November 22, 2024 • 49 mins
Jason and Mike look into their crystal ball and tell you exactly how Daniel Jones NFL future will go. The Browns hold off the Steelers on Thursday Night Football in the snow. And just imagine where the Browns would be if they had gone to Jameis Winston earlier in the season. Plus, an epic visit from Jay Glazer!
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Well.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
A couple of big games still in action right now.
Of course we'll get to Thursday Night football coming up
in a second, but still four minutes to go in
the first quarter and the Lakers out to a twenty
seven to twenty four lead over Orlando right now. They
are trying to continue this win streak that Oh, by
the way, coincided with you know, let's sit D'Angelo Russell.
(01:13):
Oh wait a minute, we never have to start him again.
We're a much better team. This is fantastic. Make it
six wins in a row for the Lakers to go
from four and four to ten and four and now
a win tonight eleven and four, and I'm telling you
the Lakers are for real, this version of the Lakers
for now. Because it is a long season, you don't
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know how Ad and Lebron are going to age responsibility.
But right now, this Lakers team is firing on all cylinders.
Have exactly what you wanted. You have a rookie who's
come in that has lit it up in Dalton connect
You have had your support players continuing to play well
under JJ Reddick. This has been exactly what the Lakers
hoped it would be, and they got it by accident,
(01:55):
just because JJ Reddick wanted to bench D'Angelo Russell to
send a message. Now you've you've said, oh wow, we
did that. Now Lebron's a better point garden and he's
setting everybody up and Ad is our number one option.
It's incredible what we've done just by benching a guy. No,
it works beautifully for now, and again it's a work
in progress. The show is tonight. They've been perfect at
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home thus far. Looking to extend that. Eventually they need
more work from the bench. They're gonna need to be
able to say, Okay, it's like your Nick, it's the
same thing as your Nicks.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Eventually, eventually there's gotta be a moment where you just say,
I have to trust it to steal Lebron in ad
a couple minutes, because otherwise you're playing with fire.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No, look and honestly, right now, I'd almost rather have
the Lakers bench because boy, the mix is, there's nobody
outside of Duce McBride, there's nobody to play.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It can really take minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What do we see last night when it's three minutes
to go and they're up by twenty and the starting
five is still in the game. Tips you can put
in Jericho Simms, it's okay, man, you can put in john'son.
He'll be okay. The guys go, They'll bring home a
twenty point lead in the final three minutes. No, no, no, no,
these guys are staying the game until there's about seventy
five seconds left.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And then we'll take them out of the game, like,
come on.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Man, it's like it was senior night the way they
played it all.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Right, last guys, you haven't played all year, and I'm
gonna get the manager in there.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We're gonna put you guys and leave you guys. But
tips we kind of have the game. Ah no, we
just you know how.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Much money all you guys are making. Is the highest
paid starting five in the history of the game. Yeah,
you guys are gonna keep playing.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Oh by the way, Yeah, for the Lakers, it'll be
interesting though, right, a lot of rumors about adding another
another piece to the to the front line, So curiosity
there when you're gonna get Vanderbilt back. Hachimura hasn't been
in the game yet but is eligible, and we'll play
tonight at some point. He'd been missing some time, so
you get a little bit of your rotation back. But
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it's just gonna be the curiosity for JJ Reddick of
how much he wants to, you know, keep the pedal
down with his starters.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So again, we'll keep you updated on this game. Making
a thirty four to twenty nine league Dalton connect now
and he's hit a couple of shots. He's got five member,
He's coming off that thirty seven point game from the
other night.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
All that.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What is happening right now? Right now TNF. We're at
a minute fifty five left in the game and the
Browns are facing a fourth and two. They are not
trying a field goal because of the driving snow. Hopkins
is not on the field. There is a time out
on the field right now because they were reviewing the
previous play for intentional grounding. Jamis Winston was rushed in
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the pocket. He looked like he was gonna lose about
twenty yards, but he threw it away and it was
ruled that he threw it close enough to the line
of scrimmage where a player was where it was an
incomplete pass. So now the Browns are facing a fourth
and two from the pit twenty nine yard line, a
little bit too far for Hopkins, as good as he
is in this driving snowstorm to come in. Oh sorry,
(04:56):
maybe back to third and seven. I'm sorry they called
illegal It was a font mistake. Font yeah, fun.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Atmosphere and ended up being in illegal touch because he
gets hit as he goes to throw the ball and
it falls short.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And hits alignment in the gut.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, so illegal touching five yards enforced there. So third
and seven, minute fifty five remaining.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And now the Steelers have called a second time out,
maybe just to figure out all the craziness. Now, Yeah,
the font was fourth and two because we're trying to
talk and do the show at the same time and
keep you updated. So now third and seven from the
twenty nine yard line. Again, this is a long field
goal for Hopkins. Maybe they try it, maybe they don't,
but again, still a play to figure out how it's
going here. Remember he missed two last week and that
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was before the driving snow kit.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Remember Jamis was nearly four hundred passing yards last week
and they put fourteen on the board. So there's two
field goals and with a driving storm that we've got now.
Remember when it started, it was nice and clear, Yeah,
threat of everything.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, they came out for the second half and suddenly
oh it's snowing. Okay, it's only ten to three, and
boy this game stinks, but we got snow.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now we have a point on second half.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It was like ed Harris Brayon and said, hey, let's
go to work.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh you got second half, We got points. We had
all kinds of stuff, all right, So we'll keep you
updated here again. Browns facing the third and seven again
with a little bit less than two minutes left to go.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Uh, I'll give you this.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Bold prediction after today, because this looks like it's the
worst day of the credit, the worst last couple of
days for Giants quarterback Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
We knew he was going to be done. We knew,
We told you weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Hey, it'll be week tennis when the Giants bench Daniel
Jones because of the twenty five million dollars they're going
to owe him, because his contract is guaranteed for injury
for next year. It's going to be a big deal.
They will not play him and be on the hook
when they know they're going to replace him because the
Giants stink. Daniel Jones stinks. The only problem with Daniel
Jones and he stinks just that one is that one problem,
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the one problem. Anything else up, but he stinks. So
we knew that was gonna come, and we got the
news a day ago.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Tommy Cutler is starting and you're not gonna see Daniel
Jones again. He's the emergency quarterback at least maybe he's
the four string and at this point, I don't even
know if he's gonna make it to the end of
the year with the Giants. He had a great press
conference today. He thanked the Giants for everything they did
for him because he knows I'm not gonna play again.
Thank them for everything they did. He was asked about
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his future, he says, I don't know. They asked them
if he thought he would still be a Giant at
the end of the year. He said, I don't know,
and there's two schools of thought here, and I'll tell
you what the Giants should do. He was, yeah, I
think he was a scout team playing safety today a
little bit. Daniel Jones, I mean, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I mean, I get that that's just embarrassing's stupid. I mean,
I'm sure that I'll do it. I'm sure it was
like whatever I need to do. But like for Dable
and everybody else, that's just a horrible look, petty, and
that'll come back.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's not a bad look.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's why if you're worried about the guy having his
contract for injury and Daniel Jones even said today that
was a big part of the discussion was my contract guarantee.
But why you haven't and the guy even do anything
at practice? What if he gets if he gets hurt
in practice, it's the same thing as getting hurt in
the game. Doesn't matter. You get hurt in practice, hurting
the game, your contracts still guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So the smart thing would be is to say, Okay,
we're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Here's the money.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Because the Giants don't save or lose anything by keeping
him on the roster or by letting him go, right,
it doesn't matter. And if the Giants want to move
on and continue to tank, maybe the memory of the
quarterback there is a good is a bad thing. So
you want to get rid of him. Do you really
want him around when you know he's not gonna play.
It's a weird thing, right. So I'm not saying the Giants, Hey,
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they're doing something right or wrong right now with keeping
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, well, let's see how it goes. Let's see what
plays out over the next.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Week or two.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Do we keep him, do we have to let him go?
If he stays and he's still a positive presence and
it's not weird for the team and they continue to
respond great. If it seems like it's too much of
a distraction, the Giants will let him go. But I'll
tell you what the Giants you do, because I'll give
you a Big Bowl prediction. It's gonna sound insane, but
it's gonna happen. He's gonna be the starting quarterback of
the Well, he's gonna be the starting quarterback of some
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team somewhere in twenty twenty five. And the Giant should
hold on to him and trade him sometime during or
right after free agency because there's not gonna be a
lot of quarterbacks out there, and this crop of quarterbacks
in the college draft is not great. Hey, Schoodurse Sanders
is great. Yeah, Okay, guess what, He'll go number one
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and number two overall. Travis Harnmiic go number one. There's
gonna be seven or eight teams looking for quarterbacks this year,
at least to have a bridge quarterback to somebody else.
So if I'm the Giants, what I say is, Okay,
i'll make you an active You're still a Giant, and
we're gonna trade you. Would I would hold onto him
through the beginning of March, because there's gonna be a
team that's gonna give you something for him. Now, is
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it gonna be any more than like a fifth round pick. No,
but you will still get a fifth round pick for
Daniel Jones. You will still find a way to say, hey,
Daniel Jones is here. You know, we'll get a fifth
round pick for him. And and you can allow him
to continue his career somewhere because's good, someone's gonna pick
him up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You let him go, someone's gonna pick him up the
next day.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Right because a guy has starting experience in the NFL,
we have seen him succeed to a point, and someone's
gonna pick him up, at least to be insurance or
who knows how things are gonna go for the rest
of the year. So if you let him go, someone's
gonna get him. I would keep him away from the
team and then trade him because I'm telling you, somebody's
gonna want him, because if the season ends and we
get in past the Bowls season, it's gonna be Wow.
(10:26):
After Shadura Sanders, do we really like Carson Beck that much?
Is Carson Beck really that good? This is not last
year or the year before. This is all like, well,
Caleb Williams and Jade Daniels and Bo Nick. I mean,
we're spoiled by this group of quarterbacks that have come
in that all have great present and futures in the
NFL to think the well, the next four quarterbacks next year. No,
they might not all be good. This is not a
(10:47):
great year for quarterbacks. And Daniel Jones is gonna be
really valuable. I guarantee you he'll be starting. He could
be starting for the Jets. They're not gonna get anybody
in free agency.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
If then they wind up drafting somebody, doesn't matter. But
Daniel Jones will be starting somewhere in the NFL next
year for some team, at least as a bridge guy.
So if on the Giants, I hold him and I
trade him, because you're gonna wind up getting a draft
pick for him, and that's a win for you.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I think it comes down to is it an issue
around the team? It doesn't appear, so, I mean from
all reports, big guy in the locker room in terms
of a good teammate, and you saw just the speech
he gave and obviously the montage of photos throughout the
day of him and his little Eli Manning Jersey and
all the way through. A guy who's got to live
the dream. So it doesn't seem like he'll make any ripples.
