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September 24, 2024 35 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react live to a Monday night doubleheader, as the Bills dominate the Jaguars. The guys break down why this game solidifies Trevor Lawrence as being nothing more than a league-average quarterback. Washington Post NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to talk the Ravens win over the Cowboys, the future of Bryce Young, and much more. Plus, a new team has joined Sports Stonehenge!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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(00:51):
we got two Monday night games. It's just a bridge. Eventually,
it's a gateway event. You already get to three four
Monday night games at one. Yeah, neither of them are
any good quad experience. It's gonna get well, wait a minute,
the Commanders, Michaels is a little closer. There's more time left.
It is a little bit more in doubt than the bills.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
I like that, sell sell sell, you know, uh look all.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, two mony night games tonight. Pretty soon next year, Hey,
we're gonna have a three games. We have four games
pretty soon. We're gonna have one game Sunday early, one
game Sunday late then like four games Sunday night, four
games Monday night, four games Thursday night. Like that's what
it's gonna be. Eventually, We're just gonna you're gonna get
one game, one local game Sunday in each of the windows.

(01:41):
And that's how we're gonna I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Open an electronics store and I'm gonna have really great
sales on flat screens.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Let's go. You can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Four games, four games on Thursday, four games on Monday. Right,
that's eight, four games Sunday night, that's twelve now for
the week's here is no body you have to have
four other games. So okay, two games and two games late. No,
don't give you a choice, right now, Okay, I kind
of like option yeah yeah, yeah yeah, two on Sunday
each window Sunday for Sunday night is good, innovators, there's

(02:11):
your NFL finature. Let's go, right, now where do we sit. Well,
five and a half to go in the third quarter.
The Commanders have a twenty eight to thirteen lead over
the Bengals. Bengals trying to avoid an zero to three start.
Jamee Daniels has look good, The Commanders offense has look good.
But still some time left here, still a quarter and
a half. Bengals do have the football and they are moving. Meanwhile,

(02:33):
a game that I think I want to say, the
referees absolutely screwed the Jaguars in this game.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
They screwed the Jaguars. Screw the Jaguars. Wow, did they
screw the Jaguars?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right when they said captains come to midfield for the
coin toss. That completely screwed because they had to start
the game. That completely shrew Right when those referees said
it's time to kick off, that screwed the Jaguars. Thirty
seven to ten right now, thirty seven in a row.
The Bills lead the Jaguars early in the fourth quarter.
Josh Allen having a huge game. He's got four touchdowns,

(03:05):
James Cook having a big game, Dalton Concaid having a
big game. And let me just say this, we have
a big conversation quarterback wise you get into But let
me say this, because I think I may be really
far out on this limit. I want you to talk
me back from it. Go ahead, because I may be
out there, may be out there. Oh wow, Jason, you're crazy.
I may be out there.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You mean you're coming out where where I made my super.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Maybe out there. I may be out there with you.
I may be out there. I may be out there. Okay, Okay,
maybe I'm gonna say a hundred percent. Maybe maybe maybe
not maybe maybe maybe maybe not. I mean's a lot
of maybe. Maybe you know, he celebrated the fourteenth anniversar.
You're at thirteenth anniversary. You call me, maybe just the

(03:45):
other day you get to say a few bars while
you're maybe men but the wish in the well. Maybe
maybe the bills don't miss the funding.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, maybe maybe maybe not shock miss I know I'm
out there.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm out there, really you're Joe. Maybe they don't miss
the fund Maybe. I mean, look, now, people are gonna
hate me folloing my goodness, But maybe maybe they don't
miss him.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Wow, Maybe he're out on that high wak. Maybe he
was the issue. Maybe maybe they won't flying Grayson the right.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Maybe not Maybe things are gonna be okay for the
Bill as they seemed to a three and oh start,
and after a couple of games, suddenly the offense looks
even better than it did a year ago. Look when
you see the Bills, they were definitely an either way
team coming into the season.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
They talked really confident about how much they were going
to be good. And Josh Allen talked about the confidence
he had with the guys on the team. And this
shows you just how good a quarterback Josh Allen is.
He's making it work with everybody tonight. This is the
big Hey, Josh Allen can do no wrong.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's got the touchdown pass to James Cook. Should have
two to James Cook. He's got one to Shakiir, He's
got one to Ty Johnson, he's got one to Keyon Coleman.
He's got the one to Kincaide. Andre Reid has caught one.
So but they talked a big don't worry, We're good.
It's okay. Let's see, because you really, who do you

