Hour 4 – Dave Roberts Gave the Yankees Life!

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon breakdown Dave Roberts decision to roll with a bullpen game tonight. Mookie Betts spoke on the fan interaction and the fight from the Yankees facing elimination. And the Colts bench Anthony Richardson for Joe Flacco!

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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome inside final hour tonight, the Jason Smith Show
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(00:52):
point Todnight be celebrating the Dodgers in a World Series sweep.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Figure you'd be drunk.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
No, why would I be drunk? I don't know celebration.
We got enough Dodger fans around here you might have
just gotten they'd all be drunk. Well, but I mean,
I'm yeah, man, I'm a bleeping profession It only take stop.
They make zem a light. No no, no, no, no
no no no come on stop stop stop waity way
can I order ZEMA light? However, I don't think they

(01:18):
make ze man you sure, no, no, no, I actually,
you know what. Here's the thing. I remember going to
a you can get well you can at least get
the bar bar Seema is like the you knowema is. Okay,
Zeema was how do I say this?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, no, it sounded like, you know, it was really cool? Okay, No,
you know how Richard Petty was the conduit of NASCAR
from the when it was the cult sport that it was,
and then he was the conduit that brought it into
and you're right, and he brought it into more popularity
where guys like Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart took over

(02:03):
right like he's the conduit. He was great. I thought,
you don't like Elvis. I wish you said the King did.
Elvis was watching the White Sox on TV and he
shot his television. Uh no, that is true. So uh
magic Johnson between the conduit U. Zeema is the conduit

(02:26):
from the from the nineties to all those hard lemonades
that we get now and seltzer like that was the
the forefathers of this dridden. Now that so many people like, oh,
it's a spiked seltzer, it's this, it's that. No, I
remember zeema. It was lemon and then whatever malt liquor
back in the ninety whatever its zem. I remember going
to Zema parties. Hey, we had zeema at the bart.

(02:46):
And I have a Zema party, you get hammered off
old duels. No, I don't drink o duels. I don't
drink aduls. No no, I don't just don't. I don't drink.
I don't drink a duels. I can I can get you.
I can't find the alcohol. I can find you. Plenty
of bar signs advertising zemo. There were for your house.
There was a girl I met once that when did

(03:07):
you give her a hat? No? No, no, we met We
met out at a bar once and we're kind of
into each other. And she said, this is back in
the nineties when I was single, And she goes, hey,
why why do you know? Why don't she I because
my Mike could be listening. You know, hey, you know
the kid, I'd sink it up. So uh, she says, hey,
why don't we meet up? What are you doing Thursday night?

(03:30):
I said, I don't know. She was, Oh, come, there's
a zema party at whatever bar it was in Syracuse.
There's a zema party at this bar. Why don't you come? Like, yeah, awesome,
what times? Because oh, it's seven to eleven meet me there.
I'm gonna get there around seven thirty. I said, okay, great, right,
so we'll so go and I leave and I go
to my friend and go, you know what a zema
party is? He goes, No, I go, there's one at

(03:50):
this bar on Thursday night that that she wants me
to go to. I think Daniko was her name. And uh,
she said that Danika wants me to go to and
and and I don't know. I don't know what it is, like.
I don't like, do I wear a toga like? I
don't know what a zema part? I don't know idea
what part? And I couldn't go look anything up. This
is before the internet. I'm like, I don't know what

(04:11):
a zema party. So I asked so many people, what's
They're like, Oh, no, Zema is that like lemon malt
liquor drink that people have parties? Where they bring it there.
I go, oh, that's all it is. I go, there's
no costumes or anything. No, I don't think so. I'm
pretty sure that's where Tom Cruise met Nicole Kitten. I
was that was in a move that was in a movie,
and and you had to have the password Fidelia. Last

(04:32):
word was Zema Fidelia light, Fidelia. I found zema citrus.
I can't find zema light, okay, but I can get
this ship to us, okay, drinking, we can have a
zema party. Oh show uh So I remember going. I
don't think we saw each other after that night, but
I remember going, not knowing what to expect. I'm like, oh,

(04:53):
this is just a night at a bar and they're
giving these zemas. Oh okay, great, that's what it was.
But I remember really nervous going. I don't know. It
took me like a day and a half to find
out what is it? Dad, you know what zeema is?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, that was what what zeema? I don't know, all right?
And I asked a bit. I don't know, I don't know.
Then I found out that's what it was. I'm like,
all right, So I feel okay because I don't want
to go to a party dressed up in a toga
and it's a Zema party. Zema Zema, Zema Zema. I
don't know, but you'd be the hero if you did
show up, and I'd tell you, what, why is this guy?
You're in a time I think you can say the

(05:25):
party's over here, and suddenly it would be more about
you than the zema. The kid showing up with that
kind of style, particularly if you had a nicely colored
sash against your white backdrop. I don't know that there's
any girl that's going to go back to her friends
and say, you know who, I like, Yo, who's hot
that dude in the toga? Like? I don't. I don't
think that happens. Oh, I think it absolutely. I don't.

