November 22, 2024 • 40 mins
Jason and Mike look into their crystal ball and tell you exactly how Daniel Jones NFL future will go. The Browns hold off the Steelers on Thursday Night Football in the snow. And just imagine where the Browns would be if they had gone to Jameis Winston earlier in the season!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
A couple of big games still in action right now.
Of course, we'll get to Thursday Night football coming up
in a second, but still four minutes to go in
the first quarter. The Lakers out to a twenty seven
to twenty four lead over Orlando right now. They are
trying to continue this win streak that, oh, by the way,
coincided with you know, let's sit D'Angelo Russell. Oh wait
(01:13):
a minute, we never have to start him again. We're
a much better team. This is fantastic. Make it six
wins in a row for the Lakers to go from
four and four to ten and four, and now win
tonight eleven and four. And I'm telling you the Lakers
are for real, this version of the Lakers for now.
Because it is a long season, you don't know how
(01:33):
Ad and Lebron are going to age responsibility. But right
now this Lakers team is firing on all cylinders. Have
exactly what you wanted. You have a rookie who's come
in that has lit it up in Dalton connect You
have had your support players continuing to play well under
JJ Reddick. This has been exactly what the Lakers hoped
it would be, and they got it by accident, just
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because JJ Reddick wanted to bench D'Angelo Russell to send
a message. Now you've said, oh wow, we did that.
Now Lebron's a better point garden and he's setting everybody
up and Ad is our number one option. It's incredible
what we've done just by benching a guy.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No, it works beautifully for now, and again it's a
work in progress. The show is tonight. They've been perfect
at home thus far, looking to extend that. Eventually they
need more work from the bench. They're gonna need to
be able to say, Okay, it's like your Nick or
it's the same thing as your Nicks.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Eventually, eventually there's gotta be a moment.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Where you just say, I have to trust it to
steal Lebron in ad a couple minutes, because otherwise you're
playing with fire.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You're absolutely right. No, look and honestly, right now, I'd
almost rather have the Lakers bench because boy, the mix is,
there's nobody outside of Duce McBride, there's nobody to play.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It can really take minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What do we see last night when it's three minutes
to go and they're up by twenty and the starting
five is still in the game, TIBs, you can put
in Jericho Simms, it's okay, man. You can put in
John Starks. He'll be okay. Hey, the guys go. They'll
bring home a twenty point lead in the final three minutes. No, no, no, no,
these guys are staying the game until there's about seventy
five seconds left and then we'll take them out of
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the game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Like come on, man, It's like it was senior Night
the way they played it. All right, last guys, you
haven't played all year, and I'm gonna get the manager
in there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We're gonna put you guys and leave you guys. But
tips we kind of have the game. Ah no, we
just you know how much money all you guys are making.
The highest paid starting five in the history of the game. Yeah,
you guys are gonna keep playing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh by the way, Yeah, for the Lakers, it'll be
interesting though, right, a lot of rumors about adding another
another piece to the to the front line. So curiosity
there when you're gonna get Vanderbilt back. Hachimura hasn't been
in the game yet but is eligible and we'll play
tonight at some point. He'd been missing some time, so
you get a little bit of your rotation back. But
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it's just gonna be the curiosity for JJ Reddick of
how much he wants to, you know, keep the pedal
down with his starters.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So again, we'll keep you updated on this game. Making
a thirty four to twenty nine lead Dalton connect now
and he's hit a couple of shots. He's got five member,
he's coming off that thirty seven point game from the
other night.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh row, what is happening right now?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Bro? Right now, TNF. We're at a minute fifty five
left in the game and the Browns are facing a
fourth and two. They are not trying a field goal
because of the driving snow. Hopkins is not on the field.
There is a time out on the field right now
because they were reviewing the previous play for intentional grounding.
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Jamis Winston was rushed in the pocket. He looked like
he was gonna lose about twenty yards, but he threw
it away and it was ruled that he threw it
close enough to the line of scrimmage where a player
was where it was an incomplete pass. So now the
Browns are facing a fourth and two from the pit
twenty nine yard line. A little bit too far for
Hopkins as good as he is in this driving snowstorm
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to come in. Oh sorry, maybe back to third and seven.
I'm sorry, is a font mistake?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Font Yeah, so atmosphere and ended up being in illegal
touch because he gets hit as he goes to throw
the ball and it falls short and hits alignment in
the gut. Yeah, so illegal touching five yards enforced there,
So third and seven, minute fifty five remaining, and now
the Steelers have called a second time out, maybe just
to figure out all the craziness. Now they Yeah, the
(05:20):
font was fourth and two because we're trying to talk
and do the show at the same time and keep
you updated. So now third and seven from the twenty
nine yard line. Again, this is a long field goal
for Hopkins. Maybe they try it, maybe they don't, but again,
still a play to figure out how it's going here.
Remember he missed two last week, and that was before
the driving snowcake. Remember Jamis was nearly four hundred passing
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yards last week and they put fourteen on the board.
So there's two field goals and with a driving storm
that we've got now, remember when.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It started, it was nice and clear, Yeah, threat of
everything and theah they came out for the second half
and suddenly, oh it's snowing. Okay, it's only ten to three,
and boy, this game stinks, but we got snow.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Now we have such second half.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It was like Ed Harris Brayon and said, hey, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Go to work you on second half.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We got points, we had all kinds of stuff, all right,
so we'll keep you updated here again, Browns. We facing
the third and seven again with a little bit less
than two minutes left to go. I'll give you this
bold prediction after today, because this looks like it's the
worst day of the credit, the worst last couple of
days for Giants quarterback Daniel Jones. We knew he was
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gonna be done. We knew, We told you weeks ago. Hey,
it'll be week tennis when the Giants bench Daniel Jones
because of the twenty five million dollars they're going to
owe him, because his contract is guaranteed for injury for
next year. It's going to be a big deal. They
will not play him and be on the hook when
they know they're going to replace him because the Giants stink.
Daniel Jones stinks. The only problem with Daniel Jones and
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he stinks. Just that one. Here's that one problem, the
one problem. Anything else up, but he stinks. So we
knew that was gonna come, and we got the news
a day ago. That was it. Tommy Cutletz is starting
and you're not gonna see Daniel Jones again. He's the
emergency quarterback. At least maybe he's the four string and
at this point I don't even know if he's gonna
make it to the end of the year with the Giants.
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He had a great press conference today. He thanked the
Giants for everything they did for him because he knows
I'm not gonna play again. Thanked them for everything they did.
He was asked about his future, he says, I don't know.
They asked them if he thought he would still be
a Giant at the end of the year. He said,
I don't know. And there's two schools of thought here,
and I'll tell you what the Giants should do. He was, yeah,
I think he was a scout team playing safety today
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a little bit. Daniel Jones, I mean, what are you doing?
I mean, I get that that's just embarrassing. He's stupid.
I mean, I'm sure that I'll do it. I'm sure
it was like whatever I need to do.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But like for Gable and everybody else, that's just a
horrible look, petty, and that'll come back.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's not a bad look. It's why if you're worried
about the guy having his contract for injury. And Daniel
Jones even said today that was a big part of
the discussion, was my contract guarantee. But why you haven't
the guy even do anything at practice. What if he
gets If he gets hurt in practice, it's the same
thing as getting hurt in the game. Doesn't matter. You
get hurt in practice, hurting the game, your contracts still guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So the smart thing would be is to say, Okay,
we're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you go.
Here's the money, because the Giants don't save or lose
anything by keeping him on the roster or by letting
him go, right, it doesn't matter. And if the Giants
want to move on and continue to tank, maybe the
memory of the quarterback there is a good is a
bad thing. So you want to get rid of him.
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Do you really want him around when you know he's
not gonna play. It's a weird thing, right, So I'm
not saying the Giants, Hey, they're doing something right or
wrong right now with keeping Daniel Jones. Well, well, let's see
how it goes. Let's see what plays out over the
next week or two. Do we keep him? Do we
have to let him go? If he stays and he's
still a positive presence and it's not weird for the team,
and they continue to respond.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Great.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
If it seems like it's too much of a distraction,
the Giants will let him go. But I'll tell you
what the Giants you do, because I'll give you a
Big Bowl prediction. It's gonna sound insane, but it's gonna happen.
He's gonna be the starting quarterback of the Jets and
twenty eight five. Well, he's gonna be the starting quarterback
of some team somewhere in twenty twenty five, and the
Giant should hold on to him and trade him sometime
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during or right after free agency because there's not gonna
be a lot of quarterbacks out there, and this crop
of quarterbacks in the college draft is not great. Hey,
Shoodurse Sanders is great. Yeah, Okay, guess what, He'll go
number one and number two overall. Travis hernermight go number one.
