November 21, 2024 • 39 mins
Jason explains why Eli Manning is going to the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. Fox Sports 1 NBA Analyst Ric Bucher swings by the show to talk Lakers, 76ers, Bucks struggles and more.
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Rick Buker coming up in about twenty minutes. All the
big news in the NBA right now, two big games happening.
Golden State is thumping at Lama fifteen two, and the
Knicks are doing the same to the Suns sixty one
forty four. Still four minutes ago before halftime, k Knicks
could put up seventy five points here in the first
half against Phoenix. Now let me just say this really fast. Yes,
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it's all the Knicks starting five doing the damage and
just what you're gonna get. Yeah, but I want to
say this for a team that their hallmark has always
been defense and playing like this under Tibbs, the offense
that the Knicks have this year, with Big Bodega in
the middle like this, I don't know the last time
the Knicks had this much firepower like this is like
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just everybody can score twenty five in a game. And yes,
it's gonna be Brunton and Karl Anthony Towns doing it
for the most part, but Anonobi can give you thirty.
He's gonna hit threes bridges the same way Josh Hart's
gonna have that game once in a while like this.
I know the Knicks are playing five guys way more
often than they should, but this offense, what they're doing,
this is insane. I mean, this is this is not
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the Knicks you think of the Knicks. Go yeah, okay,
a couple of guys will, let's score some points that No,
this is like like watch out, like this could be
like one of the league's best offenses. As long as
you know the Knicks play more than five guys and
they actually get to their bench a little bit once
in a while you.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Realize you only have one player averaging more than sixteen
one one player out of the start outside the top
five averaging more than sixteen minutes a game. Yeah, no,
it's it's literally the starting five and McBride. And then
you get down to campaign at sixteen minutes a game,
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they're gonna have to chare the Thoat Sims thirteen minutes
thirteen about thirteen and a half minutes a game.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
These are gonna be running out of Karl Anthony town
is gonna have nothing left by time. So when he
does slow fuf on defense, you have to understand it.
And tonight they get a little bit of a break
because kd' is stalking around in street close so defensively,
maybe a little easier night that way.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, but I'm still come on, man, you get this
is like watching an NCAA team going, can they make
this run through the tournament playing five guys? Right? Like
that's just you know, Hey, that's two games in a weekend,
Like this is the next You're gonna try to do
this for like months Yeah, what are you gonna do
this for? Well, November, December, January, February all Star breaks,
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So that's okay, they'll real the rest we go get
a little bit of more, yeah, April, and then may
we get to the playoffs when it's a game every
other night. Oh that it's gonna be fantastic. These guys
playing all these minutes. I come s what happened last
year when all the guys got hurt. They were I
think the Knicks finished the series against the Pacers with
three guys on the floor and one of them was ewing.
I mean, at some point, hey, you have to just
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trust we gotta play the younger guys. We gotta play
the other guys a little bit more. They got to
come off the bench. But here's just a little of
them though.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Jason like for all of this, and like I'm seeing
it in and I agree, one hundred percent. Ball movement
is great. H The shooting's been fantastic. They're up over
what fifty three percent as we sit here, and Brunson's
at the line to try to extend the lead with
it a little less than three minutes left in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
All of that to say you're still eight and six.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So this isn't even a hey, you know what, we
want to get out and be like twelve and three
and yeah, guys can't really take and then we could
take take it easy, you know that middle part of
the season around the All Star break, we could really
work that for load management and get guys proper rest
and ready for the stretch run.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, they're gassed and they're still eight and six. So
again we'll have more NBA in the way with Rick
Bucker coming up in a few minutes. Again, the Knicks
lead the Suns right now, seventy to forty eight, still
two and a half to go in the second quarter.
So we had the Chris Sale Hall of Fame conversation
a few minutes ago, so exciting him going in. I
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know you were excited. But meanwhile, for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, the semi finalists of this year's class
have been announced. I had to get down to twenty
five and they got down to twenty five. Now two
players headline this class more than any body else. I mean,
it's crazy Antonio Gates didn't get in a year ago.
I mean maybe it was some you know, when you're
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holding some of the you know, the the the ped
type stuff against him, and it's weird, but I don't
I don't understand it, but I get why some voters
would do that. But the guys one of the top
three tight ends in the history of the game. He
should be getting in. But leading the new candidates this
year is Eli Manning, Eli Luke Keikley, Terrell Suggs, Adam Vini,
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Terry Earl, Thomas Marshall, Yenda. These are your your first
time UH nominees. Vince will Fork, it is Vince will Fork.
Is there to look at some guy? You know? There's
returning finalis from last year to Tory Holt and Reggie
Wayne are both there. Willie Anderson, Eric Allen, Rodney Harrison,
Fred Taylor also there. But really this is going to
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be about Eli Manning because he is the most polarizing
Hall of Fame candidate that we've seen in may the
last fifteen or twenty years in the NFL. Because there's
there's the Eli Manning where yes, absolutely the guy is
a Hall of Fame or no, come on, the guy
was a five hundred quarterback throughout his entire career. He's
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not a Hall of Famer. This is one of those
conversations where I see both sides of it and what
you think is not gonna matter, because Eli Manning's getting
into the Hall of Fame and I don't think it's
going to be particularly close. Like I can see him
getting in this year. You know, Eli Manning has the
two Super bowl and you kids open a super Bowl. No,
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it's a really big deal to win two Super Bowls,
to beat the Patriots both times to end their undefeated season.
And oh, by the way, Eli Manning was the guy
that led the game winning drive both times to win
this game, including a touchdown, the helmet catch to David Tyree,
the touchdown pass that won the game down for the
field goal, and the big pass to Mario Manningham that
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went out of bounds at the fifty the Super Bowl
when Eli was backed up to his two yard line,
like Eli Manning was at his best and won two
Super Bowls. Like, that's not something where you say, oh, yeah,
but that's the posted. No, this is what makes his
case because yes, he was a five hundred quarterback and
you can argue the merits of is our wins a
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quarterback stat do you have to compare you have to
give wins to a quarterback. But when you're talking about
a guy who has two Super Bowls and was dynamic
his entire career, and that's what it comes down to
for me. He was regularly this is kind of the
back half of his career was when the age of
the passer really started. So the first half of his
career was more where this wasn't where people throw the
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football forty times a game regularly like they do now.
The back half his career was kind of like that,
but the first half his career not so much. And
still he threw thirty touchdowns a year. I mean that's
a big He's between twenty five and thirty touchdowns every
single year. He is a four thousand yard passer multiple
times over the course of his career sixty percent completion percentage.
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Eli Manning was dynamic. Whatever you think about him, and
you look he had bad body language on the field,
and I understand that because you'd see it be more
forlorn and just go off the field, Oh, Eli, Eli Eli,
But the guy was as dynamic a quarterback as you
could expect, and he won two Super Bowls and one
of the things he always did he doesn't get enough
credit for was he would always get the Giants into
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the right formation to give a play a possibility of success.
Where when he would get to the line of scrimmage
and the adjustments he would make that would take a
play and give it a better chance to succeed. And
sometimes it's as easy as well, I'm moving some guys
around because I'm gonna I know, I want Hakeem Nicks
one on one on the dB, and I'm just throwing
it up and ni Keem Knicks is going to make
a great catch and it's gonna be all Hakeem Knicks. Well, yeah,
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it's a Keem Nicks making that play, but it's also
Eli Manning getting the team into the formation where he
knows I have it one on one and I'm throwing
the ball to a place where only my guy is
gonna get it right like that. People don't understand that
part of it. And when Joe Burrow came into the league,
I said, he's a lot like Eli Manning. He does
the same things and he throws a ball. I'm gonna
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take my chances, and I'm gonna take my chances where
I know it's one on one with a wide receiver
now and you're throwing a guy's like Justin Jefferson and
great receivers. Okay, it makes a little bit easier, but
still that's kind of what Joe Burrow was. I said,
he's gonna come into the league and be a better
Eli Manning, and that's kind of what he is without
the Super Bowl so far. But he's still young in
his career. But I don't think Eli really got the
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not the respect, but I don't think Eli got the
the flowers that he should have gotten for his career
because as much as people grudgingly would give him credit
for what he accomplished, at the same time was yeah,
but look the Giants were five and twelve, because they
were eight and eight, twelve and four, seven and nine,
six and ten, eleven and five, three and twelve, like
every other year was you know what, like they were
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great for a long time. So there was a lot
of ways to look at Eli his career and paint
it any way you want to write, and that's what
you know, that's what we do for these careers. But overall,
I don't think you can get past the fact that
hundred and thirty six touchdown three hundred and sixty six touchdowns.