(05:46):
I don't. I don't think that happens because it's almost
like wearing a kilt, unless you're getting away with a
lot of stuff, unless you're in some sort of like Roman.
I'm out there and I love it. You're like it's
some sort of Roman themed party where it's like, oh,
where everybody's dressing up like former kings and czars of Rome.
You know, I mean, well, why couldn't it just be.
This is this is how I operate. This is my

(06:08):
my party mode. This is my Thursday where I wear
Toga's on Thursday. Well, I mean that's what people are
gonna do this Thursday. On Wednesdays, we wear Tell me
you don't want to go out and watch to Tom Fooler.
We after we're done with the show and watching the
Jets lose on Thursday. On Thursday, we wear togas instead
of pink. Yeah. The Chase and Smith Show and Mike
Carmen live in the tire rack dot Com studios. All

(06:29):
right now, I think next time I want the actual
version of the song. That is, No, it's not as you. No,
you do a good job, but that's preapproved. No, he
doesn't have to go through clearances. That we don't have
to go through clearances for anything. You could just play
it instead of playing Fleetwood Mac every single five minutes,
the same songs. We get dreams every bleeping night. We don't, Yes,

(06:51):
we do. We get dreams every night. You play dreams
every night because we're dreaming. But you just said you
play dreams every night. I don't every night. No, I don't.
I guarantee it. I guarantee I don't. I don't lie.
Do you know what you can lie? You can lie
to yourself, but don't lie to America. I don't lie
to America. Yeah you do. You play dreams every night
to America. How do I lie to America? Tell them

(07:12):
the Jets are good. I never said that, and I'm
sure if we go back to week one game, I
said it the last week. I never said that in
the last week. No, there's no way. I've never said that. No,
And I know we don't save shows more than a week,
so you can't go back and proof the other way around.
I haven't said it the last week. You can find
the podcast wherever you download your audiober you know how
I know Alex isn't How do I know? Because he's

(07:34):
not here every night that that is true. He's a
Lamar odom, a Fox Sports radio every other night. He's
here I need a wheelchair every third night. That's Pierce.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, completely different, dude, Lamar's goad. He's the rest of
them too, though, Yeah, but that's different reasons different. Yeah
at the Bunny Rams. Wait, that's why I met I
told you. Yeah, yeah, you met Lamar down the street,
down down the street. Car. Okay, all right, very nice.
He was coming out of a novelty that was a
lot of like you know, uh cosplay outfits. You could say, Okay, yeah,

(08:07):
was he wearing his old Clipper jersey? No, all right,
I'm glad he was wearing anything. Okay, that's that's true.
Uh No, from Zeema to Game four of the World Series. Uh.
I am still stunned with the Dave Roberts Dodger pitching plan,
and I really don't understand it. I do like you
now calling it the Dave very Robert's pitching plan, like

(08:30):
it's Amansky, or like we talk about things politically, it's
the Milton Friedman economic plan, or it's the it's the
Dave Roberts pitching plan. I don't get the Dave Roberts
pitching plan. It was. It was incredibly brave and it
was bold, and I don't know why they did it,
Like it was all of these things. The Dodgers come

(08:52):
into tonight with a bullpen game, and I understand that
in theory, because hey, they don't have a lot of starters.
They have three starters and nine relievers. They need a
bull game, Okay. And in the NLCS, I understood the
philosophy of continuing to throw out the low leverage arms
that they did in Game two in Game six against
the Mets, because Hey, this is how we're gonna start

(09:14):
the game. And as the game started, the Mets got
out to big leads early in game two. In game six,
so I get it. Dave Roberts is saying, Okay, you
know what, We're still gonna have guys like Casparius come
in and and Knak is gonna pitch a little bit,
and then Honeywell will come in. We're not gonna go
to our high leverage guys because we're chasing. We're losing
six to one and five nothing. We're probably not gonna
win this game, and we need to set up for

(09:35):
the rest of the series. So I kind of understood
that weird to say, hey, we're not gonna fight to
get back in this game. Because the Mets were up
six to one in the third inning of Game two,
It's like, Wow, you're done already. You're done it. It's
a thirty you're done already. Okay, but here's Game four
the World Series, and they can win the World Series tonight,
and I get. I get you're starting with Casparius. You're
going from there, Freddie Freeman, Homer's in the first and

(09:58):
you're winning two to nothing. You're winning two to one.
It's a close game. It's a five to four game
through seven innings, it's a one run game. And still
the Dodgers threw their low leverage guys out there, and
there was no point where Dave Roberts went to one
of his better relievers. He could have done it the
third inning, the fourth inning, could have maybe stopped Volpi's

(10:18):
Grand Slam. You had a chance to win the World
Series tonight, and instead the Dodgers chose, we would rather
set up our pitching for the rest of the series
than commit to trying to win tonight. Not that they tanked,
but they clearly said, hey, winning is a second bonus tonight.
If the winnings are boney, well, we'd rather we're okay losing.