There's gonna be seven or eight teams looking for quarterbacks
this year, at least to have a bridge quarterback to
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somebody else. So if I'm the Giants, what I say is, okay,
i'll make you an active you're still a Giant, and
we're gonna trade you. Would I would hold onto him
through the beginning of March because there's gonna be a
team that's gonna give you something for him. Now, is
it gonna be any more than like a fifth round pick. No,
but you will still get a fifth round pick for
Daniel Jones. You will still find a way to say, hey,
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Daniel Jones is here. You know, we'll get a fifth
round pick for him, and you can allow him to
continue his career somewhere because's good, someone's gonna pick him up.
You let him go, someone's gonna pick him up the
next day. Right because a guy has starting experience in
the NFL, we have seen him succeed to a point,
and someone's gonna pick him up, at least to be
insurance or who knows how things are gonna go for
the rest of the year. So if you let him go,
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someone's gonna get him. I would keep him away from
the team and then trade him because I'm telling you,
somebody's gonna want him. Because if the season ends and
we get in past the bowl season, it's gonna be Wow.
After Shadura Sanders, do we really like Carson Beck that much?
Is Carson Beck really that good? This is not last
year or the year before. This is all like, well,
Caleb Williams and Jade Daniels and bow Nick. I mean,
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we're spoiled by this group of quarterbacks that have come
in that all have great present and futures in the
NFL to think the well, the next four quarterbacks next year, No,
they might not all be good. There's this This is
not a great year for quarterbacks. And Daniel Jones is
gonna be really valuable. I guarantee you he'll be starting.
He could be starting for the Jets. They're not gonna
get anybody in free agency now, then they wind up
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drafting somebody doesn't matter. But Daniel Jones will be starting
somewhere in the NFL next year for some team, at
least as a bridge guy. So if on the Giants,
I hold him and I trade him, because you're gonna
wind up getting a draft pick for him, and that's
a win for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think it comes down to is it an issue
around the team. It doesn't appear, so, I mean from
all reports, big guy in the locker room in terms
of a good teammate, and you saw just the speech
he gave and obviously the montage of photos throughout the
day of him and his little Eli Manning Jersey and
all the way through. A guy who's got to live
the dream. So it doesn't seem like he'll make any ripples.
(11:33):
As you know, we point out, you know, playing scout
team safety more or less a whatever the team needs
kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That bodes well.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Look, he's at worst a backup for another several years,
so to your idea, as long as everybody's cool with
the plan involved, sure you keep him around. But just
remembering that as an organization, the Giants are gonna be
shuffling the deck quite extensively. One might think this all season,
despite all of the the votes of confidence that went
(12:04):
for Shane and for Dable and everything else, if your
guy Joe Douglas was dead man walking, I don't know
what the equivalent Sean Penn movie is for the guys
on the other side of things there in New Jersey.
But you know, for Daniel Jones, we've seen him succeed
in spots. You can blame a lot of things, the
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roster construction. He just hasn't ascended, hasn't been consistent, hasn't
stayed healthy. All of that continuity you need to step
to another level wasn't there. But yeah, if you can
get a third day pick for him by keeping him around,
and everybody's cool with it, including Jones and his agent,
then sure, but I gotta imagine to some degree they're itching.
This is why they couldn't come to an agreement on
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a buyout, is that they want to make sure they're
made whole. Part of that might also be I want
to get back on a field sooner rather than later,
So maybe there would be a little bit of acrimony.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, you know, and the Giants are a team that
for they've enjoyed that reputation of where a family. We're
always going to do what's right for the player, except
when they you know, bench Eli Manning for Gino Smetch.
You know, so that if Daniel Jones said, hey, listen,
I really want a fresh start. I really want you
to release me. I really want this to happen, the
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Giants might do it for him because they want to
be seen, hey, he asked for They don't want to
be seen to say hey, we're holding on he holding
on to you, and then we're ruining the guy's career.
The Giants like that image of hey, we're a team
that does it better than everybody else. So if he
does that, but I gat do I think Daniel Jones
is going to actually do that because he seems like
a guy like I'm going down with the ship here and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Comes who's advising him? And what are the potential offers
out there? Right in terms of could he go to
another ros So, I mean, how many teams are you know,
one quarterback hit away from all right, we're done. Whereas
they're in competition here in week twelve for the back
end of the wild card and think they can still well,
they may not be able to make some noise you
can sell the fans if we're still competitive. Whereas that
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starter goes down and it's a chasm to number two.
Can Jones come in and pick things up?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right? I don't know, but you like to at least
have that availed to you if you're him. You know,
the more time that goes on, the more I just
think he's gonna be quarterback of the Jets. He's just
gonna change teams in the city. He's gonna come over.
Rogers will retire, Travis, Roger will retire, and he'll be
the bridge to get to Jordan Travis or whoever they
take in the draft and gonna watch Daniel Jones play
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like I feel like I gotta watch now. I know
I'm gonna watch Daniel Jones play for the Jets next year. Yeah,
it's gonna happen. All right, we'll get that photoshopped in
with let's go.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, no, no, we don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We don't have to just say you just spoke into it.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I just know what's
gonna happen. You have to get behind me and say, yes,
I agree, that's what higher in your ring behind it,
and now you've noted forward with it. Exit out about
a Fresca exit swollen dome. The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Carmen from the Tirac dot Com Studios. Steelers on
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the move. With sixteen seconds left to go, they trail
the Browns twenty four to nineteen. Cleveland goes in for
a touchdown. When we speak next, is it an unbelievable
Russell Wilson moonball touchdown that wins the game? Or is
it an embarrassing TNF loss for the Steelers. That's next
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
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Com Studios? And oh boy, did we have something? Following
the end of the Browns and the Steelers When we
last left you, Brown's out of twenty four to nineteen
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lead over the Steelers. Steelers were driving, they completed a pass,
they were just inside a midfield, so there was time
for one more moon ball. Russell Wilson passed hail Mary
to the end zone and then you'll kind of seen
hail Mary's work a couple of times. Couple of time.
Sure I know that? Well? Was there magic for Russell Wilson?
More importantly, what happened after this play?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Rush three drop abe and a late rush throwing up
for grabs on the end zone?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
How does this one end? Incomplete? Right down to it?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Up?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Al Michael's on Amazon Prime with the call incomplete. Al's
gotta be happy we had snow tonight. You had a
close game in the second half. You had Cleveland upsetting
the Steelers. You had a pretty good night. I mean, al,
I don't think has a lot to complain about. O.
The last couple of weeks, it's been a pretty good run.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, I know this one on the surface, right, thirty
six and a half was the over under Cleveland is clevelanding.
You had the Steelers and all the feel good but
it didn't look like it was shaping up to be
a big game.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And then the snow came and it's like, all right,
and we got something and then talk about something something.
We're trying to make sense of what this was following
the Hail Mary. So Wilson throws the Hail Mary. It
falls incomplete. On the play, George Pickens is not really
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he never tracks the ball. He it's he being guarded
by Greg Newsom good, you go to school, akays, you
gotta give me a chance to where he went to school?
It again, No, everybody knows, now, hell, okay, do it again. Okay,
So final play of the game, George Pickens is you know,
it's irrelevant who's being guarded by George. Petty's to the
back of the end, but he got into play. George
Pickens is being covered by Greg news and where do
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you go to school? Wildcats? Okay, so he's it's like
he never tracks the ball. He's not in the he's
not in the scrum for the ball, and he's kind
of has his arm around Newsom a little bit.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Look, there's a lot of contact happening, honestly, and so
you see the play the ball falls incomplete. The camera
cuts to Steelers players coming onto the field, Browns players
coming on the field congratulate each other, and then the
camera cuts to the back of the end zone where
George Pickens is on the ground and he's all the
way at the stands and it looks like he is
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wrestling or fighting with someone. He's being held back by
two people. And I can't tell if these are two
people who were I mean, they're actually standing on the field,
so I think they probably work for the NFL. They
have blue armbands on, so I assume that means they
have the ability to be on the field. So it's
people who are actually working on the field that are
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holding George Pickens back from someone. Now, maybe it's Newsome,
maybe it's a fan. I don't know, it's hard to tell.
Newsom kind of gets up a little bit at the end,
and then he's being held back. But then there's somebody
else in the stands who reaches out and grabs Pickens,
and Pickens puts his arm out and shoves him.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
There's not a lot of video of this. I'm just
trying to see this over and over on a loop.
But it looks like maybe in the beginning it's a
little bit of something something with Newsome, but then it's
actually Pickens and a fan or somebody else who comes
down to the rail and puts his hand on Pickens,
who find pushes past him. Then Pickens moves away from
the rail and kind of dusts himself off and well
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from the snow, and it ends that fiasco. But that's
how the game ended. George Pickens loose him up against
the railing with each other. Then a fan comes down,
people on the on the field trying to break things up.
This was This is just a crazy way to end.
I don't know there's a way more fitting than it
ending with George Pickens in a potential fight with somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that that happened in the
final couple of minutes, right, intentional grounding or not Pickens.
