September 11, 2024 • 24 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon give you some of their final thoughts on Week 1 as we transition into Week 2! That includes advice on how best to navigate the Packers and Rams receiving rooms following injuries to Jordan Love and Puka Nacua, along with an examination of a startlingly bad week across the board from the tight end position.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
And you want experience during your football season, well, buckle up.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Sweet cheeks.
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We've got all the experience in the world. This is
I want your flex with Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set
your lineups, from position rankings to starts and sins. The
guys help you make those hard decisions. And now let's
get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon
(00:33):
a Happy.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Wednesday edition, or Mike Carman and myself give you a
little flavor of what's ahead in week two from what
we saw in Week one and the other thoughts of
the preseason leading into the second week of the regular season.
Hit Mike up at Swollendome. You can find me at
Dan Byer on Fox. The show's executive producer is Ian Roddy.
On him at Ian Roddy Underscore. The underscore is very
(00:56):
key because if you leave it out, you're not getting
our Ian Roddy. Let's talk some injuries, Mike, because there
are some with lasting effects and maybe notne bigger than
what we saw on Friday Night with Jordan Love and
the Green Bay Packers and the sigh of relief, the
Packers had with the imaging with Love. I know green
Bay wants to be coy. I know that they want
to exhaust every single effort, But in no realistic scenario
(01:21):
do I see Jordan Love suiting up on Sunday And
even though he's not going to go on ir I
think things are changing for the Green Bay Packers. How
does Jordan Love's injury change the green Bay Packers?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, I mean as you go down down the road,
I mean you've got a wide spread of wide receivers
between Reed and I guess Wix to a degree and
start going down and you got Watson and you got
them a lot of molds. The feed right at ed
Musgrave as you will, But who do you trust going forward?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The leak will is under center. It seems, at least
short term. He didn't even get the hail Mary off
for crying out loud at the at the end of
the game. Sorry, I had to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, you're You're exactly right. That bothered some Packer fans.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Right, and you just you had one job, just get
the ball out of your hand. You can't take a sack. Yeah,
but you know where he comes over. I've seen big
thought piece. I saw one that was like five thousand
words long with all like myriad. It was like a
book about all the different options of what they could
do at quarterback. You know Ryan Tannehill. So reason Ryan
(02:33):
Tannehill doesn't have a job right now. One he's a
long tenured veteran, so the minimums higher. The other is
he's hasn't been good for the last couple of years.
And at last I remember, wasn't he battling Malik Willis
for a job at some point here recently? So add
all that to say, I think most of those guys,
all of them become non flyers until we see some
(02:57):
level of stability and what this becomes. Right we two,
you've got the Colts at home, and then week three
at Tennessee. Well, Tennessee may not be able to do
anything offensively, but they can get after you defensively. Just
go ask Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I you know, I look at I'm higher on Ryan
Tannehill than you are. In this specific instance, for green Bay,
I think that green Bay actually I don't know what
green Bay is doing. I don't know why they would
bring in Malik Willis, except to think that Willis would
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have time to be, you know, accustomed to what Green
Bay was doing throughout the season, and then if something
did happen to Jordan Love that they would maybe have
a suitable backup or they felt that it was at
least worth the risk. But you're playing for a super
Bowl this year. You know, if Jordan Love isn't your
your quarterback, and if he's not your quarterback for any
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like you know, period of time, it's going to hurt
your chances. And I think it's easier in the NFC
MIC than maybe the AFC, because I think there's better
teams than the AFC. But your division is the toughest
in the NFC. It's the NFC North is the toughest
division of the four, even though the West has the
Niners and the and the Rams were a playoff team,
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and you know, I think we think Seattle is going
to be better in Arizona's gonna be better than the
North is the toughest division. There's there's to me, no
doubt about it. And for Green Bay to to make
the deal that they did, like I woult to understand
if you're like, Okay, we acquired Josh Dobbs, you know,
like that that makes more sense, or if they did
sign Ryan Tannehill to be like, hey, this is you know,
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this is going to be a big portion of it.
But you kind of laid out the Colts game now
without Jordan Love isn't a given and it doesn't help
anybody for any of their receivers. As you mentioned, maybe
Jayden Reid gets more action, but coming off of what
he did on Monday night, it can't be as fruitful
as it was because there is no threat of anybody
throwing downfield and and allowing Jaden Reid those those gaps
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to run on or catch. It's just awful situation. I
don't even know if Josh Jacobs is going to be better.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Oh he had a couple of big runs late, but
otherwise he was He was pedestrian to start that game.
As they got going, I just take it all the
way back. It's you know, it's something I harped on,
you know, from the straight football perspective. When Jordan Love
was initially drafted, he was drafted because of the following scenario.
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Week one win seventeen to nine over Seattle, Week two
loss at Atlanta, Week three win over Cincinnati, Week four
win over Chicago Week five, a win over Dallas. Okay,
what are we talking? We're talking four and one? Oh.
Week six, what happens? Oh, Aaron Rodgers breaks his collarbone.
Enter Brent Hunley. That's why Jordan Love was drafted. Yeah,
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when he was And now that he's gone down to
an injury, you're in a circumstance where you're looking around
going it's going to be Malik Willis, It's going to
be Clifford, it's going to be option number three, sure,
or someone that gets traded for you know that's sitting
on the end of a bench right now, or Ryan Tannehill.