(10:39):
We think we're gonna lose the game. But what I
really want to do is set up our pitching the
rest of the way, so we have our starters ready
for games five, six and seven, and I have the
high leverage guys in the bullpen ready for games five,
six and seven. Because in theory, flarity, Yamamoto. They're gonna
go five or six innings, so we can go to
the high leverage guys. But this is a game that

(10:59):
was there for you in the beginning, so didn't get
away from you. This wasn't a game where something you're losing.
You were up by two runs, then it was a
one run game. Then you made it a one run
game really fast after they took the lead, and still
you decided to give the game up, like the Dodgers
weren't happy unless we were gonna get ready for Game five,
and we're gonna continue to roll with our bad pitchers.
And finally, Honeywell couldn't stend the tide anymore. In the eighth,

(11:22):
he gives them a big home run and the Dodgers
go on to lose to the Yankees eleven to four.
And what the Dodgers have done now is they've given
the Yankees' life. Yankee Stadium was crazed. It wasn't the
maza leum you thought it would be. Coming out. We
won one game. The Yankees are feeling confident. Even our
in judge got a hit. They're screaming and yelling with
each other after the game. And now you've giving them
life going into Game five where they have their best

(11:44):
picture going. If the Yankees got up early in this game,
I would get it. If they got it was a
five to nothing game, and you know, and you had
the home run, the grand Slam from Volpi was fired.
I get not chasing it. But the game was there
for you to win tonight. And still with the game
and the balance, the Dodgers decided no, No, winning is secondary.
Winning tonight is secondary. Setting up our pitching for the

(12:05):
rest of the series is what we want to accomplish.
When A, you wouldn't need the rest of the series
if maybe you treated tonight like a game you could win,
and B maybe you wouldn't need to worry about it
and you wouldn't give the Yankees life going into Game five,
Like these are things that it passes understanding why they
wouldn't adjust on the fly with it. Because you had
a chance to win this game, to keep the Yankees down.

(12:27):
If you bring in your high leverage of levers, maybe
they don't may maybe they don't get to six run,
they don't get to seven run. They'll get the four runs.
But you had a chance through five six innings to
say Hey, this is there for us. But in a
one run game, the Dodgers are still saying, Nope, still
our worst guys are here, and if somehow we can
pull out a win with our worst pitchers pitching, Hey,
we're the World Series champions, but we don't think we're

(12:48):
gonna win. And more importantly, we're not set up to
do that tonight. I have never seen a World Series
game where a team that can win in any event,
but especially team that can win the World Series, but
in any aspect, any strategy, say winning the game tonight
is secondary. I mean, who does that? And now the
Dodgers have just have because of doing this. They let
the Yankees back in the World Series, they were in danger.
Letting the Mets back in they were able to win.

(13:10):
It worked out for them. But again that was a
different situation than what the Dodgers had to do tonight,
where hey, the games and the balance we could win,
we could I don't know, it could go either way. Nope,
still go with our worst pitchers. Yeah, it's it's curious, right,
as we've been sitting there over the course of the night,
and we've been debating it, and as you wander the hall,
you start really kind of pondering this and in a
whole other level, trying to look at Game five and

(13:32):
how things progress, right, obviously Garrett Cole back on the
mound for the Yankees, and we get Flarity back on
for the Dodgers, and trying to decide, you know, the
the ebb and flow of a series and how much
this constant, how much you can carry over and game
the game, how much really does we know? Obviously you know,

(13:54):
tired arms, et cetera, waiting on trying or copick maybe
to give you another inning and through when it was
five to four. But in the end, honeywell for the season,
even if he wasn't the high leverage guy. He pitched
to a two six y three ERA in his twenty
appearances on the year. It's not bad, right, It's solid

(14:17):
walk grate a little higher than you'd like nine and
his what thirty four innings with the Dodgers. Not a
huge strikeout rate there, but all in it, had pitched
pretty well, had been able to get out, so he
just had the the awful outing knack would have expected.
He'd gone well, you allowed him to just battle and