He's in the top fifteen all time in the NFL.
Everybody else is in the Hall of Fame except for
Carson Palmer. All the other guys over three hundred and
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fifty touchdowns are in the Hall of Fame. Two super
Bowls dynamic. I don't see there being a way he's
kept out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
This is where it gets really fun to watch people
who really want to get themselves twisted on this. This
was the day I was waiting for, right the next one,
and then we'll do it again once he's actually announced
that he's going in, because it's that crossroads between you know,
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stats and one seventeen and one seventeen meet this same
crowd that lives and dies by well, Mike Tomlin won
a Super Bowl and Sean Payton won a Super Bowl
and Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl and they're all wizards.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Guess what. Let me trump that even further.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Eli Manning won both of his and you guys bow
down and kiss the ground Peyton Manny walks on when
he was carried to his second So let's talk about that.
Let's talk about two super Bowls that change the face
of everything in the last twenty years of the National
Football League. Those are two of the most important games
we've had, you know, the old you can't tell the
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tale of the NFL without this, that or the other.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Can't do it without Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, you can't know, even with his silly face or whatever,
like he made fun of it on Saturday Night Live,
one of the best skits ever. It's always sneaky, funny
and finally getting his just doing this whole thing he's
doing with his brother now. But but all of that
to say, it's also he was in that transitional period
where outside of his brother and Drew Brees and then
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Tom Brady, as he got on completion percentage wasn't the
same looked at the same way. It is now right
to your point about being able to put the ball downfield,
calculated risk, take your shots and trust that your guy's
gonna go make a play.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Go back and watch plays of.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The seventies and eighties as the ball was, you know,
starting to fly right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Peyton Manning is a guy that's still in.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The top fifteen or top twelve or whatever it is
all time for interceptions because those guys took the field
every week until it was time for Jim Sorgy, who
actually backed.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Up both of them.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Point yeah, but yeah, but all of that to say,
like Eli showed up any quarterback, he didn't miss time.
That has to count for something. The two super Bowl wins,
one from a wildcard spot, like that's got to count
for something. Like all the all of these things, the
accolades and the big numbers, thirty touchdown seasons as the
game shifted, like all of that matters. But like where
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people get caught up in the one seventeen one seventeen,
but then everything is bowed to the ring in every
other piece of these arguments, like you can't have it
both ways, and he's instrumental to those two wins.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Period. Yeah, I don't think the vote's gonna be particularly close.
Eli's getting in. It's gonna be Eli's getting in. I'm sorry,
he's getting in the story of the NFL. That's the
best way to say. You can't tell the story of
the NFL without Eli Manning. Now without the Super bowls, Okay,
I get it. But of course they happened, and they
weren't huge. So that's yeah, point that's big, But I
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mean that's The thing, right is either it matters for
everything or it doesn't. Like we can't selectively have the
rings conversation over here in the NBA, but in the
NFL suddenly those are diminished unless we want to talk
about that. Once upon a time, Mike Tomlin and Sean
Payton won Super Bowls, which you see quite often right now, right,
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super Bowl winners like those are a minute, let's go,
let's let's let's do it again, which shows you how
damn hard it is to get that second one, by
the way, right, because we we lift up the guys
that we want to with their one super Bowl win,
and then we denigrate, you know, Trent Dilford and Brad
Johnson in the same breath, all right, like if it's
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really that high a standard, Yeah, the guy's two and
they're both his. So scoreboard exit al about a Fresco
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to ultimate success? Are the Cavaliers really as good as
(14:19):
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The Jason Smith Show with My bes friend Mike Harmon
Live from the Tirack dot Com Studios. Halftime, The Knicks
lead the Sun seventy six to fifty eight. Seventy benches.
Whoop nixt yo h Jalen Brunson's got twenty three. This
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Knicks offense, Wow, this defense? Joining us now in the
hotline for all the big news in the NBA. Fox
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Twitter at Rick Buker. It is the aforementioned Rick Buker.
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Bud yo yo yo yo yo yo yo?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yea? All right, So, because you we've talked about this
a few times here and here we are, you know,
halftime of this game, you said you were all in
on the Knicks, just like I was still all in
on the Knicks or boy, is there something?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh what do you mean by by all in? I
think I pulled back a little bit last time we spoke,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You said all in, they're gonna it's gonna be faux
fox fo like Moses Malone all the way to the
NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That was you let you did not bet on the winner,
Jerry Jones, and he laid that out all in.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Sometimes I think that when I come on the show,
there must be like a voice modulator like that they have,
and it translates what I say. Maybe no, maybe it's
just in Jason's there's certain things I say and then
they go through the ear canal and what actually hits
his brain is not exactly what I've said. It's there's
(16:09):
sort of like there's this interpretation machine in there. I
can take what he said there and I can turn
it into this, and then you spit it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Back at me and I'm like, I don't even recognize that,
But well, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
In the past, Rick, I would have to do that,
but now we have AI, so I could just make
it sound like you said, whatever the hell I wanted
to make you say.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
That's exactly That's exactly what is.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Going on here. And the first time that anybody has
connected artificial intelligence with Jason Smith, but.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
In any case.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
In any case, no, I look, I actually I'm more
into the Nicks as a result of the teams that
are falling out. Philadelphia obviously has fallen on its face
and I don't expect them to get up. Milwaukee is
in spite of the wind tonight and the inning streak,
I still think that they've got major issues. So it
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really comes down to, you know, there's a handful of
teams that that that I have that I think have
a chance. Obviously Boston in New York, I would say
I would throw Orlando uh in that in that mix,
and I'm forgetting somebody. There's a there's a fourth team
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that we have to we have to keep in keep
in mind here and Cleveland, I think that you you
have to put them in that mix. So, you know,
being one of the top four teams without questions, I mean,
I don't see anybody else even breaking into that top four.
Uh certainly puts the Knicks in in great position. If
you talk about Orlando, they don't have a whole lot
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of experience. Cleveland maybe a little bit more. Uh So
I would say that the Knicks are are in great position.
The one thing that is that is baffling is that
Michale Bridges. When he was acquired, you would have assumed
that he was going to that he was going to
improve their defense and their defense was good, and that
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it was going to be great, and it's actually gone
the other direction. And I don't think we can put
all that at the feet of Karl Anthony Towns, because
if you look at the ratings and what the team
has done when Michale is on the floor, he has
one of the worst defensive ratings on the team and
one of the worst offensive ratings on the team. So
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maybe this is just a matter of the expectations are
really high, and this is the team that was already
kind of set and they're trying to adjust to Karl
Anthony town and then Michale has to find his way
in between those two things, an established way plus a
new star that they're trying to incorporate. Because I've always
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been a big Michale fan. I've always thought that he's
one of the better two way wings in the league.
But for all that they gave up and what the
expectations are, I would say that he's probably the biggest disappointment.
You tell me he's going to get back to what
we are used to seeing then Nick yo yo yo
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yo yo.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, this will be fun as soon as they actually
have to use those guys beyond number six on the
depth choir, What do you happens?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
What do you mean you know that's not happening. What
are you about?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, I'm saying because it has to happen, not because
he wants it to.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
No, they should just they should just gray out.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Like on the bench.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know how you have color everywhere and then you
just like it don't work.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They just you just gray them out. That's what event.
