Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon debate whether the NCAA suspending Jim Harbaugh is good or bad for Michigan. The guys tell you exactly how the 4 NFL QB derbies end for Week 1. Does Mike Macdonald have what it take to be a head coach in Seattle.  And our guy Rich Ohrnberger drops in for all BIG stories from the NFL!

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Greetings, Welcome inside, Happy Wednesday Jason Smith Show with my.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
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winning streak after breaking the twenty one game losing streak
to Chicago. Oh oh wait wait wait, oh uh, I'm sorry, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
No, you know we got that big call last night.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
We we created an earthquake with the thunderous round of
applause and excitations and the Fox sports radio studios.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I don't think that's the word. What No, just keep going,
you just keep Hi, was just throwing in. You said excitations.
I don't think excitations is world Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
If nothing else, the Beach Boys used it, so it's
part of American culture.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Excitations. Let's say excitation, excitation.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
A good vibrations, Okay, excitation, excitation.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Excitation is a word, but it means the application of
energy to a particle object for physical system.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
We gave it a lot of energy and it created
five earthquake in the Los Angeles area.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I did not misspeak, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
All right, you're you know you're you're trying to find
the definition to fit what you said.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
But that's fine. It's absolutely fun. Did I say that
was wrong? Go back and play the tape. Did we
create Okay, we created particles all of a sudden, we're
on house.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now, that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
I downed a bottle of expired pills that I found
in a random cabinet, and we created energy and launched
into a separate timeline. All of those things are true.
But yeah, we're back to normal.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Buddy. Take it to nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Lead you get a couple of home runs and everybody's excited,
and my guy sound and tripping on the broadcast sounded
more excited by the home runs today that he did
the win last night. I think maybe Uh, the abuse
he took on social media, uh and on the score
in Chicago probably got to him. But then the seventh
inning happened and all was right with the world.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
House is a munich, Globulin's a spike.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
He's gonna eat surgery now house half house house has
so yes. A day after breaking that win streak, the
White Socks go down to defeat three two to the A's,
starting a new losing streak at one.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah. I mean the A's are only twenty games under
five hundred.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, the the A's look like the Phillies compared to
the White Sox, and we're twenty games under.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Look at that like awesome, even though nobody like they
need the calm and quiet of playing at home because
they are twenty nine and thirty at home.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, I know they are. They are.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Uh, you were nobody there but possum's rats and whatever
other assorted vermin.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Up in the seventh and then then you lost three
to two.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's what we do.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's White Sox baseball. So you're now Curtis Martin, Steve Smith,
that's your record.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
The guys, big question to ask you, what do you
got for Frostburg.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Now we partied last night. We yes, the White Sox
won a game. Yeah, what what is the celebration if
they somehow win two?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Do you think we have to worry about that?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I thought you were going to go again a way.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, I thought you were gonna go the other way
and say they still have plenty of time to truly
break the other record.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'm trying to talk last night celebration. If they pull
it off, I don't know what tops a five point
seven earthquake.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
It is hard the White Sox winning and then the
ground shaking at your feet for the White Sox winning
all the way.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
You're gonna forget where you guys were.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
If they do well, they would two in a row.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, no, no, you're right, you're right, But again, I
don't know how much you really have to worry about that.
Like me, this is like the Jets saying, you know,
we worry about where we're going to have our our
our our parade, Like what's the route going to be
down Madison Avenue or is it gonna be down Fifth
A Like, let's let's let's let's.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Worry about that when it happened. I don't know we
need to worry about that right now.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
It's one of those guys on the final day of
his summer internship. He's done all his work or she is.
They've they've put in their paperwork and they've got to
finish out today.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Hey, plan the plan the parade route, will you?

Speaker 5 (04:55):
It's never gonna have it, but you're not gonna spend
any real resources on that. And Joe, all of a sudden,
you realize you're needing a wait, they just drew on
the back of a piece of paper in crayon.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
To Jason Smith Show with the Mike Carbon Live from
the tirec dot Com Studios. A little more baseball coming up,
Phillies and Dodgers getting set to go again.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
In a few minutes from Dodger Stadium.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Meanwhile, big news in football today, and look, this is
NFL at College involving Jim Harbaugh, who got handed a
four year show cause penalty for recruiting violation stemming back
from the dead period during COVID in twenty twenty. Now
this is independent of the sign stealing investigation in which

(05:38):
Harbaugh suspended for three games. They suspended him again for
three games. This is different from that. This goes all
the way back. It's nice the NCAA getting around to
this four years after this happened.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Well, why would you change your processes I've been doing
for all these years.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
We'll make sure these kids are in seventh grade.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
They know the value of making a choice, Like, hey, guys,
you wanted to go there?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Good luck.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, he's getting ready to collect his pension and now
we're gonna come down. Guy worked a long career for
the Post Office or some sort of civil service, saying wait,
I did what when?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
How? Yeah? So what we do?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
So what does this mean? Right?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
He's he gets a four year show cause order for
impermissible contact with recruits and players when access was restricted
during COVID, meaning if he goes back to college football,
he is under sanctioned for four years, and the first
year he is hired, he is not allowed to coach.
So if a school wants to hire him that first year,
he cannot be involved with the football team. Jim Harbo

(06:39):
saying I did the college football thing I won a
national championship with my alma mater.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
You really think I'm going back? Really?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Really, guys, did you think I'm going back? Look, this
is one of those first things. It tells you a
couple before. There's a big takeaway from this, But first
of all, you could see how the NCAA really hates
Jim Harbor. Right, We're gonna come back at you after
this and give you this penalty four years after this happened,
and after we just suspended you for three years or
for three games. Last game you suspended for yourself because

(07:06):
you wanted to get ahead of the NCAA for three games.
I mean this, this tells you really when we said
all last year, remember the nca hates Jim Harbaugh Man,
they hate him, They absolutely hate him. And this shows you. Now,
is this a big deal now? Because Harball's gone, He's
in the NFL. If I thought for a second he
would come back to college football, I would say, Okay,