(06:13):
And to your point with Tannehill, I yeah, I mean
it becomes the shuffle up a deal now. I know
Willis hasn't been there that long, so still getting acclimated.
But this is shades of twenty seventeen of You've got
a squad, You've got a roster that everybody looks at
and says is potentially a big contender with great, young,
cheap receiving options, and your quarterback position is suddenly a
(06:38):
question at least for what the next three to six weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and there are a couple of other injuries We're
going to get to. But I know we're not talking
as much fantasy about this scenario. But there's one other
thing with it is if you lose Jordan Love, then
you could say, Okay, we're probably going to lose to
the Lions, we probably won't win in Chicago, We're probably
gonna lose to the forty nine ers. But that makes
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the games against the Colts, against the Titans, against the
Vikings that they have over the next three weeks that
much more important. Can't drop those games and to be
ill prepared for that. It's like, just just cut your
losses as much as you can, and if you get
into the playoffs at nine to eight, then go and
do it. At least you know Jordan Love will be
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available at that time. It's just it's poor I just
think it's poor planning on Green Bay's part to go
this route. And I'm a guy that doesn't even I
don't even care about backup quarterbacks, but in this situation,
just for the short term that they need because that
Jordan Love has gone for the season, their season's done anyway,
so it doesn't necessarily matter. But I just thought that
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they could have, you know, they could have handled it better.
Of course everybody yells, including in Cleveland, should have signed
Joe Flacco. You know, should have signed Joe Flacco. Everybody
wants to sign.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You know the book I referenced, you know all those
what they could do. One of them was trade for
Joe Flacco. He's in Indianapolis behind a guy who might
get broken in half at any moment.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Colts also looking at as a squad going why not
us in the division, you know, to try to rise
up and find a wild card slot.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
They're not getting rid of Joe flat.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Could you find two more polar opposite quarterback? I don't
get that one either, Like I don't, I have no
idea on what like, you're just completely I think there's
gotta be a strain on your team. I don't know
they're the ones that are anyway, the one percent.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We'll get to the Colts another time because we may
have similar conversations again. A great week one from Richardson,
but running the ball that often bad things could happen.
But for the Packers, I don't think i'd start any
of these guys at least for a week or two
until I know what how this sorts out and how
efficient the offense can be.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Who can have who was injury? Quite the boom for
one Cooper Cup. Yeah, and we saw that especially because
you know that game's that game means so much to
Stafford in Detroit, and so you're gonna get to go
to the guy that you wanted, you know that you trust.
But how does Cooper Cup's injury affect the Rams and
fantasy wise.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, hopefully they went back and watched the tape and
also realized, hey, some clock management and Kyron Williams actually
getting out of bounds might have helped them from a
football perspective. But that's just me being you know, aggressive
radio host wide receiver wise. I mean, you got Tyler
Johnson DeMarcus Robinson are going to be the two guys
vying four looks most. DeMarcus Robinson seems to be the
(09:43):
leader in the clubhouse. We talked about it on the
last episode a little bit in terms of you know,
target counts and expectations and waiver wire claims. I think
both have their merits spread the ball around. But for now,
Cooper Cup's probably going to see fifteen to twenty. He
targets a game. Yeah, I mean he's the big winner.
(10:03):
And there was a lot of talk in the off
season after you know, the year Nikoua had and trying
to figure out what that split would be uh for
for this year. Well, we don't have to worry about
that for now and maybe for a while, you know,
because whenever we have these types of injuries, they don't
necessarily go away in the timelines that anybody wants to
(10:25):
wants to add to them. And and the hope is
because they're fun as fun as hell to watch them
at full strength. But for now, then Cooper Cup becomes
a rock solid top five play each week. And then
for the moment, you know, put in claims on both
Johnson and Robinson because they're they're gonna see activity.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
There's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I like I like Robinson a lot more than Johnson
just for the simple fact of I know, and this
may be prisoner of the moment, but the play that's
Tyler Johnson made was amazing, but it also was caused
(11:06):
by two lions completely overrunning the play, two more lions
running into each other at midfield, and then you know,
him finally being tackled after sixty some yards. I feel
they have the same number of targets that way. But
I don't know. I just I feel a little safer
with Robinson. Could be wrong. We've been waiting for Tyler
Johnson for a little while. Maybe this is his opportunity,
(11:26):
but I just wouldn't spend a lot if you're in
a guillotine league, or if you've got fab or however
you want to do it, I wouldn't. I wouldn't spend
tons on those two because I think you're right on
Cooper Cup. He is Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. We
haven't even gotten to the tight end position yet because
not only are there injuries to deal with, there's just
some overall wackiness going from a position that we felt
(11:47):
had a lot of depth. There just weren't a lot
of points in week ones. So we're going to talk
about that. He's Mike Carmen. Hit him up at Swollendome.
I'm Dan Byer. That's next here and I want your flex,
all right, Hit Mike up at Swollendome. You can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox. We talked a little
in the pod yesterday on the quarterback wackiness of Week one.