It's not it's not operable, they're not just no, he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Unavailable.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
All right, let's go back you mentioned and we got
into the sixers there briefly, Maxie calling out Embiid. That
gets out tonight, Paul George leaves again with injury. Uh
Joel Embiid in your mind's eye, what's the next jersey
he's wearing a house?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Will he be wearing it?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Oh? Well, look I don't know that. I mean, what
can you do with him? I honestly, I who's going
to who wants to inherit that? At this point it's
because it's so much on him, and I do think
that the Sixers are stuck because like it or not,
he's your best player and Tyres BacT he is telling
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it saying that our best player is not our hardest
worker and not our most detail oriented player, and that
is that you have no chance of winning or going
anywhere significant unless your best player is your hardest worker.
There's a lot of things, there's a lot of adjustments
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to the formulas, the winning formulas in the NBA, but
that remains a constant where if your best player is
not your hardest worker, you are not going to You're
not going to compet for a championship because and it's
not the only thing that has to be there. But
if you go down the line, the teams that are
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are always there and the teams that have won, you
can look at their best player and they're the hardest worker.
And conversely you can I don't know, I'm hate to
pick on this guy, but he just immediately comes to mind,
like Tracy m graty, most people would say most talented
player in the league, or you could take to l MB,
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you know, I mean, he's MVP. There's times where you
look at his his what he's able to do. You
can make a case he's the all around best player
in the league, but when that guy is not your
hardest worker, then there's a price to be paid for
the entire team because he's not setting the standard and
it gives everybody out. So when things get hard, he's
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not going to have the wherewithal to stand up to it,
and the rest of the team is inclined to take
an easy way out too, So he's I don't see
him going anywhere, honestly, because I don't see anybody wanting
to sign up for that and all that comes.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
With is Rick Buker. Our guest Fox Sports one NBA
insider Jason Smith Mike Harmon, live from the tirec dot
Com studios. All right, from Joel Embiid, let's head west
where you know. We talked about this on the show
the last couple of nights. I remember the painter Bob
Ross would have the happy accidents where, oh hey, look
we really stumbled into something here on this painting. I
kind of feel like that's what the Lakers have done, right.
(22:32):
JJ Reddick wants to send the message to D'Angelo Russell
about a week and a half ago, Hey, what you're
doing is not right. I'm gonna bench you, and now
you're coming off the bench. And I don't think that
that was made to be a permanent thing. It was
I got to teach you a lesson. But what the
Lakers have realized is, wait a minute. With Lebron playing
point guard, he's getting everybody involved. He is deferring to
a d as the number one option, and now Russell
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can come off the bench and do his thing and
score points and not kill them. And suddenly the Lakers
have stumbled onto something where I think this was just
kind of a happy accident for them.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah. No, there's no there's there's no doubt that this
mix is is better and that everything shits having Dangela
come off off the bench and it gives him a
little more freedom. It allows him to play to his strength,
which is really like, I'm going to play pick and
roll and I'm going to look for my shot and
then if I get stuck, then I'm going to give
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it up. But I'm not really trying to get everybody
involved or be conscious of who's hot. And he's not
an orchestrator. He's a pretty good pick and roll guard,
and that's the strength and that works for you off
the bend. The problem that the issue is you're playing
Lebron thirty five minutes, and can you do that the
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entire season? Like right now, he's playing thirty five, AD's
playing thirty five, Austin Reeves is playing almost thirty five.
And they've played every game, and they've taken advantage of
they've had a fairly easy schedule and uh, and they've
beaten the teams that they're supposed to beat. And so
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I don't want to just the one thing I don't
want to discount is what JJ Reddick has done, whether
it's moving a DL to the bench or just you know,
bringing in detail and being a communicator and setting standards
and expectations. And I think he's been terrific on all that.
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I sometimes wonder like if they and you saw it
when they had the tough road trip and I think
they lost four out of five on that road trip,
and you know, he's slamming chairs and he's you know,
he's expressing his frustration like they're going to hit rough patches.
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And one of the things that coaches have to become
good at is biting their tongue and not letting their
frustration boil over, because that gets old in a hurry. Players,
players will turn you off at some point if you're
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you're reacting to everything. And that's just something you know
naturally that that a young coach who's was that long
long ago that wasn't what was still a player, is
understandable that he would have that. But look, you know,
they're they're they're right there in the mix. They're about
where I thought that. Actually they're they're maybe a little
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bit better than I thought they would be.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
The big question is.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Just is simply going to be They don't have a
whole lot of depth. So you have to have a
d Lebron and Reeves healthy and playing every night in
order for this team to win. And can they do
that for eighty two games and then go into the
post that that is going to be the challenge And
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for anybody who would say, man, I don't know if
that's a good bet because of the history of those
guys understandable, you know. So I'm enjoying it while I can,
uh and and not putting too much expectations on where
they're going to be in April based on what I'm
seeing in November.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Hey, Eric, besides lighting up on Arumo's defense for you know,
the continued failure, what do you got going on the
On the Ball podcast this week?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Uh? Well, a couple of things. One, I want to
talk about Jason Tatum in terms of being like, you
know how we were having the debate last year about
who was better and who is the MVP between Jalen
Brown and Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum has come back and
is demonstrating that he is the guy. He's the guy
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with that team. And there's I've seen this with guys
before where I used to say that you were just
kind of born with the confidence of I'm a champion,
I'm going to go win championships and if you didn't
have it that you couldn't you couldn't develop it. You
either had that belief in yourself, that unshakable belief, or
you didn't. And I've come to see Lebron didn't have
(27:18):
that faith early on, and he kind of developed it.
Even Steph Curry developed it, and now we're seeing Jason
Tatum do the same thing. So combination of that and
then looking at the Calves, I broke down the Calves
fifteen game winning streak to try to diagnose, like exactly
(27:40):
how good should we consider them based on the fact
that they did something historic and if you look at
who they played and when they played them, it was
right for them, maybe not to go fifteen to er,
but it was right for them to have a great start.
I do think that they've taken another step from last year,
but I don't know that fifteen and er establishes them
(28:02):
as the team to beat in the Eastern Conference. As
the Boston Celtics demonstrated just the other night, they are
still a team to beat, But I do think Cleveland
is in the mix certainly to have home court advantage
going into the postseason. They're not They're not a mirage.
They're just not the taj Mahal.
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Speaker 2 (28:58):
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Speaker 1 (28:59):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds. But first,
Monte Belanios has what's trending in the wide world of
sports where her bet of the Suns tonight may be
coming back to her a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
It might be coming back. I'm very excited about that.
I also like how Rick Bucker kept it classy, you
know what I mean. He kept it classy there at
the end, So I like that. Yeah, stick classy, San
Diego exactly exactly. Yes, your knicks are still on top, Jason,
but the Suns are trying to make a little bit
of a comeback. Eighty eight seventy seven is the score
(29:30):
six minutes left in the third quarter. Jalen Brunson shooting
the lights out at least six three pointers he's hit.
He's got twenty nine points and eight assists so far
in the game. Devin Booker twenty points for Phoenix. The
Warriors are still on top of the Hawks eighty nine
sixty seven. Late in the third quarter. Steph Curry fifteen points,
seven assists, it's a close one and into it don't
between the Magic and the Clippers, with my Clippers up
(29:51):
fifty six to fifty four at halftime a mere coffee
fourteen points so far in the game. The Calves earlier
today defeated the Pelicans, win twenty eight to one one hundred.
The Bucks took down the Bulls win twenty two to
one oh six, behind Janna Santa Ta Kumpos forty one points,
nine rebounds, and eight assists. The Rockets outscored the Pacers
one thirty to one thirteen. The Thunder beat the Trailblazers
(30:12):
one oh nine to ninety nine, and the Grizzlies without
Jahn Morant beat the seventy six Ers one seventeen to
one eleven. This was not on my Bengo car, but
the seventy six Ers are now two to twelve and
in last place in the Eastern Conference. Paul George, Joel Embiid,
Tyrese Maxey all played in this one. Paul George left
in the fourth quarter with the hyper extended knee, the
same knee he hyper extended a month ago. Ended with
(30:34):
two points. Joel Embiid did have thirty five points and
eleven rebounds, Tyrese Maxey three of thirteen from the field
and ended with eight points on that one. In the
NHL two games going on, Predators and Krakens scoreless halfway
through the second period. The Sabers and the Kings are
scoreless or fifteen minutes to go. In the second period
the Maple Leafs they shout out the Golden Knights three zero.