(07:26):
you know what, this is a big deal. But he's
gonna coach. He's gonna coach in the NFL and then
he's gonna be done. He could he had his dream job.
You know, he's not gonna go back and say I'm
really gonna start over with a small program in the South,
and really I'm gonna build them back. I'm gonna go
coach a Vanderbilt or I'm gonna go No, he's not
gonna do that, right, So this is not that big
a deal. It's the nca saying, hey, we want to
show you that we still hate you. Want to make

(07:48):
sure you don't remember, Hey, we still hate you. Just
know that we hate you, and if you ever really
wanted to come back, we want to close the door
as much as possible. So all this stuff, all the
n said, Look, look what the NCAA is doing to
Jim Harbaugh after he has gone from college football and
into the NFL. They hate him. They have had the
dislike for him. That's how we got we got today.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Well, you know, you go through the processes and you
wait till it all comes out.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
He said, look, I've got nothing to apologize for. We
talked about it a little bit yesterday. What if Roger
Goodell decided to, uh, hey, I said, president, many years ago,
when a college kid, oh broke some rules and went
and traded some stuff for some tattoos and suspended Treill
prior and upheld it for five games. What if Roger

(08:33):
Goodell went out of his way to say, hey, you
know what, we've done this before.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
He won't. I want to say that I think has
done that.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
The NFL has done that before, if I remember right,
they did suspend a coach or coach a coach got
hired at some point, and because of what happened in college,
he had to be suspended for the beginning of his run.
As I'm trying to think who it was, it escapes
me off the top of my head. But I know
that's happened in the past. Not saying he's going to
do this, but I know that's actually happened in the past.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, so you've got the precedent has been set.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Again, don't believe that it'll happen.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
But with Harbaugh, I mean, his agent had the greatest
statement ever written. You know, made his high school yearbook
analogy whatever. I was a little bit clunky, but the
points still held of you know, your high school while
you're in the middle of your college career coming back
and saying, hey, you didn't sign this yearbook thing. And

(09:27):
again it could have been a better analogy, but the
point just being he's got eighty million dollars, he's in
the pros, beat it go, pound sand, which is really
where we're at in this And if Harbaugh would come back,
the only play's coming back is if miss Michigan's gone
to hell and he comes back to save and restore. Although, folks,
you know, in all of these stories with Harbor, I
always got to remember, remind folks, remember when you were

(09:49):
all calling for him to be fired before all of
the last couple of years, which coincidentally have all the
stallions allegations tied to just throwing it out there. He
was not getting it done at Michigan, and we were
on air yelling at folks saying, hey, what did you expect?

(10:10):
You got chem Beckler and a long line of men,
Lloyd Carr and a long line of Hey, and this
coming from the Northwestern guy. I know, but it's not
about my team. It's about the history of Michigan football.
But for Jim Harbaugh, this is a whole lot of nothing.
He's gonna probably have another great statement and with his
relentless enthusiasm and attack the day, talk about drinking milk

(10:31):
or something like that, and they're gonna go on and
get ready for the twenty twenty four season. For More
and everybody else still at Michigan, is there stuff to
be concerned about? Yeah, because clearly they've got an ax
to grind. So for those still in the program, this
doesn't end. But for Jim Harbaugh, no, I mean he's
not going back anytime soon because that would have meant

(10:54):
catastrophic returns from the Chargers. And I see billboards alongside
accident attorneys that is not happening.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
See.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Here's the thing, though, is I'm going the other way.
I don't think it's a big deal for Michigan either.
All this stuff the last couple days. Of course, this
plays into the NCAAA investigating Michigan. They found out Sharon Moore,
the head coach, had text with Connor Stallions that were
deleted on the day that the report came out. Today,
Michigan's got somebody videotaping on the sidelines. So here they
are coming in and the NCAA is coming to town

(11:25):
for Michigan, you know. Here and here they are doing
it right when the season's going to start, which is
just bleeping ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Right, this is everything they've done forever, right, this is
this is the NCAA because they would have been lost
in the news cycle if it had happened in May.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, but this is something that I'm not worried about
because if they really were going to do this, they
would have already hammered Michigan. If they wanted to right Michigan,
they their head coach served in theory or in reality,
a half year suspension last year. Yes, you want to
go after him, but he's gone now, so you give
this big one. This is the big thing to say. Okay,

(12:02):
Jim Harbar, you're gone now. We're gonna show you we
hate you. Were gonna make it really hard for you
to come back to college football. Okay, are you really
gonna come down incredibly hard on Michigan now after this?
Probably not?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
All right. First of all, if you're on Moore, what's
he gonna get.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Maybe he gets a three game suspension to start the season,
which is not that big a deal. There will be
some kind of minor penalty that Michigan will be able
to overcome. It's not gonna be something that sets them
back where, hey, you're ineligible for the postseason.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
We're not getting going to take the national title. Away.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
It will be something very minor. I'm not worried about
that for Michigan, and for the other reason is because
are you really.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Gonna do this to Michigan.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Michigan is the biggest of big business for college football.
They are the rockstar program. They wouldn't do this to Alabama, right,
They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it to anybody,
Ye would Nick Saban, No, that's not happening. Michigan is
big business. Michigan is great for college football. If you're
talking about an ineligible Michigan team, suddenly it's whoa, whoa, whoa.
You have networks on the phone going, we got all
these Michigan games we pay Hang on a second, Hang on, Hey,

(13:02):
didn't didn't Michigan do enough? Didn't you penalize Harball? Didn't
he you have a six game suspension next year? Michigan's
not We got Michigan Iowa. We got Michigan, Michigan State,
we got Michigan Penn State.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Hang on a second.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Michigan is the official big noon kickoff team of Fox.
You're gonna do that at Michigan is big business for
college football. Do you really think they're gonna be ineligible again.
Like any other big program. This is not something where
all of a sudden, in retrospect now a year later,
they're gonna say, oh yeah, now we're gonna hammer you.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
It will be something minor.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
And then then in the totality you can say, all right,
so you had half a season for Harball, you had
whatever gains for Sharon Moore, whatever, you want to get
some sort of of probationary period. You can't have any
more infractions, or they'll cut scholarships a little bit. There
will be that kind of stuff, but it's not gonna
be anything. Michigan can't overcome it. Okay, here it is,