(05:10):
have to stop on offense? Turns out you have to
stop everyone. And and the Bills knew what they were
talking about early on, and you thought this was gonna
be a reset year for the Bills, second half of
Josh Allen's career, and instead we're just as good as anybody.
Maybe we're the best team in the AFC right now.
We have a running game that's going to run people over.
I can, I can distribute the football around. It doesn't

(05:30):
have to be one guy all the time. We have
we're deep. Look, Shakira is running all over the field tonight. Right,
Kincaid is a huge weapon. Maybe he's the new Travis Kelce.
Coleman's the first round pick. It's only called one pass,
but it's a twenty eight yard touchdown. He's got a
lot of skills. Maybe they don't miss the fon Diggs
and having to make sure that hey, if we go
a possession, he doesn't see the ball, I have to

(05:51):
jam one into him and we waste it down because
he's not open. Right, So maybe this was this was
something that they knew and they talked about. They told
us that we, okay, do we want to listen, but
this is a new Bills offense, and clearly they do
not miss the fon Diggs. And maybe it's even better
than it was when they had him tried to.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Play trust games here with the idea that Digs had
found his way out of Minnesota, had a lot of opportunity,
and even with the Bills, right, a lot of opportunities
on a game to game basis, you're talking targets for days.
I have to force feed this guy the ball, which
means I'm putting it into harm's way oftentimes, right, that's
the trade off with sometimes having the number one receiver

(06:32):
that really needs to fit the bill. They did really
well yesterday against Minnesota, by the way, but we'll get
to that in due time. It was a good Jersey exchange.
That was the highlight of his day in that one.
But Starck Hockey, Stefan Diggs, of course, but for Joe Brady,
the OC for Josh Allen. I think it quiets a
lot of folks at least through a couple of weeks

(06:54):
that you know, have still been am out on Josh Allen.
How many years do you need to see it for
you finally believe a little bit. This was not Deon
Sanders mid September last year. Do you believe after two games?
Not after two games? We're talking several years of well,
Digs made look. Diggs made the offense go for a

(07:15):
long time until it became too much. I need the
ball right. And in the second half of the season
they downplayed and downgraded what they did with him. Offense
still moved, offense still worked, and you know they lose
Gave Davis as well, So you lost two guys that
were sure handed receivers for him. But you did have
Khalil Shaker, who you referenced before and all off season.

(07:37):
You know, his stat was the offense the efficiency that
he and Alan had connected on last year, it was
the target reception count was ridiculous in terms of that ratio.
So you have that Kincaid we expected greatness from and
you still have you know, your your other tight end.

(07:58):
You still have Ray Davis who you draft to work
alongside James Cook, so you've got better balance defensively. They're
gonna have maybe some questions along the way because they've
had attrition at the linebacking position all already and in
the back seven.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Not that it mattered today. Well look, and that gets
into a bigger point. The Jason Smiths are with Mike
Carmon live from the tirec dot Com studios. We've told
you for a long time, right when he signed that
big contract extension, right, red light, red light, red light,
Trevor Lawrence is just a guy and you can't put
the whole game tonight on him because clearly, look, the
defense is getting pushed around. But we've seen enough of

(08:35):
Trevor Lawrence to know that he's not great. And we
told you this, hey after three years when he signed
that big contract, right, I put it up on Twitter. Hey,
remember we said danger danger red light. You paid the
guy because you drafted him number one overall. He had
the one good year, not a great year, but he
had the one good year with the big playoff comeback
because he threw four picks in the first half. But