(30:56):
The Hurricanes beat the Flyers four to one, and the
Stars took down the Sharks five to two. A little
NFL news for you, forty nine Ers tight end George
Kittle vowed to play this weekend against the Packers after
missing last week because of a hamstring injury. Browns tight
end David n Jok who was removed from the injury report.
He is going to play in week twelve against the
Steelers and Buccaneers wide receiver of Mike Evans is expected
(31:17):
to make his return this Sunday against the Giants after
a hamstring injury that has forced him to miss the
last month. Fox Sports insider Jordan Schultz with the news
and in baseball, Tiger's pitcher Trek Scooble was named the
unanimous Alsy Young Award winner Braves pitcher Chris Sale was
named the National League So Young Award winner. Back to
you guys, thanks so much, bodyes.
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It's fine. This was a hit though, right, it was
a one It wasn't it? I mean, I still I
like skater Boy.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
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Speaker 1 (33:13):
Man Mike carbon Life from the Tirack dot com studios. So,
getting set for a big game on Thursday, And I
know you're thinking, wait a minute, Steelers Browns. Yeah, you
know why it's a big game because the Steelers play
every game close, because their offense is terrible.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, there's a couple of things that go to this
one though. Right, it's three and a half point spread,
the Steelers favored on the road. Thirty five is the
over under for this one, So yay on that. But
I saw the stat. Let's see, Mike Tomlin. They've never
won a road Divisional Thursday night football game. Oh and
seven all time, oh and five under Tomlin. Tomlin is
(33:51):
two and eight on the road on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Look, it's that that half a point is scary, right,
like if it was two and a half, But three
and a half because you could just see and I
guess jobs steel is gonna end, right, it's Boswell is
gonna kick a field goal, and then the Browns will
have the ball like inside there. Somehow they'll have the
ball with like forty five seconds left inside their own
ten yard line, and something crazy will happen and they'll
(34:16):
try some kind of crazy ass lateral and the Steels
will run it in for a touchdown and they'll win
by ten and it will look dominant. But that's really
how it's gonna end. This is gonna be a lot
closer than people think. Because the Steelers offense is bad,
all right. I mean, that's the thing they will eque
out and look, it's not like Cleveland is a really
good team. But even if the Steelers want to act
(34:37):
like Russell Wilson has transformed the offense, he hasn't. The
offense is still the same. It's the exactly the same.
It's just a different guy at quarterback. And Mike Tomlin
likes Russell Wilson more so. The quarterback position is not
a problem anymore. It's not like Justin Fields was losing games,
but for whatever reason, the preferred quarterback for Mike Tomlin
was Russell Wilson and even and look, and they've been
(34:59):
winning games obviously, but look, you beat the Jets, you
beat the Giants, they're both terrible, but you do have
a couple of nice wins over Washington and Baltimore. Defense
wins the game last week, even though Russell Wilson was awful.
But if this was justin Fields at quarterback, it would
have been a whole week of are you making a change?
Justin Fields was awful? Should be going to Russell will
But Russell Will, no, no, he won, he won, He won,
(35:20):
Like Tomlin makes excuses for Russell Wilson, Like Russell Wilson's
been fantastic, Russell Wilson is just okay, right, This team
is winning on a great defense, and they're just making
enough plays in the running game because the running game
is just met It's not like Najie Harris and Jalen
Warren are averaging five yards of carry. These guys are
just okay. They're just doing enough offensive and they have
(35:41):
just enough offensively in a game and defense, their defense
is fine. Wilson will make one play once in a
while and suddenly, oh look at this. The Steelers. You know,
how good they would be if they actually invested it
in having an offense like they would be, they would
be unstoppable. But this is how Mike Tumblin wants to
win games. He wants to win games eighteen sixteen, and
he wants to win games sixteen thirteen like that, Like
(36:03):
that's the thing, Like I don't want to win a
game twenty eight nothing, No, I want I want to
win a game forty two thirty five. That's not football.
Football is twenty to seventeen. They have to win every
game like it's nineteen seventy seven, right. We gotta run
the football a ton, the quarterback will make whatever plays
they absolutely have to, and will play phenomenal defense. Like
it's like I'm I'm gonna time more. Back to when
(36:24):
I would play Tech Bow Bowl with the worst team,
which was the Giants and the Cowboys. We had to
run the ball the entire game and had to be
Dwayne Bickett on defense to try to make an interception
someplay somewhere Like this is how the Steelers win games.
This is how Mike Tomlin wants to win games. If
they really wanted to win differently or win bigger, they
would have made bigger moves in free agency at offense,
(36:44):
at wide receiver, at other play they would have brought
in running back to was much more dynamic than the
Jalen Warre and Najie Harris duo they've had for the
last four years, right, which has just been okay, And
but they won't do it. They just won't do it. No,
this is how we want to win. This is gonna
be enough. We're gonna go the retread and Russell Wilson.
We're gonna take a guy that they didn't want him
anymore in Chicago in justin fields and have these guys
(37:06):
battle it out like it doesn't matter who their quarterback is.
The Steelers could be so much better, but they're not.
So they continue to eke out games and they'll win
until they play a team in the playoffs that is
too good for them offensively and they're gonna go home.
I can't imagine what the Steelers record would be like
if they actually went in on building an offense. But look,
tomorrow night's gonna be a game where they're gonna struggle.
(37:27):
The Cleveland will do okay. They have three really good
young receivers and to getting the ball a lot. Now
that Amari Cooper is gone, it'll be closer than you think.
But I'll give the win to Mike Tomlin and at
three and a half points, so it was really scary.
He's finally gonna win on a Thursday night. I'll give
it to him Thursday night. Oy you go.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
A plus eleven turnover differential the big stat that comes
out for the Steelers. They are second only to the
Buffalo Bills in the National Football League. Of course, take
it all with a grand AsSalt. Guess who's tied for third,
the Jets, Mariars.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It was either Bears. I gave you. I gave you
fifty to fifty. You lose.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
You must walk the Pike Bears at plus nine they're
tied with the Lions. So there you go. You got
the Bill, Steelers, Lions. And which one of these is
not like the other Bears? So the show's even taking
care of the football. They stink, But all that say,
nice meaty part of the curve as an offense twenty
three points per game twenty three point three to be precise,
(38:25):
fifth worst passing game in the NFL at one hundred
and seventy yards per but top ten in the run game.
It ain't pretty in terms of you know, yack and
big chunk yardage, But what does it do with bleeds?
Clock moves the chains and brings Boswell in again. So
he's the man of the hour. Give me the Steelers
to win. But that hook is the difference Cleveland plus
(38:47):
the points. If it was two and a half, what
would you do? What would you do two and a half.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think I might still take Cleveland because they're moving
the ball. Judy and More and all these guys, Yeah
till me. Let's go exit out bout of Fresca, Exit
swollen Dome. Jason Smith, Mike Harmon. Coming up next, we'll
get into a big story revolving Lebron James who says
I'm taking a break. That's next, right here, Jason and Mike,
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Rick Buker coming up in about twenty minutes. All the
big news in the NBA right now, two big games happening.
Golden State is thumping at Lama fifteen two, and the
Knicks are doing the same to the Suns sixty one
forty four. Still four minutes ago before halftime, k Knicks
could put up seventy five points here in the first
half against Phoenix. Now let me just say this really fast. Yes,
(01:14):
it's all the Knicks starting five doing the damage and
just what you're gonna get. Yeah, but I want to
say this for a team that their hallmark has always
been defense and playing like this under Tibbs, the offense
that the Knicks have this year, with Big Bodega in
the middle like this, I don't know the last time
the Knicks had this much firepower like this is like
(01:35):
just everybody can score twenty five in a game. And yes,
it's gonna be Brunton and Karl Anthony Towns doing it
for the most part, but Anonobi can give you thirty.