(11:34):
As you know, we point out, you know, playing scout
team safety more or less a whatever the team needs
kind of guy. That bodes well. Look, he's at worst
a backup for another several years, so to your idea,
as long as everybody's cool with the plan involved, sure
you keep him around. But just remembering that as an organization,
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the Giants are gonna be shuffling the deck quite extensively,
one might think this offseason, despite all of the the
votes of confidence that went for Shane and for Dable
and everything else, if your guy Joe Douglas was dead
man walking, I don't know what the equivalent Sean Penn
movie is for the guys on the other side of
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things there in New Jersey. But you know, for Daniel Jones,
we've seen him succeed in spots. You can blame a
lot of things, the roster construction. He just hasn't ascended,
hasn't been consistent, hasn't stayed healthy. All of that continuity
you need to step to another level wasn't there. But yeah,
if you can get a third day pick for him
(12:38):
by keeping him around, and everybody's cool with it, including
Jones and his agent, then sure. But I got to
imagine to some degree they're itching. This is why they
couldn't come to an agreement on a buyout, is that
they want to make sure they're made whole. Part of
that might also be I want to get back on
a field sooner rather than later, so maybe there would
be a little bit of acrimony.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, you know, and the Giants are a team that
for they've enjoyed that reputation of where a family. We're
always going to do what's right for the player, except
when they, you know, bench Eli manning for Gino s match.
You know, if Daniel Jones said, hey, listen, I really
want a fresh start. I really want you to release me.
(13:19):
I really want this to happen, the Giants might do
it for him because they want to be seen, hey,
he asked for They don't want to be seen to
say hey, we're holding on he holding on to you,
and then we're ruining the guy's career. The Giants like
that image of hey, we're a team that does it
better than everybody else, So if he does that, but
I gat do I think Daniel Jones is going to
actually do that because he seems like a guy's like
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I'm going down with the ship here and.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I dums who's advising him? And what are the potential
offers out there?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
In terms of could he go to another roster? I mean,
how many teams are you know, one quarterback hit away
from all right, we're done. Whereas they're in competition here
in week twelve for the back end of the wild
card and think they can still well, they may not
be able to make some noise you can sell the
fans if we're still competitive. Whereas that starter goes down
and it's a chasm to number two.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Can Jones come in and pick things up? Right?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I don't know, but you like to at least have
that availed to you if you're him.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You know, the more time that goes on, the more
I just think he's gonna be quarterback of the Jets.
He's just gonna change teams in the city. He's gonna
come over, Rogers will retires, Roger will retire, and he'll
be the bridge to get to Jordan Travis or whoever
they take in the draft and watch Daniel Jones playing
like I feel like I gotta watch now. I know
I'm gonna watch Daniel Jones play for the Jets next year. Yeah,
it's gonna happen. All right, we'll get that photoshopped in.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
No, no, no, we don't have to do that. We
don't have to just say you just spoke it. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm just saying, I just know what's gonna happen. You
have to get behind me and say, yes, I agree, that's.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What in your raging blind it and now you've forward
with it.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen dome.
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
Steelers on the move.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
With sixteen seconds left to go, they trail the Browns
twenty four to nineteen. Cleveland goes in for a touchdown.
When we speak next, is it an unbelievable Russell Wilson
moonball touchdown that wins the game? Or is it an
embarrassing TNF loss for the Steelers. That's next right here,
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The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
about live from the Tirack dot Com studios And oh boy,
did we have something following the end of the Browns
and the Steelers When we last left you, Brown's out
of twenty four to nineteen lead over the Steelers. Steelers
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were driving, they completed a pass, they were just inside
a midfield, so there was time.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
For one more moon ball.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Russell Wilson passed hail Mary to the end zone and
then you'll we've kind of seen hail Mary's work a
couple of times.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Couple of time, sure I know that? Well?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Was there magic for Russell Wilson? More importantly, what happened
after this play.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Plus three drop in and a late rush throwing up
for grabs on the end zone?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
How does this one end?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Incomplete? Right down to it up?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Al Michael's on Amazon Prime with the call incomplete. Al's
gotta be happy we had snow tonight. You had a
close game in the second half. You had Cleveland upsetting
the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You had a pretty good night. I mean, al, I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Has a lot to complain about. O. The last couple
of weeks, it's been a pretty good run. Yeah, this
one on on the surface, right, thirty six and a
half was the over under Cleveland is clevelanding. You had
the Steelers and all the feel good but it didn't
look like it was shaping up to be a big game.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And then the snow came and it's like, all right,
and we got something and then talk about something something.
We're trying to make sense of what this was following
the Hail Mary. So Wilson throws the Hail Mary. It
falls incomplete. On the play, George Pickens is not really invited.
(17:35):
He never tracks the ball. Yeah he it's he being
guarded by Greg Newsom. You go to school again.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
She gotta give me a chance to where he went
to school? It again?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
No, everybody knows, now, hell, okay, do it again.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Okay, So final play of the game, George Pickens is
been you know, it's irrelevant who's being guarded by George.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Petty's to the back of the end, but he got
into play.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
George Pickens is being covered by Greg Newsom and where
do you go to school? Wildcats?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Okay, so he's it's like he never tracks the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He's not in the he's not in the scrum for
the ball, and he kind of has his arm around Newsom. Look,
there's a lot of contact happening, honestly, and so you
see the play the ball falls incomplete. The camera cuts
to Steelers players coming onto the field, Browns players coming
on the field congratulate each other, and then the camera
cuts to the back of the end zone where George
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Pickens is on the ground and he's all the way
at the stands and it looks like he is wrestling
or fighting with someone. He's being held back by two people.
And I can't tell if these are two people who
were I mean, they're actually standing on the field, so
I think they probably work for the NFL. They have
they have blue armbands on, so I assume that means
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they have the ability to be on the field. So
it's people who are actually working on the field that
are holding George Pickens back from someone. Now, maybe it's Newsome,
maybe it's a fan. I don't know, it's hard to tell.
Newsom kind of gets up up a little bit at
the end and then he's being held back. But then
there's somebody else in the stands who reaches out and
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grabs Pickens, and Pickens puts his arm out and shoves him.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Like.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's not a.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Lot of video of this. I'm just trying to see
this over and over on a loop. But it looks
like maybe in the beginning it's a little bit of
something something with Newsome, but then it's actually Pickens and
a fan or somebody else who comes down to the
rail and puts his hand on Pickens, who find pushes
past him. Then Pickens moves away from the rail and
kind of dusts himself off and well from the snow,
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and it ends that fiasco. But that's how the game ended.
George Pickens noose him up against the railing with each other.
Then a fan comes down, people on the on the
field trying to break things up. This was This is
just a crazy way to end. I don't know if
there's a way more fitting than it ending with George
Pickens in a potential fight with somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
That happened in the final couple of minutes, right, intentional
grounding or not Pickens. There there's another play down the
sideline where he gets he gets interfered with and looks
for the call, and I don't know if it's because
the referee can't see through the snow. He's blinded by
the big snowflakes, doesn't get the call. So he was
clearly frustrated, like he thought he had a couple of
opportunities for big plays, and this one it's him and
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Newsom just going through the back of the end zone.
He's got it, you know, they're basically just wrestling and
heading back towards towards the back wall. And then all
of a sudden, that's when the camera picks it up
right because it had gone to Russell Wilson didn't get
the completion. Hey there's the victorious Jameis Winston. Wait, we
got something developing, and by then it's already in the
breakup mode. So not sure what was said. Not enough
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snow necessarily accumulated to where you would have been, you know,
firing snowballs at anybody. No, but you're close enough to
where maybe the wrong invective the got the reaction.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, look, I clearly it clearly looks like him and
Newsom got tangled up because you see Newsom stand up
with no helmet on.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Denzel Ward in Denzel Washington. So is he's been.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Doing way too much press. This movie must no but
he's gonna re know. It's also about he's retiring when
he's finishing all the movies. He's shooting now that's gonna
be and he says that's it. He's retiring.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
He says done, He's gonna be seventy five.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But he's by the time all my movies are done
that I'm shooting now. And on the problem, I'm gonna
be seventy five.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Did he get all advances on that? It's a lot
of money. I think Denzel's doing there for him. I
think he's doing all right. I'm pretty sure he's.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Doing what trade it all for a little more So,
if if we want to try to put this narrative
together with Pickens locked up with Newsome and not involved
in the play all right, so without without seeing after that,
because obviously the camera is on the play itself, I
would assume that that was not something George Pickens was
a big fan of, uh, not a big fan of
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losing the game right there and getting.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Locked up with a dB.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I bet you their physicality took themselves into the railing,
because obviously it's harder to stop with the snow. And
there was some kind of skirmish going on because when Pickens'
stands up and a couple of people media from the
media go to grab him. A couple of seconds after,
you see Newsom stand up with no helmet and and
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kind of walk away, and that's when the fed or
whoever is in the stands puts his arm on Pickens,
and Pickens pushes shoves that person away and then is
pulled away from the situation, and then it looks like
he is fine and he walks away from everything. Now
Harmon has just somehow found the end of the game video,
(22:39):
and certainly that's what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
They both take each other into the railing.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right after it's over, a referee goes running over like
he wants to break it up. So I'm telling you
that's probably what happened. It looks like, Wow, it looks
like they run into a member of the media who
has a camera. It looks like they're they're dust up
between the two of them, m and there's a guy
on a knee who is shooting the game and they
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run into him, and maybe that's how the members of
the media got involved. I'm like a detective right now. Yeah,
we're trying to end Batman the world Detective Baman.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Batman and Batman. Well, I just have to say that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well because I have I celebrate all Tyer's not paying attention.
He's selling Pokemon cards online. I mean so, if so,
I'm pretty sure that that's the narrative that what happened
right there. So the last couple you figured that out
with us right here.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
That they get into it, yes, and they're going towards
the bench, and then it becomes a question of you know,
the physicality there, and you know some immediately saying well,
it's it's Pickings throwing throwing his hands at Newsome. But
the route he's on that play is is just insane though,
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right because he's not actually looking for the ball at
any moment, right, He's just grabbing Newsome and taking him
out the.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Back of the end zone and it's a long line
into that. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So again, we'll have more on this, I am sure
in the postgame. George Pickens Steelers lose a game that
they had trailed eighteen to six, and then in a flash,
with a couple of turnovers and some big plays, they
take a nineteen eighteen lead. Then a very long and
methodical Cleveland Brown's drive gets them in the end zone.
The Steelers get close enough to midfield, Mike Tomlin sort
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of botches his timeouts, which we'll get to that part
of it coming out a bay, and the Steelers wind
up with a hail Mary at the end that does
not go. This is the big thing about the Steelers,
and it's masked by their success. And at eight and three,
this season is a success. Anytime you say something bad
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about the Steelers, defenders point to the fact, well, they're winning.
What do you want from them? Okay, that's a great point.