(14:38):
add innings. He only gave up one run right. So
in that end, at least from the Knack side of thing,
the Knack it worked out really well. There was no
Sharona for the Knack tonight, DJ nicely done, whereas with
Honeywell it just went off the rails pretty fast. But
by that point you'd already made your decision. This is

(14:58):
how you were going to finish the game six to four,
and then it gets away. But as we've said her
over the course of the nights, one game shouldn't a
series lose, and it's never happened before. But as we
always say, you're saying there's a chance and leaving the
door open is a dangerous proposition. The Yankees are a

(15:20):
good team, right, It's not like Dodgers won ninety eight games,
but clearly we've seen it done in a very unique
style with the amount of bullpen management, roster management that
they've had to do throughout the year. And now you
get Garrett Cole. Is he gonna be brilliant? I don't know,
But you've opened the door for them to force it

(15:41):
back to LA. Now they have to win three in
a row to take you down and game, but that's
the same They become independent operatives kind of like a
roll of the dice. You wanted Game five, you got
Game five. Congratulations. Now we'll see what happens tomorrow. You
want a Game five, We got it, We got Game five.
You hate Dave Roberts, you got Game five. I hate
that threat. Can't stand it, you know, but we'll hear

(16:02):
from Dave Roberts. You actually just talked about it a
few minutes ago. We'll hear that coming up next, as
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Speaker 2 (17:09):
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Speaker 1 (17:20):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon.
Drinking velvet, Oh yeah, they make Zema velvet. Oh hey,
pat and that idea? You kidding? Someone's gonna patent Zema velvet.
H I haven't heard that drop in a long time.
There's a reason. Ah. We got a couple of big

(17:41):
stories out of the NFL. But first little postgame reaction.
Coming off of Game four the World Series, the Dodgers decide, hey,
we're gonna throw at our worst relievers, that's great, and
the yegg we're also not gonna hit. No, we're also
gonna have really bad at bats to try to just
get this game over. Freddie freemanill hit a home run,
but that's gonna be it, and the Dodgers go on
to lose to the Yankees eleven four. The Yankees stay

(18:03):
alive another day. We talked few minutes ago. I can't
believe the Dodgers plan of continuing to stick with their
lower tier relievers when they could have won the game,
when they were losing, when it was one, when they
were winning, and when it was a run one game,
one run game. Here's Dave Roberts explaining that decision, what
he thought of what he saw from his pitchers in
the game tonight, knowing obviously choice number one is to

(18:24):
win tonight. But since that didn't happen. I don't mean
this is sound flipped. Did this outcome in terms of
pitching playout as well? As ye absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I don't think anyone expected those guys to lay down,
And we had some at bats that I thought could
have been better, but we knew it was a bullpen game,
and you know as far as outcomes to have, you know,
six guys in your pen that are feeling good, rested.
I feel good about that and being up three to one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, So in other words, yeah, winning, winning was not
the number one priority tonight. Just think about that exact game, man,
Winning tonight was not the number one priority. If we won, great,
it's a bonus. But winning tonight is not a prior.
Look how excited he was. We played the game and
I didn't have to use any of my really good
pitchers and we he sounds excited. Oh look, how great
it was up three to one, you lost the game.

(19:19):
You had a chance to win the World Series. But no, no, no,
this plan of not putting the good pitchers and even
when we could have won the game, No, no, no,
we're sticking with that. Wow, that's some strategy man, he's
thinking of. That's just wow. I really did. I like
the way the question was framed, though, Yeah, well not
to be the frame he could have just said, Hey, obviously,

(19:39):
winning the game tonight was no priority. Number two priori
Number one was pitching your bad guys in the bullpen
and not using the good ones. How was that? And
Dave Roberts answer would have been exactly the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh we saw it tonight getting the guys they're arrested,
and now being up three one. Oh yeah. How excited
he was?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
He?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
When have you ever heard a guy excited to lose
a World Series game? When is a manager ever been
excited to lose a World Series game? But the plant
was to have the bad pitchers out there and our
second tier guys, and boy, that worked. That's exciting. Come on,
I'm not I can't even do that after a Jets
You have to walk around lat Her. Be careful. You

(20:16):
made it sound like Dave Roberts was happy to lose. No,
the Dodgers. He wanted to win the game, but he
wanted to but he wanted to have it like he
wanted to have a whopper. He wanted in his way,
whiz with whiz without again, DoD you wanted game five?
Congratulations you did, You had all kinds of chance. No, congratulations,
you have Game five. Now it's there. Meanwhile, Mookie Betts,