He's gonna hit threes bridges the same way Josh Hart's
gonna have that game once in a while like this.
I know the Knicks are playing five guys way more
often than they should, but this offense, what they're doing,
this is insane. I mean, this is this is not
(01:57):
the Knicks you think of the Knicks. Go yeah, okay,
a couple of guys will, let's score some points that No,
this is like like watch out, like this could be
like one of the league's best offenses. As long as
you know the Knicks play more than five guys and
they actually get to their bench a little bit once
in a while you.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Realize you only have one player averaging more than sixteen
one one player out of the start outside the top
five averaging more than sixteen minutes a game. Yeah, no,
it's it's literally the starting five and McBride. And then
you get down to campaign at sixteen minutes a game,
(02:32):
they're gonna have to chare the Thoat Sims thirteen minutes
thirteen about thirteen and a half minutes a game.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
These are gonna be running out of Karl Anthony town
is gonna have nothing left by time. So when he
does slow fuf on defense, you have to understand it.
And tonight they get a little bit of a break
because kd' is stalking around in street close so defensively,
maybe a little easier night that way.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, but I'm still come on, man, you get this
is like watching an NCAA team going, can they make
this run through the tournament playing five guys? Right? Like
that's just you know, Hey, that's two games in a weekend,
Like this is the next You're gonna try to do
this for like months Yeah, what are you gonna do
this for? Well, November, December, January, February all Star breaks,
(03:19):
So that's okay, they'll real the rest we go get
a little bit of more, yeah, April, and then may
we get to the playoffs when it's a game every
other night. Oh that it's gonna be fantastic. These guys
playing all these minutes. I come s what happened last
year when all the guys got hurt. They were I
think the Knicks finished the series against the Pacers with
three guys on the floor and one of them was ewing.
I mean, at some point, hey, you have to just
(03:39):
trust we gotta play the younger guys. We gotta play
the other guys a little bit more. They got to
come off the bench. But here's just a little of
them though.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Jason like for all of this, and like I'm seeing
it in and I agree, one hundred percent. Ball movement
is great. H The shooting's been fantastic. They're up over
what fifty three percent as we sit here, and Brunson's
at the line to try to extend the lead with
it a little less than three minutes left in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
All of that to say you're still eight and six.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So this isn't even a hey, you know what, we
want to get out and be like twelve and three
and yeah, guys can't really take and then we could
take take it easy, you know that middle part of
the season around the All Star break, we could really
work that for load management and get guys proper rest
and ready for the stretch run.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, they're gassed and they're still eight and six. So
again we'll have more NBA in the way with Rick
Bucker coming up in a few minutes. Again, the Knicks
lead the Suns right now, seventy to forty eight, still
two and a half to go in the second quarter.
So we had the Chris Sale Hall of Fame conversation
a few minutes ago, so exciting him going in. I
(04:45):
know you were excited. But meanwhile, for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, the semi finalists of this year's class
have been announced. I had to get down to twenty
five and they got down to twenty five. Now two
players headline this class more than any body else. I mean,
it's crazy Antonio Gates didn't get in a year ago.
I mean maybe it was some you know, when you're
(05:06):
holding some of the you know, the the the ped
type stuff against him, and it's weird, but I don't
I don't understand it, but I get why some voters
would do that. But the guys one of the top
three tight ends in the history of the game. He
should be getting in. But leading the new candidates this
year is Eli Manning, Eli Luke Keikley, Terrell Suggs, Adam Vini,
(05:31):
Terry Earl, Thomas Marshall, Yenda. These are your your first
time UH nominees. Vince will Fork, it is Vince will Fork.
Is there to look at some guy? You know? There's
returning finalis from last year to Tory Holt and Reggie
Wayne are both there. Willie Anderson, Eric Allen, Rodney Harrison,
Fred Taylor also there. But really this is going to
(05:52):
be about Eli Manning because he is the most polarizing
Hall of Fame candidate that we've seen in may the
last fifteen or twenty years in the NFL. Because there's
there's the Eli Manning where yes, absolutely the guy is
a Hall of Fame or no, come on, the guy
was a five hundred quarterback throughout his entire career. He's
(06:12):
not a Hall of Famer. This is one of those
conversations where I see both sides of it and what
you think is not gonna matter, because Eli Manning's getting
into the Hall of Fame and I don't think it's
going to be particularly close. Like I can see him
getting in this year. You know, Eli Manning has the
two Super bowl and you kids open a super Bowl. No,
(06:34):
it's a really big deal to win two Super Bowls,
to beat the Patriots both times to end their undefeated season.
And oh, by the way, Eli Manning was the guy
that led the game winning drive both times to win
this game, including a touchdown, the helmet catch to David Tyree,
the touchdown pass that won the game down for the
field goal, and the big pass to Mario Manningham that
(06:57):
went out of bounds at the fifty the Super Bowl
when Eli was backed up to his two yard line,
like Eli Manning was at his best and won two
Super Bowls. Like, that's not something where you say, oh, yeah,
but that's the posted. No, this is what makes his
case because yes, he was a five hundred quarterback and
you can argue the merits of is our wins a
(07:17):
quarterback stat do you have to compare you have to
give wins to a quarterback. But when you're talking about
a guy who has two Super Bowls and was dynamic
his entire career, and that's what it comes down to
for me. He was regularly this is kind of the
back half of his career was when the age of
the passer really started. So the first half of his
career was more where this wasn't where people throw the
(07:39):
football forty times a game regularly like they do now.
The back half his career was kind of like that,
but the first half his career not so much. And
still he threw thirty touchdowns a year. I mean that's
a big He's between twenty five and thirty touchdowns every
single year. He is a four thousand yard passer multiple
times over the course of his career sixty percent completion percentage.
(08:02):
Eli Manning was dynamic. Whatever you think about him, and
you look he had bad body language on the field,
and I understand that because you'd see it be more
forlorn and just go off the field, Oh, Eli, Eli Eli,
But the guy was as dynamic a quarterback as you
could expect, and he won two Super Bowls and one
of the things he always did he doesn't get enough
credit for was he would always get the Giants into
(08:24):
the right formation to give a play a possibility of success.
Where when he would get to the line of scrimmage
and the adjustments he would make that would take a
play and give it a better chance to succeed. And
sometimes it's as easy as well, I'm moving some guys
around because I'm gonna I know, I want Hakeem Nicks
one on one on the dB, and I'm just throwing
it up and ni Keem Knicks is going to make
a great catch and it's gonna be all Hakeem Knicks. Well, yeah,
(08:46):
it's a Keem Nicks making that play, but it's also
Eli Manning getting the team into the formation where he
knows I have it one on one and I'm throwing
the ball to a place where only my guy is
gonna get it right like that. People don't understand that
part of it. And when Joe Burrow came into the league,
I said, he's a lot like Eli Manning. He does
the same things and he throws a ball. I'm gonna
(09:06):
take my chances, and I'm gonna take my chances where
I know it's one on one with a wide receiver
now and you're throwing a guy's like Justin Jefferson and
great receivers. Okay, it makes a little bit easier, but
still that's kind of what Joe Burrow was. I said,
he's gonna come into the league and be a better
Eli Manning, and that's kind of what he is without
the Super Bowl so far. But he's still young in
his career. But I don't think Eli really got the
(09:27):
not the respect, but I don't think Eli got the
the flowers that he should have gotten for his career
because as much as people grudgingly would give him credit
for what he accomplished, at the same time was yeah,
but look the Giants were five and twelve, because they
were eight and eight, twelve and four, seven and nine,
six and ten, eleven and five, three and twelve, like
every other year was you know what, like they were
(09:48):
great for a long time. So there was a lot
of ways to look at Eli his career and paint
it any way you want to write, and that's what
you know, that's what we do for these careers. But overall,
I don't think you can get past the fact that
hundred and thirty six touchdown three hundred and sixty six touchdowns.
He's in the top fifteen all time in the NFL.