(12:08):
Same for the tight end position because my rankings had
Sam Laporta, Travis Kelcey, you know, George Kittle near the
top of them. And then when I'm looking at the
points for that week, no dice on a lot of those.
Jake Ferguson another name that was maybe not top five
(12:30):
but top ten. Weird week for the tight end position.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
When you mentioned Ferguson, he goes down with an injury,
and so for Dallas one of their primary targets and
weapons for Dak Prescott goes down. He finished twenty fourth
of the week at four and a half points in
PPR leagues.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You talk about Kittle, well, he.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Was virtually invisible in the Monday night, not in the
blocking scheme because they did run the hell out of
the football. So you know, unfortunately you don't get any
fantasy points for that doesn't help you there.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We go all the way back to Thursday and Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Game right active and available, and instead it became the
Isaiah Likely Show, who lapped everybody in terms of fantasy
points in Week one twenty six. For him, your next
entry in the tight end position, Foster Moreau Ah on
the tip of your tongue, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good story though, you know, coming back from cancer and yes,
doing that, and they have that. You know, I love
to see whatever he.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Has, always get always the positivity, but not a name
that you would have been banking on. And when you
look at Week one of the Fantasy World and it's
a matchup against Carolina, so we hang a star on it,
but they all count just the same.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Juwan Johnson was.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
The fifth leading Fantasy point total for the week with
ten point six, So you got two entries from New
Orleans in your top five. Brock Bauers finishes third and
eleven point eight on the strength of a couple of
catching Kyle Pitt scores the touchdown, but just eleven point
six for the week. Those are the only five guys
(14:04):
that finished in double digits.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh wow, I'll tell you the double tight end is.
You know, in certain spots. I bought a lot of
shares in Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I did too, and yeah, and I know it's just.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
One game, but Josh Allen kind of looked like the
same Josh Allen of old. They seem to want to
give James Cook his sort of stuff, but they only
have two targets like he did yeah, Dustin Knox had
two targets in.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
What you thought would be a wide open Yeah. Yeah,
like we got over the total. We got sixty two
total points. We got a kickoff return, which you should
be fired immediately if you give anything that's returnable.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The penalty is not enough. Give it the ball at
the thirty and be done with it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
By the way, DJ Dallas has been in Seattle for
so long, and it's just like, all right, when are
you going to do something? Please do something on a kickoff.
And I always thought that he was was slow, but
DJ Dallas was always I should say, I don't think
he looked slow, Like he doesn't look like a blazing back,
(15:08):
if you know what I mean. Right, So you know,
for years and years I had been like, oh man,
what is DJ Dallas? And when the Seahawks are their
running backs would go down, guess who's ending up getting
the start or getting more snaps. That's DJ Dallas. And
in game one of a division rival, you take one
to the freaking house, like, are you kidding me? Sorry,
(15:28):
there's my DJ Dallas rants of the day of the game,
back to the tight ends in the bubble.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Nicely done, but yeah, just the idea that you know,
some of the guys we would have expected to see
a huge target count even based on the quarterback right
Justin Fields is in for Pittsburgh, Pat Fryermo finishes twelve
ted for twelveth in terms of his production, just with
a six point seven point output. Travis Kelcey six point four.
(15:58):
Some using the term one to describe him. I say,
it's week one. It talk to me when stuff and
it's really winning time. Yeah, you'll find a play right.
So he's one of those guys. If you want to
find the salty owner in your league and offer him,
you know, a Taylor Swift ceed and you know the
last guy in your bench for Travis Kelcey, they might
(16:20):
just take it right now because down the stretch they'll
need him. It'll be their Dalton Schultz. I think it's
just a numbers game in Houston. As much as I
like the player, they've got too many mouths to feed.
Now you add Stefan Diggs and Joe Mixon carrying the
ball thirty times, you know the potential for big outings
from him and target counts. You know, Tank Dell being back,
(16:42):
et cetera. That you know you're not necessarily going to
get that, So yeah, it's it's curious. As much as
we love the depth in theory, now you're talking about
second tight ends for a lot of these teams creeping
up much like Las Vegas, to where not only you're
trying to break through and pick your poison there, but
(17:03):
also you know where the production and target counts are
going to slip. So the next couple of weeks will
be interesting to see how those start to divide.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
We're gonna play a little trivia Mike Yeah with you.
But our contestant today is our executive producer, Ian Roddy. Ian,
welcome to I want your Flex Trivia.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, this is This is a two question quiz and
if you get these correct you will get some sort
of prize. All right, okay, okay. Out of sixty two
kickoff returns in his career with the Seattle Seahawks, how
many times do DJ Dallas take one to the house?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Could it be one that is incorrect?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It would be zero, It would be zero.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Try yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
In the three kickoff returns he's had for the Arizona Cardinals,
how many touchdowns is DJ Dallas taken to.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The house three one.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It was one. Geez, come on, I like that. No,
that would that would have been our lead. That would
have been our lead of the podcast. DJ Dallas is
a must start just for special teams. But yeah, so
so he's he's returned three kicks and I was already
returned one for a score. But in Seattle sixty two
and he went all for sixty two and taking him
to the house. In fact, his long mic his long
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was forty and then and the one that he took
to the house was ninety six.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
How many times was he taken down by the kicker?