(20:37):
who we talked about that earlier in the show a
couple of times. A viral moment where fan Pride open
his glove, another fan grabbed his hand as he caught
tried to catch a fly ball in the stands in
the first ending of the game, which again I'm not
surprised about because this is the way behavior is at games,
but it's still shocking to see fans go to the
extent of I will pry your glove open to get

(20:59):
that ball. Now they've able to exit the park with
it and be able to verify it. How much it'd
been worth. Knowing that the Otani ball went for four
point four this would have been worth about forty five bucks.
It's a foul ball baseball. It's a foul yeah, but
it's a World Series foul ball that you skilled from
Mookie bleeping dead? So what I took right from his

(21:20):
GLA assaulted the man and I got this ball? What's
the uh? What's the uh? The the certificate of authenticity,
here's the picture of me. But I'll get the grimacing
out my face and looking at how I covered my
face thinking he was gonna hit me with his glove. So, Jason,
this is exclusive audio that you're only gonna hear here.
Oh boy, Mooky said to the fan while while there

(21:41):
during the interaction. So wait, so while this was going on, Yeah,
so we have audio of Mooki talking to Harmon's product
up who tried to grab the ball. This is him
talking to them, all the two guys in the Bears caps.
All right, let's hear it.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Good not even mother.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, he was mad, Mookie off it. That's what I
would be saying. Guys tried to do me like the
Luke Skywalker and the thing on hawf Man tried to
take my arm. I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Here was Mookie really being asked about it? Following the game.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
What happened with that's irrelevant. We lost, didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Wow, that's it not talking. I'm done with this. I
love it, done said beat it. We lost the game,
It doesn't matter. What a New York but won Let
me tell you, I'd be blankety blanking that guy. So
I think I want to buy you a drink because
I was a dude. I don't if you noticed, but
I was a guy that pulled that ball out of
mooki Bets's glove right like I got a lot of guts,

(22:55):
right like I like I'm a I'm a catch right
like like he tried to catch that ball at it
and my right here, Hey, ringo, come here, Hey, Ringo,
he was able to grab his arm right hold up,
But I was a guy to pride open his glove
right at that Pookie Betts's glove right. So I think
you should go out with me because it is how long?
How long before those two guys are in a video
with Big Justice and the Rizzler. I think they three caning.

(23:17):
They come and throw out the first Baltemar not at
the game.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
They were at the game.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
They get somebody to dress up in a Dodger uniform
that looks like they're gonna throw out the first ball,
and then they come and they gram it out of
that person's glove, and then they throw out the first pick.
Start singing, we bring the boom, the Chase the Smithson
with Mike Carbon live from the tire rack dot Com Studios.
Now a couple of big stories out of the NFL

(23:42):
as well. Tonight we saw a huge quarterback change. The
Colts are going away from Anthony Richardson and instead Joe
Flacco will now be the new starting quarterback, going forward
Chain Stike and making that announcement after a conversation with
the coaches. We can't put that guy back out there
right Listen, listen. Huh. And maybe the final straw was

(24:03):
the now famous Anthony Richardson taking himself out of the
game because he needed a breather, because he ran the
ball three plays in a row. He should have started.
He's just have done it like a song like he
was doing one bourbon, one Scotch.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And you mean it against a post.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, not that I'm tired. Not a great look, not
a great look. But that's not that big a deal.
That's very overrated. What's underrated is the one thing that's
keeping him from being a star quarterback and why he's benched.
So one thing, just one thing, just one thing right
out of everything and once histically one and mechanics and everything,

(24:42):
it all boils down to one thing, one thing. What
is one thing, one thing that's stopping him from being
a star? One thing from being a star. Yes, one
thing is not from being just functional from being a star.
One thing. You know what that is? That's what that is?
What is that thing? He stinks? Yeah, that's the one

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thing keeping him from being a star. Forty is re
a completion rate is really impressive. When I see seven
for twenty nine, I'm saying, is is that what D'Angelo
Russell shot last night. No oh, that's what. Sorry, but
Anthony Richardson is just bad. He's not a good quarterback.

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He flashed a tiny bit in the early part of
the season last year, and then he couldn't stay healthy.
And the worst part of this is that I think
he's done. I think he's done in Indianapolis, and he's
gonna wind up being a guy that tries to hang
on somewhere in that way. He's like Bryce Young. He
looks terrible. He looks like he can't complete a pass,
doesn't like he knows what he wants to do, where

(25:46):
to go with the football. He just hasn't played right.
He had a handful of games in college. Now you're saying, okay,
now come and navigate the NFL. And the problem is,
and this is why I think he's done and Indianapolis
is gonna move on from him and he's they're gonna
be getting a new quarterback in the offseason, is that
he's not going to get the opportunity clearly to play
through things right, because he needs to play. If you're