Everybody else is in the Hall of Fame except for
Carson Palmer. All the other guys over three hundred and
(10:10):
fifty touchdowns are in the Hall of Fame. Two super
Bowls dynamic. I don't see there being a way he's
kept out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
This is where it gets really fun to watch people
who really want to get themselves twisted on this. This
was the day I was waiting for, right the next one,
and then we'll do it again once he's actually announced
that he's going in, because it's that crossroads between you know,
(10:37):
stats and one seventeen and one seventeen meet this same
crowd that lives and dies by well, Mike Tomlin won
a Super Bowl and Sean Payton won a Super Bowl
and Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl and they're all wizards.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Guess what. Let me trump that even further.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Eli Manning won both of his and you guys bow
down and kiss the ground Peyton Manny walks on when
he was carried to his second So let's talk about that.
Let's talk about two super Bowls that change the face
of everything in the last twenty years of the National
Football League. Those are two of the most important games
we've had, you know, the old you can't tell the
(11:18):
tale of the NFL without this, that or the other.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Can't do it without Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, you can't know, even with his silly face or whatever,
like he made fun of it on Saturday Night Live,
one of the best skits ever. It's always sneaky, funny
and finally getting his just doing this whole thing he's
doing with his brother now. But but all of that
to say, it's also he was in that transitional period
where outside of his brother and Drew Brees and then
(11:45):
Tom Brady, as he got on completion percentage wasn't the
same looked at the same way. It is now right
to your point about being able to put the ball downfield,
calculated risk, take your shots and trust that your guy's
gonna go make a play.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Go back and watch plays of.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
The seventies and eighties as the ball was, you know,
starting to fly right.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Peyton Manning is a guy that's still in.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The top fifteen or top twelve or whatever it is
all time for interceptions because those guys took the field
every week until it was time for Jim Sorgy, who
actually backed.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Up both of them.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Point yeah, but yeah, but all of that to say,
like Eli showed up any quarterback, he didn't miss time.
That has to count for something. The two super Bowl wins,
one from a wildcard spot, like that's got to count
for something. Like all the all of these things, the
accolades and the big numbers, thirty touchdown seasons as the
game shifted, like all of that matters. But like where
(12:43):
people get caught up in the one seventeen one seventeen,
but then everything is bowed to the ring in every
other piece of these arguments, like you can't have it
both ways, and he's instrumental to those two wins.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Period. Yeah, I don't think the vote's gonna be particularly close.
Eli's getting in. It's gonna be Eli's getting in. I'm sorry,
he's getting in the story of the NFL. That's the
best way to say. You can't tell the story of
the NFL without Eli Manning. Now without the Super bowls, Okay,
I get it. But of course they happened, and they
weren't huge. So that's yeah, point that's big, But I
(13:17):
mean that's The thing, right is either it matters for
everything or it doesn't. Like we can't selectively have the
rings conversation over here in the NBA, but in the
NFL suddenly those are diminished unless we want to talk
about that. Once upon a time, Mike Tomlin and Sean
Payton won Super Bowls, which you see quite often right now, right,
(13:37):
super Bowl winners like those are a minute, let's go,
let's let's let's do it again, which shows you how
damn hard it is to get that second one, by
the way, right, because we we lift up the guys
that we want to with their one super Bowl win,
and then we denigrate, you know, Trent Dilford and Brad
Johnson in the same breath, all right, like if it's
(13:58):
really that high a standard, Yeah, the guy's two and
they're both his. So scoreboard exit al about a Fresco
swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from the Tirack
dot Com Studios. Coming up next, Rick Bucker stops by
NBA Insider. Have the Lakers figured out a new path
to ultimate success? Are the Cavaliers really as good as
(14:19):
we thought they are? How long is joellenb gonna be
a sixer. Keep it right here, Jason to Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
The Jason Smith Show with My bes friend Mike Harmon
Live from the Tirack dot Com Studios. Halftime, The Knicks
lead the Sun seventy six to fifty eight. Seventy benches.
Whoop nixt yo h Jalen Brunson's got twenty three. This
(14:58):
Knicks offense, Wow, this defense? Joining us now in the
hotline for all the big news in the NBA. Fox
Sports one NBA Insider Extraordinary. You can follow them on
Twitter at Rick Buker. It is the aforementioned Rick Buker.
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Bud yo yo yo yo yo yo yo?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yea? All right, So, because you we've talked about this
a few times here and here we are, you know,
halftime of this game, you said you were all in
on the Knicks, just like I was still all in
on the Knicks or boy, is there something?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Oh what do you mean by by all in? I
think I pulled back a little bit last time we spoke,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You said all in, they're gonna it's gonna be faux
fox fo like Moses Malone all the way to the
NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That was you let you did not bet on the winner,
Jerry Jones, and he laid that out all in.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Sometimes I think that when I come on the show,
there must be like a voice modulator like that they have,
and it translates what I say. Maybe no, maybe it's
just in Jason's there's certain things I say and then
they go through the ear canal and what actually hits
his brain is not exactly what I've said. It's there's
(16:09):
sort of like there's this interpretation machine in there. I
can take what he said there and I can turn
it into this, and then you spit it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Back at me and I'm like, I don't even recognize that,
But well, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
In the past, Rick, I would have to do that,
but now we have AI, so I could just make
it sound like you said, whatever the hell I wanted
to make you say.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
That's exactly That's exactly what is.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Going on here. And the first time that anybody has
connected artificial intelligence with Jason Smith, but.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
In any case.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
In any case, no, I look, I actually I'm more
into the Nicks as a result of the teams that
are falling out. Philadelphia obviously has fallen on its face
and I don't expect them to get up. Milwaukee is
in spite of the wind tonight and the inning streak,
I still think that they've got major issues. So it
(17:03):
really comes down to, you know, there's a handful of
teams that that that I have that I think have
a chance. Obviously Boston in New York, I would say
I would throw Orlando uh in that in that mix,
and I'm forgetting somebody. There's a there's a fourth team
(17:24):
that we have to we have to keep in keep
in mind here and Cleveland, I think that you you
have to put them in that mix. So, you know,
being one of the top four teams without questions, I mean,
I don't see anybody else even breaking into that top four.
Uh certainly puts the Knicks in in great position. If
you talk about Orlando, they don't have a whole lot
(17:45):
of experience. Cleveland maybe a little bit more. Uh So
I would say that the Knicks are are in great position.
The one thing that is that is baffling is that
Michale Bridges. When he was acquired, you would have assumed
that he was going to that he was going to
improve their defense and their defense was good, and that
(18:09):
it was going to be great, and it's actually gone
the other direction. And I don't think we can put
all that at the feet of Karl Anthony Towns, because
if you look at the ratings and what the team
has done when Michale is on the floor, he has
one of the worst defensive ratings on the team and
one of the worst offensive ratings on the team. So
(18:31):
maybe this is just a matter of the expectations are
really high, and this is the team that was already
kind of set and they're trying to adjust to Karl
Anthony town and then Michale has to find his way
in between those two things, an established way plus a
new star that they're trying to incorporate. Because I've always
(18:52):
been a big Michale fan. I've always thought that he's
one of the better two way wings in the league.
But for all that they gave up and what the
expectations are, I would say that he's probably the biggest disappointment.
You tell me he's going to get back to what
we are used to seeing then Nick yo yo yo
(19:13):
yo yo.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, this will be fun as soon as they actually
have to use those guys beyond number six on the
depth choir, What do you happens?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
What do you mean you know that's not happening. What
are you about?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, I'm saying because it has to happen, not because
he wants it to.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
No, they should just they should just gray out.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Like on the bench.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know how you have color everywhere and then you
just like it don't work.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They just you just gray them out. That's what event.
It's not it's not operable, they're not just no, he's
not doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Unavailable.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
All right, let's go back you mentioned and we got
into the sixers there briefly, Maxie calling out Embiid. That
gets out tonight, Paul George leaves again with injury. Uh
Joel Embiid in your mind's eye, what's the next jersey
he's wearing a house?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Will he be wearing it?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Oh? Well, look I don't know that. I mean, what
can you do with him? I honestly, I who's going
to who wants to inherit that? At this point it's
because it's so much on him, and I do think
that the Sixers are stuck because like it or not,
he's your best player and Tyres BacT he is telling
(20:23):
it saying that our best player is not our hardest
worker and not our most detail oriented player, and that
is that you have no chance of winning or going
anywhere significant unless your best player is your hardest worker.