(08:56):
you're paying them because he was a study Clemson. He
was a generational quarter back and he had that one
season with the big playoff win. So you have stars
in your eyes. We got to keep this guy. When
Trevor Lawrence honestly is a league average quarterback, that's kind
of what he is.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
He is at best.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
At best, Could he be a top fifteen quarterback and
really be on the other side of that, Yeah, but
he may And it's not that he's terrible. It's that
you paid him because you found because you want to
believe you have a star quarterback, and you don't. He's
just he turns the ball over way too much. He's
he overthrows receivers still and for someone who and I

(09:33):
read something really great about him earlier today where where
one of the one of the big and one of
those unnamed NFC uh insiders said, look, Trevor Lawrence looks
to me like a guy I've succeeded doing everything at
every aspect of my life in football, and now I
still think I can do stuff that I've succeeded on
my whole life, and I can't anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, I mean, this is the argument we had with
Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
You're right, but that's but everybody and that's not that's
not an uncommon thing many quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Hey, I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
So the kid who's the top dog at a school
in a small town that goes to a big college
and realize, wait, there's other smart people here.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Look at this boy, really no more than I do.
The Winkleviite twins are just so. The thing is everybody
else adjusts. Okay, what can I do? Because this is
now year four in the league for him. Okay, this
is a second coach. They have given him playmakers all
the way through the running backs, even wide receivers. And
he's not terrible.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
He's just a.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
League average quarterback. And you're seeing that he doesn't elevate
the team. He doesn't elevate the guys around him. Sometimes
he'll make really good throws, and sometimes it's what the
hell kind of throw is that? And and this is
the danger. Yes, life is miserable in the NFL without
a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I I look, hey, I'm a check fanways that you're
finally recognizing a quarterback, I'm still I like my guy.
I need the rest to work around him.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
But it's also miserable when you pay a quarterback and
he's not that good sure, because he's not going to
lift you anywhere like this is this is this is
not just day. We got a small sample size. This
is now nearly a quarter of the way into his
fourth year in the NFL, and he's he's just a guy.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
It's also an indictment on Doug Peterson at this point
that he hasn't in a year and a half and
another full off season been able to elevate him, to
get him out of his own way.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, what is it, six straight games coming into
tonight with.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
A completion percentage under sixty percent in today's NFL. That's unconscionable, right,
I mean that that is late seventies eighties, when it
was we're just chucking the ball downfield and trying to
get something to happen.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Nowadays that you use your your tight.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Ends and running backs out of the backfield to where
if you're not at sixty three to sixty four percent
as a starter, as you know, just to start the discussion,
then you don't get to keep your job. Now he
gets paid, you said, because if you don't have a
quarterback in this le, you lose, right, you you don't
have anything. And so now he's what fourth or fifth

(12:06):
on average annual value? How many more guys are coming
up next? Because he's gonna be like twelve before long.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, this is also that in the tract that pisses
off the other owners, going Okay, I get paying Burrow,
I get paid.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It right, But this is a new one.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right, every couple of years there's the one that whoa, whoa,
I get that you like Trevor Lawrence. But this guy's
not doesn't deserve to be in the top three paid.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Quarter got him and Daniel Jones that you have to
look at and just go, wait, what.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Do we do?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
He didn't reset the market and teams they fall in
love with the fact that things could be worse. Right,
It's like relationships, when why are you guys still dating? Well,
if we don't, if we break up, things could always
be worse. If I'm I don't know why I don't
want to be single. You know, I get that this.
We're not both incredibly happy, but we might not be
as happy if we're a part. And I'm kind of

(12:55):
afraid of the unknown. And that's what teams do. Boy,
we have a guy that's a little bit better than
what we've had, But is he really great? Can we
really win? I'm kind of nervous. That's why the Giants
paid Daniel Jones. God, what would life be like if
we didn't have all? Right, let's pay Daniel Jones. Okay,
let's let's now pay Trevor Lawrence. Okay, you're seeing what
life is like. You're owing three, right, You're you're gonna

(13:15):
be You're Oh, you're gonna be owing three and it's
gonna be where's our franchise quarterback? Why do we stink
so much? And this is gonna be the night. We've
been telling you for months that Trevor Lawrence is just
a guy, and now this is where the conversation amps
up and oh, hey, you know, Jason and Mike were
right and they've been telling us that this is where
because when you when you fail like this on a
Monday night, it's a much bigger deal. And this is
where you're gonna start seeing the the Hey, wait a minute,

(13:38):
Trevor Lawrence is not great. Bandwagon can just take off
like a rocket?