But certain teams, what's classified as the success is different,
all right. For the Jets, get out of the tunnel
and not having your shoes tied together, that's success.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
For the Lions, it's having more touchdowns than incomplete passes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So there's your two for the spectrum. Right, there's your
two ends of the spectrum. What success is for the
Steelers is success playing like this, relying on an average
running game and a below average quarterback and a really
good defense.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Does that get you to where you need to get to?
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And while you can win games in the regular season
because of this, and I'm just not you know, this
is not something not a strategy that doesn't work at all.
It's a strategy that is questionable because you don't win
at all like this.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is not how you win game. You don't win
Super Bowls like this.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You have to have an offense that looks like it's
a little bit dynamic, tiniest bit dynamic. And the Steelers aren't.
And it's not just that they're not dynamic, it's that
the Steelers choose this offense. Mike Tomlin chooses to have
this offense. They choose to not have great skill position players.
He has chosen to rely on Naji Harris and is
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minus four yards per carry for the last four years, right,
because Naji Harris is.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Just a guy, right, three point nine, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He has chosen to go cheap at quarterback and say, okay,
let's see if we bring in fields and Russell Wilson.
If this is gonna work, how do the Steelers not
be number one destination for a free agent quarterback. How
are you not a number one destination for a great
wide receiver, as great a franchise as you are, as
heritage a team as you are in the NFL with
a coach that everybody likes? How is this the offense
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that you not only put on the field, but you
believe in, You believe in winning games like this, and
like Tomlin wants to win games like this. Jay Glazier
has told us Tomlin loves winning these nineteen sixteen, sixteen
thirteen games. Yeah, it's fun if I was a coach,
like y'all get but that's what's good.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But if you're you're looking at at success, if you're
the Steelers, it's judged a little bit differently. And the
Steelers have fallen short a ton because they have chosen
let's try to win games like it's nineteen eighty four
with two running backs that are volume running backs that
we just give the ball to all the time we
throw the ball, and we absolutely have to with a
veteran quarterback that I can trust to not make mistakes.
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Do you want a guy that could potentially get out
there and make big plays?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
No, no, don't like that. That makes me too nervous.
Justin field is not going to play. I trust Russell
Wilson more so. This is my quarterback. How is this
the offense that goes out there? But the bigger question
is how is this something that this is the approved
strategy for the Steelers. They're playing offensive football like it's
thirty years ago. And it was any other coach, but
Mike Toumblin, we would say, this guy's gotta go.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man, you can't play like this.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In the end, the.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
NFL has passed you by.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So we said for Bill Belichick finally, but Mike Tomlin,
I look at the offense and I go okay. Russell
Wilson made a couple of nice passes in the fourth quarter.
You know what, Russell Wilson was awful in the first
three quarters. Yes, his completion percentage was good, but they
didn't move the football. He turned the ball over, he fumble,
He had a bad fumble at the middle of the field.
How is this an okay strategy and this is the
way we want to play football?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, but that's the thing, right is you talk about
old school organizations, as we talked about Daniel Jones, a
little earlier in the show of the perception and how
they go about doing business.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And one of the things with the Steelers is steady
as she goes.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
You might have a rocky season or two, but for
Mike Tomlin, they've never had.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
A losing season.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And for most you know, most of us, we'd kill
to have that level of consistency, right for you as
a Jets fan, for me as a Bears guy, and
keep on going down the line. This is the old
theory of all right, would you like to be competitive
and know that it probably falls short or suck most years,
and then have that one run up every fifteen?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Would you rather be the Marlins?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Is always the way it goes and the most apt
analogy of how you run an organization for the Steelers,
because you're always technically in the mix, it's easy to
gloss over and people like the sound bites and look,
Mike Tomlin's a good guy. I've never heard anything to
the contrary, and certainly the way he runs things.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Accountability is big, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
All of that to say, you've got stability, why would
you move from that? But you're you're running in place
in terms of all that it's around you and the
other teams. So you're gonna be good, but you're never
gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Success is different for every team, and success for the
Steelers should be super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Thing is that it was years ago, years.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Ago, Now it's not. Now He's put even more of
his own stamp on the team because I'm done with
the drama of Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell.
So now I have guys that, you know what, they
go out, they handle the football and I don't have
to worry about anything off the field. Pickens Now they're
not good. Okay, well we've got to have somebody catching passes.
Anybody else say it? He hasn't gotten rid of all
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of it. Deontay Johnson kind of wanted that. Guess what,
Deontay Johnson, you're gone. So now he kind of likes
coaching these guys that aren't giving him problems, and guess what,
they're not as good a football team. So okay, you
know the bottom, Lanne is there's a scoreboard up there
for a reason. Right, Your life as a coach needs
to be around getting the w's on the board and
not Hey, this makes me comfortable as a head coach,
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like I'd rather have this and us try to eke
and squeeze wins out than the talent I had because
I was done mentally managing Roethlisberger and Bell and Brown
and everything that came along with it was done with
those guys. So now you have this and it's the
worst team as a result.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Still up up atop the AFC North with the Ravens
because well, the Bengals can't get out of their own way.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
To find out what's trending right now in the wide
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Speaker 7 (30:37):
Mike Tomlin Steelers do fall at Cleveland in the snow
twenty four nineteen, although they didn't have a touchdown Pittsburgh
tonight until under eight minutes to go, and they still
almost pulled this one off. This has happened certainly before,
not scoring a touchdown and winning a game. In fact,
among seventy three coaches all time in the NFL with
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at least ten games without a touchdow down in this span,
Mike Tomlin's just about the best in still winning games
without scoring tds. Five different times he has done this well.
They got finally back to back touchdowns in the fourth
quarter to take the lead. Nineteen eighteen. Browns came back
with a Nick Chubb two yard touchdown run with fifty
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seven seconds left for the victory. Chub's second two yard
TV run of the night. Twenty four to nineteen Cleveland
the final, A club that was two to eight beats
a Steelers team that was eight to two.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Forty nine.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Ers quarterback Brock Purty only threw at the start of
practice today, so or shoulder still the problem. The team's
still hopeful that he can play San Francisco's at Green
Bay Sunday on Fox TV. In the late game in
the NBA, the Lakers are going to the half with
the lead. It looks like sixty seven sixty is the
halftime score against Orlando. Earlier wins for Toronto and San
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Antonio Charlotte in overtime edge Detroit won twenty three one
twenty one. LaMelo Ball thirty five points, nine assists. To
college basketball couple games tonight in the Bahamas first off
Top twenty five matchup, Baylor beats Saint John's on a
three pointer at the buzzer of double overtime Baylor ninety
nine to ninety eighth. The final and eleventh rank. Tennessee
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is ahead of Virginia early second half thirty five to
twenty four. Among the NHL games, New Jersey and Vegas
each one, Colorado a two to one winner at Washington Capitol.
Star Alex Ovechkin is expected to miss four to six
weeks with a broken leg. ALMVP Aaron Judge of the Yankees,
it was unanimous NLMVP Shohe Otani of the Dodgers, and yes,
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that was unanimous. In fact, the folks at stat Sink
says this is now three unanimous MVP awards for Otani
in the last four years. No other player in the
four major sports history has more than one in their
entire career unanimously. University of Colorado football star Travis hunter
City will declare for next April's NFL Draft. Five star
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quarterback recruit Bryce Underwood committed to Michigan, flipping from LSU.
He's from Belleville, Michigan. Underwood coutter and millions at Michigan
and nil money in his career there. Four star quarterback
Julian Lewis flipped from usc to Colorado back to you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Thank you, Steve O.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
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More on this incredibly close, slowy Thursday night match up,
the Steelers get upset in a large way. Jay Glazer
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Speaker 2 (33:29):
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Speaker 3 (33:40):
The Jason Smith Show.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
With my bes friend Mike Harmon live from the ti
rack dot Com Studios. We're gonna have Jay Glazer coming
up in about ten minutes. So now it's gonna nice
long visit with Jay coming off the Thursday Night game.
I think he's hanging out with Brett Michaels tonight, is he?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Is he like the new Drivers he displaced?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
How long?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Adj?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They will be talking dirty to us in about ten minutes,
So right then we got chack it.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, come on, that's come on, poison. Come I know
tons about poison. That was my band.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
So I just didn't think you'd pick that suck.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I didn't think you would have that sub So we
just watched the Browns with an upset win over the Steelers.
Twenty four and nineteen, and we gave you the Steelers
part of it over the course of the past few minutes. Now,
just to throw this out there, this is not to
torture Browns fans, but this is to understand that, wow,
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how close to the playoff chase would they be? And
really in the anfa, are you really not for even
with three wins, are get that far off?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
No, that's true, You're not that far off the pace.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
How much in the thick of the playoff chase would
the Browns be if they had gone to DeShawn Watson,
if they had gone to Jameis Winston. When you knew
Deshaun Watson was done, when he was beyond any sort
of help, any sort of improvement at quarterback, you saw
that the energy level that the Browns played with, the
energy level he played with every Sunday was low. And
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still they you know, Jimmy Haslam made Kevin Stefanski trot
Deshaun Watson out there, and you had lost, lost, lost
couple of really close games. Bye by week three, week four,
you know, Okay, Deshaun Watson is never getting it back.
He's terrible and it's a sunk cost. You have Jameis Winston. Yes,
you have to pay Deshaun Watson. You do not have
to play him if you went to if you went
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to Jameis Winston earlier, they probably would have a couple
more wins. Because you look at what Jameis Winston now.
He is basically through his fourth game, full game at
quarterback for them for the Browns this year, he has
thrown for one thousand yards and seven touchdowns in seven
games this year, Deshaun Watson threw for eleven hundred yards
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and five touchdowns. I mean not to make it just
about hey, this many touchdowns, this many this many yards passing,
but we show you how much more dynamic Jameis Winston
is right to be able to put this kind of
offense out there on a weekly basis. What has happened
since Jameis Winston has took over Cedric Tillman. Jerry Judy,
my goodness, this is to Jerry Judy. We thought we
were gonna get like five years ago. Elijah Moore, My goodness,
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this is the Elijah Moore the Jets thought they were
gonna get before they traded him. Like you have three
dangerous receivers who are getting the ball and obviously it's
not going to be as much offense tonight because of
the snow. But in Djoko was still a big weapon
like you. He was back like, this is a pretty
good team. You already have a pretty good defense. Not
quite the defense it was the last couple of years,
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but still you're good enough to be five hundred ish
and five and six and you're in a playoff spot
like he's like, wow, that's in the Colts. Who thought
that Colts and all kinds of plug quarterback problems, But
that's how close if you had just made the decision,
make a good command decision, which is what you you
get paid all the money of the year to do.
Whether you're Stefanski, whether you are Jimmy Haslam, doesn't matter.
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This is where you have to make that tough call
and go, we're just not going to get anything else
from And I'm sorry that we paid him, but how
much longer are we gonna have this team get held hostage?