There was another play down the sideline where he gets
he gets interfered with and looks for the call, and
I don't know if it's because the referee can't see
through the snow. He's blinded by the big snowflakes, doesn't
get the call. So he was clearly frustrated, like he
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thought he had a couple of opportunities for big plays,
and this one it's him and Newsom just going through
the back of the end zone. He's got it, you know,
they're basically just wrestling and heading back towards towards the
back wall. And then all of a sudden, that's when
the camera picks it up right because it had gone
to Russell Wilson didn't get the completion. Hey there's the
victorious Jameis Winston. Wait, we got something developing, and by
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then it's already in the breakup mode. So not sure
what was said. Not enough snow necessarily accumulated to where
you would have been, you know, firing snowballs at anybody. No,
but you're close enough to where maybe the wrong invective
got the got the reaction.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, look, I clearly it clearly looks like him and
Newsom got tangled up because you've seen Newsom stand up
with no helmet on. That's him, and you got your
Denzel Ward in there as well.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I got Denzel Washington. So is he's been doing way
too much press. This movie must no, but he's gonna
re know. It's also about he's retiring when he's finishing
all the movies. He's shooting now, that's gonna be and
he says that's it. He's retiring.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He says done, He's gonna be seventy five.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But he's by the time all my movies are done
that I'm shooting now. And on the problem, I'm gonna
be seventy five.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Did he get all advances on that? It's a lot
of money. I think Denzel's doing other I think he's
doing all right. I'm pretty sure he's.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Doing what trade it all for a little more So,
if we want to try to put this narrative together
with Pickens locked up with Newsome and not involved in
the play, all right, so without without seeing after that,
because obviously the camera is on the play itself, I
would assume that that was not something George Pickens was
a big fan of. Uh, not a big fan of
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losing the game right there and getting locked up with
a dB. I bet you their physicality took themselves into
the railing because obviously it's harder to stop with the snow,
and there was some kind of skirmish going on because
when Pickens' stands up and a couple of people media
from the media go to grab him. A couple of
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seconds after, you see Newsom stand up with no helmet
and and kind of walk away, and that's when the
thin or whoever is in the stands puts his arm
on Pickens, and Pickens pushes shoves that person away and
then is pulled away from the situation, and then it
looks like he is fine and he walks away from everything.
Now Harmon has just somehow found the end of the
(22:34):
game video, and certainly that's what it looks like. They
both take each other into the railing. Right after it's over,
a referee goes running over like he wants to break
it up. So I'm telling you that's probably what happened.
It looks like, Wow, it looks like they run into
a member of the media who has a camera. It
looks like they're they're dust up between the two of
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them and there's a guy on a knee who is
shooting the game and they run into him. And maybe
that's how the members of the media got involved. I'm
like a detective right now. Yeah, we're trying to enjo Batman.
The world is detective Batman.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm Batman.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, I just have to say that, well because I
have I celebrate all's not paying attention. He's selling Pokemon
cards online. Uh, I mean so, if so, I'm pretty
sure that that's the narrative that what happened right there.
So the last couple, you figured that out with us
right now that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
They get into it, yes, and they're going towards the bed,
and then it becomes a question of you know, the
physicality there and and you know some immediately saying well,
it's it's pickings throwing throwing his hands at Newsome. But
the route on that play is is just insane though,
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right because he's not actually looking for the ball at
any moment, right, He's just grabbing Newsome and taking him out.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
The back of the end zone. And it's a long
line into that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Crazy. Uh So again, we'll have more on this, I
am sure.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In the post game of George Pickens. Steelers lose a
game that they had trailed eighteen to six, and then
in a flash, with a couple of turnovers and some
big plays, they take a nineteen eighteen lead.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Then a very.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Long and methodical Cleveland Brown's drive gets them in the
end zone. The Steelers get close enough to midfield, Mike
Tomlin sort of botches his timeouts, which we'll get to
that part of it coming out agay, and the Steelers
wind up with a hail Mary at the end that
does not go. This is the big thing about the Steelers,
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and it's masked by their success. And at eight and three,
this season is a success. Anytime you say something bad
about the Steelers, defenders point to the fact, well, they're winning.
What do you want from them? Okay, that's a great point.
But certain teams, what's classified as the success is different,
(24:54):
all right. For the Jets, getting out of the tunnel
and not having your shoes tied together, that's success. Okay.
For the Lions, it's having more touchdowns than incomplete passes.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So there's your two the spector, right, there's your two
ends of the spectrum. What success is for the Steelers
is success playing like this relying on an average running
game and a below average quarterback and a really good defense.
Does that get you to where you need to get to?
It doesn't. And while you can win games in the
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regular season because of this, and I'm just not you know,
this is not something not a strategy that doesn't work
at all. It's a strategy that is questionable because you
don't win at all like this. This is not how
you win game. You don't win super Bowls like this.
You have to have an offense that looks like it's
a little bit dynamic. Tiny is bit dynamic, and the
Steelers aren't. And it's not just that they're not dynamic,
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it's that the Steelers choose this offense. Mike Tomlin chooses
to have this offense. They choose to not have great
skill position players. He has chosen to rely on Naji
Harris and is minus four yards per carry for the
last four years, right, because Naji Harris is just a guy, right,
just a guy. He has chosen to go cheap at
quarterback and say, okay, let's see if we bring in
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fields and Russell Wilson. If this is gonna work, how
do the Steelers not be number one? Destination for a
free agent quarterback. How are you not a number one
destination for a great wide receiver, as great a franchise
as you are, as heritage a team as you are
in the NFL, with a coach that everybody likes, How
is this the offense that you not only put on
the field, but you believe in, You believe in winning
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games like this, and like Tomlin wants to win games
like this. Jay Glazer has told us Tomlin loves winning
these nineteen sixteen, sixteen thirteen games. Yeah, it's fun. If
I was a coach, like, yeah, okay, but that's what's
good to do. More life, you can't. But if you're
looking at at success, if you're the Steelers, it's judged
a little bit differently. And the Steelers have fallen short
(26:52):
a ton because they have chosen let's try to win
games like it's nineteen eighty four with two running backs
that are lume running backs and we just give the
ball to all the time we throw the ball, and
we absolutely have to with a veteran quarterback that I
can trust to not make mistakes. Do you want a
guy that could potentially get out there and make big plays? No? No, no,
don't like that. That makes me too nervous. Justin field
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is not going to play. I trust Russell Wilson more so.
This is my quarterback. How is this the offense that
goes out there? But the bigger question is how is
this something that this is the approved strategy for the Steelers.
They're playing offensive football like it's thirty years ago. And
it was any other coach but Mike Tumblin, we would say,
this guy's got a go man. You can't play like this.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
In the end. The NFL has passed you by.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So we said for Bill Belichick finally, but Mike Tomlin,
I look at the offense and I go okay. Russell
Wilson made a couple of nice passes in the fourth quarter.
You know what, Russell Wilson was awful in the first
three quarters. Yes, his completion percentage was good, but they
didn't move the football. He turned the ball over, he fumblely,
had a bad fumble at.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
How is this an okay strategy and this is the
way we want to play football? It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, but that's the thing, right is you talk about
old school organizations, as we talked about Daniel Jones a
little earlier in the show of the perception and how
they go about doing business.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
And one of the things with the Steelers is steady
as she goes.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You might have a rocky.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Season or two, but for Mike Tomlin, they've never had
a losing season. And for most you know, most of us,
we'd kill to have that level of consistency. Right for
you as a Jets fan, for me as a Bears guy,
and keep on going down the line. This is the
old theory of all right, would you like to be
competitive and know that it probably falls short or suck
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most years, and then have that one run up every fifteen?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Would you rather be the Marlins? Is always the way
it goes and the most apt analogy of how you
run an organization for the Steelers, because you're always technically
in the mix, it's easy to gloss over and people
like the sound bites and look, Mike Tomalin's a good guy.
I've never heard anything to the contrary. And certainly the
way he runs things, accountability, he is big, et cetera.
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All of that to say, you've got stability, why would.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You move from that? But you're you're running in place
in terms of all that. It's around you and the
other teams. So you're gonna be good, but you're never
gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Success is different for every team, and success for the
Steelers should be super Bowl. That was years ago, years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Now it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Now he's put even more of his own stamp on
the team because I'm done with the drama of Roethlisberger
and Antonio.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Brown and Le'Veon Bell.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So now I have guys that, you know what, they
go out, they handle the football and I don't have
to worry about anything off the field. Pickings now they're
not good. Okay, well we've got to have somebody catching passes.
Anybody else say it? He hasn't gotten rid of all
of it. Deontay Johnson kind of wanted that. Guess what,
Deanta Johnson, you're gone. So now he kind of likes
coaching these guys that aren't giving him problems, and guess what,
they're not as good a football team. So okay, you know,
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the bottom line is there's a scoreboard up there for
a reason. Right Your life is a co coach needs
to be around getting the w's on the board and
not Hey, this makes me comfortable as a head coach,
like I'd rather have this and us try to eke
and squeeze wins out than the talent I had because
I was done mentally managing Roethlisberger and Bell and Brown
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and everything that came along with it was done with
those guys. So now you have this and it's the
worst team as a result.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Still up up atop the AFC North with the Ravens
because well, the Bengals can't get out of their own.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Way's find out what's trending right now in the wide
world of sports. With special deliveries, team to Sagarethne, what
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Speaker 5 (30:33):
Mike Tomlins Steelers do fall at Cleveland in the snow
twenty four nineteen, although they didn't have a touchdown Pittsburgh
tonight until under eight minutes to go, and they still
almost pulled this one off. This has happened certainly before,
not scoring a touchdown and winning a game. In fact,
among seventy three coaches all time in the NFL with
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at least ten games without a touchdown in this span,
Mike Tomlin's just about the best in still winning games
without scoring tds. Five different times he has done this well.