(13:52):
but you should be okay. But we want to show
you that we're you know, we're nervous about this. We
don't want this to happen again again. Look, they should
have handled it. If they really wanted to handle it,
they would have said, Michigan, you're ineligible for the playoff.
Go through the whole season, after the Ohio State game,
guess what, You're ineligible for the playoff. That way, it's okay,
Well you're taking somebody else. Somebody else is coming in,
somebody else is gonna be on TV. In the final

(14:12):
four games, and it's not as big a deal. You
had chance to get it done. Now suddenly a whole
year later, you're gonna come back and say, Okay, now
we're throwing the book at you.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I'm not concerned. It'll be very minor for Michigan.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Well yeah, I mean, and again, this isn't about the
signe stealing. This goes back to the COVID and recruiting
and cheeseburgers and all the chuckles that we had back
in the day. But it's all the you know, adding
up the cumulative effect to it all. But yeah, business
always wins. And it's the NCAA while they still have
the stationery and they haven't closed the doors yet like

(14:44):
the PAC twelve that they've got to feel like they
still got something done because then they can throw himself
a big lunch and and pat themselves on the back.

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Speaker 3 (15:00):
They text me, they email what's going on? What have
you heard?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I'm like, you don't have anything to worry about. So
if it's all to realize that it's not just you know,
you listening that I'm responsible to. I got people that
I that I go to their house for Thanksgiving that
are telling me, Hey, you were wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
You were so again.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
When I tell you I'm not worried, I'm really not worried.
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Guess what Mike and I will tell you how all

(15:38):
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Speaker 3 (17:21):
Up in a second.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Just think about this, you know you're looking for a
bright side of the Jim Harbaugh. Sorry, right here comes
the NCAA to town. What's going on with Michigan.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
He answered all the questions yesterday a Chargers camp about it,
and he's you know, focused with a laser like mentality
of being able to lift up his RV and throwing
it into the end zone and making sure that the
whole team season. You know, just think about this for
a second.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think about the head coaches that the Chargers have had
the last few years. How excited are you that it's like, Hey,
this coach will do anything to win.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
This is exactly what we did. Is what we've been missing.
We need a.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Guy that will do stuff like, hey, we'll get the
signals from the other team to go win. We need
a guy like this. We don't need a guy that
just says, ah, let's go for it on fourth down?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Why why not? Oh great, let's do it. Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now they want they're like they're excited to have a
guy like Harball who will do stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean, look, he didn't he didn't deny anything.
He just said he didn't want to apologize for it.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm not saying this is all completely out of left field.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm just saying I'm not gonna.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Apology, not gonna get an apology for me.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Oh no.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
But but that's the thing, right, you're talking about the margins.
You know, we've used long the hermed whards. You can
go either, you know, don't hits end and all that stuff,
or you have the analogy of sweeping a room. Everybody
does the middle of the floor, nice and easy looks
for you know, the approval from the parental figure or whatever.
But then it's all about what's in the corners. Jim

(18:51):
Harball likes to.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Live in the corners.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
It's all about attention to detail and precision and you know,
relentless enthusiasm and running you over.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
So all of those things.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Come together to say, yeah, you should be in a
feeling really good about what's about to transpire here in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
All right, So now when you take a look around
the NFL, we have news. Look, there's four, big quarterback
Derby's going on right now. New England's got like a
pseudo quarterback Derby. It's like, well, we think maybe Drake
may at some point, but now not for now. And
per Sex number one, and you know, maybe Joe Milt,
but there's no Derby going there's no competition, nothing to
see here.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, the leader in the clubhouse step forward.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Now, everybody just stepped back.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You are talking about Pittsburgh, Denver, Vegas, and.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Minnesota, right, so let's tell you how.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'll tell you how all these are going to go
and where we're going to be sitting for week one.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Let's start with Minnesota first. Okay, because this is easy.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Sam Darnold will start JJ McCarthy by mid season, all right,
McCarthy's sitting now, is okay. You're starting over in Minnesota, right,
You're not starting over like three years, but okay, it's
a bit of a restart with a jump. It's not
gonna be the worst thing in the world for McCarthy
to sit for the first few games and really get
what it's like to be an NFL player.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I thought he was overdrafted. I don't think he's gonna
be great, but he's going to play. He's a first
round pick. Donald will start. We have seen Sam Donald
start before. You know, he's capable of certain things. But
it will be McCarthy by mid season. I can't see
there being anything where suddenly all JJ McCarthy's gonna suddenly
kick it up ten notches in the next three weeks

(20:31):
and you're gonna start him. You don't want to start
them too early. You don't want to make things bigger
than it is. It's gonna be. It's gonna be Donald
and then McCarthy by mid season.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Well, the week six is thereby, let's go through their schedule,
shall we. All right at the.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Giants, cool opportunity to go way at the front office
and everybody that's watched the things for the Giants. Okay,
so maybe one to er, but then you've got San
Francisco and Houston at home on the road at Green Band,
and then you get the Jets at home week six.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
By so week seven, plenty of time to coach him up.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
So JJ McCarthy makes his debut with another home game
against the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Look, this is how it's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
This is the easiest one, right, everybody's on board where
it no one's upset, there's no oh if you do this,
and no, so Minnesota is the easy one.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
That's too bad because you got you do have a
lot of offensive talent. And now you're just kind of shrugging.
And again you're sitting right now.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I've watched Sam Darnold play quarterback. I'm not worried about
suddenly look how good he is in his seventh offensive system.
He's finally figured out. No guys like Donald and Zach Wilson.
I'm not worried about these guys suddenly finding it in
a new location.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I'm not gonna lie, though, I am cheering like hell
for it. Not that they necessarily win a bunch of teams.
I mean again, Bears win a bunch of games, and
that the team has great success. But I hope it's
not because he throws up on himself. I hope he
looks good. So there's at least enough of you going.
I gotta sit here with Rogers, assuming Rogers is still there,

(22:03):
and week eight, when we're still talking about the jetson.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Now for the Raiders, this one is pretty simple because
there's only one problem with the with the quarterback derby
they have the only one problem with Gardner Minshew and
aid and O'Connell. There's only one problem with these guys.
One problems. One problem. That's only one problem. You're surprising, right,
but there's only one problem with these two. You're gonna
one problem boil it down to brass tacks, all right,
only one problem is only one problem with Aidan O'Connell