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, because last year you could look at the second
half of the season and he played through some injuries
that maybe he shouldn't have. Right, But that's when you're
gonna be the franchise guy. Yeah, you kind of have
to do those things and once you're in between the
white lines.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
We don't really care, right, we don't really care. Can
you give Okay, his first year was Urban Mayer that
it's a loss year. Okay, I get it. Second night
was a little bit better. Okay, third year was injury.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
But the expectation how long you to do that. That's
the thing.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
The expectation after what went on last year, because they
got a break, right because Philadelphia was such a dumpster fire.
Everything that happened the second half of the year, unless
you were actually in Jacksonville or US, you didn't pay
attention to do it. And we watched it unfold and
he kept getting up and getting back on the field,
which is great, showing great heart determination. The expectation with
another year of the offseason with Doug Peterson that this

(14:31):
was going to click. They bring in new receivers, Christian
Kirk's healthy etn that fumble.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Is going to be a play.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
That game against Miami to open the season might be
the thing that keeps it from ever actually finding the rails.
You know, like you're on a ride at an amusement
park and then all of a sudden you stop and
the song just keeps playing around because someone got knocked
off the tracks, like.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Are we going again?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
We'll city Okay, we'll sit here, we'll sit here.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
We expect you to be moving again. Yeah, that may
never get get them back on the damn rails. That
fumble and the subsequent come back by the Dolphins in
Week one.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Look there's two quarterbacks getting paid like franchise quarterbacks on
the field tonight in Buffalo. One of them absolutely deserves it.
You can see. You could see the difference. Josh Allen
was drafted, came up franchise quarterback. Yes, he's proved it.
Trevor Lawrence is not and getting paid like that. I really,
if you don't need to see anything more, if you're
if you're an NFL fan, then go boy. I see

(15:27):
two guys here getting paid all kinds of money to
be franchise guys, and one of them is and one
is just a guy really that you don't need anymore.
Whatever you disagree about the day, you can't disagree when
you see what's going on in your television.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Anybody find any video games or anything he does so
they can denigrate his effort and his love of craft.
You also might just say, hey, I want to be
that guy because I can fail and it's the checks
still gonna sure, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I still got
my signing.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Lots of guys though, lots of guys. You can say
that about lots of guys that aren't doing well getting paid.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Coming up next, NFL insider Jason lockin Forest Topspy will
have the latest on these games tonight. Plus are things
really bad for the Cowboys? Is Sam Darnold.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Really this good? Samall the big news?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
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Speaker 1 (16:42):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon, Yes, Sir, three minutes ago. Mercifully for
the Jaguars, the Bills lead at eighty seven to ten,
sorry forty seven to ten. Meanwhile, the Commanders early in
the fourth quarter now opened up a thirty one twenty
lead over the Bengals, who are looking for their first

(17:03):
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Speaker 5 (17:23):
What's happening, Jay, what's going on? Guy?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Ay? Buddy?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, I look at this and Mike and I tugged
this to start. You know, we in this Bills Jaguars game,
we see there's two guys out there that are getting
paid like franchise quarterbacks. And clearly Josh Allen the superstar
that he is showing he doesn't need Stefon Diggs. And
on the other side is Trevor Lawrence, who is getting
paid and treated like a star because he was a
stud of Clemson and he beat the Chargers that one

(17:48):
game in the playoffs. Like, I don't know what to
do at this point with the whole Hey, Trevor Lawrence,
maybe he's not generational, Jalen, maybe he's not.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
This is not like a short sample size anyone. This
is not urban Meyer has been gone for a long time, like, no,
it's a problem, and giving a guy whose team collapsed
the way it did and frankly the way he collapsed
down the stretch that extension. Look, if the owner wants