So instead, now you have a lost year where hey,
there's some excitement at least the back half of the year,
But wow, if you had gone to them a month
ahead of time, you'd have at least two more wins
and you'd be sitting at five and six, and hey,
(37:19):
we're right in the same spot as everybody else. Man,
we're looking at we're looking with a game lead on
other teams, maybe getting into the playoffs. That's where you
are if you're the Browns who had gone to DeShawn,
gone from DeShawn Watson to Jamis Winston when you should have.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah, I mean you have those losses. Go back to
against the Giants and against the Raiders. When we look
at Winston over the last four week, those are.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
The two ones that stand out the most. Wow, the Giants, Yeah,
pretty touch schedule.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Otherwise, Man, you're right, you're playing an upstart Chargers team
that's really finding its stride a couple of weeks ago.
Last week you get blitzed by New Orleans and Taysom Hill, right,
I mean that comes out of nowhere, Player of the
week kind of, and you have a couple of missfield
goals that make it look a little worse than perhaps
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it was, as Winston went near to four hundred yards.
But three thirty four, two thirty five, three ninety five,
two nineteen, you're moving the ball. Six touchdowns during that stretch.
None today but he did have one on the ground.
All that to say, yeah, you're in the mix and
you're more cohesive as an offense. And let's face it,
the while the man has transgressions in his past, we're
(38:27):
out whitewashing away some of the stuff accused on Jameis
Winston's history. But in that locker room and in Cleveland,
he's a beloved character right now. And how much does
that way when you go out onto a field that
you're going to battle for a guy a little bit
more Deshaun Watson, you're telling me the linemen went like
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they're playing for their jobs without question. But there's a
little extra right, there's always that extra one or two percent.
Oh yeah, look that guys are going to go to
the law. And Jerome Ford played, well, I'll give you
that extra ten to fifteen site that you have what
you want to throw on it. But he's a guy
that everything he does you know, there there's there's cameras
and he gives you great quotes and he's a leader
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that way, whereas Deshaun Watson was not. So yeah, perhaps
that translates to another winn or two in the back
half of your football season. You're actually playing for something.
I mean it really, it's it's it's a maddening thing
to think about. But just sometimes not any change is good.
But when a change is needed, you have to make it,
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regardless as to what the next one. But you have
a long enough sample size, right, it's to your point
teaching you the world words sunk costs on cough. Very
very important here is that you know, while wall Haslam
and Andrew Berry and all those guys, look the eggs
already on your face. You've you've been washing it, all right,
So another bad start, or even if he has one
(39:52):
good start, that's not taking away the two plus years
of misery that you've had with him under center, he
started the corner.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
But it's one ession.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Calm down, and that's what they kept.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Looking for, just like that little glimmer of light as
opposed to looking at the body of work and his
lack of availability.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
All right, how many times is he out with random injuries?
He's done exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome.
Just think again, things I didn't think I'd say a
year ago. Boys, you had gone to Jameis Winston, sooner
you'd be in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Coming up next, we got Jay Glaizer all the latest
on this game and everything heading into this weekend of
the NFL Fox, Like, who was at your house tonight?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Better? Way better? It was h Brett Michaels as you
guys know, he's Jesus Staple. And then Bobby by Jake
body By Jake's Jake stein.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Jake Steinfeld was at your house today, right legend.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Workout commercial guy ever body by Jake That's my god,
that's my day drinking buddy? Was he drinking?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Was he lifting tomato cans in your closet?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Un out there? I say, he's my day drink, but
he drinks water or isadric tequila?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
So okay?
Speaker 6 (41:04):
But but here's that we put together. And if Bill
Richards are producers from bots and if Sunday and Kieran
who's our our she leaves our whole crew and obviously
my Wifeie Phil's life, and then it's it's just listen,
the common denominator of these people were loyal. There's just loyal,
good people. Well kind of the island and missed the toys,
but we're loyal people. Who's like so, But the thing
(41:29):
was Brett Michael Shaitton because he you know, so, I
don't know if I told you guys the story. So
Mike Tomlin's son, Mason is uh, he lives out here
now and I know Masons he was, you know, three
or four years old and he's gotten new music. He
wraps his R and b says that Brett needs to
do be fair man. And he's just come. We're gonna
go so Malibu. Me, you and Mike Tomlin son, Mason,
(41:52):
you're a diehard Skaler fan. He grew up out there
in Butler, Pennsylvania, and he used to go to you know,
like training camp in the data said, and he's just
I'm talking to Mason about what the music industry is like.
And he came and we sat, we had lunch, and
he said, in Mason's you actually got it, Like you
got it. You know what, I'm going to have you
open for me in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
So, Mike Tomlin sung, Mason opened for Brett Michaels in
Pittsburgh July fifteenth. But that's like, listen, loyalty is a
dying art. The art of loyalty is doing things for people.
He just you wanting to return. You're like, hey, how
can I help others? How can I be of service
to my friends and my brothers and what can I do?
And you know, yeah, no. My relationship Mike Tomlinson twenty
(42:38):
some years ago and Mace, I love me. She has
such a solid kid, and like this is I just
want to learn how to not trying to get in
the cut corners. I just wanted to learn from the
best and knowledge did he learn? He meant he He
made such an impression. So he's actually opened for Bret
I think in five four or five shows.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Now, wow, is he still going to open for it
now even after they lost a night?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Or is Brett Michael.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
As a results? Then I took Brett to Steelers training
camp this year and he was like, like, mind you
last time he's been a Steels training camp. His dad
took him and they sat on the other side of
the fence when he was a little kid. So he
was like, oh my god. But the funniest thing was
me and Mike Tomlin and Brett went to his bar
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in La Trobe called Dino's, and you got the head
coach of the Steelers there and the whole staff, Danny Smith,
Arthur Smith roll there and then Brett Michael's there. Nobody
can give two craps about Mike Tomlin and jab It
was Brett Michael. Take a care let This dude had
a line out the door. So yeah, it was pretty
(43:44):
cool though, man, just having these guys. He had taken
Bretta massive, but we ought to. Yeah, we had a
we had to have a a little u. We had
to have a group hugged for Brett after his Steelers lost.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Hey, so what'd you take away from that? Tonight in
the snow the Browns come back A.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
Well, here's a couple of things. Number One, people were
asking and saying, oh, like Kevin Stefanski to lose his job,
are you guys out of your mind? Like, are you
kidding me? What the owner has handcuffed him with over there?
This guy is a he has done it the right
way and like he's learned step by step by step
by step. I met Kevin Stefanski. Originally he was Brad
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Childrens's assistant, like his executive assistant when his head coach
of the Vikings. But he's he was liken. He learned
every step. But he's a great offensive mind. He's a
I think it's like for you to even talk about
firing an offensive mind like that when he's not the
issue clearly, you know, two time Coach of the Year,
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and you hamsterring him with this contract, you hamstring therh
him and and the rest of the moves he makes.
I think it's absolutely served. And Jamis cracks me up.
I trained Jamis like three years ago and unbreakable, and
and so I'm like a lot of guys he like,
I look at him, and you know, he comes in
with all this this crazy stuff and his crazy talks
and this and that he brings the down. Coach said.
(45:09):
I said, no, no, the coach got to sit over here. Man,
I'll get to do this stuff with you. I said, Jamis,
We're gonna our whole point of the way we trained unbreakable.
We're gonna make it the hardest thing you've ever done
to make topol easy. I got you. So I'm like,
we're gonna break this guy in two seconds. And I
love I love it, Like guys you could break yeah, yeah,
cracking up. But that's my goal of like I'm gonna
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try and break you, hoping that I can't break you,
and then build you up. I dude, we put Jamis
through more than we put most people through because of
a crazy other handicks And no matter what we did,
we could not break him. That that dude can work.
And we man, we shared the hell out of Jamis too,
(45:53):
and he just kept taking it, kept taking it, kept
taking it, kept taking. And I'm like, oh, okay, I
understand why this guy was drafted where it was. But
you know, there's so much other stuff. I think that
certain guys like Games want to be a brand too,
and they want to like you know, they want all
the other stuff that comes in with it. But at
the core of it, I'm telling you we cannot break him,
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and he worked his hell off. So in the end,
when you just go back to who you are, when
it's fork ethics, when there Todd's are tough, that guy
should rise up. And it happened.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Well, that's the thing we were talking about a little bit, Jay.
I mean, look, I agree with me to talk of
Stefanski losing his job as absurdity, but it is Jimmy Haslam,
which means a lot of teams would clamor in a second.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
But absolutely, yeah, right, that's the thing. Like, look, we
talked about, Like I've talked to you guys about culture.
Woody Johnson pro will never win. He's the issue. He'll
never win. Jimmy has them probably never gonna win. He's
the issue. Dan Snyder never would have won. He's the issue.
You know where missus Ford was great, but she's like,
you know what, I realized the culture of me, right,
I don't know what it is. Let me bring in
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Chris Spielman to be that aison for the president of
the team to have a different culture. And that's when
things started changing, and he helped hire Dan Campbell and
the general manager is just like man. But when the
owner doesn't realize the owner is the issue, you're never
going to win. It starts with culture. Jimmy Haslam is
(47:19):
a huge part of that problem. Woody Johnson is the
main problem. And it's just how it ended. Like again, guys,
you know, like I think I've told you, Like was
Sean Payton. I was with him when he got the
safe job, and there was no worse culture and they
just and credit like the owners just didn't know any better.
And Sean went in wiped out about eighty percent of
the building and taught him how to be an owner.
(47:42):
And now they regardless of their record. There are top night,
not top play organizations. But you got to teach owners
how to be owners. And a lot of these owners
and I got really, really really start conversations with them, said,
just because you've made buildings and somewhere else. I said,
you know, I'm same conversation all these owners. When you
have Mike Tomlin or Andy Reider, Bill Belichick run your business,
(48:04):
Oh no, totally different. Okay, then why do you think
you could make a second round pick? Just let your
football people do it. But that's the problem with the
Woody Johnsons and the Jimmy Hasels. We're gonna jump in
and play fantasy football and try and find people and
ask you to draft people, and it just will never work.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Hey, I don't want to let you go before tell
me a little bit. You had Tony Stewart on your
Unbreakable podcast this week and it looks amazing.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Man, that was unbelievable, and just talk to it. Listen.
I love getting just in the inside of the mind
of Hall of famers. Look, we call a mental Wealth
podcast because mental health is not just depression, anxiety everything.
Success is the six inches between your ears. So when
I could learn what makes a champion in any field,
and he was so badass, was so cool. Yeah please
(48:50):
Tony Stewart obviously a NASCAR champ, any chance, like Hall
of Famer. It was so sometimes you just get where
the guy. I've never met him before and I was like, man,
I could talk to this guy for hours. Luckily we
had him for an hour. It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Check it out. The link is on Jay's Twitter page.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Unbreakable a Mental Wealth podcast Tony Stewart on Jay is
always buddy, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Man, we'll talk to you next. Thanks for the story, brother,
be good ow, it's the story. How about that? I
liked that he got the phrase bang for the bucket?
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was in there
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A couple of big games still in action right now.