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gonna do anything, he needs to play. He's the poster.
He's the poster quarterback. For hey, if we owned a
team that played in the spring and ran our style
of offense, and you started twelve games in the spring, right,
if we had, he's the post, he's the poster quarterback
for now, that would help him. But he's never going
to get that opportunity. Clearly they want him to take

(26:28):
a step back. And Joe Flacco, who is inevitable, is
now back starting quarterback for the Colts, which probably is
gonna make Alec Pierce and Josh Down's very very happy.
But I don't I don't know how you go back
to him. And I know they're saying, hey, we haven't
given up on him, but now he's done. He's done.
He's just not good. And when you combine the fact
that this is where he is two years in to

(26:51):
his NFL career, knowing he's not going to see the
field enough to get better, you tell me how it happens.
He's done, he's done. He's gonna wind up being they're
gonna move on at quarterback after this year, and and
they're gonna they're gonna say, boy, that held us back
for three years. Because when you you're wrong in a
quarterback early on, that holds you back for three years
is gonna be at least three years. It's holding the
Colts back because he didn't have enough football to play,

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and that's really what it is. And he's gonna wind
up having a career like Trey Lance, where boy, he's
got the dazzling skills, but he doesn't played enough quarterback
and no one's gonna trust him enough to give him
the starting job and he's gonna bounce around the league
as a backup. That's what he's like Bryce Young right
now with his talent level. And you know, the Carolina
Panthers have moved on the minute Andy Dalton's healthy, they're
going back to Bryce Young. You know, Bryce Young has

(27:36):
done there and so he's gonna have to go somewhere
else as a backup, and that's gonna be Anthony Richardson
as well. Yeah, there's there's a lot to it, right
You talk about young quarterbacks, and look, you and I
have argued about it for a decade of if the
guy's not ready, I don't care if he's drafted first, second, third, fifth,
twenty fifth, second round. If that's easier quarterback of the future,
then then make sure it's a future that you've built

(27:58):
with as much of a protections and support group as
you can right to where you know, if I'd say
the same thing with the Bears. Even in Chicago, you
had Tyson Bagent who looked pretty good at points last
year that if Caleb Williams wasn't ready for prime time,
don't care that he's drafted number one. The clock ticks,

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so be it. You know, if the guy's not ready,
then you're really destroying everything. And with Anthony Richardson, they're
looking around in Indianapolis going. We had a roster that
we thought, if he was just serviceable, we'd be contenders,
maybe fighting Houston for this division. Sure, right, and with
Joe Fleckel, you have the opportunity to go do that

(28:39):
now that Jonathan and Taylor is healthy, and you mentioned Pierce,
and you mentioned Downs, and you have Michael Pittman junior,
and like, you've got a roster that can go and compete.
So you can't have a guy completing forty four percent
of the passes checking himself out of a game because
he's tired, missing a lot of time due to injury.
Because unfortunately, if you're checking yourself out being tired, now

(29:02):
your entire hey he's hurt. Thing gets dangerous and you
start having dangerous conversations about that. Did he just not
want to play? Did he just not feel like he's
He's damned himself with that one statement because he called
everything else into question that wasn't verifiable via an X ray.
So now you move forward with so you have proof

(29:23):
of concept that he can't play Trey Lance. You really don't.
He looked okay and then he got hurt. Yeah. Right,
he had that game against the Bears that was in
the rain that wasn't fair to evaluate anybody coming out
of And now he's a no man's land because he
can't get on a roster. But it goes to you know,
a rock party. Yes, he goes to San Francisco in
a great situation, uh, taking over for Lance. But all

(29:45):
those college starts actually have meaning, right that you got
battle tested and you're ready to go, as opposed to
a lot of these guys coming in with just a
handful of starts coming out of the COVID year or
whatever else, and you're throwing them to the wolves. And
clearly he got eaten. Exit out about a Fresco exit
swollen dome. The Jason Smith Row with Mike Carmon live
from the tirec dot Com studio, and that quickly, Anthony

(30:08):
Richardson is done. Right now, let's find out what's trending
in the wide world of sports from Kevin Wired. Kay, now,
what do you got for us? Yeah? Sadly at least
tough for me? The Dodgers not world champions at least yet.
The Yankees and you and you wore your Dodger jersey
and hack tonight and you look like Max. I did
my best Max Munsey doppelganger look, and that's really good man.
I maybe it should just be my Halloween car throwing