(18:17):
to do it, then it's your job to get it done.
If the owner wants to double down and prove that
he finally found his quarterback and you know, and still
belief in the kid, and keep up with market prices
by doing so, you know, you're probably not gonna be
able to talk them out of it, but it can
absolutely cripple your franchise. And I wrote about this recently
into Washington Post talking to some people around the league, Like,

(18:40):
if you're going to keep taking four or five in
the first round, right, if that's going to keep happening
with regularity, and you want to keep playing to keeping
up with the Joneses deal, you know, by year four,
year five, even if they if they've sort of monocum
of progress and they've hit some high notes, like if
you want to keep playing leapfrog with them and paying them,
and then you're going to find yourself in a lot

(19:01):
of trouble because they're not all going to pan out
and there's a lot of fools gold in there that
you can talk yourself into. And there's not much of
a middle class in this league. But like, are you
better off with a Baker Mayfield for fifty five sixty
of what you're paying these other guys or a Gino
you know in that same range, or even a cousin.

(19:24):
Then you know we're now talking fifty five sixty million
dollars for these guys. It's it's it's problematic. It's problematic.
And whether it's Deshaun Watson or it's Tua or it's
Trevor Lawrence, you can, you know, you can go down
the list. Just just go on and spot track and

(19:45):
look at highest annual salary per year for NFL players
and look at some of the quarterbacks who come up.
It's it's going to prove to be bad business for
for a lot of these guys. And the Jacksonville Jaguars
don't have many discernibles rents right now. I don't know
where they go from here. They don't run the ball,

(20:05):
they're not special in defense. They had a few more
defensive backs and linebackers go down in this game. They
got absolutely mauled and the Builds didn't even run the
ball in the first half, Like you know, you thought
the bulls of the Builds them playing vulleyball. I mean
they just destroyed them with short passes, you know, and
crossers and sidelines and screens, and then eventually hit some

(20:28):
big stuff once they started putting the game out of reach.
I mean they never even really had to lean in
to the run game, and they still completely dismantled them. Yeah,
it's good luck, good luck in.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Jacksonville, operation obliteration. So I'll ask the age old question.
I mean, it's as simple as I could put it.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
How about them Cowboys, Well, it's the worst run stop
thing D line in the NFL. I mean they don't
have any D tackles. They don't have anybody who's there
is a legitimate run stuff for you know, the trader
for Jordan Phillips, he's hurt. You know, the kid Matzew
Smith is not a football player at this point in time,

(21:08):
Like he's not affected for them. He came into this
game against the Ravens without a tackle all year and
then was a part of a D line they gave
up two hundred and seventy four rushing yards to the Ravens.
I mean, the Ravens had three guys all carry the
ball at least six times. They all average at least
six yards of carry. Like it's ridiculous. They can't hold up.
If you want to run inside power and double team
their d tackles, they can't hold up. If you want

(21:29):
to use speed and use sprint plays to the outside,
just run to whatever side Michael Parsons isn't on, You're
gonna find a lot of joy. Like I think, you know,
I'm already looking at Daniel Jones props for Thursday night,
Like Daniel Jones against Dallas Cowboys at home as he
tended to run nine times or more. Like if he
runs nine times in this game, he's going to get

(21:50):
you know, he might get fifty fifty yards, maybe more,
maybe sixty. Yeah, it's got major problems. And they can't
run the ball. Guys. They have a minus three thirty
six rushing differential. All yeah, think about that, Like that's impossible.
Like if you look at the advanced metrics, they're winning
the Triple Crown most yard allowed before contact, lowest success

(22:12):
rate against the run in the NFL, and their run
the EPA is minus eighteen, Like the next closest team
is the Rams a like minus six point seven, Like
they're on another planet than everybody else, and the personnel
just isn't there to run the ball or stop the run.
You know, keep playing Dak Prescott passing attempts. You know,