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't even know if he got past midfield, like like,
if as long as forty, there's there's the there's the
chance that he never did. All right, Ian, thanks for playing.
Next time you know you get both right, there'll be
some sort of prize. All right, thank you for playing.
I want your flex trivia just on the spot. Sorry,
it just it just irked me. You know, the listen,
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and I know I shouldn't. Hey, Percy Harvin returned to
score for a touchdown in a Super Bowl. I shouldn't
be complaining about kickoff returns.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Hey, my guy went to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And he deserves to be in the Hall of Devin Hester.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Baby, let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yes, he absolutely does deserve to be in the Hall
of Fame. I that all right, back, Do you want
to get tight ends? Are we good with tight ends?
Do we have any more with tight ends?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think we're good with tight ends.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I think you know we're gonna have an EBB and
flow and I think it's gonna be one of the
more curious positions because a lot of leagues have legislating
them out. We're now just included in a flex which
I think is curious because it looked like we were
on a path and look, you and I have been
doing this long enough to remember the days of Gonzales
sharp and damn it, I have to fill this position.
(19:39):
I think that was literally what it was called. It's
like a we've got three rounds left.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
What are they?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The tight end, the kicker, and the defense. So now
we we we thought we were on the verge of
the other, and I think for numbers purposes, we may be.
In terms of team totals, problem is you're not drafting
a team tight end. Yes, so for some of these squads,
it'll be curious and we'll get our separation, but at
(20:05):
least for week one, very frustrating if you had one
of the would be top performer, Sam Laporta with his
eighty eight point five points I know is over under
total was fifty two and a half for receiving yards
that everybody just figured they'd be penciling in after the
first quarter.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I remember a time, and we may have touched on
this on the previous pod, where we had Jade Novachak
and the Cowboys actually done it was the top tight end.
And I remember some rosters in our league because we
were just teenage kids at Wisconsin. Ed West would start
some fantasy games for us in the early nineties. Nicely done, yes,
aka the toolbox.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
See I enjoy that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And you know, another Cowboy that was a fantasy favorite
for years was Jason Witten, piling up the targets and receptions,
but allergic to the painted grass.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Plus he always ran weird, yeah, you know, like he
was always so upright. And then we forgot about that
when he did Monday Night football because we would just
criticize him for that, and.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He came back as a Raider for a season, Remember
that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Talk about I got to find a football card with
that and put it on my wall of Do you
remember this? It's like the Jerry Rice cards of him
with the Seahawks or the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah. You know, funny that you say this. You know
a lot of the talk has been, you know, in
college football about Dylan Reyola trying to be Patrick Mahomes.
So weird, right right, But Ian, you're not old enough
to remember this. Mike and I are Nebraska, you know,
under Tom Osbourne in the nineteen nineties, broke through one
(21:46):
national champion, national championships, and their star player was Tobby Fraser,
who wore number fifteen. There you go, so like, there's
this legacy of Nebraska quarterbacks. Eric Crouch didn't do it,
but like for him aware number fifteen. I get the
whole comparisons and the look and the actions and the
whole deal kind of reminds me of Kobe and Jordan.
(22:07):
When Kobe first came into the league and tried to
talk like Michael Jordan. He did, he absolutely did go
and listen to interviews. He tried to be like Michael Jordan.
And Dylan Royola is doing the same thing with Patrick Mahomes.
But I just can never get past the fifteen of
Tommy Fraser. I'm like, he's always Tommy Fraser's always going
to be fifteen in Nebraska for me.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't think I've heard Ryola talk, but does he
try to imitate Mahomes even I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That'd be amazing that that's, you know, perfect way to
end it there.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yes, you could see him. Maybe we'll see him on
the Tonight Show at some point doing impressions. Ian Roddy
are executive producer. He didn't win at trivia, but you
won the night with the laughs night job. Ian. That's
a great work. Harmon week two, is here another good
one on Thursday Night Bill's Dolphins, So that'll be hopefully exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I mean, look, we're looking at high point totals, high opportunities,
both teams with their secondaries still a bit in flux,
trying to break in some new component parts there, and
we got the Dolphins a very narrow favorite at home.
I got to think that I'm trying to find the
over under as we're talking it out. I gotta imagine
(23:23):
that's in that forty eight to fifty range here, but
certainly you know Josh Allen got off to a big start.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Forty eight and a half. Harmon's right on it.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
There you go, And then we look at the Dolphins
to one of the two quarterbacks to go over three
hundred yards for week one, so look for him to
go to the downs once again. Hopefully Jalen Waddle is
okay and can go through a full game. I know
he missed a chunk of Week one, so folks kind
of look if they missed that game, you know, kind
(23:53):
of wondering why that was down. He missed a chunk
of time for a bit there. So and the other
is most Shirts on the injury report as his eight
chan so uh, maybe a little Jalen Wright action as
that bonus sleeper uh waiver wire pickup.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Heck, Jeff Wilson got carries. Yeah, as a Raheem Mostert guy.
I was not happy to see that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Big Mostard guy myself always was going back to his
days with the Boilers.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the uh, we will see how it plays out.