(22:28):
and Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Let me raise my hand and ask the question like
horsehack at the shack of the welcome back cotter, because
we have an audience that spans like generations here, ooh, ooh, ooh,
what's that problem, mister Cotta.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
They both stink. That's the problem. They both stink. Look
actually done. Look neither of them were lighting it up
so far in preseason, and and maybe right now Gardner
Minshew leads by a little bit. But if it comes
down to a toss up between Gardner Minshew and aid

(23:03):
and O'Connell, what are you gonna do? Well, let's go
with Gardner minshewho's been in the league for eight years now.
We know he's a backup who can start if you
need him to. He's the perfect backup. That's Gardner Minshew's
he's a little flaky. He's fun if he needs to
play a couple of times. Hey, he's an energetic guy.
He is the perfect backup. No, you're gonna go with
the younger guy. And granted, Aidan O'Connell is only twenty

(23:23):
to only three years younger, but you're gonna go with
a guy who's been in the league for a year.
That has upside that maybe after his first year, first
another camp, getting way more reps. So if it comes
down to it, and it's even, they'll go with aid
and O'Connell to start the season.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, I know DeVante Adams. Remember when he was doing
like ninety seven media appearances. I think we're the only
show he didn't come on.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, that's okay, true brees didn't get.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Off the line. So I mean, we'll get him on again.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
We'll get him on when the Jets get him. We'llet
him on with the Jets. Okay, So there you go.
That'll be a big coup as it were.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
But he kind of half assed indoorsed to O'Connell at
that point. Now, it was early in camp, but seems
like he's established enough of a rapport last year that
thought maybe he could take a little bit of a
step forwards. And as we've talked about for years, Gardner
Minshew's that guy you like on your squad, that backup

(24:13):
that can come in for a month and give you
a little bit of energy and excitement and some big
throws and some harrowing throws along the way. But yeah,
O'Connell should win this.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Now let's get to Denver because this is where things
are gonna get a little bit more harrowing. But I
am fully confident by the end of training camp when
the season begins, bo Nix is going to be under center.
I know he just got the designation of quarterback three. Meanwhile,
I guess what bo Nix and jareds did Him are
splitting the number one reps. Zach Wilson is out of
the mix for reps with the first team, right, So

(24:46):
that's that's how far Zach Wilson has fallen already, Hey,
you're not getting reps with the ones, so you're out.
Jared's Didham is not a guy that you will get
by with. He's not, right, Gardner Minshew. If this was
Gardner Minshew and bon I would say okay, no, no,
I can see Gardner Minshew for a few weeks and
then to bon Nicks. But Jared Sidam's not a guy
that you go, yes, this is our guy. He's never

(25:07):
proven himself, he's never proven he can do anything. He's
there to push Bonnicks to make it seem like there's
an alternative, but I guarantee you the big evil plot
of that you're looking at in Denver with Sean Payton says, Hey,
this is what I'm doing right now. I'm gonna challenge
bon Nicks. I'm gonna see if he's my guy. It's
a big social experiment. Let's see how it goes. And

(25:28):
if it plays out the way I think it's gonna
play out, Bonnicks is gonna energize the team. He's gonna
really step up, and he's going to be the quarterback
week one. If they had another guy that you could play,
I would say you'll sit bon Nicks. But really, Jared
Sidam's not a guy you can play. He's not to
Rod Taylor. He's not a guy you can start. He's
not Shoby Brissett. He's just a guy. So yeah, when
it comes down to it, Bonnicks is starting. And if

(25:48):
he's not. That's a huge red flag for bon Nicks.
If he can't come out of this training, can't be
in the starting quarterback well.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Jared Stidham year or two with the the Broncos, Remember
he was being coached up by a four former defensive
coordinator turned offensive coordinator as a member.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Of the I'm not saying.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
They really help you that he was a raider for
crying out loud.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Again, I'm not saying we don't know what he is.
He's a jag. So unless bo Nicks again, is is
just that awful? You got to figure out what you
have a earlier rather than later. I mean, saving him
for good when you're a team projected to be in
the bottom three for win total, is it really helping you?

Speaker 7 (26:36):
Know?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
The Sean Payton era push forward? Right, You need to
know what you've got and make that determination early on.
Uh So, go take your lumps and get acclimated to
life in the NFL. The Jason Spencer with Mike Carbon
Live from the Tyreck dot Com Studios.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
All right, so that's three quarterback Derby's. Now we get
to the big one.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Why Zach Wilson's not involved?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, Zach Zach Wilson's already dropped out of reps for
the the one.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
John Payton had some great quotes in article.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
But what that may be the trade the best traded
the last twenty four years. Wait, the Broncos actually gave
up as something that's an asset for Zach Wilson.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Really, the Jets are able.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Really, Uh, Russell Wilson with a calf injury, isn't going
to play in the Steelers opener. Justin Fields will get
a couple of series uh in their opener, but Wilson
is listed as the starting quarterback on the initial depth chart. Look,
this is going to begin the season. Russell Wilson will start.

(27:34):
But all we've seen in the last week is how
much Justin Fields has impressed the coaching staff, impressed the team.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I knew he was gonna start early. I said by
week five.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
All he's done in the last week is is make
that time frame speed up to maybe it's week three,
because the Steelers aren't going to be if they're coming
out of the first three weeks. They're one and two
with no touchdown. Guess what we gotta go to Justin Fields?
The Steelers are playing this really carefully. They are really
cow telling to everything with Russell Wilson, knowing that, hey,

(28:04):
if we make we can make one move, because who
knows what's gonna happen with ru We may have to
release him if if Russell Wilson loses a starting job.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
They know they can make this move.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Once and Wilson came in and he talks himself up
and all right, they went out to get him.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I can see it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You can you can start Russell Wilson and then eventually
you're gonna go to Justin Fields. But it's gonna happen soon.
Justin Fields is a better quarterback. Wilson still dinged up
a little bit, but it doesn't matter. Field has made plays.
He's gonna be terrific in this offense. And the sooner
he plays, the better. All he's done is is accelerate
that timeline where I'm thinking now it's gonna be week
three instead of week five because Russell Wilson is washed.