(22:33):
they keep setting it at the beginning of the week
at thirty five, going over that he's gonna have to
throw forty times for them to move the ball because
they can't run, and they're gonna give up yards and
points defensively deeps giving up eleven rushing touchdowns in their
last four games. Guys, like, you can't make this stuff up.
I mean, including the playoff game. I'm going back to
last year like it's broken. It's broken, and the NFC

(22:58):
is better this year than it's been in a long time.
So God speak Jerry, And how about Jerry coming out
after the beginner? I didn't have any money for Darren?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
How about that? Oh my god, figured he was going
to start up, don't Chris? Hey, Jay, flip side of this?

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Now?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Hey, how come you guys can't close games?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
There? How come the rift? How come the rift?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Everything comes down to the had you had a fifty
point lead yesterday you couldn't climb me.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Come on, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well, the amazing thing about it is, it's it's basically
been a little bit of everything. Like it's been the
offensive coordinator at times just not you know, wanting to
run the clock out or not sticking to the run. Now,
that wasn't the issue yesterday. Yesterday it was best teams.
I mean the kicker, who's the first ballot Hall of Famer,

(23:46):
who's the best money kicker maybe in NFL history. Most
people would say it's like it's one thing when he's
not making from fifty anymore, Like he can't make for
forty five now on a perfect day to kick a ball,
you know, in perfect conditions and no wind or anything.
So like he this is that you know, you have
to basically tell people now where you're on side kicking,
Like I feel like you almost have to like spray

(24:07):
paint a circle on the turf, you know, like they
do in soccer ten yards for you know, a free kick,
Like I feel like you almost have to put it
a circle there where you're going to kick it to
eleven yards downfield. Like that's what's going on now, And
they flowers still cutting, you know, field an onside kick yesterday,
and then you've got the defense itself, which somehow gave
up one hundred and ninety one yards and seven point

(24:28):
one yards per play. It's the worst fourth quarter defense
in the NFL. It was the worst fourth quarter defense
for quite a bit under Mike McDonald, as good as
he was. So there's a lot that's going in there.
Oh and sometimes John Hardball just you know, gives timeouts
and challenges away just you know, everybody in the field
saying don't throw the flag, including his quarterback, and he
throws it anyway. So that plays a role in the two.

(24:49):
I mean, that had something to do with the Raiders loss.
So it's just a collective mindset. They're just not very
smart with the lead all the way around. And we're
now talking different defensive coordinators. So I don't know, guys,
I don't know. But Lamar Jackson opened that game and
then Lamar Jackson closed that game like you're lucky when

(25:10):
you have a Lamar Jackson, like they needed a first
down desperately, and he makes a great pass and then
he has a ten yard quarterback sneak after the or
not really sneake designed quarterback run after the two minute
warning and they kill it off. But I don't know
how to explain it. It's been going on a long time.
It's hard to explain.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Well, you mentioned the Raiders as you gave the answer
there going back to week two and the collapse. Well,
the Raiders didn't bother to show up at home and
let Andy Dalton the Red Rifle go nuts. Antonio Pierce
after the game, talking about business decisions, how quickly is
DeVante Adams traded once ad O'Connell takes over as the

(25:51):
quarterback here?

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, these guys have bowed up and
done some things since Antonio Pierce has been there. Now,
I don't know, maybe this is critical mass. I mean,
Jesus with Whene comes at your fast. A week ago,
they pulled off the upset of Yeah, yeah, I mean,
like they overcame a ten point deficit at Baltimore. They
completely shut them out in the second half. Like, I

(26:15):
don't know, guys like that defense came into that game
allound seventeen point two points per game under Antonio Pierce, Like,
I don't know that it's completely all of a sudden now,
you know, irrevocably over, like, who do they have this
week Cleveland? I mean first team to five wins that one, Like,
I don't know, that's not a question that they don't
win that game, you know, and then now you know,

(26:36):
here we go. It's a week to week league. But yeah,
I don't I don't think DeVante Adams can be real happy.
I mean, that was a weird week where I thought
Adams and Bowers would both go off and neither one
saw the ball really at all. And I don't think
it's because all of a sudden. You know, Carolina Panthers
are an incredible coverage team. So I don't know. Man,