Should be a good matchup, a lot of different wide
receivers for Josh Allen to throw to a lot of
different running backs for to a tongue of Baila to
hand off to. All Right, that'll do it for Ian
Roddy and Mike Carman. I'm Dan Byer. This has been
I Want Your Flex. We'll be back Friday with our
Week two preview with Harmon's rankings and so much more.
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key because if you leave it out, you're not getting
our Ian Roddy. Let's talk some injuries, Mike, because there
are some with lasting effects and maybe notne bigger than
what we saw on Friday Night with Jordan Love and
the Green Bay Packers and the sigh of relief, the
Packers had with the imaging with Love. I know green
Bay wants to be coy. I know that they want
to exhaust every single effort, But in no realistic scenario
(01:21):
do I see Jordan Love suiting up on Sunday And
even though he's not going to go on ir I
think things are changing for the Green Bay Packers. How
does Jordan Love's injury change the green Bay Packers?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, I mean as you go down down the road,
I mean you've got a wide spread of wide receivers
between Reed and I guess Wix to a degree and
start going down and you got Watson and you got
them a lot of molds. The feed right at ed
Musgrave as you will, But who do you trust going forward?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
The leak will is under center. It seems, at least
short term. He didn't even get the hail Mary off
for crying out loud at the at the end of
the game. Sorry, I had to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, you're You're exactly right. That bothered some Packer fans.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Right, and you just you had one job, just get
the ball out of your hand. You can't take a sack. Yeah,
but you know where he comes over. I've seen big
thought piece. I saw one that was like five thousand
words long with all like myriad. It was like a
book about all the different options of what they could
do at quarterback. You know Ryan Tannehill. So reason Ryan
(02:33):
Tannehill doesn't have a job right now. One he's a
long tenured veteran, so the minimums higher. The other is
he's hasn't been good for the last couple of years.
And at last I remember, wasn't he battling Malik Willis
for a job at some point here recently? So add
all that to say, I think most of those guys,
all of them become non flyers until we see some
(02:57):
level of stability and what this becomes. Right we two,
you've got the Colts at home, and then week three
at Tennessee. Well, Tennessee may not be able to do
anything offensively, but they can get after you defensively. Just
go ask Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I you know, I look at I'm higher on Ryan
Tannehill than you are. In this specific instance, for green Bay,
I think that green Bay actually I don't know what
green Bay is doing. I don't know why they would
bring in Malik Willis, except to think that Willis would
(03:31):
have time to be, you know, accustomed to what Green
Bay was doing throughout the season, and then if something
did happen to Jordan Love that they would maybe have
a suitable backup or they felt that it was at
least worth the risk. But you're playing for a super
Bowl this year. You know, if Jordan Love isn't your
your quarterback, and if he's not your quarterback for any
(03:55):
like you know, period of time, it's going to hurt
your chances. And I think it's easier in the NFC
MIC than maybe the AFC, because I think there's better
teams than the AFC. But your division is the toughest
in the NFC. It's the NFC North is the toughest
division of the four, even though the West has the
Niners and the and the Rams were a playoff team,
(04:16):
and you know, I think we think Seattle is going
to be better in Arizona's gonna be better than the
North is the toughest division. There's there's to me, no
doubt about it. And for Green Bay to to make
the deal that they did, like I woult to understand
if you're like, Okay, we acquired Josh Dobbs, you know,
like that that makes more sense, or if they did
sign Ryan Tannehill to be like, hey, this is you know,
(04:37):
this is going to be a big portion of it.
But you kind of laid out the Colts game now
without Jordan Love isn't a given and it doesn't help
anybody for any of their receivers. As you mentioned, maybe
Jayden Reid gets more action, but coming off of what
he did on Monday night, it can't be as fruitful
as it was because there is no threat of anybody
throwing downfield and and allowing Jaden Reid those those gaps
(05:02):
to run on or catch. It's just awful situation. I
don't even know if Josh Jacobs is going to be better.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Oh he had a couple of big runs late, but
otherwise he was He was pedestrian to start that game.
As they got going, I just take it all the
way back. It's you know, it's something I harped on,
you know, from the straight football perspective. When Jordan Love
was initially drafted, he was drafted because of the following scenario.
(05:28):
Week one win seventeen to nine over Seattle, Week two
loss at Atlanta, Week three win over Cincinnati, Week four
win over Chicago Week five, a win over Dallas. Okay,
what are we talking? We're talking four and one? Oh.
Week six, what happens? Oh, Aaron Rodgers breaks his collarbone.
Enter Brent Hunley. That's why Jordan Love was drafted. Yeah,
(05:51):
when he was And now that he's gone down to
an injury, you're in a circumstance where you're looking around
going it's going to be Malik Willis, It's going to
be Clifford, it's going to be option number three, sure,
or someone that gets traded for you know that's sitting
on the end of a bench right now, or Ryan Tannehill.
(06:13):
And to your point with Tannehill, I yeah, I mean
it becomes the shuffle up a deal now. I know
Willis hasn't been there that long, so still getting acclimated.