(28:42):
He's absolutely washed. So it'll it'll still start Wilson. It'll
upset a lot of people. Boy, Wilson's still starting, but
you're gonna see by the end of September, you will
see Justin Field starting a quarterback for the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
I think the thing that complicates to out of the
jump is the fact that he got hurt on a
dopey exercise when he did the selgh. Remember we talked
about that he got hurt. How do he hurt himself? Well,
he wanted to be one of the guys and they
had the quarterbacks do the sled. Why is the quarterback
doing the sled? Offensive linemen are pushing in front of
you in goal line in short yarded situations, and if

(29:15):
you develop some semblance of the Eagles push push, you're
just getting pushed forward. I know you don't want to
skip leg day. I seem like the quarterbacks and kickers
should have been exempt from that one. So that may
complicate things, is that we screwed it up by getting
him hurt on a drill he shouldn't have been a
part of. But for Justin Fields, Yeah, it's been a

(29:35):
walking running highlight film one day after the next. Just
imagine what happens once Brandon Ayuk shows up and he's
catching passes out there.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Remember I told you they weren't dead Smith.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
But hey, the more time goes on that there's no
deal with the Browns. That opens the door more for
the Steelers to get back in because maybe it's oh,
you're coming back to us now, well, yeah, where's your
off for come down to Because we weren't going to
pay what that last one was. We'll pay something a
little bit less. Now we're still itchit in Brandon. I
you give me a.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Call, sent out the bat signal to Omar Khan and
here we are. But yeah, Justin Fields is on the rise,
and they seem to have found the proper system for
him with Arthur Smith as opposed to whatever you would
call what the Bears were running.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So there you go. There's where your quarterback derbys are
going to be week one.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Some of them will change by the middle of the season,
but week one, that's how it's gonna go. Right now,
we're gonna go to Martin Weiss find out what's trending
in the wide world of sports.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm dub well.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Right now the NL East leading Philadelphia Phillies and A
West leading Los Angeles Dodgers. Right now in Chavez Ravine
two to one, Dodgers lead off home run by Kyle
Schwarmer on the top of the first Dodgers took the
lead back in the bottom on RBI singles from Freddie
Freeman and Miguel Rojas right now top and the second
inning there it's.

Speaker 9 (30:55):
A wild one right now in.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
Pittsburgh as San Diego and Pittsburgh now nine, nine to eight.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You may remember the last time.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
I did this updated was six to six in the
bottom of the ninth all types of runs being scored,
pitchclock violations. Will keep you updated on that one as
things progressed there again nine to eight bottom of the
tenth inning with two outs. Earlier today, the Angels beat
oh Tigers. Just hit a home run three to nothing
over the Mariners. Right now, who would leave the AL
West Angels beat the Yankees eight to two.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
In the Bronx, New York is now tied with Baltimore top.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
The AL East Diamondbacks took both games against the Guardians,
and their double header moved three games three and a
half games back of the Dodgers for the top spot
in the NL West.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Clubs outscored the Twins eight to two.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Minnesota is now three and a half back of Cleveland,
and the Central Astros beat the Rangers six to four.
They're tied with Seattle for the top spot in the
Al West and the White Sox streak lasted one game.
Oakland beat Chicago three to two. Around the NFL, you
guys are just talking about it. The Steelers, they're still alive,
per Mike Harmon and the athletic and talks of the

(31:57):
trading for forty nine ers wires, Brandon Ayuk the Lions.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
The forty nine ers are working on it at finalizing
a deal with the former Lions safety Tracy Walker. As
per Matt Barrows, Walker had forty three career starts, had
a workout today with the San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Speaking of the forty nine Ers.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry running back, they
will not play in the preseason game on Friday against
the Eagles Josh Johnson against the not at quarterback.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Jets.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
Wide receiver Mike Williams activated off the pup list. He's
recovering from a torn acl last season. Falcons wide receiver
Rondell Moore carted off the field earlier today I practice
with an air cast on his right leg. The NFL
has no comment on potential discipline of Jim Harbode. You guys,
are talking about in the first segment and Ezekiel Elliott
per the depth chart just released. The more things says,

(32:47):
the more they say the same. He's back as the
starting tailback for the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Wow, it's like it's twenty sixteen, Martin Wise, where were
you at twenty sixteen?

Speaker 8 (32:56):
Where was I? I was back in Detroit and about
thirty pounds lighter.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I know that. Very nice, my friend, very nice. Uh
So there it is.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'll tell you, Hey, I think we were all thirty
pounds lighter in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm not pretty sure we were.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
At I'm getting lean now. You know, get get people scared.
You know when you when you go to doctors Smith,
they't scared, ye, any when you get older?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Okay, No, that's good. That's good, Norley, say scared me?

Speaker 5 (33:24):
If if you're feeling good, you know, and fat and happy,
that's good bye by me.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
You know what I'm saying is that, Hey, I want
to make everybody feel good about Hey.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Whatever is you go? No, No, I'm the guy that's
lost weight. I'm the guy me. Look at me, I'm
the guy now.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
I had to come to Jesus, is what I was saying. No,
and you want to rub people's noses and it's I
did not. I wasn't doing that at all.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
This guy say not me though. Hey, Hey I'm down, Smith,
Hey I'm down. I'm who are you?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
When people talking you and me? Yeah, that's what you did?
You potted Martin down? And it was you and me?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
How did I didn't pot anybody down? And don't tell
me I'm doing pot on the radio. Don't tag me
with that either.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Stop. How you put on the extra thirty? Don't you
remember those videos?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Exit?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
How about a Fresca exit? Swollen dome? You're still swollen dome.
You would be skinnier dome if it was you.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Still.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know, my head is actually shrinking. My head is shrinking.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
My hat size now with only eight and a quarter,
it is getting smaller and small.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, I'm going for bochee.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon
live from the Tirack dot Com Studios, coming up next
after today. I really wonder if one head coach is
up for his job, if he's got what it takes
to actually be a head coach in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That's next right here, Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmen
Live from the tiraq dot Com Studios. We'll break down
the game of the day coming up in about ten minutes.
But uh, after a day, you know, there comes times
when I see things that happen with a team and
I say, is the head coach really ready for this?