(27:01):
my suspicion is he sticks with Minshew. I mean, I
would be surprised if they made that move right now.
But yeah, I also think they've they've you know, the
Devanta Adams thing is never really as much as he
had individual success. I mean, if you watch the Wide
Receiver documentary, it's obviously been a struggle for him dealing

(27:25):
with all this losing coming from Green Bay where they
were competing with the Super Bowl every year.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Hey, lastly, Jay flip side of that game with Andy
Dalton playing so well, what kind of trade offers are
the Panthers really getting.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
For by Young.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't think they're getting any I mean people aren't.
It's just really not really how it works.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
And yeah, how do you think from the Panthers put
that out there?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Hey we're getting we don't really want offers, but we're
getting them.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
I mean, come on, oh yeah, we're just being over Well. Look,
I don't think he has a future there even if
Andy Dalton didn't come out and look like, you know,
the best quarterback in the NFL, they weren't. I don't
I just I don't know, guys, it's not my report.
I don't know what to say about it. Like you know,

(28:19):
that stuff's coming out forty eight hours after the kid
was benched. I don't know. I know a lot of gms,
like I don't know too many of them are trying
to trade for a backup, but like you know what
I mean that that immediately becomes the priority week three,
Like let's try to beat somebody to punch for Bryce Young.
I also don't think that they'd sell on him right now.
And it's a long season and Andy Dalton's like thirty six,
thirty seven, thirty eight, and Young might need to play again.

(28:41):
And frankly, would they want to sell this low on
him either way?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Right?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Like it's like if somebody if this was like right
before the trade deadline, you know what I mean, and
a couple of teams lost their quarterback then like I
could see it. But whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
He's on Twitter at Jason and that is at Jason
lock andfora Odyssey one oh five seven the Fan in Baltimore,
Washington Post. Jay is always buddy appreciated.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
We'll talk to you next week. Enjoy the games.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
You guys are the same.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Thank you, Thanks Jason.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well we can have that Caleb Williams or.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Jayden Daniels conversation now, oh boy, The Jason Smith Show
with Mike Carmon live from the ti raq dot Com Studios.
Jayden Daniels just got hit like Thanos hit iron Man,
and he still throws a perfect drop to McLaurin for
a touchdown. Who gets interfered with all shades of ways
doesn't matter. Touchdown, Washington thirty eight, twenty six, two minutes

(29:44):
to go in the fourth quarter. If you need any
evidence that this kid's going to be a star, that's
the only play you need. That's that's it right there.
What tells he's going to be a star? You watch
it that the sun gets blotted out in front of
him and still it's a perfect tear drop of a
touchdown pass. Are you starting to say, uh, lyrics from
paying it black? Is that what you're gonna do? Didn't

(30:04):
want to see the sun anyway? Twenty one to twenty three,
two fifty four and two, also forty yards and a
touchdown on the ground. I mean, he's been masterful in
this game. They've done a great job, Kingsbury and the
coaching staff just pulling the strings all night, the guts
to go for it on fourth and four and getting
that completion to zach Ertz and then dropping it absolutely

(30:27):
in the bucket from a glory and he goes to
one hundred yards. That's his fourth catch of the night.
Bigger style points for the second passing touchdown for mister
Daniels because the first one goes to Trent Brown.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, fat guy touchdown.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Let's go big guy touch, big guy touch, big guy touch.
So fact guy, big big guy touchdown. Doesn't a big
guy touchdown. That's how it said. Now, big guy touchdown,
Come on, man, big guy touchdowns. How it is Madden
got away with it for years.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Okay, are you CJ Stroud, Big, Caleb Williams and me
right now?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So it's a little bro.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Because I'm gonna come back over the top and I'm
gonna go Sam Darnal.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay, we'll have more on this game coming up in
a few minutes. Bengals football a couple minutes left to go. Meanwhile,
the biggest story the day after Sunday that was Week
three in the NFL has to do with Raiders head
coach Antonio Pierce not happy how his team responded and
played as they got blown out by the Panthers and
Andy Dalton. Speaking of fantos, Andy Dalton is also inevitable