But this is shades of twenty seventeen of You've got
a squad, You've got a roster that everybody looks at
and says is potentially a big contender with great, young,
cheap receiving options, and your quarterback position is suddenly a
(06:38):
question at least for what the next three to six weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and there are a couple of other injuries We're
going to get to. But I know we're not talking
as much fantasy about this scenario. But there's one other
thing with it is if you lose Jordan Love, then
you could say, Okay, we're probably going to lose to
the Lions, we probably won't win in Chicago, We're probably
gonna lose to the forty nine ers. But that makes
(07:02):
the games against the Colts, against the Titans, against the
Vikings that they have over the next three weeks that
much more important. Can't drop those games and to be
ill prepared for that. It's like, just just cut your
losses as much as you can, and if you get
into the playoffs at nine to eight, then go and
do it. At least you know Jordan Love will be
(07:24):
available at that time. It's just it's poor I just
think it's poor planning on Green Bay's part to go
this route. And I'm a guy that doesn't even I
don't even care about backup quarterbacks, but in this situation,
just for the short term that they need because that
Jordan Love has gone for the season, their season's done anyway,
so it doesn't necessarily matter. But I just thought that
(07:46):
they could have, you know, they could have handled it better.
Of course everybody yells, including in Cleveland, should have signed
Joe Flacco. You know, should have signed Joe Flacco. Everybody
wants to sign.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
You know the book I referenced, you know all those
what they could do. One of them was trade for
Joe Flacco. He's in Indianapolis behind a guy who might
get broken in half at any moment.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Colts also looking at as a squad going why not
us in the division, you know, to try to rise
up and find a wild card slot.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
They're not getting rid of Joe flat.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Could you find two more polar opposite quarterback? I don't
get that one either, Like I don't, I have no
idea on what like, you're just completely I think there's
gotta be a strain on your team. I don't know
they're the ones that are anyway, the one percent.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We'll get to the Colts another time because we may
have similar conversations again. A great week one from Richardson,
but running the ball that often bad things could happen.
But for the Packers, I don't think i'd start any
of these guys at least for a week or two
until I know what how this sorts out and how
efficient the offense can be.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Who can have who was injury? Quite the boom for
one Cooper Cup. Yeah, and we saw that especially because
you know that game's that game means so much to
Stafford in Detroit, and so you're gonna get to go
to the guy that you wanted, you know that you trust.
But how does Cooper Cup's injury affect the Rams and
fantasy wise.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, hopefully they went back and watched the tape and
also realized, hey, some clock management and Kyron Williams actually
getting out of bounds might have helped them from a
football perspective. But that's just me being you know, aggressive
radio host wide receiver wise. I mean, you got Tyler
Johnson DeMarcus Robinson are going to be the two guys
vying four looks most. DeMarcus Robinson seems to be the
(09:43):
leader in the clubhouse. We talked about it on the
last episode a little bit in terms of you know,
target counts and expectations and waiver wire claims. I think
both have their merits spread the ball around. But for now,
Cooper Cup's probably going to see fifteen to twenty. He
targets a game. Yeah, I mean he's the big winner.
(10:03):
And there was a lot of talk in the off
season after you know, the year Nikoua had and trying
to figure out what that split would be uh for
for this year. Well, we don't have to worry about
that for now and maybe for a while, you know,
because whenever we have these types of injuries, they don't
necessarily go away in the timelines that anybody wants to
(10:25):
wants to add to them. And and the hope is
because they're fun as fun as hell to watch them
at full strength. But for now, then Cooper Cup becomes
a rock solid top five play each week. And then
for the moment, you know, put in claims on both
Johnson and Robinson because they're they're gonna see activity.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
There's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I like I like Robinson a lot more than Johnson
just for the simple fact of I know, and this
may be prisoner of the moment, but the play that's
Tyler Johnson made was amazing, but it also was caused
(11:06):
by two lions completely overrunning the play, two more lions
running into each other at midfield, and then you know,
him finally being tackled after sixty some yards. I feel
they have the same number of targets that way. But
I don't know. I just I feel a little safer
with Robinson. Could be wrong. We've been waiting for Tyler
Johnson for a little while. Maybe this is his opportunity,
(11:26):
but I just wouldn't spend a lot if you're in
a guillotine league, or if you've got fab or however
you want to do it, I wouldn't. I wouldn't spend
tons on those two because I think you're right on
Cooper Cup. He is Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. We
haven't even gotten to the tight end position yet because
not only are there injuries to deal with, there's just
some overall wackiness going from a position that we felt
(11:47):
had a lot of depth. There just weren't a lot
of points in week ones. So we're going to talk
about that. He's Mike Carmen. Hit him up at Swollendome.
I'm Dan Byer. That's next here and I want your flex,
all right, Hit Mike up at Swollendome. You can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox. We talked a little
in the pod yesterday on the quarterback wackiness of Week one.
(12:08):
Same for the tight end position because my rankings had
Sam Laporta, Travis Kelcey, you know, George Kittle near the
top of them. And then when I'm looking at the
points for that week, no dice on a lot of those.