(30:32):
around bars. I'm Max, Yeah, I think anyone will believe me? Yes, okay,
oh yeah, sure, we're up to women at the bar. Hey,
I'm Max Monsey. I just won the World Series. Alright, Wow,
I'll report the results back. He's wearing his jersey and
hat to the bar. Okay, wearing Clayton Cursey's jersey as
Max Mounsey. Hey, Max, why are wearing a different jeraths? Way?
We did a jersey swap? O jersey swap?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
The Yankees did, though, beat the Dodgers eleven and four.
The offense coming all live after they really weren't hurt
fro him since Game one. Anthony Volpe hitting a grand
slam to make it five too after Freddy Freeman in
the first hitting rule. Another home run for the Dodger
first baseman his fourth straight game this series with the

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home run. He's had six straight World Series games with
a home run if you count twenty twenty one. But
then Vulpe's grand slam put the Yankees on top and
they would not look back as a labor Torus would
add a three run home run late in the game
to seal the victory for New York. They force a
Game five, which will take place tomorrow evening in New York,
with the first pitch set for a little bit after

(31:37):
eight o'clock Eastern time. In the NBA, we did have
a few games in action. A rematch to the Western
Conference Final saw the Mavericks beat the Timberwolves one twenty
to one fourteen in overtime. It's the Nuggets over the
Brooklyn Nets won forty four one thirty nine, sacramentover Utah
one thirteen ninety six, and the Golden State Warriors take
down the New Orleans Pelicans. Golden State coming back to

(31:59):
win twenty four to one oh SIXPEC to you guys,
Thank you k dub and look, hey, real quick, we
had the big trade today. Look, we're seeing wide receivers
get traded almost every day. Yeah, which is making you
have to redo your I want your Flex podcast to
count for.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
No, it's it.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, special emergency, let's talk about that in Minnesota getting alignment.
Deontay Johnson is now a Raven and this is one
of those rare, over the top trades that you can
get in the middle of a season. He's really talented.
We saw his talent with the Steelers, still had big
games with the Panthers and they had nobody to throw

(32:36):
the football to him. The Ravens needed to make a
deal like this because their wide receivers are kind of pedestrians.
Zay Flowers is good, but he's kind he's he's kind
of in every other game guy. He's got three good
games in five games where he's basically invisible. They needed
a number one and now they got it. And more importantly,
as time goes on, they're gonna need to diversify that

(32:58):
offense more where they can throw the foot because as
time goes on, I know it's great right now that
Dereck Henry is fantastic. He's on paced break the all
time rushing record. Let's see where we're at talking about
Derrick Henry. Middle of December, as we get close to
the playoffs, when he hits the wall because he's thirty
thirty one years old. That's what happens to older running backs.
He's not gonna suddenly hit the playoffs on a bunch
of one hundred and seventy five yard games. He's older,

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he's bigger. This is not Derrick Henry of five years ago.
He's going to hit the wall and they're not gonna
be able to run the football as well. That's how
it happens for every running back at that point when
you're that old and you get to start playing into December,
into January and hopefully into February. So need to diversify
their offense a little bit. And this is gonna help
because he's gonna help them be able to throw the
football because they're not gonna be able to run it

(33:43):
like they've been used to. The first few weeks with Henry,
always work for balance and definition. You have him Flowers,
a couple of tight ends, the offensive line's been healthy
to date. That's the one thing knock Wood that that
continues for Derrick Henry. But yeah, you want to create
the balance. I wish he could play defensive back. That
would help a lot of things for Baltimore. But remember,
this is a guy in Deontay Johnson won his contract

(34:05):
ends at the end of the year, so he's a
guy very motivated to put some big stuff on tape
the second half of the year. This is a guy
that was also an eighty catch guy in the Kenny
Pickett era in Pittsburgh. Yeah, all right, so you know
to put it in its base terms here. Now, did
he average huge yardage in those now about eleven yards
of catch, But he was efficient and you could work

(34:27):
with him in the red zone and gaving another red
zone target absolutely huge. But you had three years eighty
eight one oh seven eighty six catches. This is a
guy that can go and find start him again. Exit
out about a Fresco exit swallowing down The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Carmon LIVETHTIREC dot Com Studios coming up next.
After what we saw tonight, what do we expect to

(34:48):
see Game five of the World Series Is it ending?
Is it coming back to la? That's next right here,
Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific. Yeah, they're not bringing Fat Joe back for
Game five?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Not happening. What's a story of redemption? Nah, that's Freddy's ball?
End it again? Two guys hit the ball to Mookie
Betts's love. They're coming in. They're gonna be the ones.
They're gonna throw the ball at each other. How about
Alicia Keys? Could she do something? Probably could Nicki Minaj? Yeah?

(35:28):
Why are you just going through? What's gonna pick? Random?
New Yorkers? Would be better than who are the Hottest Acts?