There's a lot of things, there's a lot of adjustments
(20:45):
to the formulas, the winning formulas in the NBA, but
that remains a constant where if your best player is
not your hardest worker, you are not going to You're
not going to compet for a championship because and it's
not the only thing that has to be there. But
if you go down the line, the teams that are
(21:08):
are always there and the teams that have won, you
can look at their best player and they're the hardest worker.
And conversely you can I don't know, I'm hate to
pick on this guy, but he just immediately comes to mind,
like Tracy m graty, most people would say most talented
player in the league, or you could take to l MB,
(21:29):
you know, I mean, he's MVP. There's times where you
look at his his what he's able to do. You
can make a case he's the all around best player
in the league, but when that guy is not your
hardest worker, then there's a price to be paid for
the entire team because he's not setting the standard and
it gives everybody out. So when things get hard, he's
(21:52):
not going to have the wherewithal to stand up to it,
and the rest of the team is inclined to take
an easy way out too, So he's I don't see
him going anywhere, honestly, because I don't see anybody wanting
to sign up for that and all that comes.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
With is Rick Buker. Our guest Fox Sports one NBA
insider Jason Smith Mike Harmon, live from the tirec dot
Com studios. All right, from Joel Embiid, let's head west
where you know. We talked about this on the show
the last couple of nights. I remember the painter Bob
Ross would have the happy accidents where, oh hey, look
we really stumbled into something here on this painting. I
kind of feel like that's what the Lakers have done, right.
(22:32):
JJ Reddick wants to send the message to D'Angelo Russell
about a week and a half ago, Hey, what you're
doing is not right. I'm gonna bench you, and now
you're coming off the bench. And I don't think that
that was made to be a permanent thing. It was
I got to teach you a lesson. But what the
Lakers have realized is, wait a minute. With Lebron playing
point guard, he's getting everybody involved. He is deferring to
a d as the number one option, and now Russell
(22:55):
can come off the bench and do his thing and
score points and not kill them. And suddenly the Lakers
have stumbled onto something where I think this was just
kind of a happy accident for them.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah. No, there's no there's there's no doubt that this
mix is is better and that everything shits having Dangela
come off off the bench and it gives him a
little more freedom. It allows him to play to his strength,
which is really like, I'm going to play pick and
roll and I'm going to look for my shot and
then if I get stuck, then I'm going to give
(23:26):
it up. But I'm not really trying to get everybody
involved or be conscious of who's hot. And he's not
an orchestrator. He's a pretty good pick and roll guard,
and that's the strength and that works for you off
the bend. The problem that the issue is you're playing
Lebron thirty five minutes, and can you do that the
(23:49):
entire season? Like right now, he's playing thirty five, AD's
playing thirty five, Austin Reeves is playing almost thirty five.
And they've played every game, and they've taken advantage of
they've had a fairly easy schedule and uh, and they've
beaten the teams that they're supposed to beat. And so
(24:10):
I don't want to just the one thing I don't
want to discount is what JJ Reddick has done, whether
it's moving a DL to the bench or just you know,
bringing in detail and being a communicator and setting standards
and expectations. And I think he's been terrific on all that.
(24:32):
I sometimes wonder like if they and you saw it
when they had the tough road trip and I think
they lost four out of five on that road trip,
and you know, he's slamming chairs and he's you know,
he's expressing his frustration like they're going to hit rough patches.
(24:54):
And one of the things that coaches have to become
good at is biting their tongue and not letting their
frustration boil over, because that gets old in a hurry. Players,
players will turn you off at some point if you're
(25:14):
you're reacting to everything. And that's just something you know
naturally that that a young coach who's was that long
long ago that wasn't what was still a player, is
understandable that he would have that. But look, you know,
they're they're they're right there in the mix. They're about
where I thought that. Actually they're they're maybe a little
(25:37):
bit better than I thought they would be.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
The big question is.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Just is simply going to be They don't have a
whole lot of depth. So you have to have a
d Lebron and Reeves healthy and playing every night in
order for this team to win. And can they do
that for eighty two games and then go into the
post that that is going to be the challenge And
(26:03):
for anybody who would say, man, I don't know if
that's a good bet because of the history of those
guys understandable, you know. So I'm enjoying it while I can,
uh and and not putting too much expectations on where
they're going to be in April based on what I'm
seeing in November.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Hey, Eric, besides lighting up on Arumo's defense for you know,
the continued failure, what do you got going on the
On the Ball podcast this week?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Uh? Well, a couple of things. One, I want to
talk about Jason Tatum in terms of being like, you
know how we were having the debate last year about
who was better and who is the MVP between Jalen
Brown and Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum has come back and
is demonstrating that he is the guy. He's the guy
(26:54):
with that team. And there's I've seen this with guys
before where I used to say that you were just
kind of born with the confidence of I'm a champion,
I'm going to go win championships and if you didn't
have it that you couldn't you couldn't develop it. You
either had that belief in yourself, that unshakable belief, or
you didn't. And I've come to see Lebron didn't have
(27:18):
that faith early on, and he kind of developed it.
Even Steph Curry developed it, and now we're seeing Jason
Tatum do the same thing. So combination of that and
then looking at the Calves, I broke down the Calves
fifteen game winning streak to try to diagnose, like exactly
(27:40):
how good should we consider them based on the fact
that they did something historic and if you look at
who they played and when they played them, it was
right for them, maybe not to go fifteen to er,
but it was right for them to have a great start.
I do think that they've taken another step from last year,
but I don't know that fifteen and er establishes them
(28:02):
as the team to beat in the Eastern Conference. As
the Boston Celtics demonstrated just the other night, they are
still a team to beat, But I do think Cleveland
is in the mix certainly to have home court advantage
going into the postseason. They're not They're not a mirage.
They're just not the taj Mahal.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So that's what's on the On the Ball Podcast. Get
it on Rick's Twitter page at Rick Buker. Nothing on
the On the Ball Podcast about the strangest place you've
broken news like Adam Schefter at earlier today. Nothing on
that from you is.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
This Uh yeah, you know what. I don't. I don't
like to advertise my business like that. Good letting everybody
knows who got.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Laid all right, see you, Rick, we'll talk to you
next week. Hang out goodness Buker out uh Fox Sports
Radio great stuff from Rick Buker has always going to
check out the on the Ball podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds. But first,
Monte Belanios has what's trending in the wide world of
sports where her bet of the Suns tonight may be
coming back to her a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
It might be coming back. I'm very excited about that.
I also like how Rick Bucker kept it classy, you
know what I mean. He kept it classy there at
the end, So I like that. Yeah, stick classy, San
Diego exactly exactly. Yes, your knicks are still on top, Jason,
but the Suns are trying to make a little bit
of a comeback. Eighty eight seventy seven is the score
(29:30):
six minutes left in the third quarter. Jalen Brunson shooting
the lights out at least six three pointers he's hit.
He's got twenty nine points and eight assists so far
in the game. Devin Booker twenty points for Phoenix. The
Warriors are still on top of the Hawks eighty nine
sixty seven. Late in the third quarter. Steph Curry fifteen points,
seven assists, it's a close one and into it don't
between the Magic and the Clippers, with my Clippers up
(29:51):
fifty six to fifty four at halftime a mere coffee
fourteen points so far in the game. The Calves earlier
today defeated the Pelicans, win twenty eight to one one hundred.