(31:27):
not happy with his team's effort across the board. He
went on to talk about business decisions that he felt
some of his players made during the loss to Carolina.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
No, he didn't. I think as the game went on,
I don't think it was a team it was. I
think there was definitely some individuals that made business decisions.
And we'll make business decisions going forward as well. Okay,
all right, we don't and we're getting blown out by
the worst team in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's gonna be bad anyway. Why am I gonna try? Look,
this is how the Raiders operate, right They they can't
get out of their own way. They haven't been able
to get out of their own way for a long time.
The Raiders are the newest team. I'm telling you right now,
I'm putting them in sports stoneheads. Oh you're you're drifting
them as stone stonehenge. Right, you remember you were starting
to bring Nebraska out and then I think.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I was right.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I opened the door, and then I just wanted.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
To see how close to the door you were. Okay,
now I'm closed and beep close, Like what are you
doing putting them back?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Look a sports stoneheng like Stonehenge, a place that meant
something a long time ago, but now nobody really knows
why it was a big deal. I mean that's where
the Raiders are. I mean the Raiders. I mean the
Raiders have become irrelevant right like it used to be
for a long time. No matter what these three teams did,
they made news, right, Cowboys, Steelers, Raiders, Right, the three

(32:46):
throwbacks the three teams that built the NFL from the
sixties to the modern NFL we see in the seventies,
in the eighties, those are the three teams no matter what,
they built the NFL. And now the rate Cowboys and
Steelers still the same, right, We still about this stupid
ass Steelers quarterback controversy that now should be officially over.
But the Raiders, the Raiders are no longer relevant. Have

(33:07):
been relevant for a long time. I said, they can't
get out of their own way. They don't know how
to build, they don't know how to build any sustainability
for success. They're still trying to figure out the quarterback position,
and ownership is bad and the team has run more poorly,
and they've been bad for a long time. They have
become irrelevant. It used to be, Hey, the big black jerseys.

(33:28):
Everybody loved wearing them. Everybody's scared of the Raiders and
it was always fun. Then when they were bad, it
was haha, look can make fun of the Raiders. How
bad they are right now? Then they've never gotten out
of that mode of being bad. You're talking about a
good almost near twenty year after rich, a near twenty
years of the Raid. The Raiders are completely irrelevant now
in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
They do have a really good stadium though it looks
like the Death Star, and it sells out, Like I saw,
all the jokes once again, right to take over here
at so far with the forty nine er fans.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
NFL doesn't care as long as there's asses and seats
and they're buying beer. And same thing in Las Vegas with.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
The Raiders, where the value proposition for the franchise has
risen markedly and they still have a huge presence here
in La They've got the.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Best of all worlds. Good football, No, not so much.
They had the huge win against the Ravens last week,
is like, all right, they showed a lot of the
heart and everything that was supposed to be under Antonio Pierce,
and a week later he's calling him gutlass talking about
how he's.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Got nobody that wants to play four quarters of football. Meanwhile,
that's interspersed on most news reports with here's another picture
of DeVonta Adams on the bench looking all sullen and defeated.
All that offseason stuff. How many interviews did he do
for that wide receiver show?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I think we were the only show we did a
doctor because he already did twelve that day. I think
that was sure.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
People know, hey, you can trade for me. I'm a
good dude and I'm gonna try, and you can trade
for me the deadline, man, I'll be excited.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I'll be ready to go. And then Gardner minshew, like
there are two three passes. You know, as we were
talking with with loking forward, you know, talking about the
tight ends like, oh, he just didn't throw it to
him here. I have no reason. I have to understand why.
Hey Gardner, how.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Did you miss him? You threw to him fifteen times
or whatever it was last week, this seek, he's invisible.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Just insanity, business, all unraveled business decisions.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
They're completely stone irrelevant. We get back into the biggest
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