Of course we'll get to Thursday Night football coming up
in a second, but still four minutes to go in
the first quarter and the Lakers out to a twenty
seven to twenty four lead over Orlando right now. They
are trying to continue this win streak that Oh, by
the way, coincided with you know, let's sit D'Angelo Russell.
(01:13):
Oh wait a minute, we never have to start him again.
We're a much better team. This is fantastic. Make it
six wins in a row for the Lakers to go
from four and four to ten and four and now
a win tonight eleven and four, and I'm telling you
the Lakers are for real, this version of the Lakers
for now. Because it is a long season, you don't
(01:34):
know how Ad and Lebron are going to age responsibility.
But right now, this Lakers team is firing on all cylinders.
Have exactly what you wanted. You have a rookie who's
come in that has lit it up in Dalton connect
You have had your support players continuing to play well
under JJ Reddick. This has been exactly what the Lakers
hoped it would be, and they got it by accident,
(01:55):
just because JJ Reddick wanted to bench D'Angelo Russell to
send a message. Now you've you've said, oh wow, we
did that. Now Lebron's a better point garden and he's
setting everybody up and Ad is our number one option.
It's incredible what we've done just by benching a guy. No,
it works beautifully for now, and again it's a work
in progress. The show is tonight. They've been perfect at
(02:15):
home thus far. Looking to extend that. Eventually they need
more work from the bench. They're gonna need to be
able to say, Okay, it's like your Nick, it's the
same thing as your Nicks.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Eventually, eventually there's gotta be a moment where you just say,
I have to trust it to steal Lebron in ad
a couple minutes, because otherwise you're playing with fire.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No, look and honestly, right now, I'd almost rather have
the Lakers bench because boy, the mix is, there's nobody
outside of Duce McBride, there's nobody to play.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It can really take minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What do we see last night when it's three minutes
to go and they're up by twenty and the starting
five is still in the game. Tips you can put
in Jericho Simms, it's okay, man, you can put in john'son.
He'll be okay. The guys go, They'll bring home a
twenty point lead in the final three minutes. No, no, no, no,
these guys are staying the game until there's about seventy
five seconds left.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And then we'll take them out of the game, like,
come on.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Man, it's like it was senior night the way they
played it all.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Right, last guys, you haven't played all year, and I'm
gonna get the manager in there.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We're gonna put you guys and leave you guys. But
tips we kind of have the game. Ah no, we
just you know how.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Much money all you guys are making. Is the highest
paid starting five in the history of the game. Yeah,
you guys are gonna keep playing.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Oh by the way, Yeah, for the Lakers, it'll be
interesting though, right, a lot of rumors about adding another
another piece to the to the front line, So curiosity
there when you're gonna get Vanderbilt back. Hachimura hasn't been
in the game yet but is eligible, and we'll play
tonight at some point. He'd been missing some time, so
you get a little bit of your rotation back. But
(03:51):
it's just gonna be the curiosity for JJ Reddick of
how much he wants to, you know, keep the pedal
down with his starters.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So again, we'll keep you updated on this game. Making
a thirty four to twenty nine league Dalton connect now
and he's hit a couple of shots. He's got five member,
He's coming off that thirty seven point game from the
other night.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
All that.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What is happening right now? Right now TNF. We're at
a minute fifty five left in the game and the
Browns are facing a fourth and two. They are not
trying a field goal because of the driving snow. Hopkins
is not on the field. There is a time out
on the field right now because they were reviewing the
previous play for intentional grounding. Jamis Winston was rushed in
(04:35):
the pocket. He looked like he was gonna lose about
twenty yards, but he threw it away and it was
ruled that he threw it close enough to the line
of scrimmage where a player was where it was an
incomplete pass. So now the Browns are facing a fourth
and two from the pit twenty nine yard line, a
little bit too far for Hopkins, as good as he
is in this driving snowstorm to come in. Oh sorry,
(04:56):
maybe back to third and seven. I'm sorry they called
illegal It was a font mistake. Font yeah, fun.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Atmosphere and ended up being in illegal touch because he
gets hit as he goes to throw the ball and
it falls short.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And hits alignment in the gut.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, so illegal touching five yards enforced there. So third
and seven, minute fifty five remaining.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And now the Steelers have called a second time out,
maybe just to figure out all the craziness. Now, Yeah,
the font was fourth and two because we're trying to
talk and do the show at the same time and
keep you updated. So now third and seven from the
twenty nine yard line. Again, this is a long field
goal for Hopkins. Maybe they try it, maybe they don't,
but again, still a play to figure out how it's
going here. Remember he missed two last week and that
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was before the driving snow kit.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Remember Jamis was nearly four hundred passing yards last week
and they put fourteen on the board. So there's two
field goals and with a driving storm that we've got now.
Remember when it started, it was nice and clear, Yeah,
threat of everything.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, they came out for the second half and suddenly
oh it's snowing. Okay, it's only ten to three, and
boy this game stinks, but we got snow.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Now we have a point on second half.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It was like ed Harris Brayon and said, hey, let's
go to work.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh you got second half, We got points. We had
all kinds of stuff, all right, So we'll keep you
updated here again. Browns facing the third and seven again
with a little bit less than two minutes left to go.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Uh, I'll give you this.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Bold prediction after today, because this looks like it's the
worst day of the credit, the worst last couple of
days for Giants quarterback Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
We knew he was going to be done. We knew,
We told you weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Hey, it'll be week tennis when the Giants bench Daniel
Jones because of the twenty five million dollars they're going
to owe him, because his contract is guaranteed for injury
for next year. It's going to be a big deal.
They will not play him and be on the hook
when they know they're going to replace him because the
Giants stink. Daniel Jones stinks. The only problem with Daniel
Jones and he stinks just that one is that one problem,
(06:52):
the one problem. Anything else up, but he stinks. So
we knew that was gonna come, and we got the
news a day ago.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Tommy Cutler is starting and you're not gonna see Daniel
Jones again. He's the emergency quarterback at least maybe he's
the four string and at this point, I don't even
know if he's gonna make it to the end of
the year with the Giants. He had a great press
conference today. He thanked the Giants for everything they did
for him because he knows I'm not gonna play again.
Thank them for everything they did. He was asked about
(07:21):
his future, he says, I don't know. They asked them
if he thought he would still be a Giant at
the end of the year. He said, I don't know,
and there's two schools of thought here, and I'll tell
you what the Giants should do. He was, yeah, I
think he was a scout team playing safety today a
little bit. Daniel Jones, I mean, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I mean, I get that that's just embarrassing's stupid. I mean,
I'm sure that I'll do it. I'm sure it was
like whatever I need to do. But like for Dable
and everybody else, that's just a horrible look, petty, and
that'll come back.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's not a bad look.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's why if you're worried about the guy having his
contract for injury and Daniel Jones even said today that
was a big part of the discussion was my contract guarantee.
But why you haven't and the guy even do anything
at practice? What if he gets if he gets hurt
in practice, it's the same thing as getting hurt in
the game. Doesn't matter. You get hurt in practice, hurting
the game, your contracts still guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So the smart thing would be is to say, Okay,
we're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Here's the money.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Because the Giants don't save or lose anything by keeping
him on the roster or by letting him go, right,
it doesn't matter. And if the Giants want to move
on and continue to tank, maybe the memory of the
quarterback there is a good is a bad thing. So
you want to get rid of him. Do you really
want him around when you know he's not gonna play.
It's a weird thing, right. So I'm not saying the Giants, Hey,
(08:36):
they're doing something right or wrong right now with keeping
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, well, let's see how it goes. Let's see what
plays out over the next.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Week or two.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Do we keep him, do we have to let him go?
If he stays and he's still a positive presence and
it's not weird for the team and they continue to
respond great. If it seems like it's too much of
a distraction, the Giants will let him go. But I'll
tell you what the Giants you do, because I'll give
you a Big Bowl prediction. It's gonna sound insane, but
it's gonna happen. He's gonna be the starting quarterback of
the Well, he's gonna be the starting quarterback of some
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team somewhere in twenty twenty five. And the Giant should
hold on to him and trade him sometime during or
right after free agency because there's not gonna be a
lot of quarterbacks out there, and this crop of quarterbacks
in the college draft is not great. Hey, Schoodurse Sanders
is great. Yeah, Okay, guess what, He'll go number one
(09:26):
and number two overall. Travis Harnmiic go number one. There's
gonna be seven or eight teams looking for quarterbacks this year,
at least to have a bridge quarterback to somebody else.
So if I'm the Giants, what I say is, Okay,
i'll make you an active You're still a Giant, and
we're gonna trade you. Would I would hold onto him
through the beginning of March, because there's gonna be a
team that's gonna give you something for him. Now, is
(09:48):
it gonna be any more than like a fifth round pick. No,
but you will still get a fifth round pick for
Daniel Jones. You will still find a way to say, hey,
Daniel Jones is here. You know, we'll get a fifth
round pick for him. And and you can allow him
to continue his career somewhere because's good, someone's gonna pick
him up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You let him go, someone's gonna pick him up the
next day.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Right because a guy has starting experience in the NFL,
we have seen him succeed to a point, and someone's
gonna pick him up, at least to be insurance or
who knows how things are gonna go for the rest
of the year. So if you let him go, someone's
gonna get him. I would keep him away from the
team and then trade him because I'm telling you, somebody's
gonna want him, because if the season ends and we
get in past the Bowls season, it's gonna be Wow.
(10:26):
After Shadura Sanders, do we really like Carson Beck that much?
Is Carson Beck really that good? This is not last
year or the year before. This is all like, well,
Caleb Williams and Jade Daniels and Bo Nick. I mean,
we're spoiled by this group of quarterbacks that have come
in that all have great present and futures in the
NFL to think the well, the next four quarterbacks next year. No,
they might not all be good. This is not a
(10:47):
great year for quarterbacks. And Daniel Jones is gonna be
really valuable. I guarantee you he'll be starting. He could
be starting for the Jets. They're not gonna get anybody
in free agency.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
If then they wind up drafting somebody, doesn't matter. But
Daniel Jones will be starting somewhere in the NFL next
year for some team, at least as a bridge guy.
So if on the Giants, I hold him and I
trade him, because you're gonna wind up getting a draft
pick for him, and that's a win for you.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I think it comes down to is it an issue
around the team? It doesn't appear, so, I mean from
all reports, big guy in the locker room in terms
of a good teammate, and you saw just the speech
he gave and obviously the montage of photos throughout the
day of him and his little Eli Manning Jersey and
all the way through. A guy who's got to live
the dream. So it doesn't seem like he'll make any ripples.