The Bucks took down the Bulls win twenty two to
one oh six, behind Janna Santa Ta Kumpos forty one points,
nine rebounds, and eight assists. The Rockets outscored the Pacers
one thirty to one thirteen. The Thunder beat the Trailblazers
(30:12):
one oh nine to ninety nine, and the Grizzlies without
Jahn Morant beat the seventy six Ers one seventeen to
one eleven. This was not on my Bengo car, but
the seventy six Ers are now two to twelve and
in last place in the Eastern Conference. Paul George, Joel Embiid,
Tyrese Maxey all played in this one. Paul George left
in the fourth quarter with the hyper extended knee, the
same knee he hyper extended a month ago. Ended with
(30:34):
two points. Joel Embiid did have thirty five points and
eleven rebounds, Tyrese Maxey three of thirteen from the field
and ended with eight points on that one. In the
NHL two games going on, Predators and Krakens scoreless halfway
through the second period. The Sabers and the Kings are
scoreless or fifteen minutes to go. In the second period
the Maple Leafs they shout out the Golden Knights three zero.
(30:56):
The Hurricanes beat the Flyers four to one, and the
Stars took down the Sharks five to two. A little
NFL news for you, forty nine Ers tight end George
Kittle vowed to play this weekend against the Packers after
missing last week because of a hamstring injury. Browns tight
end David n Jok who was removed from the injury report.
He is going to play in week twelve against the
Steelers and Buccaneers wide receiver of Mike Evans is expected
(31:17):
to make his return this Sunday against the Giants after
a hamstring injury that has forced him to miss the
last month. Fox Sports insider Jordan Schultz with the news
and in baseball, Tiger's pitcher Trek Scooble was named the
unanimous Alsy Young Award winner Braves pitcher Chris Sale was
named the National League So Young Award winner. Back to
you guys, thanks so much, bodyes.
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(32:01):
or not, Thursday Night football is going to be a
pretty big and close game. We'll break it down for
you next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
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Speaker 1 (32:23):
Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon live
from the tiraq dot com studios. Jason, who is this?
This is India Ari?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Stop you love one of her songs?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
This is Avril Levine.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yes, yes, very nice, double lowne double or nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh wait bet yeah, but you don't play skater Boy
for me. You play this. You know, Skateboard is one
of my favorite songs. Why do you think he played this?
It's fine. This was a hit though, right, it was
a one It wasn't it? I mean, I still I
like skater Boy.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Better see a bunch of emo kids and a teen
movie right now, Jason's.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Man Mike carbon Life from the Tirack dot com studios. So,
getting set for a big game on Thursday, And I
know you're thinking, wait a minute, Steelers Browns. Yeah, you
know why it's a big game because the Steelers play
every game close, because their offense is terrible.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, there's a couple of things that go to this
one though. Right, it's three and a half point spread,
the Steelers favored on the road. Thirty five is the
over under for this one, So yay on that. But
I saw the stat. Let's see, Mike Tomlin. They've never
won a road Divisional Thursday night football game. Oh and
seven all time, oh and five under Tomlin. Tomlin is
(33:51):
two and eight on the road on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Look, it's that that half a point is scary, right,
like if it was two and a half, But three
and a half because you could just see and I
guess jobs steel is gonna end, right, it's Boswell is
gonna kick a field goal, and then the Browns will
have the ball like inside there. Somehow they'll have the
ball with like forty five seconds left inside their own
ten yard line, and something crazy will happen and they'll
(34:16):
try some kind of crazy ass lateral and the Steels
will run it in for a touchdown and they'll win
by ten and it will look dominant. But that's really
how it's gonna end. This is gonna be a lot
closer than people think. Because the Steelers offense is bad,
all right. I mean, that's the thing they will eque
out and look, it's not like Cleveland is a really
good team. But even if the Steelers want to act
(34:37):
like Russell Wilson has transformed the offense, he hasn't. The
offense is still the same. It's the exactly the same.
It's just a different guy at quarterback. And Mike Tomlin
likes Russell Wilson more so. The quarterback position is not
a problem anymore. It's not like Justin Fields was losing games,
but for whatever reason, the preferred quarterback for Mike Tomlin
was Russell Wilson and even and look, and they've been
(34:59):
winning games obviously, but look, you beat the Jets, you
beat the Giants, they're both terrible, but you do have
a couple of nice wins over Washington and Baltimore. Defense
wins the game last week, even though Russell Wilson was awful.
But if this was justin Fields at quarterback, it would
have been a whole week of are you making a change?
Justin Fields was awful? Should be going to Russell will
But Russell Will, no, no, he won, he won, He won,
(35:20):
Like Tomlin makes excuses for Russell Wilson, Like Russell Wilson's
been fantastic, Russell Wilson is just okay, right, This team
is winning on a great defense, and they're just making
enough plays in the running game because the running game
is just met It's not like Najie Harris and Jalen
Warren are averaging five yards of carry. These guys are
just okay. They're just doing enough offensive and they have
(35:41):
just enough offensively in a game and defense, their defense
is fine. Wilson will make one play once in a
while and suddenly, oh look at this. The Steelers. You know,
how good they would be if they actually invested it
in having an offense like they would be, they would
be unstoppable. But this is how Mike Tumblin wants to
win games. He wants to win games eighteen sixteen, and
he wants to win games sixteen thirteen like that, Like
(36:03):
that's the thing, Like I don't want to win a
game twenty eight nothing, No, I want I want to
win a game forty two thirty five. That's not football.
Football is twenty to seventeen. They have to win every
game like it's nineteen seventy seven, right. We gotta run
the football a ton, the quarterback will make whatever plays
they absolutely have to, and will play phenomenal defense. Like
it's like I'm I'm gonna time more. Back to when
(36:24):
I would play Tech Bow Bowl with the worst team,
which was the Giants and the Cowboys. We had to
run the ball the entire game and had to be
Dwayne Bickett on defense to try to make an interception
someplay somewhere Like this is how the Steelers win games.
This is how Mike Tomlin wants to win games. If
they really wanted to win differently or win bigger, they
would have made bigger moves in free agency at offense,
(36:44):
at wide receiver, at other play they would have brought
in running back to was much more dynamic than the
Jalen Warre and Najie Harris duo they've had for the
last four years, right, which has just been okay, And
but they won't do it. They just won't do it. No,
this is how we want to win. This is gonna
be enough. We're gonna go the retread and Russell Wilson.
We're gonna take a guy that they didn't want him
anymore in Chicago in justin fields and have these guys
(37:06):
battle it out like it doesn't matter who their quarterback is.
The Steelers could be so much better, but they're not.
So they continue to eke out games and they'll win
until they play a team in the playoffs that is
too good for them offensively and they're gonna go home.
I can't imagine what the Steelers record would be like
if they actually went in on building an offense. But look,
tomorrow night's gonna be a game where they're gonna struggle.
(37:27):
The Cleveland will do okay. They have three really good
young receivers and to getting the ball a lot. Now
that Amari Cooper is gone, it'll be closer than you think.
But I'll give the win to Mike Tomlin and at
three and a half points, so it was really scary.
He's finally gonna win on a Thursday night. I'll give
it to him Thursday night. Oy you go.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
A plus eleven turnover differential the big stat that comes
out for the Steelers. They are second only to the
Buffalo Bills in the National Football League. Of course, take
it all with a grand AsSalt. Guess who's tied for third,
the Jets, Mariars.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It was either Bears. I gave you. I gave you
fifty to fifty. You lose.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
You must walk the Pike Bears at plus nine they're
tied with the Lions. So there you go. You got
the Bill, Steelers, Lions. And which one of these is
not like the other Bears? So the show's even taking
care of the football. They stink, But all that say,
nice meaty part of the curve as an offense twenty
three points per game twenty three point three to be precise,
(38:25):
fifth worst passing game in the NFL at one hundred
and seventy yards per but top ten in the run game.
It ain't pretty in terms of you know, yack and
big chunk yardage, But what does it do with bleeds?
Clock moves the chains and brings Boswell in again. So
he's the man of the hour. Give me the Steelers
to win. But that hook is the difference Cleveland plus
(38:47):
the points. If it was two and a half, what
would you do? What would you do two and a half.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think I might still take Cleveland because they're moving
the ball. Judy and More and all these guys, Yeah
till me. Let's go exit out bout of Fresca, Exit
swollen Dome. Jason Smith, Mike Harmon. Coming up next, we'll
get into a big story revolving Lebron James who says
I'm taking a break. That's next, right here, Jason and Mike,
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