They got finally back to back touchdowns in the fourth
quarter to take the lead. Nineteen eighteen, Browns came back
with a Nick Chubb two yard touchdown run with fifty
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seven seconds left for the victory. Chub's second two yard
TV run of the night. Twenty four nineteen Cleveland the final,
A club that was two to eight beats a Steelers
team that was eight to two.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Forty nine.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Ers quarterback Brock Purty only threw at the start of
practice today, so or shoulders still the problem. The team's
still hopeful that he can play San Francisco's at Green
Bay Sunday on Fox TV. In the late game in
the NBA, the Lakers are going to the half with
the lead. It looks like sixty seven sixty is the
halftime score against Orlando. Earlier wins for Toronto and San
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Antonio Charlotte in overtime edge Detroit won twenty three one
twenty one LaMelo Ball thirty five points and nine assists.
To college basketball couple games tonight in the Bahamas first
off Top twenty five matchup, Baylor beats Saint John's on
a three pointer at the buzzer of double overtime Baylor
ninety nine to ninety eighth the final and eleventh ranked
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Tennessee is ahead of Virginia early second half thirty five
to twenty four. Among the NHL games, New Jersey and
Vegas each one, Colorado a two to one winner at
Washington Capitol. Star Alex Ovechkin is expected to miss four
to six weeks with a broken leg. ALMVP Aaron Judge
of the Yankees, it was unanimous NLMVP Shohe Otani of
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the Dodgers, and yes, that was unanimous. In fact, the
folks at stat Sink says this is now three unanimous
MVP awards for Otani in the last four years. No
other player in the four major sports history has more
than one in their entire career unanimously. University of Colorado
football star Travis Hunter said he will declare for next
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April's NFL Draft. Five star quarterback recruit Bryce Underwood commit
to Michigan, flipping from LSU. He's from Belleville, Michigan. Underwood
coutter and millions at Michigan and nil money in his
career there. Four star quarterback Julie and Lewis flipped from
USC to Colorado back to you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Thank you, Steve O.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 4 (33:26):
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Speaker 1 (33:35):
The Jason Smith Show with my bes friend Mike Harmon
Live from the Tirack dot Com Studios. We're gonna have
Jay Glazer coming up in about ten minutes. So now
it's going to a nice long visit with Jay coming
off the Thursday Night game. I think he's hanging out
with Brett Michaels tonight. Is he is?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
He like the new Uber Drivers he displaced Howie Long TJ.
They will be talking dirty to us in about ten minutes.
So then we got jack it, well, come on, that's
come on poison. Come I know tons about Poison. That
was my band.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So I just didn't think you'd pick that, sup. I
didn't think you would have that, sup. So we just
watched the Browns with an upset win over the Steelers
twenty four nineteen, and we gave you the Steelers part
of it over the course of the past few minutes. Now,
just to throw this out there, this is not to
torture Browns fans, but this is to understand that, wow,
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how close to the playoff chase would they be? And
really in the afa are you really that for even
with three wins, are you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That far off?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, that's true, You're not that far off the pace.
How much in the thick of the playoff chase would
the Browns be if they had gone to DeShawn Watson,
if they had gone to Jameis Winston. When you knew
Deshaun Watson was done, when he was beyond any sort
of help, any sort of improvement a quarterback, you saw
that the the energy level that the Browns play with,
(35:00):
the energy level he played with every Sunday was low.
And still they you know, Jimmy Haslam made Kevin Stefanski
trot Deshaun Watson out there, and you had lost, lost,
lost couple of really close games. Bye by week three,
week four, you know, Okay, Deshaun Watson is never getting
it back. He's terrible and it's a sunk cost you
have Jameis Winston. Yes, you have to pay Deshaun Watson.
(35:22):
You do not have to play him. If you went
to if you went to Jameis Winston earlier, they probably
would have a couple more wins. Because you look at
what Jameis Winston now. He is basically through his fourth game,
full game at quarterback for them for the Browns this year,
he has thrown for one thousand yards and seven touchdowns
in seven games this year, Deshaun Watson threw for eleven
(35:45):
hundred yards and five touchdowns. I mean not to make
it just about hey, this many touchdowns, this many, this
many yards passing, but we show you how much more
dynamic Jameis Winston is right to be able to put
this kind of offense out there on a weekly basis.
What is happened since James Winston has took over Cedric Tillman.
Jerry Judy, my goodness, this is to Jerry Judy. We
(36:05):
thought we were gonna get like five years ago. Elijah Moore,
My goodness, this is the Elijah Moore the Jets thought
they were gonna get before they traded him. Like you
have three dangerous receivers who are getting the ball, and
obviously it's not gonna be as much offense tonight because
of the snow, but in Djoko was still a big
weapon like youth. He was back like, this is a
pretty good team. You already have a pretty good defense.
(36:27):
Not quite the defense it was the last couple of years,
but still you're good enough to be five hundred ish
and five and six and you're in a playoff spot.
Like he's like, wow, that's in the Colts. Who thought
that Colts and all kinds of plug quarterback problems, But
that's how close if you had just made the decision,
make a good command decision, which is what you you
get paid all the money of the year to do.
(36:49):
Whether you're Stefanski, whether you are Jimmy Haslam, doesn't matter.
This is where you have to make that tough call
and go, we're just not going to get anything else
from it. And I'm sorry that we paid him, but
how much longer we're gonna have this team get held hostage?
So instead, now you have a lost year where hey,
there's some excitement at least the back half of the year,
But wow, if you had gone to them a month
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ahead of time, you'd have at least two more wins
and you'd be sitting at five and six. And hey,
we're right in the same spot as everybody else. Man,
we're looking at we're looking with a game lead on
other teams, maybe getting into the playoffs. That's where you are.
If you're the Browns who had gone to DeShawn, gone
from DeShawn Watson to Jameis Winston when you should.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Have Yeah, I mean you have those losses. Go back
to against the Giants and against the the Raiders. When
we look at Winston over the last four week, those
are the two ones that stand out the most. Wow,
the Giants, Yeah, pretty touch schedule. Otherwise, Man, you're right,
you're playing an upstart Chargers team that's really finding its
stride a couple of weeks ago. Last week, you get
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blitzed by New Orleans and Taysom Hill, right, I mean
that comes out of nowhere, player of the week kind
of thing, and you have a couple of missfield goals
that make it look a little worse than perhaps was,
as Winston went near to four hundred yards. But three
thirty four, two thirty five, three ninety five, two nineteen,
you're moving the ball six touchdowns, during that stretch. None today,
(38:10):
but he did have one on the ground. All that
to say, yeah, you're in the mix and you're more
cohesive as an offense. And let's face it, then, while
the man has transgressions in his past, we're out whitewashing
away some of the stuff accused on Jameis Winston's history. Uh,
But in that locker room and in Cleveland, he's a
(38:31):
beloved character right now. And how much does that way
when you go out onto a field that you're going
to battle for a guy a little bit more Deshaun Watson,
you're telling me the linemen went like they're playing for
their jobs, without question. But there's a little extra, right,
There's always that extra one or two percent. Oh yeah,
look that guys are going to go to the law.
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And Jerome Ford played, well.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'll give you that extra ten to fifteen percent that
you have, whatever percent you want to throw on it.
But he's a guy that everything he does, you know,
there there's there's cameras and he gives you great quotes
and he's a leader that way, whereas Deshaun Watson was not.
So yeah, perhaps that translates to another winn or two
in the back half of your football season. You're actually
playing for something. I mean it really, it's it's it's
(39:15):
a maddening thing to think about. But just sometimes not
any change is good. But when a change is needed,
you have to make it regardless as to what the
next one would.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
But you have a long enough sample size, right, It's
to your point teaching you the world words sunk, sunk, cost,
sun cough. Very very important here is that you know,
while wall Haslam and Andrew Berry and all those guys, look,
the eggs already on your face, you've been washing it off. Right,
So another bad start, or even if he has one
(39:46):
good start, that's not taking away the two plus years
of misery that you've had with him under center.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He's started the corner. But it's one possession. Calm down,
and that's what they kept looking for, just like that
little glimmer of light as opposed to looking at the
body of work and the lack of availability. All right,
how many times is he out with random injuries? He's
done exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome. Just
think again, things I didn't think i'd say a year ago. Boy,
(40:14):
if you had gone to jameis Winston sooner you'd be
in the playoff hunt. Coming up next, we got Jay
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
A couple of big games still in action right now.