(11:34):
As you know, we point out, you know, playing scout
team safety more or less a whatever the team needs
kind of guy. That bodes well. Look, he's at worst
a backup for another several years, so to your idea,
as long as everybody's cool with the plan involved, sure
you keep him around. But just remembering that as an organization,
(11:55):
the Giants are gonna be shuffling the deck quite extensively,
one might think this offseason, despite all of the the
votes of confidence that went for Shane and for Dable
and everything else, if your guy Joe Douglas was dead
man walking, I don't know what the equivalent Sean Penn
movie is for the guys on the other side of
(12:17):
things there in New Jersey. But you know, for Daniel Jones,
we've seen him succeed in spots. You can blame a
lot of things, the roster construction. He just hasn't ascended,
hasn't been consistent, hasn't stayed healthy. All of that continuity
you need to step to another level wasn't there. But yeah,
if you can get a third day pick for him
(12:38):
by keeping him around, and everybody's cool with it, including
Jones and his agent, then sure. But I got to
imagine to some degree they're itching. This is why they
couldn't come to an agreement on a buyout, is that
they want to make sure they're made whole. Part of
that might also be I want to get back on
a field sooner rather than later, so maybe there would
be a little bit of acrimony.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, you know, and the Giants are a team that
for they've enjoyed that reputation of where a family. We're
always going to do what's right for the player, except
when they, you know, bench Eli manning for Gino s match.
You know, if Daniel Jones said, hey, listen, I really
want a fresh start. I really want you to release me.
(13:19):
I really want this to happen, the Giants might do
it for him because they want to be seen, hey,
he asked for They don't want to be seen to
say hey, we're holding on he holding on to you,
and then we're ruining the guy's career. The Giants like
that image of hey, we're a team that does it
better than everybody else, So if he does that, but
I gat do I think Daniel Jones is going to
actually do that because he seems like a guy's like
(13:40):
I'm going down with the ship here and.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I dums who's advising him? And what are the potential
offers out there?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
In terms of could he go to another roster? I mean,
how many teams are you know, one quarterback hit away
from all right, we're done. Whereas they're in competition here
in week twelve for the back end of the wild
card and think they can still well, they may not
be able to make some noise you can sell the
fans if we're still competitive. Whereas that starter goes down
and it's a chasm to number two.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Can Jones come in and pick things up? Right?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I don't know, but you like to at least have
that availed to you if you're him.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You know, the more time that goes on, the more
I just think he's gonna be quarterback of the Jets.
He's just gonna change teams in the city. He's gonna
come over, Rogers will retires, Roger will retire, and he'll
be the bridge to get to Jordan Travis or whoever
they take in the draft and watch Daniel Jones playing
like I feel like I gotta watch now. I know
I'm gonna watch Daniel Jones play for the Jets next year. Yeah,
it's gonna happen. All right, we'll get that photoshopped in.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
No, no, no, we don't have to do that. We
don't have to just say you just spoke it. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm just saying, I just know what's gonna happen. You
have to get behind me and say, yes, I agree, that's.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What in your raging blind it and now you've forward
with it.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen dome.
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
Steelers on the move.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
With sixteen seconds left to go, they trail the Browns
twenty four to nineteen. Cleveland goes in for a touchdown.
When we speak next, is it an unbelievable Russell Wilson
moonball touchdown that wins the game? Or is it an
embarrassing TNF loss for the Steelers. That's next right here,
Jason to Mike, This is Fox Sports Radio.
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The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
about live from the Tirack dot Com studios And oh boy,
did we have something following the end of the Browns
and the Steelers When we last left you, Brown's out
of twenty four to nineteen lead over the Steelers. Steelers
(16:01):
were driving, they completed a pass, they were just inside
a midfield, so there was time.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
For one more moon ball.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Russell Wilson passed hail Mary to the end zone and
then you'll we've kind of seen hail Mary's work a
couple of times.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Couple of time, sure I know that? Well?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Was there magic for Russell Wilson? More importantly, what happened
after this play.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Plus three drop in and a late rush throwing up
for grabs on the end zone?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
How does this one end?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Incomplete? Right down to it up?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Al Michael's on Amazon Prime with the call incomplete. Al's
gotta be happy we had snow tonight. You had a
close game in the second half. You had Cleveland upsetting
the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You had a pretty good night. I mean, al, I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Has a lot to complain about. O. The last couple
of weeks, it's been a pretty good run. Yeah, this
one on on the surface, right, thirty six and a
half was the over under Cleveland is clevelanding. You had
the Steelers and all the feel good but it didn't
look like it was shaping up to be a big game.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And then the snow came and it's like, all right,
and we got something and then talk about something something.
We're trying to make sense of what this was following
the Hail Mary. So Wilson throws the Hail Mary. It
falls incomplete. On the play, George Pickens is not really invited.
(17:35):
He never tracks the ball. Yeah he it's he being
guarded by Greg Newsom. You go to school again.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
She gotta give me a chance to where he went
to school? It again?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
No, everybody knows, now, hell, okay, do it again.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Okay, So final play of the game, George Pickens is
been you know, it's irrelevant who's being guarded by George.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Petty's to the back of the end, but he got
into play.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
George Pickens is being covered by Greg Newsom and where
do you go to school? Wildcats?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Okay, so he's it's like he never tracks the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He's not in the he's not in the scrum for
the ball, and he kind of has his arm around Newsom. Look,
there's a lot of contact happening, honestly, and so you
see the play the ball falls incomplete. The camera cuts
to Steelers players coming onto the field, Browns players coming
on the field congratulate each other, and then the camera
cuts to the back of the end zone where George
(18:25):
Pickens is on the ground and he's all the way
at the stands and it looks like he is wrestling
or fighting with someone. He's being held back by two people.
And I can't tell if these are two people who
were I mean, they're actually standing on the field, so
I think they probably work for the NFL. They have
they have blue armbands on, so I assume that means
(18:45):
they have the ability to be on the field. So
it's people who are actually working on the field that
are holding George Pickens back from someone. Now, maybe it's Newsome,
maybe it's a fan. I don't know, it's hard to tell.
Newsom kind of gets up up a little bit at
the end and then he's being held back. But then
there's somebody else in the stands who reaches out and
(19:07):
grabs Pickens, and Pickens puts his arm out and shoves him.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Like.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's not a.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Lot of video of this. I'm just trying to see
this over and over on a loop. But it looks
like maybe in the beginning it's a little bit of
something something with Newsome, but then it's actually Pickens and
a fan or somebody else who comes down to the
rail and puts his hand on Pickens, who find pushes
past him. Then Pickens moves away from the rail and
kind of dusts himself off and well from the snow,
(19:33):
and it ends that fiasco. But that's how the game ended.
George Pickens noose him up against the railing with each other.
Then a fan comes down, people on the on the
field trying to break things up. This was This is
just a crazy way to end. I don't know if
there's a way more fitting than it ending with George
Pickens in a potential fight with somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
That happened in the final couple of minutes, right, intentional
grounding or not Pickens. There there's another play down the
sideline where he gets he gets interfered with and looks
for the call, and I don't know if it's because
the referee can't see through the snow. He's blinded by
the big snowflakes, doesn't get the call. So he was
clearly frustrated, like he thought he had a couple of
opportunities for big plays, and this one it's him and
(20:17):
Newsom just going through the back of the end zone.
He's got it, you know, they're basically just wrestling and
heading back towards towards the back wall. And then all
of a sudden, that's when the camera picks it up
right because it had gone to Russell Wilson didn't get
the completion. Hey there's the victorious Jameis Winston. Wait, we
got something developing, and by then it's already in the
breakup mode. So not sure what was said. Not enough
(20:40):
snow necessarily accumulated to where you would have been, you know,
firing snowballs at anybody. No, but you're close enough to
where maybe the wrong invective the got the reaction.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, look, I clearly it clearly looks like him and
Newsom got tangled up because you see Newsom stand up
with no helmet on.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Denzel Ward in Denzel Washington. So is he's been.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Doing way too much press. This movie must no but
he's gonna re know. It's also about he's retiring when
he's finishing all the movies. He's shooting now that's gonna
be and he says that's it. He's retiring.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
He says done, He's gonna be seventy five.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But he's by the time all my movies are done
that I'm shooting now. And on the problem, I'm gonna
be seventy five.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Did he get all advances on that? It's a lot
of money. I think Denzel's doing there for him. I
think he's doing all right. I'm pretty sure he's.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Doing what trade it all for a little more So,
if if we want to try to put this narrative
together with Pickens locked up with Newsome and not involved
in the play all right, so without without seeing after that,
because obviously the camera is on the play itself, I
would assume that that was not something George Pickens was
a big fan of, uh, not a big fan of
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losing the game right there and getting.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Locked up with a dB.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I bet you their physicality took themselves into the railing,
because obviously it's harder to stop with the snow. And
there was some kind of skirmish going on because when Pickens'
stands up and a couple of people media from the
media go to grab him. A couple of seconds after,
you see Newsom stand up with no helmet and and
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kind of walk away, and that's when the fed or
whoever is in the stands puts his arm on Pickens,
and Pickens pushes shoves that person away and then is
pulled away from the situation, and then it looks like
he is fine and he walks away from everything. Now
Harmon has just somehow found the end of the game video,
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and certainly that's what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
They both take each other into the railing.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right after it's over, a referee goes running over like
he wants to break it up. So I'm telling you
that's probably what happened. It looks like, Wow, it looks
like they run into a member of the media who
has a camera. It looks like they're they're dust up
between the two of them, m and there's a guy
on a knee who is shooting the game and they
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run into him, and maybe that's how the members of
the media got involved. I'm like a detective right now. Yeah,
we're trying to end Batman the world Detective Baman.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Batman and Batman. Well, I just have to say that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well because I have I celebrate all Tyer's not paying attention.
He's selling Pokemon cards online. I mean so, if so,
I'm pretty sure that that's the narrative that what happened
right there. So the last couple you figured that out
with us right here.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
That they get into it, yes, and they're going towards
the bench, and then it becomes a question of you know,
the physicality there, and you know some immediately saying well,
it's it's Pickings throwing throwing his hands at Newsome. But
the route he's on that play is is just insane though,
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right because he's not actually looking for the ball at
any moment, right, He's just grabbing Newsome and taking him
out the.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Back of the end zone and it's a long line
into that. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So again, we'll have more on this, I am sure
in the postgame. George Pickens Steelers lose a game that
they had trailed eighteen to six, and then in a flash,
with a couple of turnovers and some big plays, they
take a nineteen eighteen lead. Then a very long and
methodical Cleveland Brown's drive gets them in the end zone.
The Steelers get close enough to midfield, Mike Tomlin sort
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of botches his timeouts, which we'll get to that part
of it coming out a bay, and the Steelers wind
up with a hail Mary at the end that does
not go. This is the big thing about the Steelers,
and it's masked by their success. And at eight and three,
this season is a success. Anytime you say something bad
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about the Steelers, defenders point to the fact, well, they're winning.
What do you want from them? Okay, that's a great point.
But certain teams, what's classified as the success is different,
all right. For the Jets, get out of the tunnel
and not having your shoes tied together, that's success.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
For the Lions, it's having more touchdowns than incomplete passes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So there's your two for the spectrum. Right, there's your
two ends of the spectrum. What success is for the
Steelers is success playing like this, relying on an average
running game and a below average quarterback and a really
good defense.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Does that get you to where you need to get to?