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Is?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Is he ready for what's gonna happen? And certain things.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Sometimes it could be as subtle as something they say
in a postgame, but it's always there's a point sometimes
with coaches, new coaches, where I go, yeah, I don't
know if he's up for this, And it makes me
really nervous about how the season's gonna go. And after
today and after what happened at Seahawks camp today, I'm
nervous that Michael McDonald isn't really up for being a

(35:31):
head coach, isn't ready for what this is gonna gonna
entail because I don't know how much his players respect him.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't know a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
After what happened today, Now you probably heard the headline
DK Metcalf. They probably saw the highlight on NFL network
because it went on behind the guys while they were talking.
After a play that got het a, DK Metcalf took
off one of his teammates hummet and swung it at
him and hit him in the head right.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Whoa, whoa, whoa dude, what is going on here?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
This was part of a practice where five fights broke out,
five including DK Metcalf taking off a guy's helmet and
swinging at his head at it, which, oh, by the way,
is a little bit dangerous, just a tiny bit dangerous.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Michael McDonald's stopped practice after the third fight. They had
a conversation middle of the field after the DK Metcalf
stuff happened, and then they went back to practice. Two
more fights broke out after that. So A, are they
really listening to the coach? And B does he have
control over what's going on? And is he strong enough
to make decisions? This is where, if you're a coach,
you send those guys off the field and say, guys,

(36:36):
you know what we're done.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
We're done.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
You can't, and then you figure out some way till
everybody know you mean business.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
You have a fight in training camp. I get it right.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You get the Giants and Lions going at it, and
Daniel Jones jumps in.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I understand that's part of training camp.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Five fights in one practice and then the coach goes
on TV after an NFL network and says, hey, you
know the guy you know, we had a good conversation.
DK had a great message for the team after practice.
Whoa you let the guy. I guess he's just our receiver.
You know, the guy who took off somebody's helmet and
swung it at somebody could have really hurt him. You
let him talk to the team. You said, hey, we
all talked afterwards. We had a great message. Everything is fine,
and guys are just you know, hey, we don't want

(37:11):
guys fighting, but hey, we just put out and put
everything in a perspective after practice. Hey, I don't think
they're listening to you, and b I don't think you
really know how how to run a team because five fights.
I mean, come on, man, seriously, you let five fights go.
I get you let one fight go, you let two fights,
all right, Well here's the thing. One more happens, But
you had three fights then you talk to the team,

(37:33):
and then they still had two more fights after And
these were all different players, not the same back These
are all different players, So it's not like one guy
just really just had something going nuts today and he
was starting. You had all different players getting caught up
in this. I really I wonder if Michael McDonald is
up for what it means to be an NFL at
coach because this is a big thing today and boy
did he just fail this test.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
See, this is where as a dad of well, they're
now tams, but you know when they were younger and
they'd be, you know, kind of fighting and getting into
each other's space in the back of the car. Now
they drive themselves, but back in the day and be like,
I'll turn this thing around. We're not gonna go out
for dinner. I'm gonna turn this thing around. And then
they do it again. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
We're still two miles away from where we're headed.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
And then eventually you just go to dinner because you're
hungry and you don't really do anything about it. And
the way back like all right, well you're gonna go straight.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
To your room.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
It's like, ah, they were going straight to their room anyway,
because it was the end of the night.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
It was time for sleep.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
But that's McDonald here. I want to know what the
message from metcalf was. Hopefully there's some audio that leaks
out of that. The hell don't touch me.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I just if you want to grab somebody's helmet, make
sure you're grabbed by the face mask and yay cacause
their head will come down.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
You can pull it right off.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Then when you swing it, make sure you're holding the
face mask and you can get your real hand around
and you get control. If you're just holding it by
the back of it or by the ear hole, you
can up your finger or something.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Now you've got to be there, could hold on that,
you swing.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That thing just roundhouse on somebody at the top of
their head.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Yeah, because your fingers are important and obviously you don't
want to, you know, have some range of motion that
hurts your rotator cuff, because now you range emotion is
gonna be limited. You're not gonna be able to lay
yourself out from when one of our quarterbacks gives us
an errand ball to catch as you make fun of
your own squad. But yeah, guys are in a good spot.

(39:26):
But reminding them why they're out here, what we're trying
to get it accomplished, talking about you know, we've been
plugged fighting against each other and all that. Yeah, that's
a great talking point. Uh, this is just a terrible Look,
what's what's the fine? Right fights?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I don't even know if there is, Well, the league's
got to come in, don't they. I mean, even if
even if they're just beating the hell out of themselves,
if it's the league is gonna say, hey, you just
uh yeah, we had a guy take off his hell
and take off somebody's helmet. If it was in the
middle of an NFL network live shot right behind it. Yeah, hey, listen,
we're gonna scrub that video from our website so no
one can have it.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
And you know, there's a app that keeps getting advertised
on my Instagram account.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
That'll work that out for.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
People will forget about a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
My favorite line was when he was asked an NFL
network hey, hey, where's the line drawn when it comes
to fighting at practice?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
He said, quote, we're right on the line right now.
You went five fights. You can't even see the line.
The line is so far behind you It's like season
two of True.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Detective when Vince Vaughn's wife tells him, all, honey, you
stop walking all the way back there, and Vince Vaughn
turns around and he's lying dead, like fifty yards behind me.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Was walking like, dude, you can't even see the line.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
We were up to the line. You passed that line, man,
it's gone swing that helmet, man. What's wonder is he
doing this in Seattle? Coming up next, we break down
the game of the day.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Next Fox, your career home runs Smith to twenty nine
batting average.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
And now he's got way more home runs in his
career batting average. Look at that.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
We got more baseball on the way. Clearly it is
a big night. Look the Mets win, So that's a
big night here. You it's a big night in the NFL.
What isn't a big night. We got training camp fights,
We got quarterbacks and head coaches who can't get along.
We got quarterbacks losing wait because they felt fat. There
is no one better to talk to. Been a longtime
friend of the show. He is a doctor. At least

(41:19):
we say he is. Former Chargers star. Our teammate here
at Fox Sports Radio, hear him on the weekends.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
He fills in here on the show and Mike Orry
are out. It is doctor Rich Ordenberger. Ritchie, Oh what's
happening man?