Of course, we'll get to Thursday Night football coming up
in a second, but still four minutes to go in
the first quarter. The Lakers out to a twenty seven
to twenty four lead over Orlando right now. They are
trying to continue this win streak that, oh, by the way,
coincided with you know, let's sit D'Angelo Russell. Oh wait
(01:13):
a minute, we never have to start him again. We're
a much better team. This is fantastic. Make it six
wins in a row for the Lakers to go from
four and four to ten and four, and now win
tonight eleven and four. And I'm telling you the Lakers
are for real, this version of the Lakers for now.
Because it is a long season, you don't know how
(01:33):
Ad and Lebron are going to age responsibility. But right
now this Lakers team is firing on all cylinders. Have
exactly what you wanted. You have a rookie who's come
in that has lit it up in Dalton connect You
have had your support players continuing to play well under
JJ Reddick. This has been exactly what the Lakers hoped
it would be, and they got it by accident, just
(01:54):
because JJ Reddick wanted to bench D'Angelo Russell to send
a message. Now you've said, oh wow, we did that.
Now Lebron's a better point garden and he's setting everybody
up and Ad is our number one option. It's incredible
what we've done just by benching a guy.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No, it works beautifully for now, and again it's a
work in progress. The show is tonight. They've been perfect
at home thus far, looking to extend that. Eventually they
need more work from the bench. They're gonna need to
be able to say, Okay, it's like your Nick or
it's the same thing as your Nicks.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Eventually, eventually there's gotta be a moment.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Where you just say, I have to trust it to
steal Lebron in ad a couple minutes, because otherwise you're
playing with fire.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You're absolutely right. No, look and honestly, right now, I'd
almost rather have the Lakers bench because boy, the mix is,
there's nobody outside of Duce McBride, there's nobody to play.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It can really take minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What do we see last night when it's three minutes
to go and they're up by twenty and the starting
five is still in the game, TIBs, you can put
in Jericho Simms, it's okay, man. You can put in
John Starks. He'll be okay. Hey, the guys go. They'll
bring home a twenty point lead in the final three minutes. No, no, no, no,
these guys are staying the game until there's about seventy
five seconds left and then we'll take them out of
(03:09):
the game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Like come on, man, It's like it was senior Night
the way they played it. All right, last guys, you
haven't played all year, and I'm gonna get the manager
in there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We're gonna put you guys and leave you guys. But
tips we kind of have the game. Ah no, we
just you know how much money all you guys are making.
The highest paid starting five in the history of the game. Yeah,
you guys are gonna keep playing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh by the way, Yeah, for the Lakers, it'll be
interesting though, right, a lot of rumors about adding another
another piece to the to the front line. So curiosity
there when you're gonna get Vanderbilt back. Hachimura hasn't been
in the game yet but is eligible and we'll play
tonight at some point. He'd been missing some time, so
you get a little bit of your rotation back. But
(03:50):
it's just gonna be the curiosity for JJ Reddick of
how much he wants to, you know, keep the pedal
down with his starters.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So again, we'll keep you updated on this game. Making
a thirty four to twenty nine lead Dalton connect now
and he's hit a couple of shots. He's got five member,
he's coming off that thirty seven point game from the
other night.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh row, what is happening right now?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Bro? Right now, TNF. We're at a minute fifty five
left in the game and the Browns are facing a
fourth and two. They are not trying a field goal
because of the driving snow. Hopkins is not on the field.
There is a time out on the field right now
because they were reviewing the previous play for intentional grounding.
(04:33):
Jamis Winston was rushed in the pocket. He looked like
he was gonna lose about twenty yards, but he threw
it away and it was ruled that he threw it
close enough to the line of scrimmage where a player
was where it was an incomplete pass. So now the
Browns are facing a fourth and two from the pit
twenty nine yard line. A little bit too far for
Hopkins as good as he is in this driving snowstorm
(04:54):
to come in. Oh sorry, maybe back to third and seven.
I'm sorry, is a font mistake?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Font Yeah, so atmosphere and ended up being in illegal
touch because he gets hit as he goes to throw
the ball and it falls short and hits alignment in
the gut. Yeah, so illegal touching five yards enforced there,
So third and seven, minute fifty five remaining, and now
the Steelers have called a second time out, maybe just
to figure out all the craziness. Now they Yeah, the
(05:20):
font was fourth and two because we're trying to talk
and do the show at the same time and keep
you updated. So now third and seven from the twenty
nine yard line. Again, this is a long field goal
for Hopkins. Maybe they try it, maybe they don't, but again,
still a play to figure out how it's going here.
Remember he missed two last week, and that was before
the driving snowcake. Remember Jamis was nearly four hundred passing
(05:40):
yards last week and they put fourteen on the board.
So there's two field goals and with a driving storm
that we've got now, remember when.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It started, it was nice and clear, Yeah, threat of
everything and theah they came out for the second half
and suddenly, oh it's snowing. Okay, it's only ten to three,
and boy, this game stinks, but we got snow.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Now we have such second half.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It was like Ed Harris Brayon and said, hey, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Go to work you on second half.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We got points, we had all kinds of stuff, all right,
so we'll keep you updated here again, Browns. We facing
the third and seven again with a little bit less
than two minutes left to go. I'll give you this
bold prediction after today, because this looks like it's the
worst day of the credit, the worst last couple of
days for Giants quarterback Daniel Jones. We knew he was
(06:27):
gonna be done. We knew, We told you weeks ago. Hey,
it'll be week tennis when the Giants bench Daniel Jones
because of the twenty five million dollars they're going to
owe him, because his contract is guaranteed for injury for
next year. It's going to be a big deal. They
will not play him and be on the hook when
they know they're going to replace him because the Giants stink.
Daniel Jones stinks. The only problem with Daniel Jones and
(06:48):
he stinks. Just that one. Here's that one problem, the
one problem. Anything else up, but he stinks. So we
knew that was gonna come, and we got the news
a day ago. That was it. Tommy Cutletz is starting
and you're not gonna see Daniel Jones again. He's the
emergency quarterback. At least maybe he's the four string and
at this point I don't even know if he's gonna
make it to the end of the year with the Giants.
(07:11):
He had a great press conference today. He thanked the
Giants for everything they did for him because he knows
I'm not gonna play again. Thanked them for everything they did.
He was asked about his future, he says, I don't know.
They asked them if he thought he would still be
a Giant at the end of the year. He said,
I don't know. And there's two schools of thought here,
and I'll tell you what the Giants should do. He was, yeah,
I think he was a scout team playing safety today
(07:33):
a little bit. Daniel Jones, I mean, what are you doing?
I mean, I get that that's just embarrassing. He's stupid.
I mean, I'm sure that I'll do it. I'm sure
it was like whatever I need to do.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But like for Gable and everybody else, that's just a
horrible look, petty, and that'll come back.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's not a bad look. It's why if you're worried
about the guy having his contract for injury. And Daniel
Jones even said today that was a big part of
the discussion, was my contract guarantee. But why you haven't
the guy even do anything at practice. What if he
gets If he gets hurt in practice, it's the same
thing as getting hurt in the game. Doesn't matter. You
get hurt in practice, hurting the game, your contracts still guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So the smart thing would be is to say, Okay,
we're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you go.
Here's the money, because the Giants don't save or lose
anything by keeping him on the roster or by letting
him go, right, it doesn't matter. And if the Giants
want to move on and continue to tank, maybe the
memory of the quarterback there is a good is a
bad thing. So you want to get rid of him.
(08:29):
Do you really want him around when you know he's
not gonna play. It's a weird thing, right, So I'm
not saying the Giants, Hey, they're doing something right or
wrong right now with keeping Daniel Jones. Well, well, let's see
how it goes. Let's see what plays out over the
next week or two. Do we keep him? Do we
have to let him go? If he stays and he's
still a positive presence and it's not weird for the team,
and they continue to respond.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Great.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
If it seems like it's too much of a distraction,
the Giants will let him go. But I'll tell you
what the Giants you do, because I'll give you a
Big Bowl prediction. It's gonna sound insane, but it's gonna happen.
He's gonna be the starting quarterback of the Jets and
twenty eight five. Well, he's gonna be the starting quarterback
of some team somewhere in twenty twenty five, and the
Giant should hold on to him and trade him sometime
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during or right after free agency because there's not gonna
be a lot of quarterbacks out there, and this crop
of quarterbacks in the college draft is not great. Hey,
Shoodurse Sanders is great. Yeah, Okay, guess what, He'll go
number one and number two overall. Travis hernermight go number one.
There's gonna be seven or eight teams looking for quarterbacks
this year, at least to have a bridge quarterback to
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somebody else. So if I'm the Giants, what I say is, okay,
i'll make you an active you're still a Giant, and
we're gonna trade you. Would I would hold onto him
through the beginning of March because there's gonna be a
team that's gonna give you something for him. Now, is
it gonna be any more than like a fifth round pick. No,
but you will still get a fifth round pick for
Daniel Jones. You will still find a way to say, hey,
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Daniel Jones is here. You know, we'll get a fifth
round pick for him, and you can allow him to
continue his career somewhere because's good, someone's gonna pick him up.