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And while you can win games in the regular season
because of this, and I'm just not you know, this
is not something not a strategy that doesn't work at all.
It's a strategy that is questionable because you don't win
at all like this.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is not how you win game. You don't win
Super Bowls like this.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You have to have an offense that looks like it's
a little bit dynamic, tiniest bit dynamic. And the Steelers aren't.
And it's not just that they're not dynamic, it's that
the Steelers choose this offense. Mike Tomlin chooses to have
this offense. They choose to not have great skill position players.
He has chosen to rely on Naji Harris and is
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minus four yards per carry for the last four years, right,
because Naji Harris is.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Just a guy, right, three point nine, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
He has chosen to go cheap at quarterback and say, okay,
let's see if we bring in fields and Russell Wilson.
If this is gonna work, how do the Steelers not
be number one destination for a free agent quarterback. How
are you not a number one destination for a great
wide receiver, as great a franchise as you are, as
heritage a team as you are in the NFL with
a coach that everybody likes? How is this the offense
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that you not only put on the field, but you
believe in, You believe in winning games like this, and
like Tomlin wants to win games like this. Jay Glazier
has told us Tomlin loves winning these nineteen sixteen, sixteen
thirteen games. Yeah, it's fun if I was a coach,
like y'all get but that's what's good.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But if you're you're looking at at success, if you're
the Steelers, it's judged a little bit differently. And the
Steelers have fallen short a ton because they have chosen
let's try to win games like it's nineteen eighty four
with two running backs that are volume running backs that
we just give the ball to all the time we
throw the ball, and we absolutely have to with a
veteran quarterback that I can trust to not make mistakes.
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Do you want a guy that could potentially get out
there and make big plays?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
No, no, don't like that. That makes me too nervous.
Justin field is not going to play. I trust Russell
Wilson more so. This is my quarterback. How is this
the offense that goes out there? But the bigger question
is how is this something that this is the approved
strategy for the Steelers. They're playing offensive football like it's
thirty years ago. And it was any other coach, but
Mike Toumblin, we would say, this guy's gotta go.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man, you can't play like this.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In the end, the.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
NFL has passed you by.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
So we said for Bill Belichick finally, but Mike Tomlin,
I look at the offense and I go okay. Russell
Wilson made a couple of nice passes in the fourth quarter.
You know what, Russell Wilson was awful in the first
three quarters. Yes, his completion percentage was good, but they
didn't move the football. He turned the ball over, he fumble,
He had a bad fumble at the middle of the field.
How is this an okay strategy and this is the
way we want to play football?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, but that's the thing, right is you talk about
old school organizations, as we talked about Daniel Jones, a
little earlier in the show of the perception and how
they go about doing business.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And one of the things with the Steelers is steady
as she goes.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
You might have a rocky season or two, but for
Mike Tomlin, they've never had.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
A losing season.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And for most you know, most of us, we'd kill
to have that level of consistency, right for you as
a Jets fan, for me as a Bears guy, and
keep on going down the line. This is the old
theory of all right, would you like to be competitive
and know that it probably falls short or suck most years,
and then have that one run up every fifteen?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Would you rather be the Marlins?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Is always the way it goes and the most apt
analogy of how you run an organization for the Steelers,
because you're always technically in the mix, it's easy to
gloss over and people like the sound bites and look,
Mike Tomlin's a good guy. I've never heard anything to
the contrary, and certainly the way he runs things.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Accountability is big, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
All of that to say, you've got stability, why would
you move from that? But you're you're running in place
in terms of all that it's around you and the
other teams. So you're gonna be good, but you're never
gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Success is different for every team, and success for the
Steelers should be super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Thing is that it was years ago, years.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Ago, Now it's not. Now He's put even more of
his own stamp on the team because I'm done with
the drama of Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell.
So now I have guys that, you know what, they
go out, they handle the football and I don't have
to worry about anything off the field. Pickens Now they're
not good. Okay, well we've got to have somebody catching passes.
Anybody else say it? He hasn't gotten rid of all
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of it. Deontay Johnson kind of wanted that. Guess what,
Deontay Johnson, you're gone. So now he kind of likes
coaching these guys that aren't giving him problems, and guess what,
they're not as good a football team. So okay, you
know the bottom, Lanne is there's a scoreboard up there
for a reason. Right, Your life as a coach needs
to be around getting the w's on the board and
not Hey, this makes me comfortable as a head coach,
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like I'd rather have this and us try to eke
and squeeze wins out than the talent I had because
I was done mentally managing Roethlisberger and Bell and Brown
and everything that came along with it was done with
those guys. So now you have this and it's the
worst team as a result.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Still up up atop the AFC North with the Ravens
because well, the Bengals can't get out of their own way.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
To find out what's trending right now in the wide
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Speaker 7 (30:37):
Mike Tomlin Steelers do fall at Cleveland in the snow
twenty four nineteen, although they didn't have a touchdown Pittsburgh
tonight until under eight minutes to go, and they still
almost pulled this one off. This has happened certainly before,
not scoring a touchdown and winning a game. In fact,
among seventy three coaches all time in the NFL with
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at least ten games without a touchdow down in this span,
Mike Tomlin's just about the best in still winning games
without scoring tds. Five different times he has done this well.
They got finally back to back touchdowns in the fourth
quarter to take the lead. Nineteen eighteen. Browns came back
with a Nick Chubb two yard touchdown run with fifty
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seven seconds left for the victory. Chub's second two yard
TV run of the night. Twenty four to nineteen Cleveland
the final, A club that was two to eight beats
a Steelers team that was eight to two.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Forty nine.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Ers quarterback Brock Purty only threw at the start of
practice today, so or shoulder still the problem. The team's
still hopeful that he can play San Francisco's at Green
Bay Sunday on Fox TV. In the late game in
the NBA, the Lakers are going to the half with
the lead. It looks like sixty seven sixty is the
halftime score against Orlando. Earlier wins for Toronto and San
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Antonio Charlotte in overtime edge Detroit won twenty three one
twenty one. LaMelo Ball thirty five points, nine assists. To
college basketball couple games tonight in the Bahamas first off
Top twenty five matchup, Baylor beats Saint John's on a
three pointer at the buzzer of double overtime Baylor ninety
nine to ninety eighth. The final and eleventh rank. Tennessee
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is ahead of Virginia early second half thirty five to
twenty four. Among the NHL games, New Jersey and Vegas
each one, Colorado a two to one winner at Washington Capitol.
Star Alex Ovechkin is expected to miss four to six
weeks with a broken leg. ALMVP Aaron Judge of the Yankees,
it was unanimous NLMVP Shohe Otani of the Dodgers, and yes,
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that was unanimous. In fact, the folks at stat Sink
says this is now three unanimous MVP awards for Otani
in the last four years. No other player in the
four major sports history has more than one in their
entire career unanimously. University of Colorado football star Travis hunter
City will declare for next April's NFL Draft. Five star
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quarterback recruit Bryce Underwood committed to Michigan, flipping from LSU.
He's from Belleville, Michigan. Underwood coutter and millions at Michigan
and nil money in his career there. Four star quarterback
Julian Lewis flipped from usc to Colorado back to you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Thank you, Steve O.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon livethtirack dot Com Studios.
More on this incredibly close, slowy Thursday night match up,
the Steelers get upset in a large way. Jay Glazer
joins us.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 3 (33:40):
The Jason Smith Show.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
With my bes friend Mike Harmon live from the ti
rack dot Com Studios. We're gonna have Jay Glazer coming
up in about ten minutes. So now it's gonna nice
long visit with Jay coming off the Thursday Night game.
I think he's hanging out with Brett Michaels tonight, is he?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Is he like the new Drivers he displaced?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
How long?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Adj?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They will be talking dirty to us in about ten minutes,
So right then we got chack it.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, come on, that's come on, poison. Come I know
tons about poison. That was my band.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
So I just didn't think you'd pick that suck.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I didn't think you would have that sub So we
just watched the Browns with an upset win over the Steelers.
Twenty four and nineteen, and we gave you the Steelers
part of it over the course of the past few minutes. Now,
just to throw this out there, this is not to
torture Browns fans, but this is to understand that, wow,
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how close to the playoff chase would they be? And
really in the anfa, are you really not for even
with three wins, are get that far off?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
No, that's true, You're not that far off the pace.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
How much in the thick of the playoff chase would
the Browns be if they had gone to DeShawn Watson,
if they had gone to Jameis Winston. When you knew
Deshaun Watson was done, when he was beyond any sort
of help, any sort of improvement at quarterback, you saw
that the energy level that the Browns played with, the
energy level he played with every Sunday was low. And
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still they you know, Jimmy Haslam made Kevin Stefanski trot
Deshaun Watson out there, and you had lost, lost, lost
couple of really close games. Bye by week three, week four,
you know, Okay, Deshaun Watson is never getting it back.
He's terrible and it's a sunk cost. You have Jameis Winston. Yes,
you have to pay Deshaun Watson. You do not have
to play him if you went to if you went
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to Jameis Winston earlier, they probably would have a couple
more wins. Because you look at what Jameis Winston now.
He is basically through his fourth game, full game at
quarterback for them for the Browns this year, he has
thrown for one thousand yards and seven touchdowns in seven
games this year, Deshaun Watson threw for eleven hundred yards
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and five touchdowns. I mean not to make it just
about hey, this many touchdowns, this many this many yards passing,
but we show you how much more dynamic Jameis Winston
is right to be able to put this kind of
offense out there on a weekly basis. What has happened
since Jameis Winston has took over Cedric Tillman. Jerry Judy,
my goodness, this is to Jerry Judy. We thought we
were gonna get like five years ago. Elijah Moore, My goodness,
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this is the Elijah Moore the Jets thought they were
gonna get before they traded him. Like you have three
dangerous receivers who are getting the ball and obviously it's
not going to be as much offense tonight because of
the snow. But in Djoko was still a big weapon
like you. He was back like, this is a pretty
good team. You already have a pretty good defense. Not
quite the defense it was the last couple of years,
(36:35):
but still you're good enough to be five hundred ish
and five and six and you're in a playoff spot
like he's like, wow, that's in the Colts. Who thought
that Colts and all kinds of plug quarterback problems, But
that's how close if you had just made the decision,
make a good command decision, which is what you you
get paid all the money of the year to do.
Whether you're Stefanski, whether you are Jimmy Haslam, doesn't matter.
(36:59):
This is where you have to make that tough call
and go, we're just not going to get anything else
from And I'm sorry that we paid him, but how
much longer are we gonna have this team get held hostage?
