Texans when he took on the head coaching job, and
you saw what a great, not a good, but a
great rookie quarterback can do to a franchise With an
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eager and hungry head coach who really did a nice
job shaping out a defense after time and creating an
atmosphere that players wanted to win.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
There was no give up there in Houston.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
Girad mal very similar path went from being a linebacker
in this league straight into the coaching headset. And he
obviously played understudy to Bill Belichick and rose through the
ranks and he earned this job. And so going from
defensive coordinator to head coach in this league right now,
that is not the topic du jour. People really think
(47:59):
you need an offense of mind. Did head coach have success? Well,
Damika Ryans kind of flipped, you know, his his four
fingers off his chin to the rest of the league
and said, you know, watch me dance.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
I could do it.
Speaker 6 (48:09):
And he did, and and I'm telling you right now,
it's a dance beat that a lot of other teams
should follow.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Look for a leader.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Mike Tomlin defensive mind to head coach, but he's a leader.
Tamika Ryans defensive head coach, but he's a leader. Darrod Mayo.
If Drake may has the goods, look out. I think
I think the Patriots could be one of those sneaky teams.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
They're playing in a tough division.
Speaker 6 (48:35):
But if it goes well during training camp, and we'll
see what the reports look like with Drake may that's
gonna be the lynchpin here. But if it goes well
during training camp, the Patriots all of a sudden could
become one of those very interesting teams in their early seasons.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, I like the cut of your gym. That's a
fine explanation. And you tie in Houston because that's a
team that obviously is on everybody's radar. So you know,
I kind of have them and the Bears as they
go towards the Hall of Fame game, we'll get to
see the Bears play out on hard knocks. But remember
last year, if the Bears stayed where they were in theory,
you could have taken CJ. Straft yep, would you have necessarily?
(49:09):
Because I love all the revisionist history of it, all right,
because go back to twenty seventeen when everybody's like, well,
they could have had Mahomes if they didn't do that
stupid traubisky things like no, no, no. The guy they
would have drafted if you went from pure logic and
where they were, would have been to Shaun Watson. Now, dude,
the compare contrast of what Deshaun Watson is was as
(49:29):
a player in the off field. That's the guy you
probably would have selected if you were just going off
the resume and expectations. And then you move forward to
last year. Would they have chosen him or Bryce Young?
I don't know, but they get their second bite of
the apple with all of the trades and a bolstered
offense around Caleb Williams. So those two teams I think
are kind of tied together. You mentioned Cleveland because again
(49:52):
it is to Deshaun Watson. You got a roster that
you love right defensively, some weaponry comes back off injury.
All of that it plays together. So all of it
goes back to you did really well with backup tertiary quarterbacks,
Joe Flacco off the couch. What does it look like
this year in a tough division where the Steelers have
(50:14):
the Russell Wilson justin fields battle Cowboys are always interesting
just because. And then the Eagles. One of the subplots
to all of this was, you know, the Sirianni and
Jalen Hurts relationship after the changing out of the coordinators. Rich,
I mean that second half of the season they only
got saved from some of the bad headlines because the
Jaguars were such a mess.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, that's why the Eagles made
my list as well. I mean the Browns obvious reasons,
look that's a playoff team with Joe Flacco and the
five other quarterbacks who appeared other or four other than
Deshaun Watson. I'm curious if he could carry a whole season.
They still don't have that answer. And the Eagles, like
you just mentioned, I mean, Sirianni is a heartbeat away
(50:57):
from losing this job. It all comes down to the
season to keep the band together at Philly. So it's
gonna be a very very interesting situation out there during
training camp as well.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
All Right, the rest of my list, I had the
Chargers up top, mentioned the Bears slash Taxa.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Those are not here. They're there Arizona. I'm still a
Kyler guy.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
It's like I root for all the older guys in
the league to keep playing, so I don't feel so old.
Rich is also the you know, any guy that's about
my height or thereabouts I have to cheer for. So
Kyler Murray coming back looked pretty good in spots last year.
We'll see if that can continue now that you bring
in Marvin Harrison Junior the Colts and Anthony richardson a
team that is built and constructed pretty interestingly in a
(51:41):
division that I think is going to be cannibalism.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah right, when you look.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
At what Because I'm a Will Levis guy, So I'm
gonna put Tennessee in as my fifth squad, staying a
lot of AFC South in a division outside of Houston.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Nobody wants to talk about That's right.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
If we can do the Jaguars another time, I'm sure
you'll be with me before long, So plenty of time
for Jaguars talk on the program. He's Rich Ornberger in
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Coming up.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
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to term it today against Germany and a big honor
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