You let him go, someone's gonna pick him up the
next day. Right because a guy has starting experience in
the NFL, we have seen him succeed to a point,
and someone's gonna pick him up, at least to be
insurance or who knows how things are gonna go for
the rest of the year. So if you let him go,
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someone's gonna get him. I would keep him away from
the team and then trade him because I'm telling you,
somebody's gonna want him. Because if the season ends and
we get in past the bowl season, it's gonna be Wow.
After Shadura Sanders, do we really like Carson Beck that much?
Is Carson Beck really that good? This is not last
year or the year before. This is all like, well,
Caleb Williams and Jade Daniels and bow Nick. I mean,
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we're spoiled by this group of quarterbacks that have come
in that all have great present and futures in the
NFL to think the well, the next four quarterbacks next year, No,
they might not all be good. There's this This is
not a great year for quarterbacks. And Daniel Jones is
gonna be really valuable. I guarantee you he'll be starting.
He could be starting for the Jets. They're not gonna
get anybody in free agency now, then they wind up
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drafting somebody doesn't matter. But Daniel Jones will be starting
somewhere in the NFL next year for some team, at
least as a bridge guy. So if on the Giants,
I hold him and I trade him, because you're gonna
wind up getting a draft pick for him, and that's
a win for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think it comes down to is it an issue
around the team. It doesn't appear, so, I mean from
all reports, big guy in the locker room in terms
of a good teammate, and you saw just the speech
he gave and obviously the montage of photos throughout the
day of him and his little Eli Manning Jersey and
all the way through. A guy who's got to live
the dream. So it doesn't seem like he'll make any ripples.
(11:33):
As you know, we point out, you know, playing scout
team safety more or less a whatever the team needs
kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That bodes well.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Look, he's at worst a backup for another several years,
so to your idea, as long as everybody's cool with
the plan involved, sure you keep him around. But just
remembering that as an organization, the Giants are gonna be
shuffling the deck quite extensively. One might think this all season,
despite all of the the votes of confidence that went
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for Shane and for Dable and everything else, if your
guy Joe Douglas was dead man walking, I don't know
what the equivalent Sean Penn movie is for the guys
on the other side of things there in New Jersey.
But you know, for Daniel Jones, we've seen him succeed
in spots. You can blame a lot of things, the
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roster construction. He just hasn't ascended, hasn't been consistent, hasn't
stayed healthy. All of that continuity you need to step
to another level wasn't there. But yeah, if you can
get a third day pick for him by keeping him around,
and everybody's cool with it, including Jones and his agent,
then sure, but I gotta imagine to some degree they're itching.
This is why they couldn't come to an agreement on
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a buyout, is that they want to make sure they're
made whole. Part of that might also be I want
to get back on a field sooner rather than later,
So maybe there would be a little bit of acrimony.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, you know, and the Giants are a team that
for they've enjoyed that reputation of where a family. We're
always going to do what's right for the player, except
when they you know, bench Eli Manning for Gino Smetch.
You know, so that if Daniel Jones said, hey, listen,
I really want a fresh start. I really want you
to release me. I really want this to happen, the
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Giants might do it for him because they want to
be seen, hey, he asked for They don't want to
be seen to say hey, we're holding on he holding
on to you, and then we're ruining the guy's career.
The Giants like that image of hey, we're a team
that does it better than everybody else. So if he
does that, but I gat do I think Daniel Jones
is going to actually do that because he seems like
a guy like I'm going down with the ship here and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Comes who's advising him? And what are the potential offers
out there? Right in terms of could he go to
another ros So, I mean, how many teams are you know,
one quarterback hit away from all right, we're done. Whereas
they're in competition here in week twelve for the back
end of the wild card and think they can still well,
they may not be able to make some noise you
can sell the fans if we're still competitive. Whereas that
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starter goes down and it's a chasm to number two.
Can Jones come in and pick things up?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right? I don't know, but you like to at least
have that availed to you if you're him. You know,
the more time that goes on, the more I just
think he's gonna be quarterback of the Jets. He's just
gonna change teams in the city. He's gonna come over.
Rogers will retire, Travis, Roger will retire, and he'll be
the bridge to get to Jordan Travis or whoever they
take in the draft and gonna watch Daniel Jones play
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like I feel like I gotta watch now. I know
I'm gonna watch Daniel Jones play for the Jets next year. Yeah,
it's gonna happen. All right, we'll get that photoshopped in
with let's go.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, no, no, we don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We don't have to just say you just spoke into it.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I just know what's
gonna happen. You have to get behind me and say, yes,
I agree, that's what higher in your ring behind it,
and now you've noted forward with it. Exit out about
a Fresca exit swollen dome. The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Carmen from the Tirac dot Com Studios. Steelers on
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the move. With sixteen seconds left to go, they trail
the Browns twenty four to nineteen. Cleveland goes in for
a touchdown. When we speak next, is it an unbelievable
Russell Wilson moonball touchdown that wins the game? Or is
it an embarrassing TNF loss for the Steelers. That's next
right here, Jason to Mike, this is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
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Com Studios? And oh boy, did we have something? Following
the end of the Browns and the Steelers When we
last left you, Brown's out of twenty four to nineteen
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lead over the Steelers. Steelers were driving, they completed a pass,
they were just inside a midfield, so there was time
for one more moon ball. Russell Wilson passed hail Mary
to the end zone and then you'll kind of seen
hail Mary's work a couple of times. Couple of time.
Sure I know that? Well? Was there magic for Russell Wilson?
More importantly, what happened after this play?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Rush three drop abe and a late rush throwing up
for grabs on the end zone?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
How does this one end? Incomplete? Right down to it?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Up?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Al Michael's on Amazon Prime with the call incomplete. Al's
gotta be happy we had snow tonight. You had a
close game in the second half. You had Cleveland upsetting
the Steelers. You had a pretty good night. I mean, al,
I don't think has a lot to complain about. O.
The last couple of weeks, it's been a pretty good run.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, I know this one on the surface, right, thirty
six and a half was the over under Cleveland is clevelanding.
You had the Steelers and all the feel good but
it didn't look like it was shaping up to be
a big game.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And then the snow came and it's like, all right,
and we got something and then talk about something something.
We're trying to make sense of what this was following
the Hail Mary. So Wilson throws the Hail Mary. It
falls incomplete. On the play, George Pickens is not really
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he never tracks the ball. He it's he being guarded
by Greg Newsom good, you go to school, akays, you
gotta give me a chance to where he went to school?
It again, No, everybody knows, now, hell, okay, do it again. Okay,
So final play of the game, George Pickens is you know,
it's irrelevant who's being guarded by George. Petty's to the
back of the end, but he got into play. George
Pickens is being covered by Greg news and where do
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you go to school? Wildcats? Okay, so he's it's like
he never tracks the ball. He's not in the he's
not in the scrum for the ball, and he's kind
of has his arm around Newsom a little bit.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Look, there's a lot of contact happening, honestly, and so
you see the play the ball falls incomplete. The camera
cuts to Steelers players coming onto the field, Browns players
coming on the field congratulate each other, and then the
camera cuts to the back of the end zone where
George Pickens is on the ground and he's all the
way at the stands and it looks like he is
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wrestling or fighting with someone. He's being held back by
two people. And I can't tell if these are two
people who were I mean, they're actually standing on the field,
so I think they probably work for the NFL. They
have blue armbands on, so I assume that means they
have the ability to be on the field. So it's
people who are actually working on the field that are
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holding George Pickens back from someone. Now, maybe it's Newsome,
maybe it's a fan. I don't know, it's hard to tell.
Newsom kind of gets up a little bit at the end,
and then he's being held back. But then there's somebody
else in the stands who reaches out and grabs Pickens,
and Pickens puts his arm out and shoves him.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
There's not a lot of video of this. I'm just
trying to see this over and over on a loop.
But it looks like maybe in the beginning it's a
little bit of something something with Newsome, but then it's
actually Pickens and a fan or somebody else who comes
down to the rail and puts his hand on Pickens,
who find pushes past him. Then Pickens moves away from
the rail and kind of dusts himself off and well
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from the snow, and it ends that fiasco. But that's
how the game ended. George Pickens loose him up against
the railing with each other. Then a fan comes down,
people on the on the field trying to break things up.
This was This is just a crazy way to end.
I don't know there's a way more fitting than it
ending with George Pickens in a potential fight with somebody.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, there's there's a lot that that happened in the
final couple of minutes, right, intentional grounding or not Pickens.