So instead, now you have a lost year where hey,
there's some excitement at least the back half of the year,
But wow, if you had gone to them a month
ahead of time, you'd have at least two more wins
and you'd be sitting at five and six, and hey,
(37:19):
we're right in the same spot as everybody else. Man,
we're looking at we're looking with a game lead on
other teams, maybe getting into the playoffs. That's where you
are if you're the Browns who had gone to DeShawn,
gone from DeShawn Watson to Jamis Winston when you should have.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah, I mean you have those losses. Go back to
against the Giants and against the Raiders. When we look
at Winston over the last four week, those are.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
The two ones that stand out the most. Wow, the Giants, Yeah,
pretty touch schedule.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Otherwise, Man, you're right, you're playing an upstart Chargers team
that's really finding its stride a couple of weeks ago.
Last week you get blitzed by New Orleans and Taysom Hill, right,
I mean that comes out of nowhere, Player of the
week kind of, and you have a couple of missfield
goals that make it look a little worse than perhaps
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it was, as Winston went near to four hundred yards.
But three thirty four, two thirty five, three ninety five,
two nineteen, you're moving the ball. Six touchdowns during that stretch.
None today but he did have one on the ground.
All that to say, yeah, you're in the mix and
you're more cohesive as an offense. And let's face it,
the while the man has transgressions in his past, we're
(38:27):
out whitewashing away some of the stuff accused on Jameis
Winston's history. But in that locker room and in Cleveland,
he's a beloved character right now. And how much does
that way when you go out onto a field that
you're going to battle for a guy a little bit
more Deshaun Watson, you're telling me the linemen went like
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they're playing for their jobs without question. But there's a
little extra right, there's always that extra one or two percent.
Oh yeah, look that guys are going to go to
the law. And Jerome Ford played, well, I'll give you
that extra ten to fifteen site that you have what
you want to throw on it. But he's a guy
that everything he does you know, there there's there's cameras
and he gives you great quotes and he's a leader
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that way, whereas Deshaun Watson was not. So yeah, perhaps
that translates to another winn or two in the back
half of your football season. You're actually playing for something.
I mean it really, it's it's it's a maddening thing
to think about. But just sometimes not any change is good.
But when a change is needed, you have to make it,
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regardless as to what the next one. But you have
a long enough sample size, right, it's to your point
teaching you the world words sunk costs on cough. Very
very important here is that you know, while wall Haslam
and Andrew Berry and all those guys, look the eggs
already on your face. You've you've been washing it, all right,
So another bad start, or even if he has one
(39:52):
good start, that's not taking away the two plus years
of misery that you've had with him under center, he
started the corner.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
But it's one ession.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Calm down, and that's what they kept.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Looking for, just like that little glimmer of light as
opposed to looking at the body of work and his
lack of availability.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
All right, how many times is he out with random injuries?
He's done exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome.
Just think again, things I didn't think I'd say a
year ago. Boys, you had gone to Jameis Winston, sooner
you'd be in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Coming up next, we got Jay Glaizer all the latest
on this game and everything heading into this weekend of
the NFL Fox, Like, who was at your house tonight?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Better? Way better? It was h Brett Michaels as you
guys know, he's Jesus Staple. And then Bobby by Jake
body By Jake's Jake stein.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Jake Steinfeld was at your house today, right legend.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Workout commercial guy ever body by Jake That's my god,
that's my day drinking buddy? Was he drinking?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Was he lifting tomato cans in your closet?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Un out there? I say, he's my day drink, but
he drinks water or isadric tequila?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
So okay?
Speaker 6 (41:04):
But but here's that we put together. And if Bill
Richards are producers from bots and if Sunday and Kieran
who's our our she leaves our whole crew and obviously
my Wifeie Phil's life, and then it's it's just listen,
the common denominator of these people were loyal. There's just loyal,
good people. Well kind of the island and missed the toys,
but we're loyal people. Who's like so, But the thing
(41:29):
was Brett Michael Shaitton because he you know, so, I
don't know if I told you guys the story. So
Mike Tomlin's son, Mason is uh, he lives out here
now and I know Masons he was, you know, three
or four years old and he's gotten new music. He
wraps his R and b says that Brett needs to
do be fair man. And he's just come. We're gonna
go so Malibu. Me, you and Mike Tomlin son, Mason,
(41:52):
you're a diehard Skaler fan. He grew up out there
in Butler, Pennsylvania, and he used to go to you know,
like training camp in the data said, and he's just
I'm talking to Mason about what the music industry is like.
And he came and we sat, we had lunch, and
he said, in Mason's you actually got it, Like you
got it. You know what, I'm going to have you
open for me in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
So, Mike Tomlin sung, Mason opened for Brett Michaels in
Pittsburgh July fifteenth. But that's like, listen, loyalty is a
dying art. The art of loyalty is doing things for people.
He just you wanting to return. You're like, hey, how
can I help others? How can I be of service
to my friends and my brothers and what can I do?
And you know, yeah, no. My relationship Mike Tomlinson twenty
(42:38):
some years ago and Mace, I love me. She has
such a solid kid, and like this is I just
want to learn how to not trying to get in
the cut corners. I just wanted to learn from the
best and knowledge did he learn? He meant he He
made such an impression. So he's actually opened for Bret
I think in five four or five shows.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Now, wow, is he still going to open for it
now even after they lost a night?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Or is Brett Michael.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
As a results? Then I took Brett to Steelers training
camp this year and he was like, like, mind you
last time he's been a Steels training camp. His dad
took him and they sat on the other side of
the fence when he was a little kid. So he
was like, oh my god. But the funniest thing was
me and Mike Tomlin and Brett went to his bar
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in La Trobe called Dino's, and you got the head
coach of the Steelers there and the whole staff, Danny Smith,
Arthur Smith roll there and then Brett Michael's there. Nobody
can give two craps about Mike Tomlin and jab It
was Brett Michael. Take a care let This dude had
a line out the door. So yeah, it was pretty
(43:44):
cool though, man, just having these guys. He had taken
Bretta massive, but we ought to. Yeah, we had a
we had to have a a little u. We had
to have a group hugged for Brett after his Steelers lost.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Hey, so what'd you take away from that? Tonight in
the snow the Browns come back A.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
Well, here's a couple of things. Number One, people were
asking and saying, oh, like Kevin Stefanski to lose his job,
are you guys out of your mind? Like, are you
kidding me? What the owner has handcuffed him with over there?
This guy is a he has done it the right
way and like he's learned step by step by step
by step. I met Kevin Stefanski. Originally he was Brad
(44:24):
Childrens's assistant, like his executive assistant when his head coach
of the Vikings. But he's he was liken. He learned
every step. But he's a great offensive mind. He's a
I think it's like for you to even talk about
firing an offensive mind like that when he's not the
issue clearly, you know, two time Coach of the Year,
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and you hamsterring him with this contract, you hamstring therh
him and and the rest of the moves he makes.
I think it's absolutely served. And Jamis cracks me up.
I trained Jamis like three years ago and unbreakable, and
and so I'm like a lot of guys he like,
I look at him, and you know, he comes in
with all this this crazy stuff and his crazy talks
and this and that he brings the down. Coach said.
(45:09):
I said, no, no, the coach got to sit over here. Man,
I'll get to do this stuff with you. I said, Jamis,
We're gonna our whole point of the way we trained unbreakable.
We're gonna make it the hardest thing you've ever done
to make topol easy. I got you. So I'm like,
we're gonna break this guy in two seconds. And I
love I love it, Like guys you could break yeah, yeah,
cracking up. But that's my goal of like I'm gonna
(45:30):
try and break you, hoping that I can't break you,
and then build you up. I dude, we put Jamis
through more than we put most people through because of
a crazy other handicks And no matter what we did,
we could not break him. That that dude can work.
And we man, we shared the hell out of Jamis too,
(45:53):
and he just kept taking it, kept taking it, kept
taking it, kept taking. And I'm like, oh, okay, I
understand why this guy was drafted where it was. But
you know, there's so much other stuff. I think that
certain guys like Games want to be a brand too,
and they want to like you know, they want all
the other stuff that comes in with it. But at
the core of it, I'm telling you we cannot break him,
(46:13):
and he worked his hell off. So in the end,
when you just go back to who you are, when
it's fork ethics, when there Todd's are tough, that guy
should rise up. And it happened.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Well, that's the thing we were talking about a little bit, Jay.
I mean, look, I agree with me to talk of
Stefanski losing his job as absurdity, but it is Jimmy Haslam,
which means a lot of teams would clamor in a second.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
But absolutely, yeah, right, that's the thing. Like, look, we
talked about, Like I've talked to you guys about culture.
Woody Johnson pro will never win. He's the issue. He'll
never win. Jimmy has them probably never gonna win. He's
the issue. Dan Snyder never would have won. He's the issue.
You know where missus Ford was great, but she's like,
you know what, I realized the culture of me, right,
I don't know what it is. Let me bring in
(46:57):
Chris Spielman to be that aison for the president of
the team to have a different culture. And that's when
things started changing, and he helped hire Dan Campbell and
the general manager is just like man. But when the
owner doesn't realize the owner is the issue, you're never
going to win. It starts with culture. Jimmy Haslam is
(47:19):
a huge part of that problem. Woody Johnson is the
main problem. And it's just how it ended. Like again, guys,
you know, like I think I've told you, Like was
Sean Payton. I was with him when he got the
safe job, and there was no worse culture and they
just and credit like the owners just didn't know any better.
And Sean went in wiped out about eighty percent of
the building and taught him how to be an owner.
(47:42):
And now they regardless of their record. There are top night,
not top play organizations. But you got to teach owners
how to be owners. And a lot of these owners
and I got really, really really start conversations with them, said,
just because you've made buildings and somewhere else. I said,
you know, I'm same conversation all these owners. When you
have Mike Tomlin or Andy Reider, Bill Belichick run your business,
(48:04):
Oh no, totally different. Okay, then why do you think
you could make a second round pick? Just let your
football people do it. But that's the problem with the
Woody Johnsons and the Jimmy Hasels. We're gonna jump in
and play fantasy football and try and find people and
ask you to draft people, and it just will never work.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Hey, I don't want to let you go before tell
me a little bit. You had Tony Stewart on your
Unbreakable podcast this week and it looks amazing.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Man, that was unbelievable, and just talk to it. Listen.
I love getting just in the inside of the mind
of Hall of famers. Look, we call a mental Wealth
podcast because mental health is not just depression, anxiety everything.
Success is the six inches between your ears. So when
I could learn what makes a champion in any field,
and he was so badass, was so cool. Yeah please
(48:50):
Tony Stewart obviously a NASCAR champ, any chance, like Hall
of Famer. It was so sometimes you just get where
the guy. I've never met him before and I was like, man,
I could talk to this guy for hours. Luckily we
had him for an hour. It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Check it out. The link is on Jay's Twitter page.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Unbreakable a Mental Wealth podcast Tony Stewart on Jay is
always buddy, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Man, we'll talk to you next. Thanks for the story, brother,
be good ow, it's the story. How about that? I
liked that he got the phrase bang for the bucket?
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was in there
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Jason Smith
Mike Harmon
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