Speaker 2 (35:36):
On nine?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Seven? What about Wow? Wow? Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoaah. So we saw Game
four and saw the Yankees knock around Dave Roberts, B

(36:00):
and C list Bullpenners because that's what the Dodgers wanted. Hey, hey, hey,
Dave Roberts said, it worked out exactly wanted. We didn't
want to win, We just wanted to set up the
rest of the series. Does he get under investigation for that? Though?
They are who thought baseball is happy they had an
extra game? You're kidding, didn't want to sleep. Everybody's happy
an extra game. Everything's great, everybody wins because we get

(36:21):
to do Game five here. Yeah, sports tis very upset
about it. I'm gonna try We're not gonna try to
win the game tonight. We're just gonna set up our reliever.
We're sod about it because they could have won the game.
They could have won the World to night, I know,
because they didn't try to get a Game five. Think
about the only one mad about Think about the advertising

(36:42):
Fox can sell. They're the big winners, Orange Orange wit
So Game five, Game six. I have a bad feeling
about the Dodgers in Game five, and I have a
good feeling about Game six. The Yankees. The Yankees are
feeling good right now, and even Aaron Judge was able
to get in on it with a big hit. Uh.
They seem to get a little bit of their swerve

(37:03):
back a little bit, the Yankees. The Hedge. Yeah, like
it's two thousand and seven. Uh. They they seem to
get a little bit of their mojo back. And I
expect tomorrow night to be a big game. Seeing Flaherty again, Uh,
I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go bold. I'm gonna
say Judge, Stanton and Soto all homer tomorrow for the Yankees.

(37:26):
The Yankees win big going back to LA for Game six.
So I said, bad feeling about the Dodgers tomorrow, good
feeling for the Yankees. Bad feeling about the Yankees Game six,
Good feeling for the Dodgers there. I think they finish
it tomorrow. Who finished the fans comitted to take the ball? Well,
I know this Capo beyonc guy of his brothers, Austin's

(37:47):
interference on the play. I just see the ball kind of.
I don't want to say go up for grabs, if
that makes sense. And then Mookie was swearing at us. Well,
I'm one of a complete and total lie, you know,
because we found that. Hey, I can lie and no
one nothing's going to happen to me now. So I
can lie and say I just went for the ball. No,
you opened his glove to pull the ball out while
the other guy next to you grab Mookie Bets's arm.

(38:10):
It's on camera in front of thirty million people.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Fifteen million here and fifteen million in Japan.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's right, I can Anthony, a Connecticut resident, told the
outlet via text, I just want to watch the game. Yeah.
Was that a text from the slammer or yeah, there's
no no report of it. You might have been in
Yankee Stadium jail, like you might have been down under
the stadium where they keep getting I assume all stadiums do.
Is that where they keep Fat Joe. I've never all stopped.

(38:35):
Come on, man, wow, you got toss. You are really
anti fat Joe. One fan told the Athletic. I saw
him being walked out. I told him that he was
my hero for trying to save the Yankees. It's a
championship game.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I can't see this guy because I'm locked up. And
this is and this is this is what gets me
about this is that here's here's reports on this, and
here's media story treating this guy like hero in New
York because he did this, when this is something that
I don't I don't want to be the guy going, oh,
always look at the worst case scenario, but come on,
I will, I will. This could have gone really badly.

(39:11):
Pulling at Mooky's arm all of a sudden he's got
a shoulder injury, and he goes down, and all of
a sudden, the series is thrown asunder. And he's who's
gonna set up Freddie Freeman for another home run? Like
I said, He's gonna be the guy who's just like
I did a few minutes ago. Hey, no, you know
I was that guy that took that ball out of
Bets's glove. I will take a free drink? How many?
How many jackass should thinking New York will dress up

(39:32):
like those cows on Thursday? Now. I don't know where
they Halloween costumes. It could be. I think it would
need to be two people. It would need to be
one person dressed up as Mookie Bets with the ball
in the glove, and another guy that would continually pull
the ball out of his glove. I think that would
be the costume change on the old pull my finger routine.
I think Flaherty comes up big and the offense gets

(39:54):
it done against Garrett cole Man. Cole is gonna. Cole
is gonna be his prime for big game. I don't
know how many pitches he'll be able to throw. He's
got to keep his pitch count down because you know,
once it gets to eighty five, eighty eight, he's gonna
be out. Well, Ben's gonna been good though, right, we've
seen it in that for what ten of the last
thirteen games that they've allowed one or zero runs? Has

(40:15):
the Yankee bullpen so a strength for them as well.
But we'll see Aaron Judge got hit by a pitch,
he reached on an error, and then he finally got
that base hit for you. Maybe that's a breakthrough. I
say they go back to striking his ass out tomorrow.
I say it's going back to La Harmon says it's
ending tomorrow night. We will find out. Our best of

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