Speaker 9 (41:31):
Oh my gosh, I'm doing a rain dance.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
I'm waiting for the season to begin. I'm trying to
will it sooner. I don't know if it's working, but
been in the yard for a long time. Actually, miss
you guys on the first lap. Glad to meet you
on the third here. So let's do it.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
While you were out there trying to attack your rain
dance with relentless enthusiasm, don't you right?

Speaker 7 (41:53):
That's right, with enthusiasm and vigor not seen in San
Diego County in quite time.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
No, I know what Rich was doing all Lamar Jackson
said he lost thirty pounds this offseason because he felt fat.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
That was a big quote that I felt fat. I
felt slow, And guys.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Like me and Rich are saying, okay, well, if he
lost thirty pounds, that's food that's not being eaten. He
and I need to make sure that that food gets eaten.
So this is what we do at night now, Rich,
you and I are doing our part in the story.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
Well, actually, Jason I've turned over a new lea if
I saw that weight loss story and I bought a
total gim the perfect push up. I bought a bowflex,
a Nordic track, and I'm waiting for delivery. And at
that point, because like you know, I look back on
twenty twenty two and I say, I just look fat
and slow. I mean I'm fast, but I felt slow,

(42:42):
and so I want to get faster. And so that
first step for you there, Yeah, it's all about burst
and explosion. You guys know it's it's I mean, if
you look, if you look up my scouting, my draft profile, burst, explosion, acceleration.
These are words that were synonymous with Schornberger leaving Penn
State all those years ago.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
All right, hang on rich Ornberger draft profile. I find
I find none of those words.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
Yeah, well you gotta scroll maybe like maybe even a
couple there.

Speaker 9 (43:13):
It's there, It's all there. You know, I wouldn't read
too deeply into it, you know, in.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
Fact, maybe just get out of that close that tap,
just close that tab altogether.

Speaker 9 (43:20):
That'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Here it is.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
If you do rich Ornberger draft profile and you hit return,
the first thing that comes up is where it says
x pats O L. Rich Ornberger admits the intentionally wrecked
car is excuse for being late to team meeting.

Speaker 7 (43:34):
That's the first match, so listen, I remember that story, Rich,
Better decisions have been made.

Speaker 9 (43:42):
I can't remember when you know. It's uh, it's better
than what it used to be.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
The first hit used to be like one side of
the in and out burger menu. I'm not sure why
that came up first. That was a little embarrassing, but
you know, but so we go on. It's the thing,
all right, Well.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
What let's start with arguing with that he loses thirty pounds.
He looks incredibly thin, he says, ah, I kind of
felt fat.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I felt like I was slow, which he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
What's the what's the real thing behind this big thirty
pound weight loss for Lamar Jackson come.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Into this year.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
I don't think he's being inauthentic. I feel like he's
being honest. I think he probably feels like he's a
better athlete when he's lighter, leaner. I'm sure he had
been told, like many football players, especially playing quarterback, Hey,
you know, listen, if you're gonna weather the storm of

(44:33):
the season, you're gonna have to pack on some pounds.
This way, This way you can take a little bit
more abuse and not and not get get so rattled,
not not be so injury prone.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
And look, is.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
There some truth to that. Yeah, because look, mass moves mass.
And also the more massive you are, the more you
resist forced You know, this gets down to general physics principles,
and so it's true to a certain but here's here's
what's not true. Lamar Jackson isn't a statue in the pocket.

(45:06):
He never has been. Like the biggest part of his
game is elusiveness. And not just in the open field
where he's breaking ankles other people's ankles, uh, you know,
because he he can't touch him and and nobody can
get a clean shot on him in the open field.
Also in the pocket, you know, when the when the
middle of the pocket collapses and you know, a defensive

(45:26):
lineman splits the guard and tackle and he's got hands
in his face, he's able to roll out and spin
out and do something dramatic and maybe lose some yardage
to gain a deep shot down field because one of
the wide receivers on the scrambled drill uncovered and he's
waving his hand at the twenty yard line, you know,
just waiting for Lamar to heave.

Speaker 9 (45:46):
It up there because he's got space to win the
jump ball.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Or you know when when one of these edge rushers
is is closing, you know, the top of the pocket
down on him and reaching you know that that trying
to get fingertips on the foot he's dropping back and
you know, hitting his fifth step on his drop. Well,
you know, he can feel that pressure and as opposed
to being you know, even a fraction of a second

(46:10):
slower because he's lugging around twenty or twenty five more pounds,
maybe he can spring out of that backstep and he
can move up in the pocket and deliver a strike
over the middle. So I guess my point is, I
don't know how much twenty extra pounds on his frame
is doing for Lamar Jackson the athlete or the quarterback,
or the durability factor, because that's not a huge part

(46:33):
of his game. He doesn't have to worry about taking
huge shots in the pocket because he doesn't often take
huge shots in the pocket.

Speaker 9 (46:41):
It's just not a part of Lamar Jackson's game.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
So I'm kind of in favor of him doing what
he thinks makes him the better athlete.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Also allows them to say, hey, Derek, Henry's got enough
bulk for all of us here at the goal line,
so he can go to get that job I've done
for us. Let's transition your former team, the Chargers, and
looking at Harbaugh the Michigan they get nailed by the
NCAA and he gets a show cause and all of
that fun and excitement. But from the Chargers side of things,

(47:10):
trying to figure out where they're at roster wise, perhaps
more of a reliance on the run bringing in a
couple of former Ravens' tailbacks. What are you expecting from
this iteration of a Jim Harbaugh led Chargers squad.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
Well, I think that if he's smart, he's really focusing
on that run game, especially now that Justin Herbert's going
to start the season a little banged up. You know
how how banged up, We don't know. I guess we'll
see when he gets out of the walking boot. I
guess we'll see how he's moving if he plays at
all during the preseason. But but I do think it's

(47:44):
going to be a trademark Jim Harbaugh offense. I think
this offensive line is going to be tested to control
the line of scrimmage. I think these games, if they're
playing the type of football he wants to play, are
going to be low scoring because he's going to lean
on his defense and his offensive line in his running
backs to control the tempo of the game, to slow

(48:05):
things down, to limit how many possessions their opponents get,
maybe steal a couple in terms of turnovers, and and
win every game, you know, kind of knuckling up. You know,
twenty one fourteen or you know, twenty eight, twenty four,
You know, some of these scores that were not used
to seeing anymore because teams are rolling out there and scoring,

(48:27):
you know, forty two thirty five or you know, twenty seven,
you know, thirty eight, Like we're we're seeing video game scores, Matden,
you know, scores because everybody's throwing the football the way
you do when you're on the sticks, you know, on.