Jake Ferguson another name that was maybe not top five
(12:30):
but top ten. Weird week for the tight end position.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
When you mentioned Ferguson, he goes down with an injury,
and so for Dallas one of their primary targets and
weapons for Dak Prescott goes down. He finished twenty fourth
of the week at four and a half points in
PPR leagues.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You talk about Kittle, well, he.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Was virtually invisible in the Monday night, not in the
blocking scheme because they did run the hell out of
the football. So you know, unfortunately you don't get any
fantasy points for that doesn't help you there.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We go all the way back to Thursday and Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Game right active and available, and instead it became the
Isaiah Likely Show, who lapped everybody in terms of fantasy
points in Week one twenty six. For him, your next
entry in the tight end position, Foster Moreau Ah on
the tip of your tongue, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good story though, you know, coming back from cancer and yes,
doing that, and they have that. You know, I love
to see whatever he.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Has, always get always the positivity, but not a name
that you would have been banking on. And when you
look at Week one of the Fantasy World and it's
a matchup against Carolina, so we hang a star on it,
but they all count just the same.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Juwan Johnson was.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
The fifth leading Fantasy point total for the week with
ten point six, So you got two entries from New
Orleans in your top five. Brock Bauers finishes third and
eleven point eight on the strength of a couple of
catching Kyle Pitt scores the touchdown, but just eleven point
six for the week. Those are the only five guys
(14:04):
that finished in double digits.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh wow, I'll tell you the double tight end is.
You know, in certain spots. I bought a lot of
shares in Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I did too, and yeah, and I know it's just.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
One game, but Josh Allen kind of looked like the
same Josh Allen of old. They seem to want to
give James Cook his sort of stuff, but they only
have two targets like he did yeah, Dustin Knox had
two targets in.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
What you thought would be a wide open Yeah. Yeah,
like we got over the total. We got sixty two
total points. We got a kickoff return, which you should
be fired immediately if you give anything that's returnable.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The penalty is not enough. Give it the ball at
the thirty and be done with it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
By the way, DJ Dallas has been in Seattle for
so long, and it's just like, all right, when are
you going to do something? Please do something on a kickoff.
And I always thought that he was was slow, but
DJ Dallas was always I should say, I don't think
he looked slow, Like he doesn't look like a blazing back,
(15:08):
if you know what I mean. Right, So you know,
for years and years I had been like, oh man,
what is DJ Dallas? And when the Seahawks are their
running backs would go down, guess who's ending up getting
the start or getting more snaps. That's DJ Dallas. And
in game one of a division rival, you take one
to the freaking house, like, are you kidding me? Sorry,
(15:28):
there's my DJ Dallas rants of the day of the game,
back to the tight ends in the bubble.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Nicely done, but yeah, just the idea that you know,
some of the guys we would have expected to see
a huge target count even based on the quarterback right
Justin Fields is in for Pittsburgh, Pat Fryermo finishes twelve
ted for twelveth in terms of his production, just with
a six point seven point output. Travis Kelcey six point four.
(15:58):
Some using the term one to describe him. I say,
it's week one. It talk to me when stuff and
it's really winning time. Yeah, you'll find a play right.
So he's one of those guys. If you want to
find the salty owner in your league and offer him,
you know, a Taylor Swift ceed and you know the
last guy in your bench for Travis Kelcey, they might
(16:20):
just take it right now because down the stretch they'll
need him. It'll be their Dalton Schultz. I think it's
just a numbers game in Houston. As much as I
like the player, they've got too many mouths to feed.
Now you add Stefan Diggs and Joe Mixon carrying the
ball thirty times, you know the potential for big outings
from him and target counts. You know, Tank Dell being back,
(16:42):
et cetera. That you know you're not necessarily going to
get that, So yeah, it's it's curious. As much as
we love the depth in theory, now you're talking about
second tight ends for a lot of these teams creeping
up much like Las Vegas, to where not only you're
trying to break through and pick your poison there, but
(17:03):
also you know where the production and target counts are
going to slip. So the next couple of weeks will
be interesting to see how those start to divide.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
We're gonna play a little trivia Mike Yeah with you.
But our contestant today is our executive producer, Ian Roddy. Ian,
welcome to I want your Flex Trivia.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, this is This is a two question quiz and
if you get these correct you will get some sort
of prize. All right, okay, okay. Out of sixty two
kickoff returns in his career with the Seattle Seahawks, how
many times do DJ Dallas take one to the house?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Could it be one that is incorrect?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It would be zero, It would be zero.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Try yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
In the three kickoff returns he's had for the Arizona Cardinals,
how many touchdowns is DJ Dallas taken to.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The house three one.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It was one. Geez, come on, I like that. No,
that would that would have been our lead. That would
have been our lead of the podcast. DJ Dallas is
a must start just for special teams. But yeah, so
so he's he's returned three kicks and I was already
returned one for a score. But in Seattle sixty two
and he went all for sixty two and taking him
to the house. In fact, his long mic his long
(18:21):
was forty and then and the one that he took
to the house was ninety six.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
How many times was he taken down by the kicker?
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I don't even know if he got past midfield, like like,
if as long as forty, there's there's the there's the
chance that he never did. All right, Ian, thanks for playing.
Next time you know you get both right, there'll be
some sort of prize. All right, thank you for playing.