There was another play down the sideline where he gets
he gets interfered with and looks for the call, and
I don't know if it's because the referee can't see
through the snow. He's blinded by the big snowflakes, doesn't
get the call. So he was clearly frustrated, like he
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thought he had a couple of opportunities for big plays,
and this one it's him and Newsom just going through
the back of the end zone. He's got it, you know,
they're basically just wrestling and heading back towards towards the
back wall. And then all of a sudden, that's when
the camera picks it up right because it had gone
to Russell Wilson didn't get the completion. Hey there's the
victorious Jameis Winston. Wait, we got something developing, and by
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then it's already in the breakup mode. So not sure
what was said. Not enough snow necessarily accumulated to where
you would have been, you know, firing snowballs at anybody. No,
but you're close enough to where maybe the wrong invective
got the got the reaction.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, look, I clearly it clearly looks like him and
Newsom got tangled up because you've seen Newsom stand up
with no helmet on. That's him, and you got your
Denzel Ward in there as well.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I got Denzel Washington. So is he's been doing way
too much press. This movie must no, but he's gonna
re know. It's also about he's retiring when he's finishing
all the movies. He's shooting now, that's gonna be and
he says that's it. He's retiring.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He says done, He's gonna be seventy five.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But he's by the time all my movies are done
that I'm shooting now. And on the problem, I'm gonna
be seventy five.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Did he get all advances on that? It's a lot
of money. I think Denzel's doing other I think he's
doing all right. I'm pretty sure he's.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Doing what trade it all for a little more So,
if we want to try to put this narrative together
with Pickens locked up with Newsome and not involved in
the play, all right, so without without seeing after that,
because obviously the camera is on the play itself, I
would assume that that was not something George Pickens was
a big fan of. Uh, not a big fan of
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losing the game right there and getting locked up with
a dB. I bet you their physicality took themselves into
the railing because obviously it's harder to stop with the snow,
and there was some kind of skirmish going on because
when Pickens' stands up and a couple of people media
from the media go to grab him. A couple of
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seconds after, you see Newsom stand up with no helmet
and and kind of walk away, and that's when the
thin or whoever is in the stands puts his arm
on Pickens, and Pickens pushes shoves that person away and
then is pulled away from the situation, and then it
looks like he is fine and he walks away from everything.
Now Harmon has just somehow found the end of the
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game video, and certainly that's what it looks like. They
both take each other into the railing. Right after it's over,
a referee goes running over like he wants to break
it up. So I'm telling you that's probably what happened.
It looks like, Wow, it looks like they run into
a member of the media who has a camera. It
looks like they're they're dust up between the two of
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them and there's a guy on a knee who is
shooting the game and they run into him. And maybe
that's how the members of the media got involved. I'm
like a detective right now. Yeah, we're trying to enjo Batman.
The world is detective Batman.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm Batman.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, I just have to say that, well because I
have I celebrate all's not paying attention. He's selling Pokemon
cards online. Uh, I mean so, if so, I'm pretty
sure that that's the narrative that what happened right there.
So the last couple, you figured that out with us
right now that.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
They get into it, yes, and they're going towards the bed,
and then it becomes a question of you know, the
physicality there and and you know some immediately saying well,
it's it's pickings throwing throwing his hands at Newsome. But
the route on that play is is just insane though,
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right because he's not actually looking for the ball at
any moment, right, He's just grabbing Newsome and taking him out.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
The back of the end zone. And it's a long
line into that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Crazy. Uh So again, we'll have more on this, I
am sure.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
In the post game of George Pickens. Steelers lose a
game that they had trailed eighteen to six, and then
in a flash, with a couple of turnovers and some
big plays, they take a nineteen eighteen lead.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Then a very.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Long and methodical Cleveland Brown's drive gets them in the
end zone. The Steelers get close enough to midfield, Mike
Tomlin sort of botches his timeouts, which we'll get to
that part of it coming out agay, and the Steelers
wind up with a hail Mary at the end that
does not go. This is the big thing about the Steelers,
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and it's masked by their success. And at eight and three,
this season is a success. Anytime you say something bad
about the Steelers, defenders point to the fact, well, they're winning.
What do you want from them? Okay, that's a great point.
But certain teams, what's classified as the success is different,
(24:54):
all right. For the Jets, getting out of the tunnel
and not having your shoes tied together, that's success. Okay.
For the Lions, it's having more touchdowns than incomplete passes.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So there's your two the spector, right, there's your two
ends of the spectrum. What success is for the Steelers
is success playing like this relying on an average running
game and a below average quarterback and a really good defense.
Does that get you to where you need to get to?
It doesn't. And while you can win games in the
(25:27):
regular season because of this, and I'm just not you know,
this is not something not a strategy that doesn't work
at all. It's a strategy that is questionable because you
don't win at all like this. This is not how
you win game. You don't win super Bowls like this.
You have to have an offense that looks like it's
a little bit dynamic. Tiny is bit dynamic, and the
Steelers aren't. And it's not just that they're not dynamic,
(25:50):
it's that the Steelers choose this offense. Mike Tomlin chooses
to have this offense. They choose to not have great
skill position players. He has chosen to rely on Naji
Harris and is minus four yards per carry for the
last four years, right, because Naji Harris is just a guy, right,
just a guy. He has chosen to go cheap at
quarterback and say, okay, let's see if we bring in
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fields and Russell Wilson. If this is gonna work, how
do the Steelers not be number one? Destination for a
free agent quarterback. How are you not a number one
destination for a great wide receiver, as great a franchise
as you are, as heritage a team as you are
in the NFL, with a coach that everybody likes, How
is this the offense that you not only put on
the field, but you believe in, You believe in winning
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games like this, and like Tomlin wants to win games
like this. Jay Glazer has told us Tomlin loves winning
these nineteen sixteen, sixteen thirteen games. Yeah, it's fun. If
I was a coach, like, yeah, okay, but that's what's
good to do. More life, you can't. But if you're
looking at at success, if you're the Steelers, it's judged
a little bit differently. And the Steelers have fallen short
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a ton because they have chosen let's try to win
games like it's nineteen eighty four with two running backs
that are lume running backs and we just give the
ball to all the time we throw the ball, and
we absolutely have to with a veteran quarterback that I
can trust to not make mistakes. Do you want a
guy that could potentially get out there and make big plays? No? No, no,
don't like that. That makes me too nervous. Justin field
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is not going to play. I trust Russell Wilson more so.
This is my quarterback. How is this the offense that
goes out there? But the bigger question is how is
this something that this is the approved strategy for the Steelers.
They're playing offensive football like it's thirty years ago. And
it was any other coach but Mike Tumblin, we would say,
this guy's got a go man. You can't play like this.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
In the end. The NFL has passed you by.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So we said for Bill Belichick finally, but Mike Tomlin,
I look at the offense and I go okay. Russell
Wilson made a couple of nice passes in the fourth quarter.
You know what, Russell Wilson was awful in the first
three quarters. Yes, his completion percentage was good, but they
didn't move the football. He turned the ball over, he fumblely,
had a bad fumble at.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
How is this an okay strategy and this is the
way we want to play football? It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, but that's the thing, right is you talk about
old school organizations, as we talked about Daniel Jones a
little earlier in the show of the perception and how
they go about doing business.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
And one of the things with the Steelers is steady
as she goes.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You might have a rocky.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Season or two, but for Mike Tomlin, they've never had
a losing season. And for most you know, most of us,
we'd kill to have that level of consistency. Right for
you as a Jets fan, for me as a Bears guy,
and keep on going down the line. This is the
old theory of all right, would you like to be
competitive and know that it probably falls short or suck
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most years, and then have that one run up every fifteen?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Would you rather be the Marlins? Is always the way
it goes and the most apt analogy of how you
run an organization for the Steelers, because you're always technically
in the mix, it's easy to gloss over and people
like the sound bites and look, Mike Tomalin's a good guy.
I've never heard anything to the contrary. And certainly the
way he runs things, accountability, he is big, et cetera.
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All of that to say, you've got stability, why would.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You move from that? But you're you're running in place
in terms of all that. It's around you and the
other teams. So you're gonna be good, but you're never
gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Success is different for every team, and success for the
Steelers should be super Bowl. That was years ago, years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Now it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Now he's put even more of his own stamp on
the team because I'm done with the drama of Roethlisberger
and Antonio.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Brown and Le'Veon Bell.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So now I have guys that, you know what, they
go out, they handle the football and I don't have
to worry about anything off the field. Pickings now they're
not good. Okay, well we've got to have somebody catching passes.
Anybody else say it? He hasn't gotten rid of all
of it. Deontay Johnson kind of wanted that. Guess what,
Deanta Johnson, you're gone. So now he kind of likes
coaching these guys that aren't giving him problems, and guess what,
they're not as good a football team. So okay, you know,
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the bottom line is there's a scoreboard up there for
a reason. Right Your life is a co coach needs
to be around getting the w's on the board and
not Hey, this makes me comfortable as a head coach,
like I'd rather have this and us try to eke
and squeeze wins out than the talent I had because
I was done mentally managing Roethlisberger and Bell and Brown
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and everything that came along with it was done with
those guys. So now you have this and it's the
worst team as a result.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Still up up atop the AFC North with the Ravens
because well, the Bengals can't get out of their own.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Way's find out what's trending right now in the wide
world of sports. With special deliveries, team to Sagarethne, what
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Speaker 5 (30:33):
Mike Tomlins Steelers do fall at Cleveland in the snow
twenty four nineteen, although they didn't have a touchdown Pittsburgh
tonight until under eight minutes to go, and they still
almost pulled this one off. This has happened certainly before,
not scoring a touchdown and winning a game. In fact,
among seventy three coaches all time in the NFL with
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at least ten games without a touchdown in this span,
Mike Tomlin's just about the best in still winning games
without scoring tds. Five different times he has done this well.