Speaker 9 (48:42):
The Xbox or the PlayStation. It's it's a different league now.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
But Jim Harbaugh is a throwback guy, and he brought
in a bunch of kind of throwback coaches and coordinators
to help him institute this.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
And he's got an injured quarterback who's got a bad wheel.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
So I think I think the focus is going to
be the run game and establishing the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Rich Hornberger.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Our guest the Jason Smith Show is Mike Carmon, live
from the tirec dot Com studios.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
All right, now, we saw.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
The Seahawks have five fights in practice today. Culminated or
actually part of it was DK metcalf pulling off one
of his teammates helmets and swing his helmet at him. Now,
before you get into this, let me ask you worst
or best training camp fight you were ever in.

Speaker 9 (49:25):
I've gotten into. I'll give you one in college.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
I'll give you one in in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
The one in college I.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
Started because we were just the whole offensive line was
having a lousy day. The coaches were all over us
all practice long. One of the defensive linemen was being
an opportunist, you know, he was trying to, you know,
make an example of himself against an offensive line was
that was struggling. And I absolutely cheap shotted this, this

(49:55):
big old defensive tackle. And you know, I'll own that.
I still don't feel bad about. I still feel bad about.
I write him Christmas cards every year.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
And then he jumped to his feet, and you know,
I pull his helmet off, he pulls my helmet off.
He starts swinging my helmet at me. I throw his
helmet at him, and then Joe Pod Joe Paterno kicks
me off the field.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
He's like, get out of here, you're an animal.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
I then I send you back to Nassau County on
the first thing smoking.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
And so.

Speaker 9 (50:27):
It was a shorter practice for me that day.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
And I thought you were going to take it a
shot at Joe Paterno's size.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
I'm pretty sure, listen, I was a little reckless as
a younger gentleman. There might have been a bird thrown
or two. I had a little bit of an issue
with authority back then. But look, all's well, that ends well.
I think the coaching staff at Penn State appreciated the
mean streak, and so you know, that was water under
the bridge after a little while. Now in the NFL,

(50:56):
that was a different one. The best story that ever
came out of a training camp fight while I was
there with the Patriots was a full blown like defense
versus offense. It just devolved into the scene and anchorman
where you know, like where Brick is. He's holding a

(51:16):
grenade at one point and shrimping. Somebody got hit in
the chest with a tried it like it was wild.
Vince Wilford picked up one of our reserve offensive lineman
and was bending him like a wetzel pretzel above his head.
I've never I mean, that's four hundred pounds of defensive
lineman just just putting somebody in the torture rack over

(51:38):
his head. It was like he picked up a three
hundred pounds man like he was picking up his dry cleaning.

Speaker 9 (51:44):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
So listen, fights happened.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Tempers, they'll run hot during training camp because the weather's hot.
Nobody wants to be there, and it's very physical and
you haven't hit anybody for a long time, and so
it just sort of reignites, you know, the war. And
so yeah, guys, guys are getting frustrated, and that's probably
a good sign. It probably means that we need some
preseason games. We need to start cooling off here and

(52:09):
start locking it in for the regular season.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
So lastly, the for me, the news cycle the last
forty eight hours, it's not where in the world is
Karmen San Diego who was actually a criminal.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Is where's Brandon a you going?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Yeah, So Pittsburgh seems to be the leader in the
clubhouse now, I mean Cleveland would seemed to destination.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
We haven't had said gotten to say that in a while, Rich, No.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
I mean, basically, since Deshaun was was picking his destination
along with the Texans, And this is a little bit
of a similar situation because in that situation, Deshaan wanted
out and the Texans obliged because they had no choice
because he did not want to play in Houston any longer,
so they had to figure out a different landing spot.

(52:57):
I don't know if the conversation has devolved the point
like it did with Houston and Deshaun, but it looks
like Ayuk is serious. He wants his money. The Niners
are serious, they're dug in. They don't want to give
him whatever number that is. And so at very least
we have to treat this like it's a possibility or

(53:17):
a potentiality. I mean, let's just comment on how much
better the Pittsburgh Steelers look with Ayuk. I mean, all
of a sudden, you have two guys who are capable
of taking the top off the defense. Between he and Pickens,
shorthanded guys the over fourteen hundred yards and you know

(53:37):
eight or more touchdowns that Ayuk scored with the Niners
last year. George Pickens obviously working with better quarterbacks this
season and still very productive last year with the patchwork
quilt they had a quarterback. This is going to be
a favorable spot for a team that really does serve
wide receivers well historically. With Mike Tomlin as the head coach,

(54:00):
I'm not surprised that Ayuka is entertaining playing there, especially
if the Steelers are entertaining him, paying him what he wants,
and if the Niners find a fair price for him,
which it sounds like is gonna be something less than
a first round pick, I think that deal could get done.

Speaker 9 (54:17):
We'll see, but Pittsburgh would be a.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Heck of a landing spot because I think Pittsburgh automatically,
just by default, just by the upgraded in the quarterback room,
will be a better team this year, and that was
a playoff team last year.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Former NFL star, current host analysts Sports seven to sixty
also Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
He is everywhere.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Follow him on Twitter, at Ornberger Ricchio as always Buddy appreciated. Man,
I'm gonna look back and find out who that defensive
tackle as you messed around with the Penn State, and
I'll go come back to you with that name.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
It sounds good. Yeah, yeah, catch me if you can.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Buddy, See, Buddy, there you go, great.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Physics lessons and everything.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
And then anytime you can get a story about Vince
will Fork, you know my man crush on him.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Oh yeah, A long long time bending a guy like
a what's the principle?

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Now I want a pretzel.