I want your flex trivia just on the spot. Sorry,
it just it just irked me. You know, the listen,
(18:51):
and I know I shouldn't. Hey, Percy Harvin returned to
score for a touchdown in a Super Bowl. I shouldn't
be complaining about kickoff returns.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Hey, my guy went to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And he deserves to be in the Hall of Devin Hester.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Baby, let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yes, he absolutely does deserve to be in the Hall
of Fame. I that all right, back, Do you want
to get tight ends? Are we good with tight ends?
Do we have any more with tight ends?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I think we're good with tight ends.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I think you know we're gonna have an EBB and
flow and I think it's gonna be one of the
more curious positions because a lot of leagues have legislating
them out. We're now just included in a flex which
I think is curious because it looked like we were
on a path and look, you and I have been
doing this long enough to remember the days of Gonzales
sharp and damn it, I have to fill this position.
(19:39):
I think that was literally what it was called. It's
like a we've got three rounds left.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
What are they?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The tight end, the kicker, and the defense. So now
we we we thought we were on the verge of
the other, and I think for numbers purposes, we may be.
In terms of team totals, problem is you're not drafting
a team tight end. Yes, so for some of these squads,
it'll be curious and we'll get our separation, but at
(20:05):
least for week one, very frustrating if you had one
of the would be top performer, Sam Laporta with his
eighty eight point five points I know is over under
total was fifty two and a half for receiving yards
that everybody just figured they'd be penciling in after the
first quarter.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I remember a time, and we may have touched on
this on the previous pod, where we had Jade Novachak
and the Cowboys actually done it was the top tight end.
And I remember some rosters in our league because we
were just teenage kids at Wisconsin. Ed West would start
some fantasy games for us in the early nineties. Nicely done, yes,
aka the toolbox.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
See I enjoy that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And you know, another Cowboy that was a fantasy favorite
for years was Jason Witten, piling up the targets and receptions,
but allergic to the painted grass.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Plus he always ran weird, yeah, you know, like he
was always so upright. And then we forgot about that
when he did Monday Night football because we would just
criticize him for that, and.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He came back as a Raider for a season, Remember
that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Talk about I got to find a football card with
that and put it on my wall of Do you
remember this? It's like the Jerry Rice cards of him
with the Seahawks or the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah. You know, funny that you say this. You know
a lot of the talk has been, you know, in
college football about Dylan Reyola trying to be Patrick Mahomes.
So weird, right right, But Ian, you're not old enough
to remember this. Mike and I are Nebraska, you know,
under Tom Osbourne in the nineteen nineties, broke through one
(21:46):
national champion, national championships, and their star player was Tobby Fraser,
who wore number fifteen. There you go, so like, there's
this legacy of Nebraska quarterbacks. Eric Crouch didn't do it,
but like for him aware number fifteen. I get the
whole comparisons and the look and the actions and the
whole deal kind of reminds me of Kobe and Jordan.
(22:07):
When Kobe first came into the league and tried to
talk like Michael Jordan. He did, he absolutely did go
and listen to interviews. He tried to be like Michael Jordan.
And Dylan Royola is doing the same thing with Patrick Mahomes.
But I just can never get past the fifteen of
Tommy Fraser. I'm like, he's always Tommy Fraser's always going
to be fifteen in Nebraska for me.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't think I've heard Ryola talk, but does he
try to imitate Mahomes even I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That'd be amazing that that's, you know, perfect way to
end it there.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yes, you could see him. Maybe we'll see him on
the Tonight Show at some point doing impressions. Ian Roddy
are executive producer. He didn't win at trivia, but you
won the night with the laughs night job. Ian. That's
a great work. Harmon week two, is here another good
one on Thursday Night Bill's Dolphins, So that'll be hopefully exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I mean, look, we're looking at high point totals, high opportunities,
both teams with their secondaries still a bit in flux,
trying to break in some new component parts there, and
we got the Dolphins a very narrow favorite at home.
I got to think that I'm trying to find the
over under as we're talking it out. I gotta imagine
(23:23):
that's in that forty eight to fifty range here, but
certainly you know Josh Allen got off to a big start.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Forty eight and a half. Harmon's right on it.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
There you go, And then we look at the Dolphins
to one of the two quarterbacks to go over three
hundred yards for week one, so look for him to
go to the downs once again. Hopefully Jalen Waddle is
okay and can go through a full game. I know
he missed a chunk of Week one, so folks kind
of look if they missed that game, you know, kind
(23:53):
of wondering why that was down. He missed a chunk
of time for a bit there. So and the other
is most Shirts on the injury report as his eight
chan so uh, maybe a little Jalen Wright action as
that bonus sleeper uh waiver wire pickup.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Heck, Jeff Wilson got carries. Yeah, as a Raheem Mostert guy.
I was not happy to see that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Big Mostard guy myself always was going back to his
days with the Boilers.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the uh, we will see how it plays out.
Should be a good matchup, a lot of different wide
receivers for Josh Allen to throw to a lot of
different running backs for to a tongue of Baila to
hand off to. All Right, that'll do it for Ian
Roddy and Mike Carman. I'm Dan Byer. This has been
I Want Your Flex. We'll be back Friday with our
Week two preview with Harmon's rankings and so much more.
(24:39):
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