They got finally back to back touchdowns in the fourth
quarter to take the lead. Nineteen eighteen, Browns came back
with a Nick Chubb two yard touchdown run with fifty
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seven seconds left for the victory. Chub's second two yard
TV run of the night. Twenty four nineteen Cleveland the final,
A club that was two to eight beats a Steelers
team that was eight to two.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Forty nine.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Ers quarterback Brock Purty only threw at the start of
practice today, so or shoulders still the problem. The team's
still hopeful that he can play San Francisco's at Green
Bay Sunday on Fox TV. In the late game in
the NBA, the Lakers are going to the half with
the lead. It looks like sixty seven sixty is the
halftime score against Orlando. Earlier wins for Toronto and San
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Antonio Charlotte in overtime edge Detroit won twenty three one
twenty one LaMelo Ball thirty five points and nine assists.
To college basketball couple games tonight in the Bahamas first
off Top twenty five matchup, Baylor beats Saint John's on
a three pointer at the buzzer of double overtime Baylor
ninety nine to ninety eighth the final and eleventh ranked
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Tennessee is ahead of Virginia early second half thirty five
to twenty four. Among the NHL games, New Jersey and
Vegas each one, Colorado a two to one winner at
Washington Capitol. Star Alex Ovechkin is expected to miss four
to six weeks with a broken leg. ALMVP Aaron Judge
of the Yankees, it was unanimous NLMVP Shohe Otani of
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the Dodgers, and yes, that was unanimous. In fact, the
folks at stat Sink says this is now three unanimous
MVP awards for Otani in the last four years. No
other player in the four major sports history has more
than one in their entire career unanimously. University of Colorado
football star Travis Hunter said he will declare for next
(32:55):
April's NFL Draft. Five star quarterback recruit Bryce Underwood commit
to Michigan, flipping from LSU. He's from Belleville, Michigan. Underwood
coutter and millions at Michigan and nil money in his
career there. Four star quarterback Julie and Lewis flipped from
USC to Colorado back to you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Thank you, Steve O.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
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Speaker 1 (33:35):
The Jason Smith Show with my bes friend Mike Harmon
Live from the Tirack dot Com Studios. We're gonna have
Jay Glazer coming up in about ten minutes. So now
it's going to a nice long visit with Jay coming
off the Thursday Night game. I think he's hanging out
with Brett Michaels tonight. Is he is?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
He like the new Uber Drivers he displaced Howie Long TJ.
They will be talking dirty to us in about ten minutes.
So then we got jack it, well, come on, that's
come on poison. Come I know tons about Poison. That
was my band.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So I just didn't think you'd pick that, sup. I
didn't think you would have that, sup. So we just
watched the Browns with an upset win over the Steelers
twenty four nineteen, and we gave you the Steelers part
of it over the course of the past few minutes. Now,
just to throw this out there, this is not to
torture Browns fans, but this is to understand that, wow,
(34:33):
how close to the playoff chase would they be? And
really in the afa are you really that for even
with three wins, are you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That far off?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, that's true, You're not that far off the pace.
How much in the thick of the playoff chase would
the Browns be if they had gone to DeShawn Watson,
if they had gone to Jameis Winston. When you knew
Deshaun Watson was done, when he was beyond any sort
of help, any sort of improvement a quarterback, you saw
that the the energy level that the Browns play with,
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the energy level he played with every Sunday was low.
And still they you know, Jimmy Haslam made Kevin Stefanski
trot Deshaun Watson out there, and you had lost, lost,
lost couple of really close games. Bye by week three,
week four, you know, Okay, Deshaun Watson is never getting
it back. He's terrible and it's a sunk cost you
have Jameis Winston. Yes, you have to pay Deshaun Watson.
(35:22):
You do not have to play him. If you went
to if you went to Jameis Winston earlier, they probably
would have a couple more wins. Because you look at
what Jameis Winston now. He is basically through his fourth game,
full game at quarterback for them for the Browns this year,
he has thrown for one thousand yards and seven touchdowns
in seven games this year, Deshaun Watson threw for eleven
(35:45):
hundred yards and five touchdowns. I mean not to make
it just about hey, this many touchdowns, this many, this
many yards passing, but we show you how much more
dynamic Jameis Winston is right to be able to put
this kind of offense out there on a weekly basis.
What is happened since James Winston has took over Cedric Tillman.
Jerry Judy, my goodness, this is to Jerry Judy. We
(36:05):
thought we were gonna get like five years ago. Elijah Moore,
My goodness, this is the Elijah Moore the Jets thought
they were gonna get before they traded him. Like you
have three dangerous receivers who are getting the ball, and
obviously it's not gonna be as much offense tonight because
of the snow, but in Djoko was still a big
weapon like youth. He was back like, this is a
pretty good team. You already have a pretty good defense.
(36:27):
Not quite the defense it was the last couple of years,
but still you're good enough to be five hundred ish
and five and six and you're in a playoff spot.
Like he's like, wow, that's in the Colts. Who thought
that Colts and all kinds of plug quarterback problems, But
that's how close if you had just made the decision,
make a good command decision, which is what you you
get paid all the money of the year to do.
(36:49):
Whether you're Stefanski, whether you are Jimmy Haslam, doesn't matter.
This is where you have to make that tough call
and go, we're just not going to get anything else
from it. And I'm sorry that we paid him, but
how much longer we're gonna have this team get held hostage?
So instead, now you have a lost year where hey,
there's some excitement at least the back half of the year,
But wow, if you had gone to them a month
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ahead of time, you'd have at least two more wins
and you'd be sitting at five and six. And hey,
we're right in the same spot as everybody else. Man,
we're looking at we're looking with a game lead on
other teams, maybe getting into the playoffs. That's where you are.
If you're the Browns who had gone to DeShawn, gone
from DeShawn Watson to Jameis Winston when you should.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Have Yeah, I mean you have those losses. Go back
to against the Giants and against the the Raiders. When
we look at Winston over the last four week, those
are the two ones that stand out the most. Wow,
the Giants, Yeah, pretty touch schedule. Otherwise, Man, you're right,
you're playing an upstart Chargers team that's really finding its
stride a couple of weeks ago. Last week, you get
(37:46):
blitzed by New Orleans and Taysom Hill, right, I mean
that comes out of nowhere, player of the week kind
of thing, and you have a couple of missfield goals
that make it look a little worse than perhaps was,
as Winston went near to four hundred yards. But three
thirty four, two thirty five, three ninety five, two nineteen,
you're moving the ball six touchdowns, during that stretch. None today,
(38:10):
but he did have one on the ground. All that
to say, yeah, you're in the mix and you're more
cohesive as an offense. And let's face it, then, while
the man has transgressions in his past, we're out whitewashing
away some of the stuff accused on Jameis Winston's history. Uh,
But in that locker room and in Cleveland, he's a
(38:31):
beloved character right now. And how much does that way
when you go out onto a field that you're going
to battle for a guy a little bit more Deshaun Watson,
you're telling me the linemen went like they're playing for
their jobs, without question. But there's a little extra, right,
There's always that extra one or two percent. Oh yeah,
look that guys are going to go to the law.
(38:51):
And Jerome Ford played, well.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I'll give you that extra ten to fifteen percent that
you have, whatever percent you want to throw on it.
But he's a guy that everything he does, you know,
there there's there's cameras and he gives you great quotes
and he's a leader that way, whereas Deshaun Watson was not.
So yeah, perhaps that translates to another winn or two
in the back half of your football season. You're actually
playing for something. I mean it really, it's it's it's
(39:15):
a maddening thing to think about. But just sometimes not
any change is good. But when a change is needed,
you have to make it regardless as to what the
next one would.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
But you have a long enough sample size, right, It's
to your point teaching you the world words sunk, sunk, cost,
sun cough. Very very important here is that you know,
while wall Haslam and Andrew Berry and all those guys, look,
the eggs already on your face, you've been washing it off. Right,
So another bad start, or even if he has one
(39:46):
good start, that's not taking away the two plus years
of misery that you've had with him under center.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He's started the corner. But it's one possession. Calm down,
and that's what they kept looking for, just like that
little glimmer of light as opposed to looking at the
body of work and the lack of availability. All right,
how many times is he out with random injuries? He's
done exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome. Just
think again, things I didn't think i'd say a year ago. Boy,
(40:14):
if you had gone to jameis Winston sooner you'd be
in the playoff hunt. Coming up next, we got Jay
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